Shameless self promo for my mouse design that now comes in white: Xtrfy MZ1 - White Rail on Amazon: amzn.to/3A9Zm8b And from Xtrfy directly: xtrfy.com/mice/mz1-white
been using the razer viper mini for more than 1.5 years now, really feels good in the hands and the 60g weight is sweet, recommend getting grip tape though if you're a sweaty person, coating gets worn off over time....and Razer, you're missing out on good $$$ for not making a Razer Viper Mini Wireless/Ultimate
I tried your Mouse Tester, and it recommended the Logitech G Pro X Superlight. Going to order it soon, thank you Zy! Going to change my Corsair Mouse soon!
I went from the Razer Basilisk to the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra, and loved it. Used the Razer Viper for a couple of months, but never got comfortable, and going back to the Roccat felt like home immediately. I will try the white MZ1 as I'm really curious about it.
@@forestknight925 10.5 should feel comfortable for you, $60, 8.0 switches, nice cord, 70g, great claw shape, nice coating, hard to not tell people its good.
Coolermaster MM720 was my best mouse I ever got. After that I got spoiled by Razer Orochi v2 and it's being wireless. Small light griping it with 1-3-1 good for FPS for me.
Yep, tried ergo, ec-2a, prime, and outset, cant get into ergo, feels less comfortable for me, exception with the mm720. Feel easier to control with ambi shape with sensei ten, vaxee ,Np-01 shape,viper
My hands are really large and I am a huge fan of this mouse. I will say the first week was hard, learning to use a new grip style, but now I rock the finger tip grip and have set many new scores on gridshot. My hand size is 20 x 15 cm
Thank you for creating the MZ1! I recall how much my aim improved when I moved to the 1st final mouse. My aim was much better. The next jump came with the much lighter air 58. I thought I had reached the height of aim perfection until I tried the MZ1. The granularity of minute tracking is far superior with the MZ1. I thought I couldn't get good at sniping, but I am now super comfortable picking up a sniper rifle. Glad you had the guts to put your own creation at the top of the list, where it rightfully deserves to be!
@@-keiskx1774 As much as folks hate finalmouse, they were super nice to me. My original finalmouse died after 4 years and when I reached out to them they agreed to send me their latest version for MSRP. Which happened to be the air 58 - love that mouse!
I recently upgraded from the Steelseries Rival 310 to the Rival 600, and my god does it feel good. I fell for the whole "light mice are better" thing and got a Razer Viper a while ago, only to realise I hate smaller, lighter mice, and much prefer larger, heavier mice.
Bought the Viper Ultimate based on your recommendation. I don't know if it's just placebo, but the sensor on it feels so much more precise than on my old G402 and I've been having a much better time playing Siege. Immediately after I ordered your mousepad and I can't wait for it to arrive :)
Yeah lots of sensor improvements since those days, so definitely possible. Hope you like the mouse pad! Lots of control on it, but give it a week and see if your aim improves, then let me know the result!
I love the vipers (especially the mini) and the superlight but the MZ1 is in a league of is own. If you like small mice and haven’t tried it yet, give it shot. Heres hoping a wireless MZ1 is on it way
Love the viper ultimate, not the lightest but was my first wireless mouse and now I don't think I could ever go back to a wired mouse. Charging dock is super nice to have as well
I slay out in many FPS such as Apex, D2, CSGO, Warzone and Battlefield 1 with my Razer Viper Ultimate. It truly is the undisputed king right now. I would definitely recommend!
I was a die hard mm720 user until it died on me, decided to try out an ambi mouse for the first time and now I'm rocking a Roccat Burst Pro and looooooving it. Clicks so clicky.
I've used Zy's rail for a couple days and it's already improved my aim on the first day, at least in Apex legends tho, still need a couple of days to get used to it in csgo since I use different grip in this game (main rifle so no scoping needed)
@@RocketJumpNinja oh the main rifle stuff is about CS:GO, unless you’re using “COD guns” (sg553 and AUG) or sniper rifle you don’t need to scope so I just put my middle finger to the right side to “fortify” my grip. In Apex legends tho every gun need ads, but if you fight in close range (10m) with Auto-Rifle/ all SMGs/ Bow/30-30 with shattered-cap and L-star (Spitfire too but it’s care package loot) you don’t need to ads since it will slow your movement speed
I have 4/6 mice on the list. One of them is the MZ1 and i absolutely love it. Even though i have big hands and wide palm i don't get cramps..but it's fingertip and fingertip only for me. Have had double clicks here and there, but still playing with the debounce. The other Xtrfy on the list is nice as well. Thanks for the excellent mouse! Now make it wireless 😉
Is it possible you can test the odessy g7 32inch and the G9 on the new Microsoft Flight Simulator??? Thank you!. Btw i love your content your going to get big like jayztwocents in no time.
Unlikely I'll get to that size with tech, but I might get bigger with some other stuff I'm working on. Thanks! As for the G7 and G9, I don't have that sim, what would you want tested exactly?
@@RocketJumpNinja Performance on both ( 4k and 2 k differences, Quality, and colors, rendering, hrtz, Fps and how well does Microsoft Flight Simulator on a normal panel vs ultra wide planel. Microsoft Flight Simulator is a sim that most high end tech like jayztwocents and many others use test gpu and pc companies and monitors.
I love the np-01 aim better with it then any other and honestly once a mouse is below 80g I really struggle to notice weight impacting my gameplay and I find shape to be far more important once that 80g weight threshold is passed.
I dont think hand size should matter at all in most cases when it comes to mice, if u use fingertip grip u can use any mouse out there no matter how small it is U dont buy a bigger pen if u got big hands or a smaller pen if u got small hands. Ppl should really try all kinds of mice and not think they are limited to buying mice for their hand size
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Hand size should very much influence your decision, and it's a major part. Take phone's for example, why do people buy the iPhone 12 mini when the iPhone 12 is the exact same thing but smaller
I tried a friend's viper mini during a tournament in asia, my aim was on-point but I get cramps after ~30mins or so, after an hour it was unbearable every time I reached for the thumb buttons. My main was the g305 at that time, and I instantly know I want lightweight. Now I main the GPX superlight, and she never let me down, tho I was already used to the shape of the GPW.
MZ1 could be an extremely bad choice for people who have a hand length above 20cm like me, it would extremely hard to hold the mouse and adjust the hand position, even if you can, there would be a huge pressure on your wrist band and ligament of the forearm. But it is definitely a top choice for people who have a hand length below 19cm as recommended. But keep in mind if your hand is above 20cm, be careful making your decisions.
