I’m a zoologists who works with Great Apes (gorillas, orangutans and bonobos), and hearing anyone mention bonobos makes my heart happy! Not enough people know about them, in my humble opinion 😅 I’ve been a subscriber for a while and have always respected the way you research and present your opinions. Love having an educated, logical voice in the vegan community, even if not everyone sees it that way 🙄
Rebecca Shoffner so cool! My friend and I got our undergraduate degrees in Anthropology. Her dream is basically your job, to do conservation work with non-human primates, especially great apes! :)
I know this isn’t a video that can be made now, but in the future when Toddler starts going to school could you do a video of the food you pack in their lunches? It would be nice to get some ideas because many vegan kids lunchbox videos I see on here aren’t very balanced.
Your channel should be called Un-Alienating Vegan because that’s what you do. You make people feel less alienated and a lot of other extreme vegan channels alienate hardcore. Also is unalienating a word? Probably not 😂
That Vegan Lawyer referred to those who support you as “Unnatural Vegan apologists.” She then went on to personally insult those (including myself) who left a comment in support of you in a video without blurring out names. Thank you for being the more mature one.
The blanket ban on leather shoes that some vegan have really grinds my gears. My husband has to wear safety boots to work. If he buys non leather they usually last 6 months and he often comes home with sore feet. His leather ones he currently has are coming up to 4 years old, are still in good condition and even after a 13 hour day his feet are not sore. Non leather shoes are primarily made from plastic (especially work boots). I’m sure the 8 pairs of plastic boots he would of gone through in the past 4 years would of cost more animal life if you trace the plastic back to its origins as oil, not too mention the environmental impact. And we’d probably of spent several times the amount in the long run too. One $160 pair every 4 years vs $50 every 6 months?
Good point. My partner works in warehouses and drives fork lifts, health and safety dictates he wears leather steel toe caps approved by the company. So he wouldn't be able to bring in his own pair. Does having that unfortunate part of working so we can live mean he or your husband are not vegan? No, it's being stuck between a rock and a hard place where finance and resources leave us with unfortunate options.
Dippy Hippy yeah. And if they’re so bothered they should invest in finding an alternative option that doesn’t involve using leather but with the durability of leather (or better). “Don’t tell people never to do something unless you have an alternative that works.” That quote sits with me a lot when I offer criticism too. Don’t tell people never to wear leather if you can’t offer solutions to situations where wearing leather can be necessary.
Yes! Sometimes the alternatives are worse in the long run than the leather is. I don't require specialized work boots, so when my shoes wear out, I try to buy used leather ones. That way, I'm not directly funding leather production, but those shoes are also not going to turn into tiny bits of plastic in my local waterways when they inevitably wear out. Perfectionist standards only work in a world that is also perfect.
@@HNGuthrie I loved your comment it reminded me so much of the Fairly Local Vegan now Fairly Local Family who bought her son a pair of second hand leather shoes. Yet the vegans jumped on her calling her a "fake vegan" and not a "real vegan" saying she doesn't care about the animals..etc but they were second hand her kid needed the shoes❤️❤️
As a long time vegan myself, it’s weird that i don’t relate and can’t connect with these extreme vegans online. I’m on unnatural vegans level. If you want to be vegan forever you need to chill and be realistic.
Agreed 100%. I even mentioned that on my last video: you can rather be a miserable person or be in peace with reality. Why is that a hard choice for some? 🤔
Qwerty as a long time vegan I have never resinated with UN “vegan”. Being vegan isn’tabout being silent its not about ourselves. Its about the animals and their abuse that we are demanding to stop. People call us “extreme” and “superior” and when it is ironic that our behavior towards other beings and this planet is extreme and the fact people put other animals on the back burner and say oh if you talk ab veganism youre extreme. Meanwhile if anything, YOU believe you’re superior to other animals and want to be an apologist to other carnists so be it, but that is your speciesism. The irony is rich.
To be blunt I honestly cannot stand That Vegan Lawyer. I watched three of her videos and I legit just -ears bleed-. She comes off very obnoxious and elitist. I know that’s a bit brash but my god girl it’s like a faster talking Freelee
Intersectionality can very well be a practical approach. I think taking an intersectional approach to veganism is essential to be EFFECTIVE, not just to be 'sensitive' or 'not an asshole'. Example: you need different approaches to promote veganism to young, white, rich college students compared to parents of color living below the poverty line in a food desert. Different societal oppressions create different realities and this applies especially to the case of veganism. There is no one-size-fits-all and that is why it is important to have an intersectional approach. *Understanding how class, racism, gender, ableism etc. relate to health, lifestyle, food choices, consumer behavior, etc. is ESSENTIAL for effective vegan activism.*
This! I remember watching a debate that vegan gains was in and he said that there was no need to examine how capitalism effects animal welfare when it comes to factory farms. I think examining animal agriculture under capitalism can demonstrate that it's not just people merely consuming animal products that's the issue. I see a lot of vegans on RUclips try and claim that anyone can go vegan and it's so easy, their activism ignores the intersections that show that that's not the case, as the examples you pointed out
A lot of chemical labs require leather shoes, not vegan leather alternative shoes, because leather is one of the best protective agents against corrosive chemicals. I took a job that required leather shoes, which at the time, I had no problem with, but the vegans who worked there had to purchase leather shoes, or choose another place to work, or be in violation of the safety policy. Just thought I'd throw out an example where it's really really impractical to go with the vegan alternative.
Yeah, I’ve been vegan for a little over 15 years. I also am a healthcare professional . I don’t need to tell you all about animal testing etc in the health care industry but if the only realistic alternative is to not participate, then you have to accept that the industry will not change overnight . It’s damage mitigation. If strict adherence to veganism stops me from helping people then it’s a fundamentally bad thing . If being vegan and also being able to morally reconcile working in a non vegan industry helps people, then it is a fundamentally good thing
@@esztercsaki1 This! Whenever one of the hardline/purity vegans demonises researchers all I can think is that this "unnecessary cruelty" has probably saved/vastly improved their life at some point. I'm grateful to everyone in healthcare and research who are saving lives every day. Thank you!
I stopped watching high carb Hannah like a year ago. I’m 3 years recovered from an Ed and never really get triggered anymore but god damn it got under my skin how much she nonstop talked about her weight and gaining a few pounds when she’s small! Her diet seemed so restrictive to me and then I saw in her comment section someone praising her and asking her for weight loss advice that I know in real life who’s still sick with anorexia . After that I was done . I was like nope this girl is not healthy for me to watch
Imagine a chicken being prosecuted for killing and eating a worm, then the case being canceled and the prosecutor moved to prosecute the fox that ate the chicken while it was out on bail, then move to prosecute the vigilante farmer that kills the fox that killed his employee. And finally extracting the parasitic worms that killed the farmer from his corpse to prosecute them
@Jonah Whale To give an animal legal personality means giving rights and duties. I think they're just mocking the idea that a worm could have an inalienable right and a chicken could have legal personality... because these aren't very serious arguments in favor of animal rights.
A big LOL at the guy at 22:50. As if vegan shouldn’t be able to criticize other vegans. I work in biomedical sciences, when we want to publish a paper we have to be evaluated and criticized on it to ajust what’s possibly wrong. Should we just all stop peers review because a biomedical scientist shouldn’t criticize the work of another biomedical scientist?
On the comparison of leather vs secondhand leather vs. faux/plastic leather, Kristen Leo has a great video that talks in depth about many of the impacts (including environment) of each option! She presents a lot of information about the production of all options, and i found it really educational.
The production factor isn't the issue. It's the fact that vegan shoes are obviously inferior in terms of longevity and the ability to protect the foot. A boot that doesn't provide protection in a construction site or other work condition isn't useful. Would you rather have a leather boot that prevents your foot from getting broken or a vegan boot that causes all your foot bones to crushed and require emergency surgery or even cause you to lose your foot. Without a leather steel toed boot.. I would have lost my left foot after a steel bar fell on it.
I know you try and keep your family private but I would really love to hear a video on age appropriate ways you talk to your toddler or are planning on how to talk to your kids about veganism. I plan to raise my kids vegan in similar ways you've talked about with your kids (i.e. understanding your limited control over their diet as they age and letting them choose for themselves). But I just can't think through age appropriate ways to tell young kids when they ask why friends' families eat meat and we don't.
I don't think she has any specific education or research interest in developmentally appropriate practices with young children. I'm a preschool teacher and have been studying how to talk to kids for about two years now. It's not easy! I recommend asking an early childhood professional or reading some books about child development and developmentally appropriate practices.
Why is it ok for kids to choose to sponsor slavery, mutilation and murder of non-human animals but kids killing dogs and cats after school is not? It shouldn't even be a choice to not be vegan. No matter what the child thinks there's place and time for everything and at a specific age(like 10) you can simply tell them the truth, that people all over the world have normalized slavery and murder of non-human animals and that you're against it and he/she should be to because it's the right thing to do. Children are not dumb, and if you have properly prepared yourself for raising one you'll deal with it. Which I hope you have, cause if not, how did you expect them to not grow up to be a burglar, terrorist or rapist? Just by letting them see that other people aren't and that it's against the law? That's not exactly how the world works. Not trying to come off as aggressive, trust me, so don't be offended or anything, those are legitimate questions without any sarcasm intended.
I'm an actual attorney, and I'm highly skeptical of that "Vegan Lawyer." She's outright said that she'd save a dog over a person. I question whether such a person is properly sane & credentialed to advise clients. Also, my family owns an organic blueberry farm & some of the farm workers have a coop area where they live on the farmland and hand-raise a small number of goats, milk cows and chickens. The animals live with their offspring free in a meadow with optional shelter in a barn to escape bad weather. They fertilize the land & runoff provides nutrients across the farm (we rotate their grazing position). They play with the human kids & have what any rational person can see is an ideal existence. They're certainly not slaves or mistreated, but nor are they persons! They wouldn't have lived at all if not for their symbiotic relationship with the human families & farm. Should their eggs be thrown away or eaten by the kids?
What happens to the dairy cows baby boys? They cannot provide milk so what happens to them? How can they get milk from the cows without taking their babies away? If the babies are breastfeeding you can’t get milk. What happens to the mother Cows when they run out of milk? What happens to the Male chicks that the chickens give birth to? Again they cannot provide eggs.
@@Lilyanna298 1. As stated, the cows are used for more than just milk. On a farm with crop rotation, they make awesome lawnmowers, weeders and fertilizers. Plus they're just darn lovely to have around. So Male and mumma cows who do not produce milk can still live happily on a farm for the rest of their natural days. 2. Same applies for Male chickens who also make awesome alarm clocks :) 3. An average milk cow can produce enough milk to sustain a calf and produce adequate milk for a small family without having to seperate the mummy and bub. Farming is hard. We need to encourage those who do it well and ethically!! :)
@@liz6683 I see they didn't answer you. They read the propaganda but they don't want to hear the truth. Every time that 'boy calves are killed' argument is debunked they run. That's not to say some factory farming practises don't do that and that's the stuff that needs to be stopped. Not eating animals will not help one iota and the sooner these people go after the correct targets the better. But hey they haven't been listening so far.
@@tkps Thanks for your concern, but I dont really mind that they didnt reply. Probably too busy! I 100% agree that there is way too much misinformation about food production and nutrition etc. Especially in the vegan community (hence why unnatural vegan videos are so awesome!) BUT. as a vegan myself, I think not eating animal products is extremely helpful IF you are in a position to do so. My original comment wasnt intended to be divisive. Just trying to fix some misunderstanding and spread some love :)
The vegan lawyer was recommended to me from another RUclipsr and I thought she was cool... Until she did that video about you. I'm fine if it was reasonable, but it wasn't. So I had to unsubscribe. I was afraid of what else she could have on her channel. Oh. Well. :-( Love these segments! Can't wait until I see more!
I love the fact that in French the word fan is fana -- implying fanatic. people loses their minds! Abbey Sharpe is a nutritionist, Canadian as am I not necessary info but she began as an omnivore hugging happy cows before they got led into slaughterhouses and has had the nous not to take any of those videos down. She's on a journey. I think she needs a refresher course in nutritional science but she is a testament to trying so hard to get things right. She did a segment on reductionist approaches to eating mindfully following UV's brilliant video on the subject and it was the perfect storm underneath -- insane PETA inspired lunatics which makes our shared concern for animal welfare etc etc look really bad if all someone sees is this frothing at the mouth maniac.
