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A Very Confused Anti-Vegan
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2023
- My thoughts on "VEGAN PROPAGANDA Goes Too Far!" by Isaac Butterfield. Let's lie to kids about the nature of animal agriculture, I guess?
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Did I say "He's Australia?"
@Unnatural Vegan
Whether you did or not we can only hope that some of Australia ISN'T Isaac Butterfield.
We live in hope.
😌
Yes. Yes you did
Just say "pardon my French" and nobody notices. Most words in French have letters in the end of the words that are not pronounced by default. That way you also seem a tiny big more fancy and nobody knows any better.
@@PercivalBlakeney I am in Australia and have seen some of this guy’s content. I think he sees himself as an alt-right comedian but I am not sure whether he is aware how his content is so often a self-parody. Something along the lines of Alf Garnett (Til Death Us Do Part if you know the reference).
I stopped watching him a long time ago because whether or not it was self-parody he just isn’t funny.
@@robsengahay5614 Yea I watched him as a 13 year old, thought he was funny at the time. Once I matured I realised he just kinda sucks, and comedy that relies on punching down isn't ever that funny
"No Soy Boys"
Behind a Funko pop 😔😐
This is also very funny because meat makes you effeminate...the irony.
@@spandel100 I know lol nothing more masculine then shoving meat in your mouth, especially when it's shaped like a phallus lol 😂
@@spandel100 That is funny given that most vegans are childless and jobless.
😂
Take it from a non-vegan, this guy is one of the best pieces of pro-vegan propaganda every time he opens his mouth.
@sychronium24
Can't be as good as a "real man" like Piers Morgan… or Jeremy Clarkson… or Marjorie Taylor Greene.
😋
He says vegan propaganda is so bad and scary.... Admits it's real footage, so definitionally not propaganda. Argues commercials should lie about how well treated animals are (actual propaganda) and seems to not know that that is how animal products are already marketed, hence the need for vegan "propaganda". The guy can't seem to stay on point arguing against how bad and cultish vegan "propaganda" is. He makes it sound like eating meat is more of a cult. It requires you to lie to children, ignore reality yourself, and believe in nonsense about diet recommendations.
and you're an animal abuser, why?
Unfortunately the mouthbreathers who watch his channel don't see it that way.
@@roseg2239calling people mouth breathers isn't going to get anyone on your side. In fact, it'll just offend people and make them more offensive and closed off to your arguments
Just an idea for some merch, "Anti Social Vegan Club" 😂 I'd buy it!
I would 100% buy this
Me too!
this is good
I've seen people wearing Anti Social Vegan Club, assumed he were poking fun of that
Great idea!!!
"Indentured servitude" is bad, but how else are we supposed to produce cotton and tobacco at a competitive price?
- Isaac Butterfield's plantation owner ancestor (circa 1850, South Carolina).
Nah he is Australian.
His ancestor from back then likely was an actual criminal.
@@dutchik5107
"Plantation Owner well beloved" was probably still dispossessed from the Great British empire.
My Mum is from the Outer Hebrides and very proud (quite rightly) of being a native "Gàidhlig" speaker.
The downside of course, is that after the Highland clearances, many of the diaspora relocated to Charleston and such places and became "traders" (Roots/Amistad traders… y'know?), conducting business in (you guessed it) "Gàidhlig" (Scots Gaelic).
"No slave not descended from a King and _vice versa_."
- Mark Twain.
Dutchik Most Europeans came to Australia as free settlers. Some Australians have convict ancestors but it's definitely not the majority of Australian ancestry.
@@dutchik5107you’ve gotta remember that Australia has its history of slavery etc too. It was different, but we definitely had it
He's Australian. Instead his ancestors would've been criminals shipped over here and shot a bunch of inidgenous people who dared go on the white people's 'property'.
When someone goes for the argument of "protect the children!" it's an immediate sign that the arguer is arguing in bad faith
Not always
He's angry and caustic because HE KNOWS. He's not dumb - it's just for the money, like most things.
