My teenage daughter grew up with Ahsoka, Clone Wars and Rebels. She has all the merch, loved the character. Then she saw the dour, sulky - and yes, stoic - portrayal in Mando, said "No, that's not Ahsoka," and that was her out. Totally done with it. That's their _core audience_ right there. Who do they even have left to alienate?
Yeah I'm in the same boat but instead of me, my mother is an Ahsoka fan and unfortunately she still is. I remember telling her when ahsoka showed up in mando it wasn't her. My mother just goes with whatever is thrown at her and she told me that "no they she was preformed perfectly" and that i was just an uneducated hater. What bothered me the most about that episode was how mercilessly kills the ladies guards. Something I noticed as a child watching clone wars was she wouldn't kill. She did if she had too but she would rather force push them away.
I was out the second, they announced Dawson for portraying Ahsoka. She can´t move, she´s unable to mimik. All the protagonists, Ahsoka, Sabine, Hera, no longer have anything to do with the characters from the animated series. Thrawn will be trans, and Ezra will be gay, for sure.
The sad part is that Hera, Sabine and Ahsoka actually do have charming and engaging personalities in their Animated forms. It's all been drained out in the transfer.
I haven't watched this series. I don't think I will to be honest. But my take from the trailers? It has the Dad just passed away and everybody is gathering for the funeral vibe. There is no energy, no emotion. Everybody is just numb.
Star Wars has made lightsaber injuries just pointless when inflicted on the heroes. Remember when Qui Gon Jin got the exact same kind of injury as Sabine and it killed him almost immediately? Every hero in the new Star Wars since Disney took over survives being slashed or stabbed with a lightsaber. Sabine is just the latest in a series of this: Kylo Ren, slashed across the face and survives with barely a tiny scar that half the time you don't even notice, Finn has his entire spine absolutely WRECKED by Kylo's lightsaber slash and he's up and running around in the beginning of the very next movie, Kylo is stabbed through the chest and Rey heals him because he needs to become a good guy. At this point there's absolutely no tension in any lightsaber battle because even if the protagonist loses they aren't going to die, which means there's no stakes anymore. Edit (because I never expected the post to blow up like this): I should probably have been more clear and included big bad guys as well, but my point still stands. Back in the OT days, a lightsaber was rightly viewed as one of the most dangerous weapons in the galaxy. It was a weapon of pure, shaped plasma that could cut through pretty much anything (with a few notable exceptions) and was treated with the respect it deserved by both characters AND the people writing the stories. Now, as has been said many times over, a lightsaber is treated a little better than some kind of light-up wiffle ball bat that you just beat people with, and this goes for the video games as well (looking at you Jedi Survivor). The majesty and lethality of the lightsaber is gone and the entire concept has honestly gotten pretty boring. That's why the Mandalorian's first and most of the second season were so well-received, it stepped away from the Jedi as audiences had been utterly inundated with them and lightsabers and delved a bit more into the lore of Star Wars itself from a non-jedi character. Granted the show went off the rails and sidelined the very character people were tuning in to watch in the first place, but those first two seasons were a wasted opportunity precisely because the Jedi were in no way the focus and we only saw a lightsaber used a small handful of times.
Actually he got hit through the spine she got hit under her ribs lol also if you actually were a real fan and read the books he chose to become one with the force so yet again another fake fan
@@HaleTheFreeVoice The irony in your username cannot be understated. 'Power to free speech', but if it says something you don't like, degrade and denounce their opinions
I liked Mary Elizabeth Winstead in FInal Destination 3 but she's really unconvincing as Hera. Very very unlike the one we saw in Rebels. And Rebels was already a mediocre show.
Ahsoka is not the brooding character they're going with in this show, one who crosses her arms all the time and just stares off into the distance. She's vocal and uses lots of body language when speaking, and she's got that sass that she throws into the mix, along with a dose of contemplation when things are serious. She reminds me of Old Ben, as opposed to the former Jedi who was trained by Anakin and befriended Padmé.
@@BattleDamageProps I think so too but you can be older and mature without being boring....but I think it's how they've shaped all older Jedi characters somewhat.
Couple of things, firstly these characters emoted a hell of a lot more in the animated Rebels show, they were actually interesting in that!! Secondly, Ahsoka finds this incredibly important key to finding one of the greatest enemies of the New Republic so what does she do? Does she get it put under guard on a New Republic ship or base? No, of course not, she lets Sabine wander off alone with it to the middle of nowhere and have it stolen from her!!
To be fair, she found it and promptly learned a new republic cruiser had hijacked the prisoner who lead her to it. I would hesitate to leave it outside my immediate reach as well.
The "padding" is a real issue that isn't going away. Streaming services don't need quality content. They've already got your money. What they need is a lot of content. It's a good thing people will watch paint dry, so long as you tell them it's "Star Wars" paint.
But if it's minutes watched they're after one would think that a show that is not filled dead space would get more viewing time in the long run, no? I just can't make sense of what they're doing these days.
The weird thing is that it costs them money to store and stream it, so minutes watched is a _downside._ The only metric that _actually_ matters is whether it brings in or retains subscriptions. Their princess is always in another castle.
I get the self-destruct. Self-destruct to take out the target even if damaged or disabled is a nice feature to have. City-block leveling self-destruct is where it gets really ridiculous. Just drop a bomb then.
um, *pushes up glasses* Sabine was the only one who could unlock the map because she’s got the Artist’s Eye, ok you guys? it’s like, a great explanation, I have no questions whatsoever. also, how many fucking maps to “unfindable”people exist at this point? who’s making these maps to people who want to disappear? it happens every movie or show lol.
I was hoping that the map ball puzzle actually turned out to be some kind of Hellraiser style Lament Configuration and a bunch of hooks on chains come flying out, tearing her apart.
The weird ancient mcguffin that points to a person or thing, AT a specific time and place, MADE a long time ago and hidden somewhere. Is that the best they can do? On a police drama show you are not going to see that nonsense, they just investigate logical clues to the conclusion. I realize its more work but steal that idea maybe.
@@ph4se2my theory is they are terrified of contemporary world building details. If they made things logical it would involve confirming much about the way the world works and that limits their future writing options to fit continuity *but* ancient temples and nebulous maps are vague and mysterious so they escape the same level of scrutiny.
The stoic thing is especially noticeable and annoying because these characters weren't like that in Clone Wars/Rebels. Hera is the only one of those characters who is kinda girl-bossy. Ahsoka and Sabine are much more open and feminine characters in those animated shows.
Ahsoka talking about Vader. Ahsoka, the girl who went through hell and back with Anakin. Was not afraid to show emotion but always got back up no matter how hard she was thrown down, even if she felt betrayed by the entire Jedi order and the Republic. Now she hardly has emotional range. Even Episode 5 puppet Yoda has more expressive emotions than her. Disney is not even trying to get it right
I watched both episodes today. My take would be that these characters are now older and have become more jaded, especially because they are in higher political or military positions, thus more "stoic". I do like the mercenary "jedi or sith" or whatever they are, especially at the end of the second episode. I loved Rebels, and I could see this going to good places, but the intro gives me too many Game of Thrones vibes... We'll just have to wait and see what they do next.
I'll give it this: Stoic is better than constant screaming and unbridled emotion. They at least felt a bit more like adults. But then, as drinker said, they lacked all emotion and were very robotic.
And all it will take is one ☝️ Star Wars content to 90. Degree perception With a follow up to get to a 180 I’d say that’s the sadder part. “You can screw up a thousand times, doesn’t mean you won’t succeed the Thousandth and first”
What the drinker said exactly how i felt. In Obi Wan the women were screaming all the time trying to look menacing and here they ended up not having any personality with the silence lol
It's ok storyline wise and my only major gripe was Sabine surviving the lightsaber stab. Why has this bullshit suddenly become a Star Wars norm? And only with Strong Diverse Females surviving? Ray Stevenson was the best part. So much poise and confidence in his performance. What a crying shame that he left us so soon.
Yeah, I love how lightsabers will instantly burn through armored doors, and once plunged into the door will immediately start melting the metal around it, but when stabbed through a human body they only leave small wound the diameter of the blade. 🤔
There are parts of the body where being stabbed isn't immediately life threatening plus lightsaber would instantly cauterize the wound. I believe Shin wasn't trying to kill Sabine as she could sense Sabine wasn't really any threat to her. The Obi wan show was just all kinds of stupid. Reva should have died, but also shouldn't have even been a character to begin with.
@@JohnnyUtah86 Funny how in a previous scene the same stab instantly killed the commander of the republic ship Making excuses for Disney has become a full time job for some
Drinker has gone from "critical" to "cynical", a casual viewer with little to no insight. Every stream I hear the same bollocks, so they don't provide anything new to the conversation for 2 years now.
You sure it wasn't global warming that caused the heart attack? Pretty sure I read something in the news about that. I also find it amusing that droids are destroyed by a poke from a light saber now, but people are fine. You'd think it'd be the opposite, silly me.
They brought back some of what I remembered about Sabine Wren’s character with that police chase scene with her on a speeder bike, but it didn’t even make sense why she would just randomly dip on the ceremony. Why wouldn’t she just decline to attend, or decline, then show up in the crowd to watch? The rest of the premier of “Ahsoka” did fail to properly portray Sabine Wren’s character. Also, Sabine as a Padawan seems so contrived and inconsistent with what I remember of her personality. I absolutely agree that “Ahsoka” has stripped away the personalities of Ahsoka, Sabine, and Hera. The only “Rebels” character they’ve gotten right so far is Chopper. When his tiny arms popped out of his head to celebrate planting the tracker on the HK droid’s ship, I’m like “Yup, that’s Chopper. You nailed him.” Why is a rolling garbage can with freaky little arms more expressive than flesh-and-blood, humanoid characters? It drives me crazy how badly these characters have been fumbled.
Well, chopper was Filoni. It can be physically emotive like a silent movie while uttering a single vocal noise and have far more emotional range than any of the humanoid representations. The show is bad live action cosplay. Ahsoka and the others should have stayed in the cartoon version of the Star Wars universe.
At 10:17 - Regarding Mauler's concern about why the droid Huyang was the only one who could run a scan on their lightsabers to make an ID on them, it's because he actually *is* the only one who can do that. He was the Jedi Order's lightsaber construction teacher and taught every Padawan how to build and construct a lightsaber that would fit them as the future Jedi they would later become, so he'd be the one to have each Jedi's name and saber hilt stored in his internal memory, not the New Republic. At this point, he's the closest thing to the Jedi archives around. I suppose they could have gone to the Jedi Temple, but knowing Disney and the budget they give these shows, it probably would have been too much work.
I like how Disney's streaming service is called D+, like it's the grade all their employee's got in school. And they only got a D+ thanks to No Child Left Behind.
Each episode of the clone wars was only 22 minutes long and you got more story, action, depth of character than we got from 2 hours of these two episodes
The funniest thing about the 2nd episode is when Sabine hacks a robot helmet with battery charger and decrypt the message without a keyboard and a screen after it literally explode.
Three main gripes: Senseless. So many key mechanics for the story, from the stupid map-ball to the stonehenge knock-off. Nightsisters havin an outpost (the temple complex)? Nightsisters of Dathomir? Really? Smugness. Everybody was so damn smug. Gee it was unbearable. Special award to Sabine Wren for being smug without even approaching to accomplish anything. Travel. It is instanteous now. Vehicle doesn´t matter. Everything is instanteous. Many other things, from laserbolts which suddenly are flak-laserbolts and explode mid-air. The fight choreography (or the lack of it). Lightsabers just tickle. No accountability (another special award to Sabine Wren). Run-time padding. And many other. I somehow like the apprentice tho and Ray Stevenson of course. The combo of those two was kinda good too.
@@oXRaptorzXo Hyperspace jumps are not instanteous and take time depending on the hyperdrive used by the ship. That is a Disney problem as they not only completly forgo the passing of time, but also disregard it in the story telling. Every single jump to another planet is displayed as basically instanteous, with no time passed. Unless you want to suggest that Sabine took days to grab her armor, cut her hair and move to the inner city and then waited there for at least a day or two for Ashoka to show up.
@@2nd_Directorate Disney does have a problem with the hyperspace stuff as seen in Kenobi. It’s not present here in this show. Why would Sabine take days to grab her armor. Her home is minutes away from the main city. And hyperspace jumps don’t take a whole day or two. They can take a few hours, or yeah maybe a day if it’s a really far jump.
