Why Do Screens Need Ugly BORDERS?
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2019
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Why do our monitors and phones still need bezels?
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So the DVD "no signal" thing can bounce back and not fly out into eternity
Underrated comment here guys.
Lol
@@therealbite Yes totally. I remember the screensaver the blue one when we watched DVDs in like first grade from Toshiba. Really underrated comment here!!!!!!!!!!
it just warps from 1 corner to other
Nah ittl bounce of the walls of the room unless youre watching tv outside for some reason
Without the borders the games or shows you play/watch would spill out into the universe destroying everything. That's why we need those borders.
the pixels always want to escape, luckily borders without walls are good enough :-)
that gave me goosebumps
And Mexico is going to pay for it! 🤫
@@ignacio8597 with pinata or peanuts, or by sending workers for free ... :-)
#BorderWatch
We have reached peak levels of first world problems.
No time for sarcasm, this is a crisis
Lol
Lmao legit
NintendEthan *But there is.*
*Refer to red magic 3/ ROG Phone II*
And it's amazing
Linus:
"Bezels won't be going away any time soon"
Projectors:
"Am I a joke to you?"
B R U H
iPhone X: well yes but actually no
Lol
Ikr
This is such an old joke... *sigh*
I remember when phones had bezels and i could actually grab them without somehow touching the display
I was looking for this post. Some phones almost impossible to pick up without touching the screen, and I hate that. My current' phone has minimal bezels and it sucks. I don't think I've ever been able to put it down on the desk without mucking up whatever I was watching or had on screen.
@William Sellers I still don't understand how they can fuck that up, they made the note 9 side bezels just a bit bigger, and it still looks amazing with the curved display, but you don't have those annoying side touches. And this is one of the thing every one praised the note 9 on, so why not listen to what people like.
Haha lol
Modern day problems
That's why I love my sony xperia xz1
As much as I like the minimalist look, I don't prioritize it over functionality. It's fine that there are bezels.
The only case that I would really want minimal bezels is with a multi-monitor set up. And even then I would only care about the sides.
@@roondarmurnig338 then heck, use bare lcd display without bezels . Take them off
@@Cheese_1337 it's a good option, but it's soooo unappealing for an eye. But if you want that so bad you can always 3D print a new housing for a display.
One thing he didn't really explain though, why did crt monitors have such thick bezels compared to LCD's? There isn't any electronics in the bezzle right?
That's why I'm so pissed off at the recent curved edges cutting off the display.
2:29 killed my eyes, don’t do that again Linus
Ik
yeah
ure not the only one
Ikr
Yeah
3019:why does technology need electricity?
That's actually a pretty good question. And in the quantum level, it can get *very* interesting.
Oh yea, a time when I don't need to fucking charge a phone anymore and the morning it turns that it's didnt fucking connected for a whole night
Dude by 3019 we're gonna have magic standard and used by everyone.
@@iDatedMyPizza well if humans are still alive and were not in some mad max type world technology will basically look like magic
pfft humans will be mostly extinct by 2100, forget 3019.
I see Linus also wants a world without borders.
That's what v2 is for, a world with no boundaries
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I like borders
Minecraft
Linus: why do phone need ugly borders?
Jerry: I use my phone as a tool not a fashionable material...
*Zack
Metal.. stainles steel.
LOL he just released a video announcing he finally got a new phone. Ditched his S8 for a Note 10 plus.
I personally don't like phones without bezels because their ugly and also whenever I'm holding one of the futuristic looking phones I feel like I could break it with my hands if I tried. My current ulefone armor x3 rugged phone has small bezels and l could drop it from 2 metres without worrying about it breaking.
@@nubnce5705 ofcourse you are right, but people will understand Jerry way quicker than Zack.
I never even THOUGHT of my monitor bezel until weird nerds started complaining about them for no reason.
ColaEuphoria i am aware of it, i just do not care and find it annoying at all
exactly this video is so dumb nobody asked for it
@@goodoc8248 🤷🏽♂️iont want to stare at big black bezels on a multi monitor setup...for single monitor the bezels are no prob tho
@@goodoc8248 I did.
