It's disturbing that so many people can be disconnected from what's happening with the channel, but act like they are invested in the content enough to demand the old host back. As usual the ignorant people are the loudest. I prefer Zach doing reviews on cars I care about, leave Matt to review the new cars for people his dad's age. I still want to learn about new cars but the old cars deserve a host that wants to drive them.
Matt did reviews for the better part of 10 years. His early early ones werent thT great but he's just got the right personality and had time to hone his craft. Zach's just making the transition. What doesn't help is people shitting on him every video. Its not going to change it. Matt doesn't want to do this anymore
@@papa_pt dude something about zack man, reminds me of an annoying version of vehicle virgins dude. But the vehicle virgins dude is not bad at all. But zack is just so lackluster compared to matt. Think about it, chris Harris, matt farrah, that chubby dude from auto express. None of them are impressionable or regal looking, but they way they speak, drive, relate to the nuances of the cars make them over all super appealing and make the viewer long for more of their material. Zack though man. Not at all.
Great story bro. He must be very charitable to the "Cats that hate winter because it's cold" foundation during the holiday seasons to deserve a reward as grand as having a guy drive his car to create content for his RUclips channel. Bravo to all involved! Don't think we forgot about you buddy! You have been making such excellent comments that are relevant to the topic of the video. They are comments that many people would enjoy reading and also gain invaluable knowledge of important things such as who your moms brothers son is. I'm hoping next time you will tell me who your other cousin is, I'm enthralled. These important comments render you deserving of having a cousin that is in a RUclips video one time and will be completely forgotten by everyone by the time they get to the end of this comment. Enjoy you cheeky cunt! Enjoy!
Daniel, while it is out of my control, I’m sorry for your room temperature IQ. Must be hard to squeeze in writing a comment between all the window licking and crayon eating
voice of reason yeah chavs love 2 tone Adidas, North Face or Nike jackets for some reason, pro because you can get them for very cheap at sports outlets.
Zack really does his homework, something I'm noticing. I like his personality a lot and am so glad he's keeping this going! He thinks about things in an interesting way
The good thing about the 190e 2.3 is despite the fact that you cant really expect it to be that fast, the smooth handling plus the sound the engine makes compensates for the lack of power from the stock engine and that's why its such a blast to drive on the mountain. So its kinda like a 4 door mx5 in a way, Based on owner's experience.
@annon # A valid opinion based on direct observation elicits a sex-specific personal insult from you towards a complete stranger? Yay, post-modern feminism builds another irredeemable harpy! Countdown to daddy-issues generated fentanyl overdose...
@@panchonorthmann6408 Honestly I think the fact that you took such an obviously low-effort trolling comment that way says a lot more about you than them
Takes me back. I was a Mercedes mechanic and a large dealer in the south east when these cars were new. These cars were a blast and maitenance was only marginally more than the regular 190's about on par with the diesels. Valves rarely needed adjustment, even when they did the shim kit was the way to go. simple math and following the chart put you right in spec. I since moved to a different career on but still get excited to see a 16 valve on the road. If I see a nice example for sale it will go home with me.
I love the 190E, drove one for 5 years, bullet proof, amazing suspension and very forgiving handling, I did very stupid things and it never killed me :) . I have driven a lot of cars since , none had suspensions like the 190E, you can drive full speed over speed bumps and the car says is that all you got? :)
60mph or 120mph, all you feel is the road. The car drives exactly the same no matter what you throw at it. Amazing suspension work, even in just the base model trim.
One of the finest and no most realistic, functional German cars.. It had everything, boxy buff looks, classic style, great handling/brakes/steering feel and an amazing body with minimal body roll.. But the comfort was there!!
@@tricd0444 there's not gonna be a German car like that again.. Nor even Audis.. They are still good cars, well built and practically sophisticated (not always though) but there's simply no chance that they last as long or age as well. Sadly, modern cars have become like appliances in general (with few and often costly bright examples).. But hey! That's why know our stuff and like "old" cars!! Save the planet/Restore old quality metal!!
I'm 58 so I remember...... This one has eluded me in my 533i, 535is, tii, Jetta 16V history.... my buddy had one in the mid-90's when I has my first set of BMWs and the 16V Jetta and for some reason I want one more than I want an E30 M3.
8 seconds to 60 mph was rather quick for 1980's standards. Back then regular cars did 13 to 15 seconds to 60 mph. Also, power was quite good for a time when most cars had 100 hp or less.
Also those were American numbers, in Europe the car was tuned to be much faster. Emissions regulations really hamstrung this car hard. The race car version with the exact same engine was making 335 horsepower naturally aspirated.
Boxy euros like this beautiful lady here, or like Lancia integrale, e30 m3, old Sierras and escorts.. Classic/rally cars in general, are like a proper woman.. Full of presence, character and curves! 😉👌There's a primal element to their charisma!!
Thanks for the review. Really exciting to see the 2.3-16. I love those SL wheels on it. Zack is doing a great job, if he didn’t take over we wouldn’t have One Takes at all, so thanks Zack.