I think the "do your own research" thing is a combination of shame/embarrassment that they realise they can't explain because they don't actually understand enough to answer the questions and moral superiority. They can avoid that embarrassment and look like they "know stuff." It's terrible for society as a whole imo though; discussion and education is what we need. It really annoys me that so many people (vegan and otherwise) treat veganism as not using animal products, like it's a list of you can have/do this but not that. For me it's about reducing animal exploitation and minimising my effect on the environment; that includes reducing my waste and reducing harm overall. It's so much more complex than do this/don't do that. Nuance and context matters, it's never that simple.
Good video! Hope you read the comment that The Spaghettification made which was SPOT ON! They wrote 'Understanding how class, racism, gender, ableism etc. relate to health, lifestyle, food choices, consumer behavior, etc. is ESSENTIAL for effective vegan activism'. Am an evolutionist,and long time environmentalist, plant based (since '63) , and believe in 2020 humans are indeed evolving due to being better educated, about the environmental impact, to all of society, of the danger of animal consumption. What concerns me is so many RUclips vegans (mostly millennial's) don't seem to give any thought to helping the poor, the disfranchised. Nor do they seem to speak of the importance of living in a smaller home, being more minimalist, less consumerist, reducing their carbon foot print by traveling;/driving less, avoiding processed/prepackaged foods whose containers are not recyclable. And thinking beyond their own bubble. Or helping at local food banks be healthy fruit, vegetables,nuts and grains oriented so healthy whole foods are accessible to those in most need. Those of of us who are vegan and volunteer at area food banks are all over the age of fifty. Am semi retired but have worked with WHO (World Health Organization), Médecins Sans Frontières, (Doctors Without Borders), the Peace Corps and volunteer with Habitat For Humanity and area food banks. Being vegan/plant based and volunteering with local/state/regional groups that have NOTHING to do with being vegan/plant based is one of the BEST ways to show how positive the vegan/plant based lifestyle can be. Instead of being seen as cliquish, odd, or a fad.
I love your channel, and this comes from a non-vegan. Because of food sensitivities, I’ve had to cut dairy and greatly reduced egg consumption. For health and environmental reasons we are eating less meat. For whatever reason I feel comfortable with your channel and you make veganism feel attainable. Thank you.
I just wanted to say: I'm a physician and I love your content. You're so practical, nuanced and thoughtfull. Also, you know your way around statistics so much more than many RUclipsrs who claim to have all the insight into studies. And the main reason why I have so much respect for you: you admit when you were wrong or you don't know something. Such a great thing to do!
I didn't give you a thumbs up only because this is not personal on the part of UV. Not holding self to same high standards, I realized I disliked her; also Freely; but I can't afford that kind of animosity, so loved UV's take.
I absolutely despise all those rich vegan preaching super "healthy" food made with overly expensive products and machine. I love all those "no waste" vegan as well who all have multiple apple product and big modern houses...
I'm so desperate to have enough money put to one side to buy a kitchen aid or something so I can make my own bread. Right now I have to buy bread and recycle the bags. I get that these people try to be aspirational, but I'm not going to feel ashamed because I physically can't knead my own bread dough. I do what I can about plastic.
@@erinnenchanted3164 Sorry if I'm being prying: do you have circumstances that prevent you kneading the dough by hand? It's pretty easy and doesn't take much time.
@Jonah Whale It tastes good, it's a basic part of Western cuisine, it's a great source of calories if you need them. But mostly it's that bread is delicious.
@moths from neptune They're not reducing any footprint. Lol. They're increasing it and trying to preach and patronize poor people into making lifestyle changes they cannot afford.
I never noticed your hair being any thinner, but it looks great! And I like these videos, good conversation and clarification on points people may have misunderstood. Also rogue is who you're thinking of.
Freelee has been working on her "criticism" video on you for years it seems... How much do you want to bet its just her taking you out of context and the whole point of her video being "Im skinny and ur not" she now pretty much just uses the argument that shes skinny with a flat stomach as "proof" of her diet lol 😭
@moths from neptune True, many people diet in order to lose weight. I won't deny that, however how has UV slandered Freelee? Pointing out the flaws in Freelee's own arguments around raw till 4, vegan activism and how out of touch she has become isn't slander. Freelee has slandered vegans such as Jenna Marbles and UV heaps of times and yet you don't think it's slander, especially towards Jenna. An example of how Freelee is out of touch is when responding to Jenna marbles, she talked about Jenna adopting a farm animal in order to keep making an ethical connection, it’s unrealistic to do so and irresponsible behaviour as many who live urban environments may not have the resources to look after them. Sure adopting chickens or ducks may be an option but definitely not pigs. Also slandering Jenna herself by saying she is slipping from a vegan diet, where there is no evidence of that occurring. The gram crackers and ramen noodles incident are not conclusive of Jenna being less vegan at all and most likely an accidental purchase. Jenna has owned up to the fact that she made a mistake, but isn't actively promoting or implying that people should buy these products. Plus, Jenna's main focus on her channel isn't veganism and should never be forced to do so. If your counter argument is going to be that Jenna supports Freelee, it may not be relevant especially it seems that Jenna no longer support Freelee or condones her behavior. Another example is Freelee slandering UV by calling her a meat and dairy shill with no evidence to prove that. Don't you think that is slander? There's no proof anywhere that UV secretly eats meat, unlike Rawvana who got caught eating fish when she claimed to be vegan for a long time. There's no evidence of either UV or Jenna Marbles becoming less vegan and Freelee is not the face of veganism, nor should she believe that she can dictate who is or isn't vegan. Vegan gatekeeping is harmful Freelee makes assumptions of others and dismisses out of hand any facts to the contrary. Anyone who criticises freelee is obviously a shill (sarcasm) and the vegans who dont kiss my ass are just take vegans. Freelee stills acts like she is the gate keeper for the vegan movement and is just full of herself. Her intentions may be pure but her actions speak louder and quite clearly freelee can never be mature enough to let go of a grudge.
@moths from neptune also, freelee considers periods a bad thing and it's good to lose your period. Which is B.S pseudoscience, who thinks periods are bad for you? It's the exact opposite, it's a concern if women just lost their periods with no good explanation or known medical conditions. Also, being anti vax and anti chemotherapy is helping NO ONE. Just because Freelee thinks they are toxic doesn't mean she is right, she is very, very ignorant of the facts regarding vaccination and chemotherapy treatments. She isn't a credible source for anything substantial, scientific wise and will cherrypick the sources she believes is fact. Being an asshole isn't going to win you any favours on the internet, no matter how many people you inspire to become vegan. Having an aggressive " in your face" attitude, will just push people, even if these people are considered emotional "crybabies" by Freelee. They will still reject her message and think she is the crazy vegan lady on the internet.
@@nicolamira12 If you buy brand-new leather, you *ARE* actively funding the animal agriculture industry. You are providing a demand for that product. You are funding the industry, allowing them to upscale their production. That said, second-hand leather? At least you aren't directly funding the animal agriculture industry. Can you still be indirectly contributing? Sure! Like if you wear leather in public, you are essentially advertising that product. If you talk about it, you're basically advertising/encouraging it. By wearing it, you're sending mixed signals to people on whether or not leather products are unethical.
@@HerrMisterTheo Just buy second-hand. Put away the label of "vegan" because that's not helpful. Do you think it's ethical to directly support an industry that rapes, slaughters, humans for their skins to make shoes, if those are the only shoes that are "safe"? What if you don't directly support that industry by buying second-hand skin shoes, instead? In that scenario do you think it'd be ethical to purchase those? Please do not bring up the "encourage/discourage" arguments, because that's tangential to the hypotheticals posed to you. Again, I don't care about labels, I just want to know if you think that's ethical or not.
Thank you for your videos which always are entertaining and interesting :) I wanted to say though that I don't think comparing animal exploitation/industry to slavery is a very good idea. The reasoning behind the comparison appears very sound to me buuuut slavery still exists and also has a huge impact on today's world (and especially slave-descendants' lives) so many many people feel strongly about it. They may reject veganism because plenty of vegans make this comparison and it hurts them (actually plenty of people definitely do hate white vegans because of that). I know it's not the intention but it sounds like comparing slaves to non-human animals whiiiich... Yeah, not so good. I'm sure we could find better comparisons to make than this one. (the vegan community? not sure who's the "we" lol white vegans I guess) Also, in case it wasn't clear, I do understand you never said that animals were slaves or anything (unlike some other vegans). And I love your videos, keep up the good work!! I hope what I said was clear, english is not my first language ^^'
Just so you know, your point comes across well. I mean english is my first language but I suck at english and I could understand your comment no problem. May i ask what your first language is?
Nor mine; you write extremely well. It's clear that whales have big brains with a frontal cortex and may be smarter than we. But I think you are taking about current often illegal practices. I thought Ruth Rendell's Simisola managed very well to expose a privileged white male living in Nigeria I believe and removing passport and other connections and along with his son, sexually abused her. When I was growing up and knew a lot of affluent people; the yuppie period e.g.; 2 income family; house in Tuscany or South of France although never bothering to learn the respective languages; tiny bedroom -- of course it's nauseating. And still goes on. Aparteid mentality. It's why Tom Petty, many moons ago, high on coke most likely, wrapped himself in the confederate flag then threw it into the audience. Originally he was talking about a returning vet with PTSD blaming everyone else for his misery; but Tom was a method performer and got carried away. And apologized for it. And some KKK asshole uploaded with comments disabled -- it's the internet.
I’m really glad you made this point. I was really uncomfortable with that comparison and glad I wasn’t the only one. In general, I don’t think it’s appropriate to compare human slavery to animal cruelty at all. It’s down playing how terrible slavery was/still is and slightly condoning how people are/were able to justify it it. (I understand this wasn’t her intention but it definitely came across that way to me).
The other day my girlfriend got me a “instant” noodle cup. I then realized it was by Mcdougall 😂 the taste was fine but the noodles are not instant at all, they were hard even after like 10 minutes in the cup with boiling water. And it promoted the starch solution book on the cup 😐
With the exception of Michael Greger, I don't watch vegan celeb doctors however well-meaning or convinced they are. I'm not a nutritional scientist; I do check things our on Google Scholar and PubMed, because I acquired the skill to read peer-reviewed articles through my own education. Doesn't make me smarter; just someone who learned to swim; just a skill, and both of them useful.
Ps. I remember in a recent video that you mentioned you've never used an air fryer & I just have to say it is my absolute favorite appliance I've ever owned ever. I'm not oil free or anything, it just makes the best crispy vegan chicken nuggets and tater tots 😭
Sorry millennials,, I love avocadoes but they are certainly in Chile and Mexico a scary monocrop. California doesn't export because they don't have to; South Africa seems to be ok so far. We have to look at ourselves. I hear you; no such thing as a superfood, but mixing it up will promote nutrient retention and good microbiome. Stuff like Kimchi and Sauerkraut are fermented, so good agents; probably UV finds them horrible -- can't get over how many foods for textural or bitterness quotient drives you nuts Swayse (hope I spelled name right)… think Colette my sis is a supertaster too, although the only thing she objects to is capisum heat. It's all good.
I've been vegan for ~4 years now (before that I was vegetarian for 11 years), & I had a tough decision when buying my first car last year. The car I ended up buying has leather seats, but it was a USED car. Meaning that it had already had a previous owner. It was also the newest car I had found in my price-range (everything else was super old; I was honestly surprised when I found this one), & while I did not WANT to buy a car w/leather seating, there it was: A used car with no previous accidents or major issues. So I decided to buy it. In the future if I ever were to buy a non-used car, I would NOT buy one w/leather seats. But I think buying a used car is okay in a way since it doesn't contribute to the supply & demand for new cars to be made with leather.
YUP. Same as HIV medications... Prevented a lot of deaths. I absolutely hate it but I understand the need for medical advancements. I would like for our society to make much larger advancements in this though.
I enjoyed the video but I really don't think using slavery as an example is beneficial. They are two very different phenomonas and there are a lot of nuances to both. Eating animals is a process of our evolution. Owning humans is rooted in economics and racial policies. Eating animals was beneficial for the human species to evolve, even though as primates we can eat a generalized diet, hunting small game was a way to clothes us and get sufficient calories. Slavery is a byproduct of racism and colonialism. Racism was the ideology that persisted that facilitated slavery to occur. Capitalism and greed are what facilitate animal cruelty today but most people are not engaging in specific acts just supporting the system that provides them with food.
