I recall the whole reason they made overwatch 2 was for the PVE aspect and many of my friends flat out quit playing when they made OW2 with no plans for PVE because they felt blatantly lied to.
Before the plans "changed" (*cough* blizzard lied *cough*), I called PvE down to the price point of $15 for like 3 missions of content. I just remember laughing my ass off when they announced it.
@@sublimetoast1441 its been basically confirmed since ow2 launched though. anyone with half a braincell couldve put two and two together n realised pve aint happening.
@@wealthybone2990because those people can get better paying jobs with less hours and a better office culture in the same industry. Blizzard doesn’t deserve its best employees because it treats them like shit.
Milk Drinkers made the best content Blizzard has ever had. There are no Milk Drinkers left. No one is deserved at that company now. No one should be wanted.
I'll do you one better, the whole reason for the engine upgrade for overwatch 2 was so they could make pve content. All the overwatch 2 default skins are because the game's timeline moved ahead... Which was supposed to be for the pve...
Yeah, but with Ram especially.... You can't really move his plot line without PvE. He's now stuck forever in plot limbo. Whole world is, really. Also, why do we have so many characters that doesn't belong anywhere really? What exactly Kiriko, Iliari, Lightweaver and Venture are doing here? Every other character is connected to Talon or Overwatch in some way, but those four. I know Lightweaver was a roommate with Sym, and Kiriko grew up with Hanzo and Genji, but why are they here now? Plot is stuck and so we are not getting new characters that can join the plot as it goes, they just appear here
@bobtehdinosaur or that a legacy at an ivy league school got a degree that they didn't earn or deserve. Just got handed a Diploma cuz daddy is rich and went there before them. BTW Bobby Kotick is a college dropout.
Arcane season 1 was so popular, of course they will want a season 2. And in league, a champion will get buffed before they get a skin so more people play them, then later they get nerfed again after the skin sales. Riot games is greedy af
@@staotheduck4853 if it was just arcane, look at cyberpunk, fallout, last of us... truth is overwatch lore is all over the place and full of plotholes written by a bunch of clowns so they can't write shit without retconning a bunch of things
I never understood why people say PvE never mattered. The devs for years have been trying to find a way to make the game more casual and "accessible" so the best way to do it is make a PVE gamemode where anyone could play and then that gets casual players to try PVP when they feel like it. It is literally the only way to achieve their practically impossible goal without jeopardizing the integrity of the game
The vast majority of players was excited about the PvE announcements. It's just a loud minority of dumbasses that claimed nobody cared about it, just because they didn't.
I don't understand how so many people overlook this when discussing 6v6 vs 5v5. The reason why 6v6 fell to crap was because they were spending ALL their time in PVE and OW2 from late 2019-2022. No duh 6v6 wasn't working CAUSE IT WASN'T BEING WORKED ON
Not to mention all of 6v6 problems were purely a balance issue that always could have just been tweaked. 5v5 has problems in its very foundation, 1 role will always dominate leaving the other 2 miserable. When supports are OP, tanks are unkillable and tank/dps players are upset. DPS op, Tanks get burst down too fast and supports die, they're miserable. Now all these tank changes seem amazing for tank players... But it seems like now they're going to just revert back to being unkillable cause they're too bulky, meaning that DPS are basically there just to apply a 20% anti-heal . I still have 0 clue which idiot had the idea of role passives, each character plays too differently for them to all get the same passive. Ball needs to be countered by CC, because if he isn't then he's going to be absurdly obnoxious to deal with (same with other dive heroes). Rein by comparison needs the CC reduction otherwise he cannot get into fights at all without the enemy misplaying. You can't just give every tank the exact same stats via a passive and expect that to solve the problems, it just shifts them onto other players. Dps passive, pharah and tracer apply the debuff very differently with characters like tracer having more consistent damage output and therefore more consistent debuffing. It does not work. I'm not saying a sudden change to 6v6 will magically solve all the issues, but balance across the board never felt THIS bad for THIS long that I can remember from 6v6. The worst comps were goats and double barrier, and goats isn't even possible anymore, and double barrier only works with old orisa + sigma so that's not possible either. Get rid of role passives altogether and just go back to the old balance method, cause with all the faults of 6v6, 5v5 has had all the same ones and more (even more steamroll heavy, tank is miserable to play because its too much stress onto one player, the roles are horrendously unbalanced in relation to one another, queue times are still miserable so that issue never really got "fixed" like they wanted did it, and above all else the balance has been dreadful since day 1 despite it being "easier to balance" as people said). At LEAST give us 6v6 as a game mode, hell I'm fine if it overrides open queue entirely.
