Cyclists Don't Deserve This
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Contains strong language. For good reason. I thought I was being hit by sand falling from a builder's truck, such was the force on my back it could have knocked me easily into the kerb. Then, I realised I was soaked all over and my bike was covered in sticky chocolate and I saw the offender drop the MacDonald's cup into the road. The police were unable to find the driver (who was not the registered keeper), although they know his name. The driver (of no fixed address) took the vehicle off the road and crunched it, no doubt to prevent him being stopped in the future by the police who might then uncover other nefarious activities. Odd thing, the law does not allow the keeper nor the driver to be charged with the assault carried out by the passenger but they can be charged on his behalf with the minor offence of his littering. So, the keeper got a Fixed Penalty Notice for littering. Hey ho, a result of sorts and the driver's down one van.
Assault plain and simple.
The van has not been scrapped. It is currently taxed, insured, and has a current MOT.
Good thing you recorded it, the best thing that could of happened for this situation.
could HAVE happened .. should HAVE, would HAVE, may HAVE etc. Correct English demands 'have' not 'of' - never 'of'
... or if you want to use contractions it becomes could've, should've, would've; and so on ... but never 'of'
@@grahamwright6841 let's not forget out punctuation marks at the end of our sentences.
Yes, but it came to nothing as the police didn't prosecute. It was too difficult for them.
Well done for reporting it, even though virtually nothing happened it's on record.
Hi Simon, I'm a reporter for a press agency in the UK - I'd love to chat with you about this video. Would you be interested in speaking on this?
To what end?
@@simonscycling3692 The video is shocking and I'd like to speak to you in order to put an article together to tell your story on it.
@@ryannixon5550 OK - what's your number?
@@ryannixon5550 I've DM'd you, as requested.
@@ryannixon5550 Help get the Barsteward owner, who if he wasn't in the van MUST know who was, the best punishment is name and shame in the paper....
Hope the police will be paying the driver and his coward passenger a visit
No mate the police don't do police work any more.
@@neilrogers6767 What an utterly STUPID comment.
@@buffbayboy1 🤦♂️ stick to licking windows and dipping your chips in your top pocket as you would look more intelligent than you are .
@@kylewilliams6091 What world are you living in???. At least I speak in a way which can be understood. Did you actually go to school although it appears you didn't learn anything.
Well, who was driving? Not me.
I think you cyclist are brave facing our roads on nothing more than a push-bike . I ride a motor-cycle and the shit i deal with on a daily basis is bad enough cant imagine how terrible it must be for you....
Good thing my country rarely has these kinds of behavior, its disgusting, it also shown that how low in moral and uneducated are the passenger or maybe even the driver🙄🤢🤮, hope the others dont get these behaviors one day, Stay safe guys
Totally agree with that!
Absolutely disgusting behaviour😡. well done to the biker 🚲 to reporting it to the police 👮♀️
Thank you. 😊
Not sure where you got the information from on this vehicle but its just been re-taxed, might want to contact the plod again, sumut dodgy up with this one.
The police assured me that it had been scrapped and they'd had that verified. Curiouser and curiouser.
@@simonscycling3692 the police lied to cover that they'd done nothing? Shocked.
@@FnixGhod1 it was taxed in early September, probably before the police had spoken to the owner (who was not the driver). The police told me in late September it had been taken off the road, not least because the driver didn't want to be found by driving around in it. Let's see if the MOT is renewed next week, when it expires. If it is, then we will know that someone is spinning a yarn.
Have you not traced the address ? Just publish it here and let natural justice take its course.
Ummm yeh cyclist are hardly popular
As the registration number of the vehicle is clearly visible it should be easy to find out who the owner/driver of the vehicle at that particular time. Surely it shouldn't take almost three months to find that information?. Inactive Police or what?.
The keeper was no longer in contact with the driver, but told the police who it was (eventually). The driver was of no fixed abode, so difficult to find, except should the vehicle be spotted on the road again. The driver took the precaution of scrapping it, to avoid that as it may have interrupted him going about other unlawful business. Also, the offender was the passenger so he remained a further step removed from being identified. The police decide not to commit the resources need to find him.
@@simonscycling3692 Thanks for your reply. It would appear any excuse is used and sadly now accepted to nullify any further police action. Sad sign of our times.
and it wasn't the driver, its the passenger that sits on the left...
@@dockerandy I have been driving for over 60 years and I do know who sits where on British road systems. Don't need that kind of conduct from any stupid moron irrespective if it is the driver or passenger.