Damn, that white mz1 looks great. I think this is the first video ive seen where you can see what it really looks like. Still loving my mz1! But recently been having this issue where it will randomly disconnect and reconnect mid game…
Hardware issue I'm pretty sure and they don't seem keen to publically address it. Had that on mine. Worsened over time. Eventually got a replacement and was very happy with the customer service. Yesterday replacement started having the same issue. Shame cause the shape was perfect for me
@@krypt3726 thanks for the reply. I will have to contact them if it gets worse. I do really love this mouse though, it would be a shame if the cable went bad. It's a great cable in terms of not feeling like its not there but never had an issue with this from the 4 previous kinds of mice ive used.
Not going to lie. I used the website and landed on the M42. For the first month I was mad at myself and felt like I wasted my money. Now 6 months I can't be happier. My aim definitely got better. But coming from a DA v1 man, I took a LONG time to get used to the small mouse life.
Yeah that's a big change, glad you stuck with it! I could easily become a generic reviewer where I don't take any risks and don't push people to improve, it's always a risk putting these kinds of opinions out, so it's really good to hear this kind of story. Thanks for sharing!
Best ultralight small wired mouse for fingertip/calw is definitely G-Wolves HT-S. Get the new wireless ones when they restock if you can cus they're much better than the pre-production prototypes or even the first few batches and they're only like 10ish grams heavier. Second and third best would be MM710 or viper mini. Similar shape, still lightweight, and cheaper
I bought your mouse a few months ago and for some reason i can aim more better on fps games. For some strange reasons if i go back to one of my mouses i still do good but my flicks ain't that great and i actually love the shape of the mouse as well
Viper 8K makes my hand ache after a day, but I’ll give it a try for 2 weeks. Really want to make that my main mouse, and I’ll not encountered any weird stuttering as other have so far.
I really wanted to pick up the mz1 or m42, but not being able to rebind the mouse 4 and 5 buttons was just a complete dealbreaker for me. There's just too many games that don't properly let you assign m4/5 to commands and programs like auto hot key are becoming less and less safe to use given the direction anti-cheat technology is going. I really hope xtrfy develops a software package or something in the near future! And in my dreams your next mouse design will feature additional pointer buttons like on the g502. I use those a lot more than m4/5, adjusting my thumb can impact the stability of my grip too much. The pointer finger buttons don't impact aim in the same way. But that's just the random wish list of some nobody on the internet. Thanks for all the effort you've done over the years regardless!
@@HollowRick what mice are you using now if 303 is too back heavy? Only mice I liked enough to replace mine was a za13 as the hump sits same as the 303 for my hand and the inward grips bit is close to it.
Same here.. I was maining the UL2 since release so ofcourse I instantly copped a Starlight 12 S on release. Something magical about the MZ1 with fingertip grip and aiming I've honestly never aimed better even with a mouse shape I've been maining for years, it's confusing 😂 EDIT: MZ1 wireless needs to come asap
@@RocketJumpNinja Still using your mouse, changing my grip from fingertip to just "resting" my hand on the mouse like picking something up. Haven't figured out yet what I prefer. What I do know is that i'm waiting for that mousepad ^^. Shipping taking forever huh? :/
@@diemiesmuschel2623 have you tried the za13? Was just wondering why you went with a 12? New za - c coming out soon and I’m not sure if I should get the 13 or 12.
@@eakmadashma I mean it depends on hand measurements. I got the ZA 12 while keeping in thought that at the time I wanted to fill my hand (18.5/10cm) whilst claw gripping. I will get the Za 13-C cause I like the shape but the mouse went a bit big for the way I grip it atm. I'd say if u have hands around mine and like curling your fingers a lot you should get the 13, but if you like big mice and/or have a relaxed claw or palm claw grip you might wanna get the 12, though imo the 13 can handle both.
Hopefully you get the chance to read this Rocket Jump Ninja, I started off my FPS journey in overwatch and managed to climb up to Grand Master rank using a Corsair Scimitar as I pretty much am a World of Warcraft addict since the game first came out. However, once the first version of the Logitech G Pro wireless came out I decided to make the swap to up my game to the next level through mouse weight, better sensor and it being wireless. However, I dont know if others have had this issue but I can never seen to feel comfortable using the G Pro wireless. The mouse always manages to rotate in my hands due to never being able to maintain a solid grip on it. My hands are 20.5cm by 10.5cm and till date I have yet to find a mouse more comfortable than the scimitar. Do you happen to have any recommendations for me? Bare in mind, I have consistently been using the G pro Wireless since it debut and cannot manage to adapt to it at all.
Got the MZ1 today... Good job man it reminds me of the days of the G9x without the shell .. perfect mouse for me .. strait out the box clicking heads like a madman .. Finally
Awesome, good to hear! Had a few people say it reminded them of the G9X from the photos, but no one got back to me about how it felt. Thanks for the feedback, glad you like it!
Why did you decide to add the RGB light on the mouse? It seems ironic. You always talk about it's better to aim with a lower weight mice so it doesn't make sense to add an extra 5g.
Because it's a huge risk for a company to invest in an unproven designer and for the sake of sales, some compromises needed to be made. If I prove myself as a designer, they'll go with my ideas more. The MZ1 is a shape designed by me, but otherwise it's a collaboration between me and Xtrfy. They wanted some things. I wanted other things. We met in the middle and produced the product you see. Let's hope it goes well so I get to make another one with no RGB or holes, but still super light weight.
Why did you upload this the day after i had to buy a new mouse😭? cause I split water on my glorious. I ended up going with the gpro x super light and im happy with it though
For FPS the Viper Mini is like the Prius of symmetrical mice. Affordable, durable, reliable, efficient, and light. I love it very much. Although since wanted to play minecraft, I have wanted a symmetrical mouse with lots of pre and post travel. Also low debounce delay. Any recommendations?
I really want the Finalmouse Starlight, but it's so expensive and it's always out of stock/being scalped on eBay. I never thought that a fucking mouse could have enough hype to be scalped for several times MSRP -_- I've been using the same deathadder since 2013
Hi Zy, I’m an ergo type guy, I’ve tried most of the mice on this list since they are mostly ambidextrous mice I have an issue where every time when I’m gaming/browsing the internet I always get accidental right clicks (maybe my fingers are too fat or heavy?) But when I’m using an ergonomic mice this never happens, I’ve noticed most of the mice on your top mice list are ambidextrous mice, can you recommend any ergo wireless mice for me to try? Thanks!