No in his case I think we can safely say that he IS dumb.
Enslavement to money is dumb.
@@Anti-Peaceforcepolice you gotta grind! You gotta hustle! Garreeee Veee! Get on it - wake up at 4am- sleep at midnight - NSG - never stop grinding! (Yes - sarcasm)..
@@Anti-Peaceforcepolice Then I hope to become a super dumb billionaire one day 😂
He's smarter than he looks...and sounds...and as all the best testing indicates.
Nope is a movie about aliens treating us the way we treat animals !
The thing you brought up about we're lucky to be at the top of the food chain was great. It reminded me of how Christians say they're the only right religion and I'm like "well, how lucky for you to be born Christian..born into the right group !" 🙄
Every religion says that except probably Hindus and Buddhists.
That ad was amazing!! Air it everywhere!
I sob every time I see that ad.
This guy cares about veganism more than I do.
I'm a very straight presenting, 6'2 guy who is vegan. It's just a fact that I have, visually, almost exclusively masculine traits and mannerisms. People are surprised when I say I'm vegan.
What I'm getting at is that without fail, everytime the other men will feel the need to find a way to justify their ethics to me. Every time. And it gets to be like this guy with some of them. And the quickest thing that shuts them up is just saying "dude I honestly don't give a shit, I don't want to have this conversation with you." It stops them dead everytime because they were POSITIVE it was gonna be their time to shine. That I'm gonna sit there and engage with that. Like...no dude. You're not vegan, you know what it is. I'm not gonna fight you on this. If you wanted to be then you would be. I couldn't care less
'Straight presenting'. Are you gay?
Your videos are getting better and better. I have followed you since you ate raw. We disagree on many topics, but I always love to hear your opinion. I hope you make a part 2 on the Medical Medium-thing 😊
LOL, No Soy Boys? No soy for me either, at least not until dinner. Oh, damn, I forgot the vanilla soy milk in my coffee. Ugh, I AM a Soy Boy! 😎
I don’t get FOMO and don’t feel particularly put off about not fitting in.
Turns out I’m autistic, wasn’t diagnosed until a month before I was 30.
It explains my hypersensitivities too.
“You had nothing witty or funny to say the entire video” my jaw dropped 😂 it’s so unlike you to roast
I would have been dead 20 years ago if humans were obligate omnivores.
So true. Living and loving life. ✌️
Same here, I've should have died 6 years ago haha. Only supplement I take is B12 and vitamin D just in case, because I live in the northern hemisphere. 95% of protein comes from unprocessed plants, I do enjoy vegan faux meat sometimes if it's appropriate for the dish I'm cooking. I always say "I'd rather be less healthy than eat sentient beings" but the fact is, I'm healthy (that's not just my opinion, my doctor thinks the same).
@@carstenaltena My comment is focused on a different aspect. The question of vegans' healthiness is insignificant. My argument was that supplements are intended to supplement a diet, not serve as a vital component, and therefore, a vegan diet is incomplete and unhealthy without them.
I appreciate you saying that people can do bad things and not be bad people. I was just in another conversation about prison reform and the like and the lack of empathy for inmates is ridiculous. Legalized American slavery
Reddit keeps promoting the ex vegan subreddit to me lately , and I've seen a lot of them talking about how vegans age fast and they all seem to be obsessed with collagen... It would be very interesting to see you talk about this and even just take a look at the whackiness that goes on in that subreddit
You did a great job responding to him, I’d love to see his reaction to your response. (I know responding to response videos are a little old) I’d love to see an honest conversation between you two.
I was thinking the same thing. I watch Isaacs videos quite often and I think they could have a great discussion. Even though he can come across as “disrespectful and arrogant in your face aggressive “ lol he can have some very intellectual and respectful conversations. He has a podcast Chanel on RUclips where he interviews people. He did a video with vegan booty!
