I can't believe the contract stipulated that if he left, they'd have to pay back money to the record label. What kind of A&R incentive is that? That's a dreadful contract, that is; labels take a risk, surely. The Roses got fucked over on their contracts as well, I think someone needs to do due diligence on Squire's contracts.
Aw what a nice bloke. Came across as genuinely straightforward & honest too. Makes me wonder if John (Squire) is a control freak with The Stone Roses as well. That would explain why only 2 new stuffs were released over their 5 yr reunion. I wonder how Squire's control freakiery goes down with my favourite "best drummer of his generation" multi-talented Reni! Or maybe John trusts/trusted his judgement! But I do remember in the Made of Stone documentary that Ian Brown & John Squire try telling Reni how to play a reworking of a song, and he just makes a joke then gets up and goes for a break! I also remember Mani said John tried to tell him exactly what bass line to play at one point - maybe that was during John's cocaine years when his ego may have overtaken him. To be fair to John tho, I can kind of understand that when you're an artist/musician, you have an idea in your head of just how you want it done, but on the other hand people aren't machines (is this maybe why he started playing with drum machines & drum loops instead of Reni I wonder). I just think you have to treat fellow artists/musicians/humans with respect, and I'd say listen to everyone's ideas and decide as a group what's best as they all end up having to play it for yrs to come! Well, decades later in respect of the (excellent) Roses! I hope we do eventually get to find out why the Roses seem to not be able to make the promised final album... Oops I seem to have gone on way too long and turned it all into being about The Stone Roses! I'm a bit obessed with them at the moment, wondering what went wrong, and why Ian Brown has returned to his solo career and given up on The Roses. I must admit, I don't remember too much of The Seahorses at the time, but I was interested to hear what Chris Helme had to say and am now keen to listen to his back catalogue. So thanks for this! Sorry I've waffled on everyone!
When you're the one writing the music, you have every right to tell your fellow musicians how to play your song. The third Roses album didn't get released because John wouldn't write for them. It seems Chris Helme can't go a day without hearing the name John Squire either!
it was just a quick pay day for them. I love there music an squire is a quality guitarist but ian brown live sounds fuckin awful that's why I would never pay to see him sing...
Contrary to popular misbelief, there are less and less guitar parts on each of John's albums. The most being on TSR, much less on SC, slightly less on DIY, even less on TCE, and even less than that on MH.
saw u live at the "studio" in sthlm back in 97. or 99 ... if u bad mouth the Roses ill fuck up the .... And im an Rs fan . Remembering Squire was betwwen heroin and dead , but man he fucking killed it on the gibson:-)
This is like how Johnny Marr left The Smiths...because of Morrissey’s music direction & “1” song...”Work Is A Four Letter Word”. Here...John Squire’s music direction and “1” song...”Tombraid”(me thinks).
Yea but to be fair Seahorses were a great band and Chris was a good frontman, solid voice and songs like Blinded by the Sun are well written. They just came out couple years too late as the britpop scene was on its way out and they were not arty or emotionally intelligent enough to compete with The Verve or Radiohead. They were strictly from the catchy pop tune era of Oasis, Manics, blur etc. The album tho Do it yourself has stood the test of time and has an interesting mystique about it. Love is the law. ✌️
Saw Chris when Seahorses played 1st Ave in Minneapolis, Minnesota, it was great gig!!
He comes across really, really well here. He seems a lovely guy.
Chris Helme is such a nice person. Love how at the end he says he likes to do songs that have meaning to them.
Loved this. Thanks
Played a festival in Scotland with him. Nice chap.
I can't believe the contract stipulated that if he left, they'd have to pay back money to the record label. What kind of A&R incentive is that? That's a dreadful contract, that is; labels take a risk, surely. The Roses got fucked over on their contracts as well, I think someone needs to do due diligence on Squire's contracts.
Is that pic not James Hargreaves
Aw what a nice bloke. Came across as genuinely straightforward & honest too. Makes me wonder if John (Squire) is a control freak with The Stone Roses as well. That would explain why only 2 new stuffs were released over their 5 yr reunion. I wonder how Squire's control freakiery goes down with my favourite "best drummer of his generation" multi-talented Reni! Or maybe John trusts/trusted his judgement! But I do remember in the Made of Stone documentary that Ian Brown & John Squire try telling Reni how to play a reworking of a song, and he just makes a joke then gets up and goes for a break! I also remember Mani said John tried to tell him exactly what bass line to play at one point - maybe that was during John's cocaine years when his ego may have overtaken him. To be fair to John tho, I can kind of understand that when you're an artist/musician, you have an idea in your head of just how you want it done, but on the other hand people aren't machines (is this maybe why he started playing with drum machines & drum loops instead of Reni I wonder). I just think you have to treat fellow artists/musicians/humans with respect, and I'd say listen to everyone's ideas and decide as a group what's best as they all end up having to play it for yrs to come! Well, decades later in respect of the (excellent) Roses! I hope we do eventually get to find out why the Roses seem to not be able to make the promised final album... Oops I seem to have gone on way too long and turned it all into being about The Stone Roses! I'm a bit obessed with them at the moment, wondering what went wrong, and why Ian Brown has returned to his solo career and given up on The Roses. I must admit, I don't remember too much of The Seahorses at the time, but I was interested to hear what Chris Helme had to say and am now keen to listen to his back catalogue. So thanks for this! Sorry I've waffled on everyone!
When you're the one writing the music, you have every right to tell your fellow musicians how to play your song. The third Roses album didn't get released because John wouldn't write for them. It seems Chris Helme can't go a day without hearing the name John Squire either!
How do you know that j
Apology accepted
cocaine years ???? you mean smokin shit loads of Crack...
it was just a quick pay day for them. I love there music an squire is a quality guitarist but ian brown live sounds fuckin awful that's why I would never pay to see him sing...
Good lad!
Contrary to popular misbelief, there are less and less guitar parts on each of John's albums. The most being on TSR, much less on SC, slightly less on DIY, even less on TCE, and even less than that on MH.
Bloody nice bloke
saw u live at the "studio" in sthlm back in 97. or 99 ... if u bad mouth the Roses ill fuck up the .... And im an Rs fan . Remembering Squire was betwwen heroin and dead , but man he fucking killed it on the gibson:-)
This is like how Johnny Marr left The Smiths...because of Morrissey’s music direction & “1” song...”Work Is A Four Letter Word”. Here...John Squire’s music direction and “1” song...”Tombraid”(me thinks).
James Hargreaves' long lost cousin? 😂
He can call Squire all he likes but no one would've known who he was if he wasn't in the seahorses. Who knew genius' were difficult?
Squire wasn't a genius. He was overrated AF. He wasn't even that good a guitarist. Just noodly.
@@VVVY777 Mmmm 🤔🤔
@@VVVY777 tbh he is a very good guitarist. I would say there’s no dispute to that
Yea but to be fair Seahorses were a great band and Chris was a good frontman, solid voice and songs like Blinded by the Sun are well written. They just came out couple years too late as the britpop scene was on its way out and they were not arty or emotionally intelligent enough to compete with The Verve or Radiohead. They were strictly from the catchy pop tune era of Oasis, Manics, blur etc. The album tho Do it yourself has stood the test of time and has an interesting mystique about it. Love is the law. ✌️
@megadave1197 Lol Manic Street Preachers were more than just a catchy band. They were incredibly intelligent