Pairing of tools is a better option to me. Example, turning a screw while holding the other side of the fastener. Also, as companies like Leatherman increase their prices this is becoming a less expensive option.
That's one of the reasons why I don't want a bit driver on my pocket knife or multitool. With that being said I only carry a full sized multitool at work, and am also somebody who will try to grab a regular tool whenever I can. At work I have my leatherman bond , a 4" adjustable, and a GM powertorque bit ratchet with a ph2 and a 5/16 bit. I just need the ability to have a driver on both ends of a fastener or driver and wrench on either end of a fastener. If I need more I go to the toolbag in my locker. EDC for me us also just things I can carry on my person, I don't need things with me that have to go in a bag...ect which isn't something I carry.
I've come around to this point of view. I now carry a heavy duty multitool (Leatherman Surge, Gerber Dual Force or SOG Power Access Deluxe), cheap AAA flashlight and Knipex XS plier wrench. I can get a lot of things done with this kit.
To your statement about the quality of Victorinox I will add the longevity. I have a Camper model that I have carried since I was a kid, more than 60 years ago. Sure it has a few dings and scratches (so do I!) but it is still perfectly usable. As far as the three things that you are looking for, I might be in the minority, but I actually don't like pocket clips. They often create hot spots if using the tool for an extended period of time. I am neutral about locking blades and one-hand opening. They are nice but not really important to me.
1. Here's the thing about locking blades: they're illegal to carry in a lot of countries, particularly here in Europe (where Victorinox is based). Any such model would be at a disadvantage in terms of sales. 2. Victorinox will be doing the same thing they've been in the SAK lineup: having models that are ALMOST there, almost perfect but one or two crucial functions will be missing in each of them to make sure you don't stop at having only one. 3. Can Victorinox be beat? Yes and the origins of Leatherman is the proof. Tim Leatherman identified areas where a SAK is not enough. To anyone with the money and expertise to challenge Victorinox: don't just build a SAK clone. Oh and don't fall into the Gerber problem: where your product looks really good but the quality is poor.
All good points, 1 to 3. An interesting thing about number 2 is that, although the reason I carry a Swisschamp is because it is, for most practical purposes, "the whole kitchen sink without compromises", I still buy multiple Victorinox products anyway. I own more than one Swisschamp, I own several Swiss Tools, and I own a Super Tinker and a Classic. Victorinox is just so easy to love and hard NOT to collect, for anyone who enjoys tools and EDC.
@@focojeepr Mainly because locking pocket knives are considered as weapons by law. and you are not allowed to carry a weapon on you in public. There are exceptions, at least in Germany, that if you are on your way to work or on work, you can carry a locking pocket knife on you. Otherwise it has to be in a lockable container, or a box that you can lock. It's not necessary to lock the box up, but it's basically what the law considers as a sealed weapon.
This is what bugs me about Americans critiquing Swiss army knives. Like yes, I know a locking blade is safer and a one handed blade is more practical, however I don't make the laws in europe, I just have to follow them. It's already hard enough to find multitools with non locking blades please just let us keep victorinox. America isn't the centre of the universe so not all companies need to make products specifically for americans
@@focojeepr You can have a locking knife, but you need a good reason to carry it. Relevant to time and place. Explaining the uses for the tool and not being a dick can be helpful, too. Which is not as sad as a toddler shooting a sibling because some muppet left a gun lying around. Or kids in schools having to go through active shooter drills...
I think a small micro tool kit will always be more functional than a multi tool. I’m forever looking for the perfect set up but it’s hard to find. Maybe do a video on a storage system for separates that is pocketable. I’m excited to see your frankenox
I do carry a tool kit in my bag, but I almost never have to access it with my rebar and bit Kit and knife on my person. Sometimes there's something specialized I need, like a sewing needle, but the great thing about the multitool is that it is compact and light enough to carry on me and it takes care of 98% of stuff without having to dig into my bag.
I do Have small key pouch which Have 6 key "carabiners" inside. I JUST put small piece of thread on each Tool and hang IT inside. Then you can put IT in your pocket or belt same way as one piece multitool. I do carry knife, small flashlight, pencil, some papers, prybar/bottleopener, small compas, heavy duty thread with needle, 2 pcs of painkiller And small lighter inside JUST Now.
Coincidentally, I have switched from a large multitool on my belt to carrying a small pair of pliers in my front pocket and SAK Hiker in my back pocket. This to have a lightweight EDC during the hot summer months at work.
👍🏼My mom gave me a fisherman when I was about 12. I’m 49 and I still have it. Never really carried it in pocket much but camping or working out of town it’s all ways w/me. The can opener has saved the day many times for numerous people and myself. One multitool for me; otherwise I’m looking for a toolbox. Don’t make fun of me but I’ve gotten by w/a Gerber diesel for the past 8 or 10 yrs. 😊 It’s what I felt like I could afford at the time. I made a horizontal kydex sheath that extends the pliers when I take it out and it pushes the pliers back in also. It’s been very handy and useful. I’ve been trying to find a tool that I’m willing to spend my money on. I was about to “settle” for the leatherman free p4. BUT then you showed me the GOAT!!! I mostly fell in love with it and ordered one after much thought. Hopefully it arrives around my birthday in July. If I hate it I’m gonna unsubscribe! 😂just kidding love your content!
Nice, I was just showing my mother the economy Lumberjack she brought me for my birthday when I was 8. She couldn't remember but I certainly do, I thought it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen 😂 I'm 33 now.
9:43 Mini pocket pliers based EDC toolkit. My first.. "encounter" with that EDC philosophy was few month ago released/viewed: "Lightest EDC Pocket Toolkit: 7 Tools, 14 Bits, 5 ¼ Ounces (148g)" by Todd Parker channel (probably also inspired by the same video You mentioned) His toolkit based mainly on: Vx Alox Bantam (29g, 84mm single layer knife: blade + combotool), Knipex Cobra mini pliers (60g),mini ratchet + bunch of leatherman bits + other small stuff. At some point after this I started to think that.. multi tools may.. be overvalued. And how undervalued may be minimalist single layer knives... And on his usecase mini pliers and single layer Victorinox.. presented as nearly perfect combo as core of.. pocket EDC toolkit. Anyway as others already commented I also already waiting to see.. Your implementation/vision, version of that type of EDC toolkit
I watched it as well and it was refreshing to see an alternative idea to multitools. I think multitools still shine in being a compact, all in one solution because with a kit, you can misplace or forget items while a multitool always stays as one unit.
@@Manachtron Another.. major concern that I've already encountered as multitool user is that multitool as device with multiple moving/rotating parts placed with high precision are quite sensitive to any kind of.. dust, dirt etc. which is inevitable on regular use and I may not be able to make it's mainternance/cleaning on the field. In addition to this (I suppose) not every multitool user is able to make required mainternance/cleaning by self. While lools from that other type of EDC kit have significantly less moving parts and much more easier to mainternance/cleaning (and BTW to be honest, yes.. I am not able to safely dissassemble/assemble Victorinox knifes). If by some reason (lets imagine this situation) we will have mass… denial of multilayer knives like Vx and multitool based EDC kits in favor of mentioned… mini-pliers/blade based EDC kits then in this case "second breathe" can receive other more thin Victorinox models (1,2 layers) like mentioned Alox Bantam - which is In fact are present day vision of original swiss army knife concept from 1890s. So (in terms of video we comment) in this case Victorinox can be beat by.. other Victorinox models.
I do pair tools, mainly being a knife, pen, MT, depending on what I'm doing I may carry more, or slim my carry down by reducing weight. I would rather just carry a plier based multi-tool and have some more function, it works perfect for me, more times than not I am over prepared. I keep tools in my vehicle as well. If I really need a better pair of pliers or a fastener is not breaking free I have the tools.
the way I see it, victorinox will always complement a leatherman pliers tool in edc ... for me, these 2 combined are perfect; having a need to carry dedicated pliers everyday just means you'd better grab the toolbox, or at least have on hand a selection of actual tools and yes, clips, 1 hand blade and locking tools on victorinox would be nice
Many thanks, great vid! My choice: Knipex 08 22 145 Pointed Combination Pliers, 145 mm, and a Victorinox Camper (with the saw). Next level: Bits, nuts and a ratchet.
I agree with the pairing of tools. I carry my Leatherman Crunch that allows me to use 1/4” bits, Milwaukee 6-in-1 fastback, Wiha double ended bits, 3” bits extension, mag nut setters, telescoping mag, pocket pry bars and the Surge t-shank saw & file. Saw & file I use with the Leatherman Crunch as you showed in one of your videos. I use a Vanquest PPM pouch to hold the tools.
I love to carry my Swiss tool Spirit Because I don’t have to think about parts but lately I’ve been experimenting with a dedicated plier and a SAK. The spirit has come in handy for some moderate car bodywork
I can't agree enough about the pocket clip. I always add a suspension clip, but it's always a poor compromise. Sometimes I'll just carry a Super Tinker, olight and Knipex Cobra XS when I want a light all round kit. My regular EDC solution is a pocket knife, olight, cobra XS and a small pouch with other tools. I discuss this in my first video, but essentially I came to the same conclusion as you that I'd prefer dedicated individual tools that do a better job, alongside a decent knife. The exception to this is my example above where I want a quick, lighter kit. Like when I'm wearing shorts for example.
I’ve been giving 80% of my carry time to a modded SAK Compact. I realize it’s “ancient” last century tech, but it just works as intended. No fancy blade steel, just some sort of SS that I suspect may be surgical quality. The thin blade is slicier than nearly all of my boutique single blades. And unlike a tactical knife, it’s great for just basic (but frequent) peeling of fruit. The perfect Compact for me doesn’t quite exist: traditional top side two layer but with Philips and awl on the back, with a pocket clip. (Hook and corkscrew are useless to me) Oh I have seen a mod for the SAK for a one sided thumbstud similar to the Roxon. Unfortunately it’s only for lefties and not friendly to a pocket clip.
The hook needs to go, it’s so useless despite all those secret use videos. I’ve added one those mini screwdrivers to my ranger just so the corkscrew has a use.
@@MichaelB2L the only use I’ve found for the hook is to hold the pen from the plus scales. I do confess to using the file on the back of the Compact hook.
