That induction noise is superb and the exhaust really compliments the car. Couldn't care less about the on paper figures being quite modest, the sound and responsiveness is sure to make up for that :)
As a e30 m3 owner and m5 owner. This is the only merc im seriously looking at adding to my garage. These are the same age as me. What an era for german cars the 80s was.
@@smh1245 The comment was about metal exhaust tip not entire system. Some premium cars today have two regular pipes hidden behind bumper and fake exhaust tips. And also about sound. It is possible today to make car that have good sound note, but the sound muffling and isolation is so dense that now they are putting speakers to simulate engine noise.
The 16V is on my list of ‘the fifteen cars I could afford ten-fifteen years ago but did not buy and I deeply regret’. I still had a 1985 2.0 auto and I loved it, apart from the uncomfortable seats.
My Dad & I are finally getting round to sorting the restoration of his 2.3-16 that's been in the family for over 30 years now. Just came back to watch this as worthwhile inspiration. The entire 190 16v lineup are something special. Would kill to modify the 2.3 to get closer to the performance of the 2.5 power-pack, just to squeeze a bit more out of it.
Thanks to JayEmm for a super day! great to give the car a run out and as a former 500e owner all I can say is the 190 Evolution is completely different gravy to drive..
The induction noise and the sound from that modest looking tailpipe is intoxicating! This car is from an era when the driver drove the car when pomp armed to our digital and computer aided cars that drives its self. Iconic E190 evo
Thanks for the review on this 80s hero car!, as a kid I wasn't too interested in Ferrari and lambo's etc. They just seems too unobtainable this and the E30 M3, Ur Audi Quattro(sport quattro), and Sierra Rs500 it seemed like one day you could own one if I saved all my pocket and paperound money I could afford one..
my great uncle had one a 85 190e 2.3 5 speed in the us here imported from Germany after the service; what a car, always wanted to drive/ or own an evo 1 or 2
I feel like I'm going to regret watching your channel because it is so damn pleasant. Your are like a Clarkson who knows how to chill. A Hammond without little man syndrome. A May who isn't stuck. Bravo mate. Bravo.
I had all so a amg power pack 25,000 DM for the upgrade that time😍😍 245 km on 4 gear to the 5 gear and than a full gear to go and back shifts its spitting fire
Friend of mine (Cosworth Phil) used to have an RS 500 Cosworth. He had the option to buy either his Sierra, BMW M3 E30, and the Cosworth 190E. Make matters worst he sold the car to Ford at Dartford a year or so later for the same price he’d paid for the car new. Probably worth over 100k now. Great video James
You’ve got yourself a classic review right there! Type of video you can come back to. A legendary DTM special screaming down on British back roads. Couldn’t do wrong with it really.
If I bought this thing, first thing is a visit to the exhaust shop and remove one of the mufflers on that system and just enjoy the sound. Give the people what they want...!
I am far from being a Merc fan, but this thing is one of my all time favourite cars. Fast enough, but not so fast that it's boring at any legal speed (my biggest complaint about my current car, yes that makes me spoiled) and it's got just the right amount of frilly bits to tell you what it is without being quite as OTT as the Evo II. Have to comment on one other thing- "I've knackered my driving shoes" tells you that you're in the right job ☺
Been a while since I saw one of these..... and the guy that owned it, well, no idea what modifications he had done but the end result was a premature death 😡😡. Glad to see one that survived. Thanks 👍
That exhaust is phenomenal, and not just for being lightweight. Y merge right after the headers, where it makes most sense, then what looks to be "gruppe A" 65mm single pipe rest of the way. Sounds just right, not obnoxious, and for that might even get a slap on the wrist pass in countries that demand E/EC mark and papers.
Designed before the computers that simulate vehicular aerodynamics were designed! Which is why it looks awesome. No natural inclination to trend towards a wedge shape. They had testing tunnels for aerodynamics back then, sure, but the car design process these days has caused a homogenization of design, to some extent. The natural progression of the evolution of design for aerodynamics has taken us to the wEDGE (and back a bit, you could argue too)! I guess it might not be the fault of the design process and more an increased status of importance being bestowed by manufacturers on speed and performance, and thus aerodynamics as a factor of achieving required performance levels. Not all manufacturers, mind, but some have gone all wedgy. Some more than others, too... That's my contribution. Thanks for sharing the video. Was great to see this classic being driven as it was intended - with its awesome 'soundtrack' - rather than just ogling it stationary. I really appreciated that. 👍
My father, who's eighty, had one of these. He owned well over fifty cars in his life excluding race cars, and he told me that the 190E was the best car he had. He did own a lot of Alfas so perhaps has low standards.