Depends how old your screen is, my LG TV is over ten years old and has a pretty wide bezel, now a similarly sized TV today would have a larger screen because the bezel has gotten much thinner
"Look at our new screen, it has only 2mm bezels all around." "But I want the best picture quality, without blooming because of thin bezels." "Nononono, we as a manufacturer know what our consumers want. You don't need good picture quality as long as you can have thin bezels. I mean, a screen is there to look beautiful rather than to display content, right?"
Yes
Yeah at least some gaming laptops understand this and put better bezeler screens on them instead of "bezeless" ones
@@rileyblair7273 the resulting image quality is mostly still very poor, because the thickness of the screen is too little for a good backlight
i like bezels, they keep my monitor in contrast to my wall
I was thinking this too. you need a clear marker to differentiate your screen from the background. It prob helps your eyes.
@@noachmiller360 Not the eyes, but your mind. Bezels create a distinct division between what your mind needs to register as important information. Works similar to the way speed reading programs work.
The last monitor I bought had a pretty small bezel, and the blurb for it talked about how it "minimized the distracting bezel". I had to laugh at that. I can't recall ever being distracted from what I am watching by the black bezel around the screen.
Sk Asifur Rahaman - That’s actually what they do. Help increase perceived contrast.
A TV without a black border would look worse than an identical one with.
yep
"minimalism is the name of the game"
>screeches about not having RGB in every tech review
Lmao
Inb4 RGB iPhone
Even bigger lmao
A9B13C16D1 eman If it’s only one color it’s not RGB...
@@m9nu4lRJM no. You can change colors
I actually like my borders, they really help blend out the environment and give you something to hold on to. Both on Computers and phones
1k Subs With no vids? I’m guessing it’s a Surface
I'd like bezels on my phone, and little bezels on my monitor.
I'd like to grab my phone without tapping randomly, thanks.
Then grab it without tapping randomly. Got a bezeless device, never accidentally tapped an app because of it
@@thearmyofiron liar
@@sadul heh, nope, it's the truth
You can always get a case - problem solved 👏
@@sadul i have a bezel-less phone and a bezeled phone, the bezel one always has accidental touches because of the physical back and multi app view buttons, my bezelless phone doesnt. Unless it is a curved display (which sucks) there wont really be accidental touches
I've literally never minded bezels, the obsession with removing them is a pointless way to make things more expensive/fragile/less functional for the sake of looks.
The world doesn't only revolve around you, not everybody is the same
@@GeeGnebAb You're right! Lots and lots of idiots want to make things more expensive/fragile/less functional for the sake of looks.
@@o00nemesis00o I'm one of them, take your 2008 bezels with you I don't want them
@@GeeGnebAb where do i put my fingers when watching yt on my phone?
@@portal_jumper_7963 🤷🏽♂️waterfall displays are the problem...the bezel can be minimized with minimal curve..just grip the back edges or get a case💀 aint a prob for me
Thankful that my mirror has thick bezels after Thanksgiving dinner.
LMAO
thicc*
dumpsterdawg ya you trippin like crazy
I like borders. I like easily seeing where the screen is. Having an edge between the screen and the end of the device.
There's nothing bulky about the edges of modern devices. These aren't the old days with that old CRT display thing.
but the borders are really bad if you have more than one monitor, that is centimeters of borders between the two screens, yikes...
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I'd rather have my greasy fingerprints on the bezel rather than on the screen itself. ;)
rkmugen why would you be touching your monitor with your fingers? And also microfiber cloths are like a dollar.
I wish bezels will go to die in 2020, i hate those things.
@@RiceCubeTech of phones
@@RiceCubeTech bruh. U think 1 dollar is little?
Shadow747 hahahahaha lol I mean when you’re spending 400 on a quality monitor 1 dollar isn’t much
4:27 Looking like a dork has never stopped you, Linus...😏😏😏
Sandals with socks going hiking!
answer: because it's required
Wow so cool it’s almost like magic
@DMoney Industry I just answered the title, that's all.
didn't even need to watch the video thanks!