Maybe I'm an outlier here ,but I don't need a one hand blade or pocket clip, and I can live without a locking blade too. It varies for me but generally when I'm off work I'm just at home where I have tools everywhere so I still want things on me but they're very small pocket items. They don't stay home when I go to work, I just ditch the added work carry when I get home. Either a little Sebertool multitool or the Snapon 44acf paired with a 58mm Vic and my knife / knives for the week. A multitool is also not a pocket knife for me either. I've had my Snap-on 44acf a little over a year now and they've definitely been great, I'll go back to my Sebertool multitools for awhile here and there but the little slipjoint pliers sure are great. When the XS Knipex came out and got really popular I actively resisted them, I definitely wanted to avoid drinking the koolaid but I also favor straight inline jaws for general purpose plier use. The fact that I also carry a 4" adjustable wrench probably factors into that some. Btw I think you'll find that the Snapon 44acf doesn't actually have much of a wire cutter. It's too shallow and curved to fit and bite on most wire, if you're really determined you can get it to clip say a bread tie but it's clearly not meant to be a wire cutter. The Channellock 524 definitely has an intentional wire cutter which functions just fine, but they're a tad bulkier and not quite as refined so I still favor the Snapon ( I'm a big Channellock fanboy too )
I also am a big proponent for a tool pairing rather than a all in one tool. The pairing gives you more options for customising your tool set without modding the tools. I currently carry a skeletool and mountaineer combo with self made pocket caddy that holds the LM bits, LM ratchet, Nitecore Tiki Gitd, and a pen (Parker Jotter). I used to carry the LM wave for about 5 years. In that time I realised which tools I never use like the wood saw, serrated blade, and eyeglass screwdriver. Also I got very annoyed with the belt carry sheath. It kept snagging on seat belts and would often prohibit me from using my front right pocket, as I would always move the sheath to just over the pocket as this was the most comfortable place to carry the sheath where it was the least likely to get snagged. I have tried carrying the wave in pocket with the pocket clip, but I found it to heavy and bulky. Also now that I have used the Victorinox 91mm scissors, I can never go back.
It's always wonderful to have the proper tool with you when you need it. To me, it just makes life a bit easier, and function just a bit more succinctly (for lack of a better way of putting it.. I guess). I've always loved my little tools (even going back years and years)...and I've carried a Leatherman Surge in a Deadskin leather sheath on my left side for years and years...and years. I also carry a Victorinox Hercules in my pocket, and I have many more tools here and there on me as well. I clearly love tools, and this love is reinforced everytime I need the use of one of these items daily (I'm a truck driver), and without even thinking about it, I just reach for the needed tool (I've kept these different tools in the same place on me for many years), so as I reach...the needed tool is always right there, and for me, this is a wonderful thing. I don't really have a favorite, I love Leatherman as much as I love Victorinox. For me, if it's a well made tool, it is just that, a well made tool, and it's there when I need it. In the words of Hickok 45, life is good, (and I'll add, when you have the tool that you need, when you need it). You've done a great video here sir, and you have a wonderful selection of functional tools. May you put together your perfect tool, and may it serve you well in your needed tasks. Be well.
I'm liking the idea of separate pliers and microtool. I'm not sure if you saw it but Windler is in the process of adding pliers and scissors. Waiting patiently to receive those to see if that system can step up to the plate. I'd love to see Victorinox do a few things: 1) Locking blades on medium size knives... Delemont series had them but they just killed those and you sacrifice scissor quality in that series too, 2) Blade steel upgrade...N690 makes so much sense and I'd throw down additional $ to get a better quality blade, 3) G10 scales (easy to remedy however, love the Prometheus Design Werks options), 4) more options with an inline Philips driver (like the Explorer), 4) Customization service... so many models but none match the set I'm looking for, 5) more models with more versatile tool sets in Alox line. That sheep's foot blade on the Alox Electrician should be on more models rather than a second spear/ pen blade.
Weird comparison but Lego sometimes does creative competitions for new products. This would be such a great idea for Victorinox: do brainstorming / fan suggestions and let the community vote which model gets introduced to the market!
I’ve been carrying/using Victorinox knives/multi tools since 1987. Best pocket tools I’ve ever used. I don’t even have any other knives except kitchen knives. Happy camper for sure.
100% agree with everything said. Over 200g and I'm not carrying an overweight SAK I'm going with a multitool, leatherman or vicotrinox. Victorinox need to innovate a bit more in the 3-5 layer SAK, make more tools with the combo bottle/can opener to save size and weight, make more tools with the bit driver, make more tools with plus scales, make the knife one hand operable. One thing that really gets me is that it would not be difficult to make SAKs without the brass rivet method they use, if they used an easy to disassemble threaded nut with loctite and paid attention to designing some of the tools with the same locking detents, people would have so much fun easily modifying these to what they like.
Me and all of my SAK carrying Swedish friends totally agree, they must start to make models with pocket clips. The one hand opening and locking blades is all so a must but a big no no for the knives law's in most of Europe I guess. The Alox series and 111 mm series aren't whole knives with out clips. We swedes definitely miss a bunch of 85 mm models with scissors. In a country where everybody questions your choice to carry a pocket knife and where it's straight to prison if you carry more than one blade at the same time. An 85 mm compact would be a dream come true.
My dream kit: Victorinox explorer toolset ( the end flip out phillips - not mid back is most important) with the magnifying glass, cork screw for knots, perfect scissors, the can opener, caplifter, and reamer. Swap out the plain edge on the "smaller" blade for a serrated edge and add the pocket clip of the sentinel on a 111mm frame with the one handed lock blade. That would be my perfect EDC. Or... All of the above, but replace the small blade with a file (not the finger nail type, but for metal). Oh and i would carry my Knipex 100mm pliers, they are so good. The Snap on ones look good as well. I really don't mind carrying 2 or 3 items, especially because separate pliers are extremely useful. For now its my Leatherman Rebar and a flashlight (O-light keychain is great), along with my RAT 1 or 2 or the SWA explorer and the mini - pliers. Build us the Frankenstein SWA multi tool!😂
I stopped looking for the perfect multi-tool and Swiss Army Knife when I got into dedicated edc tools. Small Knipex, mini bit ratchets, no multi-tool can keep up now. So I just carry something small like a Deluxe Tinker or Farmer X for blades and openers. Many useful things on a small package. The Vic Manager is an awesome example. Sad to see it discontinued. Competing with Victorinox is tough. Ruike is doing a good job; screw construction, pocket clips, G10 scales, good quality. Others have tried. The James Brand stuff comes to mind, but if your knife is five times the cost and has half the tools of a same-size Victorinox, then you are not competing with Victorinox. Thanks for the video, Dominic. You reminded me that I need one of those oho Spirits. :D
Not sold on separate tools. Pretty dedicated to a single multitool. Have to admit I’m interested in those snap ons tho. Looking forward to what Victorinox does next.
I have enjoyed other people’s lost cast offs once in awhile but after a renewed interest in edc knives in general I decided to break down and actually purchase one of their models I liked after doing some research. Well, that was 4 models ago and my affection for them only grows! Lol!
ou definitely speak for me regarding victorinox, and the Spirit. The complimentary ratchet kits are also first rate. I have started to use different kits. The small Knipex are awesome, and while I am not a fan of leatherman multi tools, their bit set, with bit holder and ratchet extender are great. So when I go to the gym at night, I grab my victorinox minichamp, a flashlight, and occasionally the nextool card tool, or nextool mini. When I want a more substantial tool, a longer ride perhaps, the Spirit... always. From there I have kits. i have sockets in altoids tins, so I know with the victorinox vertical+ ratchet and extenders, the leatherman holder (with bit set and horizontal ratchet) and usually a Sog medium tool with bit driver and bit built in, I can tackle any minor screws/bolts... the knipex come along as well. The Bibury 21 alo has a great bit driver and can sub for the Sog For something that needs pliers I use the knipex and the Gerber Multiforce. And I took a Gerber small box cutter and hacked it so I can fit a kit of small saw blades on it, for anything requiring basic saw cuts. These kits work great along with some of the multi tools I have come to love. Victorinox for me has always been the best. The minichamp is amazing! I also love their soldger knife! which is BTW a one handed blade with a n awesome saw. I have come to two conclusions: Multitools work great with a complementary kit for small/emergency repairs... I don't care how fantastic it is, (you listening Gerber!?) if the bit driver sucks, or does not absolutely lock, I don't use it.
Multitools have one great advantage: its all in one place, you cant lose one, you have to lose the whole package. Bit kits are a whole different story.
Like many things it really goes both ways. As the combo of tools sounds nice as you shouldnt be carrying more than you need and the tools should be more specialized and therefore preform better. However, the main reason I carry a multi (outside of work) is to be better prepared for the unforeseen issues that pop up. It's all but guaranteed if I left a tool(s), such as pliers, at home to lighten my load for the day I would inevitably end up needing it for something. Use case is also obviously very important. Are we talking for work or outside of work edc? As an electrician I carry a Leatherman skeletool cx everyday (milwaukee fastback 6 in 1 would suffice, but I have a knife habit), 80% of the time it's just a knife as I have at least my linemans, channels, tape measure, flashlight, and 11 in 1 on me at most times but having a screwdriver and some pliers for the odd chance I emptied the rest of my tools saves me a trip often. Outside of work I currently usually have a nicer knife, my rebar, and a flashlight on me, for whatever might come up. I feel like its a never ending game of trying to find the best carry.
I've been experimenting with carrying dedicated pliers and a knife, but I also wanted a few more tools... so I landed on Knipex 5" cobras, a folding knife, and the super tinker. That works great and has me covered as long as I am wearing jeans or cargo shorts.
I've opted for the regular Gerber multi tool, Gerber center drive and folding buck hunter. But your right about the carry. I normally wear Carheart carpenter pants. And I've noticed you convey intelligence.
I think Victorinox is vulnerable in the 91mm size for a US company like Case to swoop in with two or three stratigically placed models to make big a big dent. Most of SAK line is similar models with just a few different implements. The right knife with quality materials/ implements/ design/size/weight/ and price point could do well. How about a design like the 58mm with full size implements on both sides? I'm constantly redesigning these knives in my mind...Can't wait for your creations!
Nothing beats my victorinox electrician yet. Slim, lightweight, functional, sturdy, ergonomic, UK legal. But if had a fixed pocket clip, not a tech accessories P7 clip stuck on, and a one handed blade (no idea how that could work in its current form) I’d be ecstatic. I recently got a 91mm Ranger for £39 ($49 ish). It’s too bulk for pocket carry so I’d like to see better sheaths/pouches from victorinox.
For me gerber with the dual force showed the great potential of mixing slip joint pliers with a multitool, same goes for leatherman with the crunch and locking pliers. So a multitool with different plier heads and proper use regarding functionality can be one of the greatest things. Almost every multitool is needlenose based with the 3 same functions for the most part.
I adore my Spirit MXBS. I carry it with a Farmer X and a Microtech UT. Three may seem like a lot but the UT isn't supposed to leave the pocket as its less of a tool and more of a defense implement. If I need any more utility than what the MXBS and Farmer X offer together than I grab my small toolkit. True pocket tools can only get you so far and we can't ask the world of them either. A pocket clip is essential in this era of pocket tools and I really hope to see Vic get with it. The 91mm line is legendary for a reason and I really love the 93mm Alox line as well. Vic value is truly exceptional and it's why they're my favorite. I think a longer Alox would be awesome, 130mm long in the same width etc. and my current dream Alox toolset would likely be: Knife/Awl, magnifier/inline phillips, pliers, scissors, and saw. Would also like to see an Alox Swisschamp, Swisschamp toolset without the backside tools. Just for fun. I would pay a real premium for a Custom SAK from the factory.