Hi james, big follower since the last few months of your channel. I really love your videos and there are quite a few id thought to comment on(like the 4.8is one where the limpmode was on...). Well the brakes are actually rated quite good...being 4 pot calipers and such...mabe rubbers and brakepads didnt give you a good idea. Btw if you ever decide to come to germany for a test, we could organise a ride in some of amgs premerger w201s with 2.6(@185hp) to 3.6-12(@250hp) or even a 3.6-24v or 5.5 m113 one. This said, about the cars...w201 has quite a community.
I'm an e30 guy... The m3 for me is my favourite but is now a lottery win due to the way the prices have just gone crazy lol. That said, the 190 cosworth is a close second definitely.! I think one of the greatest cars ever made personally. Someone else touched on this in the comments, the e30 m3, these and the audi s1 quattro, special machines. You definitely need to get an e30 m3 on the channel now mate and see how it feels.... I can't afford one now sadly. Prices have gone insane. But I have built myself a v8 e30 2 door for fun 😁
It would nice if you did some standing close ups of the cars man, most of us are car enthusiasts and your videos are cool just, lack of visual details of the cars featured, otherwise the rest is gold mate
I actually like this one a lot more than the Evo II's bizzare aero. I know it's for aerodynamics reason but I just love the subtler look on Evo I more.
I had a brand new Isuzu I-Mark Turboin 1987, and man, that thing was quick. The thing at the time was the 5.0 liter mustang, and thus little car always smoked them off the line.
The 2.5-16v was the mark two 190e evo. The first was the 2.3-16v 190e evo. An if I remember rightly their was another reworking of the version 2 with a bigger build kit and more power. Still a beautiful car tho and fast.
Someone please let Jay review a proper AMG Hammer. And then let me come too lol. Love these, the sound is intoxicating, and the way it looks. Park this next to most modern cars, I'm looking at this.
Jack The Hat Well, those are REALLY special, hard to find, and even more someone to borrow it from. Regardless, I'd also like to see it on the channel.
@@apexseal2811 yep I don't think there are many around sadly. I've only read about them in a book I used to have. Picture was of it going sideways. Epic machines.
Looked at this car similar this but was a 2.5 cosworth, the other week. can’t believe I could have got a minter for a £1500 in 2003. This is a beauty if only I knew now that they would be a classic high return on sale. I could have that a mint Bmw e30 M30 for £5000
Apparently Martin Brundle himself said that this is the finest rear drive chassis saloon ever made!!!!!!!! Well, that's what James May said at least (I know its not actually the same model, but I don't care)
Missing the AMG Pack exhaust (Vital component of the AMG Pack), so it may not be an AMG Pack car. The AMG sparkplug cover was fairly easy to obtain back in the day, so documentation would be important to determine its authenticity. Even then, hopefully the factory AMG exhaust was preserved, so it can be re-installed! Otherwise, it looks like a VERY clean Evo 1.
Original AMG PP build docs present confirming engine/vin number build dates etc Titanium exhaust is a work of art,quiet at idle and unobtrusive on a cruise with no boom at any part of the rev range but sounds wonderful when extended.Whoever did this exhaust really knew what they were doing..
Great video and ohh what an 'old skool' DTM classic: absolutely don't make em like this anymore...as they say proper German over engineering at its simplicity best!! Thanks for sharing.. Any Chance of an Evolution 2........please.
Love your content Jay and anything Motorsport or group B inspired is fine with me. Talking of S2000s, what about an NSX next? (Just not an auto). Happy Xmas!