Thanks! And I don't know, might be a hate club with nothing better to do or maybe people are just still upset that I'm not doing full reviews these days.
So surprised to see Xtry M42 on this list, close to beating G Pro X Superlight. Been using the Superlight, I gotta say, I kinda agree with you not being the best. If only the design was similar to a Viper mini…
When you review NP-01 you didnt like it at first and the tier list was bad so but i heard from the comments and other people praise the mouse. I brought and tried it, all i could say this is the best mouse i ever use and beaten my Gpro wireless high score on aim labs. so i guess you started to love it too which im glad about it.
Actually my opinion on it hasn't changed. It was always a great mouse but it's too heavy and has a bad scroll. What's changed is I've realised a lot of people aren't ready for the absolute top mice on my list.
MM710 does the job for me the best. I got the MZ1, the Viper mini and the MM720 as well but just keep coming back to the 710 really. The MZ1 was pretty good but a bit too narrow for my taste, also clicks were quite light and have a bunch of accidental clicks, same with the 720 tho that's a tad too wide, and the Viper is pretty much in the middle, clicks are fine but it's still a tad too narrow. So yeah, overall keep coming back to the 710. Oh yeah, and I should also mention the 710 isn't perfect tho. Pretty creaky, and the scroll developed a really annoying squeak but it's still the best shape for my hand, and the clicks are stiff enough that I don't get accidental clicks. That's all that really matters to me, tho I should get around to oiling that damn scroll one of these days.
I’ve got a collection of about 11 mice and yeah I would always go back to the mm710 too for the longest time, eventually got an Xtrfy M42, its a very similar shape with the replacement shell. Probably wont ever use another mouse again. Lol
Also, the M42 is very solid. I know what you mean about the creakiness and squeakiness on the mm710, it definitely wasnt the best built mouse, but the M42 doesnt have those issues, the clicks and scroll wheel are buttery smooth. Just hoping they come out with a wireless version eventually.
@@SauceOE I was actually looking at the M42 before getting the MZ1 since I liked the interchangeable backplates. That said, didn't go through with it since I really need software for customizing my DPI as well as a DPI button to use on the fly. I just can't properly play muh shooting vidya with a single DPI level, need two levels and the ability to change between them on the fly. I mean yeah, the 720 has the same issue but that has software, and it's light enough to flip 90 degrees and press the DPI button with my thumb during a game. Anyway, I digress, case in point, got the MZ1 anyway since I couldn't ignore a mouse made by Zy, and it turns out one DPI really was hard to master unfortunately so will be sticking with the 710 for now.
I aim better with my viper ultimate but my hands feel too big for it, I can't comfortable grip it and swing it around without losing my grip on it. G pro wireless completely solves this but my aim feels less natural :')
if the gro suits you ,u need to give it some time to suit you ,give it a week or 2 you will not leave it . initially when I swapped from the g703 ,I hated the gpro just tried it for a week and I got used to it.
okay currently I'm on my 2nd Mouse which is Pulsefire Surge ,Planning on Getting Viper Ultimate next month so I moved from 175g Mouse to 100g Mouse (current) and now gonna jump down to Wireless 74g I wonder how it will affect my aim, Currently I'm a very dangerous competitor in terms of aim was grinding aimlabs and Grinding Valorant like 5-8 hours a day and the cable was my serious drawback , I did think of bungies but they are pretty rare here so i had to improvise but even still The cable somewhat restricted my aim due to very low Sensitivity , now I'm very hyped and interested in getting the Viper ultimate , Not only am I looking forward to getting rid of the Wire (which is the main reasons I switched mice xD they always end up getting ruined after many ears of flicking) and I'm very interested how less fatigued my hand will get and how it will help me improve my aim
currently using the viper mini, ended up not being used to the low liftoff fix and ended up putting it at max liftoff anyways lol. but for the shape and size - really good, got my first 300pp on it and it gets the job done well with mouse accel aim and raw aim for fps.
The only updates these days are that he's trying to fund it further due to a lot of complications and setbacks. I hope he gets through it, the world isn't in a good state at the moment.
NGL I miss your reviews, but I guess the decision to focus on designing mice makes sense, since there's less and less to say about most new mice other than "if you like the shape, go for it..."
we need the mz1 in a wireless version. I can't use any other mouse after using it, so I NEED a wireless version. Also, PLEASE make the texture on the mouse wheel much more grippy and aggressive. the current groove texture is very slippery, and your finger is likely to slip when scrolling. Also, the scroll click could be slightly less stiff to actuate. besides that, it's perfect.
I can’t decide between the Xm1r or the G pro x super light the g pro feels good and has better side buttons but it’s really slippery in my fingers and the Xm1r feels good but has bad side buttons with a nice grip
@rocketjumpninja I hate the Gpro shape it’s a bit too big but also too high. Also hated viper shape because I need to rest my palm and low back doesn’t allow it. Any hybrid shape mice that could fit my sweet sport between the two
My current favorite is the HyperX Pulsefire Haste, it has an awesome shape, is very light and good quality. I also have the Viper and this is miles better for me.
@@medwin17 both are great mice, and somehow similarly shaped, i'd say just pick the cheapest one and try it, see if you like it. Shape and handfeel is very important.
I can recommend Zy's Rail. I have prety large hands 20cm x 15cm and was traditionally using a palm grip. The final mouse products were my favorite for a long time, except they kept dying on me, so i gave up on them. Went back to deathadder and then saw the Zy rail. The first week was rough, getting used to such a small mouse and a new grip. But now I have set several new high scores on grid shot. The only draw back to this mouse, which some will find as a bonus, is the lack of software. I REALLY wish I could tune the mouse dpi by 50 ticks instead of the built in presets.
20x15? Did you measure the width with fingers apart? Here's another way to measure - just put 3 fingers together, index + middle + ring fingers, and measure across the middle joints. What's the measurement there?
@@RocketJumpNinja Yes, but I rounded its 14.7 x 20.98, I have pretty large hands, like circus big, my coworkers always harass me about it. And to add to this my palm is wider than my fingers together, so so many mice are impossible for me to palm grip, which is why i tried a fingtip grip on your mouse.
