TV Antennas are COMING BACK! - ATSC 3.0 Explained
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When he said “speaking of which” I thought he was gonna segue into a sponsor spot
lol yeah and the funny thing is I saw this comment before he said that and when he said it I was actually ready for the sponsor talk......
who on this entire planet says segue
@@Bluman2 you and davasg96 so far
Bluman hi bluman. Meet blumac
@@Bluman2 People who speak English I guess? It's not a rare word
Can't wait to watch 40 minutes of adverts in my 60 minute TV show in 4K.
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At least when you cut the cord you're not paying to watch them.
@@littlerhino2006 so does cutting the cord mean you also don't have internet? Who doesn't have internet in this day and age?
@@jyuppiter4540 you seem to live in a very loud and dystopian future. How awkward having to wear earplugs all the time.
When have they played more commercials than content. Hint, infomercials. Please tell me you don't love Ron Popeil or the Slap Chop / ShamWow guy. I say he can do all the ads.
Thanks for bringing this subject to light. I've been trying to inform people about OTA TV for about a year now but your RUclips reach will definitely get more people aware than my channel.
Honestly, it still surprises me that people don't know about TV antennas! Come on people, free access to important information is a right! Pay TV is a luxury not a necessity!!!
I currently use an antenna. I live on my farm here in the Midwest. I think the best part of antenna is tgat it doesn't go out when you're in a severe thunderstorm. Which means I don't lose signal of the local weather station reporting live on where the tornados are. Also, he needed to fix one thing in the beginning of the video, while it is 1080, it's 1080 interlaced not progressive.
I certainly was happy to dump overpriced CABLE years ago and get free HDTV over the air. OTA 4-ever!
HOLY POOP YOU'RE HERE! I watch your videos!
Linus: tv antenna's are coming back!
UK: erm....they didn't leave? 🤷♂️
I'd bet more people still watch on antenna than cable/satellite in the US as well.
The UK has a higher population density than the United States. If you live in America is exurbs you probably won't get all the nearest big city's signals but you will be able to get cable or satellite and in rural America satellite is pretty much all you have. Also, Americans watch sports to a much higher degree than people in the UK and if you're a Dallas Cowboys football fan who moved to Miami the only way you'll be able to follow the out-of-state team you really love is to get a satellite and get a good sports package.
Boomers man, if you only knew how bad it is.
Exactly. Physics hasn't changed, just the marketing and sales pitches.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 the trend has been shifting but depending on where you look at the source of the data, there are shows that have more audience draw from cable, like in New York and L.A. and mostly on the more popular shows, the percentage is much higher over cable. But when you look at the draw on ethnic channels (those that aren't carried on cable) the OTA numbers are flipped the other way around, and we also see high rural TV numbers where cable doesn't go. It's mostly common sense the viewer habits have only changed for those who have the option to change their TV habits, they have more disposable income or want more " a la cart channels" and the internet provides.
Ads will be streamed via the internet? So we can just disable ads by turning off WiFi just like with these crappy phone games?
I'm into that!
Probably not. Watching ads will probably be a requirement.
I'm guessing if you turn off the internet it will default to their generalized ads.
@@demikus Loopback + Pihole?
@@nororlol4life819 humm would be worth testing out
This whole episode I was asking myself if the add is over the internet why isn't the content also over the internet...
I can just see it now....My dad wrapping it in tin foil and making me stand on a chair with it with
one leg in the air holding it as high as I can to get the clearest picture.
My granddad used to make me do the same in 80s and 90s, the poor bastard died before digital (31.12.99 ironically), at least then it would have been picture or no picture rather than, "no, move more I think we can get it clearer"
I never understood that either. Rig something up so you don't have to hold it there like a chump...
@@InfernosReaper We live in a valley so if the transmitter was down all we could do was improvise an antenna to get a crappy signal from one miles away (you ended up with local news from a town a hundred miles away)...Satellite and Cable is much bigger now in the UK so thankfully it's not so much of an issue. Not that I watch much TV personally, prefer Netflix, Prime and RUclips, of course.
@@InfernosReaper there are plenty of things that caused that. The rig is damaged,you rent, or your broke
With a pair of vice grips clamped to the metal stem where the knob used to be.
Sweet. I can watch my reruns of SmallVille, House, Knight Rider, A-Team, MASH, Reba, and all the other free local antina shows in some ganky 4K upscaler and FPS upscaler. With the occasional movie that came out 4 years ago.
antenna can be used as digital tv.. alot of country had that as option
You don't want the watch Jurassic park 2 for the 16th time!!
and wake up in the middle of the night with a loud ass tv with 'GIRLS GONE WILD" on it.
You can do that now by feeding into an upscaler. They're talking about true 4K, like the premium packages for cable and satellite. I don't see them using the 120hz feature, though.