I swear they fixed like most of the problems with 6v6 in OW2, they didn't need to go to 5v5 at all. Just dump the Orisa rework and the CC nerfs into 6v6 and do smth about Sigma, Bap and Brig (and never release Kiriko) and we would have been fine.
@@darcidious99people like tank a lot more in open queue so I think all the players are just people who miss 6v6 and double tanks. So in a way, I don't think most people would miss getting rid of open queue for 6v6
@@avaluggglazer445 I highly doubt it, cooldown based shield, only lasts so long when placed, and tbh all shields in ow2 suck, but rammatra also can't recall his shield and let it regen like rein/sigma. If you want a barrier tank, he's probably your worst option. I mean you COULD run it, I just don't know why you would when odds are you want ram to get in and punch, so you'd probably want zarya/dva with him to keep him safe. Like ram/sigma could maybe work, but it's cause sigma would protect ram while he's punching, not stacking up barriers really so I wouldn't say it'd be a double shield problem. Maybe im wrong though
The problem was the fact that the PvE they released was all just the same thing as the old events. It wasnt story mode, there was no passion, and evidently the funding wasnt pointed in the right directions since they didnt think it was profitable. Its sad because if they invested in some new game mechanics and actually let the people who enjoyed the story do their thing when creating it OW 2's PvE could have been so perfect.
I don’t think the balance will kill this game, the problem is that even entry level skill for alternative games are so starkly different from overwatch that it’d take a copy like paladins or a more adult Plants Vs Zombies to stomp out overwatch and that’ll never happen.
Who’s gonna tell him that “people coming back to work in the office” does not mean rehire the same employees, but that the currently existing incompetent employees will have to work from the office now? Which is in general bad because production and mental health of developers were higher when they could work from home
same. QP im waiting 4-8mins to get an extremely unbalanced game, or comp i get 15-25min queue because "wide-group" ruined playing with my friends that i had no issue w/ before. matchmaking was never this bad in 1.0 when they had no drive to sell MTX. I wouldn't be surprised if they used EOMM, which could be the cause of matchmaking times being drawn out more. psychological manipulation is a huge part of selling stuff in f2p games, a lot of people don't see it like that though, sadly.
@@soviexethe wide group thing and always being paired against 2/3/4 stacks if you're in a 2/3/4 stack has raised queue times to absurd levels. Honestly if somebody is fine with these changes then they can't complain "6v6 raised queue times too much" because wide queue has increased them even more.
I would just email the boss the same picture and apologize for working from home. Personally I would hate to try to drive through a blizzard. Then when I'm fired for the absolutely lowest quality pun I'll probably be a janitor at the local high school
I always hear people say that they make good content for each season. How? They literally only add cosmetics, other games add new game modes, playable characters and more as well as the skins. Not trying to hate, I just don’t understand why people say this. I’m willing to be proven wrong
We get a new map and new character alternativing every season and every season comes with ltm event game modes to play. This season is mirrorwatch for example.
Blizzard after repeatedly abusing and shitting on their employees while their managers sexually harass and assault their employees, allegedly resulting in the suicide of one of their employees
Pve was literally the fucking point of ow2, if you cant balance the game then you need to deliver on other promises be they just didn't so now the balance is areguably worse than ever and there is nothing big coming that people are actually excited for
Flats sarcastically "all of us saying pvp was cancelled were wrong, right" Yet flats was constantly saying "PVE is coming. It was seperated from 5v5 blah blah calm down guys"
For me it wasn't PvE alone that "killed" ow2. As stupid as it sounds, it was when they added in character ages and birthdays, because oh no pve, well at least they can still expand on the lore in other ways. Then they did the birthdays, and it just 100% proved that there is no consistent lore or canon because they don't care a single bit whatsoever. I loved Junkrat and Roadhog, but knowing at any point they can just pull a kiriko and completely bastardize their backstories is when I realized there's 0 reason to care about the characters or the world anymore, and the game has been miserable pretty much since day 1. Until something big changes, there is literally 0 reason for me, a casual player, to play anymore.
I think it’s crazy that people trip about having to leave their house to go to work. I get it you could work from home but like nobody actually works as hard as they would in a building with peers and people managing them.
Statistically speaking: people who've worked qt home have shown to produce higher quality work while enabling them to live anywhere. Being able to work at home also provides a less stressful setting, enabling a quicker workflow.
