The thing that shot Battlebit in the foot IMO was that it is trying to please everyone instead of focusing on what makes Battlebit great and unique. Battlebit needs no other mode but 128v128 Dom/Conq, on official servers. That's it. The second you start introducing more than that, you're introducing choice overload and splitting the playerbase up. The devs do not have the manpower to maintain anything but the core aspect of Battlebit, which causes everyone to become unhappy when they are spread too thin.
I don't think them trying to please everyone is even remotely the issue. The problem is that the dev team is small and the power is wielded poorly by one guy who doesn't have the right answer 100% of the time. I knew the game was in for it when I found out it was a -PROMISE- OATH that they'd never add shotguns.
Agree. Once the community was split into different servers with rules for each. It ruined the game, you could never play capture the flag or invasion after that.
I agree that to an extent, the game needed to focus on what made it great. I think the choice of gamemodes wasn't the cause though, and it was more likely the launch of Custom Servers that put the game on its death spiral. The range of modes and sizing at an official level was fine, but yeah, the thinning of the playerbase across custom servers really killed it.
PS2's playerbase is simply too low for me to play anymore. And its a same, because there is literally NOTHING that's even remotely similiar to it out there.
That's also the issue companies too busy trying to be like fortnite and tarkov to even notice gems like this. This game and system has enormous potential it's just in the wrong hands sadly 😢
Not to mention the sheer amount of hate that gets spread around in /yell and everyone thinking "their faction" is superior and does no wrong. I recently came back to PS2 and theres so much more than the last time i played. People are ignorant enough to talk about cheats saying the 2 factions they dont play PAY cheaters and there faction has never had any cheaters. The amount of other bs that goes on screams lonely old man with no other place to speak their mind. So much hate and nobody gets muted or suspended despite there being someone "monitoring the game 24/7" :/ really kills my will to play even if i can mute them, more pop up. Joining a squad or platoon? Its not as bad but theres still so many who talk as if 1 faction is worse. Oh god not to mention people complaining about Zergs....Its a large scale warfare game...thats the whole reason of playing, to play with large groups of people. The sheer amount of stupidity is just sad.
@@remmy1853 idk about pc but on Console TR was ridiculous I also think they had a big community behind them compared to other faction that's why those guys ran through bases taking majority of the Continental it was crazy but it was still fun 😂
ikr, im not gonna lie ive been chasing he high planetside 2 game me for a while now with its large map and insane player counts but nothing is quite planetside 2
The "Player count doesn't matter" mentality is unironically the best way to enjoy PvP games. There are so many great FPS games out there that have just enough players to support a full server at peak hours, and I've had more fun playing those old or forgotten games than I've ever had in any popular shooter. You should all try not chasing trends for once and just play a fun ass game.
I get what you are saying, 100%. IF the game has the means to run at a baseline, then that's great too. But I would still argue that player count at that point is still incredibly important to ensuring the experience is able to be enjoyed, the "bar" to climb over is just lower in that instance. Without a larger player count, I think the biggest risk you run into is regions not having the players to support the game - leading to higher ping counts which obviously frustrates the experience a little too.
The game war of rights is the perfect example of this. Absolutely immersive and beautifully crafted American civil war combat. On a good night one of the servers will be full, 350 players, and that’s enough to run the gamut of what the game offers; quite moments in a corn field chatting with the lads, to entire companies of players moving across a field under fire like something out of a movie. A real “bullet screams from no where” chaotic experience….and it flys completely under the radar. Only need a few hundred(or even dozen depending on the game) like minded folks to have a good time.
The main reason why battlebit is failing is becuase its main competitor fixed its issues and got popular itself, 2042 has way more players than it did before. We all joined into battlebit becuase it was a protest against the state of battlefield
@@sharktooh76I mean the premise of battlefields always been big maps, lots of players, destruction, vehicles, most importantly freedom. And that really hasn’t changed lmao. Sure different time periods mean less or more vehicles but the core of battlefield hasn’t changed. It’s the shitty devs that cannot make the game function and shipped with basic features
2042 is a different game from release. Not better, but different. They changed so many mechanics maps and features. I had way more fun in early 2042 cuz of the 1 shot close range snipes, flying hover crafts, insane wingsuit and op riot shield. Everything was broken and fun until the nerfed everything and made it "realistic". BF has always been silly fun in a grounded setting. 2042 turned into a silly setting with more grounded gameplay.
Battlefield 2042 is still not working on Linux due to their anti cheat settings. Its literally a single box they have to check in ther control panel to allow Linux & Deck players, yet they have not done it. Every other battlefield i know of works fine on Linux.
Let's be real, the gaming community isn't the same as 15 years ago. Yesterday I replayed DKC. Game hasn't been updated in over 30 years, no cosmetics or bs to grind for, just an absolute staple of classic platforming games, nothing else, and I was asking for nothing more. Same thing goes when I go back to any game I've enjoyed in the past - I just enjoy the game. People now can't process a video game that doesn't have a ranked system, a battle pass, endless grind and weekly updates. Quite sad if you want my opinion, we used to enjoy simple fun !
The difference is some games are just published finished. Battle it has an issue where it partially is a ranked system, and all of the garbage you mention, it went too much into arcade too little into realism. Lots of cheaters and a meta emerged. Basically had they done some balancing, made actual roles better defined, and some more maps and fidelity. Really they didn't need to do much. Maybe add some more features. But really it's just unfinished.
yes and the (very) large majority of players are not ready to have a discussion about they intentionally been turned into addicts by FOMO, live service games, lootboxes, etc..