@@buffbayboy1 don't you both get a fine in a car when the passenger is in the car with no seat belt ? The drivers in control of the vehicle care of duty on the passenger, the driver has some fault in this if the passenger can't be found surly
Im sorry this happened to you. Thing is, as you will know Simon, its very common. My own explanation of it is that some stupid people (they are very stupid) find it amuses or satifies them to take it out on someone they perceive as weaker than them. In my experience this kind of bullying happens to ANYONE perecived to be in a minority group - ie a group smaller than the majority. In my life (im getting on a bit now) Ive seen this kind of bullying towards cyclists, people perceived as disabled, LGBTQ people (particularly trans people recently) etc. As I see it the bullies need to make themselves feel big so they take it out in someone weaker (in this case the cyclist because he has no petrol engine). I’ll bet they are cowards in practice. This is why some categories are protected in law - because they get it a lot. But if you have ever been in a minority group for anything you will have experienced this kind of behaviour. I think the worst examples are the bullying of homeless people sleeping on the streets. As a cyclist I have often had bottles thrown at me from car windows, abuse shouted in the hope you will be surprised and have an accident, cars swerve towards me to scare me - but some people have worse. Those who do these things are pathetic human beings.
Thank you for your words. I agree. It's a reminder for us all to be mindful of and kind to anyone living a marginalised life, for whatever reason.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes 😊
Yes, the driver had to crush his van and buy a new one. Otherwise, the police had a reason to stop this vehicle and search it whenever they came across him driving it. That would have hampered his line of "work". So, he won't be assaulting any other cyclists.
You did mean the cyclist right?
Report the soab
If you go on gov.uk vehicle enquiry you can see it has a current MOT and is taxed until Sep 2022 so most definitely has not been scrapped. Date of last logbook issued was 21 Sep 2021. I hope police can trace who did this
Thank you. The police said it was scrapped at about that time, late Sept. So the log book might have been registered on handover to the breakers. Tax paid before that was probably given up, if not part refunded on SORN declaration. DVLA record keeping might not be up
-to-date. We will know better if MOT is renewed later this month, if the vehicle is still on the road. The police know who the driver was but decided not to find him as he'd be unlikely to identify the passenger who committed the assault.
Pretty sure that is assault
Yes it was. The police investigated it as an assault but gave up.
I saw a video on RUclips yesterday, where they finally caught up with and arrested a woman who threw cold soup in a restaurant workers face. I hope the van driver gets the same comeuppance.
We live in hope!
If you do that in germany, you can lose your driving licence
I feel sure, had it happened in Germany, the police would have pursued it to prosecution, whereas our police are largely indifferent to the plight of cyclists.
So basically the police did f**k all... Brilliant.
That's it. In a nutshell.
@@simonscycling3692 it scares me that now they think they can get away with this! What if they thought it would be a great laugh to hold a bat or metal pole out the window?
Didn't hit you just scared you what's the problem?
If it didn't hit me how come I was drenched. Let me throw a cup of hot drink at you from a moving vehicle, if only 20 MPH, and you can then tell me what sort of punch it wields. Otherwise, shut up.
Hopefully someone will get justice for you
Vehicle MOT has expired
it has now - it has been taken off the road and scrapped. He had to get himself some new wheels, so that the police wouldn't stop him in the future in relation to this offence and inadvertently catch him undertaking some other nefarious activity (i.e. with nicked stuff in the back)!!
@@sprlowe - you know this person?
No. The police do!
Guilty of littering too!
Yes. The registered keeper of the vehicle got a ticket from Derbyshire Council for that. A result of sorts. Shame the police weren't as effective and couldn't be bothered to prosecute the driver and his mate for the assault.
whats the reg i can get it
The reg. # is clearly displayed in the video.
Surely the keeper could be done for aiding and abetting the offender, obstructing the police enquiry?
Ride on the path simple
No.
@matty1597 Typical for the cycling community. We have space, in places where bikes and cars can mix fairly safely but where I live, half of all bike/car/pedestrian accidents are caused by the bike.. No insurance, no registration number to claim a report on if they flee.. A privilege is more like it but to offer them a safer alternative like a path shame on you! How dare you upset Lance Armstrong here with your logic and sense.
I hope you reported it . The cowards were probably laughing while the kissed and cuddled on another in the van later.
W/O reading the comments... I hope he saved the cup with the finger prints on it!
Sadly, I didn't think to do that at the time. Too shocked by it all tbh.
@Nigel Buckham not me but the wife has gotten me into the habit of keeping ziplock bags in the car.