@Jonah Whale that is an interesting take. But I think in the context of the video Unnatural vegan was pointing to the recent past, as she mentions that most people cannot say that they wouldn't own slaves. Again slavery is very complex. If we look back at ancient forms of slavery the way in which they were conducted is different from that of chattle slavery of the transatlantic. I just don't think these two issues can be used in the same manner. Humans and animals are different, and so I think evoking the slavery example is kind of lazy. Slavery has always been unethical. But has eating meat always been unethical? Factoring farming is of course disgusting but what about subsistence farming? Or the hunting practices of small communities in isolated areas? Like I said in my initial comment these issues are both nuanced.
@@veganworldorder9394 because vegans like the vegan lawyer make us look like whackos and therefore our movement isnt taken seriously so we end up hating being labelled as vegan because of whackos like the vegan lawyer
@@veganworldorder9394 I didn't say that I'm embarrassed about adhering to the tenets of veganism, just the attitudes associated with it. Attitudes I was guilty of myself when I first went vegan tbf
@@dippyhippy7166 As far as I know, vegan lawyer speaks always truthfully. That's the only thing I care about and that's the only thing everyone should care about. No matter if it pleases people or not. Now I don't understand what you mean when you say she makes her look like wackos ? Did she make some explicit mistakes that you can point me at ?
@@chloeking3429 You should know that the bad attitude associated with veganism is not a result on vegans themself (unless you can prove that vegans are in average more annoying than the average people) but a result of the guilt that people feel when they are reminded that they can live without killing animals (by being vegan)
Rin Lila that’s exactly what it is, and even worse, are the RAW “carnivores”. 😖🤢🤮 I have such a hard time imagining eating raw meat, or raw animal organs. If I think about too much I start to gag.
i've been vegan for years and i still buy leather boots for work because they're not only better quality and better for the environment, but more durable, and easier to keep in good condition which is important when you work in a fire department where you are constantly on the news. I've been attacked by other vegans for this but part of my reason for going vegan was for the environment and faux leather is not only worse for the environment but not nearly as durable as my job demands.
I also think it would be one thing if animals were killed just for leather but it’s a byproduct of meat consumption. Is it more ethical for that skin to rot as waste vs cured into leather? Maybe that’s an odd way to see it, but I’m an odd woman. It’s not like fur where animals are killed just for the fur. The animal deaths are happening with leather, whether people like it or not. It’s legal. Why not use it?
Katie Marsh So if there would have been a company that would breed people for their breast milk and then, when they would get to their "productivity limit" they would murder them and use for say leather, would you buy it? I mean the company exists and we can't just wait usable human corpses. Take it further, why aren't we then advocating for people who die to be recycled for the better of the society and the environment? Cause there's a shit load of people dying all over the world and we just keep wasting the precious resources, what's up with that?
@@pep-o-butt672 Well to be fair in some countries there is talk of automatically donating your organs when you die unless you opt out for you own reasons. I think this good as I'm not religious and it means there would be a huge increase of organs for transplants which could save lives. Similar thing, so yeah it happens. And plastic leather is bad fro the environment so taking real leather from an already dead cow within an industry that will take time to die is less of a waste and a smaller environmental impact.
re: clothes. Sigh. I was brought up to think that you found your style etc. by my mum (wore a uniform for 13 yrs which made this academic for a while) found the best most long wearing version of it; your wardrobe lasted a long time. This means sheering sheep and picking cotton. What so many people do not get about fast fashion is that it is, largely in China, the 3rd biggest polluter on the planet and yes requires child labour. So don't throw away those leather boots if you can look after them and will wear them for 10 yrs. I don't seek out extravagant clothes but when my mother died she left me her mink coat. Do I wear it? Yes at concerts (music lover) because it's warm, it reminds me of Eva who would gain so much pleasure from this kind of outing and they're dead already. Recommended reading; Alice Munro whose father bred minks under horrible conditions until the market bottomed out. The seal hunt in Canada was a huge topic; Brigitte Bardot turned up, after castrating her neighbour's donkey for trying to mate with one of her rescue horses and supporting LePen … (Bardot not the donkey) the world is mad.
Your response to the Vegan Lawyer is the exact reason why I watch your videos even thought I may not be vegan. You are rational and reasonable and always make me think without screaming at me about how evil wrong and stupid I am. I highly appreciate your views and opinions!
The antinatalist argument is not a word game. By not bringing someone into the world, you spare them going through the pain they would have experienced, which is good. That this is good should be clear. Preventing suffering is good. By contrast, to believe that not bringing someone into existence somehow harms that person by denying them pleasure doesn't make any sense. The person would be subjected to harm by being brought into existence to suffer (so the argument goes that it's good that they're not), but not harmed by not being brought into existence and not getting to experience pleasure (so it doesn't matter that they weren't brought into existence). I think the only potential way around this argument, the only way to justify having children, is to argue that the benefit of doing it is for people already in the world (like the parents, broader family, a community, or society at large), and that we should be reasonably sure that the benefit to us will outweigh the harm that will befall them (which we ultimately can't know for sure). Having children is not something we do to benefit them, if we're honest with ourselves. Those of us that do it do it because we want to have children, we want the joys of seeing them grow and learn and have fun, we want the experience of being a parent, or we think it's the right thing to do for society or what not (speaking best case scenarios here, obviously).
To be clear, as soon as these children become part of our lives, they become part of the community which we try to benefit and do right by. So having your second child might benefit your first one, as well as you and your partner and anyone else whose lives might be made better. I'm not suggesting good parents look at their children with the attitude of what they can get out of them once those children are already in the world. I'm specifically referring to the decision to bring them into the world in the first place, which cannot be said to be done to benefit the children themselves (that is, going from not existing to existing isn't doing someone a favour, and they're not harmed if they're not brought into existence). Once they're here, by contrast, all other parental decisions can be motivated by benefitting the child, what's best for them, etc.
I’d love an entire video about the ethics of eating at a restaurant as a vegan. What should you do when someone brings you an order with dairy in it? Do you let them know it’s wrong? I’d never want to send it back to have it just thrown in the trash. But also, do you let them know they messed up so they don’t do the same thing again? Would it be better to box it up and give it to a non-vegan and then order a different dish? Also, how do you order food to make sure it’s vegan when you can’t be back in the kitchen? Do you say it’s an allergy rather than veganism? How about the breads they bring out. Do you ask if it’s vegan? I want to try to make veganism seem super chill and easy and not like all vegans are super paranoid and annoying about their food.
@Jonah Whale so when you eat out and get a wrong or messed up order you just leave your friends sitting there? I'm just trying to understand how that is practical for someone who eats out on a social occasion. I believe that'd make veganism look insane to the friends/family/colleagues you're with. But I also don't understand why throwing food away is better than eating it. You may not be able to find someone to take the non vegan food (I live in a very small town with no homeless people, family members might have different tastes than you etc) Organic waste in landfills produces a huge amount of methane and contributes to climate change.
I feel like you haven’t just been sipping tea.. you’ve been SPILLING it! 😂🙌🏻 I love this series by the way! So happy to see such a logical vegan voice on RUclips! I love fruits and veggies but I also like mock meats and cooked food lol
As a vegan, who has a degree in pharmaceutical biotechnology, I really struggle with the animal testing. I get asked quite frequently how I can study something like I do with the attitude I have towards animal cruelty. What I think most people don’t know or forget is that *every* pharmaceutical product *has* to be tested on animal (by law). Because which human would want to be the one to try it without knowing the lethal dose? Cells just don’t work the same way, body’s do, so these test just aren’t advanced enough.
So rapists, pedophiles, sex traffickers, drug dealers and murderers have more right than innocent non-human animals? What are the reasons the government doesn't want to test on those people? I mean it would be just 10000% more efficient in every aspect, faster trials, literally free objects to test on AND they't punishing the shitty people who instead would go n jail for 7 years for rape and get out in 3 on excellent behaviour. Shit like that just confuses the hell out of me. Literally hundreds of innocent rats, dogs, cats and monkeys are bred to be murdered and you think it's ok just cause it's the law and the law has no other way do things.
@@pep-o-butt672 I don't know where you live, but generally humans by law have more rights than non-humans. With your argumentation you could also say concentration camps were justified, which they obviously weren't.
I get your issues with intersectionality now; I actually went back to school with some inspiration from APHRO-ISM (an awesome book that you all should read, BTW). Specifically, the Ko sisters make the point that while Dr. Crenshaw's theory is good for *analyzing* systemic oppression and how it manifests in different forms in our world...it really doesn't tell us anything about how to get past them and build a world beyond them (which is fair; it was never meant to do that). I personally don't use the term itself in a lot of my videos or writing anymore (without explaining it) because it does lead to a lot of the confusion you talked about. People want to be "woke" when it comes to race issues, LGBT rights, disability rights, and other causes, which isn't a bad thing, but using academic jargon isn't needed to do that. I think it's important to understand systemic oppression, but also to work toward a world beyond it (aka why I started emphasizing the importance of community care). Also, Rogue was the character in X-Men with the gray streak. :P I've had a skunk stripe since I was 12 and have often pondered cosplaying as her.
Not directly related to the vid, but somewhat. I have been watching for a long time but never comment. Just wanted to add some praise to counter critics. I have been a vegetarian for years and am considering a transition to veganism in the future. The major difficulty is being young and under my parents roof, they to an extent will dictate what we eat until i am independent. Flashback to a few years ago when i watched channels like freelee and wanted desperately to be fit&healthy and decided that it would be unattainable for me as i found it ridiculous and nauseating to eat bunches of bananas and gallons of date smoothies every day. I was young and naive but im glad i was never able to attempt a diet like that. Then i found your channel and saw that there are pretty easy ways to eat balanced, “normal” foods (and even to do high protein because i tend to strive for that). At this point, I am confident i will be able to make the transition to veganism down the road. In my opinion, everyone has their right to critique, but your channel presents well-researched ethical & health information, that has personally helped me to more seriously pursue veganism. I believe your channel does way more good than harm. Again, just trying to add to the pool of praise rather than criticism (and share my experience with your channel)
Vegan Health Fitness and Vegan Sista actually seem like nice people! Too bad neither of them are very active on RUclips anymore 😕 but in other words, I think you did the right thing by unloading your intersectionality videos. Honestly, society needs to be in the right headspace to rationalize it more, where we come up with solutions to solve the systemic racism and oppression. People have been conditioned to ignore it and get hotheaded when it’s brought up. We need to start understanding our differences and accepting each other for who we are while being inclusive, tolerant, and compassionate. 💕
Hair loss sucks. 😭 Mine’s been thinning out so much over the last handful of years, and it’s probably due to some of the medications I’ve had to take for Rheumatoid Arthritis. I think it’s hard for everybody, regardless of the cause. Having had “Disney Princess” hair for most of my life became such a big part of my identity; now with my hair being so different and thinning out, it REALLY hurts how I feel about myself. I just turned 35 and have very few gray hairs though, maybe 5? 7? lol But I’ve been working on being okay with that change; so far it doesn’t bother me. I call gray hairs “silver strands of wisdom”!
I believe in species in that it is why ppl choose to eat meat, but id honestly like to know what these the vegans game plan is for the likely scenario of a fire in an apartment complex for instance, if cats had legal personhood rights ( and im the biggest cat lover ever) that means that the firemen might have to save the 5 cats apt A before saving the baby in apartment E. And even if there were towns that could afford an animal fire department section thats definitely not going to happen in every small town.
great video as always! i’m just interested in why you think Christina Hoff Sommers is a “bad actor”? I thought she brought up some reasonable points about intersectionality and also I don’t think there’s anything particularly egregious about her criticisms about contemporary feminism.
I was wondering where your intersectionality videos went. It makes sense to unlist them if they were being misunderstood. I don't think I ever saw all of them. Maybe someday you can remake them and make them patron only or something.
Hi Swayze! Love your channel, keepin me sane while navigating veganism... one topic suggestion: coffee with fortified plant milk, is there an impaired absorption of calcium and the fortification because of caffeine or whatever components in coffee? As i sort of count on my soy milk as calcium source, would love to know your research findings there... plus: Healthy Crazy Cool has mentioned you very positively on his channel, and while you both have diametrically opposite personalities, your message is very similar, would also love to hear your thoughts on his vids... love your channel!