@boguslav9502 you're right to mention the meta. Meta is the top thing that annoys me with modern gaming ... people won't even try to figure out things by themselves in SINGLE PLAYER. It's now always about performance/competition. Having fun has become a bonus and is mostly experienced because of dopamine rushes; which again happen because you outperform your opponent/the game, not necessarily because the gameplay loop itself is well crafted. For instance, a friend of mine made me try Elden Ring. He insisted that I don't look at guides, and while I didn't have the courage to go on, I haven't had such a candid game experience since Skyrim; a game that I also never went far in, because enjoying the atmosphere and walking in cities was enough to satisfy me ... I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of people would not be able to understand that you can enjoy a game without even playing it the intended way. I used to play Hide and Seek with my siblings on racing games such as Lego Racer or MK Double Dash. Can't count the amount of hours I've spent on CoD4 with my clan, doing all kinds of shenanigans, running around people and not shooting, even sometimes spending HOURS just figuring ways to make the characters look really stupid by performing certain actions. Anyways: fuck meta. But that's just my opinion
BattleBit failed because of multiple BIG reasons. #1 Unclear / no communication, all news from devs went on in a Discord server, this is very unprofessional, not everyone uses discord. #2 Poor work on implementing anti-cheat, they had no clue what they were doing, and then the rumors of adding Saudi kernel-level anticheat started spreading, again the devs only communicated on discord so nobody knew anything. #3 With the new proposed anticheat, all Linux / deck players would be locked out from playing the game they bought, unless they started hosting their own dedicated servers Again, the devs were very unclear on this for wayyyy too long #4 The devs were very bad at balancing weapons and making sure each category had a purpose, SMG's were the number one choice for anyone for way too long. Besides, they refuse to add shotguns, simply because one of the devs aren't a fan of getting killed by them, but are fine with super OP smgs. All these issues coupled with a lack of communication and updates sparked a ton of fearmongering back when it launched. I refunded the game because the devs were very back and fourth on if or what the new anti-cheat meant, i only have Linux machines so not being able to play is an obvious dealbreaker. In the end, the devs had made a game with tons of potential but fumbled hard.
Outside of needing a consistent playerbase, there's a ton more that also goes into the longevity of a game that gets effected by outside sources, many of which surround the consumer. If an online game has no players or too little, the game gets less support, less notice, and less funding which results in less updates, less content, less bug fixes, less care and so forth which pushes the still concurrent playerbase out, eventually being shutdown due to a lack of demand to supply like we all know. However, that same playerbase is also extremely damning as it currently seems we all have ADHD and require a game to have consistent updates each month at most or each week at least for the course of its ENTIRE lifetime that it's online (which is impossible and doesnt need to happen, but a large majority of us seem to push for it). There's a lot of arguments surrounding it, such as FPS games arent designed for longevity similar to an MMORPG is, but rather designed to last a few years so after a year the game is already in decline so might as well leave it, which is why we end up getting games like CoD that ultimately give us the same mess each year with a singular new addition that only stays in that specifc CoD released, like aftermarkets in MW3. Its new content for a new game that definitely couldve been added to an already existing game so everyone scrambles to go to it bc its new, pulling the prior playerbase with it and making CoD billions. What's strange is it isnt just CoD this occurs with, but a multitude of NEWER games. Older games dont seem effected the same bc the playerbase that stays this long arent going anywhere and many devs made it where the players can create servers and moderate them, such as Battlefield games. Even if theyre outdated in many aspects and dont receive updates, the games still have a large enough playerbase or enough content to last a long time. Its efffectively become that many larger publishers have dev teams make games thatll only last a short period of time bc we as a consumer are strangely buying more and more games, but only playing em for a shorter period of time, so when a new one comes out we all flock to it for half a year (on average) then leave to the next. Publishers are noticing that and so to them they can effectively sell less for more bc we're gonna buy it regardless bc we're constantly chasing some dopamine high from experiencing something new. Yet, it's also causing obvious backlash for many AAA teams and as a result many players go to Indie developers instead as an Indie game gets more attention trying to supply demand of its players and meet quota and make our purchase worth it more often than not or going to a company that knows what theyre actually doing. It's also a money situation with higher ups wanting more and more so actual funding to a dev team to make good and extended content isnt happening as much nowadays even though its easier and quicker to make a game today than it was 10 years ago due to innovation, it still requires heavy funding. The key points to realize nowdays is that; Players demand more and more updates to a game in an impossible time frame and when it isnt met they leave and them leaving pulls others. It can be seen in MMORPGs more clearly with this weird "dead game" phenomenon (effectively someone saying dead game kills a game quicker). Publishers see that players are willing to pay more for less in order to experience something new so they have dev teams make less content for a lower shelf life so they can go to the next product to sell. Higher ups are pulling in more money than whats going back into the company so dev teams also dont have adequate funds even though theyre making more now than ever despite innovations in game creation. The playerbase is vastly more powerful than a company, but no one wants to push for a change or admit a lot of flaws we see and perpetrate.
I miss the early community of battlebit , hearing For rock and stone! Fortunate son from someone's mic, some good death mic talk and I do mean good without insulting one another. Legitimately asked a enemy player did he really try drop shooting me and a few seconds of silence went by and he said ye..... I remember being on a forest map near a trashy short waterway and got chased by 2 players so I ran to the waterway and hid in a bush they ran past me and I gunned them down. They congratulated me on the sneaky kills by laughing and calling me a sneaky bustard as I knew they would chase me. Now something like that isn't really possible. The community got toxic , custom servers banning certain weapons or tactics, coms being super toxic and competitive in a roblox shooter. Hacking out of control too. It had potential but to me the fun community leaving and the sweatiest taking over was a big let down.