And people use antennas for news, which is the only use for traditional TV nowadays.
*antenna
"No subscription"
Cries in TV licence
Can't you get away with not paying that by just telling them you don't have any TVs? I heard they aren't legally able to check. Don't quote me on that though
8-Bit Squirrel TV/radio license are part of taxes here in Sweden now :/
Isn't it like $30 a year or something, and in exchange all the channels are commercial-free?
@@stevethepocket In Ireland it's €160 a year and you will be dragged to court if you don't pay, regardless of whether or not you own a TV, as they've made it so that you have to pay the license fee if you CAN receive a signal, and that includes just having internet, owning a PC, having an aerial connection in your walls, etc. And there are adverts shown on our domestic channels. Hopefully when UK gets rid of theirs we'll follow suit, but I won't be holding my breath.
They say no subscription, or 'free to play' but get you for still paying a subscription for certain sports events, higher resolution, etc. They did it here in Europe, they do it in Videogames.
So basically we are going back to antennas again
those good old days are beautiful
Digital
Not really, TV is dying off
We never really stopped using antennas. You smartphone & home wifi are basically wireless radios.
it never even went away to begin with, youv'e always been able to hook up an antenna and get a few dozen digital HD channels for free.
next up: black/white movies
ATSC 3.0: personilised ads will be streamed over wifi/ethernet
So Pi-hole will work with it? nice
If they did that i'd give it like 2 weeks tops before someone figures out a patch for Pi-hole that lets the check through but still blocks the ads.
So you will have a 10 minute black screen untill the program is back on?
@@gataitai better yet custom content
@@gataitai better than listening to some idiot trying to sell you something.
@@ReptilianLepton Solution to Evil solution: URL matching
Solution to Solution to Evil solution: Let's use the same endpoint
Solution to Solution to Solution to Evil solution: SSL Inspection and filtering
How TV has transformed:
* Antenna
* Cable
* Streaming
* Cable 2.0 (streaming wars)
* Antenna?
I'm beginning to see a pattern here I'm not sure I like (meme reference).
Later on, we'll get Analog Color TV. Then, Mechanical again.
Nipkow discs FTW!
The "(meme reference)" ruined it.
"meme reference" you don't say
digital antennas.
2:45
"your antenna can send a signal back to TV station"
I think you meant to say ...
"your TV sends a signal via the internet back to the station".
ya and i for one am NOTok feeding my activities into yet another database
@@danialhowe9814 This new database could never rival what the other tech giants already have on you. Might as well embrace it, if you like the technology.
Surveillance systems in public already knows you are just like in China.
@@RyanGrissett there are ways around most of them. tracker/add blocking browser goes a long way. Then not using google, apple, microsoft software or tech. Patching your motherboard firmware to rip out the intel/amd spyware. Then use a VPN and/or tor connection... Then still they have ways to somewhat track you but it will be a lot less. It is so difficult to live this way though. They will just invent more and more ways to collect your information when nobody asked for it like 5G.
Yeah guess im not buying a smart tv
I haven’t watched TV in years
@@Alongfortheride693 There are demographic breakdowns of tv viewership out there, last one I remember stated african americans watch 40 hours a week of tv, a full work week, the correlations between success and viewership are predictable. TV is cancer.
I only watch RUclips and have been since the late 2000's
I use my tv for netflix XD
Netflix and Hulu count as Tv
@@sm1522 us zoomers call cable tv..tv hulu and netflix are subscriptions for us
Wait wait wait. So you are telling me that now that the streaming wars are decimating streaming we are probably headed back to over the air? It's going to be funny AF if that ends up being the case.
yes you will see Cable Content on your LIVE HDTV, some will be FREE channels like Cozi tv or COMET tv others will be Subscription based content or Pay Pre View.
you will need a Wire Broadband connection to get 4K Movies Delivered as well as Targeted Weather and Targeted Emergency INFO.
TV Antennas never went away ,we just waited for all you people to get fed up with cable and satellite bs !
Yep. Been Antennaing (With Netflix and Redbox and MythTV) since the mid 2000s.
I have an Antenna.
How true.
And radio amateurs /ham radio operators are still using the old NTSC and PAL systems witch they call ATV(amateur tv)
I tried an antenna for the first time in a while on a crappy small HD set, I was blown away at the quality, the uncompressed feed looked amazing. It's especially aparant any time there's high detail, like confetti all over the place, cable can't handle it at all without falling apart.
2:40 ahh, cool! So I just disconnect my internet whenever is the offchanse I actually want to watch some TV-channel! Nice heads-up!
*off chance
Nah, I'm sure the new standard will require new hardware, which will send the signals regardless....
In those cases there will almost be guaranteed some "default" ads that will be played, instead of the personalized stuff.
