Definitely the best video I've seen on the downswing. The sterna clavicular joint moving first towards the target is key. The drill with the golf bag works perfectly. Thank you so much Michael for improving my golf swing.
Many Thanks for finally providing wisdom that I can apply and has an instant effect. Best 10 minutes (Actually 30, Repeated it a few times) I have ever spent on RUclips. Many many many thanks.
Undoubtedly (for me) the best right arm transition concept video I’ve run into … having the right arm movement sensation beginning at the right sternum arranges the right side movement in perfect sequence. Thank you.
Brilliant perspective on how to start the downswing during transition. Key movement is the sterna clavicular joint moving down and towards the target for proper sequencing and ball turf contact as this also moves the low point of the swing arc in front of the ball.
this was very good, i always enjoy a good anatomical discussion of the golf swing action. i experiment with different left or right side feelings to move the swing and i'm gonna try this one, thnx. i'm a long time 74 year old player and a 13 hdcp, always working on it.
I just came across the video on You Tube and I was intrigued by your Sequencing title! I liked the content of this video and I have been working with a swing that you are describing utilizing the sternum and right shoulder in the transition! I have found that rotation is the key to completing this sequence! I have an in to out swing, but on occasion, while my right shoulder is coming down and I don't complete my rotation, I may get a fat or thin shot. I like your content and have become a subscriber to you channel!
wow, so this is guite a good thought and move. i tried it out in my backyard practice area and it helped straighten out my pull draw, i was hitting more of a straight draw, i'm excited. thnx.
Good stuff, learnt something. Ty for the demonstration at the end with the club and bag, looks totally different to when you were using the right arm only with no club.
Thank you very much for this video. Been looking for someone to go thru the sequence of the downswing and you just did it expertly. Please consider doing a video explaining how to use our tools (our clubs).
Michael, I live in a distant country. Thank you for the instruction. At 6:50 you mention the release. You said it is not a throw. What should iI do with my hands then? Should I be stepping on my left foot as well? Or should I should I just keep moving my right sterna cavicular forward to the target?
The release would mean to let go which is the opposite of a throw. To release the club, the trail wrist will supinate while maintaining extension with the goal being never entering pronation in the trail wrist during any point of the swing including after the ball. I would not recommend stepping onto lead foot, as that typically will lead to the entire body shifting towards the lead side. Our goal is to create mobility with the Sternoclavicular joint which is why moving it first as a cue is so good because it forces you to create stability with the lead side (braking effect) to create the movement in the Sternoclavicular joint. Great question and all the best.
Dr. Greg Rose, at TPI, says that from the top the sequence should be lateral pressure, then rock, then turn hips, then shoulders, then vertical leverage through the impact. Are you saying that the down swing starts with your sternum and shoulders?
I am presenting with Dr. Greg Rose on Tuesday at the Open Forum during the PGA Show. I am not referencing the pressure shift and ground reaction forces in this particular video that you allude to in your comment. We have done specific videos on those topics in great depth. This video is talking specifically about the kinematic sequencing of the trail arm and the order it has to move in to deliver the golf club. I don’t believe anyone is going to disagree that the “arm” starts at the sternoclavicular joint and then we have the shoulder joint, elbow, and wrist, and moving them in that order must happen for an efficient transfer of energy and force between the body and club. Great question and very good point. Just trying to focus on one thing at a time to add a little clarity. All the best.
No, we load/unload the trail side and then the lead side, lowering the lead SC from the top is going to guarantee that you are steep with a shut face and also make it impossible to shallow the club in the downswing. All the best.
The backswing is does not work in the same order. The body moves the club therefore the pressure has to lead both the back swing and downswing. We have several videos we have posted addressing the backswing which you may enjoy as well. All the best.
Been playing golf and tennis for decades and realized only a couple of weeks ago that I was totally locked up in my upper arm shoulder assembly..the key is a good grip isolated at the wrists..no tension above and scapula totally free to move in its space but importantly it's on both shoulders for golf..not just the trail assembly. Doing it correctly the clubhead just swings freely in space! No manipulation or leveraging needed.