I'm pretty sure this is linked with the acceleration in the production and consumption dynamics of the late stage capitalism. We've become empty and unable to value the work of other people, which they're also exploited over greed by capitalist. The problem are not the videogames, the problem is the market and a society based on accelerated consumption
for some reason after launch i felt like voip was dead no one was talking and having fun anymore aim training is only fun for so long and i never saw anything to get me back in
i had a long thing typed out for this but for some reason it got deleted just as i was about to press send but heres summary. hes not being a negative nancy, hes saying these large games PS2 is particular live and die by the player count. AU had our server shut down due to inactivity because trust me on this. 1 vanu infultrator running from point to point in a biolab vs 1 NC infultrator capping the points the vanu just capped on repeat is REALLY boring. so when the player count was low i wouldnt bother to jump on. i got transfered to connery which worked but i now had to deal with a noticeable lag. AU already has a low(ish) population for these types of games so we REALLY feel it when a game falls off as it only takes half the player count disappearing for the rest to completely jump ship and not look back. (seriously theres a bunch of games i cant play unless i want to have 300+ ping cause of this that id love to play) when your games content is "we have a crap tonne of players" when the player count drops it keeps dropping as other lose the content that made it all fun just in case the TL:DR is ping is a thing and bro is right
@@nixpardus3575 I'm not going just by what he's saying here, I'm going by the video he made a year ago, claiming PS2 to be dead, and then another one after making no videos for a year or playing PS2 more than a handful of times, bashing PS2 again as a game not worth playing when the fishing update was on the test server. It's very much a shitty probably on purpose coincidence that he declared PS2 dead as he was transitioning to Battlebit probably trying to get his followers to come with him. It's a POS move and I lost all respect for him. If it was anybody else yeah whatever, but Camikaze had the most content for a long time. When one of the main YT for a game pulls that shit, yeah he can f off. It's no respect to the people that still do play it or the game that made you. Go look at his other 2 videos and you'll understand why this 12 year vet who still plays every day against, get this, other people who are also still playing, hates his fucking guts. Even if what he says was true, there's something called tact. We're trying to hang on to the pop we got and not discourage new players. What do you think a new player looking into PS2 would think seeing the guy with the most content says the game is dead. Oh yeah he just happens at the time to all of a sudden switch to the only other large player count FPS with jig maps. It's not positive stuff to try and help like Cyrious. Battlebit is good too, but Camikaze, yeah fuck em. I play on Emerald, I know some of the other servers have no activity, it's just not true for everyone. TLDR: Camikaze is and has been being a dick in a way that worsens pop or at least is insulting to ppl hanging on playing the game thatafe him. Right or not, it's disrespecting those of us who still play. If he's not gonna play or help,just go the fuck away already. What public service does he offer by telling people not to play PS2 What does he have to gain? Ten years of content that when ppl land on will probably end up at vids of him saying not to play it, possibly watching and following what he's doing now.
Even now my pc is ancient and game is somewhat playable but if we had server population of that size i would be watching a slideshow. Many of us cant run the game properly even though its been 10+ years.
A worthwhile discussion you have put forward. I also think it has to be said that at the end of the day a lot of people enjoy being on the bandwagon.....you know....the latest shiny game. To be part of the heard, going where to crowds are. You could argue that you get as much fun from being part of a group/community as you do from the actual game play itself.
From a business perspective I can tell you exactly what the issue is (and it's something most people will hate to hear). Ok first off, what do big franchises such as battlefield and call of duty have... Something we all hate, yearly releases. See marketing is such a manipulative yet effective strategy to keep players coming back. With consistent sequals, comes marketing hype (if done correctly), in turn, player engagement from fomo and continuous growth. Now what about games such as counter strike? Well I would actually put that in a different genre. The main draw for games like counter strike is its high skill competitive aspect and arguably their skin market.
In the modern era (of internet) there is no need to sell a finished product. Consumers WILL BUY a Minimally Viable Product, en masse even. The only reason to release a fully polished and developed game is for reputation purposes.
yeah take all the battlefield games as an example, i could boot almost any one of them up and find like 3 us servers at least but all the aus servers will be empty if they even still exist at all. we over in aus have less of a player count in general and for the longest time console was king here, almost noone went for PC. this impacted at least PC playercounts even more in aus, take planet side for example, in its hayday then that would be full even in aus but then we had just the playercount to keep it full but generally not overflow it. that means you lose half the player count and the numbers went from thousands to only 100 and then youd jump off cause all the big fights are gone, more jump off cause no big fights and then in the whole map of PS2 you have 4 people, everyone outside only sees 4 people and they dont see everyone else looking in, you dont join cause numbers are low and the other 1000 people also dont join cause numbers are low. low numbers promote low numbers which causes low numbers. and then the game just doesnt get back up
Really liked your reasoning and the way you put it, I completely agree with what you said, the player count is, sort of, a part of the content of game, if there is no player, you can't play the game. I'd say that Fortnite and the weekly updates didn't help either, it got players used to something that isn't possible for most games. +1 sub
Call of duty lives because they pay influencers to play the game (warzone) and stream it on the major streaming platforms. It became the point of reference when you talk about FPS because they monopolized the FPS scene with a free to play (but pay to win) game and massive advertising campaign thru streamers
I think there's an element of that that's true (influencers and streamers being locked into said game definitely helps to keep more eyes on it), but it's not the sole point of failure I think. The baseline population and being able to consistently find an experience there goes a long way to helping the game remain relevant and keep players around too.
FPS Developers: Spend almost two decades conditioning players to move from one game to the next without a second thought FPS Players: Move from one game to the next without a second thought FPS Developers: "Wait, that's illegal!"
These dev’s failed to capitalize on the early success by expanding their ability to finish the game, add polish and content that would cement its status.. instead they pocketed the money and rested on their laurels
Planeside kept making stupid changes, that made players like me quit! They got so worried about attracting newer players by making the game easier and stupid. That They not only fail to attract new long time customers that actually will pay. but they chase away the long time customers by handicapping their favorite builds. All for its to hard for crappy new players who most likely quit playing anyway after a week, who NEVER subscribed. No reason to nerf AP rounds for tanks. you do a all HE build only to find a AP tank going after you, you should be a disadvantage!!! It's called strategy. that and demanding $100.00 for different skins is just ridiculous.
i wonder if any single game had such a variety of consistently bad updates for so many years in a row. Either adding meaningless content, removing good content, adding content that worsened the game directly, all alongside continual ignorance of problems introduced in prior years. Very few changes could even be considered good in so many years now. Although i say this as they merge the european servers and on the tail end of a hacker problem being largely dealt with, so who knows if the next few years will be at all a trend reversal.