First and formost what anyone is trying to accomplish with a multi-tool system will vary. There is no perfect EDC tool. I tend to have MT layers depending on the expected task for a percived time period. My layers can vary. My low use system consist of a Skeletool and a SAK Classic. My daily work carry is a Surge with a bit kit, rachet driver, and DeWalt reversable 1/4 -7/16 sockets. When I am responding as a volunteer fierfighter/EMT I add the LM Raptor to the belt. My Top layer is carried in my EDC bag. This is a 3 compartment bag that has along with wallet, sunglasses, micro first aid, flashlight, ect. I have a mini 4 inch wonder bar a DeWalt 9 foot tape measure, a 4 inch adjustable wrench, and a pair of Knipex 5 inch pliers. The Skeletool and the SAK classic are carried in my EDC bag and are pocket carried in anticipation of low use. The layered system works the best for me. I developed it after years of experience and many lost SAK's and LM's and other multitools.
I could barely even finish this video because I had to keep stopping it to think. I think it took me 45 minutes to get through it!!! Very nice. :) I think that Victorinox items are underpriced, and that is bad for them if they make new models that cost more, where the economies of scale you mentioned are not yet at play, because they are providing their own competition. It is also bad for us, because I think that is why they do not make models with new tools very often. If the Companion comes out in plus scales for $45, people will say they will just buy a climber for $32, or hang on to their old reliable climber that they've had for 60 years. You will need to give them a compelling and cost-effective reason to come out with a new model. I hope that they are testing the waters for a knifeless 91mm SAK. I hope that you are, too, in your new builds. Not that you should spend $85 and then tear apart a collector's item, but by putting the package opener in place of the can opener, they can simply remove the blade layer from any successful SAK and have a nice tool, or they could replace the cap lifter with the combo tool. There are so many reasons to have knifeless SAKs, in particular because knives are popular and people want a dedicated knife, and because knives are prohibited!! LOL As some other commenters have noted - Victorinox is moving toward locking, one-handed opening blades (with pocket clips even!) with their current Evoke lineup. The fact that the thumb studs are removable makes me think that they have a particular concern about some European markets. My opinion is that getting rid of the 85mm Delemont models is being done to leave an opening for another lock style. If you look at all the stuff they are getting rid of, it seems that they are trying to make their lineup make sense and not confuse people. You almost have to be a SAK expert to understand what's different between a Classic, Classic SD, Executive 81, and Ambassador, for example - and three of those are now gone! (I do think that many of the 130 mm Delemont knives are staying, but I don't know.) In answer to your question - I prefer one multitool or SAK, but I have a lot of them so I can always carry the one I need. I actually look forward to tasks that require a full-sized pliers so that I have a reason to carry a pliers-based multitool! LOL Does not seem like a fair answer to your question. Thank you for the very nice and thought-provoking video. Anne
You're right the quality is fantastic with the scissor brakes sometimes that's about it everything else holds up they don't always break the scissors only on some of them
I guess I've been 'pairing' without realising it: Spyderco Ladybug + Victorinox Jetsetter. I'm "knife first", but also a teacher, and not yet 40, so no belt pouches for me. All this limits the size of the kit I can edc. I love the VI Classic, because it's tiny, will bother no-one, yet has immense utility. Its weakness is the blade. It suffices in the office, but with anything beyond that it falls short. The Spyderco Ladybug is at the sweet spot for me: Small enough to disappear in my pocket, but substantial enough to perform any task I need it to. But now the tiny blade on my Classic is superfluous, what to do? Easy, replace it with a Jetsetter: Out with the knife and file, and in with a Phillips #0/1 screwdriver. Suddenly all those annoying battery compartments shut with tiny screws are much less annoying.
Greetings Dominic! Lots of good points brought up. I've carried SAKs for as long as I can remember and have a decent collection I've accumulated over time both new and used I've bought and you're so right. The quality is second to none. Doesn't matter if it's a 58 mm or a 91 mm, just doesn't. They always are great. I carry LMs and Gerbers too, an occasional SOG multitool but I always have a SAK either on my keychain or pocket or both 😮 they just work. I've been carrying the Compact the last few weeks and really enjoying it. And the prices ( don't let them think they're going too cheap 😅) are very reasonable in comparison to other knife and multitool manufacturers. They're so good I gave all of my grandsons & granddaughters some for Christmas as their first knife if they were old enough of course. Mainly because I know they will last a lifetime if taken care. So yeah, you don't have to prod me too much. I'll get on the band wagon, heck I've been on it for a long time 😅
Hey Dominic, love your videos and analysis! I think the reason you don't see more locking blades/tools from Victorinox is the wide variety of knife laws in the many countries they sell products in. It's probably more cost effective to just make (most of) their knives as slip joints rather than making a locking version for the countries where those are legal, and a non-locking version of the same knife/tool for the markets where locking blades are prohibited. The economy gained in manufacturing process with that strategy has got to be huge. It makes sense too - when you look at the 39 models of SAK that Victorinox recently announced would be discontinued, they are mostly models that are largely duplicates of (or have a lot of overlap with) other, better selling, more popular models that they make. The simple fact is, the biggest competition for something like the Victorinox Huntsman... is another Victorinox product! All that said, I think you're making some great points here. Just wanted to point out the reason I don't think we're likely to see more locking blades from Victorinox than we already do.
Ahh, but they basically already have tools that lock (111mm, and clips sentinel clip, and the 111 already has 1 handed blade.. they just need to put it all together.
@@maxlvledc You're right - they do already have locking blades on some models. But they are by far the minority of models Victorinox makes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't really see Victorinox ever really reversing that trend given the world wide reach they seem to want most of their products to have...
SAK classic on my work keys, SAK Compact in my pocket when I am off of work. The closest thing I’ve found and like that is close is the leatherman T4. I like it a otf but it’s a fat boy. Edit: I just started carrying 4” knipex instead of my wave or rebar. Leatherman t4( or sak compact)and knipex 4” or 5” along with a good folding knife takes care of most things thrown at me during my day.
A modular multitool in a more victorinox shape that can have tools be easily mix and matched is something I would love. I think a pairing a regular thing of pliers with a multitool would be the best though.
It reminds me of the umbrella problem. Where is the best place to leave your umbrella? The EDC guy says in your bag ever at the ready, but the analytical guy says leave it home for all the times you actually need it. So if having a good plier always available is the goal, then choose either a 4 inch plier plus an SAK, or a good plier centric multi-tool. Maybe decide by type of plier, weight or bulk. If instead, you rather carry what you think you need, then have an accessible array of SAKs, Leathermans, and pocket pliers in your top dresser drawer and decide the day of. 🤔🤨
I'm not a fan of slip joint blades, they are an accident waiting to happen. When I found Victorinox offered a locking blade pocket knife in the medium size, the S17 and S101, I snatched them up, and I love them. With a pocket clip attached, the S17 is my EDC.
I carry at least 1 EDC pouch at all times. Therefore I like the idea of carrying multiple tools. the most used tools such as my knives, flashlight, and prybar go in the pockets. If a situation arises where I need a different tool (pliers for example), I just pull out the pouch and get it out.
Just wanted to put this out there, maybe something you could look into but I just herd the brand called Klein plier wrench. Looks like a interesting tool.
What I think is…it’s criminal I don’t own a Victorinox multi tool! I also go back and forth from one tool to multi small tools. Depends on what I’m doing. Can’t wait to see what you are working on.
I like this "paired combo" idea you got. I'd have to agree that a task dedicated tool is just sometimes the only option. A large diameter jaw plier with a stranded wire cutter like for safety cables is what I'm looking for. So far I can only pair a large to carry channel lock and equally large cable cutters on my hospital scrubs.
Just to have a Leatherman Freestyle has an advantage than just carrying a singular pocket knife in many situations. Having a knife blade incorporated with a plier is super handy. Pliers are very nice by themselves or in a multitool. I like my new Curl and fairly new Bond together sometimes because I enjoy having them so much. Why carry two multitools with similar tool sets, the pliers are so handy. For me, they're an extension of my fingernails and fingertips. From something as mundane to taking the sticker backing off felt pads to twisting tie wire to tarps to tightening fasteners, etc. I just love plier based multitools, just to carry them alone is an advantage. A small pair of Channel Locks and a Leatherman, WOW! Imagine that.
I was on a quest to find the perfect multi tool for a few years, but then I tried the Knipex Cobras and I just stopped looking. Your assessment at the end describes me too -- I'm still interested in the "perfect" multi tool, and I'm still interested to see innovations, but I fell in love and the Knipex have become a non-negotiable part of my carry. I've tried a few SAKs to fit what I run into but they've just been slight variations on a theme. It's surprsing to me there aren't more pocket organizers, pouches, carriers, etc, that cater to the specific Knipex + SAK combos, especially for the larger SAKs.
A very good video with a interesting future direction. I've carried Victorinox, Leatherman and Gerber tools for years. Victorinox is by far the best quality, value and weigh tool. I completely agree with the pocket clip comment. Bringing one-handed, locking tools would significantly narrow Victorinox's world market. I don't know whether the U.S. market can support that direction. I've been minimizing my EDC lately. I've gone completely away from large multitools in favor of smaller individual tools. I have an urban EDC kit with a small pair of pliers along with many other essentials. I tuck it in my messenger bag with my EDC tech kit and laptop or put it in the door bin of my truck. I'm looking forward to your new tool ideas. Keep weight and size at the forefront of you thought process.
I like the separate tools better right now because of value. I can pair SAK and Knipex for under $100 and be at top tier quality for all those functions. A "top tier" multi tool costs more right now.
separate knife. Big fat adjustable pliers. Mostly in a car. Sometimes in a bag. I use them mostly to grab on stuff in and out of fireplace, moving coals, denting dry branches to break them... There's a limit tho. Of course when you need a sledgehammer a hatchet wont cut it. Unless you find yourself using something over and over, it just needs to be in reach. Not in your pockets
I wonder if the fact that it is a private company, which enables it to not pander to greed stock share holders, allows it to give good quality tools to its customers.
The special mechanic was the ultimate SAK. I wish they brought that one back. Knife, pliers, screwdriver and nail file/cleaner. If they made it with the super scales...
Agree with "anything over 6 oz. should have a pliers attached to it..." For sentimental reasons I carry a belt sheathed 6 layer Swiss ("Handyman?" "Master Tinker?") with pliers, saw, file, pull hook, awl, can and bottle openers, scissors, and the 2 standard blades. Also EDC SOG Powerpint has become "The Tool," and the Swiss is mostly for the scissors... Keep a Dime in my coin purse for "back up." Somehow I can't let go of the utility of a multitool. If I was on some specific project, I'd gladly add a Knipx. I just can't let go of the utility of a multitool... Noooo... Your vids are sooner of later going to cost me a Vict MX Pocket Clip. Haven't succumbed yet...