@@oXRaptorzXo Even core routes from systems close to eachother take several hours. After that we take about a day to several days. Weeks if you want to get from one end of the galaxy to the other. And that is the time a ship like the Millenium Falcon or SD´s take. That is old canon. The problem in Ahsoka is that these times might be there, but if they are not depicted they would have to be rationalized. Which shouldn´t be the job of the audience. Case in point. We see Sabine´s armouring up , directly followed by her call to Ahsoka that she is ready. Next scene is Ahsoka arriving, greeted by Sabine. Not one indication of any time past. So yes, it IS a problem in Ahsoka too. What makes it bad is that you take out all stakes or makes it absurd if you do not establish travel time , should some event arrive which needs a character to reach a destination under time pressure.
@@2nd_Directorate the show doesn’t have to show the time passing. That would just pad out the runtime with unnecessary scenes of them in hyperspace. Also, your times just aren’t right. It’s never takes several hours to get to a nearby system, and it’s never taken weeks to cross the galaxy. If that were the case then travel would be remarkably inefficient
Anyone who knows who Thrawn is is familiar with his tactical genius and ingenuity. He climbed the ranks of the Empire extremely quickly, executing his plans to borderline perfection, estimating his opponents perfectly and predicting their every move, using logic and every resource at his disposal to reach his goals. So with this in mind, please tell me: How can Filoni possibly write a smart character? And if he's incapable of writing people of average intelligence, how on earth can we expect him to write a tactical genius? Thrawn's character is almost certainly going to be assassinated in this show, and as a Thrawn fan, I mourn the inevitable.
Its not that hard you just make the villain aware of the script and wrote him always a step ahead from everybody else, its like plot armor for cool villains, just like joker always has something on his sleeve
@@ryckarduhryckarduh180That's a great point. However, allow me to ask you a simple question: From what we have seen thus far in Ahsoka, Mando, and Book of Boba Fett, do you really think Filoni is capable of writing something simple like that, and writing it well? My point is that because he's...not the sharpest writer in the drawer, he'll completely botch Thrawn's character. There are plenty of ways to mess a character like that up. For instance, the writers could write Thrawn acting off information that he himself doesn't have yet, because they can't keep track of what each character knows and doesn't know. They could write him to make a prediction that is contingent on so many moving parts outside of his control and that rely on billion-to-one odds, but somehow the plan works perfectly because of luck. And FINALLY, when he is defeated (I assume they'll have to defeat him at some point, because otherwise the First Order would never have failed), he could loose in a really dumb way because he needs to loose and the writers (Dave) couldn't figure out an intelligent way for him to be defeated. THAT is what I'm concerned about. The characters are only as intelligent as the people who write them. You cannot have someone like Dave Filoni write someone who's entire identity is based on his intelligence.
@@sanholo2483 He was off-planet at the time, he only just got there when they had taken control of the dome. If his dorito hadn't been flying above the city, the space whales would have been useless. The rebels needed to have control of the dome for their plan to work. To go further back, the rebels were able to capture Governor Pryce by tricking her into thinking that Ryder Azadi was betraying them. Thrawn, as child soldier said, would never have fallen for that. Thrawn's defeat in rebels was out of his control, he was called off-planet by Emperor Space Rasin. He didn't know about the space whales, so he couldn't have planned for them. That's not to say that the rebels' plan shouldn't have failed in multiple ways, but Thrawn's defeat wasn't his fault by any means. Same thing with the attack on Planet Bendu: One officer was like, "nah, I'm tired of this shit", and decided to leave his position and attack even though Thrawn told him not to.
@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs oh I quit after mandalorian season 2, they're not fooling me again, and I never cared for starwars animated series I was just saying in general but if what you say about filoni being a dummy is true than yeah Im guessing he cant write characters smarter than him
Yup, there were only 64 possible combinatioms (4 x 4 x 4) but they had to fly to another planet to get a 30 year old acting like a teenager to solve it.
Am I the only one that doesn't think the actor for Asoka fits her character? I wish they got someone a little less abrasive to play her. Not that I'd watch anyway 😅
I've had a crush on Rosario Dawson since I was 12 years old. I've been an Ahsoka fanboy since Clone Wars. The fact that I couldn't finish 2 episodes of this show illustrates the profound depth of Disney's failure.
In addition to scenes dragging out, it seemed like a lot of camera shots lingered for a few or several beats longer than necessary, making it feel like even more of a slog to watch. I kept checking the time remaining, which is always a bad sign.
I am not going to lie, as a child I watched the first three movies until the VHS tapes burned out. I dressed up for Halloween in Star Wars gear, mowed yards and cleaned pools for money to buy Star Wars Lego sets. As a young man I spent thousands of dollars on accurate Mandalorian armor, replica weapons, figures and toys. Hell, I even liked the prequels and defended them, but the rolling dumpster fire that has been Disney's Star Wars has slowly sucked the love and joy for the IP from me. To the point, I haven't even watched several of the new shows a single time all the wall through, and the latest I haven't even started. I can't even watch things like this reviewing and riffing on it anymore, I see Star Wars now and I don't even click, I just scroll by. I have put away my Star Wars posters, I don't wear my shirts, It feels like I have buried a close friend (and as a veteran I understand that feeling well), I just can't understand why they would set out to destroy something so wonderful for no better reason then politics?
Well said, I'm going to finish Ahsoka then I'm checking out for good, it's only going to get worse and I don't want to be still clinging to the wreckage when the Acolyte comes around
ngl this nearly made me tear up, ive not commited anywhere near as much into starwars as u im only 20 but im the same,i see sw i just keep scrolling now
TCW was amazing and Ahsoka was one of my favorites. She's likable, she has a legit journey to growing up and finding her way and she's an actual badass who's willing to sacrifice. Just watch TCW.
@@mareiramv immersion is the feeling of being in the art....the art can look however but it can still be uncanny....eye of the beholder....stop sucking disney dick or start getting paid for it.....what little money they have left
@@niksargsthat's just the art style of whoever did the mural used, probably Sabine. It's not like that didn't happened in real life too. I guess you just don't like this particular style, but I do think it makes sense.
I actually liked Ahsoka a lot, but that sibling line really bugged me. You’re telling me that Sabine is sneaking away to put on a private message that Ezra made for her, that Ezra recorded unbeknownst to all of us specifically for Sabine and he friendzones her? Like what? I think it's so ridiculous. It kind of reminds me of how Rachel Zegler has been saying stuff recently like “You know it's not going to be a love story” or “You know she’s not going to be saved by the prince” It’s that same kind of vibe, like they're intentionally avoiding a love story. Love doesn't undermine characters or the story they're part of, and I really dislike that this seems to be the prevailing sentiment lately. I understand Dave wanted to show that men and women can be friends without being romantic (which I think he already showed beautifully in Rebels and it's shown in various other Star Wars media) Yet, there's a need for understanding that at times, it's entirely acceptable for a woman to feel a sense of longing for a man and embark on a journey driven by love. It's a natural progression for the story and characters, and it just feels so unnatural after seeing Sabine's emotional display and attachment towards Ezra these past two episodes as well as Ezra’s obvious feelings for her in Rebels, to randomly insert “wEll aCtuALLy it’S SiBlinG lOve”.
Imo, trying to make them siblings now is a bad creative decision and can probably be chalked up to Filoni being flighty about romance in his projects. If Filoni wanted them to be siblings from the start, he shouldn't have made Ezra initially like her and then never taken concrete steps to make them seem more like siblings. He also shouldn't have made the Ashoka promotional materials so suggestive of Sabine having feelings for him. Feels like a jerk-around, and one I don't appreciate.
I agree with this completely, unless Dave Filoni has a incest kink it’s not as if such things have not been implied in Star Wars before cough cough hoth.
Yeah… that actually kills the tiny bit of interest I had in the show (I was gonna check it out after the season ended). You could (and many fanfics did) portray Ezra and Sabine as siblings based on seasons 1 and 2 (especially season 2 since they worked well together and Ezra had dropped the bad flirting attempts), but the last two seasons make that utterly impossible, and that entire sequence is an insult to the characters and the relationship they had in the show.
So we go from a stoic, emotionless bunch of characters in Mandalorian S3 with long pauses, vacant staring (if you see their faces at all), and walking, to a bunch of stoic, emotionless bunch of characters with long pauses, staring, and walking in Ahsoka. Yay. This is duh way.
genuinely don't know if you are mocking the show or the commentary. The show is so bad I don't see how it could be anything other than mocking that, but my understanding of that phrase as a non american tends to lean the other way.
@@randomperson8405 Didn't really mean it as a mock of either to be honest. Strictly my interpretation of the quote, as an event so bad that no one can come up with the best way to ask questions or report about it, and yes Ahsoka is so bad, I don't know how anyone can watch it. As for the Drinker and his panel, it just felt like they were trying so hard to present a balanced, honest review of the show and not just a pile on of hate bashing Disney, LucasFilm and Ahsoka.
I don't have a problem of Sabine surviving if she got immediate medical attention that Qui-Gon did not. She's a major character in Rebels and Dave isn't going to kill her in the first episode. What trips me out is how fast she healed like she's Wolverine. I don't know how long the time was between the end of Ep 1 and early Ep 2 but it felt like Sabine healed quickly and with no scarring. Even pregnant women who gets a C-section/cesarean while in labor will get scars. Did Indiana Jones pour holy water on Sabine with the Holy Grail? My suggestion is Shin should've injured her like hitting her arm, shoulder, or leg just enough that Sabine goes down. I don't like the idea of losing a hand. That's getting way too redundant like the rebellious pupil/failed teacher story. Ahsoka is already copying the find the map story from The Force Awakens. Sabine got stabbed at her kidney with a lightsaber that went through her back. But it felt all she got was a papercut and she was perfectly fine the next morning with a dab of Vicks VapoRub. WTF, Disney?
the bacta/medical lore has been pretty inconsistent with disney, certainly. based more on convenience for plot. That said I would assume based on EU for bacta to have the ability to minimize scarring... But again. Inconsistent.
The problem was that it is in really poor taste to have a character get stabbed in a seemingly lethal way in the first episode only for it to be totally fine.
X Did anyone else catch how the heck there was a map that lead to Thrawn's location? Like, who made this map? Did Thrawn? How did it get there, and how would anyone know that it would be a necessary item in the future? It seemed like it was just a "thing" they needed to move the story along. Did I miss something?
It makes no sense indeed. Reminds me of that Sith dagger in the sequel trilogy. That was plain stupid too. But there is even a bigger plot hole: why would anyone of the remaining imperials want Thrawn to return? However (highly) respected, no one in the imperial ranks liked him. One would assume that there are plenty of other pretenders to Palpatine's throne for whom Thrawn's absence (stuck in another galaxy!) Would be just what they needed. Why all these efforts to get him out? Mskes no sense to me.
@@toby7802none of the imperials besides Morgan’s people I guess are trying to bring back Thrawn. Thrawn is return on his own with his own fleet that Ezra banished along with himself to the other galaxy. Also read above comment
Kyle Katarn is probably the most popular EU character. Thrawn is just the best EU character. Then again basing a character on Alexander The Great, it is hard to go wrong.
Can confirm. I've played like 4 games that has Kyle Katarn as either the main character or a central side character, and I have no idea who Thrawn even is. 😅
@Slipstream317 he's the main character of the Dark Forces games, he later becomes one of Luke Skywalker's first Jedi and a founding member of the new Jedi. I'm pretty sure he's your characters instructor in the Jedi Academy titles and those are awesome games.
When they were talking about the comically easy puzzle solving scene, I thought of SWTOR's 'just shock the shit out of the artifact' in the inquisitor questline.
They should have just put one of the questlines into live action and would be a no brainer success. Agent comes to mind. No need to change anything. It was good enough.
Nothing will ever be dumber that Rey holding that knife that pointed to the death star's.... entrance? Or something, I dont rewatch crap. I mean who the hell made a knife that fits with how the crashed death star looks above the water? That was just hilarious...ly bad
This is the problem. In the books you meet thrawn in the first couple of pages. He is very involved in the empire and running mutiple plans at once. He is not the emperor he is not evil he is cold and ruthless because he sees a bigger threat coming to the galaxy
@@MNToThat This isn’t Rebels. I’m a Rebels fan, but this is NOT Rebels season 5. And even if it was, not introducing Thrawn quickly is not a smart idea.