Both games have had stale unbalanced metas that I really despise. Planetside 2 has several . Some examples are the valkry (squad spawn in vehicle too fast) beacon spam meta. The grenade bandoiler with revive grenades meta to abuse carapace and revive buff implants Meta . The Max suit Meta with berserker. The stale post CAI meta for vehicles and the current unbalanced sunderer. The infiltrator with Semi auto Sniper with recon abuse meta. The Baron meta. The NS Commissioner, underboss, and pilot Meta. There are probably more but those come to mind first. Battlebit has/had (not sure if true currently) a unbalanced weapons too that made me look elsewhere after 2 months. You either play the SMGs, use the mp5 , or get wrecked.
Good video mate! Muss ps2 but your totally right people drift to the population of a game more then the game it self where l see everyone still talks about 2019 mw being the best yet the player base has died down to only a select few of us auzzies still playing it game with ps2 we cant veen get a sever full so everyone left the game sadly
i mean thats what hes saying, at least for planetside the player base IS the content, you are correct now days that most will quit before hitting 10 hours but back in its hay day they certainly wouldnt.
how is ps2 average in terms of content though? Like the mechanics arent really unique but the combination of them certainly is, or else there wouldnt be such a lack of alternatives that the community would point to as a substitute. What you outline has more often been blamed on the experience of new players being really shitty rather than just straight up boring.
Wrel killed vehicles, and half of online gone thats just a fact, you can check when online massively dropped, and it happened after Wrel first updates, now after years all infantry can destroy any tank by a pistol, and tanks can't do anything since they've been nerfed soo much. PS2 was the game about vehicles, were you had vehicle that you can play and upgrade, also vehicles used to make a massive battle in huge areas (which is actually a unique thing compared to other games like Battlefield or Call of duty ), now they forced to play infantry in a center of each continent which is boring as f. Removing key design from the game is a stupid idea, I hope Wrel will never get any position in game dev he's simply not qualified for this, with lack of technical skills Also I'm peaty sure if they run a vanilla version of PS2 like Blizzard does, it would be a massive online peak
I guess it not easy. Players will burn out and move on or play causally on and off to enjoy. Just like Palworld they want players enjoy and no rush. Unless there stable like Delta force free to play. It all depend on the content I guess.
Neither of these games have "failed". It's natural for people to lose interest over time. Games as a Service is an incredibly small pond. Battlebit made a metric fuckton of money and had it's time in the sun. That's not a failure by any stretch of the imagination. Stop comparing these games to counterstrike. Nothing looks good compared to counterstrike.
It's not just games, it is all business that hire on anything other than experience and merit. Google is falling apart right now, nothing they make is working from a software perspective as their employees are not talented or even compentent. Companies have found themselves infested with unqualified workers, they cannot sustain this business model.
FPS players are all drama all the time. Every patch is a personal insult. Every bug or feature is why you died. The forest is always on fire and its more fun that way.
This. FPS games attract people with low attention spans. They simply aren't mature enough to have a perspective on their behavior so they jump from game to game blaming the developers rather than themselves. When you see 12 people clanning up in Battlebit and stacking teams, they missed the entire point of the game completely and are actively diminishing the playerbase. It's supposed to be casual fun, but the sweats ruin it for everyone and the playerbase suffers. If I'm at the top of the leaderboard with 100+ kills and 6-10 K/D, I know I need to turn it down a few notches so everyone can have fun. I'll then switch to a more supportive role for my team and help in other ways. If more people had this mindset, Battlebit would still be flourishing. The number one complaint I've heard from players is that the sweaty clan stacking has ruined their experience of the game and they've moved on. Battlebit would be 100x better with no clans, 4 player squads, and a quickplay button for 128v128 on official servers only. Everything else could be cut from the game and Battlebit would be better off for it.
@@Aliothale The unique thing for BB in my crew is that it is one of the few games that's supports 8 people squads. That keeps it in the rotation to this day because when 6 of us are all online the only option is BB. Given we are not god gamers so nobody is going to notice we are a large party.
The thing that shot Battlebit in the foot IMO was that it is trying to please everyone instead of focusing on what makes Battlebit great and unique. Battlebit needs no other mode but 128v128 Dom/Conq, on official servers. That's it. The second you start introducing more than that, you're introducing choice overload and splitting the playerbase up. The devs do not have the manpower to maintain anything but the core aspect of Battlebit, which causes everyone to become unhappy when they are spread too thin.
mods are also toxic
I don't think them trying to please everyone is even remotely the issue. The problem is that the dev team is small and the power is wielded poorly by one guy who doesn't have the right answer 100% of the time. I knew the game was in for it when I found out it was a -PROMISE- OATH that they'd never add shotguns.
Agree. Once the community was split into different servers with rules for each. It ruined the game, you could never play capture the flag or invasion after that.
I agree that to an extent, the game needed to focus on what made it great. I think the choice of gamemodes wasn't the cause though, and it was more likely the launch of Custom Servers that put the game on its death spiral. The range of modes and sizing at an official level was fine, but yeah, the thinning of the playerbase across custom servers really killed it.
PS2's playerbase is simply too low for me to play anymore. And its a same, because there is literally NOTHING that's even remotely similiar to it out there.
That's also the issue companies too busy trying to be like fortnite and tarkov to even notice gems like this.