Get his name go to his house and throw it in his face! Makes me soo angry!
I think the problem for the police was that he didn't have a home as such!
I can’t believe what I’m seeing..did the passenger of the van throw drink on you?
@WayneTulip-zm9gw Yes, exactly that. I couldn't belive it either, as it hit me harder than you'd think.
Was the drink hot? You could claim compensation.
@@WayneTulip-zm9gw Not by the time it hit me, fortunately. the police found the driver but failed to follow up and prosecute. The reasons were inadequate. they didn't tell me who the driver was or where I could find him.
No they do not.
Hope he doesn't make it home, that bastard who threw the liquid !!
Unfortunately, he made it home and away. The police didn't find him. Then gave up.
hab tatsächlich vergessen, die Toten zu zählen .....
war aber keine...?
Is that the climb from Grindleford to fox House?
Nearly - from Baslow towards Chesterfield not far before the Robin Hood Inn.
Lol nice 👍🏼
With allergies that could have killed someone!
Get off the road.
But how would I cycle 5,000 miles a year, if not on the road?
@@simonscycling3692Move to a country where it's safer(for everyone) for you to ride. Pick better roads, get a peleton. The rest of the world you live around doesn't care about your little goal that tells you you're still alive. They do want to get home safely and not risk killing someone nightly just because someone has a goal.
Until cyclists pay! For the roads they use you have no rights! to be on it let alone impeding the flow of trafic that said the guy in the van is a dick but there is a perfectly good side walk with no on on it
Don't be silly. That's a pavement not a sidewalk.
@@simonscycling3692 eater way its some wear you can ride out of the way 😉
@@mikeondabike420 But it is not. It is illegal to cycle on pavements in the UK. Pavements are for people who walk.
@@simonscycling3692 its also to impede the flow of traffic no? And i don't see a sole on it
@@mikeondabike420 No, it is not. Otherwise, all farm tractors and heavy trucks would not be allowed on the roads nor all those cars who impede me when they're congesting the highway and I can't get by. You're suggesting that whenever you catch the vehicle in front, the driver in front must move out of the way so as not to impede the faster car coming from behind - that's nonsense if you give it just a moment of thought. Anyway watch all the other vehicles pass me without slowing down. They are not impeded, so you don't have a point to make at any rate. The only reason the van slowed down was to get close enough to hit me. The only law that was broken, was assault.
Keep the cup
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Obviously a business van. Find out what the business is, make sure they don't get any work.
The only business the driver and his mate are involved in is petty theft and crime IMHO. One reason he scrapped the van was so that the police wouldn't stop him in connection with this attack and by chance discover his most recent haul of nicked stuff in the back.
What a plonker.
I suppose, on a narrow 2 lane road where I have the decent option to ride on the path when possible to avoid forcing others to possibly interact with oncoming traffic just because "I have a right to be here!" I think you were both being idiots personally.
If there's room for everyone, play on. If not, play smart. You both failed the test. Be glad it was just a liquid and not the mug.
Ooh Ooh! Were you wearing lots of spandex like you were in a race?! Ride as far away from traffic as you can while trying to pretend you're in that French race and allow their safe distance from you, to allow them a safe distance from oncoming traffic. I mean shot's sake dude, take some responsibility. I was thinking this from the moment this began to play.
Entitled driver vs entitled bicyclist. Who care who's more in the right?
Did you call the police?
Yes, with the video evidence, I thought it was a dead-ringer for an easy prosecution for common assault. The police couldn't manage it though, so it was dropped.
Read the report from the start.
When cyclists start paying road tax and are required to have insurance, they will have the right to complain. Until then, suggest they keep quiet.
Oh, yawn, yawn, yawn. I pay road tax on two vehicles. I am a member of British Cycling which means I AM INSURED when I ride my bicycle, for any damage I may do to a third party such as a little turd like you who might think it fun to step off a pavement in front of me. So, I have insurance, unlike the thousands of drivers who are not insured to drive and kill, injure and main people every day on our roads. So, go and find something you know about to comment on you tedious little p**ck.
Insurance and registration numbers are a must since (in Seattle) half the accidents involving them, are caused by them.
@@simonscycling3692 Typical, no responsibility. And when you cause the accident on a street on your bike, how do I report you if you run? "skinny white guy wearing an obsession level amount of spandex?"
So if I pay fees in most of my cars, I get a pass on 2 or 3 being unregistered? Brilliant mate.
@@Local_Boydidgood What the f are you talking about. Have you been at the bottle?