The traditional SAK format works well because it's easily pocketable, has a variety tools (but not meant as a toolbox replacement), and is non-threatening. It just works, and while some innovation is good, Victorinox has been smart enough to play to their strengths, rather than chasing the knife-topic du jour like so many other companies. Vics are timeless in a way, while other knives will look dated or outright stupid years later. I'm glad they don't just change for the sake of it, and instead take a slower, more thoughtful approach. The only thing I'd like to see them do is drop Celidor for Nylon or something else more durable, but I get that Celidor is ingrained in their brand as much as anything.
I use a pairing system, swiss army climber and a small Thai company pliers, it works well for me. I've had the Swiss army knife brand for over 40 years now 👍
I like the pairing of tools, I just love the minimalism of one tool. Your going to laugh, but I have not been able to stop pocket carrying my Victorinox Hercules. Yes, I said pocket carry. The Hercules is a five layer tool and is the same width as my six layer Handyman. The one aspect I love about the Hercules is that I have Five screwdrivers on this tool (with a micro screwdriver in the corkscrew). I love how these larger models have the "hidden" tools under tools. I think they only do this with certain 111 mm SAK, but I really think this is an area they should incorporate into other models. I also feel that the 111mm scales need to have the ability to have "plus scales". I would really love being able to have this option. The Victorinox pliers are also pretty useful, and I use the leverage trick that Diezelle57 posted on one of his videos, showing how to get more force with these pliers. No, they won't be as useful as those Snap On pliers. Thanks for sharing, can't wait to see what's coming.
I pair my EDC multitools. I like to have options and redundancies with me so should one be not efficient enough, I can reach for the beefier option. I used to carry a pocket folder knife and a plier-based multitool, but nowadays I carry a Victorinox Compact in an Alpaca pouch and a Victorinox Soldier ‘08 holstered on my belt. While I do reach for my Victorinox Compact nine times out of ten because I live in an urban environment and the most used tools in my set are the parcel hook, scissors, the small screwdriver, and the nail file; when there are times that a beefier or a more unusual task at hand requires the most unusual tool - I reach for the Soldier 08. A one-handed, locking serrated knife and a woodsaw can come in handy, and the sharpened reamer is good at cutting price tags when you don’t want to use an actual knife. You can never go wrong with a Victorinox…better if you have two that compliment each other. Good video!
Europeans don't care one bit about a pocket clip on their Victorinox knives (and the same usually goes for one-hand opening, and locking blade). I've only seen Americans making a case for it. However, because the US market share is so significant, I wouldn't be surprised if Victorinox ends up giving in to their wish. As you said, you were surprised to see Victorinox launch the Swiss Tool back in the day (and so was I). I think Victorinox has been going in the right direction, maintaining its tradition while leaving some room for innovation (mostly among limited edition knives).
Uh wow!! This video hits the right spot. I love specific single tools for their job, plier is a plier- knife is a knife and so on. The charm of a multitool in one package with all the capabilities is also awesome. Man!! Thats a tuff one. But in my case I’ll decide to go with separate tools. Just because of the comfort of use!! At my work i use A delica ore similar as a knife, Knipex cobra 150or less (just because I cant get that snapon! I’d like that one more) and a small ratchet set the most of the time, I might ad a screw driver with replacement bit’s. Of course in a optimized tool bag with a laptop and some adapter cables. As a EDC a Victorinox scout sized knife a classic on the keys is all i needed till now hope it stays like this. Hope it helps on your decision. Great video!
Leatherman does the super steel knife blade and over all quality is good. SOG does the compound leverage pliers and has good assortment of tools. Victorinox does quality of craftmanship the best and has good assortment of tools. Gerber does the cool one hand gravity slide out plies and has an ok assortment of tools. Scissors and a good file would be great on the Leatherman signal and maybe a tiny LED light. I prefer the plier based multi tool with needle nose.
Looking forward to your mods. For me… a separate pliers with a 3 or 4 payer SAK best covers my bases… multitool pliers are too limited (I love the adjustability of the Knipex Cobra.) I do wish more SAK included an inline phillips… An Explorer with plus scales has become my frequent carry.
I've always had problems with the springs of the scissors from Victorinox. I must have broken 20-30 in the last 20 years. Luckily you can get them for a few cents. :D
I completely agree that victorinox needs to innovate some of its tool sets for sure! We need some new (preferably useful) implements or at least some updated ones. A more useful file and maybe something other than the hook please? The main issue will be the cost though. I know you were talking about how good they've been at keeping costs pretty steady, but look at the compact. I consider the compact pretty close to perfect for what I really want for my usual EDC. But at its price I can also buy another multiforce or multiples of other victorinox knives. I think they would definitely charge similar prices for any new knives they would roll out. But all that to say, I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
0:52 that’s technically a wenger knife (some of them are superior to Victorinox in my opinion). They got in financial trouble a while back, so Victorinox bought them before a chinese company (who had the intention to) could buy them and ruin the reputation of swiss army knifes. Today they all say „Victorinox“ on the blade, but if you get a used one, you might stumble about an older one still saying „wenger“. I got one new as they announced that victorinox bought them 😉👍
As I gather all my "stuff" and try to develop what my EDC strategy for any particular day will be, it becomes difficult to really pin something down in my mind. It has happened so many times where I just grab my Leatherman, keys, and wallet thinking to myself that I probably don't even need the Leatherman.(or anything) The days I don't think I need anything, are the days that something happens. For now, I am going to be in experiment mode and see what I come up with.
I think people tend to forget that Victorinox is not a tool company, they are a lifestyle company built off the back of the best selling tool of all time. They are not interested in refining and perfecting their multitools, they want to sell luggage, fragrances, and watches at luxury prices while being associated with the multitool branding. They are discontinuing models to reduce machining cost and warranty repair, not to make more room for innovative new models.
I bought an Alox pioneer x back in Nov '22, and it's been in my pocket everyday since. 80% of the time it is the scissors I'm reaching for, those fantastic scissors. If Victorinox ever made an Alox model that just had the 93mm scissors, I think it would sell like hotcakes.
I carry pioneer x too and love it. I plan to mod mine, remove the blade layer, and replace the can opener with the sheep foot blade from the electrician. I carry a folder pocketknife too so I don’t need the sak blades.
I had this debate with myself lol. I decided with the handyman with plus scales and when I need heavy duty pliers not heavy duty tweezers I just grab my leatherman which is in my tool bag. I am considering modding the handyman because I want my parcel hook to have the fingernail file like the compact. I think I can put on a combo can opener in place of the small blade and drop the can opener and bottle opener, id have to adjust the awe to fit the smaller layer. Im not sure its worth it for a smaller form factor tho lol
Yes, pocket clip, but maybe no. Why? I think one of the great things about the classic SAKs, is the ergonomic aspect of the scales. They move in and out of a pocket perfectly, yet aren’t so slick, that they’re hard to grip. Not just that, but they balance well in the hand and don’t have any edges that ruin the comfort factor when you’re using any tool. That would change if w pocket clip were added. I do understand the desire, I use the clips (can’t think of the company that makes them) that attach to the key ring which is marginally obtrusive, but not horribly so.
I did once buy an SD as a gift and the scales were warped; you could see a gap between the scale and metal in the middle and when you squeezed it down it would spring back out. It seemed like the handful of models they had at this particular hardware store (in Indonesia) had the same issue. I don’t know if they are just more likely to let things slip past quality control for markets like this one. I thought maybe they had been left in the hot sun or something, but the blister packs seemed fine and I’ve never been particularly precious with my own saks. That said, they have otherwise been bombproof and I have never had any concern picking them up second hand.
If you actually have the need to use tools a lot, then yes a pairing /kit makes sense. If your tool using needs are limited then the multitool makes more sense. If all you do is turn screws once in awhile then most Victorinox models will work.
I really like the idea of sepperating tools BUT I have 1 concern. That is the pocketabillity. Now I put my ST spirit in my pocket and I have it all with me. If you sepperate the pliers and the knife, it uses more pocketspace and adds weight. My opinion: if you carry on body/in pants, I would go for the all in 1. Of body/backpack carry, split it and go for dedicated tools. PS: big thanks for the cool video and mindset. Jens (Belgium)
Good Leatherman with a clip is primary, extra bits etc in my bag. Backed up by an SAK for social work. Leatherman don’t have corkscrews and they don’t look quite right cutting up the meat and cheese for the lady.
That 2nd heavy tool, Vitronox competitor you didn't say what it was, link in the description. Ruike RKELD42B. Only 5 left on Amazon. Pro mechanics at work swear by Vitronox Swiss multitool, and they carry other tools as well, of course. I really like the SAK Tinker (so many color ways, toothpicks, tweezers, lanyards) I edc mine in a sheath. And I edc a Knipex 4" plier for my light EDC. And i really like the Milwaukee 6 in 1 utility knife ( I'm not a mechanic). Might consider a Nitize clip for the Tinker. Really enjoy your indepth information. Thank you.
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Pairing of tools is a better option to me. Example, turning a screw while holding the other side of the fastener. Also, as companies like Leatherman increase their prices this is becoming a less expensive option.
That's one of the reasons why I don't want a bit driver on my pocket knife or multitool.
With that being said I only carry a full sized multitool at work, and am also somebody who will try to grab a regular tool whenever I can.
At work I have my leatherman bond , a 4" adjustable, and a GM powertorque bit ratchet with a ph2 and a 5/16 bit.
I just need the ability to have a driver on both ends of a fastener or driver and wrench on either end of a fastener.
If I need more I go to the toolbag in my locker.
EDC for me us also just things I can carry on my person, I don't need things with me that have to go in a bag...ect which isn't something I carry.
I've come around to this point of view. I now carry a heavy duty multitool (Leatherman Surge, Gerber Dual Force or SOG Power Access Deluxe), cheap AAA flashlight and Knipex XS plier wrench. I can get a lot of things done with this kit.
To your statement about the quality of Victorinox I will add the longevity. I have a Camper model that I have carried since I was a kid, more than 60 years ago. Sure it has a few dings and scratches (so do I!) but it is still perfectly usable. As far as the three things that you are looking for, I might be in the minority, but I actually don't like pocket clips. They often create hot spots if using the tool for an extended period of time. I am neutral about locking blades and one-hand opening. They are nice but not really important to me.
I love when elders give that kind of long term insight, appreciate you and happy your childhood knife is going strong
1. Here's the thing about locking blades: they're illegal to carry in a lot of countries, particularly here in Europe (where Victorinox is based). Any such model would be at a disadvantage in terms of sales.
