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okay bvs didn't make billion dollar. sucide squad 2016 was bad. wonder woman movie is good but sequel was very disaster. josstice league is REALLY bad movie. bird of prey bad. the sucide squad same hbo max and theatre was flop. black adam was bad i'm done with dceu. fuck you dc fans. thank you for help dceu need money but you didn't help. you want to snyderverse was too late
Personally, I enjoyed MoS and the Snyder Cut versions of BvS and Justice League, but pretty much all of the other movies from Birds of Prey onward were mostly just shit
@@storm_fling1062this one. Was gonna say the same thing. Endgame was the finish line. They just decided to run another 200m and broke their shins by doing so
@@atius8571 I mean actual art isn't art these days. It's more a perspective. You're right in that it's not art art. But how endgame and infinity war brought people together for something. To me that's the art
I think Warner Bros is better off making standalone DC movies within their own continuity instead of trying to be a dollar store Marvel. There should be movies like The Batman and Joker where they give their directors lots of creative freedom without the worry of connecting it to a bigger universe because that's just way too hard
I think DC needs to take a huge break from making movies and James Gunn need to put his universe on hold superhero movies lately . Has really been falling off the MCU went from the green light to yellow light and DC red light just broke
@@DomingoCa-r3oYou're right. DC had been making individual movies for years, and those movies did a lot more for the box office and audience retention than anything the DCEU has. So, really they should go back to what was making them successful and not blockbuster jokes
@@mgmboy3778 lmao right. Theres reason why DC does better on small screen while Marvel been dominating the big screen over DC. Im sure snyderverse cult people cannot figure out why that is. Lol
The Batman and Joker are safe bets for WB. They're just trying to copy the success of the Dark Knight trilogy by making films that are dark and gritty, grounded, and self contained. There was no risk involved in putting these movies out. I'd rather have a definitive version of the DC cinematic universe that is properly planned out. They need to take the time to actually lay the foundation.
Say anything about wokeness, but this time around, wokeness has nothing to do with DC's downfall. The brand has been torn apart from bad executives, bad movie releases (like BvS and Justice League), keeping scumbags working for them (like Ezra and Amber), and many others. Top this weak reputation for DC brand with Hamada's weird decision to put obscure characters on big screen. The final result is a complete disaster. And now James Gunn is forced to pick up the remaning pieces, dealing with things he had minimum control of.
At the end of the day, Hollywood's "wokeness" isn't really that politically motivated, is just a marketing strategy made as cold and calculated as the shared-universe business model by the same producers, or investors really...
I don't think that is a mistake. Billy is mature because he's conflicted with the world that he's living, he's a kid who have been in a lot of foster homes with stricked rules that he has to follow. Whereas as Shazam, he's free to do whatever he wants. He released his inner child in Shazam because he has powers that he's capable of doing basically anything. He felt too perfect and doesn't have to worry about anything as Shazam unlike he did when he was just Billy. He can't purchase beers because he's way too young but he can as Shazam which makes him immature enough for sure but make sense since he doesn't have to worry about anything. At least that's how I see it
I was hugely interested in and invested in Cavill, Affleck as Superman and Batman and the core DCEU characters in ZSJL...yes, some people didn't like them or those films, but that's fine - it's subjective. The entire problem was self-made by Warner Bros from 2016 - the sheer amount of studio meddling ruined so much.
It's hilarious how Snyder's haters use the term 'Snyderverse' a lot more than his fans, acting as if he was given a free hand in how he managed 'his' movie universe, and how basically one single man somehow ruined an entire movie universe more than the corporate overlords making one bad decision after another.
@@badman_iiixiii Couldn't agree more. Saying Zack destroyed DC or the DCEU or was responsible etc is utterly ridiculous. He wasn't involved since 2017 when the execs reshot about 80% of JL because they are morally corrupt morons. True "Snyderverse" is from 2013 to 2017 MAX. The same characters and actors appeared in other films, but they are usually so far from what they originally were character-wise is immense.
@@petriew2018 Calling someone "obnoxious" because they like film A or specific character iterations is wild. Who is "most"? People online I'm guessing. I've also seen a number of people online who like them too & spoken to people IRL who liked them too. The films were financially successful - especially compared to the woeful newer DC films' performance.
@@Kal_El1994 no, i'm calling them obnoxious because of the way they so forcefully flood a comment section with utter bullshit because they can't accept the reality that they like bad movies.. Snyderlings are some of the most toxic and obnoxious idiots i've ever seen infest the internet, because they can't even make a coherent case as to why they like the thing they like, they just thing it's cool because edgy. You're saying things that are untrue because you want to hear them but nobody with a brain will say them outloud.... because they're fantasies. The critical, general, and financial reception for the Snyderverse was a massive disaapointment for WB. They were not successful, that's why he was fired.
DCU hasn’t really technically started Flash, aqua man 2, Shazam, we’re out of James gunns control His first chapter of Gods And Monsters starts with creature commandos which is one of James gunns creations
It really infuriates me that people blame what was Batman V. Superman on Zack Snyder alone. This film had a lot of studio interference, and wasn't even Zack Snyder's plan. There was going to be a Batman solo film, and other things building up to this. But Warner Bros wanted a "Avengers-level" film too soon without setting up the characters. Even Superman's character arc wasn't finished. He was going to become the Superman we all know and love, but the development and growth of him would take time. Zack Snyder was doing a masterpiece. But studio interference ruined it for him.
Since Snyder's departure in 2017, things have only gotten worse. It's obvious he was never the problem, but people are blatantly ignoring all the facts because of their blatant bias against him. These are the same people that said "the Snyder Cut doesn't exist," but once AT&T forced WB to release it on HBO MAX to a warm reception the narrative shifted to, "he obviously changed the movie after he saw the reaction to Josstice League," even though Snyder himself confirmed he's never even seen that version of the movie. All one has to do is compare Stepphenwolf's overall character design and story arc in Josstice League to the Snyder Cut, and that pretty much sums up everything he had to deal with at WB.
@@miketheninja13 It all marvel bots bro that was bashing snyder and still are now even tho snyder left in 2016 and they have had 13 films under different directors since and evey single one of them are flopps and they try to blame snyder lmao The marvel bots was scared that Snyder's universe was better than marvel woke shit
Snyder shills are a embarssment to the society bvs was one of the worst movies of all time where lex luthor trynna pin superman on murder of some village folks who has bullets inside their bodies .improve ur taste kid .
@@miketheninja13snyder was the problem .so was hamada .snyder ruined every character he worked means all th A listers while hamada had no plan to what to go from there
DCEU: the boy who fails copying homework, poorly MCU: the boy who gets away with doing his own homework, before eventually burning out and not caring anymore
Zack Snyder DID destroy the DCEU. He started everything on "gritty" Superman and then went into "gritty" BvS. These stories are good as CRITIQUES of Superman, NOT as the FOUNDATION.
DC 2023 sucks, but James Gunn had little control over that. Just like a new CEO coming in to revive a dying business, they still has to deal w/ the garbage that was left over from the idiot before It may be that Gunn's DCU _will_ suck, but we haven't SEEN anything from it yet. All of what we've seen is leftover from Snyder and Walter Hamada (who doesn't get named often enough for the damage he caused).
@@ajaxmaxbitch no zack has talent for pictures and action pieces but O as a storyteller .it makes lot sense when u get to know that he was a music video director before
I think you left out a big point in DC. Superman killing was a red flag to many. When batman came out I asked does batman kill. Yes he does. At that point I knew DC had no place for my time or money. We dont need shock value as consumers. Just a good story.
I’ll never understand this complaint. Either Zod dies or innocent people do. He made that very clear “I’m going to make them SUFFER, Kal.” “Why didn’t he take Zod to space?” How long do you think he could keep that up for?
@@Arander92 so people die, you deal with it, trauma, become stronger. Breaking your values or code once makes a slippery slope to break more. Even if I justify superman, fine. What was batman excuse in the following movie? And how do you tell your young nephews on Halloween batman kills? Look on tv.
And what do these have in common? No universe. I don't get, why the "universe" is so important. MCU have one time good run with it, not denying that, right place, right time, right (and at that time original) product. Now they are collapsing to and instead of get rid of it, they multiply it to multiverse. DCEU with it's overblowed emphasis on universe skipping solo movies and ... well you know. I agree with you, I like SS2021 too, it was fresh and clean, with no tyups. Yes, there were repeating actors, but not to tie plot to some DCEU, just to be themselves in crazy scenario. The only one movie, where Margot Harley works (for me).
@@Vor567tezthen it doesn’t sound like the superhero genre is going nowhere does it 😉 Still though I think we need more original and mid-budget films rather than just franchises and universes.
I remember when Ezra Miller was choking out random female fans and everyone was like, "I dunno WB... Maybe you should just scrap this entire Flash movie or put it straight on streaming and cut your losses now." And David Zaslov and James Gunn were all like, "Nah! It'll be fine! This one's actually good! It's worth putting up with Ezra Miller for. You'll see!" And then the movie came out and performed worse than Morbius. Everyone remember that? I remember that.
Unfortunately for them, they couldn't Batgirl the Flash Movie. The Wokite cultist in Hollyweird who think crossdressers are secular saints would NEVER have allowed it.
Except James Gunn never said that. He did (which is baffling indeed 😆) say The Flash was good, but he never said it was worth putting up with Ezra for it. It was too late to scrap it bro if you compare to Batgirl. I don’t think they had a choice from a business perspective…
Visually speaking Cavil looked amazing as Superman, I loved the suit design, and he did give it his best despite the godawful writing/direction he had to work with. But tragically every single DCU movie with Superman has sucked ass, and that includes Man Of Steel.
@@xuvial1391 i mean was that cabills fault in the end? The only part i'd say was bad on cavills part was the cgi mustache removal. The story was bad because superman killed one of his big bads(zod) in his first encounter and first appearance as superman. Didnt help that superman was placed into this wierd role of godlike instead of down to earth guy with godlike abilities. Plus his second appearance was to be foil to batman who got fast track development and was made into a criminal branding psycho instead of a mentally obsessive man who wont let go of the past or soemthing closer to batman's character
Forget a disaster. A disaster draws attention. I can't remember most of the movies that DC has made. I remember the movie they cancelled more because it was funny that they said, "you know, we can actually make more money not trying."
Maybe Superhero movies being no longer mainstream is a good thing. They don't have to cater to mainstream audiences and can focus on what the fans like and be more niche.
The Suicide Squad (2021) is the best DCU movie. Great writing, compelling characters, has the right balance of comedy, drama and action, and great acting. However, it’s basically a stand alone movie that doesn’t contribute to a cinematic universe. Black Adam could have been great if they took more time to develop the other characters such as Dr. Fate, Hawkman, and Atom Smasher. Instead they all were shoved in without explaining their backstories, and *spoilers* they all die anyways. But I really think it could have been a great movie series.
I honestly think Superman Legacy is going to end up being the most overhyped movie since Black Panther I don’t get why WB think directors who made a couple Marvel films are the end all be all
Honestly I think DC should stick to their animated universe. It is clearly their strong side (Stronger than even Marvel). The DCAMU was absolute perfection and almost every movie paid off. Super underrated.
They just used the characters how they should be; similar to their comic coutnerparts while being down to earth enough to relate to common audiences. DCEU spat in fan's faces right away by making a "darker" theme which just meant that i guess superman just straight murders people in his first battle and batman brands criminals making him more psychotic than heroic making people not see him as a hero, the only character that seems slightly heroic is wonderwoman since cyborg doesnt want to be there, aquaman barely seems to want to be there, and flash is acting more like spiderman than barry allen
Yes, and no. It would only work if they expect the actor who plays Black Adam to play himself. If they expect him to play the actual character, they would be certain to be disappointed.