@@Wo00064 I work in development. What he said IS true. Devs working from home produce higher quality content, sometimes it feels like you cant get anything done in the office but then get all the ideas when you enter the comfort of your own home. That's why a vast majority of dev companies, the ones that didnt already have this flexible work ideology, switched to hybrid after covid. Because it proved it worked better.
Delusional take, balance isn't bad, its not like they have added a character with infinite stealth on a passive that can 100 to zero you in about a second or less, with a poision that can kill you after you outplay her, and a 5 second teleport that initiates their stealth, with an ultimate that does damage in a massive aoe and locks people's abilities for 3 seconds and can deny not 2 but 2 megas from the enemy team with a silence on a 4 second or so cooldown that effects people almost instantly, I think this games balance is perfect
You almost had me there for a second. Don't forget the horse. Best tank pretty much sense the game launched, while ball and rein are sitting in the corner desperately looking to play too... And then they make rein unable to firestrike through a fucking flower just to make him that tiny bit worse. I don't blame the devs for the decision to scrap PvE because that's out of their control, but I do know at least one dev is in charge of these horrible decisions that make the game anti-fun garbage.
@@darcidious99 The devs didnt scrap PvE. Management did. You're blaming the wrong team for the wrong reasons. The dev team is just doing whatever management tells them. The devs are actually quite awesome people.
@@darcidious99 oh that's crazy, I almost thought you said that they gave the cc immune dash to the tank busting double bastion lifesteal tank with a big heart, and not the guy in the full durable rocket armor that can almost never take space because of how easy it is to cancel his dash on the right hero, I may be dyslexic
@@D_Quinn I quite literally, in the comment, said "I don't blame devs for the decision to scrap PVE"... Because I know that's a higher up issue and not a dev issue unlike some of the casual audience who think its all aaron keller's fault. That being said though, balance decisions should be being done by at least one of them, and whoever it is... I just wanna talk
@@dreamsmith3965 its so fucking stupid dude I hate that shit. Like I think ball getting full CC immunity is too far since his entire kit revolves around being annoying and high mobility, he needs to be punishable via CC otherwise he's going to just be obnoxious. Rein has one ability to get into fights, and it's virtually worthless. Not only is pin still extremely unreliable, but suzu I can only imagine saves teammates pinned by him, and CC just stops or averts him entirely... AND HE'S A FUCKING MELEE CHARACTER... Give the german CC immunity.
Heroes and cosmetics should all be automatically unlocked, I paid $60 for the game when it came out, I’m not about to pay $12 every 3 months just to get a skin. Skins mean nothing to me. I care about the gameplay
Tbh the pve is pointless wasted money, unless there's rewards people won't play it. Look at the missions they added, people got the plot then dropped it, the playlist is literally dead, no one is in it. the pve events get less players than the PvP ones. Its just wasted money, people will play the campaign once and gently never touch it again. I actually don't blame them for not bothering with it. I'd rather they just improve the PvP and add more maps and stuff since the game is literally a PvP game. Its like destiny, the PvP doesn't work in it, it's not very profitable
Over half the community wouldve played the original PvE vision. Whatever they released was not what was promised, and of course people arent interested in what's essentially Archives 2.0, especially not when you have to pay 15 bucks to play it, which also was not the original plan... The original PvE vision was a Borderlands style coop campaign with hero skill progression that unlocked new or altered abilities to change how you played that campaign. I've never once heard a Borderlands player say they got bored after the first playthrough. We wanted THAT.
Fun fact : Overwatch came out in 2015, since then, 10 characters were added, some maps (although a great part of them were also removed) and the labs. Lootboxes were removed, balance became sh*ttier and the hitbox became like paladins, events were reused. Nobody ever worked on this game. Kaplan was the responsible for this.
The balance team is just downright incompetent they would rather people please and listen to low rank players then actually do what's best for the game like instead of buffing all the projectiles and bringing the HP up they should've done a global healing and damage nurf and brought the numbers down because that would've solved legitimately every single problem in the game
Ehh.. buffing HP and damage does the same exact thing as nerfing HP and damage on a global scale.. The only difference is that "buffing" makes people more excited, but nothing actually got buffed.. in fact most of the buffs were considered nerfs when looking at the overall changes, but still "buff" just sounds nicer..
@@Cupoforangejuice15 what they chose was appeasing low players because that's the casual player base and that's the player base that spends the most money on the game and by that I mean the $20 re-colourings of overwatch one skins
@@marcusabrahim438 Im a flex player, so yes.. I regularly play tank. That doesnt change the fact buffing HP and DMG gives the exact same effect as nerfing both. It's not a role thing, it's a coding thing. Have you ever coded a game?