2. Victorinox will be doing the same thing they've been in the SAK lineup: having models that are ALMOST there, almost perfect but one or two crucial functions will be missing in each of them to make sure you don't stop at having only one.
3. Can Victorinox be beat? Yes and the origins of Leatherman is the proof. Tim Leatherman identified areas where a SAK is not enough. To anyone with the money and expertise to challenge Victorinox: don't just build a SAK clone. Oh and don't fall into the Gerber problem: where your product looks really good but the quality is poor.
What the heck is wrong with the world where subjects can’t even have a locking pocket knife. So sad.
All good points, 1 to 3. An interesting thing about number 2 is that, although the reason I carry a Swisschamp is because it is, for most practical purposes, "the whole kitchen sink without compromises", I still buy multiple Victorinox products anyway. I own more than one Swisschamp, I own several Swiss Tools, and I own a Super Tinker and a Classic. Victorinox is just so easy to love and hard NOT to collect, for anyone who enjoys tools and EDC.
@@focojeepr Mainly because locking pocket knives are considered as weapons by law. and you are not allowed to carry a weapon on you in public. There are exceptions, at least in Germany, that if you are on your way to work or on work, you can carry a locking pocket knife on you. Otherwise it has to be in a lockable container, or a box that you can lock. It's not necessary to lock the box up, but it's basically what the law considers as a sealed weapon.
This is what bugs me about Americans critiquing Swiss army knives. Like yes, I know a locking blade is safer and a one handed blade is more practical, however I don't make the laws in europe, I just have to follow them. It's already hard enough to find multitools with non locking blades please just let us keep victorinox. America isn't the centre of the universe so not all companies need to make products specifically for americans
@@focojeepr You can have a locking knife, but you need a good reason to carry it. Relevant to time and place. Explaining the uses for the tool and not being a dick can be helpful, too.
Which is not as sad as a toddler shooting a sibling because some muppet left a gun lying around. Or kids in schools having to go through active shooter drills...
I think a small micro tool kit will always be more functional than a multi tool.
I’m forever looking for the perfect set up but it’s hard to find.
Maybe do a video on a storage system for separates that is pocketable.
I’m excited to see your frankenox
I do carry a tool kit in my bag, but I almost never have to access it with my rebar and bit Kit and knife on my person. Sometimes there's something specialized I need, like a sewing needle, but the great thing about the multitool is that it is compact and light enough to carry on me and it takes care of 98% of stuff without having to dig into my bag.
I do Have small key pouch which Have 6 key "carabiners" inside. I JUST put small piece of thread on each Tool and hang IT inside. Then you can put IT in your pocket or belt same way as one piece multitool. I do carry knife, small flashlight, pencil, some papers, prybar/bottleopener, small compas, heavy duty thread with needle, 2 pcs of painkiller And small lighter inside JUST Now.
I am on exactly the same journey. I have started carrying the knipex cobra and an old Swiss, just seems to work well!
I do the same thing
Я тоже ношу Викторинокс хэндсмен и кобра XS , привет из Украины 🇺🇦✌️
Coincidentally, I have switched from a large multitool on my belt to carrying a small pair of pliers in my front pocket and SAK Hiker in my back pocket. This to have a lightweight EDC during the hot summer months at work.
👍🏼My mom gave me a fisherman when I was about 12. I’m 49 and I still have it. Never really carried it in pocket much but camping or working out of town it’s all ways w/me. The can opener has saved the day many times for numerous people and myself.
One multitool for me; otherwise I’m looking for a toolbox.
Don’t make fun of me but I’ve gotten by w/a Gerber diesel for the past 8 or 10 yrs. 😊 It’s what I felt like I could afford at the time. I made a horizontal kydex sheath that extends the pliers when I take it out and it pushes the pliers back in also. It’s been very handy and useful.
I’ve been trying to find a tool that I’m willing to spend my money on. I was about to “settle” for the leatherman free p4. BUT then you showed me the GOAT!!! I mostly fell in love with it and ordered one after much thought. Hopefully it arrives around my birthday in July.
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Nice, I was just showing my mother the economy Lumberjack she brought me for my birthday when I was 8. She couldn't remember but I certainly do, I thought it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen 😂 I'm 33 now.
@@lincolnbarlow4778 very cool. I had to google it. :)
I totally agree with the pricing. it's crazy how Vic prices hasn't gone up. I know the Leatherman Wave+ was $99 in early 2022 but now it's $119.
Hehe...119 bucks... *cries EU tears*
Still worth it tho.
I use mine about 5 times a day.
(I'm a carpenter)
9:43 Mini pocket pliers based EDC toolkit.
My first.. "encounter" with that EDC philosophy was few month ago released/viewed: "Lightest EDC Pocket Toolkit: 7 Tools, 14 Bits, 5 ¼ Ounces (148g)" by Todd Parker channel (probably also inspired by the same video You mentioned)
His toolkit based mainly on:
Vx Alox Bantam (29g, 84mm single layer knife: blade + combotool), Knipex Cobra mini pliers (60g),mini ratchet + bunch of leatherman bits + other small stuff.
At some point after this I started to think that.. multi tools may.. be overvalued. And how undervalued may be minimalist single layer knives...
And on his usecase mini pliers and single layer Victorinox.. presented as nearly perfect combo as core of.. pocket EDC toolkit.
Anyway as others already commented I also already waiting to see.. Your implementation/vision, version of that type of EDC toolkit
I watched it as well and it was refreshing to see an alternative idea to multitools. I think multitools still shine in being a compact, all in one solution because with a kit, you can misplace or forget items while a multitool always stays as one unit.
@@Manachtron Another.. major concern that I've already encountered as multitool user is that multitool as device with multiple moving/rotating parts placed with high precision are quite sensitive to any kind of.. dust, dirt etc. which is inevitable on regular use and I may not be able to make it's mainternance/cleaning on the field. In addition to this (I suppose) not every multitool user is able to make required mainternance/cleaning by self.
While lools from that other type of EDC kit have significantly less moving parts and much more easier to mainternance/cleaning (and BTW to be honest, yes.. I am not able to safely dissassemble/assemble Victorinox knifes).
If by some reason (lets imagine this situation) we will have mass… denial of multilayer knives like Vx and multitool based EDC kits in favor of mentioned… mini-pliers/blade based EDC kits then in this case "second breathe" can receive other more thin Victorinox models (1,2 layers) like mentioned Alox Bantam - which is In fact are present day vision of original swiss army knife concept from 1890s.
So (in terms of video we comment) in this case Victorinox can be beat by.. other Victorinox models.
I do pair tools, mainly being a knife, pen, MT, depending on what I'm doing I may carry more, or slim my carry down by reducing weight. I would rather just carry a plier based multi-tool and have some more function, it works perfect for me, more times than not I am over prepared. I keep tools in my vehicle as well. If I really need a better pair of pliers or a fastener is not breaking free I have the tools.
the way I see it, victorinox will always complement a leatherman pliers tool in edc ... for me, these 2 combined are perfect; having a need to carry dedicated pliers everyday just means you'd better grab the toolbox, or at least have on hand a selection of actual tools
and yes, clips, 1 hand blade and locking tools on victorinox would be nice
Many thanks, great vid! My choice: Knipex 08 22 145 Pointed Combination Pliers, 145 mm, and a Victorinox Camper (with the saw). Next level: Bits, nuts and a ratchet.
I agree with the pairing of tools. I carry my Leatherman Crunch that allows me to use 1/4” bits, Milwaukee 6-in-1 fastback, Wiha double ended bits, 3” bits extension, mag nut setters, telescoping mag, pocket pry bars and the Surge t-shank saw & file. Saw & file I use with the Leatherman Crunch as you showed in one of your videos. I use a Vanquest PPM pouch to hold the tools.
I love to carry my Swiss tool Spirit Because I don’t have to think about parts but lately I’ve been experimenting with a dedicated plier and a SAK. The spirit has come in handy for some moderate car bodywork
I can't agree enough about the pocket clip. I always add a suspension clip, but it's always a poor compromise.
Sometimes I'll just carry a Super Tinker, olight and Knipex Cobra XS when I want a light all round kit.
My regular EDC solution is a pocket knife, olight, cobra XS and a small pouch with other tools. I discuss this in my first video, but essentially I came to the same conclusion as you that I'd prefer dedicated individual tools that do a better job, alongside a decent knife.
The exception to this is my example above where I want a quick, lighter kit. Like when I'm wearing shorts for example.
I’ve been giving 80% of my carry time to a modded SAK Compact. I realize it’s “ancient” last century tech, but it just works as intended. No fancy blade steel, just some sort of SS that I suspect may be surgical quality. The thin blade is slicier than nearly all of my boutique single blades. And unlike a tactical knife, it’s great for just basic (but frequent) peeling of fruit. The perfect Compact for me doesn’t quite exist: traditional top side two layer but with Philips and awl on the back, with a pocket clip. (Hook and corkscrew are useless to me)
Oh I have seen a mod for the SAK for a one sided thumbstud similar to the Roxon. Unfortunately it’s only for lefties and not friendly to a pocket clip.
The hook needs to go, it’s so useless despite all those secret use videos. I’ve added one those mini screwdrivers to my ranger just so the corkscrew has a use.
@@MichaelB2L the only use I’ve found for the hook is to hold the pen from the plus scales. I do confess to using the file on the back of the Compact hook.
I really enjoy my Victorinox knifes and use them day in and day out. I’m also a collector and have some cherished models.
Maybe I'm an outlier here ,but I don't need a one hand blade or pocket clip, and I can live without a locking blade too.
It varies for me but generally when I'm off work I'm just at home where I have tools everywhere so I still want things on me but they're very small pocket items.
They don't stay home when I go to work, I just ditch the added work carry when I get home.
Either a little Sebertool multitool or the Snapon 44acf paired with a 58mm Vic and my knife / knives for the week.
A multitool is also not a pocket knife for me either.
I've had my Snap-on 44acf a little over a year now and they've definitely been great, I'll go back to my Sebertool multitools for awhile here and there but the little slipjoint pliers sure are great.
When the XS Knipex came out and got really popular I actively resisted them, I definitely wanted to avoid drinking the koolaid but I also favor straight inline jaws for general purpose plier use.
The fact that I also carry a 4" adjustable wrench probably factors into that some.
Btw I think you'll find that the Snapon 44acf doesn't actually have much of a wire cutter.
It's too shallow and curved to fit and bite on most wire, if you're really determined you can get it to clip say a bread tie but it's clearly not meant to be a wire cutter.