We are applying a downward force/pressure into the club as we make the downswing, however, by moving in the correct sequence, it does create an effortless feeling at the bottom of the swing. All the best.
If you are admittedly too inside out with your motion, I think it would best to fix the taking it too far inside in the backswing before compensating how the trail arm is designed to work. All the best.
Again, thanks for all the insight in previous comments. Here is a more general question: I've always found that 'distance' is a consequence of doing things right. It's hard to get the correct launch and distance with a low quality strike. But what if my distance is already 'correct', but I just don't realise it because I see other people hitting it farther? At what point (distance) should I feel: I'm basically using proper technique-the rest is just fitness and genes? Driver and 7-iron, let's say. Male between 35-55. I know it's individual, but there has to be a spectrum where one says: yup, those were quality shots.
The comment section is for comments about the video. Any questions that are personal should be sent to me via the Skillest app where I exchange answers for money which is my profession. Big difference between knowledge and tips. All the best.
I try to shallow the club since so many time without success. I'm not OTT but my shoulders open and my shaft is steep in transition then I stand up to late shallow. So what you are saying is that the opening of my shoulders or if you prefer the center of the sternum, should opens toward the target but I should learn how to shallow the club with the wrist? I'm lost in this move. Any help will be appreciated. Do you think I should find the way to shallow the shaft naturally or try to put the shaft in a shallow position in order to understand it? Excellent video as always, thanks!
Sounds more like early extension which would mean you want to watch our videos on loading the pressure into the trail side during the backswing. Applying more wrist is never the answer and often is what gets in the way of moving the body efficiently. All the best.
@@measuredgolf Yes, I early extend, maybe I'm wrong, but I think I early extend in order to late shallow the shaft which is too steep in transition. Makes sense? If so, you still think I should focus on trail side loading? If that's the case which video are you refering too? Is it one of those? "Managing the Grapes: Learning How to Load and Unload the Body" or "The Concept of Loading and Unloading the Body During the Golf Swing"? Thanks again! :)
@@measuredgolf Respect your opinion but got to disagree on this one. If I stand up my upper body, the club gets shallower or gets more from the inside but not the desired way.
👋🏻 @measuredgolf Your video popped into my stream, and it's the first one I've seen from you. I then watched the video lesson with "fast Eddie," and you were adamant about really keeping that external rotation and driving the trail elbow in front of the body for as long as possible (?). It's a concept I've visited before (as a devoted swing tinkerer), trail elbow in but I don't focus as much on it now. But listening to you, I feel I might reinforce it again. I would really be interested in your opinion of the wrists role during release. Do you feel there is a muscle-driven "throw" from the wrists, or are they simply loose and limp, supporting the club, until the physical swing-forces let the momentum of the lagging clubhead overtake? What is the configuration of the wrists that allows for maximum speed, while still maintaining directional control? Soft wrists make a lot of sense to me as a speed producer, since they allow the clubhead to move freely and independently, but the release must happen at the right time of course. Do you have a video on this already? If not, I would really love to see one! 👍🏻 All the best!
Addition: I found your 'wrists' video from around a year ago and it answered a few of my questions. I've had a tendency to (unintentionally) put my hands too far out towards the ball line and I try to work on getting my hands back down to the correct hand position closer to the body. However, when I focus on external rotation of the trail forearm and getting the elbow in front of the body, my forearm tends to end up in a horizontal position pointing out from my abdomen area, which puts the hands (as a consequence) a forearm's length away from my body which is too far out, right? Still, I see you demonstrate this position too, so I'm not sure if it's an actual position, or an exaggerated "feel". Shouldn't the trail forearm in fact move more vertical closer to the trail thigh, with the wrist closer to the trail kneecap? I'd really appreciate if you took the time to clarify! 🙏🏻 I'd also really like to know what 'mechanics' make the lead hand glove logo turn from pointing "away from my chest" (toward the ball, perpendicular to target line-a somewhat horizontal position) to a more vertical position with the logo pointing to the target-which I feel is the correct position before going into extension(?) I realize this is all a bit "much" for RUclips comments, buy maybe you like to engage, I'm not sure. Any input highly appreciated! Thanks!