This game and system has enormous potential it's just in the wrong hands sadly 😢
Not to mention the sheer amount of hate that gets spread around in /yell and everyone thinking "their faction" is superior and does no wrong. I recently came back to PS2 and theres so much more than the last time i played. People are ignorant enough to talk about cheats saying the 2 factions they dont play PAY cheaters and there faction has never had any cheaters. The amount of other bs that goes on screams lonely old man with no other place to speak their mind. So much hate and nobody gets muted or suspended despite there being someone "monitoring the game 24/7" :/ really kills my will to play even if i can mute them, more pop up. Joining a squad or platoon? Its not as bad but theres still so many who talk as if 1 faction is worse.
Oh god not to mention people complaining about Zergs....Its a large scale warfare game...thats the whole reason of playing, to play with large groups of people. The sheer amount of stupidity is just sad.
Yeah most people are on PS4 or 5.. PS2 is pretty old
@@remmy1853 idk about pc but on Console TR was ridiculous I also think they had a big community behind them compared to other faction that's why those guys ran through bases taking majority of the Continental it was crazy but it was still fun 😂
ikr, im not gonna lie ive been chasing he high planetside 2 game me for a while now with its large map and insane player counts but nothing is quite planetside 2
The "Player count doesn't matter" mentality is unironically the best way to enjoy PvP games. There are so many great FPS games out there that have just enough players to support a full server at peak hours, and I've had more fun playing those old or forgotten games than I've ever had in any popular shooter. You should all try not chasing trends for once and just play a fun ass game.
I get what you are saying, 100%. IF the game has the means to run at a baseline, then that's great too. But I would still argue that player count at that point is still incredibly important to ensuring the experience is able to be enjoyed, the "bar" to climb over is just lower in that instance.
Without a larger player count, I think the biggest risk you run into is regions not having the players to support the game - leading to higher ping counts which obviously frustrates the experience a little too.
The game war of rights is the perfect example of this. Absolutely immersive and beautifully crafted American civil war combat. On a good night one of the servers will be full, 350 players, and that’s enough to run the gamut of what the game offers; quite moments in a corn field chatting with the lads, to entire companies of players moving across a field under fire like something out of a movie. A real “bullet screams from no where” chaotic experience….and it flys completely under the radar. Only need a few hundred(or even dozen depending on the game) like minded folks to have a good time.
Battlebit needs content
Battle bit deserves its downfall. It’s lazy developers don’t deserve a player base at this point. They couldve done it but instead chose money.
@@I_Trade_Negative_RRdevelopers? Use singular please....
@@sharktooh76 okay, you’re favourite game is shyt. Is that better?
@@I_Trade_Negative_RR you're assuming too much.
@@sharktooh76 and you expect less.
The main reason why battlebit is failing is becuase its main competitor fixed its issues and got popular itself, 2042 has way more players than it did before. We all joined into battlebit becuase it was a protest against the state of battlefield
Battlefield Is NOT FIXED at its core.
@@sharktooh76I mean the premise of battlefields always been big maps, lots of players, destruction, vehicles, most importantly freedom. And that really hasn’t changed lmao. Sure different time periods mean less or more vehicles but the core of battlefield hasn’t changed. It’s the shitty devs that cannot make the game function and shipped with basic features
2042 is a different game from release. Not better, but different. They changed so many mechanics maps and features. I had way more fun in early 2042 cuz of the 1 shot close range snipes, flying hover crafts, insane wingsuit and op riot shield. Everything was broken and fun until the nerfed everything and made it "realistic". BF has always been silly fun in a grounded setting. 2042 turned into a silly setting with more grounded gameplay.
mods are also toxic af
Battlefield 2042 is still not working on Linux due to their anti cheat settings.
Its literally a single box they have to check in ther control panel to allow Linux & Deck players, yet they have not done it.
Every other battlefield i know of works fine on Linux.
They sold a lot of copies, they needed to use that money to greatly increase the size of the development team so they could create new content faster
They just put the money in their pockets
Agreed - I'm still scratching my head wondering as to why the dev team didn't expand MUCH faster.
Let's be real, the gaming community isn't the same as 15 years ago.
Yesterday I replayed DKC. Game hasn't been updated in over 30 years, no cosmetics or bs to grind for, just an absolute staple of classic platforming games, nothing else, and I was asking for nothing more. Same thing goes when I go back to any game I've enjoyed in the past - I just enjoy the game.
People now can't process a video game that doesn't have a ranked system, a battle pass, endless grind and weekly updates. Quite sad if you want my opinion, we used to enjoy simple fun !
The difference is some games are just published finished. Battle it has an issue where it partially is a ranked system, and all of the garbage you mention, it went too much into arcade too little into realism. Lots of cheaters and a meta emerged. Basically had they done some balancing, made actual roles better defined, and some more maps and fidelity.
Really they didn't need to do much. Maybe add some more features. But really it's just unfinished.
yes and the (very) large majority of players are not ready to have a discussion about they intentionally been turned into addicts by FOMO, live service games, lootboxes, etc..
@boguslav9502 you're right to mention the meta. Meta is the top thing that annoys me with modern gaming ... people won't even try to figure out things by themselves in SINGLE PLAYER.
It's now always about performance/competition. Having fun has become a bonus and is mostly experienced because of dopamine rushes; which again happen because you outperform your opponent/the game, not necessarily because the gameplay loop itself is well crafted.
For instance, a friend of mine made me try Elden Ring. He insisted that I don't look at guides, and while I didn't have the courage to go on, I haven't had such a candid game experience since Skyrim; a game that I also never went far in, because enjoying the atmosphere and walking in cities was enough to satisfy me ... I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of people would not be able to understand that you can enjoy a game without even playing it the intended way.
I used to play Hide and Seek with my siblings on racing games such as Lego Racer or MK Double Dash.
Can't count the amount of hours I've spent on CoD4 with my clan, doing all kinds of shenanigans, running around people and not shooting, even sometimes spending HOURS just figuring ways to make the characters look really stupid by performing certain actions.
Anyways: fuck meta. But that's just my opinion
Try Deep Rock Galactic. It'll change your life.