The Channellock 524 definitely has an intentional wire cutter which functions just fine, but they're a tad bulkier and not quite as refined so I still favor the Snapon ( I'm a big Channellock fanboy too )
I also am a big proponent for a tool pairing rather than a all in one tool. The pairing gives you more options for customising your tool set without modding the tools. I currently carry a skeletool and mountaineer combo with self made pocket caddy that holds the LM bits, LM ratchet, Nitecore Tiki Gitd, and a pen (Parker Jotter). I used to carry the LM wave for about 5 years. In that time I realised which tools I never use like the wood saw, serrated blade, and eyeglass screwdriver. Also I got very annoyed with the belt carry sheath. It kept snagging on seat belts and would often prohibit me from using my front right pocket, as I would always move the sheath to just over the pocket as this was the most comfortable place to carry the sheath where it was the least likely to get snagged. I have tried carrying the wave in pocket with the pocket clip, but I found it to heavy and bulky. Also now that I have used the Victorinox 91mm scissors, I can never go back.
It's always wonderful to have the proper tool with you when you need it. To me, it just makes life a bit easier, and function just a bit more succinctly (for lack of a better way of putting it.. I guess). I've always loved my little tools (even going back years and years)...and I've carried a Leatherman Surge in a Deadskin leather sheath on my left side for years and years...and years. I also carry a Victorinox Hercules in my pocket, and I have many more tools here and there on me as well. I clearly love tools, and this love is reinforced everytime I need the use of one of these items daily (I'm a truck driver), and without even thinking about it, I just reach for the needed tool (I've kept these different tools in the same place on me for many years), so as I reach...the needed tool is always right there, and for me, this is a wonderful thing. I don't really have a favorite, I love Leatherman as much as I love Victorinox. For me, if it's a well made tool, it is just that, a well made tool, and it's there when I need it. In the words of Hickok 45, life is good, (and I'll add, when you have the tool that you need, when you need it). You've done a great video here sir, and you have a wonderful selection of functional tools. May you put together your perfect tool, and may it serve you well in your needed tasks. Be well.
I'm liking the idea of separate pliers and microtool. I'm not sure if you saw it but Windler is in the process of adding pliers and scissors. Waiting patiently to receive those to see if that system can step up to the plate. I'd love to see Victorinox do a few things: 1) Locking blades on medium size knives... Delemont series had them but they just killed those and you sacrifice scissor quality in that series too, 2) Blade steel upgrade...N690 makes so much sense and I'd throw down additional $ to get a better quality blade, 3) G10 scales (easy to remedy however, love the Prometheus Design Werks options), 4) more options with an inline Philips driver (like the Explorer), 4) Customization service... so many models but none match the set I'm looking for, 5) more models with more versatile tool sets in Alox line. That sheep's foot blade on the Alox Electrician should be on more models rather than a second spear/ pen blade.
Weird comparison but Lego sometimes does creative competitions for new products. This would be such a great idea for Victorinox: do brainstorming / fan suggestions and let the community vote which model gets introduced to the market!
Genius!
I’ve been carrying/using Victorinox knives/multi tools since 1987. Best pocket tools I’ve ever used. I don’t even have any other knives except kitchen knives. Happy camper for sure.
8:22 wow, that's a big statement! definitely will look forward for it.
100% agree with everything said. Over 200g and I'm not carrying an overweight SAK I'm going with a multitool, leatherman or vicotrinox. Victorinox need to innovate a bit more in the 3-5 layer SAK, make more tools with the combo bottle/can opener to save size and weight, make more tools with the bit driver, make more tools with plus scales, make the knife one hand operable. One thing that really gets me is that it would not be difficult to make SAKs without the brass rivet method they use, if they used an easy to disassemble threaded nut with loctite and paid attention to designing some of the tools with the same locking detents, people would have so much fun easily modifying these to what they like.
Me and all of my SAK carrying Swedish friends totally agree, they must start to make models with pocket clips. The one hand opening and locking blades is all so a must but a big no no for the knives law's in most of Europe I guess. The Alox series and 111 mm series aren't whole knives with out clips. We swedes definitely miss a bunch of 85 mm models with scissors. In a country where everybody questions your choice to carry a pocket knife and where it's straight to prison if you carry more than one blade at the same time. An 85 mm compact would be a dream come true.
My dream kit:
Victorinox explorer toolset ( the end flip out phillips - not mid back is most important) with the magnifying glass, cork screw for knots, perfect scissors, the can opener, caplifter, and reamer. Swap out the plain edge on the "smaller" blade for a serrated edge and add the pocket clip of the sentinel on a 111mm frame with the one handed lock blade. That would be my perfect EDC.
Or... All of the above, but replace the small blade with a file (not the finger nail type, but for metal).
Oh and i would carry my Knipex 100mm pliers, they are so good. The Snap on ones look good as well. I really don't mind carrying 2 or 3 items, especially because separate pliers are extremely useful.
For now its my Leatherman Rebar and a flashlight (O-light keychain is great), along with my RAT 1 or 2 or the SWA explorer and the mini - pliers.
Build us the Frankenstein SWA multi tool!😂
I stopped looking for the perfect multi-tool and Swiss Army Knife when I got into dedicated edc tools. Small Knipex, mini bit ratchets, no multi-tool can keep up now. So I just carry something small like a Deluxe Tinker or Farmer X for blades and openers. Many useful things on a small package. The Vic Manager is an awesome example. Sad to see it discontinued.
Competing with Victorinox is tough. Ruike is doing a good job; screw construction, pocket clips, G10 scales, good quality. Others have tried. The James Brand stuff comes to mind, but if your knife is five times the cost and has half the tools of a same-size Victorinox, then you are not competing with Victorinox.
Thanks for the video, Dominic. You reminded me that I need one of those oho Spirits. :D
Not sold on separate tools. Pretty dedicated to a single multitool. Have to admit I’m interested in those snap ons tho. Looking forward to what Victorinox does next.
The flexcut Jack series is absolutely wonderful to use.
I have enjoyed other people’s lost cast offs once in awhile but after a renewed interest in edc knives in general I decided to break down and actually purchase one of their models I liked after doing some research. Well, that was 4 models ago and my affection for them only grows! Lol!
ou definitely speak for me regarding victorinox, and the Spirit. The complimentary ratchet kits are also first rate. I have started to use different kits. The small Knipex are awesome, and while I am not a fan of leatherman multi tools, their bit set, with bit holder and ratchet extender are great. So when I go to the gym at night, I grab my victorinox minichamp, a flashlight, and occasionally the nextool card tool, or nextool mini. When I want a more substantial tool, a longer ride perhaps, the Spirit... always.
From there I have kits. i have sockets in altoids tins, so I know with the victorinox vertical+ ratchet and extenders, the leatherman holder (with bit set and horizontal ratchet) and usually a Sog medium tool with bit driver and bit built in, I can tackle any minor screws/bolts... the knipex come along as well. The Bibury 21 alo has a great bit driver and can sub for the Sog
For something that needs pliers I use the knipex and the Gerber Multiforce. And I took a Gerber small box cutter and hacked it so I can fit a kit of small saw blades on it, for anything requiring basic saw cuts.
These kits work great along with some of the multi tools I have come to love. Victorinox for me has always been the best. The minichamp is amazing! I also love their soldger knife! which is BTW a one handed blade with a n awesome saw.
I have come to two conclusions: Multitools work great with a complementary kit for small/emergency repairs... I don't care how fantastic it is, (you listening Gerber!?) if the bit driver sucks, or does not absolutely lock, I don't use it.
Multitools have one great advantage: its all in one place, you cant lose one, you have to lose the whole package. Bit kits are a whole different story.
Like many things it really goes both ways. As the combo of tools sounds nice as you shouldnt be carrying more than you need and the tools should be more specialized and therefore preform better. However, the main reason I carry a multi (outside of work) is to be better prepared for the unforeseen issues that pop up. It's all but guaranteed if I left a tool(s), such as pliers, at home to lighten my load for the day I would inevitably end up needing it for something.
Use case is also obviously very important. Are we talking for work or outside of work edc? As an electrician I carry a Leatherman skeletool cx everyday (milwaukee fastback 6 in 1 would suffice, but I have a knife habit), 80% of the time it's just a knife as I have at least my linemans, channels, tape measure, flashlight, and 11 in 1 on me at most times but having a screwdriver and some pliers for the odd chance I emptied the rest of my tools saves me a trip often. Outside of work I currently usually have a nicer knife, my rebar, and a flashlight on me, for whatever might come up. I feel like its a never ending game of trying to find the best carry.
I've been experimenting with carrying dedicated pliers and a knife, but I also wanted a few more tools... so I landed on Knipex 5" cobras, a folding knife, and the super tinker. That works great and has me covered as long as I am wearing jeans or cargo shorts.
I've opted for the regular Gerber multi tool, Gerber center drive and folding buck hunter. But your right about the carry. I normally wear Carheart carpenter pants. And I've noticed you convey intelligence.
I think Victorinox is vulnerable in the 91mm size for a US company like Case to swoop in with two or three stratigically placed models to make big a big dent. Most of SAK line is similar models with just a few different implements. The right knife with quality materials/ implements/ design/size/weight/ and price point could do well. How about a design like the 58mm with full size implements on both sides? I'm constantly redesigning these knives in my mind...Can't wait for your creations!
Yea…if case wasnt a joke. Much worse QC, way more expenisve. Rough ryder makes better stuff these days sadly.
Nothing beats my victorinox electrician yet. Slim, lightweight, functional, sturdy, ergonomic, UK legal. But if had a fixed pocket clip, not a tech accessories P7 clip stuck on, and a one handed blade (no idea how that could work in its current form) I’d be ecstatic.
I recently got a 91mm Ranger for £39 ($49 ish). It’s too bulk for pocket carry so I’d like to see better sheaths/pouches from victorinox.
For me gerber with the dual force showed the great potential of mixing slip joint pliers with a multitool, same goes for leatherman with the crunch and locking pliers.
So a multitool with different plier heads and proper use regarding functionality can be one of the greatest things.
Almost every multitool is needlenose based with the 3 same functions for the most part.
I adore my Spirit MXBS. I carry it with a Farmer X and a Microtech UT. Three may seem like a lot but the UT isn't supposed to leave the pocket as its less of a tool and more of a defense implement.
If I need any more utility than what the MXBS and Farmer X offer together than I grab my small toolkit. True pocket tools can only get you so far and we can't ask the world of them either.
A pocket clip is essential in this era of pocket tools and I really hope to see Vic get with it. The 91mm line is legendary for a reason and I really love the 93mm Alox line as well. Vic value is truly exceptional and it's why they're my favorite.
I think a longer Alox would be awesome, 130mm long in the same width etc. and my current dream Alox toolset would likely be: Knife/Awl, magnifier/inline phillips, pliers, scissors, and saw. Would also like to see an Alox Swisschamp, Swisschamp toolset without the backside tools. Just for fun.
I would pay a real premium for a Custom SAK from the factory.
First and formost what anyone is trying to accomplish with a multi-tool system will vary. There is no perfect EDC tool. I tend to have MT layers depending on the expected task for a percived time period.
My layers can vary.
My low use system consist of a Skeletool and a SAK Classic.