It's a more successful pve game than PvP, the pve is why people even get dlcs or play it. The PvP isn't profitable, hell they tried and it literally killed the game. Pve for overwatch is pointless, the missions are dead no one plays them, pve events aren't popular either it's a PvP game
That's not why PvE was scrapped. They actually had most of the assets ready (while mostly working from home, btw), but the higher ups cancelled it for no good reason and then thought they could get an extra buck out of the parts that were half finished so they put it into dlc archive-style missions..
Working from home has been proven to be more efficient. On top of that the valuable employees know their worth and will just go to another company that lets them work from home.
I am tired of this. All OW players ever do is whine. "The game's state is so bad rn", "Waa, they dont listen to the community", "Boo-hoo, all the talent left the team, and now they are just milking the game for profit, no passion, no balance", "The game is gonna die in *insert_time_interval*, fr fr". Like, I get that you LIKED the game when it was balanced, had lore etc etc, and you've sunk so many hours into it, it breaks your heart to see it in such a pitiful state. You are just kinda riding it out with the love for the game you have left over from it's glory days. BUT THAT SHIT HAS TO RUN OUT EVENTUALLY, RIGHT? At some point, you will just REALISE, that whatever dogshit they turned your favorite game into is not worth wasting your time on, REMEMBER that you have some semblance of self fucking respect and QUIT OVEWATCH. And not return to it, until Blizzard realise they fucked up, the community isn't gonna put up with their shit anymore, and they actually need to fix their game. Am I missing something here? Is this like a Stockholm syndrome situation? IT'S NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE. DON'T PLAY BAD GAMES. PRETTY SIMPLE, NO? P.s. This is in no way applicable to Flats (i luv u❤), or any OW content creator. This is their livelihood, they play this shit, complain about it to please the OW community that watches them and get payed. I understand that pivoting your content when you are known soly for OW is a huge gamble, and is, in most cases, not worth the risk of losing your income. P.p.s. I ain't readin' allat 😭 P.p.p.s. The longest fucking comment I've ever posted, but yeah, I do feel strongly about this, and just wanted to express that. Peace✌️ 😊
OW lore? You mean the charactets with nice butts? That they dont even do anymore bcuz they went PC. OW lore doesnt exist. Ex: Kiriko grew up with Genji and Hanzo right?! 😂😂 kiriko is 21, genji is 37, Hanzo is 40?! And they grew up together? Yeah. Okay.
I recall the whole reason they made overwatch 2 was for the PVE aspect and many of my friends flat out quit playing when they made OW2 with no plans for PVE because they felt blatantly lied to.
That me. Haven't play since mauga come out
Before the plans "changed" (*cough* blizzard lied *cough*), I called PvE down to the price point of $15 for like 3 missions of content. I just remember laughing my ass off when they announced it.
@@soninh4357 thats not you bud 😭😭😭 mauga came out LONG after pve was cancelled
@Tytronimo they literally officially announced it during the season mauga came out that they were not going to be doing the pve thing.
@@sublimetoast1441 its been basically confirmed since ow2 launched though. anyone with half a braincell couldve put two and two together n realised pve aint happening.
I don't think Blizzard deserves those people anymore...
Why?
@@wealthybone2990because those people can get better paying jobs with less hours and a better office culture in the same industry. Blizzard doesn’t deserve its best employees because it treats them like shit.
Milk Drinkers made the best content Blizzard has ever had.
There are no Milk Drinkers left. No one is deserved at that company now. No one should be wanted.
"PvE is not profitable"
Helldivers: *HOLD OUR DEMOCRACY!*
Ramatras whole character was to be the segway into pve content
I'll do you one better, the whole reason for the engine upgrade for overwatch 2 was so they could make pve content.
All the overwatch 2 default skins are because the game's timeline moved ahead... Which was supposed to be for the pve...
Yeah, but with Ram especially....
You can't really move his plot line without PvE. He's now stuck forever in plot limbo.
Whole world is, really.
Also, why do we have so many characters that doesn't belong anywhere really? What exactly Kiriko, Iliari, Lightweaver and Venture are doing here? Every other character is connected to Talon or Overwatch in some way, but those four.
I know Lightweaver was a roommate with Sym, and Kiriko grew up with Hanzo and Genji, but why are they here now?
Plot is stuck and so we are not getting new characters that can join the plot as it goes, they just appear here
Blizzard is the embodiment of a kid who dropped out and cant think at all
Irony is that all the people making those decisions went to Ivy League schools.
@@aeonamadijust goes to show that having all the education in the world doesn't always mean you're smart.