The trail wrist starts in extension with the face square and must release or let go and still return with extension. The throw you mention simply shuts the face and then you must use the body to try and open the face instead of being able to use the body to create speed. As for the rest, you are welcome to hire me on Skillest and we can get to work on what you need. All the best.
@@measuredgolf Thanks for the quick reply! I totally see the problem balancing "free info" vs proper coaching and I wasn't sure what one can ask in the comments and what not. You do have several videos that go into quite some detail and there is much to digest there. Then as you say: I'm starting to realise that at the end of the day it is not access to information that is the problem, but rather that "feel isn't real" and sometimes we just need to have another person look at us and provide insight. It's cool that you can offer coaching online, and I have mulled over the idea before with other coaches with similar offers. But for me I think I would prefer to see someone local in person, as I simply think there has to be a direct line of communication face to face in that situation. Yes... Zoom calls and so on, but I still think in person would be better. Especially when the prices are similar. The trick then become finding someone that seems knowledgeable enough!! 😅
We think it is normal when referencing the body to identify the reference point by its name. Seems to make learning how things work much easier if you know which particular thing you are talking about. All the best and hope you enjoy.
I find generic opinions without reasons to be unhelpful. Maybe, you should wait for someone to ask your opinion before offering it in a place that most have found to be very useful. All the best.
@@measuredgolf I don’t need to be asked for my opinion to offer it. The reason I find it unhelpful to focus so much and repetitively on what not to do instead of what to do is that it is distracting. Kind of like having to hit over water and focusing on the ways you can hit it into the water instead of focusing on making a good shot and where you do want to land the ball. Instead of telling I shouldn’t offer my opinion you should reflect on it and see if it can be used to improve. I bet you have a lot of views that don’t watch the entire video. Maybe that is a reason why.
@@rantsfromthesofa4653 sorry amigo, but rants from the sofa in a public comment section on an overall positive free video that offers free advice seems like maybe you’re the issue. The thing is, I’m a professional and get paid to do this, when people follow you for being good at what you do, maybe you can offer them some advice. Until then, stick to making anonymous comments that you may or may not be qualified to offer. All the best and find a new comment section.
If you disagree, you should publish your research so the entire medical community can rewrite the anatomy of the human body. Sorry, but the sequencing of the joint segments of the body aren’t really one of those things still being debated by the people that have degrees in these things. All the best.
@@derekwhyle1884 , Thinking RUclips content is the same as coaching is the real shame. Find someone you like better to offer your advice. All the best.
Definitely the best video I've seen on the downswing. The sterna clavicular joint moving first towards the target is key. The drill with the golf bag works perfectly. Thank you so much Michael for improving my golf swing.
Glad it is helping, all the best.
Many Thanks for finally providing wisdom that I can apply and has an instant effect. Best 10 minutes (Actually 30, Repeated it a few times) I have ever spent on RUclips. Many many many thanks.
Thanks for the note and happy to hear you are having more success. All the best.
Undoubtedly (for me) the best right arm transition concept video I’ve run into … having the right arm movement sensation beginning at the right sternum arranges the right side movement in perfect sequence. Thank you.
Glad it helped, all the best!
Just discovered your videos. Very excited to see more of them.
Enjoy, all the best.
Brilliant perspective on how to start the downswing during transition. Key movement is the sterna clavicular joint moving down and towards the target for proper sequencing and ball turf contact as this also moves the low point of the swing arc in front of the ball.
That is correct, I would argue that the movement of low point has more to do with the pressure shift, but they are related. All the best.
New drinking game, take a shot every time he says sternoclavicular joint! Great info!!
As long as it is your tab. All the best.
this was very good, i always enjoy a good anatomical discussion of the golf swing action. i experiment with different left or right side feelings to move the swing and i'm gonna try this one, thnx. i'm a long time 74 year old player and a 13 hdcp, always working on it.
Easiest way to stay young is stay learning. All the best.