@@swungsilver7945 Well that's an obvious answer.. but the video explains why it is required.
no shit sherlock
I don't think they're "ugly" at all, I don't even notice them most of the time.
“Why do screen borders need to be so ugly”
Me: why do you have to be so nitpicky
Too make content?
@@davidponce6479 good point
Why Do People Care About Borders I Mean Dude, The Screen Should Be More Important
Who TF cares about a 2cm black bezel on your 84" TV or your 24" monitor?
It's not that the bezel causes annoyance but the fact that it's asymmetrical.
I care about the fact that there is 4cm of bezel between my two displays.
I just want my PC setup to look nicer :(
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Am I the only one who’s been okay with the amount of bezels on screens as of a few years ago? This whole no bezel craze has felt pointless to me.
Same! All I care about is better battery life on my phone, and less light bleeding on my curved Ultrawide monitor. Bezels today are fine.
yes, especiially on phones, the amount of times my hand has launched apps while i am reaching with my thumb across the phone drives me nuts to the point i went out and got a case that not only makes the phone easier to hold, but also adds that extra bezel anyway.
Same. Also, curved 16:9 monitors are cringy. I understand it on 21:9 + though.
No you’re not the only one who thinks it’s a load of crap! 💩
Same
On phones, I support bezels because they give a place for thumbs to rest when gripping them in landscape.
Also why the hell are phones removing the 3.5mm headphone jack
Great video.... When Tech Reviewers complain about bezels it's kind of like car reviewers talking about Nürburgring lap times. After a certain point doesn't matter to the average consumer and it's good enough. Unfortunately instead of making a more reliable more affordable product, manufacturers will listen to reviewers to gain cheap hype without providing much if any actual benefits to the end users.
Yay, i can feel the writers' boredom all the way up here.
2:27 big oof, this shot gives me major eyestrain
Surprisingly checkerboard does the same thing
Am I the only one who actively likes bezels, and still wants one on my phone??
Babyboodle as a CRT user I can say you are not alone
Bezels give me some area to actually hold my phone...
I must be the minority that doesn't care about screen bezel.
Zex Maxwell
Same here
Honestly I think its just a vocal minority that screeches about bezels. Essentially the techies that are desperate for something to complain about.
I'm pretty sure you're with me in the majority. I think the only people who care about bezels are rich suburban dads trying to outdo each other. If only the industry didn't cater to them so much.
I don't think you're in the minority, not that I get to talk about tech a lot so take it with a grain of salt, but the only people I've ever heard complain about bezels are tech reviewers/youtubers and personally I hate minimalist bezels since it just makes holding a phone without touching the screen harder or more uncomfortable.
I don't care about top and bottom bezels, but I will admit I do like having no bezels on my left and right so I can have multiple monitors and make the setup look more seamless
2:27 I think I have just been hypnotized.
Virdeus killed my eyes
• In addition to protecting the screen like a big phone case, they can also increase structural integrity of the glass by compressing it. Just yesterday, Cody published a video that demonstrates this issue well: ruclips.net/video/hilWOV04kQg/видео.html
• Another thing way a bezel can be beneficial is to reduce leakage of light out of the sides of the screen to prevent it from bleeding out ambient light and also to reflect the back-light back into the glass to increase the brightness.
Good point about the ambient light. Especially with edge-lit LED backlight model televisions without the bezel those backlights are going to shine towards you as well so you'll see a halo effect surounding the television.
I like having durable technology in phones, not fashion pieces that become paper weights after 3 years.
Hence why when this current phone dies, I’m going for a rugged phone.
I have no problem with borders and bezels, it seems to me the ultimate futility to care about that. I prefer the product being stronger and more solid all the way.
DIY titanium bezel/heatsink!
@@CTimmerman titanium heatsink sounds like a bad idea,titanium doesn't conduct heat as good as copper
When it comes to a smartphone, I actually WANT bezels.