No please. Let them delay introducing Thrawn for as long as possible. The longer that I can go before Disney character-assassinates Thrawn even more than Rebels did, the longer I can quietly enjoy things before the internet is flooded by normie NPCs who only know this stupid show and base their entire reference for the character from Filoni's Fuckups.
Speaking as someone who has always been very critical of Dave Filoni (and enjoyed a great number of his works), this show really exhibits all of his worst shortcomings when it comes to not only being a storyteller, but a star wars storyteller. The main thing is putting "what would look coolest?" ahead of logical or deeper storytelling.
Great point about "the count to three" -its like there was a delay in any emotional response.Give compliment 1, 2, 3- character smiles...and the smirking....so much smirking.
That’s no excuse for not creating interesting stories before that though? You don’t have to focus on an overarching story to be memorable if you can tell smaller stories well - like how Tells of Ba Sing Se from Avatar: The Last Airbender is technically a breather episode, yet still managed to be one of the most well-liked episodes of an already pristine show.
What a pity. Asoka was one of the best characters in the animated Clone Wars and Rebels shows. I was seriously hoping that this show would be great, bringing Asoka and her passion back to the small screen. I guess Disney fooled me twice. Shame on me.
Ahsoka as the 'unnamed' (non existent) apprentice stole the humanity and action-hero characterization from Anakin, first thing. When he's standing there, like a dufus and she has to be the one to one-up him, dropping stone henge on the battle droids which he allowed to walk up on him. Anakin became a guest star on his own show, in that moment. Add to which that Ahsoka is the one who is flatly _evil_. Taking chances which force others to rescue her from her own stupidity, asserting authority in situations (Y-wing attack) where she clearly has no clue what she's doing, gettting multiple clone pilots killed and then waxing philosophical about how this was a 'learning experience' for her and how dare anyone stop her from doing it again. Before, ORDERING Anakin, who is about to go running back into the bowels of the ship, to not go because this is irresponsible. She is a glory hound who is completely lacking in ability to offset her ego. And who is given 'specialness' because of what is between her legs, without recognition that testosterone is a male mood stabilizing hormone for a reason: we are the built-for-it warriors who do what we do, aggressively, because women cannot. They lack the strength. They lack the wisdom to know right from wrong. They lack the cognitive prowess as eternal adolescents trapped in a teenaged body which averages 5'4" tall and (in the healthy versions) is under 100lbs. Ahsoka is symptomatic of an effeminized society in which women want to be men but refuse to acknowledge what estrogen has done to them, physically and mentally, to take them down another path. And the sad part is, they are so lacking in imagination and self-awareness that women don't realize they are not 'proving something' by taking over a male heroic fantasy. They are simply showing how little creative spark they have in wanting what the boys have and then ruining it. Because they cannot generate their own fictional environment where they can Barbie-be-kewl follow a totally fictional set of in-universe rules. It's as though they know they completely lack any legitimacy in their ideation of how it should all be a girl-world and so simply exist to lamprey themselves onto better, more balanced, existence of all male drama. So as to maintain the pretense of it's achieved dramatic presentation. While not acknowledging how they are sucking the soul out of it with the poison of their own character-insert wannabe lead envy. This is stupid, if for no other reason than that no female is ever going to be asked to go off to war and take the risks a soldier does and thus women do not need nor deserve a heroic fantasy around which to build the ego of a sacrificial protector gender. Ahsoka is heart of the problem. And always has been. She cannot exist on her own, fighting her own gender, she only enjoys success in destroying that which women, clearly, _hate_ with an unending envy that wants to be what they seek to destroy: male.
@@xyz-hj6ul I'm sorry...did you want me to read through your dissertation? 🤔🥱 Yeah...I've got better things to.😴 Learn to keep it tight and on point.👈
It drives me nuts seeing how many people have been lured by the lights and glamour of the show, rather than the substance. Another show with no consequences- no real tension.
@@mickeymao7145 Exactly. When I watched Andor, my eyes were glued to each scene and every bit of dialogue seemed substantial. I wouldn’t dare look at my phone, thinking I’d miss an interesting bit of information or additional clever character development. This show, along with Mando, Boba Fett, etc feel exhausting to watch. I could openly leave at any point without feeling compelled to watch anything I missed. Tension building, character building, interesting dialogue, beautiful set designs, smart, unique plot- are all essential for a series to be successful. You’d think, with all the money and talent available to Disney, they could muster up better content.
@@Seldz1 True, unfortunately they just don't have the right people working on these shows, they spent over 200 million on Secret Invasion and it was terrible 🙄
This is something that a lot of low budget horror directors need to learn too. Long shots of people walking around while nothing happens do not build suspense. They just bore the audience. No, laying the music on really thick will not fix this
After watching Clone Wars around 4 years ago I was in absolute love with this character. If someone told me she would get her live action show I would've shat myself from happines. But somehow, in these few years Disney managed to annihilate Star Wars so badly that I genuinely don't care to watch even a single minute of this show. Truly an incredible achievement, to produce such prolific cinematic excrement with such consistency, for so long.
@shockedup2591 It certainly is an entry drug into the franchise for kids and as such it required a certain level of corny infantilism. That part was done well enough. But any closer inspection reveals it's indeed just a pile of fanfiction held together by a lot of duct tape.
@shockedup2591 I said i loved the character not the show. Im not really interested in arguing about shows quality because its quality has been rendered redundant by insidious sludge Disney has leaked out of their anal cavities. I compared it with prequels cause then everyone can basically go based of their opinion on prequels which saves a lot of arguing time. I personally though show had sporadic banger arcs and the rest of the time it was mostly filler and mediocrity. Seasons 1 and 2 were dreadful though. It is infinitely better than DIsney stuff though if only because it doesnt hate its audience, it doesnt try to show fringe ideological ideasa down my throats and most importantly doesnt fuck with the OT in any more than what prequels already did.
BTW... When Ahsoka was doing the Indiana Jones bit while trying to get the space ball in the first episode, I couldn't help but think about Eddie Murphy in "The Golden Child," in his quest for the Ajanti Dagger, record scratching with the columns while rapping "I... uh I... uh I... uh I... want the knife!" 😂🤣
I’m noticing there’s a pretty big gap in how two groups of people see the series, those of us who watched Star Wars rebels generally like it so far, the people who didn’t watch Star Wars rebels generally don’t like it, my conclusion is that the show shot itself in the foot by being live-action and trying to draw in people who had no idea what was going on because they didn’t watch rebels.
This show drawing from Rebels, of all possible content, is a separate problem. Kinda like making a _seemingly normal_ Warhammer TV show and base most of it on some cringey IP from Warhammer Kids, that somehow was allowed to include Yarrick.
Inviting imperials on your ship: dumb. Training someone not force sesitive as a jedi: dumb. Leaving a unique map in the hands of an unpredictable young lady: dumb. Ahsoka not being able to open the map whilst having all the tools and knowledge herself: dumb. An eons old map leading to a person only recently banished to another galaxy: dumb. Survival of stabbing with a light saber in the abdomen: dumb. Trying to bring Thrawn back knowing he's stuck in another galaxy: dumb. Droids taking ages to self destruct (and announcing they will): dumb. Taking out droids from beneath, only to be confronted by them again later: dumb.
I have been a Star Wars fan since the 90s. Old School. Ahsoka's mere existence undermines Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Yoda, Obi Wan.... the list goes on. Just on this show, Filoni has undermined Luke and Leia. Filoni can only write plot holes into the story which he then retcons, only to create more plot holes. Fact of the matter is that his stuff is mediocre at best. Star Wars going down in quality has three names: JJ, Filoni and KK. No other way around it.
@@chasehedges6775 Honestly they have destroyed Star Wars. Imagine how compelling it would have been to have Leia being hurt in the first episode (NO STABBING OF COURSE). This is a story that was meant for Luke and Leia. In fact we go to Corellia, Han's homeworld... and he is nowhere. I have seen people defending this as: "Ahsoka is the greatest!" or "Sabine survived because Shin missed vital organs", or my personal best "Luke, Leia and Han are not there because Harrison Ford would have requested millions". GEE.... At this point I feel Filoni has created a cult.
The dialogue improved significantly in episode 2 vs. episode 1 (though very low bar). They had a main female character fail at something, the new republic shipyard conversation was actually really interesting and well done (granted it was serving to address the massive break to the universe JJ gave us with the sequel title crawl), and they speed ran the map fetch quest instead of making it the entire plot of the show. I've never been particularly impressed by Filoni but he only directed the first two episodes so I'm honestly looking forward to see what the other directors can do. By Disney Star Wars standards, this still has a chance to be ok.
I didn't hate the first two episodes but I am not very enthusiastic about them. I like them less the more I think about it. One thing I don't quite understand---are they saying Sabine is a force-user now, or did Ahsoka decide to train her because she absconded with Ezra's lightsaber? I actually don't mind the idea that Ahsoka would train her in lightsaber combat since she and Sabine were supposed to be teamed up over X amount of time searching for Ezra. But naming her a padawan and Sabine having force abilities that were not at all hinted at in Rebels? No. Besides, as a Mandalorian, she doesn't *need* force abilities to go toe-to-toe with a force-wielding foe. As stated in Rebels, Mandalorian armor and gadgets were pretty much custom made to fight Jedi. Speaking of which, why wasn't she wearing her armor as we saw her doing 99% of her screen time in Rebels? Of course, we need a bad ass "hero's journey" moment where she gets it out of a dusty storage bin like she hasn't worn it in years. Kind of a dumbass move...she should have been wearing it when she laid her speeder bike down just to prove to us she's a female honey badger, let alone when she needlessly got roped into a fistfight with droids and a lightsaber duel with a force-user...could have actually put up a decent fight and even if she got stabbed with the saber, it would have glanced off her beskar and given her a bitching (and believably survivable) side wound. But no, we get another Star Wars girl boss that shrugs off a back-alley tubal ligation.
As Huyang said, her aptitude for the force falls short of every padawan he’s ever seen. Also, Sabine hasn’t worn her armor in years. She’s obviously quit her training, they weren’t looking for Ezra cause they thought he was dead until now, so she has had no need to wear her armor. The reason she has it on 99% of the time is rebels is actually very simple. Same reason every character wears the same clothes all the time. You see this in cartoons all the time
@@oXRaptorzXo I get the animation budgeting thing, sure, but live action shows back up my point of view---what Mandalorian in the Mandalorian, even ones *NOT* part of the Children of the Watch, were ever seen outside their armor, even when sitting at leisure? For the sake of argument, let's say she only wears it when she knows she's going into combat, and hasn't done that for years...okay. She just got jumped by two droids at the top of a big-ass communications tower/efficiency apartment and the last droid stole the Macguffin and beat her to the elevator. She should at least have thrown on her helmet and the jetpack (which, I'd imagine, involves also wearing the torso armor). And as far as Huyang's statement, I'd wager this is simply a reference to her lack of training, not any statement about her innate force ability. I doubt she'll be played up as particularly powerful---I think they had to have learned *something* from Rey the Mary Sue---but I'd wager she's not going to be portrayed as having only one or two midichlorians rolling around in her innards, either.
@@valecrassus7835 Sabine hasn’t been in a battle for years, yeah, that’s why she isn’t wearing her armor. She’s not exactly a strict religious mando. And after being attacked by the droids, again, it takes time to put on armor. Attaching the jetpack requires the chest plate to be attached (does she even have a jetpack? I forgot), and the helmet, sure she could’ve put it on but it wouldn’t do anything except make her vision less clear really. Huyang said her “aptitude for the force would fall short of them all,” so take that how you wish
@@oXRaptorzXo She's in pursuit of a droid ostensibly fleeing with an All Important MacGuffin(tm). The character would have known it was worth a full minute or more to strap on the armor and then pursue, even if the droid had hopped a speeder bike the instant it hit ground level. Instead, she spends time fishing a lightsaber she out of a box sitting *right* in front of her armor and helmet, stares meaningfully at it for a long few seconds, then charges out of the SAME elevator the droid took. If the droid bothered smashing everything on her table and planned on getting away (which she DOES notice---she spends a long moment looking at the table before digging in a closed box for the lightsaber), she would certainly figure there's a very good chance would have trashed her speeder bike if it was parked downstairs. So...jetpack good. Yes, she has a jetpack. Acquired sometime in season 3 of Rebels. Mandalorian helmets don't negatively affect Mandalorians. I cannot see any real reasoning that would justify, even in the heat of the moment, NOT putting on armor that can stop blasters, lightsabers, and can fly in favor of running out the door with nothing but a melee weapon she hasn't been practicing with. It was a resoundingly stupid move and rather out of character at that.