My daily work carry is a Surge with a bit kit, rachet driver, and DeWalt reversable 1/4 -7/16 sockets.
When I am responding as a volunteer fierfighter/EMT I add the LM Raptor to the belt.
My Top layer is carried in my EDC bag. This is a 3 compartment bag that has along with wallet, sunglasses, micro first aid, flashlight, ect. I have a mini 4 inch wonder bar a DeWalt 9 foot tape measure, a 4 inch adjustable wrench, and a pair of Knipex 5 inch pliers.
The Skeletool and the SAK classic are carried in my EDC bag and are pocket carried in anticipation of low use.
The layered system works the best for me. I developed it after years of experience and many lost SAK's and LM's and other multitools.
I could barely even finish this video because I had to keep stopping it to think. I think it took me 45 minutes to get through it!!! Very nice. :)
I think that Victorinox items are underpriced, and that is bad for them if they make new models that cost more, where the economies of scale you mentioned are not yet at play, because they are providing their own competition. It is also bad for us, because I think that is why they do not make models with new tools very often. If the Companion comes out in plus scales for $45, people will say they will just buy a climber for $32, or hang on to their old reliable climber that they've had for 60 years. You will need to give them a compelling and cost-effective reason to come out with a new model.
I hope that they are testing the waters for a knifeless 91mm SAK. I hope that you are, too, in your new builds. Not that you should spend $85 and then tear apart a collector's item, but by putting the package opener in place of the can opener, they can simply remove the blade layer from any successful SAK and have a nice tool, or they could replace the cap lifter with the combo tool. There are so many reasons to have knifeless SAKs, in particular because knives are popular and people want a dedicated knife, and because knives are prohibited!! LOL
As some other commenters have noted - Victorinox is moving toward locking, one-handed opening blades (with pocket clips even!) with their current Evoke lineup. The fact that the thumb studs are removable makes me think that they have a particular concern about some European markets. My opinion is that getting rid of the 85mm Delemont models is being done to leave an opening for another lock style. If you look at all the stuff they are getting rid of, it seems that they are trying to make their lineup make sense and not confuse people. You almost have to be a SAK expert to understand what's different between a Classic, Classic SD, Executive 81, and Ambassador, for example - and three of those are now gone! (I do think that many of the 130 mm Delemont knives are staying, but I don't know.)
In answer to your question - I prefer one multitool or SAK, but I have a lot of them so I can always carry the one I need. I actually look forward to tasks that require a full-sized pliers so that I have a reason to carry a pliers-based multitool! LOL Does not seem like a fair answer to your question.
Thank you for the very nice and thought-provoking video.
Anne
You're right the quality is fantastic with the scissor brakes sometimes that's about it everything else holds up they don't always break the scissors only on some of them
I guess I've been 'pairing' without realising it: Spyderco Ladybug + Victorinox Jetsetter.
I'm "knife first", but also a teacher, and not yet 40, so no belt pouches for me. All this limits the size of the kit I can edc. I love the VI Classic, because it's tiny, will bother no-one, yet has immense utility. Its weakness is the blade. It suffices in the office, but with anything beyond that it falls short. The Spyderco Ladybug is at the sweet spot for me: Small enough to disappear in my pocket, but substantial enough to perform any task I need it to. But now the tiny blade on my Classic is superfluous, what to do? Easy, replace it with a Jetsetter: Out with the knife and file, and in with a Phillips #0/1 screwdriver. Suddenly all those annoying battery compartments shut with tiny screws are much less annoying.
Greetings Dominic! Lots of good points brought up. I've carried SAKs for as long as I can remember and have a decent collection I've accumulated over time both new and used I've bought and you're so right. The quality is second to none. Doesn't matter if it's a 58 mm or a 91 mm, just doesn't. They always are great. I carry LMs and Gerbers too, an occasional SOG multitool but I always have a SAK either on my keychain or pocket or both 😮 they just work. I've been carrying the Compact the last few weeks and really enjoying it. And the prices ( don't let them think they're going too cheap 😅) are very reasonable in comparison to other knife and multitool manufacturers. They're so good I gave all of my grandsons & granddaughters some for Christmas as their first knife if they were old enough of course. Mainly because I know they will last a lifetime if taken care. So yeah, you don't have to prod me too much. I'll get on the band wagon, heck I've been on it for a long time 😅
Hey Dominic, love your videos and analysis! I think the reason you don't see more locking blades/tools from Victorinox is the wide variety of knife laws in the many countries they sell products in. It's probably more cost effective to just make (most of) their knives as slip joints rather than making a locking version for the countries where those are legal, and a non-locking version of the same knife/tool for the markets where locking blades are prohibited.
The economy gained in manufacturing process with that strategy has got to be huge. It makes sense too - when you look at the 39 models of SAK that Victorinox recently announced would be discontinued, they are mostly models that are largely duplicates of (or have a lot of overlap with) other, better selling, more popular models that they make. The simple fact is, the biggest competition for something like the Victorinox Huntsman... is another Victorinox product!
All that said, I think you're making some great points here. Just wanted to point out the reason I don't think we're likely to see more locking blades from Victorinox than we already do.
Ahh, but they basically already have tools that lock (111mm, and clips sentinel clip, and the 111 already has 1 handed blade.. they just need to put it all together.
@@maxlvledc You're right - they do already have locking blades on some models. But they are by far the minority of models Victorinox makes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't really see Victorinox ever really reversing that trend given the world wide reach they seem to want most of their products to have...
I really wanna see a chimera of Victorinox and other tools. SAK with a cobra xs popping out.
Yup, I have over 50 victorinox knives, dated 1972 to 2022 not a single defect even the used collector military ones, awesome value
SAK classic on my work keys, SAK Compact in my pocket when I am off of work. The closest thing I’ve found and like that is close is the leatherman T4. I like it a otf but it’s a fat boy.
Edit: I just started carrying 4” knipex instead of my wave or rebar. Leatherman t4( or sak compact)and knipex 4” or 5” along with a good folding knife takes care of most things thrown at me during my day.
The explorer is the king on pocket knives imo especially here in the UK where our laws are crazy. I carry mine ALL the time, I feel lost without it!
A modular multitool in a more victorinox shape that can have tools be easily mix and matched is something I would love. I think a pairing a regular thing of pliers with a multitool would be the best though.
Combination of tools is always better. But, you don't always carry them with you, hence why there are mutlitools like those.
It reminds me of the umbrella problem. Where is the best place to leave your umbrella? The EDC guy says in your bag ever at the ready, but the analytical guy says leave it home for all the times you actually need it. So if having a good plier always available is the goal, then choose either a 4 inch plier plus an SAK, or a good plier centric multi-tool. Maybe decide by type of plier, weight or bulk. If instead, you rather carry what you think you need, then have an accessible array of SAKs, Leathermans, and pocket pliers in your top dresser drawer and decide the day of. 🤔🤨
I'm not a fan of slip joint blades, they are an accident waiting to happen. When I found Victorinox offered a locking blade pocket knife in the medium size, the S17 and S101, I snatched them up, and I love them. With a pocket clip attached, the S17 is my EDC.
I carry at least 1 EDC pouch at all times. Therefore I like the idea of carrying multiple tools. the most used tools such as my knives, flashlight, and prybar go in the pockets. If a situation arises where I need a different tool (pliers for example), I just pull out the pouch and get it out.
Just wanted to put this out there, maybe something you could look into but I just herd the brand called Klein plier wrench. Looks like a interesting tool.
Klein tools. Their tools are great quality.
What I think is…it’s criminal I don’t own a Victorinox multi tool! I also go back and forth from one tool to multi small tools. Depends on what I’m doing. Can’t wait to see what you are working on.
I like this "paired combo" idea you got. I'd have to agree that a task dedicated tool is just sometimes the only option. A large diameter jaw plier with a stranded wire cutter like for safety cables is what I'm looking for. So far I can only pair a large to carry channel lock and equally large cable cutters on my hospital scrubs.
Just to have a Leatherman Freestyle has an advantage than just carrying a singular pocket knife in many situations. Having a knife blade incorporated with a plier is super handy. Pliers are very nice by themselves or in a multitool. I like my new Curl and fairly new Bond together sometimes because I enjoy having them so much. Why carry two multitools with similar tool sets, the pliers are so handy. For me, they're an extension of my fingernails and fingertips. From something as mundane to taking the sticker backing off felt pads to twisting tie wire to tarps to tightening fasteners, etc. I just love plier based multitools, just to carry them alone is an advantage. A small pair of Channel Locks and a Leatherman, WOW! Imagine that.
I was on a quest to find the perfect multi tool for a few years, but then I tried the Knipex Cobras and I just stopped looking. Your assessment at the end describes me too -- I'm still interested in the "perfect" multi tool, and I'm still interested to see innovations, but I fell in love and the Knipex have become a non-negotiable part of my carry. I've tried a few SAKs to fit what I run into but they've just been slight variations on a theme. It's surprsing to me there aren't more pocket organizers, pouches, carriers, etc, that cater to the specific Knipex + SAK combos, especially for the larger SAKs.
I noticed on the Victorinox website, their latest releases included folder knives with a thumb stud and pocket clip.
In my case I would rather not have a locking blade because we cannot carry them here in England
A very good video with a interesting future direction. I've carried Victorinox, Leatherman and Gerber tools for years. Victorinox is by far the best quality, value and weigh tool. I completely agree with the pocket clip comment. Bringing one-handed, locking tools would significantly narrow Victorinox's world market. I don't know whether the U.S. market can support that direction. I've been minimizing my EDC lately. I've gone completely away from large multitools in favor of smaller individual tools. I have an urban EDC kit with a small pair of pliers along with many other essentials. I tuck it in my messenger bag with my EDC tech kit and laptop or put it in the door bin of my truck. I'm looking forward to your new tool ideas. Keep weight and size at the forefront of you thought process.
The USA is actually Victorinox's #1 buyer...yea I think they can..if only to revamp the 111mm line
@@maxlvledc Thanks for the additional information on market share. Revamping one line as a start would be a good strategy.
I like the separate tools better right now because of value. I can pair SAK and Knipex for under $100 and be at top tier quality for all those functions. A "top tier" multi tool costs more right now.
Oh... I carry a Knipex Cobra XS in combination with Victorinox Rambler (keychain) and a main blade.
separate knife.
Big fat adjustable pliers. Mostly in a car. Sometimes in a bag. I use them mostly to grab on stuff in and out of fireplace, moving coals, denting dry branches to break them... There's a limit tho. Of course when you need a sledgehammer a hatchet wont cut it. Unless you find yourself using something over and over, it just needs to be in reach. Not in your pockets
I wonder if the fact that it is a private company, which enables it to not pander to greed stock share holders, allows it to give good quality tools to its customers.
The special mechanic was the ultimate SAK. I wish they brought that one back. Knife, pliers, screwdriver and nail file/cleaner. If they made it with the super scales...