@@ERROR_-_404 Yeah, there's some "Joel Wilhite" in the comments who claims to work in the broadcast industry and seems to drink, sweat, and piss the cool aid, and that was his response: if you turn off your wifi, then targeted ads will be replaced by default ones.
Love the channel
Side note: After the industry's resistance to any improvements, I was immediately suspicious, & of course my concerns are confirmed as we find they can track you even faster & more completely with it.
They COULD POSSIBLY track you. You'd need to have the antenna and Wi-Fi linked. If you use the antenna by itself, it can't pass data back to the transmission station. He alluded to that being a possibility, but it's not likely.
Keep your head up king, your tinfoil hat is falling
@@xenonram I suspect to use this new standard, you'd need new hardware, which would in turn have what's necessary to do that.
When you consider that the only real support is coming from Nextar and Sinclair, that's a reason to be suspicious!
Be nice to have decent TV again out here in the boonies!
＼(°o°)／
The industry is finally fixing a major mistake they made over 20 years ago.
8VSB, the modulation scheme used in ATSC 1.0, behaves terribly in the face of multipath interference, which is why DTV reception is problematic in many cities. OFDM is much better, so signal dropouts should be much less of a problem.
Sinclair, one of the major advocates for the 3.0 transition, petitioned the FCC back in 1999 to drop 8VSB and redo the standard to use OFDM after early testing showed just how badly 8VSB behaved. Early tests in Europe clearly demonstrated the superiority of OFDM, which was being tested in early deployments of DVB-T, the standard used there at the time. (Most broadcasts has since shifted to an updated standard, DVB-T2.) At the time there were only a few test broadcasts on the air and nearly no receivers owned by consumers. But broadcasters and technology companies that had already made investments in 8VSB opposed the change and the FCC denied the petition in 2000, despite the fact that it was still early enough in the process to change course.
The FCC chose 8VSB (and affirmed the choice in denying the Sinclair petition) because it was a good solution to the wrong problem. 8VSB was more power efficient than OFDM was at the time, which meant that reception in distant areas was better. The FCC was concerned that some rural viewers would lose TV service in the digital transition. But they ignored the fact that much larger numbers of urban viewers effectively lost TV service because of multipath; the problem was not lack of signal strength, it was too much interference from signals bouncing off buildings. Furthermore, those city people often could not subscribe to cable because the owners of their building chose not to allow it, and couldn't install satellite dishes because they had no suitable place to put them or lived in a location that did not have a view of the correct part of the sky, and if cable was available it was usually a monopoly. Meanwhile the rural viewers could have easily installed larger antennas or switched to satellite TV, which at least had two providers in the US.
Because of the large shared border and the fact that a large percentage of the population is in range of US broadcasts, Canada generally follows the lead of its larger neighbor to the south. Mexico also followed the lead of the US, along with the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas. South Korea is the only notable user of the standard outside North America (apologies, Suriname).
Thanks for sharing this.
Sorry i speaks PAL
ATSC: Look, I'm still relevant on DTT!
DVB-T/DVB-T2 and ISDB-T: Pfft, hahahahahahaha!!!!!
If I have to plug in to the internet to get specific channels behind adwalls, I'm not touching it in a million years.
DNS level adblocker so you can enjoy a few minutes of silence while your tv desperately hunts for the ads
@@allisondoak9425 make it so that it sticks a relaxing video of the breeze caressing the meadow grass in its place
So... Just like cable TV and every streaming service that has a free option.
ATSC 3.0 is broadcast based not internet based. Unlike the various streaming services you pay per month for exclusive content or ludicrously expensive cable TV packages you just buy the hardware once and that is it. In the future it will come with your TV.
@@bl8danjil Yes, but I hate targeted ads, and I don't use any streaming platforms that target me with in-content ads. I even opted out of Google ad preferences because I was sick of it. The worry I have is that broadcasters will make deals with broadcast manufacturers to provide encrypted OTA channels which require giving up your data for a subscription. It's a nightmare scenario, but with this internet feedback mechanism it is technically feasible. It's just cable with extra steps.
@@gajbooks I see. Hopefully we get a choice whether to receive generic ads related to the programming like it has always been or person specify ads.
bruh i've been using an antenna my whole life, still use it today
It's funny how people more or less forgot antennas exist for the past 20 or so years.
Im still using the antenna my dad installed in the 70s.😨
@@machinist7230 if it ain't broke, don't fix it
@@liamdancer8531 i still want to replace it with one of those big winegard roof antennas as the picture goes to shit on the farther stations anytime the weather turns nasty.
Off-air TV never actually died, just like vinyl records. I never stopped collecting them, either.
Everyone: wow 4k
Radio scared people: my tinfoil hat is humming...
RUclips Channel, AntennaMan, has been publishing many videos on this subject to keep antenna TV users up to speed. Very good channel.
Yeah, I thought of him when they put that cheap antenna on the screen. People should never buy that one.