I just came across the video on You Tube and I was intrigued by your Sequencing title! I liked the content of this video and I have been working with a swing that you are describing utilizing the sternum and right shoulder in the transition! I have found that rotation is the key to completing this sequence! I have an in to out swing, but on occasion, while my right shoulder is coming down and I don't complete my rotation, I may get a fat or thin shot. I like your content and have become a subscriber to you channel!
Thanks and all the best.
wow, so this is guite a good thought and move. i tried it out in my backyard practice area and it helped straighten out my pull draw, i was hitting more of a straight draw, i'm excited. thnx.
Glad it helped, all the best.
Good stuff, learnt something. Ty for the demonstration at the end with the club and bag, looks totally different to when you were using the right arm only with no club.
Glad it was helpful! All the best.
Thank you very much for this video. Been looking for someone to go thru the sequence of the downswing and you just did it expertly.
Please consider doing a video explaining how to use our tools (our clubs).
We have some videos that talk about selecting clubs that have been uploaded in the past. All the best.
Have searched for years to find the best way to start the downswing. Finally I think I have found it. Thank you.
@@edmainman5353 glad it helped.
Michael, I live in a distant country. Thank you for the instruction. At 6:50 you mention the release. You said it is not a throw. What should iI do with my hands then? Should I be stepping on my left foot as well? Or should I should I just keep moving my right sterna cavicular forward to the target?
The release would mean to let go which is the opposite of a throw. To release the club, the trail wrist will supinate while maintaining extension with the goal being never entering pronation in the trail wrist during any point of the swing including after the ball. I would not recommend stepping onto lead foot, as that typically will lead to the entire body shifting towards the lead side. Our goal is to create mobility with the Sternoclavicular joint which is why moving it first as a cue is so good because it forces you to create stability with the lead side (braking effect) to create the movement in the Sternoclavicular joint. Great question and all the best.
Dr. Greg Rose, at TPI, says that from the top the sequence should be lateral pressure, then rock, then turn hips, then shoulders, then vertical leverage through the impact.
Are you saying that the down swing starts with your sternum and shoulders?
I am presenting with Dr. Greg Rose on Tuesday at the Open Forum during the PGA Show. I am not referencing the pressure shift and ground reaction forces in this particular video that you allude to in your comment. We have done specific videos on those topics in great depth. This video is talking specifically about the kinematic sequencing of the trail arm and the order it has to move in to deliver the golf club. I don’t believe anyone is going to disagree that the “arm” starts at the sternoclavicular joint and then we have the shoulder joint, elbow, and wrist, and moving them in that order must happen for an efficient transfer of energy and force between the body and club. Great question and very good point. Just trying to focus on one thing at a time to add a little clarity. All the best.
Michael, would moving the left sterna clavicular joint down to start the backswing be a good swing thought?
No, we load/unload the trail side and then the lead side, lowering the lead SC from the top is going to guarantee that you are steep with a shut face and also make it impossible to shallow the club in the downswing. All the best.
Great insight! I hadn't heard this before. Do you think the same idea applies to the take-away?
The backswing is does not work in the same order. The body moves the club therefore the pressure has to lead both the back swing and downswing. We have several videos we have posted addressing the backswing which you may enjoy as well. All the best.
Been playing golf and tennis for decades and realized only a couple of weeks ago that I was totally locked up in my upper arm shoulder assembly..the key is a good grip isolated at the wrists..no tension above and scapula totally free to move in its space but importantly it's on both shoulders for golf..not just the trail assembly. Doing it correctly the clubhead just swings freely in space! No manipulation or leveraging needed.
We are applying a downward force/pressure into the club as we make the downswing, however, by moving in the correct sequence, it does create an effortless feeling at the bottom of the swing. All the best.
What about if we are too shallow for the transition? I am swinging way too far inside out on the downswing. What adjustments are needed for the joint?
If you are admittedly too inside out with your motion, I think it would best to fix the taking it too far inside in the backswing before compensating how the trail arm is designed to work. All the best.