I'd like to see you as a vegan discuss things like venom/anti venom deriving from snakes, bugs, etc, including the argument that bee keepers are making for using honey instead of agave since they're actually keeping good care of these animals. Could you comment on these areas?
I'm not completely agreeing on the importance thing. It depends on the perspective. Humans are more important from a human perspective. Cows are more important than bees from a conscience/sentience perspective but bees are still more important than all humans, cows and worms together from an ecological perspective.
About backyard hens I recently watch a reels that was a great example of how you can "cut corners" without selling the eggs. It was part of the trend to be self sufficient when it comes to food production. The girl was explaining that she doesn't let her chickens to roam the garden freely anymore because they were laying less eggs; however, her justification was that roaming must be stressful for them and that's why there were less eggs. A curious example of cognitive dissonance. If you think that providing a good life to the chicken will provide you with more eggs... you may start viewing it the other way around and assuming that if it provides you more eggs is good for the chicken. In other words, I think the probability of exploration is there even if there is not economic compensation.
honestly still waiting on freelee’s video response to you that she keeps saying she’s going to make but never actually seems to, purely because i know your response to her response would be incredible (also thank u for responding to that vegan lawyer, i’ve only watched one of her videos before but her tone is incredibly off putting and her arguments are borderline nonsensical in a pragmatic real world context :/)
Isn’t That Vegan Lawyer kind of the one who is a human supremacist, since she thinks animals should have personhood which implies being a person is the highest form of life? 🤔 I know personhood doesn’t mean they’re a person but it does imply animals don’t have individuality without laws seeing them as individuals which just isn’t true.
Wtf? Humans would still be individuals even if our laws didnt distinguish that.... do people really believe that? The wtf isnt to you. It's about the subject of your comment. I didnt know this was a belief (I dont follow other vegans on any social media so I'm unfamiliar with beliefs and arguments.
I'm not vegan, so maybe I'm seeing things weirdly here, but I just don't think that animals have the same social rights as humans. They live by completely different rules than the ones that judge modern human society. You can't just pull up the bill of rights to a colony of ants. If you want to be vegan it's for you, and because you dislike suffering, and because you like the planet. Don't do it because it's the better thing to do. People are no better than animals because we have morals imo, we're not "more evolved" because of our sympathy. How we do things isn't better than how they do things. We don't know what every animal is, much less how they do things.
@Jonah Whale Nature has it's own laws, survival of the fittest and a lot of other things. They wouldn't know our laws if we told it to them. We can apply unique laws in the way humans treat non-human animals, but since only humans living in society sign a social contract we can't have an actual fair and equal judicial system with animals. I'm mainly arguing against the point that the vegan lawyer made btw. I don't think we can apply "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" to other nations of people outside of america persay, much less to animals.
I just love how respectful you are, thank you. Your channel encourages me more than anything to be a vegan someday because it shows the amazing supportive side of the vegan community, rather than the extreme, and rude side. Love your videos! :)
I am currently only vegetarian, however watching your videos have inspired me to try and cut out even more animal products from my diet! I am a college student and it can be really hard with the food options provided in the dorms. I never want to seem like I'm telling people what to do with their channel but I would love a video about ways to make veganism more accessible, especially for people like college students, who would be open but have limited resources. Thanks! ❤️
What do some of these extremist vegans not get about relating to other humans? Do they just hugely struggle with social interaction? 1. The vast majority of people want children and partners (and this is coming from someone that doesn’t really want children and if I do I will adopt). The statistics in the US support that. 2. People don’t want to live off fruit only 3. People struggle with health in our society in general, being extremely restrictive won’t be helpful with stopping meat-eating 4. Being kind and compassionate is always best 5. Being able to recognize how different human experiences are and how much wealth disparity exists will help you actually help people become vegan. 6. Do 100 vegan meals on $50 videos instead of fat-shaming, eat only fruit, “anyone can be vegan,” etc type of videos. So many more thoughts but ending it there haha
Okay is it just me or is Swayze seems more to be a lawyer than the actual “lawyer”. LOL Swayze I aspire to be like you, so calm and so educated. ALSO... how is being a lawyer relevant to these vegan response videos?!
She studied philosophy and the ideas of philosophy such as "fairness" "morality" and "consequences" are a HUGE part of legal analysis and law enforcement.
I’ve really been enjoying these because you’re like the only vegan “discussion” channel that I follow, and these have made me think a lot more about where I stand on certain aspects of veganism
I started out trying to go vegan and stopped at being vegetarian (although I am 80% (ish) vegan just naturally by the way I eat). When I first started getting rid of meat I went slowly. I have autism and I tend to jump into things obsessively. So I cut out pork, then beef and so on. But while I did that it as told I had to be plastic free, and waste free, and raw and low fat. And it drove me crazy. I was a college student and lived on campus in the dorm. It was hard to do all of that. And things are expensive. It sucks. And I also got the “you aren’t one of the crazy Peta people are you?” I strive not to be that way!
Hello. Non-vegan here. Just wanted to pop in and say you’re definitely making a difference ❤️ Thank you for the videos. I’m feeling very inspired to start making changes.
maømaøde I have a very bad and destructive relationship with food. I tend to jump to extremes, so I have to make small changes a little at a time. Restrictions in my diet spiral into eating disorders very quickly. There are very few Vegan influences online that can be inspirational and helpful without fixating on “health” (which is just cover for “losing weight”). So, Unnatural Vegan is helpful in providing a welcoming, inclusive environment that doesn’t throw fatphobic and bad nutritional high horse comments in her viewers’ faces. Trying to find the right information when “loud” or most popular online vegans have the most accessible content is difficult for people with a history of ED, because we’re not looking for “healthy, low-fat, low-protein, low-carb”. Since a lot of it is triggering, it’s difficult navigating it without spiraling, getting scared I’ll hurt myself, etc. Right now, our lunches (and some breakfasts) are vegan, and we’re working on making filling Vegan dinners at least once a week. We’re working on it. :)
@@AnimeCountDown looking at some of this persons comments they have a very toxic approach to veganism and life in general which is not what it's about and a waste of energy on their part. Good on you for not bowing to that negativity. Go at your own pace, every little helps. You wont be helping anyone or the animals if you push yourself into a downwards spiral 🙂 I wish you luck in your journey, not just in veganism but with your MH too, you sound like you're doing very well! I hope it's onwards and upwards for you 😊
The problem of the commodification of animals is exactly how I feel, though I am a vegetarian and not a vegan. I live in a place where many people have cows and hens as 'kind of' pets(I say 'kind of' because they are wild but are given shelter and food by certain people, but are not trapped in small cages or anything). Cows are not miatreated, given hormones and neither their milk or flesh are sold. These folks do milk the cows and use the milk, and the gens eggs are solely eaten by the people that keep them. When the cows die(naturally) their flesh is made into leather. I feel the same about the people that keep bees and eats their honey.
I "use" my dog as a guard dog. She protects me and alerts me to danger and she gets a loving home with endless food and soft beds. How is that exploiting her.
Can you talk about the treatment of workers on industrialized agriculture farms in the US? It’s an environmental justice issue and it is essentially modern day slavery. I know it may not be a animal rights issue, but these are real people being exploited and more of us need to become aware of the situation. Not many people really talk about this. I just think you would be interested in this topic, and I would be interested in what you’d have to say about this and our food system as a whole in the United States.
I feel like you are keeping it real. I don't get the dramatic radical vegans. You must have flexibility to stay sane in this world. My approach is always been -every little helps-
In terms of leather vs vegan boots...most work boots are STEEL TOED (a piece of steel is curved around the toes and then placed inside the leather to protect your toes from.falling objects such as tools.) Leather is easier to mold than plastic and more durable meaning the steel won't be worn down or exposed. Leather boots are LITERALLY safer due to the steel toe and plastic boots are often banned from factories (at least it was from mine) for this very reason. So yeah....leather boots are the WAY BETTER choice but it doesnt make you not vegan to use them. It can save your foot from injury. Plastic boots makes your job less safe.
As a child-free (but probably not antinatalist - I'm pretty on the fence about it) viewer, I personally would have loved to see your take on that topic 🤷 I feel like I often struggle to grasp philosophical arguments like that and you're pretty good at explaining stuff. But I understand if you consider AN too far out of scope of a vegan channel :)
I've only seen clips by two antinatalists through response videos: superhumandance and inmendham. Is there anything about antinatalism that is connected to them making a lot of videos topless, or a larger number of response videos being made to videos where they are topless? What the hell?
Great video! You mentioned a few before to make one about the article stating vegans are dumb 😁 That would be cool! (Since I watch your content, I say “cool” like you
Should I do a third one of these, probably including gojiman?
Yes. Please😉
Him starting his video by promoting some quacky health tests should be strike one
Yesssss
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You trusting a skeptic over a medical professional should be a strike against you
I’m a zoologists who works with Great Apes (gorillas, orangutans and bonobos), and hearing anyone mention bonobos makes my heart happy! Not enough people know about them, in my humble opinion 😅 I’ve been a subscriber for a while and have always respected the way you research and present your opinions. Love having an educated, logical voice in the vegan community, even if not everyone sees it that way 🙄
Rebecca Shoffner so cool! My friend and I got our undergraduate degrees in Anthropology.
Her dream is basically your job, to do conservation work with non-human primates, especially great apes! :)
Robert Sapolsky got me fascinated in the social dynamics of Bonobos through his "Human Behavioral Biology" lectures! They are underrated. 😁
I know this isn’t a video that can be made now, but in the future when Toddler starts going to school could you do a video of the food you pack in their lunches? It would be nice to get some ideas because many vegan kids lunchbox videos I see on here aren’t very balanced.
unnatual vegan's advice would be for you to give kids nothing but mock meats and icecream mixed with protein power, and no fruit ever
Yes! I would love for her to do a little lunch box series. That would be so helpful.
@@phuck8627 mm no it wouldn't
Yeah nah puck you. You just trolling. I am sure she would have some protein in there. I mean a good quality bread and peanut butter will do it.
@@phuck8627 you all right dude? Wanna get stuff off your chest?
Your channel should be called Un-Alienating Vegan because that’s what you do. You make people feel less alienated and a lot of other extreme vegan channels alienate hardcore. Also is unalienating a word? Probably not 😂
Peace.Love.Veggies you’re right tho!!
Peace.Love.Veggies it’s a word now!
Such a great point!
That Vegan Lawyer referred to those who support you as “Unnatural Vegan apologists.” She then went on to personally insult those (including myself) who left a comment in support of you in a video without blurring out names. Thank you for being the more mature one.
A good exemple that a degree doesn’t always come with good sense.
Vince Vince good point.
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Yes queen 👑
I want a "Unnatural Vegan Apologist" shirt! 😍
The blanket ban on leather shoes that some vegan have really grinds my gears. My husband has to wear safety boots to work. If he buys non leather they usually last 6 months and he often comes home with sore feet. His leather ones he currently has are coming up to 4 years old, are still in good condition and even after a 13 hour day his feet are not sore. Non leather shoes are primarily made from plastic (especially work boots). I’m sure the 8 pairs of plastic boots he would of gone through in the past 4 years would of cost more animal life if you trace the plastic back to its origins as oil, not too mention the environmental impact. And we’d probably of spent several times the amount in the long run too. One $160 pair every 4 years vs $50 every 6 months?
Good point. My partner works in warehouses and drives fork lifts, health and safety dictates he wears leather steel toe caps approved by the company. So he wouldn't be able to bring in his own pair. Does having that unfortunate part of working so we can live mean he or your husband are not vegan? No, it's being stuck between a rock and a hard place where finance and resources leave us with unfortunate options.
Dippy Hippy yeah. And if they’re so bothered they should invest in finding an alternative option that doesn’t involve using leather but with the durability of leather (or better). “Don’t tell people never to do something unless you have an alternative that works.” That quote sits with me a lot when I offer criticism too. Don’t tell people never to wear leather if you can’t offer solutions to situations where wearing leather can be necessary.