Agree with "anything over 6 oz. should have a pliers attached to it..." For sentimental reasons I carry a belt sheathed 6 layer Swiss ("Handyman?" "Master Tinker?") with pliers, saw, file, pull hook, awl, can and bottle openers, scissors, and the 2 standard blades.
Also EDC SOG Powerpint has become "The Tool," and the Swiss is mostly for the scissors...
Keep a Dime in my coin purse for "back up." Somehow I can't let go of the utility of a multitool. If I was on some specific project, I'd gladly add a Knipx. I just can't let go of the utility of a multitool... Noooo... Your vids are sooner of later going to cost me a Vict MX Pocket Clip. Haven't succumbed yet...
I carry a FieldMaster with a Knipex XS pliers A Flashlight and Modern Pocket knife with a clip and I'm good too go !!! Thanks for the video
Don't know the exact laws but in some EU places 1 handed opening is illegal, and it specifies w/ or w/o assisted opening.
The traditional SAK format works well because it's easily pocketable, has a variety tools (but not meant as a toolbox replacement), and is non-threatening. It just works, and while some innovation is good, Victorinox has been smart enough to play to their strengths, rather than chasing the knife-topic du jour like so many other companies. Vics are timeless in a way, while other knives will look dated or outright stupid years later. I'm glad they don't just change for the sake of it, and instead take a slower, more thoughtful approach. The only thing I'd like to see them do is drop Celidor for Nylon or something else more durable, but I get that Celidor is ingrained in their brand as much as anything.
I use a pairing system, swiss army climber and a small Thai company pliers, it works well for me. I've had the Swiss army knife brand for over 40 years now 👍
Your question is food for thought. Good video.
I like the pairing of tools, I just love the minimalism of one tool. Your going to laugh, but I have not been able to stop pocket carrying my Victorinox Hercules. Yes, I said pocket carry. The Hercules is a five layer tool and is the same width as my six layer Handyman. The one aspect I love about the Hercules is that I have Five screwdrivers on this tool (with a micro screwdriver in the corkscrew). I love how these larger models have the "hidden" tools under tools. I think they only do this with certain 111 mm SAK, but I really think this is an area they should incorporate into other models. I also feel that the 111mm scales need to have the ability to have "plus scales". I would really love being able to have this option. The Victorinox pliers are also pretty useful, and I use the leverage trick that Diezelle57 posted on one of his videos, showing how to get more force with these pliers. No, they won't be as useful as those Snap On pliers. Thanks for sharing, can't wait to see what's coming.
I pair my EDC multitools. I like to have options and redundancies with me so should one be not efficient enough, I can reach for the beefier option. I used to carry a pocket folder knife and a plier-based multitool, but nowadays I carry a Victorinox Compact in an Alpaca pouch and a Victorinox Soldier ‘08 holstered on my belt. While I do reach for my Victorinox Compact nine times out of ten because I live in an urban environment and the most used tools in my set are the parcel hook, scissors, the small screwdriver, and the nail file; when there are times that a beefier or a more unusual task at hand requires the most unusual tool - I reach for the Soldier 08. A one-handed, locking serrated knife and a woodsaw can come in handy, and the sharpened reamer is good at cutting price tags when you don’t want to use an actual knife. You can never go wrong with a Victorinox…better if you have two that compliment each other. Good video!
Europeans don't care one bit about a pocket clip on their Victorinox knives (and the same usually goes for one-hand opening, and locking blade). I've only seen Americans making a case for it. However, because the US market share is so significant, I wouldn't be surprised if Victorinox ends up giving in to their wish. As you said, you were surprised to see Victorinox launch the Swiss Tool back in the day (and so was I). I think Victorinox has been going in the right direction, maintaining its tradition while leaving some room for innovation (mostly among limited edition knives).
Uh wow!! This video hits the right spot.
I love specific single tools for their job, plier is a plier- knife is a knife and so on.
The charm of a multitool in one package with all the capabilities is also awesome. Man!! Thats a tuff one.
But in my case I’ll decide to go with separate tools. Just because of the comfort of use!! At my work i use A delica ore similar as a knife, Knipex cobra 150or less (just because I cant get that snapon! I’d like that one more) and a small ratchet set the most of the time, I might ad a screw driver with replacement bit’s. Of course in a optimized tool bag with a laptop and some adapter cables.
As a EDC a Victorinox scout sized knife a classic on the keys is all i needed till now hope it stays like this. Hope it helps on your decision.
Great video!
Sog power pint. Very similar size and weight with pliers that are pretty good.
Leatherman does the super steel knife blade and over all quality is good.
SOG does the compound leverage pliers and has good assortment of tools.
Victorinox does quality of craftmanship the best and has good assortment of tools.
Gerber does the cool one hand gravity slide out plies and has an ok assortment of tools.
Scissors and a good file would be great on the Leatherman signal and maybe a tiny LED light.
I prefer the plier based multi tool with needle nose.
Looking forward to your mods.
For me… a separate pliers with a 3 or 4 payer SAK best covers my bases… multitool pliers are too limited (I love the adjustability of the Knipex Cobra.) I do wish more SAK included an inline phillips… An Explorer with plus scales has become my frequent carry.
I've always had problems with the springs of the scissors from Victorinox. I must have broken 20-30 in the last 20 years. Luckily you can get them for a few cents. :D
I completely agree that victorinox needs to innovate some of its tool sets for sure! We need some new (preferably useful) implements or at least some updated ones. A more useful file and maybe something other than the hook please?
The main issue will be the cost though. I know you were talking about how good they've been at keeping costs pretty steady, but look at the compact. I consider the compact pretty close to perfect for what I really want for my usual EDC. But at its price I can also buy another multiforce or multiples of other victorinox knives. I think they would definitely charge similar prices for any new knives they would roll out.
But all that to say, I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
Thanks for this great review of Victorinox! I will buy one for myself now -
0:52 that’s technically a wenger knife (some of them are superior to Victorinox in my opinion). They got in financial trouble a while back, so Victorinox bought them before a chinese company (who had the intention to) could buy them and ruin the reputation of swiss army knifes. Today they all say „Victorinox“ on the blade, but if you get a used one, you might stumble about an older one still saying „wenger“. I got one new as they announced that victorinox bought them 😉👍
As I gather all my "stuff" and try to develop what my EDC strategy for any particular day will be, it becomes difficult to really pin something down in my mind. It has happened so many times where I just grab my Leatherman, keys, and wallet thinking to myself that I probably don't even need the Leatherman.(or anything) The days I don't think I need anything, are the days that something happens. For now, I am going to be in experiment mode and see what I come up with.
I carry a Swiss Spirit MX Clip with a Knipex 8701125 and a Sofirn SC18 flashlight. For me the perfect combination.
I think people tend to forget that Victorinox is not a tool company, they are a lifestyle company built off the back of the best selling tool of all time. They are not interested in refining and perfecting their multitools, they want to sell luggage, fragrances, and watches at luxury prices while being associated with the multitool branding. They are discontinuing models to reduce machining cost and warranty repair, not to make more room for innovative new models.
I bought an Alox pioneer x back in Nov '22, and it's been in my pocket everyday since. 80% of the time it is the scissors I'm reaching for, those fantastic scissors.
If Victorinox ever made an Alox model that just had the 93mm scissors, I think it would sell like hotcakes.
I carry pioneer x too and love it. I plan to mod mine, remove the blade layer, and replace the can opener with the sheep foot blade from the electrician. I carry a folder pocketknife too so I don’t need the sak blades.
@@focojeepr I guess I use my blade too much to remove it, but if you have another standalone blade, I can see why you don't want the redundancy.
I wish Victorinox made a SAK “Ranger” with a Philips driver on the back instead of the corkscrew. That would be my EDC pocketknife/tool.
I had this debate with myself lol. I decided with the handyman with plus scales and when I need heavy duty pliers not heavy duty tweezers I just grab my leatherman which is in my tool bag. I am considering modding the handyman because I want my parcel hook to have the fingernail file like the compact. I think I can put on a combo can opener in place of the small blade and drop the can opener and bottle opener, id have to adjust the awe to fit the smaller layer. Im not sure its worth it for a smaller form factor tho lol
Yes, pocket clip, but maybe no. Why? I think one of the great things about the classic SAKs, is the ergonomic aspect of the scales. They move in and out of a pocket perfectly, yet aren’t so slick, that they’re hard to grip. Not just that, but they balance well in the hand and don’t have any edges that ruin the comfort factor when you’re using any tool. That would change if w pocket clip were added. I do understand the desire, I use the clips (can’t think of the company that makes them) that attach to the key ring which is marginally obtrusive, but not horribly so.
I did once buy an SD as a gift and the scales were warped; you could see a gap between the scale and metal in the middle and when you squeezed it down it would spring back out. It seemed like the handful of models they had at this particular hardware store (in Indonesia) had the same issue. I don’t know if they are just more likely to let things slip past quality control for markets like this one. I thought maybe they had been left in the hot sun or something, but the blister packs seemed fine and I’ve never been particularly precious with my own saks. That said, they have otherwise been bombproof and I have never had any concern picking them up second hand.
Been carrying knipex 4-5 inch pliers in addition to SAK they are perfect. Try freeing hoses with a multitool.
The smaller version of the Snap-On Talon long nose slipjoint pliers, with 3 adjustments looks really promising for EDC.
If you actually have the need to use tools a lot, then yes a pairing /kit makes sense. If your tool using needs are limited then the multitool makes more sense. If all you do is turn screws once in awhile then most Victorinox models will work.
I really like the idea of sepperating tools BUT I have 1 concern. That is the pocketabillity. Now I put my ST spirit in my pocket and I have it all with me. If you sepperate the pliers and the knife, it uses more pocketspace and adds weight.
My opinion: if you carry on body/in pants, I would go for the all in 1.
Of body/backpack carry, split it and go for dedicated tools.
PS: big thanks for the cool video and mindset.
Jens (Belgium)
Good Leatherman with a clip is primary, extra bits etc in my bag. Backed up by an SAK for social work. Leatherman don’t have corkscrews and they don’t look quite right cutting up the meat and cheese for the lady.
That 2nd heavy tool, Vitronox competitor you didn't say what it was, link in the description. Ruike RKELD42B. Only 5 left on Amazon. Pro mechanics at work swear by Vitronox Swiss multitool, and they carry other tools as well, of course. I really like the SAK Tinker (so many color ways, toothpicks, tweezers, lanyards) I edc mine in a sheath. And I edc a Knipex 4" plier for my light EDC. And i really like the Milwaukee 6 in 1 utility knife ( I'm not a mechanic). Might consider a Nitize clip for the Tinker. Really enjoy your indepth information. Thank you.
Max thanks for the button knife test the other day, impressive.
Combination is better. The 4" slip joint is cute.