Ok so your working measurement should actually be 13.6cm. I use the hand width still because it's easier for people to understand and more mainstream, but really that 3 finger measurement seems more accurate. So going forward, I would say just tell people your hand is 21 x 13.6 cm. That said, you actually got used to the MZ1? That's amazing!
@@RocketJumpNinja the grip change was hard at first, and I have always had my pinkie drag on the mouse pad and use it as a measurement of distance when aiming, now I just do it with both my ring and pinkie, and use a finger tip grip for the mouse. I am glad I roughed out the first week as I had been capped at 90k gridshot and just broke 100k, which I am satisfied with as a guy who works 40 plus a week and have 2 kids to boot. It's really a great mouse man, the decreased length and rear shape Llow me to micro adjust from the "pocket" of my palm.
im never touching a Razer mouse again. mine double clicks and lets go of clicks early when im drag-dropping stuff. heard anyone talk about how the buttons are shit and thought it was worth the gamble. they were right. i'll be going back to logitech next.
The Best Mouse cheap i have played is the Logitech MX 310 and it's really funny how similar the mx310 is to the zy's rail unfortunately the zy's rail is much too small !!!!!
Might be weird for some but I really love the G502, it's my daily driver and use it for gaming. I got as high as plat 3 in valorant and can play 5-6 star on Osu using this. I don't have much desk space, so I need to use higher sense to compensate. I find that its heavy weight helps me a lot in stopping the mouse at the right time during flicks or when dragging it fast. I tried the viper mini but unfortunately I cannot bear its small size and shape that strains my ring finger and pinky after long gaming sessions. I'm too accustomed to the g502's shape that there's no turning back for me.
Shameless self promo for my mouse design that now comes in white:
Xtrfy MZ1 - White Rail on Amazon: amzn.to/3A9Zm8b
And from Xtrfy directly: xtrfy.com/mice/mz1-white
LOL thx for this vid tho I'm a SIMP Super Intense Minecraft Player
is there coming wireless version at some point? :)
can you tell me similar shape as rival 3?
Try the Xtrfy MZ1!
I really want to give the MZ1 a try do you think it's a good stepping stone from a model O?
been using the razer viper mini for more than 1.5 years now, really feels good in the hands and the 60g weight is sweet, recommend getting grip tape though if you're a sweaty person, coating gets worn off over time....and Razer, you're missing out on good $$$ for not making a Razer Viper Mini Wireless/Ultimate
Probably the best mouse I’ve used yet
Weight is super nice and size is perfect for me
Would upgrade if there was a wireless version
got it 2 months ago and dont regret it! I had good aim before it (used g903) and realised that my mouse holding me back!
im about to try the pwnage ultra symm 2, viper mini shape +10g-12g for wireless
The Viper Mini is Perfect for Fingertip Grip. Used the mouse for 1 year now and my aim has never been better. Sensor also is Great.
They announced on reddit that they are making the Razer Viper Mini Wireless/Ultimate.
Xtrfy just needs to make a wireless M42 and Id never buy another mouse again
I tried your Mouse Tester, and it recommended the Logitech G Pro X Superlight. Going to order it soon, thank you Zy! Going to change my Corsair Mouse soon!
Definitely one of the best, good choice!
Same I hope you and I enjoy it
What mouse tester are talking about please?
Don’t buy it it’s bottoms are scratchy and it feels so cheap
Been back on the viper mini while I'm waiting to fix my MZ1, really enjoy both mice and i aim pretty well with either!
Should I go for the viper mini or the mm711
I went from the Razer Basilisk to the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra, and loved it. Used the Razer Viper for a couple of months, but never got comfortable, and going back to the Roccat felt like home immediately. I will try the white MZ1 as I'm really curious about it.
The xm1 should've really been on this list imo
Oh yeah, if someone says they like claw grip and have decently wide hands, instant recommendation
@@seren7434 is 10.5cm considered pretty wide I just ordered the xm1r my hands ar 20x10.5 cm
@@forestknight925 10.5 should feel comfortable for you, $60, 8.0 switches, nice cord, 70g, great claw shape, nice coating, hard to not tell people its good.
best mouse. especially for big hands
how does it compare to the razer deathadder v2 if anyone has tried both? thanks
Coolermaster MM720 was my best mouse I ever got. After that I got spoiled by Razer Orochi v2 and it's being wireless. Small light griping it with 1-3-1 good for FPS for me.
I would pay out my behind for a wireless mm720. Come on CM
just got a mm710 and its pretty insane, lot better than that shitty ass viper mini
Yep, the MM710 was my favorite mouse until Zy's MZ1. They my two favorite mice.
Yep, it's a shame CM doesn't have a wireless version.
yeah MM720 is so underlooked, I had a viper mini and made my hand hurt, even an orochi v2 isn't as comfortable as the mm720
I use a paracorded sensei 10. Love that classic sensei shape
Yep, tried ergo, ec-2a, prime, and outset, cant get into ergo, feels less comfortable for me, exception with the mm720. Feel easier to control with ambi shape with sensei ten, vaxee ,Np-01 shape,viper
Got the mz1 a week ago and it’s incredible. This isn’t a biased list. The mz1 is shaped perfectly to improve your aim of your hands aren’t too big.
My hands are really large and I am a huge fan of this mouse. I will say the first week was hard, learning to use a new grip style, but now I rock the finger tip grip and have set many new scores on gridshot. My hand size is 20 x 15 cm
@@tesserthelost 15cm wide???? holy shit i thought i had wide hands at 11cm but goddamn 😂
Thank you for creating the MZ1! I recall how much my aim improved when I moved to the 1st final mouse. My aim was much better. The next jump came with the much lighter air 58. I thought I had reached the height of aim perfection until I tried the MZ1. The granularity of minute tracking is far superior with the MZ1. I thought I couldn't get good at sniping, but I am now super comfortable picking up a sniper rifle. Glad you had the guts to put your own creation at the top of the list, where it rightfully deserves to be!
You bought the air 58 😐
@@-keiskx1774 As much as folks hate finalmouse, they were super nice to me. My original finalmouse died after 4 years and when I reached out to them they agreed to send me their latest version for MSRP. Which happened to be the air 58 - love that mouse!
I recently upgraded from the Steelseries Rival 310 to the Rival 600, and my god does it feel good. I fell for the whole "light mice are better" thing and got a Razer Viper a while ago, only to realise I hate smaller, lighter mice, and much prefer larger, heavier mice.