Nice video - thank you. But guys, some points to comment on, from the heart of Mercedes-Benz (deep down from Stuttgart): - all three cars "survived" the record chases in Nardò in August 1983 (Daimler-Benz did this not for the press, but to show how great this new 16 valve engine was (in early 1980s there were only a few on the market) - these street records are still held today (247.xx kph over 25.000 kilometers; over 25.000 mls and over 50.000 kilometers in the fastest time), pretty pretty impressive - they continuously raced the oval race track in southern Italy for 201 hours - the more rare variant within the US is the sliding roof (only in MY 86 and 87) - afterwards the roof was a sliding and tilt roof (like on 124 series) - the oil temperature gauge in the center console indicates the engine oil temperatures, not from the transmission Cheers!
MY CHILDHOOD FRIENDS DAD HAD ONE OF THESE. NOTHING LIKE IT. YOUR GETTING A ONE OFF MERCEDES MANUAL RACE CAR!!! MY FRIEND USED TO POWER SHIFT THIS CAR, THAT FEELING STILL STAYS WITH ME TO THIS DAY. GET THE 190E🔥😎
Hi this message is for the owner make sure the timing chain tensioner guides etc are in good condition or has been replace because I owned one and the chain stretched and rubbed on a metal pin the that piece of metal fell into the oil pan then in my case the metal screen was detached from the oil pick up tube so the metal pin got sucked into the oil pump then major damage occurred on the crankshaft and cylinder head just make sure every think is ok this would be a shame that this would happen to you.
Looks like a relatively mint model, there was zero scary noises coming from it, and it looks like it's a Cali car, so it's most likely able to pass emissions. I wouldn't worry too much.
Then there’s something else to say aside from how fun and unique this beautiful Mercedes is, there’s also the fact that they just don’t build cars with that kind of quality anymore. It’s a car you can take care of and it’ll take care of you forever
Awesome video! The owner and Zach both really knew their stuff. The car handled great and sounds so sexy. These cars should be selling for more than they are! Especially the rare clean examples like this one
I actually think Zack does a great job in the Podcast. He is funny and makes good comments. Has far as the one takes, he should ask the owners about the cars, instead he just regurgitates what he read in his research the night before. I get some owners freeze up but at least try to get the story behind the owner and why this car.
Great to see. Thanx I have a euro version 1987. Only 110k on the clock. Owned for 20 year currently under full resto. In the best colour imo the blue over black not champain, the only 2 colours the 2.3 came in. Had to also get rid of the big ugly steering wheel for a smaller wooden momo. Hope mine turns out looking as beautiful as yours.
I had a bog standard 190E and it really was a great comfortable car, solid and handled nice. Would just like to say "thank you to the dickhead who stole it" 😠
Wow I skipped a couple videos on this channel since Matt announced he was no longer going to shoot one takes, I had no idea this guy would pick it up. I am so fucking glad he did, I really enjoy the new host , he reminds me of Idubbbz for some reasons. I think I saw a R8 review he did back in the day. Anyway great video!
I have been shying away from One Take since Zach took over the built cars and Matt has been doing the bought cars. Zach just didn't seem as knowledge and didn't grab my attention as well, and I don't watch the channel for the bought cars. That being said, Zach, good job on this review, I really enjoyed it. I'm going to start watching regularly again.
Like the fighting over Rose's analogy and glad your using it again. Kinda miss the echo slightly though lol awesome content as always Zach. Keep up the great work
It's mechanical multi-point fuel injection (k-jet) controlled by electronics (ecu) not real EFI like nowadays :) I daily drive a 2.3 8v and love it,it's a momentum car,,this must be really great to drive with the extra hp and nm.
...then there's the 190E 2.6 (6 cylinder 2.6 - the same engine as the W124 260E larger bodied car) with 124kW (167hp) @ 5800rpm and 228Nm @ 4600rpm vs the 190E 2.0 with 89kW (120hp) @ 5100rpm and 175Nm @ 3500rpm.
And the 1.8 109 hp or 80 kW @ 5500 rpm ,150 Nm or 110 lb.ft @ 3700 rpm.The early ones are 190 without the E,meaning they are carburetor (80 hp or 66 kW @ 5000 rpm,165 Nm or 121 lb.ft @ 3500 rpm).
@@ryn0287 I think we've just about covered everything there :) 190E: I can't say enough good things about that series of cars in their looks and engineering aspects (2.3 and 2.6 are the pick of the bunch for daily drivers town and highway driving). Great that they're not front wheel drive yet are a 4 or 6 cylinder small to medium sized German saloon.
@voice of reason I have a friend who had a Merkur XR4Ti of the same era, and that did not hold up well...AT ALL. Literally fell apart. To quote him -> "Worst car ever"
@@bwest6275 agree with you bro. My cousin had an XR4Ti and it was a POS. I remember fondly all the times it had to be taken into service due to manufacturing defects. Plus, the interior was pure crap. If the end goal is pure speed, sure, a boosted car is much easier to mod than a NA engine. But IMHO a 190e is leagues better in quality and overall engineering. A reason why people sure have forgotten the Sierra.