@bobtehdinosaur or that a legacy at an ivy league school got a degree that they didn't earn or deserve. Just got handed a Diploma cuz daddy is rich and went there before them.
BTW Bobby Kotick is a college dropout.
bro not the sex bots in spanish too😂😂
They are targeting all the demographics now
French next tbh
Blizzard: We dont want to make PvE its not profitable, dont want to make lore content
Riot: Hold my Arcane season 2
Arcane season 1 was so popular, of course they will want a season 2. And in league, a champion will get buffed before they get a skin so more people play them, then later they get nerfed again after the skin sales. Riot games is greedy af
@@staotheduck4853 if it was just arcane, look at cyberpunk, fallout, last of us... truth is overwatch lore is all over the place and full of plotholes written by a bunch of clowns so they can't write shit without retconning a bunch of things
@@p5satanaelcant write lore, can't design or balance characters 😂😂😂😂
@@dylancrosby2451 but hey, in early OW1, they made hot characters for the R34 coomers....
Arcane Season 2 AND Valorant Cinematics with a reason why they fight each other.
I never understood why people say PvE never mattered. The devs for years have been trying to find a way to make the game more casual and "accessible" so the best way to do it is make a PVE gamemode where anyone could play and then that gets casual players to try PVP when they feel like it. It is literally the only way to achieve their practically impossible goal without jeopardizing the integrity of the game
The vast majority of players was excited about the PvE announcements. It's just a loud minority of dumbasses that claimed nobody cared about it, just because they didn't.
Literally came back for the PVE, and yet.... thanks Blizzard. Hate you too
I don't understand how so many people overlook this when discussing 6v6 vs 5v5.
The reason why 6v6 fell to crap was because they were spending ALL their time in PVE and OW2 from late 2019-2022. No duh 6v6 wasn't working CAUSE IT WASN'T BEING WORKED ON
Not to mention all of 6v6 problems were purely a balance issue that always could have just been tweaked. 5v5 has problems in its very foundation, 1 role will always dominate leaving the other 2 miserable. When supports are OP, tanks are unkillable and tank/dps players are upset. DPS op, Tanks get burst down too fast and supports die, they're miserable. Now all these tank changes seem amazing for tank players... But it seems like now they're going to just revert back to being unkillable cause they're too bulky, meaning that DPS are basically there just to apply a 20% anti-heal .
I still have 0 clue which idiot had the idea of role passives, each character plays too differently for them to all get the same passive. Ball needs to be countered by CC, because if he isn't then he's going to be absurdly obnoxious to deal with (same with other dive heroes). Rein by comparison needs the CC reduction otherwise he cannot get into fights at all without the enemy misplaying. You can't just give every tank the exact same stats via a passive and expect that to solve the problems, it just shifts them onto other players.
Dps passive, pharah and tracer apply the debuff very differently with characters like tracer having more consistent damage output and therefore more consistent debuffing. It does not work.
I'm not saying a sudden change to 6v6 will magically solve all the issues, but balance across the board never felt THIS bad for THIS long that I can remember from 6v6. The worst comps were goats and double barrier, and goats isn't even possible anymore, and double barrier only works with old orisa + sigma so that's not possible either. Get rid of role passives altogether and just go back to the old balance method, cause with all the faults of 6v6, 5v5 has had all the same ones and more (even more steamroll heavy, tank is miserable to play because its too much stress onto one player, the roles are horrendously unbalanced in relation to one another, queue times are still miserable so that issue never really got "fixed" like they wanted did it, and above all else the balance has been dreadful since day 1 despite it being "easier to balance" as people said).
At LEAST give us 6v6 as a game mode, hell I'm fine if it overrides open queue entirely.
I swear they fixed like most of the problems with 6v6 in OW2, they didn't need to go to 5v5 at all. Just dump the Orisa rework and the CC nerfs into 6v6 and do smth about Sigma, Bap and Brig (and never release Kiriko) and we would have been fine.
@@darcidious99people like tank a lot more in open queue so I think all the players are just people who miss 6v6 and double tanks. So in a way, I don't think most people would miss getting rid of open queue for 6v6
@@darcidious99Wouldn't double barrier work with Ram?
@@avaluggglazer445 I highly doubt it, cooldown based shield, only lasts so long when placed, and tbh all shields in ow2 suck, but rammatra also can't recall his shield and let it regen like rein/sigma. If you want a barrier tank, he's probably your worst option. I mean you COULD run it, I just don't know why you would when odds are you want ram to get in and punch, so you'd probably want zarya/dva with him to keep him safe.