I bought my XtrfyM42 after watching you're videos and using the tools on your website in June. I got the pink. It's very nice.
Intellimouse pro is the best i've ever used nothing compares to it swapped it for my finalmouse ultralight 2 and aim has improved so much.
What tf did I just read. Please give me your ul2 then, thanks.
Bought the Viper Ultimate based on your recommendation. I don't know if it's just placebo, but the sensor on it feels so much more precise than on my old G402 and I've been having a much better time playing Siege. Immediately after I ordered your mousepad and I can't wait for it to arrive :)
Yeah lots of sensor improvements since those days, so definitely possible. Hope you like the mouse pad! Lots of control on it, but give it a week and see if your aim improves, then let me know the result!
Honestly I currently switch between 3 mice, one of them being your design. You absolutely nailed it dude.
Thanks for the MZ1 Zy! Loving it. Can't wait to see what's next!
what do you mean what's next? He said it's his ultimate shape so why would you expect more? :)
@@PinKeeDJ There’s always more to come with mice and gaming equipment! My wallet hurts….
I love the vipers (especially the mini) and the superlight but the MZ1 is in a league of is own. If you like small mice and haven’t tried it yet, give it shot. Heres hoping a wireless MZ1 is on it way
I tried it and prefer the starlight 12 small shape for finger tip if the of the hump was lower on the mz1 it would have been perfect for me
How big is ur hand
So when is the Ninjutso Origin One X or the new Katana coming to the list? Both are Intellimouse-inspired superlight mice, and I really love my OOX ♥
Got my hands on a OOX last week. Great mouse. 🙂
Love the viper ultimate, not the lightest but was my first wireless mouse and now I don't think I could ever go back to a wired mouse. Charging dock is super nice to have as well
I slay out in many FPS such as Apex, D2, CSGO, Warzone and Battlefield 1 with my Razer Viper Ultimate. It truly is the undisputed king right now. I would definitely recommend!
1 v 1 me in csgo, ill clap those cheeks with my 30 dollar mouse!
Yeah the Vipers are great for sure.
I got mine today, and it's awesome.
@@RocketJumpNinja Razer mice do not last and their after sales support is SHIT!
Don't buy Razer
@@chesterthesniper The same way ur father clapped some other woman's cheeks?
I was a die hard mm720 user until it died on me, decided to try out an ambi mouse for the first time and now I'm rocking a Roccat Burst Pro and looooooving it. Clicks so clicky.
Been using the Zygen NP-01 since it released.
I love it.
I've used Zy's rail for a couple days and it's already improved my aim on the first day, at least in Apex legends tho, still need a couple of days to get used to it in csgo since I use different grip in this game (main rifle so no scoping needed)
What rifle do you use that doesn't need scope? I'm just learning the game now.
@@RocketJumpNinja oh the main rifle stuff is about CS:GO, unless you’re using “COD guns” (sg553 and AUG) or sniper rifle you don’t need to scope so I just put my middle finger to the right side to “fortify” my grip. In Apex legends tho every gun need ads, but if you fight in close range (10m) with Auto-Rifle/ all SMGs/ Bow/30-30 with shattered-cap and L-star (Spitfire too but it’s care package loot) you don’t need to ads since it will slow your movement speed
Is the coating on the white mz1 a glossy texture while the black mz1 is a matte texture or are they the exact same?
Seems like the same
I have 4/6 mice on the list. One of them is the MZ1 and i absolutely love it. Even though i have big hands and wide palm i don't get cramps..but it's fingertip and fingertip only for me. Have had double clicks here and there, but still playing with the debounce. The other Xtrfy on the list is nice as well. Thanks for the excellent mouse! Now make it wireless 😉
went from deathadder to viper mini best choice i made
I got a viper ultimate on sale around last Christmas. Still very happy with it.
Is it possible you can test the odessy g7 32inch and the G9 on the new Microsoft Flight Simulator??? Thank you!. Btw i love your content your going to get big like jayztwocents in no time.
Unlikely I'll get to that size with tech, but I might get bigger with some other stuff I'm working on. Thanks!
As for the G7 and G9, I don't have that sim, what would you want tested exactly?
@@RocketJumpNinja Performance on both ( 4k and 2 k differences, Quality, and colors, rendering, hrtz, Fps and how well does Microsoft Flight Simulator on a normal panel vs ultra wide planel. Microsoft Flight Simulator is a sim that most high end tech like jayztwocents and many others use test gpu and pc companies and monitors.
Sounds in depth, I don't know if I'll get time for a long while. I have a backlog of about 20 videos to get through!
I love the np-01 aim better with it then any other and honestly once a mouse is below 80g I really struggle to notice weight impacting my gameplay and I find shape to be far more important once that 80g weight threshold is passed.
3:59 sick frag!
I dont think hand size should matter at all in most cases when it comes to mice, if u use fingertip grip u can use any mouse out there no matter how small it is
U dont buy a bigger pen if u got big hands or a smaller pen if u got small hands. Ppl should really try all kinds of mice and not think they are limited to buying mice for their hand size
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Hand size should very much influence your decision, and it's a major part. Take phone's for example, why do people buy the iPhone 12 mini when the iPhone 12 is the exact same thing but smaller
I tried a friend's viper mini during a tournament in asia, my aim was on-point but I get cramps after ~30mins or so, after an hour it was unbearable every time I reached for the thumb buttons.
My main was the g305 at that time, and I instantly know I want lightweight. Now I main the GPX superlight, and she never let me down, tho I was already used to the shape of the GPW.
MZ1 could be an extremely bad choice for people who have a hand length above 20cm like me, it would extremely hard to hold the mouse and adjust the hand position, even if you can, there would be a huge pressure on your wrist band and ligament of the forearm. But it is definitely a top choice for people who have a hand length below 19cm as recommended. But keep in mind if your hand is above 20cm, be careful making your decisions.
Damn, that white mz1 looks great. I think this is the first video ive seen where you can see what it really looks like.
Still loving my mz1! But recently been having this issue where it will randomly disconnect and reconnect mid game…
Hardware issue I'm pretty sure and they don't seem keen to publically address it. Had that on mine. Worsened over time. Eventually got a replacement and was very happy with the customer service. Yesterday replacement started having the same issue. Shame cause the shape was perfect for me
@@krypt3726 thanks for the reply. I will have to contact them if it gets worse. I do really love this mouse though, it would be a shame if the cable went bad. It's a great cable in terms of not feeling like its not there but never had an issue with this from the 4 previous kinds of mice ive used.