@@noxious_nights It shatters the moment you touch it, but damn it looks cool...
I end up having to buy a big protection cover because the cellphone itself is made to be fragile. So in the end the cellphone becomes big anyway.
Me: Orders a new monitor with THICC borders.
Linus: Why?
Title: Why do screens need ugly borders
Me: *laughs at the LG Signiture*
I love how my PC costs less than my phone, it's worrying
Me: let's move this monitor to clean and reorganize
Monitor without bezel: cracks
1:25 i really thought he was going to say "stored in the balls"
may
Thanks for explaining what we didn't understand.. even never thought of.
linus: speaking of buying...
me: TY FOR VIDEO LINUS, VERY INFORMATIVE. BYE
2:54 weird to see my phone this fresh. No cracks, the frame is in perfect condition, no dead pixels. Throwback to 2016
Bezels are fine. The rush to get rid of bezels is responsible for some of the most idiotic design decisions of the past decade. Stop complaining about them.
in laptops it much improves the footprint. 15.6 inch laptop now fits in the same area a 14inch did. though thinness is entirely pointless
@@bradhaines3142 thinner laptops means lighter laptops which also means less weight on my back
@@meurer13daniel thinness doesnt cut down as much weight as you think. and if you cant handle 5 pounds on your back id hate to see what hard work does to you
@@bradhaines3142 ok boomer
@@ostiapilotes5725 if that's all you have maybe you should stay off the internet til you have something worth saying
I'm perfectly fine with my phone having a bit of depth, actually. Makes it feel like I won't accidentally snap it in half when I'm playing Minecraft.
Hey! I like the "clunky boxes of yesteryear"! LOL
me too!
I've never once looked at my TV and even thought about the fact that there's a minuscule bezel around the screen.
"Speaking of looking like a dork, buy from our sponsor"
I mean, it's nice to be able to pick up a device without smearing fingerprints on the screen, so bezels are useful there too
Best explanation I have come across for why some bezels are bigger than others on different laptops!
Old phones: Hah you drop and you need to go fix your self? Ha! I can drop how many times I want and I will never break you loser!
New phones: But- but I got bigger screen :c
(Reply if you know which old phone I am refering to. Hint: Its from nokia)
Could it be the legendary 3310 (2017 edition for internet of course)
what about a chipped glass without a border protection
To much weight
I haven't thought about this much. I am glad I saw this video for a better understanding. (:
therapist: thicc phone doesn't exist it can't hurt you
thicc phone: 1:38
"That's not the "end" of a displays protection, let's talk about bezels"
Phones and tablets NEED bezels, so you can hold them without touching the touchscreen, for anyone who doesn't child like fingers anyway. For monitor, I can understand wanting smaller side bezels for multi monitor, but don't really care for top or bottom.
Well, they don't need bezel. They need areas for our hands to hold. This is already accomplished with software. Of course some have better implementation than others.
I find bezels to have an esthetic appeal. They contain the picture. Without them, it feels like the picture is floating and blend with the wall behind it. It's the same reason why you would put a photo or a painting in a frame. Without the frame it looks like the painting is a part of the wall.
Pictures being contained also limits the size of the tv screen
Bezels are your friends. They help you frame the picture you're looking at. Literally. It's a visual help - it helps you filter out the world outside of those borders.
The only people wanting no bezels are reviewers it seems.
I don't want 'em
@@coroso136 alienware monitors only have 1 bezel on the bottom
And People Who Think Bezels Are More Important Than The Screen
Meh. I don't care about bezels even on phones. The ones on mine even help me not touch things by accident. Especially since they are so big now.
Can we just have borderless screens already so I can stack them together and have the best time of my life
I love this guy’s rant videos 😂
Answer: It depends
Not all of them are for technical reasons either. Bezels and borders around -- projection -- screens are also used as an optical means to increase the perceived contrast.
0:43 is it really Asoos? Never heard anybody to pronounce it's like that.