I love your analyses. You're videos are dynamic, honest, direct and no nonsense.
as an Australian, once the huntsman spider is in your house.. it's there house now 😂😂😂
I just love how you respond to these types of videos. Generously and objectively, inspiring
Anti-social Vegan Club merch, we need it, I know I need it.
8:32 I've been watching you from since you mentioned having a partner for the first time, and this video is the first one I ever heard you call him your husband lol
Very clearheaded and thought-provoking, I admire how you managed to poke fun at the guy and state your case while still being kind and non-angry! I do think this can be a struggle for vegans living around nonvegans.
On another note, I've also thought for a long time that the "normal order of business" in nature is quite horrible from our human perspective...but how exactly do people propose to "fight wild animal suffering" (see at 7:36 ),by making predators not eat their prey? Someone still ends up suffering any way you put it, this just sounds like a case of wanting to be "right" and impose human morality on everything and everyone else
I find those who derive their moral compass from the wild quite absurd tbh.. i mean... Animals rape and kill each other in the wild.. since when it's considered a moral thing for us to do?
Raping and murdering moral?
Also the fact that these farmed animals can't even exist in the wild on their own!
Anyways... It would always be hard for people to conceptualize their pain (yes they're sentient beings) as the only role they've got to play is that of a victimizer... They can't be the victim obviously.. so why even care.. it's easier to be selfish!
This guy was approached by a Vegan who he made threats to....when confronted he folded like a card. I believe It was Lifting Vegan Logic.
So weird to hear you say "husband" lol
Changing things up!😅
At 27:07 LMAO i expected the roast but not of that magnitude jeez. Great vid as always
If you're open to share: Would love to hear more on your "antisocial" traits and how you navigate social relationships, if it affects it at all. :)
I have a few friends who I think are similar to you in terms of being very logical, confident and unphazed by what others think. It's always interesting to hear their perspective and see how they've learned to adapt so they don't unintentionally create conflict/ come off as abrasive, etc.
Also: loved your commentary on this.
Would love a video on talking to kids about veganism in the way that you touched on a bit in this video. Maybe questions that you’ve received and how you’ve addressed them. As always, love & appreciate your content!
Little baby is 10 MONTHS??! Are you okay? 😭 this was the point where I started lamenting the end of the newborn phase.
Also if you’re playing TOTK can we get an opinion or a let’s play maybe :)?
So interesting! My boy is 10 months as well and I'm so relieved we're out of the newborn phase.
Still feeling pretty tired, but the sleep deprivation and stress of those early days was awful for me!
I was a 10 month baby, and my mother never let me forget it!
I would really love a video of like 3 of your best vegan recipes that a non veg would love.
Make a “Anti-Cruelty Social Club” shirt!
Field animals tend to run away from the noise of the farm machinery, so it's not as much as they think.
Countless of wild animals die. They don’t always get to run away. Some are badly injured and some are poisoned. Your diet is not cruelty free.
nobody is claiming that a vegan diet is 100% cruelty free. we are vegan as much as practical and possible.
@@residentjess So because it is not perfectly cruelty free, it's not worthy doing at all?
The goal of veganism is to reduce unnecessary suffering as much as possible.
You are using fallacy called black and white thinking.
@Don Castro Sentient beings include bugs like worms, grasshoppers, flies or ants. There are 400 million bugs in an acre. One application of pesticides will wipe that much life.
@@residentjessyes, and animals raised for meat eat a lot of that grain and vegetables…
How do you know someone is anti vegan? They'll tell you 10 times a day.
Same goes for vegans
I am so confused by the anti vegan social club shirt. Because normally the shirt says anti social club. So aren't anti vegan social club members just vegans in the anti social club?
Oh, spiders! I can't even count how many times a spider in my home thought it's a good idea to hang out above the shower later ending up soaking wet and half dead close to the drain... I always take them and put them on a piece of toilet paper, and even though they seem dead, an hour later they're up and gone. So resilient
That's very nice of you! :)
Loved your facial expression when he presents his T-shirt, thanks for sharing!