Ive been experimenting with using my left lat stretched to start the transition. For some reason it makes me feel like i can get in the slot.
Left Lat stretched in the backswing creates more depth for the hands away from the ball making finding the slot much easier. All the best.
"When you are in traffic, and you use your middle finger to tell someone they're number 1." Hilarious. 😂
Enjoy the little things, lol. All the best.
Again, thanks for all the insight in previous comments. Here is a more general question: I've always found that 'distance' is a consequence of doing things right. It's hard to get the correct launch and distance with a low quality strike. But what if my distance is already 'correct', but I just don't realise it because I see other people hitting it farther?
At what point (distance) should I feel: I'm basically using proper technique-the rest is just fitness and genes? Driver and 7-iron, let's say. Male between 35-55. I know it's individual, but there has to be a spectrum where one says: yup, those were quality shots.
The comment section is for comments about the video. Any questions that are personal should be sent to me via the Skillest app where I exchange answers for money which is my profession. Big difference between knowledge and tips. All the best.
Great anatomical explanation of correct down swing.Thanks
@@siddharth7817 all the best.
I try to shallow the club since so many time without success. I'm not OTT but my shoulders open and my shaft is steep in transition then I stand up to late shallow. So what you are saying is that the opening of my shoulders or if you prefer the center of the sternum, should opens toward the target but I should learn how to shallow the club with the wrist? I'm lost in this move. Any help will be appreciated. Do you think I should find the way to shallow the shaft naturally or try to put the shaft in a shallow position in order to understand it? Excellent video as always, thanks!
Sounds more like early extension which would mean you want to watch our videos on loading the pressure into the trail side during the backswing. Applying more wrist is never the answer and often is what gets in the way of moving the body efficiently. All the best.
@@measuredgolf Yes, I early extend, maybe I'm wrong, but I think I early extend in order to late shallow the shaft which is too steep in transition. Makes sense? If so, you still think I should focus on trail side loading? If that's the case which video are you refering too? Is it one of those? "Managing the Grapes: Learning How to Load and Unload the Body" or "The Concept of Loading and Unloading the Body During the Golf Swing"? Thanks again! :)
Early extending does not shallow the club. Whichever video works best for you. All the best.
@@measuredgolf Respect your opinion but got to disagree on this one. If I stand up my upper body, the club gets shallower or gets more from the inside but not the desired way.
@@lekster0015 think you should do some reading on biomechanics. Body rotating is a shallower body stoping and standing up is a steeper. All the best.
👋🏻 @measuredgolf Your video popped into my stream, and it's the first one I've seen from you. I then watched the video lesson with "fast Eddie," and you were adamant about really keeping that external rotation and driving the trail elbow in front of the body for as long as possible (?). It's a concept I've visited before (as a devoted swing tinkerer), trail elbow in but I don't focus as much on it now. But listening to you, I feel I might reinforce it again.
I would really be interested in your opinion of the wrists role during release. Do you feel there is a muscle-driven "throw" from the wrists, or are they simply loose and limp, supporting the club, until the physical swing-forces let the momentum of the lagging clubhead overtake? What is the configuration of the wrists that allows for maximum speed, while still maintaining directional control? Soft wrists make a lot of sense to me as a speed producer, since they allow the clubhead to move freely and independently, but the release must happen at the right time of course.
Do you have a video on this already? If not, I would really love to see one! 👍🏻
All the best!
Addition: I found your 'wrists' video from around a year ago and it answered a few of my questions. I've had a tendency to (unintentionally) put my hands too far out towards the ball line and I try to work on getting my hands back down to the correct hand position closer to the body. However, when I focus on external rotation of the trail forearm and getting the elbow in front of the body, my forearm tends to end up in a horizontal position pointing out from my abdomen area, which puts the hands (as a consequence) a forearm's length away from my body which is too far out, right? Still, I see you demonstrate this position too, so I'm not sure if it's an actual position, or an exaggerated "feel". Shouldn't the trail forearm in fact move more vertical closer to the trail thigh, with the wrist closer to the trail kneecap?