I once had the opportunity to buy one (same colour and year, but rotten side sills) for 3200 Euro's which I then deemed 'too expensive". One of the few things in my life that I regret sincerely. They sky-rocketed in price a year after and now I cannot justify buying one over other cars in that price range...
I love autoweek retro videos. They do tend to favor American cars but to be objective 180hp, 16v racing engine, coming out of the malaise era I would’ve been excited too.
I mean over 150hp was high for 80s Mercs and I think one of the charms of the 16v is the plain look, if you would take the wing off it will look like normal 190E if you dont know the exterior changes. The W201 is very similar to W124 (E-class) and 190E was a test mule (atleast what I have read) for the upcoming E-class like the 5 link suspension
Owned one. It was very hard run and came to me wearing shitty lexani knockoff 19’s. Rectified the ground control and a few other things and had a great time. Rust won the day though and I sold it for what I paid to someone interested in the drivetrain. If I had the chance to jump on a clean one or the later 2.5 I’d take it at any reasonable price
2.5-16 demands a 10-20k premium. Any clean one demands almost as much, even for just the base model. A clean one in good running condition is going to run you $5,000 easy. And you'll have to look long and hard for it. Hurry up and jump on the wagon, I have a feeling it only goes up from here.
I'm thinking of getting a 190e as a first car. Anything I should worry about? My dad works with cars specifically Mercedes so repairs aren't an issue. Love the design
I would put this on the level of the BMW E38 750 IL. The V12 was a cruiser not a speed demon. I did have a custom Stainless Steel Exhaust made by Tomie for it. Now before you bash me this Cosworth powered Benz is amazing reqaurdless but not a speed demon. I have hade a W124 Wagon that I put the AMG V8 in it. Iconic cars forever
Only the Zylinderhead was made by Cosworth, Rest of the Engine is made by Mercedes. :) Great Video, and Great Car! Got the same one, but 185 HP. Greez from Benztown Sindelfingen ⭐️
There's one with 150k miles for 19k€. So basically the market for these cars is already infested by collectors. If you want to buy something that keeps its' value, sure. If you're looking to drive something you can get a 2008 c-class for the same money. Modding one isn't worth it and ruins the value and a stock one just lacks way to much power for driving it on the autobahn and racetracks.
man that's not true. Compared to similar cars of its age these things command a $10-15k premium. You could buy a 335i for the same price and less mileage NOT cheap
@@papa_pt Yeah but you can interpret anything into a "reasonable" price. Is the 100,000$ pricetag on an E30 M3 reasonable? Probably not. Is the 15-25k€ (EU) 190E pricetag reasonable? Probably not because it's 20 years older than similar cars in its' pricerange, but in relation to the E30 M3s pricetag it is indeed reasonable. Overall I'd say it's overpriced as hell just like any other collectable german car, but then again if you substract inflation from the 25k€ pricetag the car actually just kept its' value, it didn't appreciate nor depreciate. Today salaries in germany are at a 1997 level, but if the economy had no tendencies towards slavery then we would be earning twice as much money today and in that case the price for this car would be very reasonable. So I'd say it's not unreasonable for what it is but since salaries are continuously dropping (80-100% real inflation since 2000 in germany) at some point even a ford fiesta will be pretty much unaffordable without a loan.
@@アマ-p2l wow I will have to look that up regarding Germany. I did not know it had gotten so bad...wages have somewhat stagnated in the U.S. as well but you have to remember that your dollar generally gets you a lot more product than what it used to (regarding tech at least). Any car that is already getting collector speculation +$$$$ is in general not reasonable to most other cars of it's era. I DO agree that compared to the E30 specifically it looks reasonable
@@papa_pt Yeah I never ran into anyone in the US who knew about real economy problems in the EU, I barely met US citizens who realized what's going on in their own country. Compared to the E30 the price seems cheap but the E30 is so much more desireable so yeah I'd say it sits in the exact type of nonesense price category where it belongs in todays' market. You get faster, better cars for less money but it's like a vintage CD from some famous band they are all getting bought up because they keep at least twice as much value as any money printed on paper and the downside is noone will use them for what they were created for. Like that 190E EVO2 with 5k KMs on it which sold for 220,000$.