@@valecrassus7835 the enemy ship wasn’t far away. In the minute it would take Shin would’ve just left and gotten away. And no obviously the helmet is good but it’s not really helpful if you don’t have the rest of the armor. She still would’ve been stabbed all the same and if anything the helmet limits vision.
Holy hell, those first two episodes were a trudge to get through. Honestly, I feel like my biggest issue with Ahsoka (and the majority of the newer Disney Star Wars shows) is the abysmal pacing. Like, scenes that can't reasonably justify lasting more than 30 seconds go on for like 5 minutes -- for example, the scene where Sabine is racing away from the ceremony. Why was that like 4 minutes when the only thing that did to progress the plot was let us know she wasn't going? Mandalorian season 3 suffered this same issue of insane bloat, and the only reason I can think of that they're doing that to the show is to just fill minutes. I feel like the last three projects Filoni has been on (Mando, Boba Fett, and now Ahsoka) have been horrendously slow/bloating/boring and the stakes are mostly non-existent. Not sure what's going on with him but his live action shows mostly feel like a waste of time. Also, wouldn't getting stabbed by a lightsaber boil your insides???
FINALLY some reviewers start calling out how Filoni is NOT a genius who can save Lucasfilm and Star Wars! The guy has become too self indulgently obsessive with his characters. Without other good writers and directors to keep him in check while trying to do live action, he will ruin what good work he did in animation.
Three big problems for me. 1) Another MacGuffin to find someone that doesn’t want to be found. Didn’t work in TLJ, still doesn’t work here. 2) The MacGuffin is just copy paste Treasure Planet. 3) Another person survived being stabbed through with a lightsaber.
@@pftburchell5197 No. Luke doesn’t want to be found and he definitely didn’t make a map to himself. And his location, while apparently some old Jedi structure, has no relevance to anything and there’s no reason there hold be a map to there, and there’s no way they would know Luke is on that planet.
@@oXRaptorzXo He says he doesn’t want to be found but that’s just part of the bad writing. They went looking for the map, to find Luke. I’m sorry but this MacGuffin thing is just dumb.
I didn't understand the General. She was pretty young for a general but I get that. What i didn't understand was one: how does she not understand top secret(being a general does not automatically make you have clearance to view anything and everything) two: where is her staff? Generals are very active people. They have an unbelievable amount of responsibility and will rarely if ever be seen without their staff with them. They will never be seen without a security detail unless that detail is hiding but will still be close by. I know it seems small but it totally threw me off.
The entire two episode pilot consisted of direct or inverted homages to the previous movies. A dark force user sending small probe droids out on a barren landscape (TPM). Villains rescuing their leader by boarding a vessel (ANH inversion). Dark force villain assaulting good guys relentlessly on a their ship (RO). Opening scene of Rebels, but with Sabine driving down the street. Looking for a map like the sequels. Dreamy voices (TFA).
What happened to the twi'lek's son? She ended Rebels with a child, the parting gift of her husband that she loved dearly. I guess they cannot show a woman being motherly though because that would require Disney showing a traditional gender role and we cannot have that.
Man, this stings because I'm actually a huge fan of TCW and even Ahsoka herself was a favorite of mine (yes, her existance kinda fucks the canon, but they eventually won me over with good character writing) Sad to hear Filoni lost his touch, though honestly I don't think anyone would be capable of saving Disney Wars. Only way I'd be hopeful would be if they sold the rights to someone else, who then decided to declare all the Disney content non-canon.
Didn't I recently see a ludicrous 9-inch tall fluffy toy in combat with serious looking warrior in a clip of something describing itself as a 'Star Wars derivative'.
I tried watching this with my niece who's 14 and she didn't like it at all, I never watched Rebels but she has and she basically said it was too boring and none of the characters act like they did in the cartoon. So who's this show for again?
I find it funny that live action Star Wars have problem with showing us relationships, while video games (Jedi Survivor) gives us a great romance between Cal Kestis and Merrin - my favourite couple in the franchise.
I love Star Wars Rebels, my own pet Peak Star Wars (after Empire). I really, really want Ahsoka, the series, to be as well-written as Rebels. The animated females in Rebels were so beautifully balanced: vulnerable, likeable and good-hearted, but strong, while never man-hating.
I love you guys, but I swear it sounds like an echo chamber. Maybe find someone that you can bounce off of that might actually have some disagreement with you guys? It's not debate, it's just six folks patting each other on the back for sharing the same opinion.
I will say the droid is probably the only one who could’ve identified the lightsabers bc he was there when they were all made. The empire would’ve seized/destroyed the Jedi records
Sabine was very emotional in Rebels but her issue was that she was cagey and closed-off. I didn’t mind her portrayal as much as the others. I kind of didn’t like her being portrayed as a brat. She’s 30 here. She shouldn’t be ducking out of ceremonies and trying to crash her speeder into an E-Wing. Also, Sabine has been dealing with other shit since Rebels with Mandalore being destroyed, though for some reason that hasn’t come up at all. However, Sabine being listless and kind of depressed at this point in her life does make sense. Hera is going to be difficult without Kanan to balance her out. I would like to see the show lean into her loneliness and sense of isolation. I know she has a son but it’s not the same as a partner. We know that Hera was as emotionally dependent on Kanan as he was on her and we know from the books that she hadn’t re-married or gotten into other serious relationships. I’m wondering now where they plan to take Ahsoka? She’s dealt with her youthful impetuousness, Order 66 and Anakin’s betrayal. I’m not sure what other psychological battles she has left to fight? Ahsoka has never been aloof by nature. She’s not Han Solo; she connects with people wherever she goes.
I’d love for them to find Thrawn and they hand him the keys to the empire only to throw them over his shoulder… so they can focus on the new girl sith instead.
"Teeeeeell meeee, wheeeeeereee iiiiiis Graaaand Aaaaaadmiiiiraaaal Thraaaaaawwwwn, fooooor Iiii soooo waaaaant toooooo fiiiiiiind Eeeeeeezraaaaa...." - Delivered in the slowest Celeborn-like voice ever, I mean, geez weez the pace was slooooooooooooooow.
My teenage daughter grew up with Ahsoka, Clone Wars and Rebels. She has all the merch, loved the character. Then she saw the dour, sulky - and yes, stoic - portrayal in Mando, said "No, that's not Ahsoka," and that was her out. Totally done with it. That's their _core audience_ right there. Who do they even have left to alienate?
Yeah I'm in the same boat but instead of me, my mother is an Ahsoka fan and unfortunately she still is. I remember telling her when ahsoka showed up in mando it wasn't her. My mother just goes with whatever is thrown at her and she told me that "no they she was preformed perfectly" and that i was just an uneducated hater. What bothered me the most about that episode was how mercilessly kills the ladies guards. Something I noticed as a child watching clone wars was she wouldn't kill. She did if she had too but she would rather force push them away.
I miss snips. That was literally her thing.
I would have loved to see that mature as a character trait, not disappear.
I was thinking the exact same thing
I was out the second, they announced Dawson for portraying Ahsoka. She can´t move, she´s unable to mimik. All the protagonists, Ahsoka, Sabine, Hera, no longer have anything to do with the characters from the animated series. Thrawn will be trans, and Ezra will be gay, for sure.
@@RaptorRockDrakeJesusAhsoka literally decapitates people in the clone wars…..
The sad part is that Hera, Sabine and Ahsoka actually do have charming and engaging personalities in their Animated forms. It's all been drained out in the transfer.
I haven't watched this series. I don't think I will to be honest. But my take from the trailers? It has the Dad just passed away and everybody is gathering for the funeral vibe.
There is no energy, no emotion. Everybody is just numb.
You’ve hit the nail on the head. This is the problem with the new show. Shame that these guys missed that
I know rebels had problems, but damn I miss those versions of the characters
Just like the terrible She-Hulk show vs. much better comic.
Women bad.
Girlbosses good.
I love shows where women stand still with their arms crossed in every scene. It really engages me.
Mood
“Engage”
As a self-identifying wahmenz, it really makes me FEEL empowered!
Ironic cause it makes their b00bs bigger
stunning and brave?
Star Wars has made lightsaber injuries just pointless when inflicted on the heroes. Remember when Qui Gon Jin got the exact same kind of injury as Sabine and it killed him almost immediately? Every hero in the new Star Wars since Disney took over survives being slashed or stabbed with a lightsaber. Sabine is just the latest in a series of this: Kylo Ren, slashed across the face and survives with barely a tiny scar that half the time you don't even notice, Finn has his entire spine absolutely WRECKED by Kylo's lightsaber slash and he's up and running around in the beginning of the very next movie, Kylo is stabbed through the chest and Rey heals him because he needs to become a good guy. At this point there's absolutely no tension in any lightsaber battle because even if the protagonist loses they aren't going to die, which means there's no stakes anymore.
Edit (because I never expected the post to blow up like this): I should probably have been more clear and included big bad guys as well, but my point still stands. Back in the OT days, a lightsaber was rightly viewed as one of the most dangerous weapons in the galaxy. It was a weapon of pure, shaped plasma that could cut through pretty much anything (with a few notable exceptions) and was treated with the respect it deserved by both characters AND the people writing the stories. Now, as has been said many times over, a lightsaber is treated a little better than some kind of light-up wiffle ball bat that you just beat people with, and this goes for the video games as well (looking at you Jedi Survivor). The majesty and lethality of the lightsaber is gone and the entire concept has honestly gotten pretty boring. That's why the Mandalorian's first and most of the second season were so well-received, it stepped away from the Jedi as audiences had been utterly inundated with them and lightsabers and delved a bit more into the lore of Star Wars itself from a non-jedi character. Granted the show went off the rails and sidelined the very character people were tuning in to watch in the first place, but those first two seasons were a wasted opportunity precisely because the Jedi were in no way the focus and we only saw a lightsaber used a small handful of times.
Actually he got hit through the spine she got hit under her ribs lol also if you actually were a real fan and read the books he chose to become one with the force so yet again another fake fan
@@HaleTheFreeVoiceThis guy gets it. Real Fans™ consume all the slop Disney excretes.
@@HaleTheFreeVoicebooks can't solve the plotholes put in .ovies that were not based on books
Plus the choreography sucks as well.
@@HaleTheFreeVoice
The irony in your username cannot be understated. 'Power to free speech', but if it says something you don't like, degrade and denounce their opinions
Hera: "The Empire is defeated and now the galaxy is at peace.
War Crimes Chopper: "I don't want peace! I want problems! Always!"
best chop
I liked Mary Elizabeth Winstead in FInal Destination 3 but she's really unconvincing as Hera. Very very unlike the one we saw in Rebels. And Rebels was already a mediocre show.
@@KhukuriGod💯👍
@@KhukuriGod She was a cutie in Scott Pilgrim.
The voice actress for Hera in Rebels was very good and had previously voiced Mary Jane on The Spectacular Spider-Man.
Ahsoka is not the brooding character they're going with in this show, one who crosses her arms all the time and just stares off into the distance. She's vocal and uses lots of body language when speaking, and she's got that sass that she throws into the mix, along with a dose of contemplation when things are serious. She reminds me of Old Ben, as opposed to the former Jedi who was trained by Anakin and befriended Padmé.
Exactly! Her stoicism in this particular show is incongruous to what we saw in the animated show. It's really weird.
I agree, I feel Ike yes she should be a bit more stoic since she's a bit older but she doesn't have to be a plank of wood.
You guy's may be thinking of a younger Ashoka, near the end of rebels she was much more self reflective and less impulsive.
Which is why I wish Ashley Eckstein was cast to portray Ahsoka
@@BattleDamageProps I think so too but you can be older and mature without being boring....but I think it's how they've shaped all older Jedi characters somewhat.