Some correction are needed though. You are correct about facts especially that 2.5-16v isnt a Cossie(2.3-16 is) which you don't often hear admitted from Brits. Also propagated by the fact Mercedes stuck the Cossie sticker on all western models because they sold much easier like that especially in the UK. However your Conception story is off. Mercedes participated in Rally for a long time before the 190 With heavy cars sporting V8s They saw small cars like escorts and Lancia have comparable times due to laws of physics. Simply On loose ground power isnt as beneficial and weight is very detrimental. So w201 Was designed to Go to rally, not taken and modified from a standard car deigned for shopping. You can see that if you Take a regular consumer suspension 190 and drive fast on farm roads. That's why it is really good on bad roads- Multilink. Audi came and ruined it for all So Mercedes decided Well we aren't gonna throw away a Multi Million Mark project to sell as a small economy sedan. And went DTM. BMW E30 was a response to that. As the 190 is still a Mercedes it was always a better Car so it dictated a high price ,but the lack of significant performance advantage over the E30 made the E30 more popular as a more accessible car to have. Underdog mentality. For Example South Africans Glorify Opel Kadett GSI as it did the same. Competed head to head with a BMW E30 which was a Much more expensive car unobtainable by commoners. (Note that this isn't my preference but a state of fact. BMW wasn't considered by Germans to be a Premium car up until last maybe 10 years. Still questionable.That's due to decisions to make the cars Sporty rather than Comfortable and content rich in low spec trims like Audi and Mercedes) Simply if you wanna go fast You Aren't wrong buying either. But if you wanna go fast and not have Chronic professional driver illnesses Buy the Merc. They are both Equally fast though.
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That induction noise is superb and the exhaust really compliments the car. Couldn't care less about the on paper figures being quite modest, the sound and responsiveness is sure to make up for that :)
And so they do. It still feels punchy enough for back roads
Couldn't agree more. 👍
As a e30 m3 owner and m5 owner. This is the only merc im seriously looking at adding to my garage. These are the same age as me. What an era for german cars the 80s was.
A more civilized Mercedes from more civilized times when they could put real exhaust.
Did you mean to say " An elegant weapon for a more civilized age"?
Foosa dee Cat yep
@@smh1245 The comment was about metal exhaust tip not entire system. Some premium cars today have two regular pipes hidden behind bumper and fake exhaust tips.
And also about sound. It is possible today to make car that have good sound note, but the sound muffling and isolation is so dense that now they are putting speakers to simulate engine noise.
One of the best-sounding 'fours' I've ever heard.
My parents had a black 190E 2.0, bought new in 1985, when I was little. I love this car!
The 16V is on my list of ‘the fifteen cars I could afford ten-fifteen years ago but did not buy and I deeply regret’. I still had a 1985 2.0 auto and I loved it, apart from the uncomfortable seats.
190E is my fav Merc ever! Especially the DTM one
My Dad & I are finally getting round to sorting the restoration of his 2.3-16 that's been in the family for over 30 years now. Just came back to watch this as worthwhile inspiration. The entire 190 16v lineup are something special. Would kill to modify the 2.3 to get closer to the performance of the 2.5 power-pack, just to squeeze a bit more out of it.
Thanks to JayEmm for a super day! great to give the car a run out and as a former 500e owner all I can say is the 190 Evolution is completely different gravy to drive..
The induction noise and the sound from that modest looking tailpipe is intoxicating! This car is from an era when the driver drove the car when pomp armed to our digital and computer aided cars that drives its self. Iconic E190 evo
This is one of the absolute GOAT cars. Absolutely love your videos and I was absolutely giddy watching you drive this masterpiece of a car.
Cheers George, it was a hell of a day
@@JayEmmOnCars That car looks incredible fun to test.
E30 m3 is a must now.
Btw nice video, like most of your videos. Looking forward to the next one.
Next one is equally amazing I think
Corr, it's in top nick, this motor, inside, outside and underneath. Spotless.
This calls for an E30 M3 review! I happen to have one, you’re welcome to feature it. Located in Germany...
Needs to be a Sport Evolution
Thanks for the review on this 80s hero car!, as a kid I wasn't too interested in Ferrari and lambo's etc. They just seems too unobtainable this and the E30 M3, Ur Audi Quattro(sport quattro), and Sierra Rs500 it seemed like one day you could own one if I saved all my pocket and paperound money I could afford one..
One of my favorite AMG-Mercedes!
my great uncle had one a 85 190e 2.3 5 speed in the us here imported from Germany after the service; what a car, always wanted to drive/ or own an evo 1 or 2
I feel like I'm going to regret watching your channel because it is so damn pleasant. Your are like a Clarkson who knows how to chill. A Hammond without little man syndrome. A May who isn't stuck.