Mercedes nerd here, the self-leveling came from the S class or station wagons, of those years, the system wasn't terribly rare and you can find parts at junkyards for cheap,
Everything I've researched says the m104 is better suited for boost. Slightly easier to make the compression ratio right, higher boost potential, and if you can find a flywheel for it, will bolt up to the same dogleg transmission as seen in the 2.3-16. That being said, I remember a few years back there was only a couple of flywheels left in a warehouse in Germany. Mercedes was asking $600+ tax and shipping. In comparison, You can find the transmission itself, complete with 4 cylinder flywheel, pedals, master cylinder, linkages, and a shift knob for around $1,000 fairly regularly. Either way you go, you end up basically having to fabricate your own exhaust system and intake system. There's no simple provisions for boost control or fueling adjustment without delving into the Bosch fuel system. Even then, you're working with 60's and 70's mechanical injection with a couple of electronic band-aids on it. The system is super finnicky, and needs to be in basically pristine condition to run well, or to run at all under boost. As far as suspension goes, there's one or two companies with coilover conversion kits available, tuned to your own personal corner weight, for $1,000-$2,000, or you can pick any of a number of coil springs from an R134, W124, etc. and cut to length. There's really 2 different chassis, the 4 cylinder chassis, and the 6 cylinder chassis. The 6 cylinder has a removable upper radiator support which is basically mandatory for the motor/trans to come in and out. The 4 cylinder without the removable support is even a rather close squeeze in the first place. Great car, fantastic if it's running perfectly, fantastic if you modify it to run perfectly, and a vast amount of knowledge and information available in the aftermarket. Makes it hard to want to continue to go through with selling mine...
You only need about 300 - 320 hp - the car weighs about as much as a 85 Honda Civic - which would be in power to weight ratio the equivalence of 500hp over all - that’s with all the interior, a race prep would be more - NA is good - but expensive to get this type of power , boost the 2.3 8v its built for it ;-)
I remember driving a friend's 4g63 swapped W201 190e.. Beast!! It's unexpectedly light for its size but very well composed as well and having crashed in one of those.. It's a very safe car!! I am about to start helping turbo my mates 190e later this year.. But it's a long way to go.. (Damned K Jetronic!!!)
It's disturbing that so many people can be disconnected from what's happening with the channel, but act like they are invested in the content enough to demand the old host back. As usual the ignorant people are the loudest.
I prefer Zach doing reviews on cars I care about, leave Matt to review the new cars for people his dad's age. I still want to learn about new cars but the old cars deserve a host that wants to drive them.
In my country, we have a saying: "You've put the point on i, my friend"...
Who cares, zack is improving, but u gotta admit boring as shit compared to matt. Universally accepted. I repeat, Boring as hell compared to matt.
Matt did reviews for the better part of 10 years. His early early ones werent thT great but he's just got the right personality and had time to hone his craft. Zach's just making the transition. What doesn't help is people shitting on him every video. Its not going to change it. Matt doesn't want to do this anymore
@@misterpacha1 what cause he talks more about the car instead of beating on it?
@@papa_pt dude something about zack man, reminds me of an annoying version of vehicle virgins dude. But the vehicle virgins dude is not bad at all. But zack is just so lackluster compared to matt. Think about it, chris Harris, matt farrah, that chubby dude from auto express. None of them are impressionable or regal looking, but they way they speak, drive, relate to the nuances of the cars make them over all super appealing and make the viewer long for more of their material. Zack though man. Not at all.
That’s my cousin Mark. So stoked to see him on the channel. He deserves it
Great story bro. He must be very charitable to the "Cats that hate winter because it's cold" foundation during the holiday seasons to deserve a reward as grand as having a guy drive his car to create content for his RUclips channel. Bravo to all involved! Don't think we forgot about you buddy! You have been making such excellent comments that are relevant to the topic of the video. They are comments that many people would enjoy reading and also gain invaluable knowledge of important things such as who your moms brothers son is. I'm hoping next time you will tell me who your other cousin is, I'm enthralled. These important comments render you deserving of having a cousin that is in a RUclips video one time and will be completely forgotten by everyone by the time they get to the end of this comment. Enjoy you cheeky cunt! Enjoy!
@@danielnelson4881 STFU, ok!
Daniel, while it is out of my control, I’m sorry for your room temperature IQ. Must be hard to squeeze in writing a comment between all the window licking and crayon eating
that adidas jacket is dope...ALSO i think zach is doing a great job with these reviews
Come to Liverpool :P you won't like the jacket then haha
voice of reason yeah chavs love 2 tone Adidas, North Face or Nike jackets for some reason, pro because you can get them for very cheap at sports outlets.
@@ChrisDorgan ii
Zack really does his homework, something I'm noticing. I like his personality a lot and am so glad he's keeping this going! He thinks about things in an interesting way
The good thing about the 190e 2.3 is despite the fact that you cant really expect it to be that fast, the smooth handling plus the sound the engine makes compensates for the lack of power from the stock engine and that's why its such a blast to drive on the mountain. So its kinda like a 4 door mx5 in a way, Based on owner's experience.
That engine bay needs some love :(
@annon # A valid opinion based on direct observation elicits a sex-specific personal insult from you towards a complete stranger? Yay, post-modern feminism builds another irredeemable harpy! Countdown to daddy-issues generated fentanyl overdose...
@@panchonorthmann6408 It's the internetz. It happens. Don't take it so serious, and most importantly don't feed the trolls.
@@panchonorthmann6408 Honestly I think the fact that you took such an obviously low-effort trolling comment that way says a lot more about you than them
@@panchonorthmann6408 fucking epic reply especially the last part !