Couple of things, firstly these characters emoted a hell of a lot more in the animated Rebels show, they were actually interesting in that!! Secondly, Ahsoka finds this incredibly important key to finding one of the greatest enemies of the New Republic so what does she do? Does she get it put under guard on a New Republic ship or base? No, of course not, she lets Sabine wander off alone with it to the middle of nowhere and have it stolen from her!!
That's a typical trope used in a lot of stories.
That part absolutely broke me. You would expect that Ahsoka would know Sabine enough to know what she was going to do...
To me that only says that Ahsoka's circle of trust is limited, especially when it comes to the New Republic.
@@BonafideShaunDent
A very stupid trope and the sign of a lack of creativity in a situation like this.
To be fair, she found it and promptly learned a new republic cruiser had hijacked the prisoner who lead her to it. I would hesitate to leave it outside my immediate reach as well.
The "padding" is a real issue that isn't going away. Streaming services don't need quality content. They've already got your money. What they need is a lot of content. It's a good thing people will watch paint dry, so long as you tell them it's "Star Wars" paint.
That's why I collect physical media 👍
But if it's minutes watched they're after one would think that a show that is not filled dead space would get more viewing time in the long run, no? I just can't make sense of what they're doing these days.
The weird thing is that it costs them money to store and stream it, so minutes watched is a _downside._ The only metric that _actually_ matters is whether it brings in or retains subscriptions. Their princess is always in another castle.
Looking at their revenue, this strategy pays off great 😂😂😂
Reject streaming, return to cable and dvds
I find it crazy that the Droid assassins have nukes to self destruct and that's overkill.
Nah, they should've armed them with mini-deathstar lasers.
Yeah, my first thought was, a few of those droids, and their self destructs could have won the clone wars all by themselves
The grey sand was explosive so it was a chain reaction.
I get the self-destruct. Self-destruct to take out the target even if damaged or disabled is a nice feature to have. City-block leveling self-destruct is where it gets really ridiculous. Just drop a bomb then.
@@MNToThat Source?
um, *pushes up glasses* Sabine was the only one who could unlock the map because she’s got the Artist’s Eye, ok you guys? it’s like, a great explanation, I have no questions whatsoever.
also, how many fucking maps to “unfindable”people exist at this point? who’s making these maps to people who want to disappear? it happens every movie or show lol.
I was hoping that the map ball puzzle actually turned out to be some kind of Hellraiser style Lament Configuration and a bunch of hooks on chains come flying out, tearing her apart.
Yeah I have a map to explain that . Hang on where the fuck is it? Someone got a map for the map? Help me out.
The weird ancient mcguffin that points to a person or thing, AT a specific time and place, MADE a long time ago and hidden somewhere. Is that the best they can do? On a police drama show you are not going to see that nonsense, they just investigate logical clues to the conclusion. I realize its more work but steal that idea maybe.
@@ph4se2that requires effort and basic intelligence. That is absolutely beyond them.
@@ph4se2my theory is they are terrified of contemporary world building details.
If they made things logical it would involve confirming much about the way the world works and that limits their future writing options to fit continuity *but* ancient temples and nebulous maps are vague and mysterious so they escape the same level of scrutiny.
“I’ll put you to a 30 second time limit, let’s just do that”
“Dribbley piss, you can have the other 28 seconds”
“Content”
The stoic thing is especially noticeable and annoying because these characters weren't like that in Clone Wars/Rebels. Hera is the only one of those characters who is kinda girl-bossy. Ahsoka and Sabine are much more open and feminine characters in those animated shows.
Ahsoka talking about Vader.
Ahsoka, the girl who went through hell and back with Anakin. Was not afraid to show emotion but always got back up no matter how hard she was thrown down, even if she felt betrayed by the entire Jedi order and the Republic.
Now she hardly has emotional range. Even Episode 5 puppet Yoda has more expressive emotions than her.
Disney is not even trying to get it right
Disney never cared for anything so why should we? I'll probably never watch any "new" star wars now. If anything, watch clonewars not this junk
I watched both episodes today. My take would be that these characters are now older and have become more jaded, especially because they are in higher political or military positions, thus more "stoic". I do like the mercenary "jedi or sith" or whatever they are, especially at the end of the second episode.
I loved Rebels, and I could see this going to good places, but the intro gives me too many Game of Thrones vibes...
We'll just have to wait and see what they do next.
@@RaptorRockDrakeJesusPreach
You must’ve not seen the ending of Rebels where Ahsoka appeared very stoic.
No empire lasts forever. And lucasfilm is getting close.
It's not fun any more. It is just a product we are told we need to love and support even though the magic was drained a long time ago - in THIS galaxy
It's 476 AD for Lucasfilm.
@@SolarDragon007 SOOO TRUE. Modern Lucasfilm is the next Western Roman Empire
I'll give it this: Stoic is better than constant screaming and unbridled emotion. They at least felt a bit more like adults. But then, as drinker said, they lacked all emotion and were very robotic.
You’ve been watching too much modern Star Trek haha.
@@aldunlop4622No. He hasn't. Lol.
Yeah but that’s a trait typically associated with men, not women. Women generally aren’t like that
Man, this is just getting really sad at this point
It’s like see the 1990s McDonald’s and see the 2020 remodel that just grey tones
Ar this point? My guy, it started 4 years ago 😂
And all it will take is one ☝️ Star Wars content to 90. Degree perception
With a follow up to get to a 180
I’d say that’s the sadder part. “You can screw up a thousand times, doesn’t mean you won’t succeed the Thousandth and first”
Star Wars is an animated corpse
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_But this is live action_ 🧌
What the drinker said exactly how i felt. In Obi Wan the women were screaming all the time trying to look menacing and here they ended up not having any personality with the silence lol
It's ok storyline wise and my only major gripe was Sabine surviving the lightsaber stab. Why has this bullshit suddenly become a Star Wars norm? And only with Strong Diverse Females surviving?
Ray Stevenson was the best part. So much poise and confidence in his performance. What a crying shame that he left us so soon.
Yeah, I love how lightsabers will instantly burn through armored doors, and once plunged into the door will immediately start melting the metal around it, but when stabbed through a human body they only leave small wound the diameter of the blade. 🤔
It's a shit storyline because it's a bastardized version of Heir to the Empire but with Dave Filoni OCs.
@@GeraltofRivia22 a-fucking-men
There are parts of the body where being stabbed isn't immediately life threatening plus lightsaber would instantly cauterize the wound. I believe Shin wasn't trying to kill Sabine as she could sense Sabine wasn't really any threat to her.
The Obi wan show was just all kinds of stupid. Reva should have died, but also shouldn't have even been a character to begin with.
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Funny how in a previous scene the same stab instantly killed the commander of the republic ship
Making excuses for Disney has become a full time job for some
How nice of disney to give drinker more content 😂
Drinker has gone from "critical" to "cynical", a casual viewer with little to no insight. Every stream I hear the same bollocks, so they don't provide anything new to the conversation for 2 years now.
True, I stopped watching Disney star war after Mando series 1. Yet I keep catching the surgical break downs here ...
I don't think it is funny, mate...
Ezra: "I love you like a sister..."
Sabine: "Well, this is star wars... How about a quick snog? I'm sure Luke and Leia would approve."
😂
Yea that was a weird line especially as he clearly wanted to bang her all through rebels.
They had to add that line since they made Sabine Les in one of the comics.
Qui Gon Jin died of a sudden heart attack bc he was vaccinated
You sure it wasn't global warming that caused the heart attack?
Pretty sure I read something in the news about that.
I also find it amusing that droids are destroyed by a poke from a light saber now, but people are fine. You'd think it'd be the opposite, silly me.
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They brought back some of what I remembered about Sabine Wren’s character with that police chase scene with her on a speeder bike, but it didn’t even make sense why she would just randomly dip on the ceremony. Why wouldn’t she just decline to attend, or decline, then show up in the crowd to watch? The rest of the premier of “Ahsoka” did fail to properly portray Sabine Wren’s character. Also, Sabine as a Padawan seems so contrived and inconsistent with what I remember of her personality.
I absolutely agree that “Ahsoka” has stripped away the personalities of Ahsoka, Sabine, and Hera. The only “Rebels” character they’ve gotten right so far is Chopper. When his tiny arms popped out of his head to celebrate planting the tracker on the HK droid’s ship, I’m like “Yup, that’s Chopper. You nailed him.” Why is a rolling garbage can with freaky little arms more expressive than flesh-and-blood, humanoid characters? It drives me crazy how badly these characters have been fumbled.
Well, chopper was Filoni. It can be physically emotive like a silent movie while uttering a single vocal noise and have far more emotional range than any of the humanoid representations. The show is bad live action cosplay. Ahsoka and the others should have stayed in the cartoon version of the Star Wars universe.
At 10:17 - Regarding Mauler's concern about why the droid Huyang was the only one who could run a scan on their lightsabers to make an ID on them, it's because he actually *is* the only one who can do that. He was the Jedi Order's lightsaber construction teacher and taught every Padawan how to build and construct a lightsaber that would fit them as the future Jedi they would later become, so he'd be the one to have each Jedi's name and saber hilt stored in his internal memory, not the New Republic. At this point, he's the closest thing to the Jedi archives around. I suppose they could have gone to the Jedi Temple, but knowing Disney and the budget they give these shows, it probably would have been too much work.
I like how Disney's streaming service is called D+, like it's the grade all their employee's got in school.
And they only got a D+ thanks to No Child Left Behind.
Each episode of the clone wars was only 22 minutes long and you got more story, action, depth of character than we got from 2 hours of these two episodes
The funniest thing about the 2nd episode is when Sabine hacks a robot helmet with battery charger and decrypt the message without a keyboard and a screen after it literally explode.
Three main gripes:
Senseless. So many key mechanics for the story, from the stupid map-ball to the stonehenge knock-off. Nightsisters havin an outpost (the temple complex)? Nightsisters of Dathomir? Really?
Smugness. Everybody was so damn smug. Gee it was unbearable. Special award to Sabine Wren for being smug without even approaching to accomplish anything.
Travel. It is instanteous now. Vehicle doesn´t matter. Everything is instanteous.
Many other things, from laserbolts which suddenly are flak-laserbolts and explode mid-air. The fight choreography (or the lack of it). Lightsabers just tickle. No accountability (another special award to Sabine Wren). Run-time padding. And many other.
I somehow like the apprentice tho and Ray Stevenson of course. The combo of those two was kinda good too.
When is travel instantaneous here?
@@oXRaptorzXo Hyperspace jumps are not instanteous and take time depending on the hyperdrive used by the ship.
That is a Disney problem as they not only completly forgo the passing of time, but also disregard it in the story telling. Every single jump to another planet is displayed as basically instanteous, with no time passed.
Unless you want to suggest that Sabine took days to grab her armor, cut her hair and move to the inner city and then waited there for at least a day or two for Ashoka to show up.
@@2nd_Directorate Disney does have a problem with the hyperspace stuff as seen in Kenobi. It’s not present here in this show.
Why would Sabine take days to grab her armor. Her home is minutes away from the main city. And hyperspace jumps don’t take a whole day or two. They can take a few hours, or yeah maybe a day if it’s a really far jump.
@@oXRaptorzXo Even core routes from systems close to eachother take several hours. After that we take about a day to several days. Weeks if you want to get from one end of the galaxy to the other. And that is the time a ship like the Millenium Falcon or SD´s take.
That is old canon. The problem in Ahsoka is that these times might be there, but if they are not depicted they would have to be rationalized. Which shouldn´t be the job of the audience.
Case in point. We see Sabine´s armouring up , directly followed by her call to Ahsoka that she is ready. Next scene is Ahsoka arriving, greeted by Sabine. Not one indication of any time past.
So yes, it IS a problem in Ahsoka too. What makes it bad is that you take out all stakes or makes it absurd if you do not establish travel time , should some event arrive which needs a character to reach a destination under time pressure.
@@2nd_Directorate the show doesn’t have to show the time passing. That would just pad out the runtime with unnecessary scenes of them in hyperspace. Also, your times just aren’t right. It’s never takes several hours to get to a nearby system, and it’s never taken weeks to cross the galaxy. If that were the case then travel would be remarkably inefficient
Anyone who knows who Thrawn is is familiar with his tactical genius and ingenuity. He climbed the ranks of the Empire extremely quickly, executing his plans to borderline perfection, estimating his opponents perfectly and predicting their every move, using logic and every resource at his disposal to reach his goals.