The thing which baffles me the most is that they failed to take lessons from their faliures... like you expect them to do right things after justice league's disaster but no they continued to screw themselves over and over again with dumb decisions one after another, and they fired Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck but kept Erza Miller.... I can never understand what goes into their heads
Partly they can't learn because they can't admit personal fault for canceling the Snyderverse DCEU for the Josstice League. The other part is they're listening to shills and liars like this commentor that is pretending that the Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man 2 were better and more profitable than the first 4 films of the DCEU. They weren't. DC management ignored fans and didn't understand their box office was growing. Then they reversed course 3 times at least and lost more money each time. The GunnVerse will also fail too because the fanbase is split even worse than Star Wars and some of tbe same greedy idiots are still in charge.
@@kylehicks9018Yeah for real! I didn't watched any DC movies since they fired Henry and Affleck, It feels like they slapped their fans and spit on them
Whatever did people expect? His take on the character was so out of left field it practically fell off the edge of the planet. Then again, he WAS only as good as the script he was given.
the crazy thing is that Snyder was the PERFECT director to make Watchmen because he has always said he loves to make Superheroes into real people. In an interview he literally said he wanted to do that to Superman and that is why Superman kills Zod and Batman kills people. He never wanted to bring those characters to the screen, he wanted to change them to fit into his own view of them. Glad he is gone making movies on Netflix that are garbage.
The problem with DCU is mismanagement. I always got an impression that they didnt want to push superman and batman foward. It was as if they were deliberately stagnating them. Man of steel, was a decent take on superman. Sure there were problems, but a proper sequel could have handled ths. Ben afleck too played the character well. As a broken batman( more broken than usual), there was an opportunity for the heroes journey. It was so simple, but they had to try to copy the mcu. DC is dark , make those films as they should be.
the problem is 'dark' doesn't sell to the general audience. Even the Burton films, dark as they were, were campy dark.... not warhammer 40k dark.... This is the problem DC and WB never could wrap their heads around. If you want Marvel money, yeah, you need to lighten it up and sell a more cartoon-y version of the heros than the comic book versions, because that's what sells to families. Snyder's biggest mistake was leaning too hard into the edgiest of possible comic book interpretations just to not be Marvel.... when WB wanted Marvel's box office. This left them stuck between the two, the existing grimdark superman that wasn't selling to the normies, and the obnoxiously loud snyder cultist who wanted it even darker.... and they simply refused to make a choice.
Ben was a good Batman, not a good Bruce. Which wouldn't normally be a problem, if he wasn't walking around as Bruce for the majority of his screentime across movies
@@petriew2018 true, but dark it should be. Obviously going warhammer 40k wouldnt work for dc. They tried that with the animation: justice league apocalypse war. The heroes got mutilated in old anime fashion. Too dark. The balance needs to be there, in a crafty way.
@@temwananinkana3419 they need to keep the characters and themes.... but, honestly, stop listening to the comics fans so much. 'dark', love it or hate it, will not work if you want the same kind of mainstream success Marvel once enjoyed. If the comics fans want big budget movies of their favorite heroes, they kind of need to make peace with the best their going to get is the mainline animate versions, because anything else will not work for the studio's bottom line, which in the end rules everything. Nolan was pushing what you can get away with for mainstream success, but even that wouldn't have sustained an extended franchise. This, honestly, is why i think Snyder was such a massive mistake. I will admit to having enjoyed some Snyder movies, he's not a man without talent, but he is not a man who understands what it takes to truly be 'main stream'. His vision for superman was the complete opposite of what WB needed to actually launch a franchise.
@@petriew2018 his biggest problem was arrogance. He refused to capture the spirit of the characters. In addition to this, i will emphasize, the dcu was mismanaged. Fine goin too dark may not be the way to go, but at least pick a lane a stick with it. They mixed dark tones, serious social commentary and the light heart humour you would expect in a spiderman film. Right ingredients individually but not in the same dish in the propotions they dished out.
No I think there really is superhero fatigue. People no longer give serious fucks about the CBM genre. But I still believe people might show up for the A list characters. (superman etc)
@jude_I lol no, ppl who like comic books never went to see these shit movies in the first place. Iron man 2 crap Iron man 3 crap Dr strange crap all the Thor movies crap endgame pure dogshit all the Tom Holland Spiderman movies are shit too
The Suicide Squad, directed by James Gunn, is the best DCEU movie ever made. Not a high bar, true, but it was a genuinely great movie. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 was one of the few superhero movies that has recently come out to get a solid positive critical reception as well as making a decent profit in the box office, and that's with a 250 million dollar budget. Again, that was also directed by James Gunn. I don't think people are suffering from "super hero fatigue" I think people are suffering from shitty movie fatigue. As long as James Gunn does what he's been doing and makes good movies then I think DCU can have a chance and superhero movies might even get second wind.
It's true about Superman not being a lucrative film franchise. MOS made only 40 million and SR broke even. That WBD is launching the DCU with a Superman film is inexplicable. The consensus is that it will lose money. John Campea is predicting it will be a financial flop, yet he wants it released first?! He did a vid last week pushing back at speculation SL could be delayed for several years. That is exactly what should happen. Launch with their strongest film IP - Batman. Let the DCU build up good will and then do a Superman film. And bring in someone other than Gunn to write and direct it. His SL is going to esentially be an ensemble film featuring Lois and Clark. No wonder most believe it will bomb. The strike gives Zaslav the cover to scale back/change Gunn's plans. If Aquaman 2 does poorly watch for big changes to the DCU.
Coming to Zack Snyder's defense, Man of Steel was a pretty good movie. Batman V Superman seems like a movie studio execs demanded in order to bridge Man of Steel to Justice League in just one movie. If they turned the story into 2 or 3 movies, it could have been better. And if you've seen Zack Snyder's version of Justice League, you know he's not to blame for what we got in theatres. I don't believe Zack Snyder killed the DCEU. I think the Warner Bros executives did.
@@TheYodelingViking The inciting incident of Superman's life is his dad basically giving up on life to die in a tornado superman could have saved him from, except for the fact that his father also taught him to value hiding his powers over human life.... even his own father's life....
ok then why blame him for movies that other people are making? its not his fault everything post shazam 1 starting failing esp when he had already started working at Netflix
@@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386He ruined Superman and that is entirely on him. Make batman gritty no problem but Superman should be a positive movie. Dwelve more into his humanity. More into the boy who grew up on a farm without trauma. More into the smartass reporter who gets the better of Lois and sometimes Lois gets the better of him. Also, hire a better Lois. Anne Hathaway or even Emma Stone would look far better than who they hired.
DCEU died with the exit of Snyder. Instead of committing with a creative vision, even if controversial, was the way to get something successful. Maybe not 2 billion $ successful, but still pretty good, profitable, and important: memorable.
Committing to an artist vision that has already proven extremely niche and showing rapidly diminishing returns on projects that cost hundreds of millions to make would not have changed the outcome and f the DCEU in any way, no matter how hard the fanboys cope your statement makes no sense when logic is applied
@@hu3tw0Except every non Snyderverse DC film has lost them huge amounts of money to the point of bankrupting them. At the end of the day its a business and they can't keep losing money like that.
@@petriew2018 expected returns is different from losses or breaking even. Even if the movies were not 1billion marvel hits, they were profitable. That's the point of what I wrote xd
You know what? To me Zak Snider and DCEU are tied together.. and I’m so tired of him. And his fan boys. No I don’t mind dark and gritty. Dammit I don’t care if a movie “looks cool and stylish” that’s not enough to keep someone sitting for 3-4 hours..
Zack Snyder simps are bad, but Henry Cavill simps are even worse. They are screech that he was irreplaceable and is the best movie adaptation of Superman even though all he did was an okay job in a bunch of bad to terrible movies.
9:27 I wouldn't say Snyder ruined DC, I'd rather say DC didn't took the time Snyder needed while shooting Justice League and roped Whedon on it to completely redo the entire movie with no clear backup plan. Snyder was following darker comic book storyline which would've been a revolutionary to see in big screen but the studio chickened out and Snyder's daughter's passing also didn't helped Snyder at that time and I don't blame him on this one.
Snyder shills are a embarssment to society .oh villain with horns trynna find boxes to impress a big baddie and has family issues while group 6 heroes came together stop him and at the 3rd act sttongest member comes back and defeat the villain easily .oh wat thats avengers .improve ur taste snyder is a hack
I don't think Zack Snyder's vision of the DCEU will fare better even if WB didn't intervene. Even the Snyder Cut isn't THAT good. It's an improvement sure, but it's not great. He can make great visuals but not really that good story-wise. Snyder fans will eat all that up and it's all subjective sure, but it's clear that most audience don't enjoy it. MCU is great at making that balance between making fans happy and also create something that general audience would enjoy (at least until end game). Sure there are rumbles of people hating MCU for their writing, but at least it was a success overall because it was done spectacularly in the first phase.
I mean, I gotta disagree with the take saying that Affleck and Cavil's movies weren't good. Mos and BvS are legit good, they were making money, if WB have had the guts to continue the story in Snyder's vision, the DCEU would have work. Besides, I have to say, the BVS theatrical release was the shitty WB version. The Ultimate version was an overall better film. As well the Snyder's version of Justice League. Was an awesome extravaganza. Other than that, good points in this vid.
@@SomeoneSomewhereMusic Dude seriously doesn't understand either chcharacter, the plots make no sense, everyone acts the same bland to stale with little emotions, destroying properly seems to be the only way Snyder knows how to end movies, dialogue is pretentious to straight up dumb and the tones are depressing, yet they're superheroes supposed to inspire Snyder only knows how to make something look nice with no depth behind it, as well as being nihilistic despite the supposedly uprising of heroes vs villains....the heroes themselves are villains by half their actions
@@SomeoneSomewhereMusicI think the box office returns are proof enough these movies suck. How is it that GOTG, a franchise with a talking tree and raccoon, managed to become more household names in the last 8 years than Batman and Superman .
It wasn't Zack Snyder fault! Edit: Since there’s some confusion below I’ll add context. Zack Snyder didn’t want to take on a full fledged superhero franchise. He only wanted to create a standalone story. Then when Marvels created the Avengers, WB saw that and was salavating at the mouth hoping to achieve similar success with their franchise. I mean it’s no coincidence they got Joss Wehdon to direct Justice League (2017) who also directed The Avengers (2012). It’s the studio to blame because they wanted to compete with Marvel and rush projects to do so. Then there’s the ever lasting quest for them to try to push each of their IPs to try to make $1 billion, they lost sight of good storytelling in the process.
It absolutely was. His botched MoS and vision basically left the audiences no alternative when the MCU turned to ass butter. That accelerated the fatigue that we’re seeing now. Had the DC movies not been lazy trash we’d still be in the boom period.
@@ProjectLDV Zack Snyder didn’t want to take on a full fledged superhero franchise. It’s the studio to blame because they wanted to compete withM instead and rush project. Then there’s the ever lasting quest for them to try to push each of their IPs to try to make $1 billion, they lost sight of good storytelling in the process.
Ya the Rock basically begged for years to play Black Adam, than when he finally got his wish he sabotaged it by refusing to costar with Shazam. Yikes!😬
I wish DC wouldn’t copy the cinematic universe plan, but just do a bunch of stand alone movies created by people who actually have a vision for the projects. I’d have loved to see Mike Flannigans proposed Clayface horror film.
ironically the two DC-based movies they've released that had nothing to do with their 'cinematic universe' (Joker and The Batman), have been miles better both in quality and profitability. Almost as if they don't need the gimmick when they've got decent writing instead....
Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill both were perfect casting and would've gone down in movie history as two who defined a character like RDJ and Iron Man but WB's Incompetency didn't let that happen.
The castings were pretty great for both. Too bad BvS was so ugly and awful, ruined the whole thing, and killed the excitement for most people immediately
Actually, I'm not sure I agree about Affleck. The guy who played Batman during the Batman TAS tv series probably ought to be considered the definitive Batman.
Most laughable comment .cavil is a mid actor with wooden acting who played worst superman while affleck is a good actor who played worst batman .touch a comic son
i disagree. Yes,cavill look the part and looked good as superman but...what about clark kent? ben affleck played a good bruce wayne but his batman....kills multiple people?
Fun fact about DCEU. Snyder wanted to do solo movies for each hero before, but WB said no and then he asked to at least make BvS and later also JL two parters which was also denied. And from what we can see with Snyder Cut which was 2 movies in length he could have developed the characters and motivations a lot more if BvS got to be a 2 parter let alone have a standalone for each hero. So I do enjoy all 3 movies he made, but with BvS I do feel like we should have gotten a solo Batman before (Wonder Woman got a solo movie after which made it work, but they wouldn't agree to make a Batman Solo movie before the literal Justice League movie?). So yeah I love both MOS and Justice League (Snyder Cut) and do somewhat enjoy BvS UE for what it tried with what it had. It's obvious that WB is just incompetent. Same with Universals Dark Universe. Although Dracula Untold was divisive (some only wanting Dracula to be horror movies or thinking him having humanity instead of just a bloodthirsty monster is a disservice to history even though it stays very true to history where the world saw him as a monster while his country saw him as a hero) there are a lot of fans that wanted to see it continue, but they dropped the planned sequel for a shared universe starting with The Mummy where it was a terrible movie with no fans and had Dr Jekyll as Nick Fury (why? Dracula the centuries old leader who have fought many wars would be a much better pick. This is like making Bruce Banner the leader of Avengers) and because of that it leads up to having the mummy itself be the one joining, but no they make Tom Cruises character the one recruited. Like the idea everyone thought of when hearing a Dark Universe would be like the monsters uniting to either bring the world to its knees or try to live among the humans (depending on the tone they want to go for) and depending on the choice Van Helsing could either be the ultimate hero saving the world or the villain.
The fact snyder is a hack who make dogfood movies and still demanding is the funniest thing .mos flopped made less profit than shazam 1 .thats why wb went bvs route cancelling solo movies
Alright I gotta pause it for a second because Zack Synder did not start the avalanche, it was WB themselves when they panicked over test screenings and hired Josh Wheldon (a marvel writer) to course correct justice league. The fact you mentioned the theatrical version and not what was released on HBO max tell me enough. And I dare you to say both movies are the same.
Man of Steel and BvS were really bad, and the Snyder Cut for JL while VASTLY different is still worse in some ways than Josstice League, mostly because of its inane aspirations at being an epic arthouse film at over 4 hours and being B&W.
I will have to disagree. You can argue some of his story decisions were questionable but at the end of the day you still like the actors chosen for the roles (beside Ezra) Batfleck had the most bad ass fight scene of any Batmen (including Patman), and we got a live action version of Darkseid. he knew how to make a comic book movie with a comic book style. unlike the over saturated marvel (which I’m sure y’all probably praise as peak cinema) Zack managed to cram what took marvel 10 years to build up in 3 movies (with exception of Wonder Woman as he was the co writer) anything beyond man of steel, bvs, and ZS Justice League was WB own demise trying to copy that marvel charm that really started the super hero fatigue but let’s blame Zack for being different cause we can’t blame Kevin Feige
If there's anything the last decade of movies has taught us, it's that making a cinematic universe is actually really hard. Transformers was dead on arrival, Dark Universe never got off the ground, Star Wars was banished to streaming, Sony's Spider-Manless Spiderverse (Venomverse?) is hilarious and not in a good way, MCU is a withered husk of what it used to be, and DCEU died a prolonged and painful death.
I'm down for more superhero movies if they're done right, with stories that do the characters and the universe justice. Basically, just have good stories. A good movie that just happens to have superheroes in it. I'm still mad that these fucks kept Ezra "Reverse Flash" Miller but axes Batgirl for the most asinine reasons.
I'm actually a subscriber of yours but this video is pretty disingenuous. Zack is NOT the main reason for the DCEU's failures. Litterly Wanker Brother's fucked it all up, WB kept pulling the rug, terrible work environment, Marvel was at it's peak, fans were mainly in tune with the MCU's childish humor, and the fans were to brain dead to understand what Zack was trying to do. I don't like most of those movies except for Suicide squad 2016, Birds of prey and Wonder woman. I could at least try to understand his vision, the hate for that one man is extremely out-of-pocket. I do under not enjoying his work but spreading B.S is pretty low. I'm not saying Zack is perfect, I'm sure he made some bad decisions but acknowledging all the factors is important.
man of steel was the best live action superman we got, what you talking bout willis - you should watch wtf happened to this movie in regards to justice league, lots of your assertions dont make sense
The Marvel universe thrived in live action cinema, and the DC universe thrived in animated televison. I think that's totally fine. I've mostly ignored the DC live action films because i grew up with the DCAU and feel like I've already seen the best on-screen stories of these characters that I'm going to see. The DCAU is so special and was made with such love. I just can't take Ben Affleck seriously when the Bruce Timm/Kevin Conroy version is so ingrained in my mind as the most fully realized on-screen Batman. I don't think it's coincidence thar DC works better in animation - the heroes and villains are a tad bit cartoonier than the Marvel ones, and so it makes sense.
Part of it's the power scale, Marvel has some heavy hitters but DC is a compeltely different ballgame, plus marvel could've had a decent animated universe but quite a few of their heroes/villians aren't as recongnizable like DC is. The only heros i had heard of prior to the marvel films besides spider man were because my father was a DC superman nerd with a little marvel knowledge.
Then again, Batman TAS came out when we had GOOD TV. When the writers actually card about having a relatable realistic plot without preaching Wokeite propaganda.
@@The_Archer-he2ft While there weren't enough recognizable heroes yet in Marvel as a whole, let's not discredit the fact that X Men as a Marvel subgroup had a great animated series with "X Men Evolution." As someone who never read the comics, I fell in love with a lot of the X men characters because of that show. And regardless of the popularity of the DC characters at the time, I also just feel like the DCAU did such a great job of telling well-written super hero / villain stories. All other great shows aside, one could even say that Justice League acted as a "mini cinematic universe" in and of itself. I say this because the show did two things which were very unusual for animated programs at that time: 1. They had a single story run for the duration of the 30 minute block rather than splitting the story into 2 shorter episodes. Plus, they frequently made two-parter 1 hour episodes if more time was needed. 2. Instead of cramming all of the main characters into every single episode by means of B plots, the writers took turns removing certain main characters from certain episodes completely, so that they could give maximum amount of screen time to the particular heroes that were being focused on in that episode. Basically, Justice League cared A LOT about good writing.
I’ve always loved DC more than Marvel and it pains me to see the movies do terrible at the box office and not pulling good ratings. Hopefully James Gunn give these amazing heroes the justice they deserve.
I’ve always said DC’s Animated movies run laps around any of the live action stuff. It’s a shame they aren’t nearly as well known in popular culture; Under the Red Hood is one of my favorite DC movies of all time
WHO specifically are you talking about? Because everyone who isn’t in the industry absolutely was not on his side so don’t make this about politics dude 😂
Ezra has not been cast in any more movies, the latest entries of his two major franchises (Flash and Fantastic Beasts) were absolute box office disasters (the people have spoken), every single bad thing he did was reported by the news, and his name is now synonymous with choking women. How is this NOT being cancelled, exactly? Ezra miller is not and never has been an A-list actor- what were you expecting, Kevin Spacey / Johnny Depp levels of press coverage? He’s not famous or well-liked enough, and never was
@@Max-qt5lb How many woketards have you seen demanding he be fired? How many woketards have you seen call him a scumbag? How many outlets or platforms have you seen censor or banish him, like they have done so openly, NOW, with Russell Brand? "Reporting" on something is not "cancelling" someone. Not giving someone part by itself is not "cancelling" someone (like you said, he's not A-list anyway). Plenty of actors are not getting a lot of parts despite not being "cancelled." The only ones openly condemning him have been, for the most part, people on the right. The woketard left has been more brutal to Gina Carano (do you think SHE is an a-lister?) over some pronouns than they been close to being with Ezra Miller over legit assault. P.S. it's just been about a year or so and there's a strike. Not exactly "proof" that he's not getting any more work.
I really liked him as Superman and they wasted him so epically. He's Superman, he should've gotten at least two movies, same with Batman. It hurts more because he genuinely cares for the roles he plays. First this, then the Witcher. If anyone's planning a Warhammer 40000 series, they better get that right or he'll murder them all.
I think the DC Universe a has a lot of potential and go to many different genres like horror with some Batman stories and Swamp Thing and fantasy like with Wonder Woman.
@@joshuataylor7443 buy it for what purpose lol? It wouldn't make any money for years and would surely have a price tag in the neighborhood of Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm. Look how well that turned out for them. Someone other than Apple would also come to the table with ridiculously long terms that would eat into their ask with crazy inflation. If it's a tall order for the company that built these characters to make any sort of profit, why would a new guy be any better at it?
Everybody and their momma now says Snyder had a vision, and it should have played out. Fact is, general MCU loving audiences did not like the dark and gritty MoS or BvS. You can lie and say the movies were bad, or Snyder had a hand in bringing down the genre, but that is BS. The MCU and it's cookie cutter fast food factory movies did it. Movie goers that accepted dumb movies because they were "fun/funny" did it. Not Snyders misunderstood (at the time) vision for DC. Not enough action maybe, but do not fault the movie for your short attention span.
Hack snyder has iq of 69 so is his fandom .is sad his fandom still think he can make good movies .general audience want good movies snyder made dogfood
Lucy Liu straight up triggered my PTSD from season 8 of Game of Thrones a batshit insane woman on a dragon arbitrarily destroying a city for no justifiable reason
2:04 that's not actually true. After BvS came suicide squad which made 800mill then Aquaman that made 1billion. It was the tonal shift that started to put everyone off. Your logic for Zack being the one to destroy the superhero genre doesn't make sense when he was fired in 2017, WB had plenty of oppertunities to course correct since then so how does that fall on zack?
BvS (which had batman, superman and wonder women) only made 800 mil. in the same year where Zootopia, jungle book and even secret life of pets earned more. Also it was universally agreed to be a critical failure.
Marvel has been getting dangerously close to killing their own MCU franchise..... They've been a shadow of their previous awesomeness for quite a while now.... putting out disappointment after meh... After underwelmer for some time.... Often feeling like the formula is the same... The jokes and emotional hooks are more contrived and the inspiration is just kind of D.O.A. Maybe it's also superhero burnout..... Finally taking hold. I was thinking recently, I could see a reversal where DCU the up making the better movies... The question is will it be doomed anyway... From too big a hole to crawl out of and superhero fatigue....
@@chaoticstarfish3401they weren’t for everyone but tonally were the same. Which was good since those movies should be direct sequels to each other. Zack wasn’t the problem and never was. It was WB.
That's like saying "the antibiotic is what gave me the fever" Snyder's vision was sh*t even from the beginning. Man of Steel was sh*t and Batman vs Superman was sh*t. They brought in Whedon hoping he'll do some damage control but he couldn't. JL ended up being sh*t anyway and JL Snyder cut was slightly less smelly sh*t but sh*t nonetheless.