Takes me back. I was a Mercedes mechanic and a large dealer in the south east when these cars were new. These cars were a blast and maitenance was only marginally more than the regular 190's about on par with the diesels. Valves rarely needed adjustment, even when they did the shim kit was the way to go. simple math and following the chart put you right in spec. I since moved to a different career on but still get excited to see a 16 valve on the road. If I see a nice example for sale it will go home with me.
Anything with cosworth written on the back of it makes you a don in the uk!
8nly in Essex boy ;)
M W made in Dagenham
I’m having James May flashbacks
I love the 190E, drove one for 5 years, bullet proof, amazing suspension and very forgiving handling, I did very stupid things and it never killed me :) . I have driven a lot of cars since , none had suspensions like the 190E, you can drive full speed over speed bumps and the car says is that all you got? :)
60mph or 120mph, all you feel is the road. The car drives exactly the same no matter what you throw at it. Amazing suspension work, even in just the base model trim.
@@tricd0444 exactly :) quality .
One of the finest and no most realistic, functional German cars.. It had everything, boxy buff looks, classic style, great handling/brakes/steering feel and an amazing body with minimal body roll.. But the comfort was there!!
@@tricd0444 there's not gonna be a German car like that again.. Nor even Audis.. They are still good cars, well built and practically sophisticated (not always though) but there's simply no chance that they last as long or age as well. Sadly, modern cars have become like appliances in general (with few and often costly bright examples).. But hey! That's why know our stuff and like "old" cars!! Save the planet/Restore old quality metal!!
Martin Brundle said that the 190e cosworth “had one of the best chassis ever fitted to a four-door saloon.”
That was so long ago even he's forgotten he said that. All he remembers about the car now is that it was slow 😆
That's BS. He admitted he never said that about 190e cosworth. It's an urban legend.
Let's call him i've got his phone number here...
Lmfaoo that was the best when he called him on the spot
Nice top gear reference there
I'm 58 so I remember...... This one has eluded me in my 533i, 535is, tii, Jetta 16V history.... my buddy had one in the mid-90's when I has my first set of BMWs and the 16V Jetta and for some reason I want one more than I want an E30 M3.
8 seconds to 60 mph was rather quick for 1980's standards. Back then regular cars did 13 to 15 seconds to 60 mph.
Also, power was quite good for a time when most cars had 100 hp or less.
This! That dig at motorweek was out of place
Also those were American numbers, in Europe the car was tuned to be much faster. Emissions regulations really hamstrung this car hard. The race car version with the exact same engine was making 335 horsepower naturally aspirated.
Just LOVED this One Take, the 190e 2.3-16 is a hero car for me too.
Imagine a thief trying to steal this and drops it into reverse on take off
Bad idea!! Since the most of them belong to russian bodyguards and old timer boxers 😂
With looks as buff and square as the car itself!!
have to pull up on the shiftter to get into reverse. aka not going to happen accidentally
DTM from my era 👍 I love boxy euros.
190E Evo 2 is the best looking DTM car of all time.
Burt Sampson ya, I’d give my vote👍
Boxy euros like this beautiful lady here, or like Lancia integrale, e30 m3, old Sierras and escorts.. Classic/rally cars in general, are like a proper woman.. Full of presence, character and curves! 😉👌There's a primal element to their charisma!!
Thanks for the review. Really exciting to see the 2.3-16. I love those SL wheels on it.
Zack is doing a great job, if he didn’t take over we wouldn’t have One Takes at all, so thanks Zack.
88-92 DTM racecars we're badass and still badass till this day.
The E30 M3 gets all the attention. But for me, 190 EVO2 all day every day.
Nice video - thank you.
But guys, some points to comment on, from the heart of Mercedes-Benz (deep down from Stuttgart):
- all three cars "survived" the record chases in Nardò in August 1983 (Daimler-Benz did this not for the press, but to show how great this new 16 valve engine was (in early 1980s there were only a few on the market)
- these street records are still held today (247.xx kph over 25.000 kilometers; over 25.000 mls and over 50.000 kilometers in the fastest time), pretty pretty impressive - they continuously raced the oval race track in southern Italy for 201 hours
- the more rare variant within the US is the sliding roof (only in MY 86 and 87) - afterwards the roof was a sliding and tilt roof (like on 124 series)
- the oil temperature gauge in the center console indicates the engine oil temperatures, not from the transmission
Cheers!
This might be the cleanest 190e I’ve seen!
MY CHILDHOOD FRIENDS DAD HAD ONE OF THESE. NOTHING LIKE IT. YOUR GETTING A ONE OFF MERCEDES MANUAL RACE CAR!!! MY FRIEND USED TO POWER SHIFT THIS CAR, THAT FEELING STILL STAYS WITH ME TO THIS DAY. GET THE 190E🔥😎
Nice video, thanks Zach
Hi this message is for the owner make sure the timing chain tensioner guides etc are in good condition or has been replace because I owned one and the chain stretched and rubbed on a metal pin the that piece of metal fell into the oil pan then in my case the metal screen was detached from the oil pick up tube so the metal pin got sucked into the oil pump then major damage occurred on the crankshaft and cylinder head just make sure every think is ok this would be a shame that this would happen to you.