I'm 3 minutes in.. this guy is such a baby I cant
2:00 - heard on reedit...does redit speak to you like this when redit speaks to you!? 😂
It's got Senator Armstrong vibes
20:10 - they like to play with your emotional centers to get you to feel bad - oh no....feelings....not those....I'm not used to dealing with those!! 😂
25:30 - spiders just don't understand.... - not a single spider scientist has ever considered spider farming....we've got them beat!
Even though they have eight legs this in no way benefits them as farmers.
Can you do a videa on the WHO's review of artificial sweeteners??
I really hope that you become the poster person for the veggie movement someday. You charitable, but snarky critiques are wonderful! Thank you!
23:01 I've had the same thought, and what's really sad is that, people a lot of people don't even care about other people, or themselves and they would kill a human person no problem, and they do things to themselves that they know is bad for their own health and it makes me so sad and depressed. 😢
It doesn't make any sense to trust anyone who's obviously trying to harm you. Believing a bully might be right is trusting their judgement over your own autonomy and wellbeing. But there is an age where children can't help but internalize their external world.
I think in a way he builds his arguments backwards on the assumption that if eating animals is necessary, then it somehow must make sense, even if it does not at the moment (i.e. he understands the horror of factory farming, but can't outright dismiss it in the face of his assumptions).
Does anyone have a link to the actual "vegan commercial"?
It's on the Animals Australia RUclips channel
I’m 2.40 in and as an Australian, I apologise.
I just found your channel and i love it. Incidentally, I've been a huge Isaac fan for a few years now! 😂
You're both great!
A common argument that I hear from carnivores is that meat has been a staple in the human diet since the prehistoric times, therefore it's impossible for meat to be the cause of modern health problems, it instead being the vegetables.
Forgetting that all forms of grains and veg (Soy included) have also been a massive staple in the human diet since the prehistoric times, with most cultures consuming most of their calories from plants as meat was scarce.
@Just some Guy Grains, beans and most vegetables are very recent compared to meat. Meats were eaten by humanoids millions of years ago. Soy or rice were around less than 10,000 years ago.
People also didn’t live for nearly as long as we do nowadays, so long term health effects of most foods didn’t matter
@@FoodieOmni how long did they live?
@@canesugar911 A vegan will not live a week in their condition. Humanoids were tough. It is not their diet which made their life short. Dangers everywhete. No medicines. Of course they live a short life. Btw, the romans live as short too at 25 years, also early americans live at 30 to 40 years and all of them eating grains, beans and vegetables.
@@FoodieOmni vegans will live longer than these so called carnis because, plants are more abundant than meay. Sorry to break it to you but in the wild, you can't casually waltz into a supermarket and buy meat. They had to go on long hunts and not all hunts were successful. What did they eat?....that right, plants.
Your original comment suggests that humans have been carnivores before eating plants but that is not the case as our ancestors before that only ate plants.
I didn't know I wanted Swayze to talk about Isaac but this is excellent.
xD the wind leaving his sails as he had to think of reasons not to be vegan on the spot was amusing
I don’t think people are talking about living on ONLY one cow a year. I always thought they were saying the one cow would be the only meat they eat the entire year and the supplement the rest with a normal diet. It wouldn’t surprise me if someone thinks living on JUST a cow is a good idea tho
That's what I thought too. I think many people just have a much easier time wrapping their head around reducing meat consumption (at least theoretically), but veganism feels too "extreme". In practice their reduction of meat consumption is eating fish instead, or eating a meal with dairy products etc.
Having a word written on your shirt that states anti-vegan ( or anti-anything ), usually means that you want to be seen as a provocative troll, who deliberately hates on that group.
Non-vegans usually don't feel the urge to state that they aren't vegan explicitly.
isaac Butterfield is the biggest shame of australia
I’d say Tash Peterson is a bit worse
Yes, I usually enjoy his videos but I seen this one and it kinda pissed me off so I had to unsubscribe from him. I get really sick and tired of everyone hating on vegans.