Like ram/sigma could maybe work, but it's cause sigma would protect ram while he's punching, not stacking up barriers really so I wouldn't say it'd be a double shield problem. Maybe im wrong though
I did try applying there in May of last year for the matchmaking went through a few calls with them but didn't make it all the way.
The problem was the fact that the PvE they released was all just the same thing as the old events. It wasnt story mode, there was no passion, and evidently the funding wasnt pointed in the right directions since they didnt think it was profitable.
Its sad because if they invested in some new game mechanics and actually let the people who enjoyed the story do their thing when creating it OW 2's PvE could have been so perfect.
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Basically overwatch has become raid shadow legends
No, raid shadow legends is actually fun to play
@@tommasocostante2639lmao calm down with that
@@Haonnn hey I'm serious, raid is not that bad after all
@@tommasocostante2639It plays itself
Explain
I don’t think the balance will kill this game, the problem is that even entry level skill for alternative games are so starkly different from overwatch that it’d take a copy like paladins or a more adult Plants Vs Zombies to stomp out overwatch and that’ll never happen.
Who’s gonna tell him that “people coming back to work in the office” does not mean rehire the same employees, but that the currently existing incompetent employees will have to work from the office now? Which is in general bad because production and mental health of developers were higher when they could work from home
Bring back Jeff
I wish but Jeff bailed out for a reason. They don't deserve him
The matchmaking is the biggest problem with Overwatch 2, for me.
same. QP im waiting 4-8mins to get an extremely unbalanced game, or comp i get 15-25min queue because "wide-group" ruined playing with my friends that i had no issue w/ before.
matchmaking was never this bad in 1.0 when they had no drive to sell MTX. I wouldn't be surprised if they used EOMM, which could be the cause of matchmaking times being drawn out more.
psychological manipulation is a huge part of selling stuff in f2p games, a lot of people don't see it like that though, sadly.
@@soviexethe wide group thing and always being paired against 2/3/4 stacks if you're in a 2/3/4 stack has raised queue times to absurd levels. Honestly if somebody is fine with these changes then they can't complain "6v6 raised queue times too much" because wide queue has increased them even more.
Agree, we need more balance patches
*what would flats even do if overwatch 2 tanked..*
I uninstalled the day they announced they were only gonna release glorified archive missions and im still glad i did
Just boycott the fucking game, we should’ve done that when OW2 launched
I would just email the boss the same picture and apologize for working from home. Personally I would hate to try to drive through a blizzard. Then when I'm fired for the absolutely lowest quality pun I'll probably be a janitor at the local high school
That article is from 2023.....
if u think about it they just made overwatch 1 worse for literally no reason, like worse in every single way too
I always hear people say that they make good content for each season. How? They literally only add cosmetics, other games add new game modes, playable characters and more as well as the skins. Not trying to hate, I just don’t understand why people say this. I’m willing to be proven wrong
We get a new map and new character alternativing every season and every season comes with ltm event game modes to play. This season is mirrorwatch for example.
@@WindReiter10 what's so special about mirrorwatch?
New, exciting, different abilities. It's limited to 4 tanks, 6 or 8 DPS, and 4 supports, however, I think. @@trutwhut6550
Lol PvE isn't profitable. Helldivers one of the most popular and most profitable game of all time comes out...
Blizzard after repeatedly abusing and shitting on their employees while their managers sexually harass and assault their employees, allegedly resulting in the suicide of one of their employees
When were things "looking good"? Things have been HORRIBLE for this game and community. Anyone remember people getting banned for simply cursing?
I think the widespread hacking and false reporting for just playing a hero that people don't like is what killed it.
My main account with all gold weps and most gallery from ow1 obtained is perma banned.... do to this bs...
Wow, they saw helldivers 2 and found out how they could make money on that. So, we have to expect Helldivers 2 in OW2 or possible revival of PvE
if they didn't cancel pve, they would have made SOOO MUCHH MONEEY , it's unbelievable
What vid is this from
Don't try to act like Blizzard is doing good. DONT FORGET WHAT THEY DID
Bro said the lore was something umprotant about overwatch....? What the game itself waa just a fun kill arena
Pve was literally the fucking point of ow2, if you cant balance the game then you need to deliver on other promises be they just didn't so now the balance is areguably worse than ever and there is nothing big coming that people are actually excited for
Why is this video being posted now when the article was from last year?
Flats sarcastically "all of us saying pvp was cancelled were wrong, right"
Yet flats was constantly saying "PVE is coming. It was seperated from 5v5 blah blah calm down guys"
That was before news came out about it being canceled.