Looks like a relatively mint model, there was zero scary noises coming from it, and it looks like it's a Cali car, so it's most likely able to pass emissions. I wouldn't worry too much.
Hi thank you. It got all new timing chain and tensioners recently. That is a bummer, thanks for looking out.
Good video. But owning one the oil temp gauge is engine oil not trans oil. I love my car and the EVO 1 conversion is being completely now
2.5 Evolution👌👌
One of my all time favorite German cars. I love the styling.
Then there’s something else to say aside from how fun and unique this beautiful Mercedes is, there’s also the fact that they just don’t build cars with that kind of quality anymore. It’s a car you can take care of and it’ll take care of you forever
It's amazing how everyone still has the story about this car all wrong!
The steering wheel wobble at 8:54 makes me feel better about beating my car up when I’m mad. 😈
What always gets me with these is what a handsome car they are,on top of everything else. Bruno Sacco!
that car is amazing!! Forced BMW to create the M3.. The car that really put Aryton Senna on the map
The cars bad ass. Bow to mercedes back in the day. We own 5 of them 190e sportline, s500 lwb, 560sec, and 2 300 diesels w123s. Love old benz!
I've always loved this car. Hardly even see them even when they were new.
i always loved the way these look, i would absolutely have one of these.
5:53 - Perfect impression of John Davis (host of MotorWeek "We're glad to have you with us").
Awesome video! The owner and Zach both really knew their stuff. The car handled great and sounds so sexy. These cars should be selling for more than they are! Especially the rare clean examples like this one
I actually think Zack does a great job in the Podcast. He is funny and makes good comments. Has far as the one takes, he should ask the owners about the cars, instead he just regurgitates what he read in his research the night before. I get some owners freeze up but at least try to get the story behind the owner and why this car.
Great to see. Thanx
I have a euro version 1987. Only 110k on the clock. Owned for 20 year currently under full resto. In the best colour imo the blue over black not champain, the only 2 colours the 2.3 came in. Had to also get rid of the big ugly steering wheel for a smaller wooden momo. Hope mine turns out looking as beautiful as yours.
Dream car. A collector condition one is for sale here right now, it's about $60.000. I'll keep dreaming.
I need one of these. I've got an 87 190D Turbo, it needs an 87 190E Cossie to hang with.
Love that Zack car spots while he does 1 takes.
Zach is the best, need more Zach Attack!
One important word associated with this car I didn't see in the comments. "Senna" Nuff said.
Zach is killing it. Nice job.
Absolute dream car!
I had a bog standard 190E and it really was a great comfortable car, solid and handled nice.
Would just like to say "thank you to the dickhead who stole it" 😠
Wow I skipped a couple videos on this channel since Matt announced he was no longer going to shoot one takes, I had no idea this guy would pick it up. I am so fucking glad he did, I really enjoy the new host , he reminds me of Idubbbz for some reasons. I think I saw a R8 review he did back in the day.
Anyway great video!
I have been shying away from One Take since Zach took over the built cars and Matt has been doing the bought cars. Zach just didn't seem as knowledge and didn't grab my attention as well, and I don't watch the channel for the bought cars. That being said, Zach, good job on this review, I really enjoyed it. I'm going to start watching regularly again.
Like the fighting over Rose's analogy and glad your using it again. Kinda miss the echo slightly though lol awesome content as always Zach. Keep up the great work
This model keep going up in value!
Did you know that Martin Brundle said this was one of the best read drive chassis of any sedan! Really hope people get this reference...lol
It's mechanical multi-point fuel injection (k-jet) controlled by electronics (ecu) not real EFI like nowadays :) I daily drive a 2.3 8v and love it,it's a momentum car,,this must be really great to drive with the extra hp and nm.
...then there's the 190E 2.6 (6 cylinder 2.6 - the same engine as the W124 260E larger bodied car) with 124kW (167hp) @ 5800rpm
and 228Nm @ 4600rpm vs the 190E 2.0 with 89kW (120hp) @ 5100rpm and 175Nm @ 3500rpm.
And the 1.8 109 hp or 80 kW @ 5500 rpm ,150 Nm or 110 lb.ft @ 3700 rpm.The early ones are 190 without the E,meaning they are carburetor (80 hp or 66 kW @ 5000 rpm,165 Nm or 121 lb.ft @ 3500 rpm).
@@ryn0287 I think we've just about covered everything there :) 190E: I can't say enough good things about that series of cars in their looks and engineering aspects (2.3 and 2.6 are the pick of the bunch for daily drivers town and highway driving). Great that they're not front wheel drive yet are a 4 or 6 cylinder small to medium sized German saloon.
You need to put that 190e against a contemporary 205 GTI and see whats what :D
Zack s killing it. Awesome ...
Come on don't forget the Daddy from the era...The Sierra Cosworth!
Not available in the US market
Bet that Ford build quality has aged well...