Yes! Sometimes the alternatives are worse in the long run than the leather is. I don't require specialized work boots, so when my shoes wear out, I try to buy used leather ones. That way, I'm not directly funding leather production, but those shoes are also not going to turn into tiny bits of plastic in my local waterways when they inevitably wear out. Perfectionist standards only work in a world that is also perfect.
carly smith I would do the same ❤️
@@HNGuthrie I loved your comment it reminded me so much of the Fairly Local Vegan now Fairly Local Family who bought her son a pair of second hand leather shoes. Yet the vegans jumped on her calling her a "fake vegan" and not a "real vegan" saying she doesn't care about the animals..etc but they were second hand her kid needed the shoes❤️❤️
As a long time vegan myself, it’s weird that i don’t relate and can’t connect with these extreme vegans online. I’m on unnatural vegans level. If you want to be vegan forever you need to chill and be realistic.
Agreed 100%. I even mentioned that on my last video: you can rather be a miserable person or be in peace with reality. Why is that a hard choice for some? 🤔
Qwerty truth
Yes! I truly believe a chill approach is not only better for us but also for our message.
Qwerty as a long time vegan I have never resinated with UN “vegan”. Being vegan isn’tabout being silent its not about ourselves. Its about the animals and their abuse that we are demanding to stop. People call us “extreme” and “superior” and when it is ironic that our behavior towards other beings and this planet is extreme and the fact people put other animals on the back burner and say oh if you talk ab veganism youre extreme. Meanwhile if anything, YOU believe you’re superior to other animals and want to be an apologist to other carnists so be it, but that is your speciesism. The irony is rich.
@@Godlyseitan thank god for you. This comment section is a joke.
Come on, Swayze, with the vegan lawyer video you didn't even get to the part where she says that your eating disorder wasn't real
She didn't!? :O
😱 You gotta be kidding me! There should be a psychological test to get a diploma.
SpitfireMase you clearly don’t understand her 3 strikes your out system smh
To be blunt I honestly cannot stand That Vegan Lawyer. I watched three of her videos and I legit just -ears bleed-. She comes off very obnoxious and elitist. I know that’s a bit brash but my god girl it’s like a faster talking Freelee
She's friends with freelee lol
@@RM-ty2qy Friends is an understatement lol, it honestly sounds like she's in love with Freelee with the amount of constant ass-kissing she gives her.
@@JeremyJenner I thought that lol, Freelee is a massive narcissist so she eats it up.
I agree, she gave off such a horrible vibe that I couldn't even watch a whole video of hers.
Intersectionality can very well be a practical approach. I think taking an intersectional approach to veganism is essential to be EFFECTIVE, not just to be 'sensitive' or 'not an asshole'. Example: you need different approaches to promote veganism to young, white, rich college students compared to parents of color living below the poverty line in a food desert. Different societal oppressions create different realities and this applies especially to the case of veganism. There is no one-size-fits-all and that is why it is important to have an intersectional approach. *Understanding how class, racism, gender, ableism etc. relate to health, lifestyle, food choices, consumer behavior, etc. is ESSENTIAL for effective vegan activism.*
This! I remember watching a debate that vegan gains was in and he said that there was no need to examine how capitalism effects animal welfare when it comes to factory farms. I think examining animal agriculture under capitalism can demonstrate that it's not just people merely consuming animal products that's the issue. I see a lot of vegans on RUclips try and claim that anyone can go vegan and it's so easy, their activism ignores the intersections that show that that's not the case, as the examples you pointed out
The Spaghettification
Your comment was the BEST! And something I wish more RUclips vegans would both realize and speak to!
@@SJK1123 Exactly!
Beth Grant-DeRoos you should check out a privileged vegan she’s not active anymore but she has a lot of good content on her channel
@@MizJazzyj14 A Privileged Vegan and Mexie both host the podcast Vegan Vanguard. It's intersectional and all around very informative
A lot of chemical labs require leather shoes, not vegan leather alternative shoes, because leather is one of the best protective agents against corrosive chemicals. I took a job that required leather shoes, which at the time, I had no problem with, but the vegans who worked there had to purchase leather shoes, or choose another place to work, or be in violation of the safety policy.
Just thought I'd throw out an example where it's really really impractical to go with the vegan alternative.
Saw a comment from a vegan fire fighter who has to buy leather boots too. Holds up better against fire than synthetics.
Yeah, I’ve been vegan for a little over 15 years. I also am a healthcare professional . I don’t need to tell you all about animal testing etc in the health care industry but if the only realistic alternative is to not participate, then you have to accept that the industry will not change overnight . It’s damage mitigation. If strict adherence to veganism stops me from helping people then it’s a fundamentally bad thing . If being vegan and also being able to morally reconcile working in a non vegan industry helps people, then it is a fundamentally good thing
@@esztercsaki1 This! Whenever one of the hardline/purity vegans demonises researchers all I can think is that this "unnecessary cruelty" has probably saved/vastly improved their life at some point. I'm grateful to everyone in healthcare and research who are saving lives every day. Thank you!
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@Jonah Whale Only the tops needed to be leather. I chose Doc Martens because I like the slip, and acid/alkaline resistant soles.
I stopped watching high carb Hannah like a year ago. I’m 3 years recovered from an Ed and never really get triggered anymore but god damn it got under my skin how much she nonstop talked about her weight and gaining a few pounds when she’s small! Her diet seemed so restrictive to me and then I saw in her comment section someone praising her and asking her for weight loss advice that I know in real life who’s still sick with anorexia . After that I was done . I was like nope this girl is not healthy for me to watch
Imagine killing a worm then going to prison for life lmaoooo
Imagine a chicken being prosecuted for killing and eating a worm, then the case being canceled and the prosecutor moved to prosecute the fox that ate the chicken while it was out on bail, then move to prosecute the vigilante farmer that kills the fox that killed his employee. And finally extracting the parasitic worms that killed the farmer from his corpse to prosecute them
@@henkhenk4396 This is what I was thinking lol
@@henkhenk4396 The woman ate the cow who ate the pig who ate the dog who ate the cat who ate the rat. This is the animals court *dun dun* 😂
@Jonah Whale To give an animal legal personality means giving rights and duties. I think they're just mocking the idea that a worm could have an inalienable right and a chicken could have legal personality... because these aren't very serious arguments in favor of animal rights.
@Jonah Whale Yes, I can demonstrate I have understanding of legal rights and duties. I'm hoping you can, too, otherwise you may want to see a doctor.
A big LOL at the guy at 22:50. As if vegan shouldn’t be able to criticize other vegans. I work in biomedical sciences, when we want to publish a paper we have to be evaluated and criticized on it to ajust what’s possibly wrong. Should we just all stop peers review because a biomedical scientist shouldn’t criticize the work of another biomedical scientist?
Haha seriously!
On the comparison of leather vs secondhand leather vs. faux/plastic leather, Kristen Leo has a great video that talks in depth about many of the impacts (including environment) of each option! She presents a lot of information about the production of all options, and i found it really educational.
The production factor isn't the issue. It's the fact that vegan shoes are obviously inferior in terms of longevity and the ability to protect the foot. A boot that doesn't provide protection in a construction site or other work condition isn't useful.
Would you rather have a leather boot that prevents your foot from getting broken or a vegan boot that causes all your foot bones to crushed and require emergency surgery or even cause you to lose your foot.
Without a leather steel toed boot.. I would have lost my left foot after a steel bar fell on it.
Some of those thumbnails were really mean spirited jesus
I love how normal you are 😃 some of those people are nuts with their unreasonable all or nothing approach.
I know you try and keep your family private but I would really love to hear a video on age appropriate ways you talk to your toddler or are planning on how to talk to your kids about veganism.
I plan to raise my kids vegan in similar ways you've talked about with your kids (i.e. understanding your limited control over their diet as they age and letting them choose for themselves). But I just can't think through age appropriate ways to tell young kids when they ask why friends' families eat meat and we don't.
I don't think she has any specific education or research interest in developmentally appropriate practices with young children. I'm a preschool teacher and have been studying how to talk to kids for about two years now. It's not easy! I recommend asking an early childhood professional or reading some books about child development and developmentally appropriate practices.
Why is it ok for kids to choose to sponsor slavery, mutilation and murder of non-human animals but kids killing dogs and cats after school is not? It shouldn't even be a choice to not be vegan.
No matter what the child thinks there's place and time for everything and at a specific age(like 10) you can simply tell them the truth, that people all over the world have normalized slavery and murder of non-human animals and that you're against it and he/she should be to because it's the right thing to do. Children are not dumb, and if you have properly prepared yourself for raising one you'll deal with it. Which I hope you have, cause if not, how did you expect them to not grow up to be a burglar, terrorist or rapist? Just by letting them see that other people aren't and that it's against the law? That's not exactly how the world works.
Not trying to come off as aggressive, trust me, so don't be offended or anything, those are legitimate questions without any sarcasm intended.
I admire your patience making these videos 😂
I'm an actual attorney, and I'm highly skeptical of that "Vegan Lawyer." She's outright said that she'd save a dog over a person. I question whether such a person is properly sane & credentialed to advise clients. Also, my family owns an organic blueberry farm & some of the farm workers have a coop area where they live on the farmland and hand-raise a small number of goats, milk cows and chickens. The animals live with their offspring free in a meadow with optional shelter in a barn to escape bad weather. They fertilize the land & runoff provides nutrients across the farm (we rotate their grazing position). They play with the human kids & have what any rational person can see is an ideal existence. They're certainly not slaves or mistreated, but nor are they persons! They wouldn't have lived at all if not for their symbiotic relationship with the human families & farm. Should their eggs be thrown away or eaten by the kids?
What happens to the dairy cows baby boys? They cannot provide milk so what happens to them? How can they get milk from the cows without taking their babies away? If the babies are breastfeeding you can’t get milk. What happens to the mother Cows when they run out of milk? What happens to the Male chicks that the chickens give birth to? Again they cannot provide eggs.
@@Lilyanna298
1. As stated, the cows are used for more than just milk. On a farm with crop rotation, they make awesome lawnmowers, weeders and fertilizers. Plus they're just darn lovely to have around. So Male and mumma cows who do not produce milk can still live happily on a farm for the rest of their natural days.
2. Same applies for Male chickens who also make awesome alarm clocks :)
3. An average milk cow can produce enough milk to sustain a calf and produce adequate milk for a small family without having to seperate the mummy and bub.
Farming is hard. We need to encourage those who do it well and ethically!! :)
@@liz6683 I see they didn't answer you. They read the propaganda but they don't want to hear the truth. Every time that 'boy calves are killed' argument is debunked they run. That's not to say some factory farming practises don't do that and that's the stuff that needs to be stopped. Not eating animals will not help one iota and the sooner these people go after the correct targets the better. But hey they haven't been listening so far.
@@tkps Thanks for your concern, but I dont really mind that they didnt reply. Probably too busy!
I 100% agree that there is way too much misinformation about food production and nutrition etc. Especially in the vegan community (hence why unnatural vegan videos are so awesome!)
BUT. as a vegan myself, I think not eating animal products is extremely helpful IF you are in a position to do so.
My original comment wasnt intended to be divisive. Just trying to fix some misunderstanding and spread some love :)
TKPS Not eating animals doesn’t save animals lives?
What about the damage animal agriculture does to the environment?
“I’m white. Ya know, it happens” literally love her so much
"That Vegan Lawyer" is so irritating and her presentation is obnoxious.
Joe Z She’s up Freelee’s arse and Freelee despises UV so it’s not surprising she’d make an obnoxious video about Swayze.
Well yes -- she's not presenting she is hectoring.
Plus freelee responsed by saying she will respond to unnatural vegan. Lol, that video will be a straw man
Her presentation gives me STRONG Freelee vibes
Valeria Vagapova she wants to be Freelee 2.0
The vegan lawyer was recommended to me from another RUclipsr and I thought she was cool... Until she did that video about you. I'm fine if it was reasonable, but it wasn't. So I had to unsubscribe. I was afraid of what else she could have on her channel. Oh. Well. :-( Love these segments! Can't wait until I see more!
I love the fact that in French the word fan is fana -- implying fanatic. people loses their minds! Abbey Sharpe is a nutritionist, Canadian as am I not necessary info but she began as an omnivore hugging happy cows before they got led into slaughterhouses and has had the nous not to take any of those videos down. She's on a journey. I think she needs a refresher course in nutritional science but she is a testament to trying so hard to get things right. She did a segment on reductionist approaches to eating mindfully following UV's brilliant video on the subject and it was the perfect storm underneath -- insane PETA inspired lunatics which makes our shared concern for animal welfare etc etc look really bad if all someone sees is this frothing at the mouth maniac.