I've got 100's of hours in OW and I don't know a singular piece of lore nor do I care. I just wanna click heads
For me it wasn't PvE alone that "killed" ow2. As stupid as it sounds, it was when they added in character ages and birthdays, because oh no pve, well at least they can still expand on the lore in other ways.
Then they did the birthdays, and it just 100% proved that there is no consistent lore or canon because they don't care a single bit whatsoever. I loved Junkrat and Roadhog, but knowing at any point they can just pull a kiriko and completely bastardize their backstories is when I realized there's 0 reason to care about the characters or the world anymore, and the game has been miserable pretty much since day 1. Until something big changes, there is literally 0 reason for me, a casual player, to play anymore.
I think it’s crazy that people trip about having to leave their house to go to work. I get it you could work from home but like nobody actually works as hard as they would in a building with peers and people managing them.
Statistically speaking: people who've worked qt home have shown to produce higher quality work while enabling them to live anywhere.
Being able to work at home also provides a less stressful setting, enabling a quicker workflow.
@@featherskaijay3060 yeah nothing you just said is true
Maybe the second half
@@Wo00064 I work in development. What he said IS true. Devs working from home produce higher quality content, sometimes it feels like you cant get anything done in the office but then get all the ideas when you enter the comfort of your own home.
That's why a vast majority of dev companies, the ones that didnt already have this flexible work ideology, switched to hybrid after covid. Because it proved it worked better.
You are incorrect about literally everything in your post, but do you bro.
Delusional take, balance isn't bad, its not like they have added a character with infinite stealth on a passive that can 100 to zero you in about a second or less, with a poision that can kill you after you outplay her, and a 5 second teleport that initiates their stealth, with an ultimate that does damage in a massive aoe and locks people's abilities for 3 seconds and can deny not 2 but 2 megas from the enemy team with a silence on a 4 second or so cooldown that effects people almost instantly, I think this games balance is perfect
You almost had me there for a second.
Don't forget the horse. Best tank pretty much sense the game launched, while ball and rein are sitting in the corner desperately looking to play too... And then they make rein unable to firestrike through a fucking flower just to make him that tiny bit worse.
I don't blame the devs for the decision to scrap PvE because that's out of their control, but I do know at least one dev is in charge of these horrible decisions that make the game anti-fun garbage.
@@darcidious99 The devs didnt scrap PvE. Management did. You're blaming the wrong team for the wrong reasons. The dev team is just doing whatever management tells them. The devs are actually quite awesome people.
@@darcidious99 oh that's crazy, I almost thought you said that they gave the cc immune dash to the tank busting double bastion lifesteal tank with a big heart, and not the guy in the full durable rocket armor that can almost never take space because of how easy it is to cancel his dash on the right hero, I may be dyslexic
@@D_Quinn I quite literally, in the comment, said "I don't blame devs for the decision to scrap PVE"... Because I know that's a higher up issue and not a dev issue unlike some of the casual audience who think its all aaron keller's fault.
That being said though, balance decisions should be being done by at least one of them, and whoever it is... I just wanna talk
@@dreamsmith3965 its so fucking stupid dude I hate that shit. Like I think ball getting full CC immunity is too far since his entire kit revolves around being annoying and high mobility, he needs to be punishable via CC otherwise he's going to just be obnoxious.
Rein has one ability to get into fights, and it's virtually worthless. Not only is pin still extremely unreliable, but suzu I can only imagine saves teammates pinned by him, and CC just stops or averts him entirely... AND HE'S A FUCKING MELEE CHARACTER... Give the german CC immunity.
Heroes and cosmetics should all be automatically unlocked, I paid $60 for the game when it came out, I’m not about to pay $12 every 3 months just to get a skin. Skins mean nothing to me. I care about the gameplay
The game is already dead
Ok 👍
Wondering why balance (format) are terrible... Hmm..
So what does this mean??? :o
Tbh the pve is pointless wasted money, unless there's rewards people won't play it. Look at the missions they added, people got the plot then dropped it, the playlist is literally dead, no one is in it. the pve events get less players than the PvP ones.
Its just wasted money, people will play the campaign once and gently never touch it again.
I actually don't blame them for not bothering with it. I'd rather they just improve the PvP and add more maps and stuff since the game is literally a PvP game. Its like destiny, the PvP doesn't work in it, it's not very profitable
Over half the community wouldve played the original PvE vision. Whatever they released was not what was promised, and of course people arent interested in what's essentially Archives 2.0, especially not when you have to pay 15 bucks to play it, which also was not the original plan...