@voice of reason I have a friend who had a Merkur XR4Ti of the same era, and that did not hold up well...AT ALL. Literally fell apart. To quote him -> "Worst car ever"
@voice of reason He bought the car new, and after four years it was already in bad shape.
@@bwest6275 agree with you bro. My cousin had an XR4Ti and it was a POS. I remember fondly all the times it had to be taken into service due to manufacturing defects. Plus, the interior was pure crap. If the end goal is pure speed, sure, a boosted car is much easier to mod than a NA engine. But IMHO a 190e is leagues better in quality and overall engineering. A reason why people sure have forgotten the Sierra.
Man I️ miss my 2.6 e30 had 270k miles and still ran like a champ !
Zack is cool. He is giving it everything.
These were absolute beasts in DTM. The sound of the intake is pure sex.
Intake plenum droning like mad at full throttle especially in cold weather!! Greatness!!
still beautiful after 2 decades almost 3
Whatever everyone is saying about missing Matt, I liked the video Zach! Keep it up!
As a 190E 2.3-16v owner i love my Cosworth.
Don’t ever sell it! Or if you do, I’ll buy it.
Finally a 16V on the channel 👍👍
I wish they had used a euro spec 16v instead.
We call that a Racing 'Box ( 'box = gearbox) -- I would never mistake it for an inline-6, sounds totally different
The steering is for AMG produced by Momo. Cost a fortune too.
The 04-06 GTO also had heavily bolstered rear seats like that.
that down shift higher sound scares me a little!
this is special i had merc 190 with a2.5 diesel engine its a 5 banger for its time verry good
A wood steering wheel would look dope
I once had the opportunity to buy one (same colour and year, but rotten side sills) for 3200 Euro's which I then deemed 'too expensive".
One of the few things in my life that I regret sincerely. They sky-rocketed in price a year after and now I cannot justify buying one over other cars in that price range...
have a sub, love how the driver knows all the stats
I love autoweek retro videos. They do tend to favor American cars but to be objective 180hp, 16v racing engine, coming out of the malaise era I would’ve been excited too.
Had a 87 and 93 190e 8valve unfortunately but alot of fun. Rwd too
Another great video Zack. Thanks man.
The GOAT. Period.
Zack youre doing a great job on these vids
I mean over 150hp was high for 80s Mercs and I think one of the charms of the 16v is the plain look, if you would take the wing off it will look like normal 190E if you dont know the exterior changes.
The W201 is very similar to W124 (E-class) and 190E was a test mule (atleast what I have read) for the upcoming E-class like the 5 link suspension
Owned one. It was very hard run and came to me wearing shitty lexani knockoff 19’s. Rectified the ground control and a few other things and had a great time. Rust won the day though and I sold it for what I paid to someone interested in the drivetrain. If I had the chance to jump on a clean one or the later 2.5 I’d take it at any reasonable price
2.5-16 demands a 10-20k premium. Any clean one demands almost as much, even for just the base model. A clean one in good running condition is going to run you $5,000 easy. And you'll have to look long and hard for it. Hurry up and jump on the wagon, I have a feeling it only goes up from here.
These motors simply don't stop
Zack is more excited then the owner :)
I'm thinking of getting a 190e as a first car. Anything I should worry about? My dad works with cars specifically Mercedes so repairs aren't an issue. Love the design
one of the best looking cars
I would put this on the level of the BMW E38 750 IL. The V12 was a cruiser not a speed demon. I did have a custom Stainless Steel Exhaust made by Tomie for it. Now before you bash me this Cosworth powered Benz is amazing reqaurdless but not a speed demon. I have hade a W124 Wagon that I put the AMG V8 in it. Iconic cars forever
The owner doesn't seem to enjoy the ride that much lol.
Whaaaat!? On my wall when i was i kid! Damn that still looks pretty darn good if i do say so myself
Only the Zylinderhead was made by Cosworth, Rest of the Engine is made by Mercedes. :)
Great Video, and Great Car! Got the same one, but 185 HP.
Greez from Benztown Sindelfingen ⭐️
Zach knows more about the car than the owner himself
My favorite Mercedes. LOVE IT. You can find them reasonably priced too....👍👍👍
There's one with 150k miles for 19k€. So basically the market for these cars is already infested by collectors. If you want to buy something that keeps its' value, sure. If you're looking to drive something you can get a 2008 c-class for the same money. Modding one isn't worth it and ruins the value and a stock one just lacks way to much power for driving it on the autobahn and racetracks.
man that's not true. Compared to similar cars of its age these things command a $10-15k premium. You could buy a 335i for the same price and less mileage
NOT cheap
@@papa_pt Yeah but you can interpret anything into a "reasonable" price. Is the 100,000$ pricetag on an E30 M3 reasonable? Probably not. Is the 15-25k€ (EU) 190E pricetag reasonable? Probably not because it's 20 years older than similar cars in its' pricerange, but in relation to the E30 M3s pricetag it is indeed reasonable. Overall I'd say it's overpriced as hell just like any other collectable german car, but then again if you substract inflation from the 25k€ pricetag the car actually just kept its' value, it didn't appreciate nor depreciate. Today salaries in germany are at a 1997 level, but if the economy had no tendencies towards slavery then we would be earning twice as much money today and in that case the price for this car would be very reasonable. So I'd say it's not unreasonable for what it is but since salaries are continuously dropping (80-100% real inflation since 2000 in germany) at some point even a ford fiesta will be pretty much unaffordable without a loan.