Sorry, nice video, but where did you get the worm from? :)
It's really important to point out that this guy is a stand up comedian who's schtick is social commentary.
I love how you responded to this video. :)
i want to buy that anti vegan social club shirt 😭🤣 it’s kinda funny. it’s a parody of Anti Social Social Club which was a huge streetwear brand like 6 years ago
Yeah, I don’t think she got that LOL
Familiar with this dude. Aggressively unfunny and unintelligent but I'm glad you're responding. Got sick of his back and forth with Vegan Gains back in the day.
I love how rational and measured you are, and this is why you make videos and I sit at home looking at ince...um individuals like him spouting nonsense, and feeling utterly frustrated 🙄
love the guy's cowboy boots!
does he really think most hunters put "an arrow or bullet through the heart"?!
I would love to hear your thoughts on the video on how oatmilk (oatly) raises blood sugar as much as coke, has as much oil as french fries, etc. The video is called "oat milk is literally a scam" and I'm wondering if it's credible. I'm glad I drink soy milk anyways
The pokemon plush doll lol
I really appreciate that you stated that you hardly think about veganism outside of your channel or grocery shopping. I feel the exact same way and I find it SO frustrating when people want to bring up the fact that I'm vegan (usually when food is around) and then start going on about why they couldn't be vegan blah blah blah. I don't care in the slightest. Why must I be defined by something I DON"T do. I don't eat animal products, it's not a big deal, I hardly ever think about it, let me eat my potato salad in peace.
What's the opposite of freelee?
What's the cartoon commercial? X
Maybe he intentionally makes nonsensical arguments to filter out the intelligent ones, since a dumber audience is easier to manipulate and more dogmatic.
I live in Aus, many people here are really basic. One guy recently told me of the "cool" gathering he went to. The guys played poker, the women went into a room and played dress ups.....
Most males I've met here seem to think the ideal woman is a mum they can fck. Maybe it could explain this guy's behaviour. He actually is a motherfkr. I have met someone before with a similar huge ego. He actually told me he had "relations" with his mother. Plenty of blokes that want to be "daddy" too.
It really can be quite the disturbing place sometimes
@@hubtubby Didn't ask
@@rep-vile you started with "maybe" self declaring a state of uncertainty, I was adding an additional view on the subject.
I didn't ask for an unhelpful, non contributing and egotistical answer.
You could start an anti-social vegan club. No wonder people think vegans have their heads up their arses, you just thumbed up your own 🙂
@@hubtubby bro ur posting cringe, i'm not vegan
@@rep-vile not your bro, that's cringe. Learn to talk
Man I can’t stand to listen to this guy talk. You are way nicer then I would have been making this video. Love how level headed you are in your vid’s!!
There should be a MST3K for anti-vegan videos (or any stupid videos really). We just have some talking heads at the bottom of the screen making smart remarks at dumb arguments.
I'm tempted to buy that shirt and wear it ironically.
SIX, FOUR, AND 10 MONTHS
Since when, the actual duck, did that happen 😂❤
vegan iron supplements exist?
Yes, it does, but not everyone's bodies can absorb it properly.
@@boomeadow That statement is correct for just about every nutrient in existence.
One cow per person for 6 months?! How much beef is this guy eating? One cow can yield around 500lbs of edible meat. As a person who eats multiple sources of animal protein, alongside plant based proteins, one cow could last me like 4 to 6 years. Like have some variety my dude.
The whole harm thing will be solved if lab grown meat becomes mainstream and affordable.
Well now I know why I relate to you so well, I, too, am an antisocial human.
Hi! I really like your videos but there's something that I've been wanting to say and still havent because I'm Just not the kind to leave comments... But, I think the audio is often not balanced! That is, you speaking louder than however on the video in analysis. Wish you the best!