So with this in mind, please tell me: How can Filoni possibly write a smart character? And if he's incapable of writing people of average intelligence, how on earth can we expect him to write a tactical genius? Thrawn's character is almost certainly going to be assassinated in this show, and as a Thrawn fan, I mourn the inevitable.
He wrote thrawn in revels...
And had him being defeted by a child soldier and a couple of space whales, so...
Its not that hard you just make the villain aware of the script and wrote him always a step ahead from everybody else, its like plot armor for cool villains, just like joker always has something on his sleeve
@@ryckarduhryckarduh180That's a great point. However, allow me to ask you a simple question: From what we have seen thus far in Ahsoka, Mando, and Book of Boba Fett, do you really think Filoni is capable of writing something simple like that, and writing it well? My point is that because he's...not the sharpest writer in the drawer, he'll completely botch Thrawn's character. There are plenty of ways to mess a character like that up. For instance, the writers could write Thrawn acting off information that he himself doesn't have yet, because they can't keep track of what each character knows and doesn't know. They could write him to make a prediction that is contingent on so many moving parts outside of his control and that rely on billion-to-one odds, but somehow the plan works perfectly because of luck.
And FINALLY, when he is defeated (I assume they'll have to defeat him at some point, because otherwise the First Order would never have failed), he could loose in a really dumb way because he needs to loose and the writers (Dave) couldn't figure out an intelligent way for him to be defeated.
THAT is what I'm concerned about. The characters are only as intelligent as the people who write them. You cannot have someone like Dave Filoni write someone who's entire identity is based on his intelligence.
@@sanholo2483 He was off-planet at the time, he only just got there when they had taken control of the dome. If his dorito hadn't been flying above the city, the space whales would have been useless. The rebels needed to have control of the dome for their plan to work.
To go further back, the rebels were able to capture Governor Pryce by tricking her into thinking that Ryder Azadi was betraying them. Thrawn, as child soldier said, would never have fallen for that. Thrawn's defeat in rebels was out of his control, he was called off-planet by Emperor Space Rasin. He didn't know about the space whales, so he couldn't have planned for them. That's not to say that the rebels' plan shouldn't have failed in multiple ways, but Thrawn's defeat wasn't his fault by any means. Same thing with the attack on Planet Bendu: One officer was like, "nah, I'm tired of this shit", and decided to leave his position and attack even though Thrawn told him not to.
@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs oh I quit after mandalorian season 2, they're not fooling me again, and I never cared for starwars animated series I was just saying in general but if what you say about filoni being a dummy is true than yeah Im guessing he cant write characters smarter than him
You could have figured out that rubix ball accidentally if you played with it enough.
Yup, there were only 64 possible combinatioms (4 x 4 x 4) but they had to fly to another planet to get a 30 year old acting like a teenager to solve it.
Sabine had plot armour made of beskar
Yeah, the droid could just bruteforce even a more complicated puzzle.
I had more fun spending the day at my in-laws going over their holiday photos at Butlins than watching Ahsoka.
Butlins is pretty peak
goddamn i guess i laughed much harder than i should have :D
Butlins is pretty tragic but Pontins is on a whole nother level lads.
Am I the only one that doesn't think the actor for Asoka fits her character? I wish they got someone a little less abrasive to play her. Not that I'd watch anyway 😅
I found Mrs Ewan McGregor way worse as Hera
Not sure if it the actress that don't have much range or the director that making it so.
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@@MNToThatMary Elizabeth Winstead just isn’t good here
I've had a crush on Rosario Dawson since I was 12 years old. I've been an Ahsoka fanboy since Clone Wars. The fact that I couldn't finish 2 episodes of this show illustrates the profound depth of Disney's failure.
I find it hilarious they can't even keep her head dress right.
She’s far left as well. Not worth the admiration
I'll never not cringe at guys fanboying over girl characters.
@Ruairoquai I'll never stop cringing at Disney for destroying said female characters for the sake of FeMaLe EmPoWeRmENt.
In addition to scenes dragging out, it seemed like a lot of camera shots lingered for a few or several beats longer than necessary, making it feel like even more of a slog to watch. I kept checking the time remaining, which is always a bad sign.
good to see Despot on the livestream, he's got good stuff!
I am not going to lie, as a child I watched the first three movies until the VHS tapes burned out. I dressed up for Halloween in Star Wars gear, mowed yards and cleaned pools for money to buy Star Wars Lego sets. As a young man I spent thousands of dollars on accurate Mandalorian armor, replica weapons, figures and toys. Hell, I even liked the prequels and defended them, but the rolling dumpster fire that has been Disney's Star Wars has slowly sucked the love and joy for the IP from me. To the point, I haven't even watched several of the new shows a single time all the wall through, and the latest I haven't even started.
I can't even watch things like this reviewing and riffing on it anymore, I see Star Wars now and I don't even click, I just scroll by. I have put away my Star Wars posters, I don't wear my shirts, It feels like I have buried a close friend (and as a veteran I understand that feeling well), I just can't understand why they would set out to destroy something so wonderful for no better reason then politics?
This was well said. I felt the same way about Star Wars, but now I’ve given up.
Well said, I'm going to finish Ahsoka then I'm checking out for good, it's only going to get worse and I don't want to be still clinging to the wreckage when the Acolyte comes around
When I was a kid, I wore a karate gi to imitate luke.
ngl this nearly made me tear up, ive not commited anywhere near as much into starwars as u im only 20 but im the same,i see sw i just keep scrolling now
Couldn't agree more. What an absolute waste of opportunity.
TCW was amazing and Ahsoka was one of my favorites. She's likable, she has a legit journey to growing up and finding her way and she's an actual badass who's willing to sacrifice. Just watch TCW.
The mural being the cartoon characters was like vacuum decompression for immersion imo
I don't see the problem with that, personally. It's art and can be done the way the artist want it to be done.
@@mareiramv immersion is the feeling of being in the art....the art can look however but it can still be uncanny....eye of the beholder....stop sucking disney dick or start getting paid for it.....what little money they have left
@@mareiramvit looks like some child’s fan-art, not painting for war heroes
@@niksargsthat's just the art style of whoever did the mural used, probably Sabine. It's not like that didn't happened in real life too. I guess you just don't like this particular style, but I do think it makes sense.
@@niksargsthat’s how the painting was. It’s better this way.
I actually liked Ahsoka a lot, but that sibling line really bugged me. You’re telling me that Sabine is sneaking away to put on a private message that Ezra made for her, that Ezra recorded unbeknownst to all of us specifically for Sabine and he friendzones her? Like what? I think it's so ridiculous. It kind of reminds me of how Rachel Zegler has been saying stuff recently like “You know it's not going to be a love story” or “You know she’s not going to be saved by the prince” It’s that same kind of vibe, like they're intentionally avoiding a love story. Love doesn't undermine characters or the story they're part of, and I really dislike that this seems to be the prevailing sentiment lately. I understand Dave wanted to show that men and women can be friends without being romantic (which I think he already showed beautifully in Rebels and it's shown in various other Star Wars media) Yet, there's a need for understanding that at times, it's entirely acceptable for a woman to feel a sense of longing for a man and embark on a journey driven by love. It's a natural progression for the story and characters, and it just feels so unnatural after seeing Sabine's emotional display and attachment towards Ezra these past two episodes as well as Ezra’s obvious feelings for her in Rebels, to randomly insert “wEll aCtuALLy it’S SiBlinG lOve”.
I didn’t like it either. Watch them make Sabine lesbian now with Shin or something 😭
Imo, trying to make them siblings now is a bad creative decision and can probably be chalked up to Filoni being flighty about romance in his projects. If Filoni wanted them to be siblings from the start, he shouldn't have made Ezra initially like her and then never taken concrete steps to make them seem more like siblings.
He also shouldn't have made the Ashoka promotional materials so suggestive of Sabine having feelings for him. Feels like a jerk-around, and one I don't appreciate.
I agree with this completely, unless Dave Filoni has a incest kink it’s not as if such things have not been implied in Star Wars before cough cough hoth.
Yeah… that actually kills the tiny bit of interest I had in the show (I was gonna check it out after the season ended). You could (and many fanfics did) portray Ezra and Sabine as siblings based on seasons 1 and 2 (especially season 2 since they worked well together and Ezra had dropped the bad flirting attempts), but the last two seasons make that utterly impossible, and that entire sequence is an insult to the characters and the relationship they had in the show.
Ezra and Sabine have no future together. Filoni wants her for himself.
So we go from a stoic, emotionless bunch of characters in Mandalorian S3 with long pauses, vacant staring (if you see their faces at all), and walking, to a bunch of stoic, emotionless bunch of characters with long pauses, staring, and walking in Ahsoka. Yay.
This is duh way.
🤣Watching the Open Bar panel talk review Ahsoka reminded me of the old punchline; 'But really, How was the play Mrs. Lincoln?'
genuinely don't know if you are mocking the show or the commentary. The show is so bad I don't see how it could be anything other than mocking that, but my understanding of that phrase as a non american tends to lean the other way.
@@randomperson8405 Didn't really mean it as a mock of either to be honest. Strictly my interpretation of the quote, as an event so bad that no one can come up with the best way to ask questions or report about it, and yes Ahsoka is so bad, I don't know how anyone can watch it. As for the Drinker and his panel, it just felt like they were trying so hard to present a balanced, honest review of the show and not just a pile on of hate bashing Disney, LucasFilm and Ahsoka.
They really Oprah'd the lightsabers.
"You survive the stab wound!"
"And you survive the stab wound!"
"And you survive the stab wound!"
Could care less for Assoka or anything on D+ these days
So you care some now.
I don't have a problem of Sabine surviving if she got immediate medical attention that Qui-Gon did not. She's a major character in Rebels and Dave isn't going to kill her in the first episode. What trips me out is how fast she healed like she's Wolverine.
I don't know how long the time was between the end of Ep 1 and early Ep 2 but it felt like Sabine healed quickly and with no scarring. Even pregnant women who gets a C-section/cesarean while in labor will get scars. Did Indiana Jones pour holy water on Sabine with the Holy Grail?
My suggestion is Shin should've injured her like hitting her arm, shoulder, or leg just enough that Sabine goes down. I don't like the idea of losing a hand. That's getting way too redundant like the rebellious pupil/failed teacher story. Ahsoka is already copying the find the map story from The Force Awakens.
Sabine got stabbed at her kidney with a lightsaber that went through her back. But it felt all she got was a papercut and she was perfectly fine the next morning with a dab of Vicks VapoRub. WTF, Disney?
the bacta/medical lore has been pretty inconsistent with disney, certainly.
based more on convenience for plot.
That said I would assume based on EU for bacta to have the ability to minimize scarring...
But again. Inconsistent.
The problem was that it is in really poor taste to have a character get stabbed in a seemingly lethal way in the first episode only for it to be totally fine.
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Did anyone else catch how the heck there was a map that lead to Thrawn's location? Like, who made this map? Did Thrawn? How did it get there, and how would anyone know that it would be a necessary item in the future? It seemed like it was just a "thing" they needed to move the story along. Did I miss something?
It makes no sense indeed. Reminds me of that Sith dagger in the sequel trilogy. That was plain stupid too. But there is even a bigger plot hole: why would anyone of the remaining imperials want Thrawn to return? However (highly) respected, no one in the imperial ranks liked him. One would assume that there are plenty of other pretenders to Palpatine's throne for whom Thrawn's absence (stuck in another galaxy!) Would be just what they needed. Why all these efforts to get him out? Mskes no sense to me.
A McGuffin with no hunting for it or work. Very strange.
This will for sure be explained later. Thrawn was banished to a location. The map leads to that location not to thrawn
@@toby7802none of the imperials besides Morgan’s people I guess are trying to bring back Thrawn. Thrawn is return on his own with his own fleet that Ezra banished along with himself to the other galaxy.
Also read above comment
Kyle Katarn is probably the most popular EU character. Thrawn is just the best EU character. Then again basing a character on Alexander The Great, it is hard to go wrong.
Can confirm. I've played like 4 games that has Kyle Katarn as either the main character or a central side character, and I have no idea who Thrawn even is. 😅
Who?
Kyle Katarn is great. That was my biggest problem with Andor: that they took Katarn away and put in Andor
Honestly never heard of Katarn before; very curious, though. Who is he?