@@アマ-p2l wow I will have to look that up regarding Germany. I did not know it had gotten so bad...wages have somewhat stagnated in the U.S. as well but you have to remember that your dollar generally gets you a lot more product than what it used to (regarding tech at least).
Any car that is already getting collector speculation +$$$$ is in general not reasonable to most other cars of it's era. I DO agree that compared to the E30 specifically it looks reasonable
@@papa_pt Yeah I never ran into anyone in the US who knew about real economy problems in the EU, I barely met US citizens who realized what's going on in their own country. Compared to the E30 the price seems cheap but the E30 is so much more desireable so yeah I'd say it sits in the exact type of nonesense price category where it belongs in todays' market. You get faster, better cars for less money but it's like a vintage CD from some famous band they are all getting bought up because they keep at least twice as much value as any money printed on paper and the downside is noone will use them for what they were created for. Like that 190E EVO2 with 5k KMs on it which sold for 220,000$.
Mercedes nerd here, the self-leveling came from the S class or station wagons, of those years, the system wasn't terribly rare and you can find parts at junkyards for cheap,
One of the finest rear drive handling cars ever according to f1 legend martin brundle
I had the option to buy one of these at a ridiculously good price a few years ago and passed. Still kicking myself.
For how much ?
you need to review the 2.6 16v!!!
my boy Zach!
Image 3 years ago talking about how crazy the car market is getting
It would probably ruin it as a collector car but i'd turbo the sh1t out of that car and tune the suspension and make it what it wants to be...
why not just get a regular 190 and put a 3.2 m104 in? 230hp in a small car is alright.
and it's cheap.
Everything I've researched says the m104 is better suited for boost. Slightly easier to make the compression ratio right, higher boost potential, and if you can find a flywheel for it, will bolt up to the same dogleg transmission as seen in the 2.3-16.
That being said, I remember a few years back there was only a couple of flywheels left in a warehouse in Germany. Mercedes was asking $600+ tax and shipping. In comparison, You can find the transmission itself, complete with 4 cylinder flywheel, pedals, master cylinder, linkages, and a shift knob for around $1,000 fairly regularly. Either way you go, you end up basically having to fabricate your own exhaust system and intake system. There's no simple provisions for boost control or fueling adjustment without delving into the Bosch fuel system. Even then, you're working with 60's and 70's mechanical injection with a couple of electronic band-aids on it. The system is super finnicky, and needs to be in basically pristine condition to run well, or to run at all under boost.
As far as suspension goes, there's one or two companies with coilover conversion kits available, tuned to your own personal corner weight, for $1,000-$2,000, or you can pick any of a number of coil springs from an R134, W124, etc. and cut to length.
There's really 2 different chassis, the 4 cylinder chassis, and the 6 cylinder chassis. The 6 cylinder has a removable upper radiator support which is basically mandatory for the motor/trans to come in and out. The 4 cylinder without the removable support is even a rather close squeeze in the first place.
Great car, fantastic if it's running perfectly, fantastic if you modify it to run perfectly, and a vast amount of knowledge and information available in the aftermarket. Makes it hard to want to continue to go through with selling mine...
You only need about 300 - 320 hp - the car weighs about as much as a 85 Honda Civic - which would be in power to weight ratio the equivalence of 500hp over all - that’s with all the interior, a race prep would be more - NA is good - but expensive to get this type of power , boost the 2.3 8v its built for it ;-)
I remember driving a friend's 4g63 swapped W201 190e.. Beast!! It's unexpectedly light for its size but very well composed as well and having crashed in one of those.. It's a very safe car!! I am about to start helping turbo my mates 190e later this year.. But it's a long way to go.. (Damned K Jetronic!!!)
@@gregorp8406 I'd never try to turbo a stock ke jetronic it has to be very hard to tune right
So Iconic One The Best Ever
When he said cosworth I was thinking it must have a group a engine
1992 DTM version of this sounded nice cosworth engine.
Imagine an AMG version of this, love the sharp square design
@Delight Galore I believe it was a inline 6 actually. My dad has an inline 4 190e
@@snoopy5736 Yup, it was 3.2 I6 engine with something around 230 hp. V8 would never fir into this small engine bay.
@ The Hammer is based on the mid-sized 300E (now called E-Class). Completely different chassis.
@ Ah, I read it as he wanted an AMG 190E.
@ Meh. Doesn't much matter. Either way, he's probably got the answer that he's looking for. lol
That 4cyl does sound good. In an odd way it reminds of a 4age(when its down low).
id never be heavy on these 40-50km hr all day 🎉