Yea, someone recommended her channel and now I am even thinking what's wrong with that person who shouted her out 🤦🏻♀️
Ever since watching your channel, I've slowly been moving meat products out of my life! I wanted to thank you! :)
I think the "do your own research" thing is a combination of shame/embarrassment that they realise they can't explain because they don't actually understand enough to answer the questions and moral superiority. They can avoid that embarrassment and look like they "know stuff." It's terrible for society as a whole imo though; discussion and education is what we need.
It really annoys me that so many people (vegan and otherwise) treat veganism as not using animal products, like it's a list of you can have/do this but not that. For me it's about reducing animal exploitation and minimising my effect on the environment; that includes reducing my waste and reducing harm overall. It's so much more complex than do this/don't do that. Nuance and context matters, it's never that simple.
24:56 sweet jesus, you're a saint for not giving a strike for that thumbnail
Since you mentioned Peter Singer, could you do a video on him and his philosophical ideas or books? :)
I just let an entire 5 minute ad run for you Swayze. You better make more of these videos lol
Can I just say you’ve been a consistently amazing youtuber since I started watching you in high school like 5 years ago. You’re my fav!
Good video! Hope you read the comment that The Spaghettification made which was SPOT ON! They wrote 'Understanding how class, racism, gender, ableism etc. relate to health, lifestyle, food choices, consumer behavior, etc. is ESSENTIAL for effective vegan activism'.
Am an evolutionist,and long time environmentalist, plant based (since '63) , and believe in 2020 humans are indeed evolving due to being better educated, about the environmental impact, to all of society, of the danger of animal consumption.
What concerns me is so many RUclips vegans (mostly millennial's) don't seem to give any thought to helping the poor, the disfranchised. Nor do they seem to speak of the importance of living in a smaller home, being more minimalist, less consumerist, reducing their carbon foot print by traveling;/driving less, avoiding processed/prepackaged foods whose containers are not recyclable. And thinking beyond their own bubble.
Or helping at local food banks be healthy fruit, vegetables,nuts and grains oriented so healthy whole foods are accessible to those in most need. Those of of us who are vegan and volunteer at area food banks are all over the age of fifty.
Am semi retired but have worked with WHO (World Health Organization), Médecins Sans Frontières, (Doctors Without Borders), the Peace Corps and volunteer with Habitat For Humanity and area food banks. Being vegan/plant based and volunteering with local/state/regional groups that have NOTHING to do with being vegan/plant based is one of the BEST ways to show how positive the vegan/plant based lifestyle can be. Instead of being seen as cliquish, odd, or a fad.
Beth Grant-DeRoos I hope many more people read your comment!
I love your channel, and this comes from a non-vegan. Because of food sensitivities, I’ve had to cut dairy and greatly reduced egg consumption. For health and environmental reasons we are eating less meat. For whatever reason I feel comfortable with your channel and you make veganism feel attainable. Thank you.
I just wanted to say: I'm a physician and I love your content. You're so practical, nuanced and thoughtfull. Also, you know your way around statistics so much more than many RUclipsrs who claim to have all the insight into studies. And the main reason why I have so much respect for you: you admit when you were wrong or you don't know something. Such a great thing to do!
Yes, Swayze! Take on the lawyer!!
I can’t stand her.
I didn't give you a thumbs up only because this is not personal on the part of UV. Not holding self to same high standards, I realized I disliked her; also Freely; but I can't afford that kind of animosity, so loved UV's take.
evelyn baron I would argue that “that vegan lawyer” is rude on a personal level.
@@Roheline9 she is absolutely vile. Luckily, her platform is small
Rogue was the one with the gray streak. She’s the one that accidentally absorbs people’s powers/life when touching them.
That grin when you said "oysters"
question: Is this your real name? Because it is mine! All 3!! :)
@@saskia.... yes, it is! :)
@Jonah Whale nice try, Freelee
Sadly she is married 😞
I absolutely despise all those rich vegan preaching super "healthy" food made with overly expensive products and machine. I love all those "no waste" vegan as well who all have multiple apple product and big modern houses...
I'm so desperate to have enough money put to one side to buy a kitchen aid or something so I can make my own bread. Right now I have to buy bread and recycle the bags. I get that these people try to be aspirational, but I'm not going to feel ashamed because I physically can't knead my own bread dough. I do what I can about plastic.
There are no knead bread recipes, i dont know if there are vegan options already, but you may search and be lucky...
@@erinnenchanted3164 Sorry if I'm being prying: do you have circumstances that prevent you kneading the dough by hand? It's pretty easy and doesn't take much time.
@Jonah Whale It tastes good, it's a basic part of Western cuisine, it's a great source of calories if you need them. But mostly it's that bread is delicious.
@moths from neptune They're not reducing any footprint. Lol. They're increasing it and trying to preach and patronize poor people into making lifestyle changes they cannot afford.
I never noticed your hair being any thinner, but it looks great! And I like these videos, good conversation and clarification on points people may have misunderstood. Also rogue is who you're thinking of.
What would us sane vegans do without you Unnatural vegan? Thanks for debunking and staying rational :)
Freelee has been working on her "criticism" video on you for years it seems... How much do you want to bet its just her taking you out of context and the whole point of her video being "Im skinny and ur not" she now pretty much just uses the argument that shes skinny with a flat stomach as "proof" of her diet lol 😭
Would not be surprised if freelee says UV is a shill for meat and dairy. She's done it before
@moths from neptune True, many people diet in order to lose weight. I won't deny that, however how has UV slandered Freelee?
Pointing out the flaws in Freelee's own arguments around raw till 4, vegan activism and how out of touch she has become isn't slander.
Freelee has slandered vegans such as Jenna Marbles and UV heaps of times and yet you don't think it's slander, especially towards Jenna.
An example of how Freelee is out of touch is when responding to Jenna marbles, she talked about Jenna adopting a farm animal in order to keep making an ethical connection, it’s unrealistic to do so and irresponsible behaviour as many who live urban environments may not have the resources to look after them. Sure adopting chickens or ducks may be an option but definitely not pigs.
Also slandering Jenna herself by saying she is slipping from a vegan diet, where there is no evidence of that occurring.
The gram crackers and ramen noodles incident are not conclusive of Jenna being less vegan at all and most likely an accidental purchase. Jenna has owned up to the fact that she made a mistake, but isn't actively promoting or implying that people should buy these products.
Plus, Jenna's main focus on her channel isn't veganism and should never be forced to do so. If your counter argument is going to be that Jenna supports Freelee, it may not be relevant especially it seems that Jenna no longer support Freelee or condones her behavior.
Another example is Freelee slandering UV by calling her a meat and dairy shill with no evidence to prove that. Don't you think that is slander? There's no proof anywhere that UV secretly eats meat, unlike Rawvana who got caught eating fish when she claimed to be vegan for a long time.
There's no evidence of either UV or Jenna Marbles becoming less vegan and Freelee is not the face of veganism, nor should she believe that she can dictate who is or isn't vegan. Vegan gatekeeping is harmful
Freelee makes assumptions of others and dismisses out of hand any facts to the contrary. Anyone who criticises freelee is obviously a shill (sarcasm) and the vegans who dont kiss my ass are just take vegans.
Freelee stills acts like she is the gate keeper for the vegan movement and is just full of herself. Her intentions may be pure but her actions speak louder and quite clearly freelee can never be mature enough to let go of a grudge.
@moths from neptune also, freelee considers periods a bad thing and it's good to lose your period. Which is B.S pseudoscience, who thinks periods are bad for you?
It's the exact opposite, it's a concern if women just lost their periods with no good explanation or known medical conditions.
Also, being anti vax and anti chemotherapy is helping NO ONE. Just because Freelee thinks they are toxic doesn't mean she is right, she is very, very ignorant of the facts regarding vaccination and chemotherapy treatments.
She isn't a credible source for anything substantial, scientific wise and will cherrypick the sources she believes is fact.
Being an asshole isn't going to win you any favours on the internet, no matter how many people you inspire to become vegan. Having an aggressive " in your face" attitude, will just push people, even if these people are considered emotional "crybabies" by Freelee. They will still reject her message and think she is the crazy vegan lady on the internet.
"Unnatural Vegan Cancelled: Leather Boots are Fine 2 Buy" This is some high quality photoshop right here
She has literally said it's fine to buy new leather boots. That's not vegan.
Alexis Brinson leather is a waste product of meat industry so for some people it is not a big deal, but its personal prefference
@@nicolamira12 If you buy brand-new leather, you *ARE* actively funding the animal agriculture industry. You are providing a demand for that product. You are funding the industry, allowing them to upscale their production.
That said, second-hand leather? At least you aren't directly funding the animal agriculture industry. Can you still be indirectly contributing? Sure! Like if you wear leather in public, you are essentially advertising that product. If you talk about it, you're basically advertising/encouraging it. By wearing it, you're sending mixed signals to people on whether or not leather products are unethical.
@@fluorite1627 So does a vegan lifestyle include vehemently ignoring context then?
@@HerrMisterTheo Just buy second-hand.
Put away the label of "vegan" because that's not helpful.
Do you think it's ethical to directly support an industry that rapes, slaughters, humans for their skins to make shoes, if those are the only shoes that are "safe"?
What if you don't directly support that industry by buying second-hand skin shoes, instead?
In that scenario do you think it'd be ethical to purchase those?
Please do not bring up the "encourage/discourage" arguments, because that's tangential to the hypotheticals posed to you.
Again, I don't care about labels, I just want to know if you think that's ethical or not.
Thank you for your videos which always are entertaining and interesting :)
I wanted to say though that I don't think comparing animal exploitation/industry to slavery is a very good idea.
The reasoning behind the comparison appears very sound to me buuuut slavery still exists and also has a huge impact on today's world (and especially slave-descendants' lives) so many many people feel strongly about it.
They may reject veganism because plenty of vegans make this comparison and it hurts them (actually plenty of people definitely do hate white vegans because of that).
I know it's not the intention but it sounds like comparing slaves to non-human animals whiiiich... Yeah, not so good.
I'm sure we could find better comparisons to make than this one. (the vegan community? not sure who's the "we" lol white vegans I guess)
Also, in case it wasn't clear, I do understand you never said that animals were slaves or anything (unlike some other vegans).
And I love your videos, keep up the good work!! I hope what I said was clear, english is not my first language ^^'
Just so you know, your point comes across well. I mean english is my first language but I suck at english and I could understand your comment no problem.
May i ask what your first language is?
@@mrspokitstheriot477 thank you, you're very kind :) I'm french.
Yes! The same thing with comparisons to holocaust
Nor mine; you write extremely well. It's clear that whales have big brains with a frontal cortex and may be smarter than we. But I think you are taking about current often illegal practices. I thought Ruth Rendell's Simisola managed very well to expose a privileged white male living in Nigeria I believe and removing passport and other connections and along with his son, sexually abused her. When I was growing up and knew a lot of affluent people; the yuppie period e.g.; 2 income family; house in Tuscany or South of France although never bothering to learn the respective languages; tiny bedroom -- of course it's nauseating. And still goes on. Aparteid mentality. It's why Tom Petty, many moons ago, high on coke most likely, wrapped himself in the confederate flag then threw it into the audience. Originally he was talking about a returning vet with PTSD blaming everyone else for his misery; but Tom was a method performer and got carried away. And apologized for it. And some KKK asshole uploaded with comments disabled -- it's the internet.
I’m really glad you made this point. I was really uncomfortable with that comparison and glad I wasn’t the only one. In general, I don’t think it’s appropriate to compare human slavery to animal cruelty at all. It’s down playing how terrible slavery was/still is and slightly condoning how people are/were able to justify it it. (I understand this wasn’t her intention but it definitely came across that way to me).
The other day my girlfriend got me a “instant” noodle cup. I then realized it was by Mcdougall 😂 the taste was fine but the noodles are not instant at all, they were hard even after like 10 minutes in the cup with boiling water. And it promoted the starch solution book on the cup 😐
I actually I love those McDougal soups. The black bean one is my fave
With the exception of Michael Greger, I don't watch vegan celeb doctors however well-meaning or convinced they are. I'm not a nutritional scientist; I do check things our on Google Scholar and PubMed, because I acquired the skill to read peer-reviewed articles through my own education. Doesn't make me smarter; just someone who learned to swim; just a skill, and both of them useful.
I much prefer the Annie Chun instant meals or Top Ramen Bowl in Soy Sauce Flavor. Better protein levels too.