@@HowToX I agree...
@@garygarrett1867 Tyler's channel is awesome.
My opinion:
If it's somehow free or very cheap it's going to succeed, else it can't compete with the internet without shady politics.
It likely will be near free because the government paid for ASTC converter boxes for older TVs the last time a transition happened.
@@JohnBilkey There are no plans to do that this time around. For one thing, the switch is voluntary, not mandatory. And the last time it was a mess with people who didn't need the boxes getting them to sell on E-Bay while those who did need them couldn't get the coupons. And only the US had the program. Those in other countries had to pay out-of-pocket.
"free" products literally use shady politics..
If you aren't paying for a product then you are the product.
In some cases, both at the same time like in last year's sports games for consoles and EA's Star Wars: Battlefront.
Well, you WILL have to buy additional stuff like keycards like here in europe. Sure, Over the air TV is free here, but only in HD if you buy a HD+ keycard.
NOPE!
Siri, Alexa, Google, and Cortana already fight over who gets to eavesdrop on me.
I'm not going to let Nygma steal my brainwaves too.
Yeah but Ligma is already stealing them
@@ohnoitschris ha gotem
@@ohnoitschris w-whats ligma???
@@___echo___
No
Nice Batman Forever reference!
With great new technology comes great new privacy concerns.
- Linus , 2020
Just don't connect your tv to the internet.
Ads over wifi :((
My take on it is that it will be another smart device taking up way to many bandwidth
2:47 "The fact that your antenna can send a signal back to TV stations..."
Can someone confirm if this is actually true? Pretty sure 2 way communication only happens if the TV/Tuner is connected to the Internet.
It's an error.
The only thing I've ever heard about this is what's said in this video, but I'm quite confident the return communication is done over your internet connection. The antenna sending a return signal would mean it's got a rather powerful transmitter built into it, which doesn't seem like a viable business model to me. Imo, this seem like a kinda silly hybrid of a form of modified "wifi" if you will, and your regular internet connection.
It's true. There won't be as much dedicated upstream bandwidth as there will be downstream, of course, but a standard does exist: www.atsc.org/atsc-30-standard/a-3232018-dedicated-return-channel-for-atsc-3-0/
I personally have my doubts about how 100,000+ tuners (at least in certain markets) could simultaneously talk back to the transmitters with such limited bandwidth. Think about WiFi and how awful the the experience is when 50 people try to share 20 MHz. A TV channel (in the US, at least) Is 6 MHz...I can hardly imagine how you coordinate that many devices to share spectrum.
I forgot to say that just because the standard exists, that doesn't mean that everyone will implement it. Although having near realtime feedback about how many people are watching would be useful information for broadcasters (and Nielsen too, probably). That bit of info alone (as well as any other data that can be collected and sent back) would probably be highly motivational for broadcasters to implement the standard.
@@seanpalmer8472 Yeah, no way I see that getting implemented. The cost would be crazy to set up all the relays to have even a portion (no way they could get all) of customer's antennas to be close enough to register a return.
Interesting... were did I put my pirate tv station equipment again?
Lol.
If you decide to start again... Remember, that you'll also need a computer now.
Over-the-air is fully digital these days.
@@MirekFe Oh shot that's right. I wonder how long it would take to download a pirated one...
If you use analog for your pirate TV all TVs can recieve it, not just new ones that support ASTC 3.
TV antennas are coming back: *I sleep*
CRT TV’s are coming back: *R* *E* *A* *L* *S* *H* *** *T*
@@swamis1330 what the hell are you even talking about, almost none of what you said is correct...
Crt beats all other tv’s. You’d know if you played melee.
@@Hchris101 wrong have you seen an oled tv you will literally nit in you pants at the incredible colors they produce.
Melees like 20 years old
@@speedylordinc.3748 whoosh
i think...
i hope...
I just found your channel today and now I'm addicted. Good content!
wait..
I never stopped using TV antennas
It's a good thing I recently built an antenna out of some garbage I had lying around.
(and for whatever reason the garbage antenna I built works better than any antenna I've ever bought)
before everything went digital. I use a random copper clothing hanger attach to ether a cut cable wire or just copper wire that been Jerry rig to the tv. and not only did i get clearer pictures, but more channels compare to the Big rabbit ears that I have that can extend up to my height.
If it's like an old Yagi style antenna, it picks up both VHF and UHF signals, getting you all the channels available.
I like you :3
How exatly? I wanna know so I can DIY my own antenna.
How did you build your antenna? What is it made of and how large is it? I have a Clearstream 2V and it's great but heavily directional.
3:30 I have one of those TVs. Repurposed to a vintage B&W PC using a RPi4.
Honestly this sounds awesome. I'd like to see Ltt or short circuit do a follow up to this new standard in the future.