@Slipstream317 he's the main character of the Dark Forces games, he later becomes one of Luke Skywalker's first Jedi and a founding member of the new Jedi. I'm pretty sure he's your characters instructor in the Jedi Academy titles and those are awesome games.
Despot is one of my new favorite commentators. I love how much he hates Guy-ladriel lol hilarious content and great takes
As an American I love his accent. I could listen to him talk about anything. Anyone else feel like that?
When they were talking about the comically easy puzzle solving scene, I thought of SWTOR's 'just shock the shit out of the artifact' in the inquisitor questline.
They should have just put one of the questlines into live action and would be a no brainer success. Agent comes to mind. No need to change anything. It was good enough.
Nothing will ever be dumber that Rey holding that knife that pointed to the death star's.... entrance? Or something, I dont rewatch crap. I mean who the hell made a knife that fits with how the crashed death star looks above the water? That was just hilarious...ly bad
cosplayers acting out obscure scenes they imagined their favorite characters having done
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You watched it? You absolute LEGENDS. What incredible pain tolerance!
You misunderstood: i love you like a sister is a Luke Leila reference… :)
He was also about to sacrifice himself so perhaos it was a F**k You to her for blue balling him all those years.
The only question I had was, who is going to feed the cat after Sabine goes off? The cat and the droid were the only good characters.
Ikr
This is the problem. In the books you meet thrawn in the first couple of pages. He is very involved in the empire and running mutiple plans at once. He is not the emperor he is not evil he is cold and ruthless because he sees a bigger threat coming to the galaxy
He was in Rebels plenty
@@MNToThat
This isn’t Rebels. I’m a Rebels fan, but this is NOT Rebels season 5. And even if it was, not introducing Thrawn quickly is not a smart idea.
Cold and ruthless working for fashist Empire is evil.
No please. Let them delay introducing Thrawn for as long as possible. The longer that I can go before Disney character-assassinates Thrawn even more than Rebels did, the longer I can quietly enjoy things before the internet is flooded by normie NPCs who only know this stupid show and base their entire reference for the character from Filoni's Fuckups.
This isn’t heir to the empire
Speaking as someone who has always been very critical of Dave Filoni (and enjoyed a great number of his works), this show really exhibits all of his worst shortcomings when it comes to not only being a storyteller, but a star wars storyteller. The main thing is putting "what would look coolest?" ahead of logical or deeper storytelling.
Every time Hera was on screen with Ahsoka it looked like they were about to start lezzing off 😆
Lmao😂😂😂 would be 1000x better than what we got
Great point about "the count to three" -its like there was a delay in any emotional response.Give compliment 1, 2, 3- character smiles...and the smirking....so much smirking.
I want to remind you all that the story did not matter, cause Palpatine wins in the end.
That’s no excuse for not creating interesting stories before that though? You don’t have to focus on an overarching story to be memorable if you can tell smaller stories well - like how Tells of Ba Sing Se from Avatar: The Last Airbender is technically a breather episode, yet still managed to be one of the most well-liked episodes of an already pristine show.
Why would an assassin droid ever bother fighting when all they have to do is self destruct and kill anyone? And why not have a 1 second count down?
No kidding! 😂
Their mission was to get the ball I thought. That's why they were there searching.
@@BonusCrook okay, mission failed…..boom! Naw, let’s give her a 50 second head start! Jeezus, even the Predator gave Dutch less time to bee line it! 😂
What a pity. Asoka was one of the best characters in the animated Clone Wars and Rebels shows. I was seriously hoping that this show would be great, bringing Asoka and her passion back to the small screen.
I guess Disney fooled me twice. Shame on me.
Ahsoka as the 'unnamed' (non existent) apprentice stole the humanity and action-hero characterization from Anakin, first thing. When he's standing there, like a dufus and she has to be the one to one-up him, dropping stone henge on the battle droids which he allowed to walk up on him.
Anakin became a guest star on his own show, in that moment.
Add to which that Ahsoka is the one who is flatly _evil_.
Taking chances which force others to rescue her from her own stupidity, asserting authority in situations (Y-wing attack) where she clearly has no clue what she's doing, gettting multiple clone pilots killed and then waxing philosophical about how this was a 'learning experience' for her and how dare anyone stop her from doing it again.
Before, ORDERING Anakin, who is about to go running back into the bowels of the ship, to not go because this is irresponsible.
She is a glory hound who is completely lacking in ability to offset her ego. And who is given 'specialness' because of what is between her legs, without recognition that testosterone is a male mood stabilizing hormone for a reason: we are the built-for-it warriors who do what we do, aggressively, because women cannot.
They lack the strength. They lack the wisdom to know right from wrong. They lack the cognitive prowess as eternal adolescents trapped in a teenaged body which averages 5'4" tall and (in the healthy versions) is under 100lbs.
Ahsoka is symptomatic of an effeminized society in which women want to be men but refuse to acknowledge what estrogen has done to them, physically and mentally, to take them down another path.
And the sad part is, they are so lacking in imagination and self-awareness that women don't realize they are not 'proving something' by taking over a male heroic fantasy. They are simply showing how little creative spark they have in wanting what the boys have and then ruining it. Because they cannot generate their own fictional environment where they can Barbie-be-kewl follow a totally fictional set of in-universe rules.
It's as though they know they completely lack any legitimacy in their ideation of how it should all be a girl-world and so simply exist to lamprey themselves onto better, more balanced, existence of all male drama. So as to maintain the pretense of it's achieved dramatic presentation.
While not acknowledging how they are sucking the soul out of it with the poison of their own character-insert wannabe lead envy.
This is stupid, if for no other reason than that no female is ever going to be asked to go off to war and take the risks a soldier does and thus women do not need nor deserve a heroic fantasy around which to build the ego of a sacrificial protector gender.
Ahsoka is heart of the problem. And always has been. She cannot exist on her own, fighting her own gender, she only enjoys success in destroying that which women, clearly, _hate_ with an unending envy that wants to be what they seek to destroy: male.
@@xyz-hj6ulYou forgot to take your autism pills and take a shower. Again. For 3 whole weeks.
@@xyz-hj6ul I'm sorry...did you want me to read through your dissertation? 🤔🥱
Yeah...I've got better things to.😴
Learn to keep it tight and on point.👈
@@xyz-hj6ulwtf just happened?
@@xyz-hj6ulwhat are you on about man
It drives me nuts seeing how many people have been lured by the lights and glamour of the show, rather than the substance.
Another show with no consequences- no real tension.
Jangling keys, it's all they can do, expect to see cameos toward the end like Kenobi to keep what little of the fanbase they have left hooked
@@mickeymao7145
Exactly.
When I watched Andor, my eyes were glued to each scene and every bit of dialogue seemed substantial. I wouldn’t dare look at my phone, thinking I’d miss an interesting bit of information or additional clever character development.
This show, along with Mando, Boba Fett, etc feel exhausting to watch. I could openly leave at any point without feeling compelled to watch anything I missed.
Tension building, character building, interesting dialogue, beautiful set designs, smart, unique plot- are all essential for a series to be successful. You’d think, with all the money and talent available to Disney, they could muster up better content.
Spot on. It was pretty, period.
@@Seldz1 True, unfortunately they just don't have the right people working on these shows, they spent over 200 million on Secret Invasion and it was terrible 🙄
@@mickeymao7145
Ugh- don’t get me started with the Marvel shows. Utter garbage….
Giant waste of time
If they made Ashokas character ‘stoic’, they didn’t watch their own series. She’s basically female Anakin.
I think its just Feloni's lack of directing chops tbh
@@MNToThat💯💯
Ahsoka has gotten stoic over time. Just watch s1 cw, s7 cw, s2 rebels
This is something that a lot of low budget horror directors need to learn too. Long shots of people walking around while nothing happens do not build suspense. They just bore the audience. No, laying the music on really thick will not fix this
After watching Clone Wars around 4 years ago I was in absolute love with this character. If someone told me she would get her live action show I would've shat myself from happines. But somehow, in these few years Disney managed to annihilate Star Wars so badly that I genuinely don't care to watch even a single minute of this show. Truly an incredible achievement, to produce such prolific cinematic excrement with such consistency, for so long.
@shockedup2591 its about as good as prequels but with more character i think
@shockedup2591
It certainly is an entry drug into the franchise for kids and as such it required a certain level of corny infantilism. That part was done well enough.
But any closer inspection reveals it's indeed just a pile of fanfiction held together by a lot of duct tape.
Clonewars is atleast a million times better than this trash. I'd watch it in a heartbeat.
@shockedup2591 I said i loved the character not the show. Im not really interested in arguing about shows quality because its quality has been rendered redundant by insidious sludge Disney has leaked out of their anal cavities. I compared it with prequels cause then everyone can basically go based of their opinion on prequels which saves a lot of arguing time. I personally though show had sporadic banger arcs and the rest of the time it was mostly filler and mediocrity. Seasons 1 and 2 were dreadful though. It is infinitely better than DIsney stuff though if only because it doesnt hate its audience, it doesnt try to show fringe ideological ideasa down my throats and most importantly doesnt fuck with the OT in any more than what prequels already did.
BTW... When Ahsoka was doing the Indiana Jones bit while trying to get the space ball in the first episode, I couldn't help but think about Eddie Murphy in "The Golden Child," in his quest for the Ajanti Dagger, record scratching with the columns while rapping "I... uh I... uh I... uh I... want the knife!" 😂🤣
I’m noticing there’s a pretty big gap in how two groups of people see the series, those of us who watched Star Wars rebels generally like it so far, the people who didn’t watch Star Wars rebels generally don’t like it, my conclusion is that the show shot itself in the foot by being live-action and trying to draw in people who had no idea what was going on because they didn’t watch rebels.
Rebels wasn’t that good, it was okay better than the new trilogy
I loved Rebels, and I’m probably one of the new show’s biggest critics.
This show drawing from Rebels, of all possible content, is a separate problem.
Kinda like making a _seemingly normal_ Warhammer TV show and base most of it on some cringey IP from Warhammer Kids, that somehow was allowed to include Yarrick.
That sounds like a fair assessment ,
the biggest problem with the show is that it doesn't work as a standalone , for the common viewer.
They pulled a Marvels, which isn’t great since not everyone watched Rebels
Inviting imperials on your ship: dumb.
Training someone not force sesitive as a jedi: dumb.
Leaving a unique map in the hands of an unpredictable young lady: dumb.
Ahsoka not being able to open the map whilst having all the tools and knowledge herself: dumb.
An eons old map leading to a person only recently banished to another galaxy: dumb.
Survival of stabbing with a light saber in the abdomen: dumb.
Trying to bring Thrawn back knowing he's stuck in another galaxy: dumb.
Droids taking ages to self destruct (and announcing they will): dumb.
Taking out droids from beneath, only to be confronted by them again later: dumb.
“Just give us quality content”
Picard S3: Make it so!
Star Wars: Nah it’ll be fine!
We needed the wisdom of a Jedi to solve the equivalent of a Resident Evil slider puzzle.
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I have been a Star Wars fan since the 90s. Old School. Ahsoka's mere existence undermines Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Yoda, Obi Wan.... the list goes on. Just on this show, Filoni has undermined Luke and Leia. Filoni can only write plot holes into the story which he then retcons, only to create more plot holes. Fact of the matter is that his stuff is mediocre at best. Star Wars going down in quality has three names: JJ, Filoni and KK. No other way around it.
Filoni, JJ, and Kennedy are the worst
@@chasehedges6775 Honestly they have destroyed Star Wars. Imagine how compelling it would have been to have Leia being hurt in the first episode (NO STABBING OF COURSE). This is a story that was meant for Luke and Leia. In fact we go to Corellia, Han's homeworld... and he is nowhere.
I have seen people defending this as: "Ahsoka is the greatest!" or "Sabine survived because Shin missed vital organs", or my personal best "Luke, Leia and Han are not there because Harrison Ford would have requested millions".
GEE.... At this point I feel Filoni has created a cult.
That would be hilarious is there is more heat between Ezra and Sabine in a children’s show vs. live action Star Wars.
The dialogue improved significantly in episode 2 vs. episode 1 (though very low bar). They had a main female character fail at something, the new republic shipyard conversation was actually really interesting and well done (granted it was serving to address the massive break to the universe JJ gave us with the sequel title crawl), and they speed ran the map fetch quest instead of making it the entire plot of the show. I've never been particularly impressed by Filoni but he only directed the first two episodes so I'm honestly looking forward to see what the other directors can do. By Disney Star Wars standards, this still has a chance to be ok.