The original PvE vision was a Borderlands style coop campaign with hero skill progression that unlocked new or altered abilities to change how you played that campaign. I've never once heard a Borderlands player say they got bored after the first playthrough. We wanted THAT.
Doesn't help with how awful Pharah's Voice Actor is. 🇵🇸
She needs to be recast.
Honestly, dont care. It wont fix the game.
Fun fact : Overwatch came out in 2015, since then, 10 characters were added, some maps (although a great part of them were also removed) and the labs. Lootboxes were removed, balance became sh*ttier and the hitbox became like paladins, events were reused.
Nobody ever worked on this game. Kaplan was the responsible for this.
The balance team is just downright incompetent they would rather people please and listen to low rank players then actually do what's best for the game like instead of buffing all the projectiles and bringing the HP up they should've done a global healing and damage nurf and brought the numbers down because that would've solved legitimately every single problem in the game
Ehh.. buffing HP and damage does the same exact thing as nerfing HP and damage on a global scale..
The only difference is that "buffing" makes people more excited, but nothing actually got buffed.. in fact most of the buffs were considered nerfs when looking at the overall changes, but still "buff" just sounds nicer..
Honestly I think they wanted to do that but the route they chose was muchhhhh easier
@@D_Quinn Have you played Tank?
@@Cupoforangejuice15 what they chose was appeasing low players because that's the casual player base and that's the player base that spends the most money on the game and by that I mean the $20 re-colourings of overwatch one skins
@@marcusabrahim438 Im a flex player, so yes.. I regularly play tank. That doesnt change the fact buffing HP and DMG gives the exact same effect as nerfing both.
It's not a role thing, it's a coding thing. Have you ever coded a game?
*sigh*
Pound for pound, Blizzard has the best developers in the world. They've been around for a long time and are masters of the craft at every level.
Destiny 2 is definitely not a successful pve game. They couldve had a badass pve gamemode.
It's a more successful pve game than PvP, the pve is why people even get dlcs or play it. The PvP isn't profitable, hell they tried and it literally killed the game. Pve for overwatch is pointless, the missions are dead no one plays them, pve events aren't popular either it's a PvP game
Pve isn’t even that fun. PvP is where the content is at
Hey if they return to the office then maybe we’ll get some PVE after all
That's not why PvE was scrapped. They actually had most of the assets ready (while mostly working from home, btw), but the higher ups cancelled it for no good reason and then thought they could get an extra buck out of the parts that were half finished so they put it into dlc archive-style missions..
Working from home has been proven to be more efficient. On top of that the valuable employees know their worth and will just go to another company that lets them work from home.
I am tired of this. All OW players ever do is whine. "The game's state is so bad rn", "Waa, they dont listen to the community", "Boo-hoo, all the talent left the team, and now they are just milking the game for profit, no passion, no balance", "The game is gonna die in *insert_time_interval*, fr fr".
Like, I get that you LIKED the game when it was balanced, had lore etc etc, and you've sunk so many hours into it, it breaks your heart to see it in such a pitiful state. You are just kinda riding it out with the love for the game you have left over from it's glory days. BUT THAT SHIT HAS TO RUN OUT EVENTUALLY, RIGHT?
At some point, you will just REALISE, that whatever dogshit they turned your favorite game into is not worth wasting your time on, REMEMBER that you have some semblance of self fucking respect and QUIT OVEWATCH.
And not return to it, until Blizzard realise they fucked up, the community isn't gonna put up with their shit anymore, and they actually need to fix their game.
Am I missing something here? Is this like a Stockholm syndrome situation? IT'S NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE. DON'T PLAY BAD GAMES. PRETTY SIMPLE, NO?
P.s. This is in no way applicable to Flats (i luv u❤), or any OW content creator. This is their livelihood, they play this shit, complain about it to please the OW community that watches them and get payed. I understand that pivoting your content when you are known soly for OW is a huge gamble, and is, in most cases, not worth the risk of losing your income.
P.p.s. I ain't readin' allat 😭
P.p.p.s. The longest fucking comment I've ever posted, but yeah, I do feel strongly about this, and just wanted to express that. Peace✌️ 😊
The balance can't be worse than dbd, can it?
Dbd is not a competitive game
Get ready for all the "overwatch is dead" Comments from people who don't know what the word Dead actually means
Just start streaming paladins it's a better game
OW lore? You mean the charactets with nice butts? That they dont even do anymore bcuz they went PC.
OW lore doesnt exist. Ex: Kiriko grew up with Genji and Hanzo right?! 😂😂 kiriko is 21, genji is 37, Hanzo is 40?! And they grew up together?
Yeah. Okay.