We Need to Talk More About The Dragonbone Chair by Tad Williams.
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Hi everyone! This live stream will be a discussion and conversation surrounding the first book in Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy: The Dragonbone Chair by Tad Williams. There will be SPOILERS for The Dragonbone Chair, but not for the remaining books in the series. If you have read the book, it will be great to have you along with the chat to discuss things you like and maybe even dislike about The Dragonbone Chair! :)
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I actually read the first trilogy when it was published and it has always been one of my absolute favourites. You are absolutely right, fantasy lovers should not miss Tad's work. I'm eagerly waiting for the last installment of the Osten Ard series as Simon, Miriamele, Binabik and all the others have "grown up" in the decades in between and so have I... So, it's a very special "reunion" for me. And you won't be disappointed as Tad still knows how to captivate his readers!
Yeahh! I think more fantasy readers should be jumping and talking about this series more frequently. I'm very excited to get to the second series in Osten Ard Saga, too! :)
It DID feel like a reunion, and I loved how they had aged, but stayed the same. Tad is a master at mixing a little rwf into his epic fantasy.
Great discussion. I’m still amazed how a series that influenced so many modern authors is still so underrated. With MS&T, I can see why Tad Williams is highly regarded for his prose and worldbuilding. I wish he would be more acknowledged as Martin, Sanderson and Rothfuss is. In any case, thank you for the buddy read and discussion!! Hope you will enjoy Stone of Farewell!!
Thank you so much, Luis! As you said, I am already this impressed from reading The Dragonbone Chair. It's crazy how relatively underrated he is compared to the other big names. I truly think he deserves to be as famous as them all. I'm glad you participated in the read along and discussion. Looking forward to chatting about Stone of Farewell with you!
Brian lee durfee raved about it all the time. So I added it to my list. I found this book incredibly deep and epic.
It's such a great and immersive book. Glad you loved it!
This was great! I read Memory Sorrow and Thorn at the end of last year and I still think about it. It's one of those where the more time passes I feel like it gets better and better. Gonna read the sequel series later this year.
Thank you so much for watching! I will try to catch up on reading all the books in Osten Ard Saga ASAP! :D
Just finished this book. Such great timing for this video. Team Tad all the way!
Glad to have you in Team Tad!! 😄😄
Some other parallels I noticed with ASOIAF: Needle/Naidel with the escaping Princess/Aria, Joshua and his missing hand is like Jamie but we miss out on seeing his early life where he's described as a real mean and rough guy (so GRRM turned it into a character arc), and the False Messenger prophecy and perfumed senseschal prophecy (Dance with Dragons). Oh, and most notably in the first chapter "ALL MEN MUST DIE."
Those are all great finds! And you're right, that "All Men Must Die" is awesome. I think it's amazing how GRRM incorporates this into his books while making sure his remain original. :)
Yes! More people to enjoy The Dragonbone Chair with! 🥳🥳🥳
I stumbled on this book by accident at a used book store a while back and I thought the cover looked really cool, so I purchased it and gave it a try. I am so glad that I did! The series quickly became one of my favorite classic fantasy series of all time! The prose alone was gorgeous! I hope you enjoy the series as much as I do!
Thank you very much! Glad to hear this is one your favorite series. I'm pretty excited to start reading Stone of Farewell soon. And yes, more readers need to read The Dragonbone Chair!! :D
@@PetrikLeo I'm excited to hear your thoughts on Stone of Farewell too! Happy reading!
My list of references and notes:
Prester John: Mythical Medieval Christian King in the “East” (Asia/Africa), many the Portuguese Expeditions to India and East Africa sought to find him and his kingdom as a potential trade partner and ally against the Ottoman Turks, leading to the Christian Portuguese-Ethiopian Alliance against the Muslim alliance of the Ottoman Empire and the Adal Sultanate in the Ethiopian-Adal War from 1529 to 1543
Erkynland: Anglo Saxon England
Hernystir: Celts
Rimmersmen: Vikings
Nabban: Italy/Medieval Italian City States
Beornoth: Ætheling mentioned in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle
Colmund: Ceolmund, 8th Century Bishop mentioned in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle
Eahlstan: 9th Century Bishop mentioned in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle
Eglaf: 11th Century Swedish Nobleman mentioned in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle (Elian, brother of Ulf Jarl)
Ethelferth: Royal herdsman mentioned in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle
Freawaru: Daughter of King Hrodgar in “Beowulf”
Haestan: Hastein/Hastingus/Hæsting, Viking (Danish) Chieftain mentioned in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle, raided France & the Mediterranean with Bjorn Ironside, defeated in England by King Alfred
Hephzibah: Hebrew “my delight (is) in her”, 1) Queen of Judah, wife of King Hezekiah 2) In Jewish Medieval Apocalyptic Literature the Warrior Wife of Nathan, son of King David and Bathsheba, slayer of multiple enemy kings and mother of the coming Messiah
Hruse: Old English “ground”, appears in Anglo Saxon Texts such as “Beowulf” & “The Wanderer”
Malachite: Copper carbonite hydroxide green mineral
Ordmaer: Ordmær, Anglo Saxon Earl and Father-in-Law of King Edager and Grandfather of King Edward the Martyr
Sangfugol: Norwegian “Songbird” (Bokmål: “Sangfugl”, Nynorsk: “Songfugl”, dialect: Songfoggel)
Towser: Sargent Towser in “Catch 22”, Major Major’s assistant and de facto head of the Squadron
Bagba: The Dagba of Irish Mythology (+ Togo Spirit mentioned in James Frazer’s “The Golden Bough”)
Cryunnos: Cernunnos, Celtic Horned God
Hern: (King) Herne the Hunter, the leader of the Wild Hunt in British Myths
Hernystir: Tir “Land” in Gaelic, so “Hern’s Land”
Murhagh One-Arm: Nauda Airgetlam/“Silver-hand”
Rhynn: Lost God in Michael Moorcock’s “Corum” stories: The Magical Eye of Rhynn is given to Corum to replace his lost eye
Bindesekk: Norwegian “Bounded rucksack”
Dror: Thor
Einskaldir: “Ein skald”, “a skald/bard” in Norwegian (NN)
Fingil: Fingal (Finn McCool) in James MacPherson’s “Ossian”
Frayja: Freya/Frigg
Hengfisk: Hengist
Ingen Jegger: Norwegian “ingen jeger” (“no hunter”)/ “ingen jeg er” (“I am Nobody”, akin to Odysseus’ alias when meeting the Cyclops)
Isbeorn: Norwegian “Isbjørn” (“Ice Bear”- Polar Bear)
Jarnauga: Norwegian (NN) “Iron Eye”
Löken: Loki/e plus Logi (“Fire”) whom he loses to when challenged at Utgard-Loke
Memur: Mimir, the Wisest Jotun
Nisse: Norwegian Folklore Creature
Udun: Odin + Idun, provider of the Apples of Immortality for the Norse Gods (+ Udun, fortress of Morgoth in the “Silmarillion” & valley of Mordor in “Lord of the Rings”, Sindarin “Dark Pit”/“Underworld”)
Adeon: Adonai, one of the Hebrew names of God
Nuanni: Neptune (with a Mesopotamian twist?)