Uh zoos, i used to always call that shit aysus
Ace us
I just got a pulseway advertisement featuring you at the start of the video :O
I only like small bezels when using multiple displays together, such as in my pc setup when playing triple monitors in racing sims, otherwise bezels if not to large, are fine.
0:08 I literally have one of those, it has an AMD Athlon
0:48 missed opportunity to say Asust instead of assist.
Bezels also protect the screen from drops hence why Lenovo made their bezels quite large on the thinkpad lineup at expense of making the screen panel itself thinner.
the thumbnail is gold
Just came from watching one of Linus' videos.
Tech reviewers: bezels are the most important thing and getting rid of them has to be the top priority! (Spends half the review obsessing over them)
Me: i don't care about bezels. Can you please talk about important things like processing power, features, dpi, color coverage, contrast levels. Things that actually matter to screen/device quality
Eric P nailed it.
Eric P ironically, in phones all of that is already at near peak levels. The fact that all the top phones support dcip3 and near or over 1440p resolution is pretty much standard. What more processing power do you need in your phone? No apps use it anyways.
@@RiceCubeTech " ironically, in phones all of that is already at near peak levels."
Yet they still die after 3 seconds away from the charger. Phone manufacturers have been making the wrong tradeoffs for at least a decade.
isodoublet have you ever used an 11Pro max? I regularly get 7 hours of screen on time. Yesterday I got close to 10 since I wasn’t using maps as much and was streaming more.
@@RiceCubeTech So what you're telling me is your phone couldn't even last a full work day.
I love big bezels!! They give character & warmth to devices. Things with no/small bezels lack character
I got an ad with you in it LMFAO
I can understnd getting rid of those inch wide bezels on smart devices from 2010. But all the whining about the tiny bezels and chins on phones these days is unwarranted.
The real bad design is nav buttons wasting space on the screen instead of being permanent buttons on the chin.
Yeah I hate the on screen nav buttons, it really adds up especially with all these badly designed mobile sites with their own menu bars and other crap that don't get hidden as you scroll... The chin is a good alternative place to use to hold your phone with one hand.
The navigation buttons can be hidden tho and instead use gestures and it's pretty neat
@@gus9351 not crazy about gestures for those type of actions tbh. I remember when trying out Tinder it's just not intuitive to me, dragging my finger around means I'm scrolling or moving an object on the screen and that's about it. I hate accidentally doing something I didn't want to do because I swiped my finger on the screen by mistake and no phone can effectively discern my actual intentions.
I need non touch sensitive surface area to place my fingers to hold the dang thing without dropping it too. Hate having to lock my phone to avoid touching something by mistake and then somehow the screen still wakes up in my sweaty pocket and tries punching in my PIN. Maybe I'm just old lol I needed to use a phone with a slide out keyboard to transition to smartphones when I got my first one 8 years ago. There's just nothing like buttons.
Be aware of a very low end hum in your audio.
Be aware that the link at 4:07 doesn't work. Or is it just my PC?
Thank god my headphones aren't good enough to play such low frequencies.
I only noticed it when I am in lower noise environment, not that bad, but I imagine it cannot be just me, fortunately this is the case.
The whole time? I couldn’t tell with iphone speakers
@@potatosmasher1072 You need to be one of those people that "watch videos with headphones on to get a completely immersive experience," and have them cranked up.
I prefer having bezels. It gives your eye an area to focus on. you really notice it when you use the camera on your phone a lot. They help you frame a shot properly and cut down on cropping images.
Nicely executed.
2:27 : * exists *
Video compression : (chuckles) you’re in danger
2:15 Logic board?
What is this, the genius bar?
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I cracked up at 1:07 lol If you think about it, Sandwich bread has bezels too 😮
These segways just keep getting better
I love bezels. Bought my pixel because of the bezel.
Wait hold up are u telling me screens get made in giant waffers?
They make a huge glass substrate that they build up the layers needed on. It's rather late in the process that they cut the glass to separate the panels.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 oh, i see.
thats interesting, i always assumed they just casted or molded them or something like that
@@samuelmatheson9655 Actually not sure about those were the screen bends over the side, but for the rest of them that's basically it.