The children crave the battle pass
battlebit is over
Over saturation with the same thing with changes. But I feel sad Planetside 2 isn't more popular, that game is THE fps game.
BattleBit failed because of multiple BIG reasons.
#1 Unclear / no communication, all news from devs went on in a Discord server, this is very unprofessional, not everyone uses discord.
#2 Poor work on implementing anti-cheat, they had no clue what they were doing, and then the rumors of adding Saudi kernel-level anticheat started spreading, again the devs only communicated on discord so nobody knew anything.
#3 With the new proposed anticheat, all Linux / deck players would be locked out from playing the game they bought, unless they started hosting their own dedicated servers
Again, the devs were very unclear on this for wayyyy too long
#4 The devs were very bad at balancing weapons and making sure each category had a purpose, SMG's were the number one choice for anyone for way too long.
Besides, they refuse to add shotguns, simply because one of the devs aren't a fan of getting killed by them, but are fine with super OP smgs.
All these issues coupled with a lack of communication and updates sparked a ton of fearmongering back when it launched.
I refunded the game because the devs were very back and fourth on if or what the new anti-cheat meant, i only have Linux machines so not being able to play is an obvious dealbreaker.
In the end, the devs had made a game with tons of potential but fumbled hard.
Outside of needing a consistent playerbase, there's a ton more that also goes into the longevity of a game that gets effected by outside sources, many of which surround the consumer. If an online game has no players or too little, the game gets less support, less notice, and less funding which results in less updates, less content, less bug fixes, less care and so forth which pushes the still concurrent playerbase out, eventually being shutdown due to a lack of demand to supply like we all know. However, that same playerbase is also extremely damning as it currently seems we all have ADHD and require a game to have consistent updates each month at most or each week at least for the course of its ENTIRE lifetime that it's online (which is impossible and doesnt need to happen, but a large majority of us seem to push for it). There's a lot of arguments surrounding it, such as FPS games arent designed for longevity similar to an MMORPG is, but rather designed to last a few years so after a year the game is already in decline so might as well leave it, which is why we end up getting games like CoD that ultimately give us the same mess each year with a singular new addition that only stays in that specifc CoD released, like aftermarkets in MW3. Its new content for a new game that definitely couldve been added to an already existing game so everyone scrambles to go to it bc its new, pulling the prior playerbase with it and making CoD billions. What's strange is it isnt just CoD this occurs with, but a multitude of NEWER games. Older games dont seem effected the same bc the playerbase that stays this long arent going anywhere and many devs made it where the players can create servers and moderate them, such as Battlefield games. Even if theyre outdated in many aspects and dont receive updates, the games still have a large enough playerbase or enough content to last a long time. Its efffectively become that many larger publishers have dev teams make games thatll only last a short period of time bc we as a consumer are strangely buying more and more games, but only playing em for a shorter period of time, so when a new one comes out we all flock to it for half a year (on average) then leave to the next. Publishers are noticing that and so to them they can effectively sell less for more bc we're gonna buy it regardless bc we're constantly chasing some dopamine high from experiencing something new. Yet, it's also causing obvious backlash for many AAA teams and as a result many players go to Indie developers instead as an Indie game gets more attention trying to supply demand of its players and meet quota and make our purchase worth it more often than not or going to a company that knows what theyre actually doing. It's also a money situation with higher ups wanting more and more so actual funding to a dev team to make good and extended content isnt happening as much nowadays even though its easier and quicker to make a game today than it was 10 years ago due to innovation, it still requires heavy funding.
The key points to realize nowdays is that;
Players demand more and more updates to a game in an impossible time frame and when it isnt met they leave and them leaving pulls others. It can be seen in MMORPGs more clearly with this weird "dead game" phenomenon (effectively someone saying dead game kills a game quicker).
Publishers see that players are willing to pay more for less in order to experience something new so they have dev teams make less content for a lower shelf life so they can go to the next product to sell.
Higher ups are pulling in more money than whats going back into the company so dev teams also dont have adequate funds even though theyre making more now than ever despite innovations in game creation.
The playerbase is vastly more powerful than a company, but no one wants to push for a change or admit a lot of flaws we see and perpetrate.
I miss the early community of battlebit , hearing For rock and stone! Fortunate son from someone's mic, some good death mic talk and I do mean good without insulting one another. Legitimately asked a enemy player did he really try drop shooting me and a few seconds of silence went by and he said ye..... I remember being on a forest map near a trashy short waterway and got chased by 2 players so I ran to the waterway and hid in a bush they ran past me and I gunned them down. They congratulated me on the sneaky kills by laughing and calling me a sneaky bustard as I knew they would chase me. Now something like that isn't really possible. The community got toxic , custom servers banning certain weapons or tactics, coms being super toxic and competitive in a roblox shooter. Hacking out of control too. It had potential but to me the fun community leaving and the sweatiest taking over was a big let down.
I'm pretty sure this is linked with the acceleration in the production and consumption dynamics of the late stage capitalism. We've become empty and unable to value the work of other people, which they're also exploited over greed by capitalist. The problem are not the videogames, the problem is the market and a society based on accelerated consumption
True. Gaming is a reflection of society. We are not happy with a few good things. We prefer a bigger number low quality shitty throwaway things.
Thanks, Karl Marx
When BBR came out I was ready to make it the game I would “main” for a long time. Unfortunately this never happened and probably never will.
for some reason after launch i felt like voip was dead no one was talking and having fun anymore aim training is only fun for so long and i never saw anything to get me back in
man i miss planetside 2 and the 1000v1000v1000 player servers, that was so much fun. the pure chaos and level of destruction that could be achieved
i had a long thing typed out for this but for some reason it got deleted just as i was about to press send but heres summary.
hes not being a negative nancy, hes saying these large games PS2 is particular live and die by the player count. AU had our server shut down due to inactivity because trust me on this. 1 vanu infultrator running from point to point in a biolab vs 1 NC infultrator capping the points the vanu just capped on repeat is REALLY boring. so when the player count was low i wouldnt bother to jump on. i got transfered to connery which worked but i now had to deal with a noticeable lag.