Not going to lie. I used the website and landed on the M42. For the first month I was mad at myself and felt like I wasted my money. Now 6 months I can't be happier. My aim definitely got better. But coming from a DA v1 man, I took a LONG time to get used to the small mouse life.
Yeah that's a big change, glad you stuck with it!
I could easily become a generic reviewer where I don't take any risks and don't push people to improve, it's always a risk putting these kinds of opinions out, so it's really good to hear this kind of story. Thanks for sharing!
Missed the model d - tbh , that mouse closed the gap for a 95% god shape of the ec2 to a 100%
lol.
The Xtrfy MZ1 (both black and white) would have been my perfect mice if they had buttons on BOTH sides, not just on the left. :(
I liked the Rail so much that I bought a second one to use at work
do you not get disconnection issues?
@@JH-xe7jp been using both mice regularly for a few weeks now and have no issues with either.
The best mouse for me is the XM1, but a wireless, slightly smaller version would be even better. So XM1 S wireless when?
then maybe try the steelseries aerox 3, the ne ghost edition has bigger feet and better quality it seems
Best ultralight small wired mouse for fingertip/calw is definitely G-Wolves HT-S. Get the new wireless ones when they restock if you can cus they're much better than the pre-production prototypes or even the first few batches and they're only like 10ish grams heavier. Second and third best would be MM710 or viper mini. Similar shape, still lightweight, and cheaper
I bought your mouse a few months ago and for some reason i can aim more better on fps games. For some strange reasons if i go back to one of my mouses i still do good but my flicks ain't that great and i actually love the shape of the mouse as well
Viper 8K makes my hand ache after a day, but I’ll give it a try for 2 weeks. Really want to make that my main mouse, and I’ll not encountered any weird stuttering as other have so far.
The mz1 is really a special mouse but if this one was wireless (and maybe without rgb for less weight) I think it would be my endgame.
I really wanted to pick up the mz1 or m42, but not being able to rebind the mouse 4 and 5 buttons was just a complete dealbreaker for me. There's just too many games that don't properly let you assign m4/5 to commands and programs like auto hot key are becoming less and less safe to use given the direction anti-cheat technology is going. I really hope xtrfy develops a software package or something in the near future! And in my dreams your next mouse design will feature additional pointer buttons like on the g502. I use those a lot more than m4/5, adjusting my thumb can impact the stability of my grip too much. The pointer finger buttons don't impact aim in the same way.
But that's just the random wish list of some nobody on the internet. Thanks for all the effort you've done over the years regardless!
First the Viper Mini and than later I am going to test yours. Both seem to offer what I am looking for.
Went from a Viper Ultimate to a Pro X Superlight and my tracking has improved brutally.
My perfect shape is the logitech g303 I really hope logitech release that wireless version soon with lower weight
Should be next month hopefully according to leaks
@@eakmadashma I really hope so I put off buying another g303 for £24 as I know its too back heavy for me now days
@@HollowRick what mice are you using now if 303 is too back heavy? Only mice I liked enough to replace mine was a za13 as the hump sits same as the 303 for my hand and the inward grips bit is close to it.
@@eakmadashma I moved to a viper mini but id swap to a wireless g303 in a heart beat
@@eakmadashma nah... They made the dimensions bigger *Sigh*
even though I have a starlight 12 at my disposal I still prefer to use my MZ1, i just love the shape too much
Same here.. I was maining the UL2 since release so ofcourse I instantly copped a Starlight 12 S on release.
Something magical about the MZ1 with fingertip grip and aiming I've honestly never aimed better even with a mouse shape I've been maining for years, it's confusing 😂
EDIT: MZ1 wireless needs to come asap
@@Alex-lf5ff im waiting for the mz1 wireless
Amazing video, great recommendations
3 min gang! POG
Currently using a ZA 12 B, holding my aim pretty fine
Nice. What's your grip?
@@RocketJumpNinja Still using your mouse, changing my grip from fingertip to just "resting" my hand on the mouse like picking something up. Haven't figured out yet what I prefer. What I do know is that i'm waiting for that mousepad ^^. Shipping taking forever huh? :/
@@RocketJumpNinja I use claw. I also have a Viper Mini, but I quite dislike it due to its buttons and the LOD issues.
@@diemiesmuschel2623 have you tried the za13? Was just wondering why you went with a 12? New za - c coming out soon and I’m not sure if I should get the 13 or 12.
@@eakmadashma I mean it depends on hand measurements. I got the ZA 12 while keeping in thought that at the time I wanted to fill my hand (18.5/10cm) whilst claw gripping. I will get the Za 13-C cause I like the shape but the mouse went a bit big for the way I grip it atm. I'd say if u have hands around mine and like curling your fingers a lot you should get the 13, but if you like big mice and/or have a relaxed claw or palm claw grip you might wanna get the 12, though imo the 13 can handle both.
The Xtrfy in white looks super good. But i personally decided for me that my next mouse needs to be wireless. Still rocking the FK2 by the way.
I wish there was a matte version of the Zowie FK2. The gloss makes it sticky from hand sweat. I have to clean it way too often.
Hopefully you get the chance to read this Rocket Jump Ninja, I started off my FPS journey in overwatch and managed to climb up to Grand Master rank using a Corsair Scimitar as I pretty much am a World of Warcraft addict since the game first came out. However, once the first version of the Logitech G Pro wireless came out I decided to make the swap to up my game to the next level through mouse weight, better sensor and it being wireless. However, I dont know if others have had this issue but I can never seen to feel comfortable using the G Pro wireless. The mouse always manages to rotate in my hands due to never being able to maintain a solid grip on it. My hands are 20.5cm by 10.5cm and till date I have yet to find a mouse more comfortable than the scimitar. Do you happen to have any recommendations for me? Bare in mind, I have consistently been using the G pro Wireless since it debut and cannot manage to adapt to it at all.
Got the MZ1 today... Good job man it reminds me of the days of the G9x without the shell .. perfect mouse for me .. strait out the box clicking heads like a madman .. Finally
Awesome, good to hear! Had a few people say it reminded them of the G9X from the photos, but no one got back to me about how it felt. Thanks for the feedback, glad you like it!
@@RocketJumpNinja Ye you realy can tell you know your mice stuff.. cant wait for the V2's .. without the holes maybe?