I wonder if you could use this to have your own local wireless “hdmi”/“display port” for a projector or even streaming from a home server to a tv.
Imagine linus’s single pc for a whole house but with this.
There’s already a rack mount tuner, Linus could probably do some magic with that
There are already DVB-T2 encoders so I expect there will be ATSC 3.0 too, but its illegal to broadcast without a license so they are intended for just sending custom content down coax. You don't really want to do it that way though as broadcast standards are very specific in how its encoded, I doubt you could simply re-mux your video files for lossless transmission.
This would literally only be useful if you want to beam the same content to multiple devices simultaneously. If you just want to get video to a single device, the TV apps / streaming devices already are vastly superior for this.
Alex Atkin i know for fm radio at least you are allowed to have your own local station that can’t be detected more than a couple meters away from it. But idk what it would for this. well gaming on a projector is more what i was thinking.
You can already do this with network and PCIE card tuners
@@alexatkin that would benefit to demo tv section of shops. They running coax analogue signal to modern 1080p tvs, and only few 4k run proper video stream from flash drive or even built-in.
Me: We don't need TV Antennas!
Also Me: Bring back TV Antennas!
Don't worry. Antenna TV isn't what it used to be.
@@MirekFe Yup. Digital shot that one right in the nuts.
@@MirekFe Yes, with tv stations able to multiplex several broadcasts at once with MeTV, Antenna TV, GetTV, Decades, Heroes & Icons, Comet TV, Retro TV, CoziTV, Laff, ThisTV, Movies!, and too many others to mention.
I actually see this and hear "great for weather warnings"
-goes further than traditional broadcast tv
-can be tailored to location
Means it can be used with the newer polygon systems they've developed and it could literally be delivered over someone's phone or tv, simultaneously.
I would totally stick an antenna to my phone to watch high quality shows with no data limit. That's sick.
This seems similar to DVB-T2 and we've had that for some years. Also the original DVB-T broadcasting is being shut down in my country.
Yes. Europe has had this kind of TV of years but North America is very technologically backwards.
Just a shame that all that extra bandwidth that could be used to improve picture quality is just used to cram in more channels at the same, old, crappy bitrate
ziomalisty It’s no different than today’s standard lol. DBV-T2 only goes up to FHD
@@xbraac Still. For how long you have free digital terrestrial TV in the North America?
@@ziomalisty They've had digital TV over ATSC for a long time but I think most people went to cable because that's the most popular way they access the Internet as well.
Here in Europe cable never was super popular so we went for DVB-T and fiber instead.
There are already USB-C, Micro-USB tuners for Android phones that support ATSC/DVB-T/T2 standards. The problem is - they are battery hogs and getting hot as hell.
And Atsc 1.0 sucks when it comes to mobile
Victor - North America does NOT use DBV-T standard, that would be Europe and Canada.
North America has ATSC 1.0 and by MAY 2020 NEW ATSC 3.0/1.0 Receivers built into HDTV.
LG has ZX Series 77", 88", and 88" OLED.
WX Series 65" Wallpaper Disaplay.
and GX Series 55" , 65", and 77" OLED.
Samsung has Q950 TS - 65'', 75", and 85".
Q900 8K and Q800 8k.
SONY seems to be the ONLY Reasonable entry with X900H 55", 65", 75", and 85" 4K LCD Display.
Because ATSC 3.0 Signal is Exceptionally Robust the Receiver can be Really Efficient and compact.
the ATSC 3.0 Signal can reach DEEP into Basements and into Buildings.
and for the First time we will have a TRUE Mobile HDTV with Error Correction for Multipath and Interference.
this means Future Mobile devices can Receive NEXTGEN TV on the go, in Trains, Buses and Cars.
There are wireless TV tuners that have their own battery (Siano Mobile TV)
@3:16 remember when you could get an antenna to turn your Game Gear into a TV? That's right the Game Gear is better than an iPhone.
Yeah bring back the analogue
Korean phones have had TV since 2005. It's an interesting standard - they're essentially sending a MPEG transport stream containing H.264 video and AAC audio over a broadcast network that operates in parallel to the mobile data network, so you don't get clobbered by mobile data charges. The initial standard was rather low resolution at 240p but it has since been extended to HD. It sort of makes sense in Seoul where you can watch it on the subway.
ATSC seems like an attempt to stop move from broadcast TV to cable and Internet-based services like Netflix and Amazon.
Since TV antennas are coming back, we need pop up headlights to comeback!
Pop up headlights in cars is never coming back due to bad aerodynamics.
@@iMadrid11 and the safety concerns. imagine a pedestrian hitting that nice pointy headlight at 30mph
@@gibdopaminepls pretty sure i'd be more scared of getting hit by a 1 ton car at 30mph than the little headlights
@@capsulate8642 and if the last decade's motor vehicle form factor trends have shown anything, there's plenty of that
@@herranton Also, in some countries (like Switzerland) you need to have your headlights on all the time (even during the day). This is to increase visibility and I can confirm that this helps a lot. And that regulation kills popup headlights as well.