Oh yeah he’s just the worst person overall. As an Australian, we don’t claim him.
You can see it in his eyes that he wants to be eaten by a robot
His shirt is based off of the “Anti Social Social Club” shirt which is an existing clothing design.
I enjoyed this. Thanks. ❤
Although I am not a vegan, his opposition towards veganism can actually benefit the movement by increasing its visibility and attracting more attention to your cause.
🤣 This video is gold baby!!! 😂👏
I don't think you're a sociopath swayze 💖 you're very clear and logical which I appreciate, but if you'd like to look into yourself a bit more, I recommend the RAADS-R test 💖
@25:45 LACK of choice is not the same as having it. If I can't help, there's no moral decision to make. Choosing mercy is the choice I make. That spider did not choose to be born that way and doesn't have the choices I have. Why does he vilify those who did not choose it? He is personally choosing murder and with his privilege, vilified a creature just trying to stay alive. 🥺
As someone who rather enjoys " creepy crawlies" a spider doesn't really have a choice theyre carnivores. I'm a reptile keeper and there's fairly humane ways to source their food. Theyre digestive systems can't really process plants. Mine can and i have a choice.
(me trying to effectively moderate my objectivist UV crush)
“I’d like to have an Icelandic accent.”
(…sigh)
I just looked it up and apparently if you eat nothing but beef everyday, one cow will last you 257 days, not 6 months. I just knew that guys numbers sounded off. Did he research anything for this?
I live in Serbia and most of the people are religious-Orthodox
Christians. And religion proclaims fasting, serious religious people are fasting half of the year, even more. Don’t eat meat during the fasting days and dairy products or even fish when they are fasting on the water. It’s so interesting because it is believed that this fasting period is good for
your psyche. After all, you don’t eat food that contains blood. I know it’s not the ethical position but overall is good for the environment.
Also they always seem to acknowledge how humans are different from animals and use that as an argument to say they're just food. And on the other hand they'll say that animals eat other animals to so it's reasonable that we also do that. So what is it then are we humans and better than animals or are we just animals so we should act like them? Also no mention of how humans actually have the capability of feeling compassion towards other species and understand their suffering which animals generally speaking don't have and we're just supposed to ignore our complex human thoughts and go back to cavemen?
I agree with most of what you said. But “don’t eat a cow bc it will harm your health” is not accurate and reduces your credibility
"If I was a deer I'd rather be shot at age 10 than die of starvation at age 12". I, as a woman, am far more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. Doesn't mean I'm gonna go kill myself just to go out on my own terms. Why would we apply that level of thinking to any sentient being? This guy is a masterclass in using right-wing, reactionary grifting as a substitute for comedy.
All that meat protein and he's not even swole!
Literally there are vegan body builders twice the size of this guy
someone having shitty opinions isn’t an excuse to body shame them.
Merch idea: the front of the T-shirt says “Nature Sucks” and the back will say (But I’m vegan anyway) 🤣
think about all the different kinds of legal meat of animals and their young that you can experience in australia, land and sea. it’s no wonder that killing animals isn’t a big deal over there; their culture has always openly promoted that.
i believe it’s legal to sell dog meat in some of the southern areas.
Welcome to Australia. He plays the stereotype up i think... but yes this is our humour.
Isaac calling the animation of the animals singing “unrealistic” and “making them more like humans” just shows how little thought or research he did before making a moral decision about his treatment of animals. Obviously chickens and pigs can’t sing in a human language or sprout wings but pigs do like music and can recognize specific melodies that they like. They like dancing and even vocalizing in a way that is clearly them trying to sing along. And when it comes to chickens, we’ll they’re birds. All birds are incredibly musical. The fact that he doesn’t know that just shows how disconnected he really is.
His life is dedicated to hating veganism and loving meat lol
Unless you're some secret super-troll I can't imagine what you could be doing that actually constitutes antisocial behavior. Being a recluse or indifferent to social groups is not the same as antisocial.