What a great promo! 🤣🤣
I would love a video on the growing CBD trend :) and also maybe some more debunking super foods type of video. I always love those haha.
Ps. I remember in a recent video that you mentioned you've never used an air fryer & I just have to say it is my absolute favorite appliance I've ever owned ever. I'm not oil free or anything, it just makes the best crispy vegan chicken nuggets and tater tots 😭
Sorry millennials,, I love avocadoes but they are certainly in Chile and Mexico a scary monocrop. California doesn't export because they don't have to; South Africa seems to be ok so far. We have to look at ourselves.
I hear you; no such thing as a superfood, but mixing it up will promote nutrient retention and good microbiome. Stuff like Kimchi and Sauerkraut are fermented, so good agents; probably UV finds them horrible -- can't get over how many foods for textural or bitterness quotient drives you nuts Swayse (hope I spelled name right)… think Colette my sis is a supertaster too, although the only thing she objects to is capisum heat. It's all good.
I've been vegan for ~4 years now (before that I was vegetarian for 11 years), & I had a tough decision when buying my first car last year. The car I ended up buying has leather seats, but it was a USED car. Meaning that it had already had a previous owner. It was also the newest car I had found in my price-range (everything else was super old; I was honestly surprised when I found this one), & while I did not WANT to buy a car w/leather seating, there it was: A used car with no previous accidents or major issues. So I decided to buy it. In the future if I ever were to buy a non-used car, I would NOT buy one w/leather seats. But I think buying a used car is okay in a way since it doesn't contribute to the supply & demand for new cars to be made with leather.
I would love to see your opinion of Stephanie Buttermore!
Isn’t the coronavirus vaccine going to be tested on animals and then people.... eventually?
Presumably
Most likely, and it'll most likely be safe. We don't have other options. Please vaccinate when it becomes available.
YUP. Same as HIV medications... Prevented a lot of deaths. I absolutely hate it but I understand the need for medical advancements. I would like for our society to make much larger advancements in this though.
I love how vegan lawyer or anyone for that matter purposefully takes clips out of context to fit their agenda.
I enjoyed the video but I really don't think using slavery as an example is beneficial. They are two very different phenomonas and there are a lot of nuances to both. Eating animals is a process of our evolution. Owning humans is rooted in economics and racial policies. Eating animals was beneficial for the human species to evolve, even though as primates we can eat a generalized diet, hunting small game was a way to clothes us and get sufficient calories. Slavery is a byproduct of racism and colonialism. Racism was the ideology that persisted that facilitated slavery to occur. Capitalism and greed are what facilitate animal cruelty today but most people are not engaging in specific acts just supporting the system that provides them with food.
@Jonah Whale that is an interesting take. But I think in the context of the video Unnatural vegan was pointing to the recent past, as she mentions that most people cannot say that they wouldn't own slaves. Again slavery is very complex. If we look back at ancient forms of slavery the way in which they were conducted is different from that of chattle slavery of the transatlantic. I just don't think these two issues can be used in the same manner. Humans and animals are different, and so I think evoking the slavery example is kind of lazy. Slavery has always been unethical. But has eating meat always been unethical? Factoring farming is of course disgusting but what about subsistence farming? Or the hunting practices of small communities in isolated areas? Like I said in my initial comment these issues are both nuanced.
I watch Unnatural Vegan when I'm feeling embarrassed about calling myself vegan.
How can you feel embarassed for not taking part in the mass killing of animals for no sound reason ? 🤦♂️ get a perspective omg
@@veganworldorder9394 because vegans like the vegan lawyer make us look like whackos and therefore our movement isnt taken seriously so we end up hating being labelled as vegan because of whackos like the vegan lawyer
@@veganworldorder9394 I didn't say that I'm embarrassed about adhering to the tenets of veganism, just the attitudes associated with it. Attitudes I was guilty of myself when I first went vegan tbf
@@dippyhippy7166 As far as I know, vegan lawyer speaks always truthfully. That's the only thing I care about and that's the only thing everyone should care about. No matter if it pleases people or not. Now I don't understand what you mean when you say she makes her look like wackos ? Did she make some explicit mistakes that you can point me at ?
@@chloeking3429 You should know that the bad attitude associated with veganism is not a result on vegans themself (unless you can prove that vegans are in average more annoying than the average people) but a result of the guilt that people feel when they are reminded that they can live without killing animals (by being vegan)
I LIVE for this series
Hair is looking great! Hope you're feeling better soon 💖
Video suggestion: Review the channel ”What I´ve learned” they have videos suggesting that a carnivore diet is good and gluten is bad.
What is a carnivore diet? Only meat? That sounds as insane as only fruits or only potatoes/rices etc
Rin Lila that’s exactly what it is, and even worse, are the RAW “carnivores”.
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I have such a hard time imagining eating raw meat, or raw animal organs.
If I think about too much I start to gag.
@@Ashaliyeva Gives me flashbacks of that dude chewing on a stick of butter lmaooo
i've been vegan for years and i still buy leather boots for work because they're not only better quality and better for the environment, but more durable, and easier to keep in good condition which is important when you work in a fire department where you are constantly on the news. I've been attacked by other vegans for this but part of my reason for going vegan was for the environment and faux leather is not only worse for the environment but not nearly as durable as my job demands.
I also think it would be one thing if animals were killed just for leather but it’s a byproduct of meat consumption. Is it more ethical for that skin to rot as waste vs cured into leather? Maybe that’s an odd way to see it, but I’m an odd woman. It’s not like fur where animals are killed just for the fur. The animal deaths are happening with leather, whether people like it or not. It’s legal. Why not use it?
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So if there would have been a company that would breed people for their breast milk and then, when they would get to their "productivity limit" they would murder them and use for say leather, would you buy it? I mean the company exists and we can't just wait usable human corpses.
Take it further, why aren't we then advocating for people who die to be recycled for the better of the society and the environment? Cause there's a shit load of people dying all over the world and we just keep wasting the precious resources, what's up with that?
@@pep-o-butt672 Well to be fair in some countries there is talk of automatically donating your organs when you die unless you opt out for you own reasons. I think this good as I'm not religious and it means there would be a huge increase of organs for transplants which could save lives. Similar thing, so yeah it happens. And plastic leather is bad fro the environment so taking real leather from an already dead cow within an industry that will take time to die is less of a waste and a smaller environmental impact.
re: clothes. Sigh. I was brought up to think that you found your style etc. by my mum (wore a uniform for 13 yrs which made this academic for a while) found the best most long wearing version of it; your wardrobe lasted a long time. This means sheering sheep and picking cotton. What so many people do not get about fast fashion is that it is, largely in China, the 3rd biggest polluter on the planet and yes requires child labour. So don't throw away those leather boots if you can look after them and will wear them for 10 yrs. I don't seek out extravagant clothes but when my mother died she left me her mink coat. Do I wear it? Yes at concerts (music lover) because it's warm, it reminds me of Eva who would gain so much pleasure from this kind of outing and they're dead already. Recommended reading; Alice Munro whose father bred minks under horrible conditions until the market bottomed out. The seal hunt in Canada was a huge topic; Brigitte Bardot turned up, after castrating her neighbour's donkey for trying to mate with one of her rescue horses and supporting LePen … (Bardot not the donkey) the world is mad.
evelyn baron just imagined a donkey supporting Le Pen and was not all that surprised xD
I would totally watch a video of you talking about the moon landing lol
Your response to the Vegan Lawyer is the exact reason why I watch your videos even thought I may not be vegan. You are rational and reasonable and always make me think without screaming at me about how evil wrong and stupid I am. I highly appreciate your views and opinions!
The antinatalist argument is not a word game. By not bringing someone into the world, you spare them going through the pain they would have experienced, which is good. That this is good should be clear. Preventing suffering is good. By contrast, to believe that not bringing someone into existence somehow harms that person by denying them pleasure doesn't make any sense.
The person would be subjected to harm by being brought into existence to suffer (so the argument goes that it's good that they're not), but not harmed by not being brought into existence and not getting to experience pleasure (so it doesn't matter that they weren't brought into existence).
I think the only potential way around this argument, the only way to justify having children, is to argue that the benefit of doing it is for people already in the world (like the parents, broader family, a community, or society at large), and that we should be reasonably sure that the benefit to us will outweigh the harm that will befall them (which we ultimately can't know for sure). Having children is not something we do to benefit them, if we're honest with ourselves. Those of us that do it do it because we want to have children, we want the joys of seeing them grow and learn and have fun, we want the experience of being a parent, or we think it's the right thing to do for society or what not (speaking best case scenarios here, obviously).
To be clear, as soon as these children become part of our lives, they become part of the community which we try to benefit and do right by. So having your second child might benefit your first one, as well as you and your partner and anyone else whose lives might be made better. I'm not suggesting good parents look at their children with the attitude of what they can get out of them once those children are already in the world. I'm specifically referring to the decision to bring them into the world in the first place, which cannot be said to be done to benefit the children themselves (that is, going from not existing to existing isn't doing someone a favour, and they're not harmed if they're not brought into existence). Once they're here, by contrast, all other parental decisions can be motivated by benefitting the child, what's best for them, etc.
I’d love an entire video about the ethics of eating at a restaurant as a vegan. What should you do when someone brings you an order with dairy in it? Do you let them know it’s wrong? I’d never want to send it back to have it just thrown in the trash. But also, do you let them know they messed up so they don’t do the same thing again? Would it be better to box it up and give it to a non-vegan and then order a different dish?
Also, how do you order food to make sure it’s vegan when you can’t be back in the kitchen? Do you say it’s an allergy rather than veganism? How about the breads they bring out. Do you ask if it’s vegan? I want to try to make veganism seem super chill and easy and not like all vegans are super paranoid and annoying about their food.
@Jonah Whale so when you eat out and get a wrong or messed up order you just leave your friends sitting there? I'm just trying to understand how that is practical for someone who eats out on a social occasion. I believe that'd make veganism look insane to the friends/family/colleagues you're with.
But I also don't understand why throwing food away is better than eating it. You may not be able to find someone to take the non vegan food (I live in a very small town with no homeless people, family members might have different tastes than you etc) Organic waste in landfills produces a huge amount of methane and contributes to climate change.
I feel like you haven’t just been sipping tea.. you’ve been SPILLING it! 😂🙌🏻 I love this series by the way! So happy to see such a logical vegan voice on RUclips! I love fruits and veggies but I also like mock meats and cooked food lol
As a vegan, who has a degree in pharmaceutical biotechnology, I really struggle with the animal testing. I get asked quite frequently how I can study something like I do with the attitude I have towards animal cruelty. What I think most people don’t know or forget is that *every* pharmaceutical product *has* to be tested on animal (by law). Because which human would want to be the one to try it without knowing the lethal dose? Cells just don’t work the same way, body’s do, so these test just aren’t advanced enough.
So rapists, pedophiles, sex traffickers, drug dealers and murderers have more right than innocent non-human animals? What are the reasons the government doesn't want to test on those people? I mean it would be just 10000% more efficient in every aspect, faster trials, literally free objects to test on AND they't punishing the shitty people who instead would go n jail for 7 years for rape and get out in 3 on excellent behaviour. Shit like that just confuses the hell out of me. Literally hundreds of innocent rats, dogs, cats and monkeys are bred to be murdered and you think it's ok just cause it's the law and the law has no other way do things.
@@pep-o-butt672 I don't know where you live, but generally humans by law have more rights than non-humans. With your argumentation you could also say concentration camps were justified, which they obviously weren't.
Real talk, that is totally and completely off topic. I swoon over your t-shirt collection.
I meannnnnnnn🤗
Swayze, you're just...the best vegan RUclipsr. You are such a voice of reason and compassion in an ocean of nonsense. Thank you.
I was so waiting for your video today yasss 😍😍
Sistuh 😂 I’m white. It happens.
Love that so much
They are sparkles not this "grey hair" thing. Enjoy the lovely sparkles in your hair.
Margaret Hichar I call them “silver strands of wisdom”! 💕
I get your issues with intersectionality now; I actually went back to school with some inspiration from APHRO-ISM (an awesome book that you all should read, BTW). Specifically, the Ko sisters make the point that while Dr. Crenshaw's theory is good for *analyzing* systemic oppression and how it manifests in different forms in our world...it really doesn't tell us anything about how to get past them and build a world beyond them (which is fair; it was never meant to do that). I personally don't use the term itself in a lot of my videos or writing anymore (without explaining it) because it does lead to a lot of the confusion you talked about. People want to be "woke" when it comes to race issues, LGBT rights, disability rights, and other causes, which isn't a bad thing, but using academic jargon isn't needed to do that. I think it's important to understand systemic oppression, but also to work toward a world beyond it (aka why I started emphasizing the importance of community care).