AU already has a low(ish) population for these types of games so we REALLY feel it when a game falls off as it only takes half the player count disappearing for the rest to completely jump ship and not look back. (seriously theres a bunch of games i cant play unless i want to have 300+ ping cause of this that id love to play)
when your games content is "we have a crap tonne of players" when the player count drops it keeps dropping as other lose the content that made it all fun
just in case the
TL:DR is ping is a thing and bro is right
@@nixpardus3575 I'm not going just by what he's saying here, I'm going by the video he made a year ago, claiming PS2 to be dead, and then another one after making no videos for a year or playing PS2 more than a handful of times, bashing PS2 again as a game not worth playing when the fishing update was on the test server.
It's very much a shitty probably on purpose coincidence that he declared PS2 dead as he was transitioning to Battlebit probably trying to get his followers to come with him. It's a POS move and I lost all respect for him. If it was anybody else yeah whatever, but Camikaze had the most content for a long time. When one of the main YT for a game pulls that shit, yeah he can f off. It's no respect to the people that still do play it or the game that made you.
Go look at his other 2 videos and you'll understand why this 12 year vet who still plays every day against, get this, other people who are also still playing, hates his fucking guts. Even if what he says was true, there's something called tact. We're trying to hang on to the pop we got and not discourage new players. What do you think a new player looking into PS2 would think seeing the guy with the most content says the game is dead. Oh yeah he just happens at the time to all of a sudden switch to the only other large player count FPS with jig maps. It's not positive stuff to try and help like Cyrious. Battlebit is good too, but Camikaze, yeah fuck em. I play on Emerald, I know some of the other servers have no activity, it's just not true for everyone.
TLDR: Camikaze is and has been being a dick in a way that worsens pop or at least is insulting to ppl hanging on playing the game thatafe him. Right or not, it's disrespecting those of us who still play. If he's not gonna play or help,just go the fuck away already.
What public service does he offer by telling people not to play PS2 What does he have to gain? Ten years of content that when ppl land on will probably end up at vids of him saying not to play it, possibly watching and following what he's doing now.
Even now my pc is ancient and game is somewhat playable but if we had server population of that size i would be watching a slideshow. Many of us cant run the game properly even though its been 10+ years.
Yeah nothing can compare so now I'm jaded
Recently got an email from planetside 2 saying they have merged another 2 servers due to low player count ;---;
A worthwhile discussion you have put forward. I also think it has to be said that at the end of the day a lot of people enjoy being on the bandwagon.....you know....the latest shiny game. To be part of the heard, going where to crowds are. You could argue that you get as much fun from being part of a group/community as you do from the actual game play itself.
From a business perspective I can tell you exactly what the issue is (and it's something most people will hate to hear).
Ok first off, what do big franchises such as battlefield and call of duty have... Something we all hate, yearly releases. See marketing is such a manipulative yet effective strategy to keep players coming back. With consistent sequals, comes marketing hype (if done correctly), in turn, player engagement from fomo and continuous growth.
Now what about games such as counter strike? Well I would actually put that in a different genre. The main draw for games like counter strike is its high skill competitive aspect and arguably their skin market.
In the modern era (of internet) there is no need to sell a finished product. Consumers WILL BUY a Minimally Viable Product, en masse even.
The only reason to release a fully polished and developed game is for reputation purposes.
Camikazer, I hardly know her?
player base is never an issue for me in the USA except for extreme situations. AUS def gets hurt by that way more than most
Yeah I agree that I have a unique perspective in that regard. Being an ANZ-based FPS gamer is rough dude.
yeah take all the battlefield games as an example, i could boot almost any one of them up and find like 3 us servers at least but all the aus servers will be empty if they even still exist at all. we over in aus have less of a player count in general and for the longest time console was king here, almost noone went for PC. this impacted at least PC playercounts even more in aus, take planet side for example, in its hayday then that would be full even in aus but then we had just the playercount to keep it full but generally not overflow it. that means you lose half the player count and the numbers went from thousands to only 100 and then youd jump off cause all the big fights are gone, more jump off cause no big fights and then in the whole map of PS2 you have 4 people, everyone outside only sees 4 people and they dont see everyone else looking in, you dont join cause numbers are low and the other 1000 people also dont join cause numbers are low. low numbers promote low numbers which causes low numbers. and then the game just doesnt get back up
2 of the best shooters dying because lack of updates and talent
Really liked your reasoning and the way you put it,
I completely agree with what you said, the player count is, sort of, a part of the content of game, if there is no player, you can't play the game.
I'd say that Fortnite and the weekly updates didn't help either, it got players used to something that isn't possible for most games.
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Cheers legend, appreciate your comment as well. Welcome to the community!
Call of duty lives because they pay influencers to play the game (warzone) and stream it on the major streaming platforms. It became the point of reference when you talk about FPS because they monopolized the FPS scene with a free to play (but pay to win) game and massive advertising campaign thru streamers
I think there's an element of that that's true (influencers and streamers being locked into said game definitely helps to keep more eyes on it), but it's not the sole point of failure I think. The baseline population and being able to consistently find an experience there goes a long way to helping the game remain relevant and keep players around too.
maybe we can at some point always max out the player count by bots in the match that are through a more complex A.I able to fill out the gabs.
FPS Developers: Spend almost two decades conditioning players to move from one game to the next without a second thought
FPS Players: Move from one game to the next without a second thought
FPS Developers: "Wait, that's illegal!"
These dev’s failed to capitalize on the early success by expanding their ability to finish the game, add polish and content that would cement its status.. instead they pocketed the money and rested on their laurels
im just sad the milsim mode never came and probably is never coming.
Too many early access games that never get finished. Money is made and game is forgotten.