Bravo mate. Bravo.
Cheers, I can see you working your way through the videos!
The only thing the 190E 2.5-16 Evo I has got of AMG is the option of the Power Pack; the rest is pure Mercedes-Benz
I had all so a amg power pack 25,000 DM for the upgrade that time😍😍 245 km on 4 gear to the 5 gear and than a full gear to go and back shifts its spitting fire
Friend of mine (Cosworth Phil) used to have an RS 500 Cosworth. He had the option to buy either his Sierra, BMW M3 E30, and the Cosworth 190E.
Make matters worst he sold the car to Ford at Dartford a year or so later for the same price he’d paid for the car new. Probably worth over 100k now.
Great video James
Sorry couldn’t be there on the day but pleased you had a great time filming Jayemm see you soon
So glad I’ve came across your channel the last couple days. Unbelievable production quality, with fantastic description and journalism !
You’ve got yourself a classic review right there! Type of video you can come back to. A legendary DTM special screaming down on British back roads. Couldn’t do wrong with it really.
It was most enjoyable to film, and to edit. One of my favourite videos to date.
"1980s visibility" - not heard that before, but makes great sense. Good channel, this one! 👍
It's true though. None of those pesky life saving pillars getting in the way lol.
If I bought this thing, first thing is a visit to the exhaust shop and remove one of the mufflers on that system and just enjoy the sound. Give the people what they want...!
Fantastic punditry my man. Very enjoyable
ooh yes, what a beast .. keep toying with trying to find a nice 190 .. you may have just inspired me
Good luck in the hunt!
I am far from being a Merc fan, but this thing is one of my all time favourite cars. Fast enough, but not so fast that it's boring at any legal speed (my biggest complaint about my current car, yes that makes me spoiled) and it's got just the right amount of frilly bits to tell you what it is without being quite as OTT as the Evo II.
Have to comment on one other thing- "I've knackered my driving shoes" tells you that you're in the right job ☺
Been a while since I saw one of these..... and the guy that owned it, well, no idea what modifications he had done but the end result was a premature death 😡😡. Glad to see one that survived. Thanks 👍
Thank you for this review.... definitely the OG... amazing machine
That exhaust is phenomenal, and not just for being lightweight. Y merge right after the headers, where it makes most sense, then what looks to be "gruppe A" 65mm single pipe rest of the way. Sounds just right, not obnoxious, and for that might even get a slap on the wrist pass in countries that demand E/EC mark and papers.
Got to be one of the best sounding four bangers out there.
In 2003 I owned one of these and I was only 19 years old.. owned it for 5 years. Been missing it ever since and my biggest car selling mistake ever..
These and the B18c5 and K20 are the best sounding I4 engines ever.
JayEmm brought me here lol.
What a car. Talk about a car being more than the sum of its parts...though that sum is substantial in this case.
Great review. What a great sounding 4 cylinder Mercedes.
Designed before the computers that simulate vehicular aerodynamics were designed! Which is why it looks awesome. No natural inclination to trend towards a wedge shape. They had testing tunnels for aerodynamics back then, sure, but the car design process these days has caused a homogenization of design, to some extent. The natural progression of the evolution of design for aerodynamics has taken us to the wEDGE (and back a bit, you could argue too)!
I guess it might not be the fault of the design process and more an increased status of importance being bestowed by manufacturers on speed and performance, and thus aerodynamics as a factor of achieving required performance levels.
Not all manufacturers, mind, but some have gone all wedgy. Some more than others, too...
That's my contribution. Thanks for sharing the video. Was great to see this classic being driven as it was intended - with its awesome 'soundtrack' - rather than just ogling it stationary. I really appreciated that. 👍
My father, who's eighty, had one of these. He owned well over fifty cars in his life excluding race cars, and he told me that the 190E was the best car he had. He did own a lot of Alfas so perhaps has low standards.
Yes, I think you did a great job with this clip. I must say, though, you are great at what you do. I am looking forward to your next project.
Martin Brundle, the former Formula One driver, said that this car had one of the best chassis ever fitted to a four-door saloon.