All this effort just to justify the failure of the upcoming DCU by blaming it on Zack Snyder despite him leaving years ago and multiple retcons and reboots happened. Was this fan funded by "the real DC fans"
Yes he was .snyder is a hack who ruined batman , superman , lex , flash , joker , doomsday , wonder woman (yeah dont think i forgot her blowing up the building to stop it from being blow up )😂
@@ymisocool lets start then .mos is the worst superman movie where pa kent dies cuz superman didnt hear a tornado from a mile away with his super hearing .lets start bvs when u are ready
@@maaadcity781 you ended it yourself. Anyone with a brain who watched the movie knows why pa Kent died. And at that point Superman had no intentions to let his powers loose and he was suppressing it for years. But keep up the hate boner. And enjoy the video. It was made for your kind.
@@ymisocool just like i thought kid has 50iq .nobody knows why pa kent died .psycho kent dies bcuz superman didnt hear a tornado from a mile away .u literally ignored the plothole i mentioned .
The Batman and Joker are safe bets for WB. They're still trying to copy the success of the Dark Knight trilogy. There was no risk in making these movies. They have no clue how to take the time to build up a cinematic universe, and lay the foundation. They can't do, it's not possible because WB wants to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. Another 10 years down the drain.
EXACTLY! beautiful worded. The problem since day 1 since 2013 is WB was jealous of marvel and wanted to get in the game ASAP. The problem is besides man of steel and they just jumped straight into BVS and JL. They should have been much more patient and at least given us 2 ben Affleck batman solo films 2 superman films and maybe a flash and aqua man and ww film THEN you collaborated them. I will just add the only 1 single thing WB did right was casting. I think each of the 6 main character were all geniusely casted and yes imma be honest I liked Ezra millers performances (I know hes a terrible person) but he is really good. Ben and Henry are the greatest and for the other 3 I don't know who else you would cast
U meant worst .mos is the worst superman movies bvs is one of the worst movies in general while snyder cut is laughbly bad movie but kids compare it to joss cut and say its good 😂
@@Chadcat180 Hmm, I'm a bit curious, what exactly is bad about Zack Snyder's Justice League? I can see not liking some aspects of Batman V. Superman even though I liked the Ultimate Edition, but Zack Snyder got pretty much everything right when it came to Zack Snyder's Justice League. It's one of the best team-up superhero movies ever made.
@@actualnotanewbie its dogfood .u just have dogfood taste let me explain .snyder is a hack .cheap version of avengers .oh no villain with horns trynna find boxes to impress big baddie and has family issues then 6 heroes come together to stop him .at the 3rd act strongest member comes back and beat him easily .i can go more further if u want
@@actualnotanewbie i already did but its okay .ww blowing up a building to stop terrorists from blowing it up 😂kAl eL nO , ww goes Ahahahahah , flash touches hotdogs while groaping women , women sniff sweaters , darkseid has dimentia , flash turn back time ruining the stakes , it was a disaster
one of my biggest gripes with shazam 2 was that it was basically a rehash of the first one with way too many leads and redundancy of powers. I was really hoping that the second kid would be the villain: he loves the lime light and attention from saving people so he starts creating his own disasters to save people from. Then he discovers he's able to steal the powers of his brothers/sisters...then it's just super shazam vs shazam. i don't know how to resolve this outside "don't be a dick" but i think that would have been a lot more compelling than oh look, another wizard. bad joke, bad joke, bad joke.
"The Batman" was done completely right.... The same with "The Joker" those are two characters truly saving DC movies. Wonder Woman was alright but They butchered it with part 2 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ They just need to leave all a cringey jokes/ terrible awkward acting and terrible video game like CGI out of Hero/Comic Book Movies
indeed you can't blame him for movies that are coming out years after his involvement in the brand you have to hold the actual people accountable the people who made those movies
There were no solo Batman movies only one Superman solo movie, no build up for the next Justice League (as far as I'm aware). In a DC CINEMATIC UNIVERSE. Instead we got multiple movies of niche characters... What ?
@@Bleu_sky I really do not want to watch another movie of Batman. He’s so disgusting at this point there’s nothing interesting to say about the character whatsoever. Seriously, Batman, Finatticz, or zealots are the worst
It is like having a Star Wars movie named Jar Jar. Actually, Waller is a series, but I can't stand the fact that we have confirmed a series about a D-list character and there is no clue about Wally West, the Teen Titans or even Constantine.
Blaming BVS is silly. The movie and one’s right after did well. WB mishandling the next 8 movies is what did it obviously. Blaming the 2nd movie that did very well? Gtfoh
I'm tired of ppl confusing DCEU with DCU. If you can keep up with MCU timelines, you can understand two different studio names. DCEU is dead, DCU literally hasn't even started.
Look at all these 2 "Kalelno" + "maadcity780" Zack Snyder haters Appeared everytime anywhere there are ZSJL review there are them hence, even this Kalelno saying "I Am A Bot", then this guy spamming hate like a true bot all over the comment section talk about irony (don't worry, *i saw*, i saw more than 2, there are many more, Herolos or Herios something with the corgi dog thumbnail, this one is also the Snyder hater spreading across the somment section, not only this video but other)
It won’t be a flop if Gunn hires award winning writers/screenwriters and directors + market the movies ofc. Gunn already has the audience shown on the Peacemaker series, DC fans, and regular movie goers.
lol it makes total sense why they would start with damien .cuz pattinson exists and u dont need loner 2 batmen and robert may have a robin in 2nd part too
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GREAT THE MOVIE CYNIC DCEU FAIL.
okay bvs didn't make billion dollar. sucide squad 2016 was bad. wonder woman movie is good but sequel was very disaster. josstice league is REALLY bad movie. bird of prey bad. the sucide squad same hbo max and theatre was flop. black adam was bad i'm done with dceu. fuck you dc fans. thank you for help dceu need money but you didn't help. you want to snyderverse was too late
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Hey the movie cynic blue beetle was lie. dc fans like blue beetle but was toxic dc fans. that dc fans ruin dceu yeah. suck dc fans
Personally, I enjoyed MoS and the Snyder Cut versions of BvS and Justice League, but pretty much all of the other movies from Birds of Prey onward were mostly just shit
Marvel tripped and broke both of their legs at the finish line, where DC faceplanted at the starting line. Neither finished the race.
lmao
The race was finished at endgame mcu decided to ask for a new race then fell flat on their face at the starting line
@@storm_fling1062this one. Was gonna say the same thing. Endgame was the finish line. They just decided to run another 200m and broke their shins by doing so
@@Titan_Speakerman2583Mcu is a McDonald's of cinema. Like Scorsese said it's not art.
@@atius8571 I mean actual art isn't art these days. It's more a perspective. You're right in that it's not art art. But how endgame and infinity war brought people together for something. To me that's the art
I think Warner Bros is better off making standalone DC movies within their own continuity instead of trying to be a dollar store Marvel. There should be movies like The Batman and Joker where they give their directors lots of creative freedom without the worry of connecting it to a bigger universe because that's just way too hard
I think DC needs to take a huge break from making movies and James Gunn need to put his universe on hold superhero movies lately . Has really been falling off the MCU went from the green light to yellow light and DC red light just broke
@@DomingoCa-r3o What the hell are you talking about we're at 7 DCEU flops already they haven't made a substantial profit
@@DomingoCa-r3oYou're right. DC had been making individual movies for years, and those movies did a lot more for the box office and audience retention than anything the DCEU has.
So, really they should go back to what was making them successful and not blockbuster jokes
@@mgmboy3778 lmao right. Theres reason why DC does better on small screen while Marvel been dominating the big screen over DC. Im sure snyderverse cult people cannot figure out why that is. Lol
The Batman and Joker are safe bets for WB. They're just trying to copy the success of the Dark Knight trilogy by making films that are dark and gritty, grounded, and self contained. There was no risk involved in putting these movies out. I'd rather have a definitive version of the DC cinematic universe that is properly planned out. They need to take the time to actually lay the foundation.
Say anything about wokeness, but this time around, wokeness has nothing to do with DC's downfall. The brand has been torn apart from bad executives, bad movie releases (like BvS and Justice League), keeping scumbags working for them (like Ezra and Amber), and many others. Top this weak reputation for DC brand with Hamada's weird decision to put obscure characters on big screen. The final result is a complete disaster. And now James Gunn is forced to pick up the remaning pieces, dealing with things he had minimum control of.
Blind greed was their ultimate failing.
At the end of the day, Hollywood's "wokeness" isn't really that politically motivated, is just a marketing strategy made as cold and calculated as the shared-universe business model by the same producers, or investors really...
MCU begin to fall when they overused woke ideology to their movies. DCEU even failed to do that to increased attentions from audiences
Stop simping
DCEU > MCU you sheep popcorn chugging simpletons.
billy batson being more mature than shazam ruins the immersion for that character almost immediately for me
I don't think that is a mistake. Billy is mature because he's conflicted with the world that he's living, he's a kid who have been in a lot of foster homes with stricked rules that he has to follow. Whereas as Shazam, he's free to do whatever he wants. He released his inner child in Shazam because he has powers that he's capable of doing basically anything. He felt too perfect and doesn't have to worry about anything as Shazam unlike he did when he was just Billy. He can't purchase beers because he's way too young but he can as Shazam which makes him immature enough for sure but make sense since he doesn't have to worry about anything. At least that's how I see it
I was hugely interested in and invested in Cavill, Affleck as Superman and Batman and the core DCEU characters in ZSJL...yes, some people didn't like them or those films, but that's fine - it's subjective. The entire problem was self-made by Warner Bros from 2016 - the sheer amount of studio meddling ruined so much.
It's hilarious how Snyder's haters use the term 'Snyderverse' a lot more than his fans, acting as if he was given a free hand in how he managed 'his' movie universe, and how basically one single man somehow ruined an entire movie universe more than the corporate overlords making one bad decision after another.
@@badman_iiixiii Couldn't agree more. Saying Zack destroyed DC or the DCEU or was responsible etc is utterly ridiculous. He wasn't involved since 2017 when the execs reshot about 80% of JL because they are morally corrupt morons. True "Snyderverse" is from 2013 to 2017 MAX. The same characters and actors appeared in other films, but they are usually so far from what they originally were character-wise is immense.
Most. Most people didn't like them. You are the obnoxiously vocal minority
@@petriew2018 Calling someone "obnoxious" because they like film A or specific character iterations is wild. Who is "most"? People online I'm guessing. I've also seen a number of people online who like them too & spoken to people IRL who liked them too. The films were financially successful - especially compared to the woeful newer DC films' performance.
@@Kal_El1994 no, i'm calling them obnoxious because of the way they so forcefully flood a comment section with utter bullshit because they can't accept the reality that they like bad movies.. Snyderlings are some of the most toxic and obnoxious idiots i've ever seen infest the internet, because they can't even make a coherent case as to why they like the thing they like, they just thing it's cool because edgy.
You're saying things that are untrue because you want to hear them but nobody with a brain will say them outloud.... because they're fantasies. The critical, general, and financial reception for the Snyderverse was a massive disaapointment for WB. They were not successful, that's why he was fired.
DCU hasn’t really technically started
Flash, aqua man 2, Shazam, we’re out of James gunns control
His first chapter of Gods And Monsters starts with creature commandos which is one of James gunns creations
It really infuriates me that people blame what was Batman V. Superman on Zack Snyder alone. This film had a lot of studio interference, and wasn't even Zack Snyder's plan. There was going to be a Batman solo film, and other things building up to this. But Warner Bros wanted a "Avengers-level" film too soon without setting up the characters. Even Superman's character arc wasn't finished. He was going to become the Superman we all know and love, but the development and growth of him would take time.
Zack Snyder was doing a masterpiece. But studio interference ruined it for him.