Who knew my screen was from a waffle?
With LCD screens, you have multiple layers, like a polarizer, backlight, and LCD, and with OLED, it is so thin, that It can bend around the edges, on a curved edge display. The iPhone 11, is LCD, with thicker bezels. I want thicker bezels, like on my 46" Samsung TV, so that I can, pick it up and move it, as one piece.
With the iPhone 7 plus, I was able to shoot pics, by holding it with, the top edge, rotated, to the left, holding with left hand, so that, the camera, was on the top edge, and my right thumb, hit the shutter. I was taking full advantage, of the bezels, to shoot pics. I like the Otter Box Case, for gripping iPhone XS Max, for pic taking.
Now is there a tripod mount, that can stretch wide enough, for an XS Max Otter Box Case?? I hate, having to remove an Otter Box Case, just to mount on a tripod.
I like bezels. Yes it looks cleaner without them but I'd rather still have a button on my phone, not have to pick up/put down my phone gingerly to not mess up what I'm doing, and something to grab onto when I'm opening my laptop or moving my monitor/TV.
Touchscreens are way better,buttons break too easily
imagine getting a pulseway ad with linus in it while trying to watch a techquickie vid
3:43 Concept phone? What are you talking about? It’s gonna start selling in December.
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0:15 "futuristic" is so subjective and determinant on generational knowledge that most of those displays were certainly considered futuristic when they released.
And imagined 'futuristic' isn't always good either. I mean, some concepts look cool and all, but they really aren't very practical and that's kinda important.
@@KnightRaymund agreed
0:07 i have that “clunkly box” AS a collector item that i use sometimes :D
Or if you don't mind some compromises you can go bezel-free right now with any Pico projector. They run on batteries, can display 720p or better, some models offer short throws, some other models are laser video projectors which are cool for on the go small form factor video mapping.
Why can’t phones have bezels?! Why manufacturers are so obsessed with useless full size screens in stead of other real stuff?! Heck! I love bezels! #BringBackBezels !!!!
Why do display manufacturers feel the urge to make ugly bezel-less displays?
So you can make a tiny Jumbotron if you don't know what to do with your money.
I *prefer* bezels tbh
Prefer it since it gives me a better feeling for an end to the screen, a limit, a way to separate my screen with the outside stuff such as the wall or anything nearby. Borders are useful in design as well, but sometimes not having it can be interesting, it all depends, but for a monitor I think I would be a bit uncomfortable to not have any, for a smartphone that's a bit different since it's in our hands.
The one thing I enjoy in general about thicker bezels is the lack of "light distortion" when you have a bright surface behind it. The border helps to have a more "stable" image for the eye with a contrast border to separate from the area behind it.
1:41 I'd rather have a monitor a few mm thicker if I could get thinner bezels though, in case I'd want that. The true depth of the monitor is caused by the stand, and even if vesa mounted, that's not going to matter a lot either. Thicker monitors also allow for better heat dissipation and structural integrity.
2:34 ...but that phone screen still has a comparable resolution to a monitor, it's only smaller but that doesn't mean it's easier to produce. Try making a 24" panel with the pixel density of a phone and sell it for a reasonable price. Good luck.
3:25 That's not the whole story though. Due to the smaller size of the phone screen, you need less power in general to light up the screen at the same brightness as a regular monitor.
What is often not mentioned with slim bezel monitors is that they don't always make use of all the screen as is. Often these screens have an area about as big if not bigger than the bezel of an artificial border around the actual pixels. As if those pixels were meant to be but just don't light up.
The one case where I enjoy thin bezels is when the background it is set against is dark, and when every last bit of real estate to place things matter to cramp as many things in there as I can. Sometimes those 2cm extra are what gets in the way with something else.
When your screen has more bezel than screen...
C2L Redstone are you livin in the 1930s?
2:26 ahh that hurts my eyes
Honestly, I would take a thicc device and tiny bezels over a slim device with thicc bezels.
I never noticed them until this video. It's like I know they are there but I don't observe them.