I'd really appreciate if you took the time to clarify! 🙏🏻 I'd also really like to know what 'mechanics' make the lead hand glove logo turn from pointing "away from my chest" (toward the ball, perpendicular to target line-a somewhat horizontal position) to a more vertical position with the logo pointing to the target-which I feel is the correct position before going into extension(?)
I realize this is all a bit "much" for RUclips comments, buy maybe you like to engage, I'm not sure. Any input highly appreciated! Thanks!
The trail wrist starts in extension with the face square and must release or let go and still return with extension. The throw you mention simply shuts the face and then you must use the body to try and open the face instead of being able to use the body to create speed. As for the rest, you are welcome to hire me on Skillest and we can get to work on what you need. All the best.
Like I said, sounds like you need a coach and you can find me on Skillest, all the best.
@@measuredgolf Thanks for the quick reply! I totally see the problem balancing "free info" vs proper coaching and I wasn't sure what one can ask in the comments and what not. You do have several videos that go into quite some detail and there is much to digest there. Then as you say: I'm starting to realise that at the end of the day it is not access to information that is the problem, but rather that "feel isn't real" and sometimes we just need to have another person look at us and provide insight. It's cool that you can offer coaching online, and I have mulled over the idea before with other coaches with similar offers. But for me I think I would prefer to see someone local in person, as I simply think there has to be a direct line of communication face to face in that situation. Yes... Zoom calls and so on, but I still think in person would be better. Especially when the prices are similar. The trick then become finding someone that seems knowledgeable enough!! 😅
@@diminishedreturn best of luck.
just putting attention to the sterna clavicular joint helps bring awareness to the parts of the body that need to move toward the ball.. good stuff.
Happy it helped! All the best.
Background Music is distracting
Don’t use any in your videos. All the best.
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Wow never heard the medical meanings… first time seeing your channel, is this normal?
We think it is normal when referencing the body to identify the reference point by its name. Seems to make learning how things work much easier if you know which particular thing you are talking about. All the best and hope you enjoy.
I find videos that focuses on what golfers do wrong more than what we should be doing very unhelpful. Thumbs down.
I find generic opinions without reasons to be unhelpful. Maybe, you should wait for someone to ask your opinion before offering it in a place that most have found to be very useful. All the best.
@@measuredgolf I don’t need to be asked for my opinion to offer it. The reason I find it unhelpful to focus so much and repetitively on what not to do instead of what to do is that it is distracting. Kind of like having to hit over water and focusing on the ways you can hit it into the water instead of focusing on making a good shot and where you do want to land the ball.
Instead of telling I shouldn’t offer my opinion you should reflect on it and see if it can be used to improve. I bet you have a lot of views that don’t watch the entire video. Maybe that is a reason why.
@@rantsfromthesofa4653 sorry amigo, but rants from the sofa in a public comment section on an overall positive free video that offers free advice seems like maybe you’re the issue. The thing is, I’m a professional and get paid to do this, when people follow you for being good at what you do, maybe you can offer them some advice. Until then, stick to making anonymous comments that you may or may not be qualified to offer. All the best and find a new comment section.
@ sorry I hurt your feelings. Don’t worry. I won’t be commenting on your videos because I won’t be watching them.
@ if it makes the comments stop, please do. Also, my feelings are fine which is why I don’t feel the need to share them with everyone like you.
please lose the music
Please put on mute and read the captions. All the best.
Disagree completely.
If you disagree, you should publish your research so the entire medical community can rewrite the anatomy of the human body. Sorry, but the sequencing of the joint segments of the body aren’t really one of those things still being debated by the people that have degrees in these things. All the best.
What does that even mean, "power to the ball"?
Yeah, I kinda know. But vague verbiage like that isn't helping. At all.
Your right, moving your Sternoclavicular joint isn’t specific enough. Have a great day.
@@measuredgolf a good teacher has to have tolerance and patience. Your answer betrays your lack of both. Disappointed
@@derekwhyle1884 , Thinking RUclips content is the same as coaching is the real shame. Find someone you like better to offer your advice. All the best.