I didn't hate the first two episodes but I am not very enthusiastic about them. I like them less the more I think about it.
One thing I don't quite understand---are they saying Sabine is a force-user now, or did Ahsoka decide to train her because she absconded with Ezra's lightsaber? I actually don't mind the idea that Ahsoka would train her in lightsaber combat since she and Sabine were supposed to be teamed up over X amount of time searching for Ezra. But naming her a padawan and Sabine having force abilities that were not at all hinted at in Rebels? No. Besides, as a Mandalorian, she doesn't *need* force abilities to go toe-to-toe with a force-wielding foe. As stated in Rebels, Mandalorian armor and gadgets were pretty much custom made to fight Jedi. Speaking of which, why wasn't she wearing her armor as we saw her doing 99% of her screen time in Rebels? Of course, we need a bad ass "hero's journey" moment where she gets it out of a dusty storage bin like she hasn't worn it in years. Kind of a dumbass move...she should have been wearing it when she laid her speeder bike down just to prove to us she's a female honey badger, let alone when she needlessly got roped into a fistfight with droids and a lightsaber duel with a force-user...could have actually put up a decent fight and even if she got stabbed with the saber, it would have glanced off her beskar and given her a bitching (and believably survivable) side wound. But no, we get another Star Wars girl boss that shrugs off a back-alley tubal ligation.
As Huyang said, her aptitude for the force falls short of every padawan he’s ever seen.
Also, Sabine hasn’t worn her armor in years. She’s obviously quit her training, they weren’t looking for Ezra cause they thought he was dead until now, so she has had no need to wear her armor.
The reason she has it on 99% of the time is rebels is actually very simple. Same reason every character wears the same clothes all the time. You see this in cartoons all the time
@@oXRaptorzXo I get the animation budgeting thing, sure, but live action shows back up my point of view---what Mandalorian in the Mandalorian, even ones *NOT* part of the Children of the Watch, were ever seen outside their armor, even when sitting at leisure? For the sake of argument, let's say she only wears it when she knows she's going into combat, and hasn't done that for years...okay. She just got jumped by two droids at the top of a big-ass communications tower/efficiency apartment and the last droid stole the Macguffin and beat her to the elevator. She should at least have thrown on her helmet and the jetpack (which, I'd imagine, involves also wearing the torso armor).
And as far as Huyang's statement, I'd wager this is simply a reference to her lack of training, not any statement about her innate force ability. I doubt she'll be played up as particularly powerful---I think they had to have learned *something* from Rey the Mary Sue---but I'd wager she's not going to be portrayed as having only one or two midichlorians rolling around in her innards, either.
@@valecrassus7835 Sabine hasn’t been in a battle for years, yeah, that’s why she isn’t wearing her armor. She’s not exactly a strict religious mando. And after being attacked by the droids, again, it takes time to put on armor. Attaching the jetpack requires the chest plate to be attached (does she even have a jetpack? I forgot), and the helmet, sure she could’ve put it on but it wouldn’t do anything except make her vision less clear really.
Huyang said her “aptitude for the force would fall short of them all,” so take that how you wish
@@oXRaptorzXo She's in pursuit of a droid ostensibly fleeing with an All Important MacGuffin(tm). The character would have known it was worth a full minute or more to strap on the armor and then pursue, even if the droid had hopped a speeder bike the instant it hit ground level. Instead, she spends time fishing a lightsaber she out of a box sitting *right* in front of her armor and helmet, stares meaningfully at it for a long few seconds, then charges out of the SAME elevator the droid took. If the droid bothered smashing everything on her table and planned on getting away (which she DOES notice---she spends a long moment looking at the table before digging in a closed box for the lightsaber), she would certainly figure there's a very good chance would have trashed her speeder bike if it was parked downstairs. So...jetpack good.
Yes, she has a jetpack. Acquired sometime in season 3 of Rebels.
Mandalorian helmets don't negatively affect Mandalorians. I cannot see any real reasoning that would justify, even in the heat of the moment, NOT putting on armor that can stop blasters, lightsabers, and can fly in favor of running out the door with nothing but a melee weapon she hasn't been practicing with.
It was a resoundingly stupid move and rather out of character at that.
@@valecrassus7835 the enemy ship wasn’t far away. In the minute it would take Shin would’ve just left and gotten away. And no obviously the helmet is good but it’s not really helpful if you don’t have the rest of the armor. She still would’ve been stabbed all the same and if anything the helmet limits vision.
The female characters were better in the cartoon sad vey sad.
Ezra and Sabine's relationship was maybe a step away from what we got from Cal and Merrin. Theyre subtly rewriting the characters
Holy hell, those first two episodes were a trudge to get through. Honestly, I feel like my biggest issue with Ahsoka (and the majority of the newer Disney Star Wars shows) is the abysmal pacing. Like, scenes that can't reasonably justify lasting more than 30 seconds go on for like 5 minutes -- for example, the scene where Sabine is racing away from the ceremony. Why was that like 4 minutes when the only thing that did to progress the plot was let us know she wasn't going? Mandalorian season 3 suffered this same issue of insane bloat, and the only reason I can think of that they're doing that to the show is to just fill minutes.
I feel like the last three projects Filoni has been on (Mando, Boba Fett, and now Ahsoka) have been horrendously slow/bloating/boring and the stakes are mostly non-existent. Not sure what's going on with him but his live action shows mostly feel like a waste of time.
Also, wouldn't getting stabbed by a lightsaber boil your insides???
Yea couldn't get through ep 2
Yep, it's a joyless slog like Mando season 3, I won't be inflicting any more Diznee Star Wars on myself from here on in
Filoni didn’t make mando or boba Fett. He did like one episode of each I believe and they were both the best of their shows
FINALLY some reviewers start calling out how Filoni is NOT a genius who can save Lucasfilm and Star Wars! The guy has become too self indulgently obsessive with his characters. Without other good writers and directors to keep him in check while trying to do live action, he will ruin what good work he did in animation.
Three big problems for me.
1) Another MacGuffin to find someone that doesn’t want to be found. Didn’t work in TLJ, still doesn’t work here.
2) The MacGuffin is just copy paste Treasure Planet.
3) Another person survived being stabbed through with a lightsaber.
Translation in Mauler: McMuffin
Thrawn does want to be found though. And the map is leading to a location. Not to him.
@@oXRaptorzXo You could easily say the same thing about Luke in TLJ.
@@pftburchell5197 No. Luke doesn’t want to be found and he definitely didn’t make a map to himself. And his location, while apparently some old Jedi structure, has no relevance to anything and there’s no reason there hold be a map to there, and there’s no way they would know Luke is on that planet.
@@oXRaptorzXo He says he doesn’t want to be found but that’s just part of the bad writing. They went looking for the map, to find Luke. I’m sorry but this MacGuffin thing is just dumb.
I didn't understand the General. She was pretty young for a general but I get that. What i didn't understand was one: how does she not understand top secret(being a general does not automatically make you have clearance to view anything and everything) two: where is her staff? Generals are very active people. They have an unbelievable amount of responsibility and will rarely if ever be seen without their staff with them. They will never be seen without a security detail unless that detail is hiding but will still be close by. I know it seems small but it totally threw me off.
Because these modern-day writers don't understand military structure or chain of command.
Getting stabbed through with a light saber and surviving is more of a cliché than death star super weapons in Star Wars at this point.
The entire two episode pilot consisted of direct or inverted homages to the previous movies. A dark force user sending small probe droids out on a barren landscape (TPM). Villains rescuing their leader by boarding a vessel (ANH inversion). Dark force villain assaulting good guys relentlessly on a their ship (RO). Opening scene of Rebels, but with Sabine driving down the street. Looking for a map like the sequels. Dreamy voices (TFA).
What happened to the twi'lek's son? She ended Rebels with a child, the parting gift of her husband that she loved dearly. I guess they cannot show a woman being motherly though because that would require Disney showing a traditional gender role and we cannot have that.
Based on leaked Lego set from the series, Hera’s son will appear eventually
Heras son is 100% confirmed to be in the show but go off 😂
Man, this stings because I'm actually a huge fan of TCW and even Ahsoka herself was a favorite of mine (yes, her existance kinda fucks the canon, but they eventually won me over with good character writing) Sad to hear Filoni lost his touch, though honestly I don't think anyone would be capable of saving Disney Wars.
Only way I'd be hopeful would be if they sold the rights to someone else, who then decided to declare all the Disney content non-canon.
“Testrogen” IM DEAD AZ 😂😂😂
Didn't I recently see a ludicrous 9-inch tall fluffy toy in combat with serious looking warrior in a clip of something describing itself as a 'Star Wars derivative'.
I tried watching this with my niece who's 14 and she didn't like it at all, I never watched Rebels but she has and she basically said it was too boring and none of the characters act like they did in the cartoon.
So who's this show for again?
Same my 14 yr old son was checked out. Couldn't get through ep 2
So compelling when characters just stand....and stare....at various things....for minutes on end.
I find it funny that live action Star Wars have problem with showing us relationships, while video games (Jedi Survivor) gives us a great romance between Cal Kestis and Merrin - my favourite couple in the franchise.
Maybe because the games can get delisted once EA no longer wants to use the license.
"It was mediocre."
So every Dave Filoni project ever. So why is anyone surprised that he's a hack?
Maybe Disney can make a rerun of the Honey Mooners for the modern audiences.
It’s the Despot! 😂 The Mad Lad is here, I hope he does a great video on the A$$oka Dismay (Disney) disaster!
Dave Filoni is a male feminist I'm sure there's some creepy things about him.
I love Star Wars Rebels, my own pet Peak Star Wars (after Empire). I really, really want Ahsoka, the series, to be as well-written as Rebels. The animated females in Rebels were so beautifully balanced: vulnerable, likeable and good-hearted, but strong, while never man-hating.
I love you guys, but I swear it sounds like an echo chamber. Maybe find someone that you can bounce off of that might actually have some disagreement with you guys?
It's not debate, it's just six folks patting each other on the back for sharing the same opinion.
This, I was waiting for them to start kissing each other
I fast forward the episode and Rosario dawson was just standing around with her arms crossed
I will say the droid is probably the only one who could’ve identified the lightsabers bc he was there when they were all made. The empire would’ve seized/destroyed the Jedi records
Sabine was very emotional in Rebels but her issue was that she was cagey and closed-off. I didn’t mind her portrayal as much as the others. I kind of didn’t like her being portrayed as a brat. She’s 30 here. She shouldn’t be ducking out of ceremonies and trying to crash her speeder into an E-Wing. Also, Sabine has been dealing with other shit since Rebels with Mandalore being destroyed, though for some reason that hasn’t come up at all. However, Sabine being listless and kind of depressed at this point in her life does make sense.
Hera is going to be difficult without Kanan to balance her out. I would like to see the show lean into her loneliness and sense of isolation. I know she has a son but it’s not the same as a partner. We know that Hera was as emotionally dependent on Kanan as he was on her and we know from the books that she hadn’t re-married or gotten into other serious relationships.
I’m wondering now where they plan to take Ahsoka? She’s dealt with her youthful impetuousness, Order 66 and Anakin’s betrayal. I’m not sure what other psychological battles she has left to fight? Ahsoka has never been aloof by nature. She’s not Han Solo; she connects with people wherever she goes.
Well your questions are most likely ever going to be answered...
I’d love for them to find Thrawn and they hand him the keys to the empire only to throw them over his shoulder… so they can focus on the new girl sith instead.
That would actually be brilliant satire. I mean if they’re going to just treat Star Wars like a joke, go all the way…
"Teeeeeell meeee, wheeeeeereee iiiiiis Graaaand Aaaaaadmiiiiraaaal Thraaaaaawwwwn, fooooor Iiii soooo waaaaant toooooo fiiiiiiind Eeeeeeezraaaaa...."
- Delivered in the slowest Celeborn-like voice ever, I mean, geez weez the pace was slooooooooooooooow.
We're done pretending Dave was ever any good right?
i loved Rogue One… the robot wasn’t the only one with engaging personality
Stonic robots doing interpretive dance with glow sticks
I like to sum up Disney Star Wars as partaking in a mass collection of side quests and miscellaneous events while never finishing the main story.