Lector Ranessin: Pope Adrian IV (born Nicholas Breakspear), only English Pope to this date
Sulis: Celtic Water Diety worshiped at Bath, England
Usires Adeon: “Sired by Adonai”? (+Adeon appears as a name in the Welsh “Mabinogion”)
Sithi: Aos Si/Aes Sidhe, Irish name of a Mythical Supernatural Older Race of Elves/Fairies (“daoine sith” in Scottish Gaelic), “Sidhe” ancient “otherworldly” hills & barrows tied to Aos Si
Amerasu: Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess of Japanese Shinto Mythology
The First Men (looking at you GRRM! 😜😄) coming over a Western Land Bridge (George! 😆): Akin to (returning to Beleriand) Noldor Elves or historically the Native American Ancestors from Asia.
Second wave of Men as Blonde Haired Sea Raiders with Iron Swords (Andals, George! 😂), driving away the Elves: “The Broken Sword” by Poul Anderson.
Ach Samrath:
Chariots of Hernystir: British War Chariots
White Stag of Hernystir
Sexton: Septon, George? 🤣
Eahlstan: The Mythical Fisher King (The Fisher Queens, George eh?😉)
The King’s Hand, eh Georgie!😅
White Trees, George? 😄 (though to be fair, that is more of an homage to Tolkien)
The Bukken/“Diggers”: Inspiration for the Pucas from “Edan”?
King Lluth: “Lute”/“Flute”+Lugh/Lleu Llaw Gyffes, Celtic mythic Heroes of Irish and Welsh Myth respectively.
Raed “Council”: Norwegian “Råd”
Hünen “Giants”: The Huns
The League of the Scroll: Similar to the White Lotus in “Avatar: The Last Airbender”?
The Storm King, eh George? 😁
White as colour of mourning among the Sithi: Similar to many Asian Cultures
Sithi: Scottish Gaelic for “Fairy/Spirit” (and the Sith from the “John Carter of Mars”/“Barsoom” series by Edgar Rice Burroughs)
The Red Hand, five red hooded servants of the Storm King: The Red Hand of Ulster, the Nazgul & the Horned King (of the Chronicles of Prydain)? (& Red Riding Hood? 😄)
Yuvenis: Jupiter/Jove mixed with Justitia
Usires hanging on a tree for nine days: The Cruxifixction of Jesus mixed with Odin hanging from Yggdrasil, combined with the upside down crucification of St. Peter
Tiamak and the Crab «Brothers»!
Nine robbed pursuers, Tad? 😉 Hound-shaped helmet, George? 😁
Black Rimmersmen: The Black Numenorians (later the Corsairs of Umbar), with a similar torturer-mercenary role as performed by some of the Vikings serving Byzantium, the Varangian Guard
Three Elvish Tribes, eh Tad? 😄
Okay, settling into this with dinner! Can't wait to hear your more in depth thoughts.
I hope you enjoyed watching it! :)
ruclips.net/video/UGSnOIgnwio/видео.html. Library Ladder does a fantastic job of providing some context regarding why Tad didn't take off like other authors/series. Tad/Memory Sorrow and Thorn has been my all time favorite for over 20 years.
I watched that video! Such a well produced and well researched video. I will be reading To Green Angel Tower next month! 😊
Going to watch this, maybe the spoilers will inspire me to finish this.
Apparently not. Going to shelve this one and start The Will Of The Many.
No need to force it!
I hope you will enjoy The Will of the Many!
@@PetrikLeo maybe I'll go back to it one day.
I think this series isn’t as popular because the 3rd book drags. Just my opinion of course. Books 1 and 2 had good pace but book 3 is absurdly long for no reason which really brought down my opinion of the series from being excellent to just pretty good.
To Green Angel Tower is definitely massive! I hope I'll enjoy it thoroughly and don't feel like it's too long. I can certainly understand how that situation occurs, though. 520k words is a MASSIVE book! :D
It felt like a trilogy that could have been 6 books instead.
I loved all three books but thought Stone or Farewell dragged. The third book didn’t drag and is my favorite. It’s huge but I savored every word.
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