Can't wait to intercept ad requests on my router and replace them with meme videos
which router does that?
@@prydzen most decent ones, especially with custom fw
I actually have one of those black and white portable CRT’s. I bought it for $4 at a thrift store a few months ago and we played Double Dash it in split screen. Each of us had 2x4 inches of screen real estate. Good times I recommend it for $4
Damn this is actually amazing. Needed this for a long long time.
this is not NEW, Japan has had Analog HDTV since 1986 !
and in the 1990's was Upgraded to Digital HDTV, then they came out with 1seg CAR Recivers, many Japanese Cellphones had Built in TV Receivers .
>never ending spaghetti trough
where
when
I'm there
I have a TV antenna on my OLED for when my cable goes down.
I'm reminded of a time when our satellite went down while I was watching something and I realized after five minutes that I could have watched the rest with an antenna.
I also use it for live sports. Antenna gets the feed the fastest. FiOS is a good 10 seconds behind and I can sometimes hear my neighbors cheering.
Sports live on Antenna is better picture quality as well compared to Cable
Justin Griffin
Depends on your tv.
My 1080p tv in my kitchen has a better picture than my 4K OLED because TV is broadcasted in 720p.
@@ItzTruthHurts well all of the TV stations where I live broadcast in 1080i which is still better resolution than 720p although the interlacing creates some blurryness.
Your audio quality is so superb.
@1:21 what is the movie/show that is being shown with the Blu-ray and HDR comparison?
Huh, maybe TV has actually found a way to compete again. Let's see how they screw it up, this should be good
responding to the speculation toward the end that ats tuners might be integrated into phones ---isn't that already done in japan or something?
It's such a crime that we never got that here.
Did you also know that China's had 16K televisions for sale for a few years?
Great video! You mentioned that it was possible to get up to 120hz. I was wondering if you could do a video on 120hz, since it seems to be the next new mainstream thing coming to phones and other devices.
Keep up the great work!
I miss my little hand held TV I had when I was in the Navy 30 years ago! I would love to see them come back where you can just be out anywhere in a tent back in the old days and just watch over the air TV for free. Especially in those spots where internet isn't working so well. Loved that small portable TV Linus you showed. I use to have one when I was a teenager and loved it. I may have only gotten 5 or 6 channels back in that time, but sure was nice! The Smurfs on Channel 2 were always fun to watch! Haha!
They'll never come back. Though, you could download all your favourite shows and movies onto a portable hard drive for when your connection sucks-ass while camping.
Gentlemen, please hold on to your antennas while watching this video. I mean the old TV antenna in your attic.
😄 Yup the broken aluminium pipes. The flat cable, to tune into the wonderful news programme "khas khabar"
@@gamingwithxan1430 hahaha
Korean smartphones have been able to pickup broadcast TV for years.
I think in 2012 I've watched normal TV in Austria... I am not 100% sure.
I believe they've had 3.0 or something similar for some time.
Does Samsung count? 🇰🇷📱🇰🇷
Nick Karaoke T-DMB FOR 240p broadcast. Just like the resolution of ISBD-T 1SEGin the Philippines and Japan. Featured on MyGica WiTV.
Depends where you are. There was only 4 main local channels here in Winnipeg for years, one moved 2 hours away and one moved their tower several miles out of town. They are required to broadcast in OTA but only so far. So in town I get CBC English and French and Global Tv. CTV might be possible from a rooftop antenna in the south end but I haven't seen it. I have no idea where the ' 100's ' of free channels advertised on the antenna package is, but it's not here.
Question: What are some of the most antenna-friendly 4k TV sets? (Shows detailed signal strength/Boosting).
When do we get smartphones with broadcast TV?
bl8danjil apps support live tv
There were smart phones with analogue TV 5 years ago, I owned one. But at the time my country closed analogue TV and went digital DVB-T2 phone makers stopped. I guess it's technically too difficult to put DVB-T2 into phones, maybe an aerial thing.
@@diamondarrow4567 Only a few channels and they aren't region specific. On Pluto TV most are from RUclips or pre recorded clips.
Where's DVB-T3? 😅
We've never stopped using TV antennas and over the air here in the UK and I doubt we ever will. Plenty of top quality content, unlike the US.
I'm looking forward to ATSC 3.0, as I currently use OTA for watching football games. I don't have a 4k TV but the vastly improved signal strength is a huge plus.
4K resolution and 4K the amount of ads between the ads between the 2 minute chunks of actual shows
nah
How many channels do you have ?