Thank you for this
The denied it when James May phoned him up 😂
Love those old mercs classic styling unique 👌😎💪
Good video, absolutely love the 190e
One of my faveour cars O.A.T, absolut iconic
Hi james, big follower since the last few months of your channel. I really love your videos and there are quite a few id thought to comment on(like the 4.8is one where the limpmode was on...). Well the brakes are actually rated quite good...being 4 pot calipers and such...mabe rubbers and brakepads didnt give you a good idea. Btw if you ever decide to come to germany for a test, we could organise a ride in some of amgs premerger w201s with 2.6(@185hp) to 3.6-12(@250hp) or even a 3.6-24v or 5.5 m113 one. This said, about the cars...w201 has quite a community.
The best Sport Sedan Mercedes with the 500E W124
Really great video of this awesome car
My brother in-laws used to have a replica when I was young boy that's the only reason I actually knew about them
One of my favorite cars!! Thanks for reviewing it.
I'm an e30 guy... The m3 for me is my favourite but is now a lottery win due to the way the prices have just gone crazy lol. That said, the 190 cosworth is a close second definitely.! I think one of the greatest cars ever made personally. Someone else touched on this in the comments, the e30 m3, these and the audi s1 quattro, special machines. You definitely need to get an e30 m3 on the channel now mate and see how it feels....
I can't afford one now sadly. Prices have gone insane. But I have built myself a v8 e30 2 door for fun 😁
As an American, I don’t feel it’s a proper car program unless the host is English. Thank you!
I quite agree
It would nice if you did some standing close ups of the cars man, most of us are car enthusiasts and your videos are cool just, lack of visual details of the cars featured, otherwise the rest is gold mate
I actually like this one a lot more than the Evo II's bizzare aero. I know it's for aerodynamics reason but I just love the subtler look on Evo I more.
I had a brand new Isuzu I-Mark Turboin 1987, and man, that thing was quick. The thing at the time was the 5.0 liter mustang, and thus little car always smoked them off the line.
The 2.5-16v was the mark two 190e evo. The first was the 2.3-16v 190e evo. An if I remember rightly their was another reworking of the version 2 with a bigger build kit and more power.
Still a beautiful car tho and fast.
Great change from four weeks of lockdown decorating 🙄 Thanks for the prompt
Someone please let Jay review a proper AMG Hammer. And then let me come too lol.
Love these, the sound is intoxicating, and the way it looks. Park this next to most modern cars, I'm looking at this.
Jack The Hat Well, those are REALLY special, hard to find, and even more someone to borrow it from. Regardless, I'd also like to see it on the channel.
@@apexseal2811 yep I don't think there are many around sadly. I've only read about them in a book I used to have. Picture was of it going sideways. Epic machines.
Stunning car !
Looked at this car similar this but was a 2.5 cosworth, the other week. can’t believe I could have got a minter for a £1500 in 2003. This is a beauty if only I knew now that they would be a classic high return on sale. I could have that a mint Bmw e30 M30 for £5000
What a car!!
thanks for this video. there are not much of 190e review.
a very handsome car, exactly what a merc should be like
James please do a homologation series, e.g Celica Gt4 Carlos sainz, cosworths etc
Jay - I am really enjoying the excellent content. You are just a pure enthusiast and have a great style. Keep it up!!
Another great review. Love seeing your take on these classics. Also be interested to see your take on a 140i
I've done 140i reviews
@@JayEmmOnCars off to that video I go
Absolutely dream car material this is!
P.s. apparently 1 A-class AMG owner watched that video...
Very cool, I don’t think these AMG fettled cars came to America? We got the Cosworth cars, and only very few....just LOVE these cars, always have!
There is nothing quite like the sound of a highly tuned twin cam four cylinder engine up above six thousand rpm.
Great review!
like your work, keep it up
Great review, just one fault you made with this one, its the induction noice thats important with this AMG, not the exhaust.
10:00 well if you think the race version did close to 10,000rpm then 7500 will indeed leave it with the feeling of more to give
Best of Evo2
Apparently Martin Brundle himself said that this is the finest rear drive chassis saloon ever made!!!!!!!! Well, that's what James May said at least (I know its not actually the same model, but I don't care)
More of this, please!
what a monster
14:32 I really don't get why a lot of people don't like four cylinder engines. Sounds good to me!