Since Snyder's departure in 2017, things have only gotten worse. It's obvious he was never the problem, but people are blatantly ignoring all the facts because of their blatant bias against him.
These are the same people that said "the Snyder Cut doesn't exist," but once AT&T forced WB to release it on HBO MAX to a warm reception the narrative shifted to, "he obviously changed the movie after he saw the reaction to Josstice League," even though Snyder himself confirmed he's never even seen that version of the movie.
All one has to do is compare Stepphenwolf's overall character design and story arc in Josstice League to the Snyder Cut, and that pretty much sums up everything he had to deal with at WB.
@@miketheninja13 It all marvel bots bro that was bashing snyder and still are now even tho snyder left in 2016 and they have had 13 films under different directors since and evey single one of them are flopps and they try to blame snyder lmao The marvel bots was scared that Snyder's universe was better than marvel woke shit
Snyder shills are a embarssment to the society bvs was one of the worst movies of all time where lex luthor trynna pin superman on murder of some village folks who has bullets inside their bodies .improve ur taste kid .
@@miketheninja13snyder was the problem .so was hamada .snyder ruined every character he worked means all th A listers while hamada had no plan to what to go from there
snyder ruined dc reputation nolan build with his crap
It’s funny how the Lego Batman movie was more enjoyable than any recent superhero movie period
Weird, right?
Lego Batman did Batman better than Batman in BvS
I would consider TSS to be quite recent, and I enjoyed that movie just as much as Lego Batman. Both movies are great imo
deadass just finished the mcu video
you're not dead
nor the ass
Dead ass?
Is this more zoomer lingo no one else understands? “English MFer! Do YOU speak it?!”
Same
I watched it last night
DCEU: the boy who fails copying homework, poorly
MCU: the boy who gets away with doing his own homework, before eventually burning out and not caring anymore
Mcu copied snyder this is facts
@@user-fm3xr9yz3ihack snyder copied joss whedon .snyder cut is literally a cheap copy of avengers story
@@Chadcat180 yup, the Snyder Cut has so many similarities with Avengers 1 and Avengers Age of Ultron.
Zack Snyder DID destroy the DCEU. He started everything on "gritty" Superman and then went into "gritty" BvS. These stories are good as CRITIQUES of Superman, NOT as the FOUNDATION.
Zack snyder the kinda hack clown to go and make a gritty Barbie movie and wonder why no one came
Disagree but ok.
@@moisuomicry
Hack snyder made every movie to fit his goofy bat punisher thats why every movie has a cringe colour pallete
not agree at all.
DC 2023 sucks, but James Gunn had little control over that. Just like a new CEO coming in to revive a dying business, they still has to deal w/ the garbage that was left over from the idiot before
It may be that Gunn's DCU _will_ suck, but we haven't SEEN anything from it yet. All of what we've seen is leftover from Snyder and Walter Hamada (who doesn't get named often enough for the damage he caused).
Then again, this IS James Gunn we are talking about. If you expect the new DCU to be run by a virtue signalling narcissist, you are golden.
@@andrewcurlutu6422dont worry gunn has talent unlike hack snyder
@@Chadcat180well I think Zack has talent but Gunn is a much much better writer
@@ajaxmaxbitch no zack has talent for pictures and action pieces but O as a storyteller .it makes lot sense when u get to know that he was a music video director before
If DC thinks a universe reboot is going to save their movies, without major changes to the writing, they're in for a big disappointment.
Maybe they should stay away from sky beams and energy pulses, and focus on a more grounded and relatable story with street level characters.
Then again, the other studio Marvel tried THAT on by making the character Dare Devil do the walk of shame. He's as "street" as you can get.
I think you left out a big point in DC. Superman killing was a red flag to many. When batman came out I asked does batman kill. Yes he does. At that point I knew DC had no place for my time or money.
We dont need shock value as consumers. Just a good story.
I’ll never understand this complaint. Either Zod dies or innocent people do. He made that very clear “I’m going to make them SUFFER, Kal.”
“Why didn’t he take Zod to space?”
How long do you think he could keep that up for?
@@Arander92 so people die, you deal with it, trauma, become stronger. Breaking your values or code once makes a slippery slope to break more.
Even if I justify superman, fine. What was batman excuse in the following movie? And how do you tell your young nephews on Halloween batman kills? Look on tv.
@@Arander92 kid u forgot the part where cringe cavil lasered a huge ship and crashed it in to middle of the city killing hundreds
@@sagepirotess6312 dude batman was killing since keatons batman stop being a hypocrite already
@@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386 never seen him kill. And no he didn't kill in dark knight or adam west batman.
I mean I enjoyed blue beetle so idk I might just be dumb af and suicide squad 2021 and peacemaker were really good but that’s just me
And what do these have in common? No universe. I don't get, why the "universe" is so important. MCU have one time good run with it, not denying that, right place, right time, right (and at that time original) product. Now they are collapsing to and instead of get rid of it, they multiply it to multiverse. DCEU with it's overblowed emphasis on universe skipping solo movies and ... well you know.
I agree with you, I like SS2021 too, it was fresh and clean, with no tyups. Yes, there were repeating actors, but not to tie plot to some DCEU, just to be themselves in crazy scenario. The only one movie, where Margot Harley works (for me).
@@Vor567tezthen it doesn’t sound like the superhero genre is going nowhere does it 😉
Still though I think we need more original and mid-budget films rather than just franchises and universes.
I remember when Ezra Miller was choking out random female fans and everyone was like, "I dunno WB... Maybe you should just scrap this entire Flash movie or put it straight on streaming and cut your losses now." And David Zaslov and James Gunn were all like, "Nah! It'll be fine! This one's actually good! It's worth putting up with Ezra Miller for. You'll see!" And then the movie came out and performed worse than Morbius. Everyone remember that? I remember that.
They announced the flash movie during S1 of The Flash show and released it after S9 of The Flash show. WB has been hilarious for me.
Unfortunately for them, they couldn't Batgirl the Flash Movie. The Wokite cultist in Hollyweird who think crossdressers are secular saints would NEVER have allowed it.
Except James Gunn never said that. He did (which is baffling indeed 😆) say The Flash was good, but he never said it was worth putting up with Ezra for it. It was too late to scrap it bro if you compare to Batgirl. I don’t think they had a choice from a business perspective…
That's because James Gunn is a paedophile who sticking up for another paedophile like Ezra Millar, paedos stick together
what does gunn has to do with anything ? he never asked anyone to make these movies not sarfan produced it either 🤡🤡
As soon as they let Henry Cavill make an announcement he was back as Superman, then days later axed him from the role, I was out!
Visually speaking Cavil looked amazing as Superman, I loved the suit design, and he did give it his best despite the godawful writing/direction he had to work with. But tragically every single DCU movie with Superman has sucked ass, and that includes Man Of Steel.
@@xuvial1391 i mean was that cabills fault in the end? The only part i'd say was bad on cavills part was the cgi mustache removal. The story was bad because superman killed one of his big bads(zod) in his first encounter and first appearance as superman. Didnt help that superman was placed into this wierd role of godlike instead of down to earth guy with godlike abilities. Plus his second appearance was to be foil to batman who got fast track development and was made into a criminal branding psycho instead of a mentally obsessive man who wont let go of the past or soemthing closer to batman's character
@@xuvial1391this is facts lol
@@The_Archer-he2ftThen again, Superman as godlike is hardly a novel idea. The Injustice movie covered that, I believe.
Worst superman im so glad hes out .most overrated mid actor .bunch of simps who think he was good needs to touch some comics
The DCEU died when Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was released. Since then it has become a Zombie of a Franchise.
Now it's dead for good.
Ayo did Flash just put a baby in a microwave?? Who let Ezra touch the script
😂
Forget a disaster.
A disaster draws attention.
I can't remember most of the movies that DC has made. I remember the movie they cancelled more because it was funny that they said, "you know, we can actually make more money not trying."
Maybe Superhero movies being no longer mainstream is a good thing. They don't have to cater to mainstream audiences and can focus on what the fans like and be more niche.
The Suicide Squad (2021) is the best DCU movie. Great writing, compelling characters, has the right balance of comedy, drama and action, and great acting. However, it’s basically a stand alone movie that doesn’t contribute to a cinematic universe.
Black Adam could have been great if they took more time to develop the other characters such as Dr. Fate, Hawkman, and Atom Smasher. Instead they all were shoved in without explaining their backstories, and *spoilers* they all die anyways. But I really think it could have been a great movie series.
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I honestly think Superman Legacy is going to end up being the most overhyped movie since Black Panther I don’t get why WB think directors who made a couple Marvel films are the end all be all
To be fair though, James Gunn made 2 (debatably 3) of the best movies in the MCU.
marvel directors ? kiddo gunn is working with WB since 2000s and he has made the best projects after TDK trilogy lol
Kiddo, Gunn has had a good experience with superhero movies, why wouldn't WB want him to make Superman movie???
I love the part where he actually criticizes the DCU. Glad he didn't mention the past DCEU projects,
Detective Comics Comics Universe
Honestly I think DC should stick to their animated universe. It is clearly their strong side (Stronger than even Marvel). The DCAMU was absolute perfection and almost every movie paid off. Super underrated.
They just used the characters how they should be; similar to their comic coutnerparts while being down to earth enough to relate to common audiences. DCEU spat in fan's faces right away by making a "darker" theme which just meant that i guess superman just straight murders people in his first battle and batman brands criminals making him more psychotic than heroic making people not see him as a hero, the only character that seems slightly heroic is wonderwoman since cyborg doesnt want to be there, aquaman barely seems to want to be there, and flash is acting more like spiderman than barry allen
When done correctly animation seems to be the perfect medium for superhero stories.
If Shazam 2 had black Adam as the villain, then it would have been better
probably
@@craigimeblack adam most definitely would've been better to have as an antagonist than the daughters of whoever.
Yes, and no. It would only work if they expect the actor who plays Black Adam to play himself. If they expect him to play the actual character, they would be certain to be disappointed.
The thing which baffles me the most is that they failed to take lessons from their faliures... like you expect them to do right things after justice league's disaster but no they continued to screw themselves over and over again with dumb decisions one after another, and they fired Henry Cavill and Ben Affleck but kept Erza Miller.... I can never understand what goes into their heads
Partly they can't learn because they can't admit personal fault for canceling the Snyderverse DCEU for the Josstice League.
The other part is they're listening to shills and liars like this commentor that is pretending that the Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man 2 were better and more profitable than the first 4 films of the DCEU. They weren't. DC management ignored fans and didn't understand their box office was growing. Then they reversed course 3 times at least and lost more money each time. The GunnVerse will also fail too because the fanbase is split even worse than Star Wars and some of tbe same greedy idiots are still in charge.
@@kylehicks9018Yeah for real! I didn't watched any DC movies since they fired Henry and Affleck, It feels like they slapped their fans and spit on them
Jared leto as joker was a disaster 😂
Whatever did people expect? His take on the character was so out of left field it practically fell off the edge of the planet. Then again, he WAS only as good as the script he was given.
the crazy thing is that Snyder was the PERFECT director to make Watchmen because he has always said he loves to make Superheroes into real people. In an interview he literally said he wanted to do that to Superman and that is why Superman kills Zod and Batman kills people. He never wanted to bring those characters to the screen, he wanted to change them to fit into his own view of them. Glad he is gone making movies on Netflix that are garbage.
@@user-fm3xr9yz3i Zach Snyder literally said that in an interview before Man of Steel came out......
Funny thing is his characters never were real ppl .his chracters always the most boring and one dimentional 😂
2nd ss square was fire and peacemaker is 🔥🔥🔥
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The problem with DCU is mismanagement. I always got an impression that they didnt want to push superman and batman foward. It was as if they were deliberately stagnating them.