Well done
At least you reported it
I made a statement to the police and they did a cursory investigation. Then, they gave up!
Going up towards Chesterfield from baslow by the look of it , gets even worse round the corner , going to cycle that myself soon and I'll be using the pavement as it's a hill and I will be slow ,
No need for that by the moronic van driver though chap 😐
Have a nice ride - I hope you manage it before the snow comes.
The van did pass a bit close, not sure why the bell/horn was sounded when the two cars passed with enough distance.
There is no bell/ horn being sounded. The beeping sounds are on the camera, and can only be heard on the video. Perhaps you mean that noise? Anyway, the point of the video was not the close pass but the assault that followed. The driver positioning his van to set me up for the attack by the passenger who poured a hot drink over me. As you say, there was plenty of room to pass, as shown by the other cars, so there's no excuse for a provocation.
AJ06 EEP
The police told me that the vehicle was taken off the road and scrapped by the driver, as soon as he knew they were onto him. It is assumed that he did so, in order to avoid being stopped in the future in relation to this offence. That might have given the police the chance to uncover other petty crimes in progress, which it is imagined, he wanted to avoid. At least we know this attack cost him a new set of wheels if not a criminal conviction for assault. Not satisfactory, but it is what it is. I doubt he will do it again, if it is likely to upset his mainline of income - petty theft and the like. Or maybe, he is a law-abiding citizen and the passenger, who threw the cup, was a hitch-hiker unknown to the driver before that day and the driver scrapping the van immediately he got notice of intended prosecution was a coincidence.
FWIW. I still think, that anyone not in a motorised vehicle, should ride on the RH side of the road, ie, against the traffic.. The cyclist can see what is coming, as can also the motorist. This riding on the LH side, with traffic, is a Womans, A Sheilas idea. Can anyone explain the benefits of the current rule/law...?
Good idea mate - as long as they're followed by an ambulance (on the same side of the road, of course)
@@sprlowe Why. Why is more dangerous. I say it is safer...!
@@markneedham8726 And THAT is what makes it a good idea, right? Not like many others, probably experts in things like traffic studies and such, have given this any thought or anything. 🤔 A bicycle is a vehicle, so travels with them.
@@troyjollimore4100 Just for fun, walk down a country/suburban road, where a bicycle could/would travel. Do it both ways., with and against the traffic. Which way makes you most aware of the "Other Traffic" on the road...?
@@markneedham8726 Have done. Of course you’re going to see more traffic going the wrong way, but closing speeds will be higher on a bicycle. You’ve seen videos of how they clash with pedestrians as well. Besides, a bicycle is a ‘vehicle’. Goes with the flow of traffic. Wouldn’t it make sense for motorcycles to ride the other way, as well? 😉
I have engaged in many fistfights over the long years.
Most of them were cyclist vs. drivers.
Cyclist won every time.
arklat, that's odd, in my experience the drivers won every time.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHHA exactly what u deserve HAHAHAHAHA
You clearly have an enfeebled mind. Now, go back to your basement and try and be more useful before you come out again.
Pretty bad. Even worse if I knew who he was. Could it be the owner? Naaaaaaah.
No - owner and driver are not the same person - not the same gender, even, as it happens. That's all I know.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quit using the road, there’s a sidewalk right there, what he did was wrong, but don’t be a dick anyways
Bicycles do not belong on the sidewalk. They belong on the road, and they have right of way on that road. The van driver, I hope, was found and charged.
@@Gk2003mHaving a right and being an a-hole by forcing vehicles to go into oncoming traffic because there isn't enough allotted space for 2 cars and a bike, safely doesn't make it smart to exercise that right like an idiot who cares only about their "right" and themselves more than for the safety of vehicles that kill upon impact.. Does it!?
@@Local_Boydidgood it does not force those vehicles to do that. What it forces them to do is exercise patience and adult decision skills. Something folks like you and speedfan apparently lack.
Am I the only who seemed notice the cyclist seemed to be all over the road unless his head was coming undone ?????????
And no I'm not judging it seems like the cyclist was all over the place.
If I'm wrong apologies
Enough road for everyone?
He has a handlebar camera and climbing a hill, hence the low speed and camera swivel.
@@BCanDrewr7
Fair enough
I was nt judging anyone
There is good and bad on both side of cars and cyclists
Enough room on the road for everyone
Andrew is correct. The camera is wide angle and attached to the stem of my handle bars, so the view swings but me and my wheels remained close to the pavement. But, as you say, the road was wide enough anyway for easy overtaking as shown by the other vehicles.