Planeside kept making stupid changes, that made players like me quit! They got so worried about attracting newer players by making the game easier and stupid.
That They not only fail to attract new long time customers that actually will pay. but they chase away the long time customers by handicapping their favorite builds.
All for its to hard for crappy new players who most likely quit playing anyway after a week, who NEVER subscribed. No reason to nerf AP rounds for tanks. you do a all HE build
only to find a AP tank going after you, you should be a disadvantage!!! It's called strategy.
that and demanding $100.00 for different skins is just ridiculous.
i wonder if any single game had such a variety of consistently bad updates for so many years in a row. Either adding meaningless content, removing good content, adding content that worsened the game directly, all alongside continual ignorance of problems introduced in prior years. Very few changes could even be considered good in so many years now. Although i say this as they merge the european servers and on the tail end of a hacker problem being largely dealt with, so who knows if the next few years will be at all a trend reversal.
Both games have had stale unbalanced metas that I really despise. Planetside 2 has several . Some examples are the valkry (squad spawn in vehicle too fast) beacon spam meta. The grenade bandoiler with revive grenades meta to abuse carapace and revive buff implants Meta . The Max suit Meta with berserker. The stale post CAI meta for vehicles and the current unbalanced sunderer. The infiltrator with Semi auto Sniper with recon abuse meta. The Baron meta. The NS Commissioner, underboss, and pilot Meta. There are probably more but those come to mind first.
Battlebit has/had (not sure if true currently) a unbalanced weapons too that made me look elsewhere after 2 months. You either play the SMGs, use the mp5 , or get wrecked.
Good video mate! Muss ps2 but your totally right people drift to the population of a game more then the game it self where l see everyone still talks about 2019 mw being the best yet the player base has died down to only a select few of us auzzies still playing it game with ps2 we cant veen get a sever full so everyone left the game sadly
the same issue is happening to any live service. such a large portion of new ones die real fst
it's just that Planetside 2 and BattleBit are very average in terms of content. The majority of players quit before playing 10 hours
i mean thats what hes saying, at least for planetside the player base IS the content, you are correct now days that most will quit before hitting 10 hours but back in its hay day they certainly wouldnt.
how is ps2 average in terms of content though? Like the mechanics arent really unique but the combination of them certainly is, or else there wouldnt be such a lack of alternatives that the community would point to as a substitute. What you outline has more often been blamed on the experience of new players being really shitty rather than just straight up boring.
Wrel killed vehicles, and half of online gone thats just a fact, you can check when online massively dropped, and it happened after Wrel first updates, now after years all infantry can destroy any tank by a pistol, and tanks can't do anything since they've been nerfed soo much. PS2 was the game about vehicles, were you had vehicle that you can play and upgrade, also vehicles used to make a massive battle in huge areas (which is actually a unique thing compared to other games like Battlefield or Call of duty ), now they forced to play infantry in a center of each continent which is boring as f.
Removing key design from the game is a stupid idea, I hope Wrel will never get any position in game dev he's simply not qualified for this, with lack of technical skills
Also I'm peaty sure if they run a vanilla version of PS2 like Blizzard does, it would be a massive online peak
How about instead of making live service games devs making complete package games similar to Space Marine 2 or Doom Eternal
More games releasing as full packages on day 1 would just be OUTSTANDING!
I guess it not easy. Players will burn out and move on or play causally on and off to enjoy. Just like Palworld they want players enjoy and no rush. Unless there stable like Delta force free to play. It all depend on the content I guess.
i stopped playing battlebit as the ttk was wayyy to fast for me i just felt the pace was insane and id just die die die die kill die die die :/
You play the same crap for 20 years you're bound to get bored. There's nothing new, nothing good, you get bored in minutes
Neither of these games have "failed". It's natural for people to lose interest over time. Games as a Service is an incredibly small pond. Battlebit made a metric fuckton of money and had it's time in the sun. That's not a failure by any stretch of the imagination. Stop comparing these games to counterstrike. Nothing looks good compared to counterstrike.
Wrel happened to Planetside.
DRAGO!!
It's not just games, it is all business that hire on anything other than experience and merit. Google is falling apart right now, nothing they make is working from a software perspective as their employees are not talented or even compentent. Companies have found themselves infested with unqualified workers, they cannot sustain this business model.
FPS players are all drama all the time.
Every patch is a personal insult.
Every bug or feature is why you died.
The forest is always on fire and its more fun that way.
This. FPS games attract people with low attention spans. They simply aren't mature enough to have a perspective on their behavior so they jump from game to game blaming the developers rather than themselves. When you see 12 people clanning up in Battlebit and stacking teams, they missed the entire point of the game completely and are actively diminishing the playerbase. It's supposed to be casual fun, but the sweats ruin it for everyone and the playerbase suffers. If I'm at the top of the leaderboard with 100+ kills and 6-10 K/D, I know I need to turn it down a few notches so everyone can have fun. I'll then switch to a more supportive role for my team and help in other ways. If more people had this mindset, Battlebit would still be flourishing. The number one complaint I've heard from players is that the sweaty clan stacking has ruined their experience of the game and they've moved on. Battlebit would be 100x better with no clans, 4 player squads, and a quickplay button for 128v128 on official servers only. Everything else could be cut from the game and Battlebit would be better off for it.
@@Aliothale The unique thing for BB in my crew is that it is one of the few games that's supports 8 people squads. That keeps it in the rotation to this day because when 6 of us are all online the only option is BB. Given we are not god gamers so nobody is going to notice we are a large party.
Game got boring without content and other changes
cries in gundam evolution
Man... The story of that game is such a devestating one. I feel for the community on that one big time.
bros just yapping
nah, better play COD MW III rather this game 😂 or PL 2 still better
CS is the only FPS i'll ever need
@@tpw13 well yeah.. cs 2 is better
Cash grab of a game tbh…