Man of steel, was a decent take on superman. Sure there were problems, but a proper sequel could have handled ths.
Ben afleck too played the character well. As a broken batman( more broken than usual), there was an opportunity for the heroes journey.
It was so simple, but they had to try to copy the mcu. DC is dark , make those films as they should be.
the problem is 'dark' doesn't sell to the general audience. Even the Burton films, dark as they were, were campy dark.... not warhammer 40k dark....
This is the problem DC and WB never could wrap their heads around. If you want Marvel money, yeah, you need to lighten it up and sell a more cartoon-y version of the heros than the comic book versions, because that's what sells to families. Snyder's biggest mistake was leaning too hard into the edgiest of possible comic book interpretations just to not be Marvel.... when WB wanted Marvel's box office.
This left them stuck between the two, the existing grimdark superman that wasn't selling to the normies, and the obnoxiously loud snyder cultist who wanted it even darker.... and they simply refused to make a choice.
Ben was a good Batman, not a good Bruce. Which wouldn't normally be a problem, if he wasn't walking around as Bruce for the majority of his screentime across movies
@@petriew2018 true, but dark it should be. Obviously going warhammer 40k wouldnt work for dc.
They tried that with the animation: justice league apocalypse war. The heroes got mutilated in old anime fashion. Too dark.
The balance needs to be there, in a crafty way.
@@temwananinkana3419 they need to keep the characters and themes.... but, honestly, stop listening to the comics fans so much.
'dark', love it or hate it, will not work if you want the same kind of mainstream success Marvel once enjoyed. If the comics fans want big budget movies of their favorite heroes, they kind of need to make peace with the best their going to get is the mainline animate versions, because anything else will not work for the studio's bottom line, which in the end rules everything. Nolan was pushing what you can get away with for mainstream success, but even that wouldn't have sustained an extended franchise.
This, honestly, is why i think Snyder was such a massive mistake. I will admit to having enjoyed some Snyder movies, he's not a man without talent, but he is not a man who understands what it takes to truly be 'main stream'. His vision for superman was the complete opposite of what WB needed to actually launch a franchise.
@@petriew2018 his biggest problem was arrogance. He refused to capture the spirit of the characters.
In addition to this, i will emphasize, the dcu was mismanaged. Fine goin too dark may not be the way to go, but at least pick a lane a stick with it. They mixed dark tones, serious social commentary and the light heart humour you would expect in a spiderman film. Right ingredients individually but not in the same dish in the propotions they dished out.
no super hero fatigue, just bad movie fatigue.
No I think there really is superhero fatigue. People no longer give serious fucks about the CBM genre.
But I still believe people might show up for the A list characters. (superman etc)
@jude_I lol no, ppl who like comic books never went to see these shit movies in the first place. Iron man 2 crap Iron man 3 crap Dr strange crap all the Thor movies crap endgame pure dogshit all the Tom Holland Spiderman movies are shit too
There’s no such thing as superhero fatigue.
The Suicide Squad, directed by James Gunn, is the best DCEU movie ever made. Not a high bar, true, but it was a genuinely great movie.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 was one of the few superhero movies that has recently come out to get a solid positive critical reception as well as making a decent profit in the box office, and that's with a 250 million dollar budget. Again, that was also directed by James Gunn.
I don't think people are suffering from "super hero fatigue" I think people are suffering from shitty movie fatigue. As long as James Gunn does what he's been doing and makes good movies then I think DCU can have a chance and superhero movies might even get second wind.
James Gunn is a p3do who made p3do tweets. Which got him fired in 2016.
@@SpokeNyan1390evidence, or do you think the tweets he made are considered ped since they don't look ped
No one mentioning how they paid JJ Abrams millions to reboot DC but then saw he killed both starwars and startrek.
It's true about Superman not being a lucrative film franchise. MOS made only 40 million and SR broke even. That WBD is launching the DCU with a Superman film is inexplicable. The consensus is that it will lose money. John Campea is predicting it will be a financial flop, yet he wants it released first?! He did a vid last week pushing back at speculation SL could be delayed for several years. That is exactly what should happen. Launch with their strongest film IP - Batman. Let the DCU build up good will and then do a Superman film. And bring in someone other than Gunn to write and direct it. His SL is going to esentially be an ensemble film featuring Lois and Clark. No wonder most believe it will bomb.
The strike gives Zaslav the cover to scale back/change Gunn's plans. If Aquaman 2 does poorly watch for big changes to the DCU.
Mos flopped thats the truth .even shazam made 73mil.profit 😂
Coming to Zack Snyder's defense, Man of Steel was a pretty good movie. Batman V Superman seems like a movie studio execs demanded in order to bridge Man of Steel to Justice League in just one movie. If they turned the story into 2 or 3 movies, it could have been better. And if you've seen Zack Snyder's version of Justice League, you know he's not to blame for what we got in theatres. I don't believe Zack Snyder killed the DCEU. I think the Warner Bros executives did.
Facts
Man of Steel was good movie.... until you think about it for 30 seconds and you realize everything happens because everyone is a moron all the time...
@@petriew2018 Care to give any examples?
@@TheYodelingViking The inciting incident of Superman's life is his dad basically giving up on life to die in a tornado superman could have saved him from, except for the fact that his father also taught him to value hiding his powers over human life.... even his own father's life....
@@petriew2018his father was a human, he was scared for his son exposing his nature and wanted to protect him, I'd say that's pretty real.
This video really pissed off the Snyder fans. They still refuse to accept that Snyder sucks at making movies. 💀
ok then why blame him for movies that other people are making? its not his fault everything post shazam 1 starting failing esp when he had already started working at Netflix
@@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386 he has half the blame .he ruined all the A listers
@@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386He ruined Superman and that is entirely on him. Make batman gritty no problem but Superman should be a positive movie. Dwelve more into his humanity. More into the boy who grew up on a farm without trauma. More into the smartass reporter who gets the better of Lois and sometimes Lois gets the better of him.
Also, hire a better Lois. Anne Hathaway or even Emma Stone would look far better than who they hired.
What sucks too is that even if they do make a good DC movie they are gonna ruin it with their greed and hubris.
DCEU died with the exit of Snyder. Instead of committing with a creative vision, even if controversial, was the way to get something successful. Maybe not 2 billion $ successful, but still pretty good, profitable, and important: memorable.
Zack Snyder has done irreparable damage to DC, getting rid of him was the best business decision they could’ve made
Dc films died the moment snyder entered.
Committing to an artist vision that has already proven extremely niche and showing rapidly diminishing returns on projects that cost hundreds of millions to make would not have changed the outcome and f the DCEU in any way, no matter how hard the fanboys cope
your statement makes no sense when logic is applied
@@hu3tw0Except every non Snyderverse DC film has lost them huge amounts of money to the point of bankrupting them. At the end of the day its a business and they can't keep losing money like that.
@@petriew2018 expected returns is different from losses or breaking even. Even if the movies were not 1billion marvel hits, they were profitable. That's the point of what I wrote xd
I like Wonder Woman (2017 ) and Aquaman (2018)
But I hope Gunn can fix DC's mess that they put themselves in
You know what? To me Zak Snider and DCEU are tied together.. and I’m so tired of him. And his fan boys. No I don’t mind dark and gritty. Dammit I don’t care if a movie “looks cool and stylish” that’s not enough to keep someone sitting for 3-4 hours..
Zack Snyder simps are bad, but Henry Cavill simps are even worse. They are screech that he was irreplaceable and is the best movie adaptation of Superman even though all he did was an okay job in a bunch of bad to terrible movies.
9:27 I wouldn't say Snyder ruined DC, I'd rather say DC didn't took the time Snyder needed while shooting Justice League and roped Whedon on it to completely redo the entire movie with no clear backup plan. Snyder was following darker comic book storyline which would've been a revolutionary to see in big screen but the studio chickened out and Snyder's daughter's passing also didn't helped Snyder at that time and I don't blame him on this one.
Snyder shills are a embarssment to society .oh villain with horns trynna find boxes to impress a big baddie and has family issues while group 6 heroes came together stop him and at the 3rd act sttongest member comes back and defeat the villain easily .oh wat thats avengers .improve ur taste snyder is a hack
I don't think Zack Snyder's vision of the DCEU will fare better even if WB didn't intervene. Even the Snyder Cut isn't THAT good. It's an improvement sure, but it's not great. He can make great visuals but not really that good story-wise. Snyder fans will eat all that up and it's all subjective sure, but it's clear that most audience don't enjoy it. MCU is great at making that balance between making fans happy and also create something that general audience would enjoy (at least until end game). Sure there are rumbles of people hating MCU for their writing, but at least it was a success overall because it was done spectacularly in the first phase.
I mean, I gotta disagree with the take saying that Affleck and Cavil's movies weren't good.
Mos and BvS are legit good, they were making money, if WB have had the guts to continue the story in Snyder's vision, the DCEU would have work.
Besides, I have to say, the BVS theatrical release was the shitty WB version. The Ultimate version was an overall better film. As well the Snyder's version of Justice League. Was an awesome extravaganza.
Other than that, good points in this vid.
That's your opinion, the facts are the movies suck
@@ninjanibba4259 Why?
@@SomeoneSomewhereMusic Dude seriously doesn't understand either chcharacter, the plots make no sense, everyone acts the same bland to stale with little emotions, destroying properly seems to be the only way Snyder knows how to end movies, dialogue is pretentious to straight up dumb and the tones are depressing, yet they're superheroes supposed to inspire
Snyder only knows how to make something look nice with no depth behind it, as well as being nihilistic despite the supposedly uprising of heroes vs villains....the heroes themselves are villains by half their actions
@@ninjanibba4259 Wouldn't that count as your opinion?
@@SomeoneSomewhereMusicI think the box office returns are proof enough these movies suck. How is it that GOTG, a franchise with a talking tree and raccoon, managed to become more household names in the last 8 years than Batman and Superman .
The only movie that didn't bomb.. was also not in the DCEU. It's a standalone universe.
It wasn't Zack Snyder fault!
Edit: Since there’s some confusion below I’ll add context. Zack Snyder didn’t want to take on a full fledged superhero franchise. He only wanted to create a standalone story. Then when Marvels created the Avengers, WB saw that and was salavating at the mouth hoping to achieve similar success with their franchise. I mean it’s no coincidence they got Joss Wehdon to direct Justice League (2017) who also directed The Avengers (2012). It’s the studio to blame because they wanted to compete with Marvel and rush projects to do so. Then there’s the ever lasting quest for them to try to push each of their IPs to try to make $1 billion, they lost sight of good storytelling in the process.
The Goodwill left when he did.
Tell that to all the haters
It absolutely was. His botched MoS and vision basically left the audiences no alternative when the MCU turned to ass butter. That accelerated the fatigue that we’re seeing now. Had the DC movies not been lazy trash we’d still be in the boom period.
Zack Snyder's original take on Superman: "What if... he killed people?"
Zack Snyder's original take on Batman: "What if.... he killed people??"
@@ProjectLDV Zack Snyder didn’t want to take on a full fledged superhero franchise. It’s the studio to blame because they wanted to compete withM instead and rush project. Then there’s the ever lasting quest for them to try to push each of their IPs to try to make $1 billion, they lost sight of good storytelling in the process.
Difference is that second Suicide Squad was fucking awesome
It sucked big time!
Ya the Rock basically begged for years to play Black Adam, than when he finally got his wish he sabotaged it by refusing to costar with Shazam. Yikes!😬
I wish DC wouldn’t copy the cinematic universe plan, but just do a bunch of stand alone movies created by people who actually have a vision for the projects.