No
About watching over the air TV on a cell phone, in Brazil they use mostly the same broadcast system as Japan and it already have a mobile system. Most phones designed for the Brazilian market will include a tv tuner
My family currently only streams and watches OTA TV (Jeopardy, Goldbergs, local news/weather, awesome PBS documentaries and stuff). It'd be nice to have a means to block the intrusive ads, though, and I'm sure a workaround like the PiHole would be beneficial.
i love over the air tv. every time a car drives by the to starts displaying a snow storm.
ATSC 3 won't be like that. ATSC 1, that we have now, is all or nothing. 3 is more like the old days where the signal/picture will degrade with distance or interference but not just freeze.
Watching TV on a 720p OTA channel is beautiful. Any signal coming through satellite or cablebox is compressed.
Facts. I watch football on OTA because of the better picture quality and faster feed.
Yes and in some cases you can watch stuff that is not on the cable. Small local stations from the next town over are sometimes not on the cable.
Hate to break it to you, but ATSC 1.0 is compressed (MPEG-2), especially if they have multiple SD or or one other HD sub channels. TV stations love the additional revenue stream available through multicasting, more than they care about fast action sports getting potato-cam quality video.
I figured this was only a matter of time. If there's a need we'll find a way to fill it. I hope to be able to utilize this in my area. (:
Why? It sounds terrible
Tuners in your phone for TV? Wasn't that tried already once with the Nokia N96 and it's DVB-H (part of the DVB-T standard which is the alternative to ATSC in Europe and the UK) tuner that maybe got tested but never became a thing?
so whats the point if you need internet isn't the entire point to be able to watch tv without anything else
You actually don’t need to plug-in your Internet in order to watch atsc 3.0
You don't _need_ it, you just get standard ads if you have no internet, but can't get previously cable and satellite-only subscription channels, like ESPN or HBO. Then again, if you're currently using ATSC 1, there would be no change in programming options (except maybe more channels)
You don't need internet with 3.0
You just won't have interactive capability.
Let's see how Comcast tries to make money off this... They manage to get there hands on everything
They make money from advertising. Unless they decide to make this like satellite tv, where you need a card to decode the signal.
Yep. They own the NBC network, and own a big amount of stations.
I cut the cord years ago. I live about 10 miles from NYC. Currently I receive about 80 channels OTA from a roof antenna. Also have 1 gig FIOS service. I have a streaming service for the TV and VoIP for home phone. The VoIP costs almost nothing and I get two phone numbers and unlimited calling in the US. Works really well once it is set up correctly. The VoIP is hooked to a home PBX so I have phones scattered around the house including a couple of rotary desk phones from the 1950s/60s for the LUZT. I'm looking forward to the new TV standard roll ouit.
They did a demo of on demand content delivery, 4K at 60fps, in Las Vegas, recently. It will be some time before this is widespread though. We are still in the demo / technology preview stages.
WE NEED THAT IN OUR PHONES
you will need a NEW Phone with a ATSC 3.0 Mobile Receiver.
mind you, the MOBILE component is Capped at only 2K Resolution for Smaller Screens.
Want an ad blocker for ATSC3.0, easy, don't plug it into the internets - bwahahahahaa.
I've got pihole installed
@Tuxpeng I have Pihole running on an old underclocked rpi, works for me.
Though anybody like ourselves would be using a TV as a glorified monitor and any smarts would be a hacked together home theatre system that we have all tweaked to the nth degree and probably spend more time hacking it than using it. But that is the fun of the geek and whilst the meek may inherit the earth, it is the geek that keeps it alive so there is something left to inherit ;).
If only it would be that easy, I would be willing to bet they will still have generalized ads that will play by default if the internet isn't connected.
@Demi Viral Yip, that would smart.
'Please connect to the internet in order to watch this content'
I was always an antenna guy until I moved into the big city and switched to cable and never really though of using an antenna again. I remember getting a new tv right after the switchover to all digital and and tried it with an cheap antenna couldn't pick anything up. So I stayed with cable all these years then recently I started hearing about this 3.0 standard coming out. Now I am obsessed over getting an antenna and I recently bought another antenna suddenly I am picking up all the local channels plus a bunch of others. When they switched to the patch type indoor TV antennas they seem to have made a huge jump forward to pick up local channels. Can't wait to watch sports in 4K.
Unfortunately sports will remain pay tv only as it gives the leagues a lot more profit than OTA.
Korea had something like this for phones back in the 2000's called DMB. Feature phones had antennas and you'd see people watching TV on them constantly. I think newer smartphones in Korea still support DMB but I'm not sure.
1.0 was a flop we lost our local tv when it rains and in the daytime.
So if it's going to deliver content over the air and personalized ads over wifi... Pi Hole, anyone?
They will play the ads at the same time across all devices, so while the personalized ads are playing, those who are unable to get personalized ads for whatever reason will just get regular ads.
Ding ding ding! The second I get an ATSC 3.0 tuner, I'm adding a blacklist to my Pi-Hole.