This isnt a normal four pot
Seriously exotic car that.
I always preferred the 190E Cosworth to the E30 M3 as a kid, even though the M3 was quicker and my opinion hasn't changed, this car is awesome IMO.
Both cool but M3 all day long
@@2702simmo I preferred the E28 M5 to the M3, I like 4 door saloons so the E30 325i was my choice of that range.
why can't manufacturers make cars like this today 😕
Missing the AMG Pack exhaust (Vital component of the AMG Pack), so it may not be an AMG Pack car. The AMG sparkplug cover was fairly easy to obtain back in the day, so documentation would be important to determine its authenticity. Even then, hopefully the factory AMG exhaust was preserved, so it can be re-installed! Otherwise, it looks like a VERY clean Evo 1.
It's definitely a power pack car, with the documentation to support
That would be terrific! How about the original exhaust?
@@AutobahnVault Long gone unfortunately.
@@JayEmmOnCars Regardless, awesome Evo 1. A true childhood hero.
Original AMG PP build docs present confirming engine/vin number build dates etc Titanium exhaust is a work of art,quiet at idle and unobtrusive on a cruise with no boom at any part of the rev range but sounds wonderful when extended.Whoever did this exhaust really knew what they were doing..
Amazing car and a really cool video..thank you
Nice!!!
The spiky-haired little race car brother of my 500E.
really wish you demonstrated the II
Have you got one?
Sensible size and useable virtually everywhere unlike today’s inflated types.
Fabulous 👍
Great video and ohh what an 'old skool' DTM classic: absolutely don't make em like this anymore...as they say proper German over engineering at its simplicity best!! Thanks for sharing.. Any Chance of an Evolution 2........please.
i am a avid benz boy i have had a few great shape old school gems
all honesty i like doing like 40-50km hr all day no speeds to ruin stuff ❤
Love that Steve McQueen shirt, James (video's the usual great too!)
I've always thought the name was "Sport Evolution" but that Evo I came into being after the Evolution II was released.
You are correct about the « sport evolution » name
Very cool and beautiful car ☺
Yea, I hope someone offers a E30 M3. But you should do a E36 M3 Evo (3.2) aswell.
Love your content Jay and anything Motorsport or group B inspired is fine with me. Talking of S2000s, what about an NSX next? (Just not an auto). Happy Xmas!
I've driven the first gen NSX
I see you've done the nsx already. And a 300bjp MR2! GENIUS 👍🏼
yeah Bro ,,, you one lucky guy
lovely car - great post
Wow amazing car mate I envy you
Love this car
God that thing is gorgeous...
Some correction are needed though.
You are correct about facts especially that 2.5-16v isnt a Cossie(2.3-16 is) which you don't often hear admitted from Brits.
Also propagated by the fact Mercedes stuck the Cossie sticker on all western models because they sold much easier like that especially in the UK.
However your Conception story is off.
Mercedes participated in Rally for a long time before the 190
With heavy cars sporting V8s
They saw small cars like escorts and Lancia have comparable times due to laws of physics. Simply On loose ground power isnt as beneficial and weight is very detrimental.
So w201 Was designed to Go to rally, not taken and modified from a standard car deigned for shopping.
You can see that if you Take a regular consumer suspension 190 and drive fast on farm roads.
That's why it is really good on bad roads- Multilink.
Audi came and ruined it for all So Mercedes decided Well we aren't gonna throw away a Multi Million Mark project to sell as a small economy sedan. And went DTM.
BMW E30 was a response to that.
As the 190 is still a Mercedes it was always a better Car so it dictated a high price ,but the lack of significant performance advantage over the E30 made the E30 more popular as a more accessible car to have. Underdog mentality. For Example South Africans Glorify Opel Kadett GSI as it did the same. Competed head to head with a BMW E30 which was a Much more expensive car unobtainable by commoners.
(Note that this isn't my preference but a state of fact. BMW wasn't considered by Germans to be a Premium car up until last maybe 10 years. Still questionable.That's due to decisions to make the cars Sporty rather than Comfortable and content rich in low spec trims like Audi and Mercedes)
Simply if you wanna go fast You Aren't wrong buying either. But if you wanna go fast and not have Chronic professional driver illnesses Buy the Merc.
They are both Equally fast though.