I’d have loved to see Mike Flannigans proposed Clayface horror film.
ironically the two DC-based movies they've released that had nothing to do with their 'cinematic universe' (Joker and The Batman), have been miles better both in quality and profitability. Almost as if they don't need the gimmick when they've got decent writing instead....
@@petriew2018yeah but lets be honest
Its *Batman* and Joker.
Their name alone is enough to bring people into cinema
Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill both were perfect casting and would've gone down in movie history as two who defined a character like RDJ and Iron Man but WB's Incompetency didn't let that happen.
The castings were pretty great for both. Too bad BvS was so ugly and awful, ruined the whole thing, and killed the excitement for most people immediately
Actually, I'm not sure I agree about Affleck. The guy who played Batman during the Batman TAS tv series probably ought to be considered the definitive Batman.
Most laughable comment .cavil is a mid actor with wooden acting who played worst superman while affleck is a good actor who played worst batman .touch a comic son
i disagree. Yes,cavill look the part and looked good as superman but...what about clark kent? ben affleck played a good bruce wayne but his batman....kills multiple people?
Fun fact about DCEU. Snyder wanted to do solo movies for each hero before, but WB said no and then he asked to at least make BvS and later also JL two parters which was also denied. And from what we can see with Snyder Cut which was 2 movies in length he could have developed the characters and motivations a lot more if BvS got to be a 2 parter let alone have a standalone for each hero. So I do enjoy all 3 movies he made, but with BvS I do feel like we should have gotten a solo Batman before (Wonder Woman got a solo movie after which made it work, but they wouldn't agree to make a Batman Solo movie before the literal Justice League movie?). So yeah I love both MOS and Justice League (Snyder Cut) and do somewhat enjoy BvS UE for what it tried with what it had. It's obvious that WB is just incompetent. Same with Universals Dark Universe. Although Dracula Untold was divisive (some only wanting Dracula to be horror movies or thinking him having humanity instead of just a bloodthirsty monster is a disservice to history even though it stays very true to history where the world saw him as a monster while his country saw him as a hero) there are a lot of fans that wanted to see it continue, but they dropped the planned sequel for a shared universe starting with The Mummy where it was a terrible movie with no fans and had Dr Jekyll as Nick Fury (why? Dracula the centuries old leader who have fought many wars would be a much better pick. This is like making Bruce Banner the leader of Avengers) and because of that it leads up to having the mummy itself be the one joining, but no they make Tom Cruises character the one recruited. Like the idea everyone thought of when hearing a Dark Universe would be like the monsters uniting to either bring the world to its knees or try to live among the humans (depending on the tone they want to go for) and depending on the choice Van Helsing could either be the ultimate hero saving the world or the villain.
The fact snyder is a hack who make dogfood movies and still demanding is the funniest thing .mos flopped made less profit than shazam 1 .thats why wb went bvs route cancelling solo movies
Alright I gotta pause it for a second because Zack Synder did not start the avalanche, it was WB themselves when they panicked over test screenings and hired Josh Wheldon (a marvel writer) to course correct justice league. The fact you mentioned the theatrical version and not what was released on HBO max tell me enough. And I dare you to say both movies are the same.
Zack synder was the original problem my guy. His movies were all shit besides man of steal
@@Inyourbox-kr5ufno, Man of Steel belongs in that category too
Man of Steel and BvS were really bad, and the Snyder Cut for JL while VASTLY different is still worse in some ways than Josstice League, mostly because of its inane aspirations at being an epic arthouse film at over 4 hours and being B&W.
I will have to disagree. You can argue some of his story decisions were questionable but at the end of the day you still like the actors chosen for the roles (beside Ezra) Batfleck had the most bad ass fight scene of any Batmen (including Patman), and we got a live action version of Darkseid. he knew how to make a comic book movie with a comic book style. unlike the over saturated marvel (which I’m sure y’all probably praise as peak cinema) Zack managed to cram what took marvel 10 years to build up in 3 movies (with exception of Wonder Woman as he was the co writer) anything beyond man of steel, bvs, and ZS Justice League was WB own demise trying to copy that marvel charm that really started the super hero fatigue but let’s blame Zack for being different cause we can’t blame Kevin Feige
@@BitofAnything no bro...lol just no
If there's anything the last decade of movies has taught us, it's that making a cinematic universe is actually really hard.
Transformers was dead on arrival, Dark Universe never got off the ground, Star Wars was banished to streaming, Sony's Spider-Manless Spiderverse (Venomverse?) is hilarious and not in a good way, MCU is a withered husk of what it used to be, and DCEU died a prolonged and painful death.
What is Zack Snyder not known for- making a creepy strip dance movie about orphan children.
Snyder also known for making worst batman and superman while making worst joker and lex .its record
Oh wow, now Zack Snyder made "strip dance orphan children movie" now?
@@nguyenquangvinhAnother yes he did
@@Chadcat180 proof?
All i need is the link you said
Put space between the dot and slash to make the link appear
i Will Watch The Proof
The suicide squad and the Batman were the only good movies dc has made in the last few years
@sgn14hack snyder shills always have the worst opinion 😂
agreed
I'm down for more superhero movies if they're done right, with stories that do the characters and the universe justice. Basically, just have good stories. A good movie that just happens to have superheroes in it.
I'm still mad that these fucks kept Ezra "Reverse Flash" Miller but axes Batgirl for the most asinine reasons.
I'm actually a subscriber of yours but this video is pretty disingenuous. Zack is NOT the main reason for the DCEU's failures. Litterly Wanker Brother's fucked it all up, WB kept pulling the rug, terrible work environment, Marvel was at it's peak, fans were mainly in tune with the MCU's childish humor, and the fans were to brain dead to understand what Zack was trying to do.
I don't like most of those movies except for Suicide squad 2016, Birds of prey and Wonder woman. I could at least try to understand his vision, the hate for that one man is extremely out-of-pocket. I do under not enjoying his work but spreading B.S is pretty low.
I'm not saying Zack is perfect, I'm sure he made some bad decisions but acknowledging all the factors is important.
Iron Man wasn’t an A lister until the movies
facts. Many believe Iron man and Captain were marvel's heavy hitters.
man of steel was the best live action superman we got, what you talking bout willis - you should watch wtf happened to this movie in regards to justice league, lots of your assertions dont make sense
U high on cringe
Nope
which one was better@@Chadcat180
@@Chadcat181 which one is better
@@DopelyTV superman 78 and superman and lois
The Marvel universe thrived in live action cinema, and the DC universe thrived in animated televison. I think that's totally fine. I've mostly ignored the DC live action films because i grew up with the DCAU and feel like I've already seen the best on-screen stories of these characters that I'm going to see. The DCAU is so special and was made with such love. I just can't take Ben Affleck seriously when the Bruce Timm/Kevin Conroy version is so ingrained in my mind as the most fully realized on-screen Batman.
I don't think it's coincidence thar DC works better in animation - the heroes and villains are a tad bit cartoonier than the Marvel ones, and so it makes sense.
Part of it's the power scale, Marvel has some heavy hitters but DC is a compeltely different ballgame, plus marvel could've had a decent animated universe but quite a few of their heroes/villians aren't as recongnizable like DC is. The only heros i had heard of prior to the marvel films besides spider man were because my father was a DC superman nerd with a little marvel knowledge.
Then again, Batman TAS came out when we had GOOD TV. When the writers actually card about having a relatable realistic plot without preaching Wokeite propaganda.
@@The_Archer-he2ft While there weren't enough recognizable heroes yet in Marvel as a whole, let's not discredit the fact that X Men as a Marvel subgroup had a great animated series with "X Men Evolution." As someone who never read the comics, I fell in love with a lot of the X men characters because of that show.
And regardless of the popularity of the DC characters at the time, I also just feel like the DCAU did such a great job of telling well-written super hero / villain stories. All other great shows aside, one could even say that Justice League acted as a "mini cinematic universe" in and of itself. I say this because the show did two things which were very unusual for animated programs at that time:
1. They had a single story run for the duration of the 30 minute block rather than splitting the story into 2 shorter episodes. Plus, they frequently made two-parter 1 hour episodes if more time was needed.
2. Instead of cramming all of the main characters into every single episode by means of B plots, the writers took turns removing certain main characters from certain episodes completely, so that they could give maximum amount of screen time to the particular heroes that were being focused on in that episode.
Basically, Justice League cared A LOT about good writing.
My son 10 years old biggest fan of dcu has not want to see any films because he says that they don’t matter for the new universe 😔
Ur son should find a better hobby if hes a fan of cringe dceu
@@Puffdaddy248 i pretty sure they ment their kid doesnt want to see the new movies because they wont matter after the reboot.
@@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897 im sorry but how is his son be a fan of dcu when its not even started yet ?
What exactly is going on inside of Ezra's brain. Dude is scary
I’ve always loved DC more than Marvel and it pains me to see the movies do terrible at the box office and not pulling good ratings. Hopefully James Gunn give these amazing heroes the justice they deserve.
I think you mean the DCEU. Not the DCU.
I’ve always said DC’s Animated movies run laps around any of the live action stuff. It’s a shame they aren’t nearly as well known in popular culture; Under the Red Hood is one of my favorite DC movies of all time
Personally, I'll take a CGI monster final battle over yet another CGI mirror match final battle.
Went to see wakanda forever, realized we were in black Adam by accident , we were the only ones in there, and promptly switched
Definitely disagree with the Zack Snyder hate train assessment but the rest of DC's problems and the DCU's future? Spot on.
Hate train is deserved .snyder wanted to make cringe version of JL
@sgn14aww 😂
Anyone notice how the woke left did NOT cancel Ezra Miller after literally assaulting a woman, on camera?
WHO specifically are you talking about? Because everyone who isn’t in the industry absolutely was not on his side so don’t make this about politics dude 😂
Ezra has not been cast in any more movies, the latest entries of his two major franchises (Flash and Fantastic Beasts) were absolute box office disasters (the people have spoken), every single bad thing he did was reported by the news, and his name is now synonymous with choking women. How is this NOT being cancelled, exactly? Ezra miller is not and never has been an A-list actor- what were you expecting, Kevin Spacey / Johnny Depp levels of press coverage? He’s not famous or well-liked enough, and never was
@@danielgraham1082
Go away.
@@Max-qt5lb
How many woketards have you seen demanding he be fired? How many woketards have you seen call him a scumbag? How many outlets or platforms have you seen censor or banish him, like they have done so openly, NOW, with Russell Brand?
"Reporting" on something is not "cancelling" someone. Not giving someone part by itself is not "cancelling" someone (like you said, he's not A-list anyway). Plenty of actors are not getting a lot of parts despite not being "cancelled."
The only ones openly condemning him have been, for the most part, people on the right.
The woketard left has been more brutal to Gina Carano (do you think SHE is an a-lister?) over some pronouns than they been close to being with Ezra Miller over legit assault.
P.S. it's just been about a year or so and there's a strike. Not exactly "proof" that he's not getting any more work.
Henry Cavill deserved a MoS trilogy. It pisses me off that WB just disregarded his ideas for MoS 2 as well.
I really liked him as Superman and they wasted him so epically. He's Superman, he should've gotten at least two movies, same with Batman. It hurts more because he genuinely cares for the roles he plays. First this, then the Witcher. If anyone's planning a Warhammer 40000 series, they better get that right or he'll murder them all.
What is the point?
DCEU is dead courtesy of james gunn.
So what is the point of watching it?
Well, not quite YET, but soon. He's already been feeding it arsenic by getting rid of Henry Cavill.
@@andrewcurlutu6422he got rid of worst superman .good riddance 😂
I think the DC Universe a has a lot of potential and go to many different genres like horror with some Batman stories and Swamp Thing and fantasy like with Wonder Woman.