So would my current TV need converter when this becomes standard. Cause local channels are in 720p and 480. In my area
I like how there is an add with Linus in it on a LTT video
I can stick a $20 DVB-T2 stick to my android phone and receive live terrestrial television for free. Sometimes life in Europe is better :)
Explain.
@@hectormanuel8360 we got good coverage of DVB-T2 and it is so cheap and so long here that we can even have smartphone dongle.
"terrestrial television" that's a very weird way of phrasing it. hmm, perhaps you are not from this earth? (I'm joking, unless you happen to be Mark Zuckerberg).
@simonmana It is so standard it is the Wikipedia article's name with "over-the-air television (OTA)" an alternative, US-only, term.
CEPT and ETSI drew up 2,3,4G, DVB_T and DAB+ standards in some ways FCC and USA is backwards
Who cares it's been at least 6 years since I actually watched TV anyways, nowdays I just download/stream everything ad free
But you pay for that monthly. With OTA TV, you just pay for the antenna
@@BeauBrakman and with your nerves because your content gets interrupted every 10mins
Yarrr... Tis a swell life.
I been using an antenna for so long and been rocking with it
I already record my shows OTA with my TiVo Bolt OTA, and TiVo is now throwing in a local commercial at the beginning of many shows via internet (required to get program guides and skip functionality), but luckily you can skip this local commercial by just manually hitting the "skip" button. I still use my Radio Shack antenna mounted on the side of the house, but sticking up higher than the roof, and I get a great signal on all channels. I like the old fashioned looking antenna better than the futuristic looking junk they pawn off as antennas these days.
Seems like a step backwards, oh well... if it is over wifi for remote viewing, that would actually be fine!
Why backwards?
digital antenna TV never went away dude. theres probably like 30-50 channels literally floating around your head right now, totally free for you to tune into. - this only increases range and bandwidth for whats already there lol. not over wifi. its just regular free broadcast TV, as it's always been.
another reason why you're a sucker if you pay for cable lol
It's more of a parallel step forward for what most cord cutters already use with ATSC 1.0, such as Tablo, TiVo Bolt/Roamio OTA, or HDHomeRun devices. Streaming services will still improve (technologically) as separate services. ATSC 3.0 will just continue to be the (expected) free option, especially for local broadcast channels.
Lmao they've BEEN back
I bought one yesterday : ) It works great! also what a weird coincidence to this video today hahaha
1:54 Thought it was a segway to a private internet access ad
If it has ads, it's a no go for me. I've lived ad free for 15 years. Only media I consume is Blu-ray or ad free streaming....
- Comment left on media containing ads.
@@theBraxil *laughs in adblock*
I don't mind ads that much, if it's interesting/relevant to me, it helps a creator I want to support, or at the very least short. But 5mins TV breaks? Lol fuck that. Also the privacy concerns. Imma pirate everything anyway.
@@theBraxil or, you know, he has premium or whatever. I do, cause i use Google music. Never any ads
@@theBraxil ive not had a RUclips ad ever 😂 hardware+software adblocking FTW... I even skip the first 90 sec of every video to make sure I miss the segways 🤣
DAB+ all over again
In the UK we have Freeview which comes on all new TV's and uses a standard terrestrial antenna. It is a collection of over 100 TV channels that are free-to-air. We also have FreeSat which uses satellite and comes on some new TV's and it's the same premise as Freeview. Its channels that have adverts apart from the BBC channels
"Antenna TV's Are Coming Back"
My Aunt: *Who Said They Left?*
No one.
Absolutely No one.
Linus : Speaking of which.
Me : *_there comes the sponsor_*
I heard “companies can wirelessly access my home network”.
Oh. Hell. No. If a company can do it, so can a hacker, from long range.
@solomon kane Those are pentesting tools, presumably people would be interested in the test if there wasn't some way to mitigate it.
I really doubt it, unless they put backdoors in the TVs. The impression I got was the TVs connect directly to your WiFi to serve ads as commanded by the OTA signal.
It's the same kind of "remote access to your home network" that you get in a web page. It's highly sandboxed and can't do anything that would bother most people unless there's a bug.
I already use a bowtie antenna, which is simply an antenna that looks like it was made from a chromed piece of wire coat hanger that was bent into the shape of a.... bowtie! It has the old two-wire in a band of wide flat plastic with claws for screw terminal hookup, but I just connected it to a S-video converter which I then attached to a length of cable and then to the TV. The bowtie is then clipped onto a length of thin wooden dowel attached to a weighted base which can easily be moved a little this-way or that-way if needed for reception. It's been working just fine for over ten years now.
So... you still watch regular TV?
What's this about DVR coming with 3.0? I already have a DVR for 1.0 broadcasts including EPG.It's a small receiver settop for only $40 from a big box store.