Who knows!
Why did you decide to add the RGB light on the mouse? It seems ironic. You always talk about it's better to aim with a lower weight mice so it doesn't make sense to add an extra 5g.
Because it's a huge risk for a company to invest in an unproven designer and for the sake of sales, some compromises needed to be made. If I prove myself as a designer, they'll go with my ideas more. The MZ1 is a shape designed by me, but otherwise it's a collaboration between me and Xtrfy. They wanted some things. I wanted other things. We met in the middle and produced the product you see.
Let's hope it goes well so I get to make another one with no RGB or holes, but still super light weight.
Why did you upload this the day after i had to buy a new mouse😭? cause I split water on my glorious. I ended up going with the gpro x super light and im happy with it though
coolermaster mm710 still going strong, for fps
For FPS the Viper Mini is like the Prius of symmetrical mice. Affordable, durable, reliable, efficient, and light. I love it very much.
Although since wanted to play minecraft, I have wanted a symmetrical mouse with lots of pre and post travel. Also low debounce delay.
Any recommendations?
mz1 is #1 in my wishlist :) hoping to get one someday.
just bought the gpro superlight.. heard great things, hoping to see some good improvement in my game
I really want the Finalmouse Starlight, but it's so expensive and it's always out of stock/being scalped on eBay. I never thought that a fucking mouse could have enough hype to be scalped for several times MSRP -_-
I've been using the same deathadder since 2013
If xtrfy makes a wireless version of your mouse, I will 100% buy one on sight, but I am too spoiled now to go back to a wired mouse
I really needed this video. My aim in BR's are better using a controller with auto aim turned off. Whenever I touch the mouse I just panic.
I found my main recently, Pulsar Xlite Wireless, at this pricerange is a steal.
I ordered your mouse, the white one.
Hopefully it helps my aim.
Cheers!
Update, I got the mouse today, it's so comfy. I can even claw or palm-claw it which I really like!
I have Xtrfy M4 and I like it so far
Hi Zy, I’m an ergo type guy, I’ve tried most of the mice on this list since they are mostly ambidextrous mice I have an issue where every time when I’m gaming/browsing the internet I always get accidental right clicks (maybe my fingers are too fat or heavy?) But when I’m using an ergonomic mice this never happens, I’ve noticed most of the mice on your top mice list are ambidextrous mice, can you recommend any ergo wireless mice for me to try? Thanks!
I see the like/dislike ratios on your last few videos are low. Why? Your videos are great
Thanks! And I don't know, might be a hate club with nothing better to do or maybe people are just still upset that I'm not doing full reviews these days.
So surprised to see Xtry M42 on this list, close to beating G Pro X Superlight. Been using the Superlight, I gotta say, I kinda agree with you not being the best. If only the design was similar to a Viper mini…
When you review NP-01 you didnt like it at first and the tier list was bad so but i heard from the comments and other people praise the mouse. I brought and tried it, all i could say this is the best mouse i ever use and beaten my Gpro wireless high score on aim labs. so i guess you started to love it too which im glad about it.
Actually my opinion on it hasn't changed. It was always a great mouse but it's too heavy and has a bad scroll. What's changed is I've realised a lot of people aren't ready for the absolute top mice on my list.
yours is my fav. I love it.
MM710 does the job for me the best. I got the MZ1, the Viper mini and the MM720 as well but just keep coming back to the 710 really. The MZ1 was pretty good but a bit too narrow for my taste, also clicks were quite light and have a bunch of accidental clicks, same with the 720 tho that's a tad too wide, and the Viper is pretty much in the middle, clicks are fine but it's still a tad too narrow. So yeah, overall keep coming back to the 710.
Oh yeah, and I should also mention the 710 isn't perfect tho. Pretty creaky, and the scroll developed a really annoying squeak but it's still the best shape for my hand, and the clicks are stiff enough that I don't get accidental clicks. That's all that really matters to me, tho I should get around to oiling that damn scroll one of these days.
I’ve got a collection of about 11 mice and yeah I would always go back to the mm710 too for the longest time, eventually got an Xtrfy M42, its a very similar shape with the replacement shell. Probably wont ever use another mouse again. Lol
Also, the M42 is very solid. I know what you mean about the creakiness and squeakiness on the mm710, it definitely wasnt the best built mouse, but the M42 doesnt have those issues, the clicks and scroll wheel are buttery smooth. Just hoping they come out with a wireless version eventually.
@@SauceOE I was actually looking at the M42 before getting the MZ1 since I liked the interchangeable backplates. That said, didn't go through with it since I really need software for customizing my DPI as well as a DPI button to use on the fly. I just can't properly play muh shooting vidya with a single DPI level, need two levels and the ability to change between them on the fly. I mean yeah, the 720 has the same issue but that has software, and it's light enough to flip 90 degrees and press the DPI button with my thumb during a game. Anyway, I digress, case in point, got the MZ1 anyway since I couldn't ignore a mouse made by Zy, and it turns out one DPI really was hard to master unfortunately so will be sticking with the 710 for now.
@@Donchikiman Ohh nice, I hear ya.. mm710 is the best shape. If they make a v2 thats wireless/better build that would be insane.
I aim better with my viper ultimate but my hands feel too big for it, I can't comfortable grip it and swing it around without losing my grip on it. G pro wireless completely solves this but my aim feels less natural :')
Try using Delux m800 wireless, make sure its the 3335 version, $45, its basically a medium sized viper mini
@@godwinbico574 or pwnage ultra symm 2. Its more expensive but you get a better sensor, switches, and a bit wider in the hump at the back.
if the gro suits you ,u need to give it some time to suit you ,give it a week or 2 you will not leave it . initially when I swapped from the g703 ,I hated the gpro just tried it for a week and I got used to it.
@@iJansport still a good deal tho
consider getting some mouse grips, always helps to stay on top of the mouse.
okay currently I'm on my 2nd Mouse which is Pulsefire Surge ,Planning on Getting Viper Ultimate next month so I moved from 175g Mouse to 100g Mouse (current) and now gonna jump down to Wireless 74g I wonder how it will affect my aim, Currently I'm a very dangerous competitor in terms of aim was grinding aimlabs and Grinding Valorant like 5-8 hours a day and the cable was my serious drawback , I did think of bungies but they are pretty rare here so i had to improvise but even still The cable somewhat restricted my aim due to very low Sensitivity , now I'm very hyped and interested in getting the Viper ultimate , Not only am I looking forward to getting rid of the Wire (which is the main reasons I switched mice xD they always end up getting ruined after many ears of flicking) and I'm very interested how less fatigued my hand will get and how it will help me improve my aim
currently using the viper mini, ended up not being used to the low liftoff fix and ended up putting it at max liftoff anyways lol. but for the shape and size - really good, got my first 300pp on it and it gets the job done well with mouse accel aim and raw aim for fps.