*HAD
Their only potential now is to sell it on the cheap to Apple or someone stupid enough to buy it.
@@g.e.o.r.g.e...why would anyone be stupid to buy it?
@@joshuataylor7443 buy it for what purpose lol? It wouldn't make any money for years and would surely have a price tag in the neighborhood of Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm.
Look how well that turned out for them. Someone other than Apple would also come to the table with ridiculously long terms that would eat into their ask with crazy inflation.
If it's a tall order for the company that built these characters to make any sort of profit, why would a new guy be any better at it?
Everybody and their momma now says Snyder had a vision, and it should have played out. Fact is, general MCU loving audiences did not like the dark and gritty MoS or BvS. You can lie and say the movies were bad, or Snyder had a hand in bringing down the genre, but that is BS. The MCU and it's cookie cutter fast food factory movies did it. Movie goers that accepted dumb movies because they were "fun/funny" did it. Not Snyders misunderstood (at the time) vision for DC. Not enough action maybe, but do not fault the movie for your short attention span.
Hack snyder has iq of 69 so is his fandom .is sad his fandom still think he can make good movies .general audience want good movies snyder made dogfood
Snyder had a vision it was eating dogpoo
Lucy Liu straight up triggered my PTSD from season 8 of Game of Thrones a batshit insane woman on a dragon arbitrarily destroying a city for no justifiable reason
2:04 that's not actually true. After BvS came suicide squad which made 800mill then Aquaman that made 1billion. It was the tonal shift that started to put everyone off.
Your logic for Zack being the one to destroy the superhero genre doesn't make sense when he was fired in 2017, WB had plenty of oppertunities to course correct since then so how does that fall on zack?
Legacy flops......
these mfs : Snyder ruined the brand 😭😭😭
Snowball effect my guy, I state it right in the video.
BvS (which had batman, superman and wonder women) only made 800 mil. in the same year where Zootopia, jungle book and even secret life of pets earned more. Also it was universally agreed to be a critical failure.
Snyder Cult are salty in the comments
Marvel has been getting dangerously close to killing their own MCU franchise..... They've been a shadow of their previous awesomeness for quite a while now.... putting out disappointment after meh... After underwelmer for some time.... Often feeling like the formula is the same... The jokes and emotional hooks are more contrived and the inspiration is just kind of D.O.A.
Maybe it's also superhero burnout..... Finally taking hold.
I was thinking recently, I could see a reversal where DCU the up making the better movies...
The question is will it be doomed anyway... From too big a hole to crawl out of and superhero fatigue....
Zack Snyder wasn't responisble for any DC Failures it was Joss Whedon who ruined the JL Film
Isn't "Justice League" the only DC movie Whedon directed? The other movies sucked too; Snyder's vision of the characters doomed them from the get-go.
@@chaoticstarfish3401they weren’t for everyone but tonally were the same. Which was good since those movies should be direct sequels to each other. Zack wasn’t the problem and never was. It was WB.
So Batman vs Superman wasn’t a failure….?
That's like saying "the antibiotic is what gave me the fever"
Snyder's vision was sh*t even from the beginning. Man of Steel was sh*t and Batman vs Superman was sh*t. They brought in Whedon hoping he'll do some damage control but he couldn't. JL ended up being sh*t anyway and JL Snyder cut was slightly less smelly sh*t but sh*t nonetheless.
BvS already ruined some expectations about the future of DC especially in making Batman look like a terrorist who shoots people left and right
All this effort just to justify the failure of the upcoming DCU by blaming it on Zack Snyder despite him leaving years ago and multiple retcons and reboots happened. Was this fan funded by "the real DC fans"
Yes he was .snyder is a hack who ruined batman , superman , lex , flash , joker , doomsday , wonder woman (yeah dont think i forgot her blowing up the building to stop it from being blow up )😂
@@Chadcat180 hack, comic accuracy, destruction, blah blah blah. Typical Snyder hater broken record. Nothing relevant to say.
@@ymisocool lets start then .mos is the worst superman movie where pa kent dies cuz superman didnt hear a tornado from a mile away with his super hearing .lets start bvs when u are ready
@@maaadcity781 you ended it yourself. Anyone with a brain who watched the movie knows why pa Kent died. And at that point Superman had no intentions to let his powers loose and he was suppressing it for years. But keep up the hate boner. And enjoy the video. It was made for your kind.
@@ymisocool just like i thought kid has 50iq .nobody knows why pa kent died .psycho kent dies bcuz superman didnt hear a tornado from a mile away .u literally ignored the plothole i mentioned .
bro the reboot hasn’t even started, don’t shit on something you haven’t seen
Ironic because you obviously didn’t watch the video.
@@TheMovieCynic your title of the video says otherwise
@@TheMovieCynic ur title says something else
@@demotxcs isn't it called dcu or dceu
@@sarov7658 the dceu is the old cinematic universe they tried building, the dcu is the new rebooted universe
Well, at least watching the bad DCEU movies led me back to rewatching the good old animated DC shows and films.
The Batman and Joker are safe bets for WB. They're still trying to copy the success of the Dark Knight trilogy. There was no risk in making these movies. They have no clue how to take the time to build up a cinematic universe, and lay the foundation. They can't do, it's not possible because WB wants to make Avengers level money without putting in the work. Another 10 years down the drain.
EXACTLY! beautiful worded. The problem since day 1 since 2013 is WB was jealous of marvel and wanted to get in the game ASAP. The problem is besides man of steel and they just jumped straight into BVS and JL. They should have been much more patient and at least given us 2 ben Affleck batman solo films 2 superman films and maybe a flash and aqua man and ww film THEN you collaborated them. I will just add the only 1 single thing WB did right was casting. I think each of the 6 main character were all geniusely casted and yes imma be honest I liked Ezra millers performances (I know hes a terrible person) but he is really good. Ben and Henry are the greatest and for the other 3 I don't know who else you would cast
How you gonna hate on Zack Snyder when he made the best movies in the DCU 😂
U meant worst .mos is the worst superman movies bvs is one of the worst movies in general while snyder cut is laughbly bad movie but kids compare it to joss cut and say its good 😂
@@Chadcat180 Hmm, I'm a bit curious, what exactly is bad about Zack Snyder's Justice League? I can see not liking some aspects of Batman V. Superman even though I liked the Ultimate Edition, but Zack Snyder got pretty much everything right when it came to Zack Snyder's Justice League. It's one of the best team-up superhero movies ever made.
@@actualnotanewbie its dogfood .u just have dogfood taste let me explain .snyder is a hack .cheap version of avengers .oh no villain with horns trynna find boxes to impress big baddie and has family issues then 6 heroes come together to stop him .at the 3rd act strongest member comes back and beat him easily .i can go more further if u want
@@maaadcity781 please do, cuz you really didn't explain how it's bad in any way 😂
@@actualnotanewbie i already did but its okay .ww blowing up a building to stop terrorists from blowing it up 😂kAl eL nO , ww goes Ahahahahah , flash touches hotdogs while groaping women , women sniff sweaters , darkseid has dimentia , flash turn back time ruining the stakes , it was a disaster
one of my biggest gripes with shazam 2 was that it was basically a rehash of the first one with way too many leads and redundancy of powers. I was really hoping that the second kid would be the villain: he loves the lime light and attention from saving people so he starts creating his own disasters to save people from. Then he discovers he's able to steal the powers of his brothers/sisters...then it's just super shazam vs shazam. i don't know how to resolve this outside "don't be a dick" but i think that would have been a lot more compelling than oh look, another wizard. bad joke, bad joke, bad joke.
"The Batman" was done completely right.... The same with "The Joker" those are two characters truly saving DC movies. Wonder Woman was alright but They butchered it with part 2 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ They just need to leave all a cringey jokes/ terrible awkward acting and terrible video game like CGI out of Hero/Comic Book Movies
Nice one, Suicide Squad was not a sequel, it was a roboot that was needed and a soft interview for Gunn.
HOrrible take on Snyder and I'm not even his fan.
indeed you can't blame him for movies that are coming out years after his involvement in the brand you have to hold the actual people accountable the people who made those movies
Oh don't lie to yourself. You're in a cult.
Says the snyder shill
Same here dude.
There were no solo Batman movies only one Superman solo movie, no build up for the next Justice League (as far as I'm aware). In a DC CINEMATIC UNIVERSE. Instead we got multiple movies of niche characters... What ?
Is it strange to want a movie that isn't some kind of extended universe and isn't another origin story?
Another batman origin story? Yes sir
@@Bleu_sky I really do not want to watch another movie of Batman. He’s so disgusting at this point there’s nothing interesting to say about the character whatsoever.
Seriously, Batman, Finatticz, or zealots are the worst
@@Christian_Ada1 ?
The fact they have a movie in the slate titled “Waller” kills me
It is like having a Star Wars movie named Jar Jar. Actually, Waller is a series, but I can't stand the fact that we have confirmed a series about a D-list character and there is no clue about Wally West, the Teen Titans or even Constantine.
It’s supposed to a show on Max a spin off of a spin off in Peacemaker
@@loganwithlightsabers3051Hmmmm....in that case, I'll take "Things People Couldn't Possibly Care Less About" for $2K, Alex.
Waller is lot better character than any character snyder has ever done
@@Chadcat180that literally and factually makes no sense. You’re just a Snyder hating npc
Blaming BVS is silly. The movie and one’s right after did well.
WB mishandling the next 8 movies is what did it obviously. Blaming the 2nd movie that did very well? Gtfoh
No just no
This dude just wants to be edgy. He didn’t even mention the snyder-cut.
Snyder cut was dogfood and bvs is so cringe .ding ding ding
Snyder didn't ruin the franchise, it was the studio mismanagement
Why wont you refer to Escum Miller as a hurr durr dey/dem, like what YMS does? Virtue signaling is very important!
I'm tired of ppl confusing DCEU with DCU. If you can keep up with MCU timelines, you can understand two different studio names. DCEU is dead, DCU literally hasn't even started.
No matter what anyone says, Henry Cavill is and will be my favorite superman. They didn't do him justice.
Definitely the worst Superman. Had he been working with others he would probably be the best
Worst superman and a wooden actor .read some comics yuck
Worst superman ever .and cavil is a mid actor with wooden acting
Look at all these 2 "Kalelno" + "maadcity780" Zack Snyder haters
Appeared everytime anywhere there are ZSJL review there are them
hence, even this Kalelno saying "I Am A Bot", then this guy spamming hate like a true bot all over the comment section
talk about irony
(don't worry, *i saw*, i saw more than 2, there are many more, Herolos or Herios something with the corgi dog thumbnail, this one is also the Snyder hater spreading across the somment section, not only this video but other)
@@nguyenquangvinhAnother get a life
I hope novel adaptations make comeback. But again, given Hollywood's writing levels when it comes to these, I have little hope for them either.
Movies are more about selling products then story telling
It won’t be a flop if Gunn hires award winning writers/screenwriters and directors + market the movies ofc.
Gunn already has the audience shown on the Peacemaker series, DC fans, and regular movie goers.
@@ZappaGetSlappa MCU films are failing financially because they suck, care more about politics than the source material
I was just reading how Batman in the DCU is already running into trouble over how to introduce Robin without it being problematic.
honestly don't know why they care- we all know that bruce has issues bro was pumping himself full of drugs in the last one they made.
How can batman in the dcu be in trouble, per say, if we even haven't gotten a glimpse of the first official dcu film....superman legacy..?
lol it makes total sense why they would start with damien .cuz pattinson exists and u dont need loner 2 batmen and robert may have a robin in 2nd part too