The real question is when is ninox going to start releasing mice again. Would be cool to see an update on the Venator or Astrum on here.
The only updates these days are that he's trying to fund it further due to a lot of complications and setbacks. I hope he gets through it, the world isn't in a good state at the moment.
@@RocketJumpNinja True hopefully someday soon we get and update. The Venator was one of my favorites. Thank you for the reply tho i appreciate it.
NGL I miss your reviews, but I guess the decision to focus on designing mice makes sense, since there's less and less to say about most new mice other than "if you like the shape, go for it..."
we need the mz1 in a wireless version. I can't use any other mouse after using it, so I NEED a wireless version. Also, PLEASE make the texture on the mouse wheel much more grippy and aggressive. the current groove texture is very slippery, and your finger is likely to slip when scrolling. Also, the scroll click could be slightly less stiff to actuate. besides that, it's perfect.
are you going to be releasing a white mz1? Will definitely buy!
I can’t decide between the Xm1r or the G pro x super light the g pro feels good and has better side buttons but it’s really slippery in my fingers and the Xm1r feels good but has bad side buttons with a nice grip
What are your thoughts on the Pulsar Xlite Wireless v2? Is this a mouse you would recommend? It's almost exactly the EC2 shape.
the mm720 is the most comfortable for me, the viper mini made my hand hurt because of the upper curvature, and orochi v2 wasnt' so comfortable
@rocketjumpninja I hate the Gpro shape it’s a bit too big but also too high. Also hated viper shape because I need to rest my palm and low back doesn’t allow it. Any hybrid shape mice that could fit my sweet sport between the two
My current favorite is the HyperX Pulsefire Haste, it has an awesome shape, is very light and good quality. I also have the Viper and this is miles better for me.
What should I go for, the viper mini or the mm711
@@medwin17 both are great mice, and somehow similarly shaped, i'd say just pick the cheapest one and try it, see if you like it. Shape and handfeel is very important.
Xtrfy best mouses ❤️
I can recommend Zy's Rail. I have prety large hands 20cm x 15cm and was traditionally using a palm grip. The final mouse products were my favorite for a long time, except they kept dying on me, so i gave up on them. Went back to deathadder and then saw the Zy rail. The first week was rough, getting used to such a small mouse and a new grip. But now I have set several new high scores on grid shot. The only draw back to this mouse, which some will find as a bonus, is the lack of software. I REALLY wish I could tune the mouse dpi by 50 ticks instead of the built in presets.
20x15? Did you measure the width with fingers apart? Here's another way to measure - just put 3 fingers together, index + middle + ring fingers, and measure across the middle joints. What's the measurement there?
@@RocketJumpNinja Yes, but I rounded its 14.7 x 20.98, I have pretty large hands, like circus big, my coworkers always harass me about it. And to add to this my palm is wider than my fingers together, so so many mice are impossible for me to palm grip, which is why i tried a fingtip grip on your mouse.
@@RocketJumpNinja 3 fings across is 8.2 cm
Ok so your working measurement should actually be 13.6cm. I use the hand width still because it's easier for people to understand and more mainstream, but really that 3 finger measurement seems more accurate.
So going forward, I would say just tell people your hand is 21 x 13.6 cm.
That said, you actually got used to the MZ1? That's amazing!
@@RocketJumpNinja the grip change was hard at first, and I have always had my pinkie drag on the mouse pad and use it as a measurement of distance when aiming, now I just do it with both my ring and pinkie, and use a finger tip grip for the mouse. I am glad I roughed out the first week as I had been capped at 90k gridshot and just broke 100k, which I am satisfied with as a guy who works 40 plus a week and have 2 kids to boot. It's really a great mouse man, the decreased length and rear shape Llow me to micro adjust from the "pocket" of my palm.
im never touching a Razer mouse again. mine double clicks and lets go of clicks early when im drag-dropping stuff. heard anyone talk about how the buttons are shit and thought it was worth the gamble. they were right. i'll be going back to logitech next.
GPX is definitelly a very safe choice, it didn't improve my aim that much but i definitelly feel more confident with it
very much true, but i would say if u want the best optition u should try mice with different shapes and u could find the perfect shape.
I've been loving the EC3-C and MZ1 lately, spend almost as much time with both of them. I need wireless versions of both asap.
The Best Mouse cheap i have played is the Logitech MX 310 and it's really funny how similar the mx310 is to the zy's rail unfortunately the zy's rail is much too small !!!!!
Oh damn, I loved that thing. Pretty sure mine still works, it's from the days when Logitech could make a mouse that didn't double click in 6 months.
Vaxee wheels are goated idc
Might be weird for some but I really love the G502, it's my daily driver and use it for gaming. I got as high as plat 3 in valorant and can play 5-6 star on Osu using this. I don't have much desk space, so I need to use higher sense to compensate. I find that its heavy weight helps me a lot in stopping the mouse at the right time during flicks or when dragging it fast. I tried the viper mini but unfortunately I cannot bear its small size and shape that strains my ring finger and pinky after long gaming sessions. I'm too accustomed to the g502's shape that there's no turning back for me.
The mz1 make my aim alot better for me.
Love the shape comfortable and confident with shot!
PLEASE CONSIDER MAKING A WIRELESS ZY'S RAIL
I'm not keen to wired mice at this point but would be more inclined to purchase if I could buy a 2 gram mold to see how it fits my hand.
gpro/superlight is a bit chunky, waiting for MZ wireless with record breaking latency and no rgb :)
Is the Xtrfy M4 better than a G-wolves hati? I think hati seems cooler shapped
Viper mini and XM1r should be on the list IMO. Endgame Gear need to make an XM1r mini or wireless, or both.
Viper Mini is on the list. And XM1r is a little too similar to the other mice, wasn't worth putting on.
@@RocketJumpNinja 👍🏻
Been using my Mz1 since launch, hands down the best mouse I've ever owned. Pun intended!