Also, Rogue was the character in X-Men with the gray streak. :P I've had a skunk stripe since I was 12 and have often pondered cosplaying as her.
Not directly related to the vid, but somewhat. I have been watching for a long time but never comment. Just wanted to add some praise to counter critics. I have been a vegetarian for years and am considering a transition to veganism in the future. The major difficulty is being young and under my parents roof, they to an extent will dictate what we eat until i am independent. Flashback to a few years ago when i watched channels like freelee and wanted desperately to be fit&healthy and decided that it would be unattainable for me as i found it ridiculous and nauseating to eat bunches of bananas and gallons of date smoothies every day. I was young and naive but im glad i was never able to attempt a diet like that. Then i found your channel and saw that there are pretty easy ways to eat balanced, “normal” foods (and even to do high protein because i tend to strive for that). At this point, I am confident i will be able to make the transition to veganism down the road. In my opinion, everyone has their right to critique, but your channel presents well-researched ethical & health information, that has personally helped me to more seriously pursue veganism. I believe your channel does way more good than harm. Again, just trying to add to the pool of praise rather than criticism (and share my experience with your channel)
Vegan Health Fitness and Vegan Sista actually seem like nice people! Too bad neither of them are very active on RUclips anymore 😕 but in other words, I think you did the right thing by unloading your intersectionality videos. Honestly, society needs to be in the right headspace to rationalize it more, where we come up with solutions to solve the systemic racism and oppression. People have been conditioned to ignore it and get hotheaded when it’s brought up. We need to start understanding our differences and accepting each other for who we are while being inclusive, tolerant, and compassionate. 💕
Hair loss sucks. 😭
Mine’s been thinning out so much over the last handful of years, and it’s probably due to some of the medications I’ve had to take for Rheumatoid Arthritis.
I think it’s hard for everybody, regardless of the cause.
Having had “Disney Princess” hair for most of my life became such a big part of my identity; now with my hair being so different and thinning out, it REALLY hurts how I feel about myself.
I just turned 35 and have very few gray hairs though, maybe 5? 7? lol
But I’ve been working on being okay with that change; so far it doesn’t bother me.
I call gray hairs “silver strands of wisdom”!
I believe in species in that it is why ppl choose to eat meat, but id honestly like to know what these the vegans game plan is for the likely scenario of a fire in an apartment complex for instance, if cats had legal personhood rights ( and im the biggest cat lover ever) that means that the firemen might have to save the 5 cats apt A before saving the baby in apartment E. And even if there were towns that could afford an animal fire department section thats definitely not going to happen in every small town.
great video as always! i’m just interested in why you think Christina Hoff Sommers is a “bad actor”? I thought she brought up some reasonable points about intersectionality and also I don’t think there’s anything particularly egregious about her criticisms about contemporary feminism.
I was wondering where your intersectionality videos went. It makes sense to unlist them if they were being misunderstood. I don't think I ever saw all of them. Maybe someday you can remake them and make them patron only or something.
Hi Swayze! Love your channel, keepin me sane while navigating veganism... one topic suggestion: coffee with fortified plant milk, is there an impaired absorption of calcium and the fortification because of caffeine or whatever components in coffee? As i sort of count on my soy milk as calcium source, would love to know your research findings there... plus: Healthy Crazy Cool has mentioned you very positively on his channel, and while you both have diametrically opposite personalities, your message is very similar, would also love to hear your thoughts on his vids... love your channel!
I'd like to see you as a vegan discuss things like venom/anti venom deriving from snakes, bugs, etc, including the argument that bee keepers are making for using honey instead of agave since they're actually keeping good care of these animals. Could you comment on these areas?
I'm not completely agreeing on the importance thing. It depends on the perspective. Humans are more important from a human perspective. Cows are more important than bees from a conscience/sentience perspective but bees are still more important than all humans, cows and worms together from an ecological perspective.
About backyard hens I recently watch a reels that was a great example of how you can "cut corners" without selling the eggs. It was part of the trend to be self sufficient when it comes to food production. The girl was explaining that she doesn't let her chickens to roam the garden freely anymore because they were laying less eggs; however, her justification was that roaming must be stressful for them and that's why there were less eggs. A curious example of cognitive dissonance. If you think that providing a good life to the chicken will provide you with more eggs... you may start viewing it the other way around and assuming that if it provides you more eggs is good for the chicken. In other words, I think the probability of exploration is there even if there is not economic compensation.
You’re awesome swayze! We love a smart educated woman! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️
honestly still waiting on freelee’s video response to you that she keeps saying she’s going to make but never actually seems to, purely because i know your response to her response would be incredible (also thank u for responding to that vegan lawyer, i’ve only watched one of her videos before but her tone is incredibly off putting and her arguments are borderline nonsensical in a pragmatic real world context :/)
Isn’t That Vegan Lawyer kind of the one who is a human supremacist, since she thinks animals should have personhood which implies being a person is the highest form of life? 🤔 I know personhood doesn’t mean they’re a person but it does imply animals don’t have individuality without laws seeing them as individuals which just isn’t true.
Wtf? Humans would still be individuals even if our laws didnt distinguish that.... do people really believe that?
The wtf isnt to you. It's about the subject of your comment. I didnt know this was a belief (I dont follow other vegans on any social media so I'm unfamiliar with beliefs and arguments.
In bed on some medication so a bit slow today. Read your comment 2x and yes, excellent point.
@Jonah Whale Do you mind explaining?
@Jonah Whale These comments from others are giving me a headache, keep up the good work Jonah
I'm not vegan, so maybe I'm seeing things weirdly here, but I just don't think that animals have the same social rights as humans. They live by completely different rules than the ones that judge modern human society. You can't just pull up the bill of rights to a colony of ants.
If you want to be vegan it's for you, and because you dislike suffering, and because you like the planet. Don't do it because it's the better thing to do. People are no better than animals because we have morals imo, we're not "more evolved" because of our sympathy. How we do things isn't better than how they do things. We don't know what every animal is, much less how they do things.
@Jonah Whale Nature has it's own laws, survival of the fittest and a lot of other things. They wouldn't know our laws if we told it to them. We can apply unique laws in the way humans treat non-human animals, but since only humans living in society sign a social contract we can't have an actual fair and equal judicial system with animals.
I'm mainly arguing against the point that the vegan lawyer made btw. I don't think we can apply "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" to other nations of people outside of america persay, much less to animals.
Rationality = not a vegan. OK Freelee
I absolute feel you with the hair loss anxiety (I’m not pregnant haha). Your hair looks gorgeous tho!
I just love how respectful you are, thank you. Your channel encourages me more than anything to be a vegan someday because it shows the amazing supportive side of the vegan community, rather than the extreme, and rude side. Love your videos! :)
I am currently only vegetarian, however watching your videos have inspired me to try and cut out even more animal products from my diet! I am a college student and it can be really hard with the food options provided in the dorms. I never want to seem like I'm telling people what to do with their channel but I would love a video about ways to make veganism more accessible, especially for people like college students, who would be open but have limited resources. Thanks! ❤️
What do some of these extremist vegans not get about relating to other humans? Do they just hugely struggle with social interaction? 1. The vast majority of people want children and partners (and this is coming from someone that doesn’t really want children and if I do I will adopt). The statistics in the US support that.
2. People don’t want to live off fruit only
3. People struggle with health in our society in general, being extremely restrictive won’t be helpful with stopping meat-eating
4. Being kind and compassionate is always best
5. Being able to recognize how different human experiences are and how much wealth disparity exists will help you actually help people become vegan.
6. Do 100 vegan meals on $50 videos instead of fat-shaming, eat only fruit, “anyone can be vegan,” etc type of videos.
So many more thoughts but ending it there haha
Okay is it just me or is Swayze seems more to be a lawyer than the actual “lawyer”. LOL
Swayze I aspire to be like you, so calm and so educated.
ALSO... how is being a lawyer relevant to these vegan response videos?!
but shes not and shes not educated in that lane so dont even try.
She studied philosophy and the ideas of philosophy such as "fairness" "morality" and "consequences" are a HUGE part of legal analysis and law enforcement.
I’ve really been enjoying these because you’re like the only vegan “discussion” channel that I follow, and these have made me think a lot more about where I stand on certain aspects of veganism
I started out trying to go vegan and stopped at being vegetarian (although I am 80% (ish) vegan just naturally by the way I eat). When I first started getting rid of meat I went slowly. I have autism and I tend to jump into things obsessively. So I cut out pork, then beef and so on. But while I did that it as told I had to be plastic free, and waste free, and raw and low fat. And it drove me crazy. I was a college student and lived on campus in the dorm. It was hard to do all of that. And things are expensive. It sucks. And I also got the “you aren’t one of the crazy Peta people are you?” I strive not to be that way!
Hello. Non-vegan here. Just wanted to pop in and say you’re definitely making a difference ❤️ Thank you for the videos. I’m feeling very inspired to start making changes.
Why not just make them, may I ask ? What's so tough about it to you?
maømaøde I have a very bad and destructive relationship with food. I tend to jump to extremes, so I have to make small changes a little at a time. Restrictions in my diet spiral into eating disorders very quickly. There are very few Vegan influences online that can be inspirational and helpful without fixating on “health” (which is just cover for “losing weight”).
So, Unnatural Vegan is helpful in providing a welcoming, inclusive environment that doesn’t throw fatphobic and bad nutritional high horse comments in her viewers’ faces. Trying to find the right information when “loud” or most popular online vegans have the most accessible content is difficult for people with a history of ED, because we’re not looking for “healthy, low-fat, low-protein, low-carb”. Since a lot of it is triggering, it’s difficult navigating it without spiraling, getting scared I’ll hurt myself, etc. Right now, our lunches (and some breakfasts) are vegan, and we’re working on making filling Vegan dinners at least once a week. We’re working on it. :)
What I meant to say by all that is veganism is a philosophy that you can't just quit. Catering takes time but understanding and admitting doesn't.
maømaøde Ok, I don’t understand what this has to do with either of the comments I made, but if it made you feel better to say this, great! 🙂
@@AnimeCountDown looking at some of this persons comments they have a very toxic approach to veganism and life in general which is not what it's about and a waste of energy on their part. Good on you for not bowing to that negativity. Go at your own pace, every little helps. You wont be helping anyone or the animals if you push yourself into a downwards spiral 🙂 I wish you luck in your journey, not just in veganism but with your MH too, you sound like you're doing very well! I hope it's onwards and upwards for you 😊
The problem of the commodification of animals is exactly how I feel, though I am a vegetarian and not a vegan. I live in a place where many people have cows and hens as 'kind of' pets(I say 'kind of' because they are wild but are given shelter and food by certain people, but are not trapped in small cages or anything). Cows are not miatreated, given hormones and neither their milk or flesh are sold. These folks do milk the cows and use the milk, and the gens eggs are solely eaten by the people that keep them. When the cows die(naturally) their flesh is made into leather. I feel the same about the people that keep bees and eats their honey.
I've got an entire thing of orange Tic-tacs and I'm ready to go!
I "use" my dog as a guard dog. She protects me and alerts me to danger and she gets a loving home with endless food and soft beds. How is that exploiting her.
Can you talk about the treatment of workers on industrialized agriculture farms in the US? It’s an environmental justice issue and it is essentially modern day slavery. I know it may not be a animal rights issue, but these are real people being exploited and more of us need to become aware of the situation. Not many people really talk about this.
I just think you would be interested in this topic, and I would be interested in what you’d have to say about this and our food system as a whole in the United States.
Vegan memes pt.2
I feel like you are keeping it real. I don't get the dramatic radical vegans. You must have flexibility to stay sane in this world. My approach is always been -every little helps-
In terms of leather vs vegan boots...most work boots are STEEL TOED (a piece of steel is curved around the toes and then placed inside the leather to protect your toes from.falling objects such as tools.) Leather is easier to mold than plastic and more durable meaning the steel won't be worn down or exposed. Leather boots are LITERALLY safer due to the steel toe and plastic boots are often banned from factories (at least it was from mine) for this very reason. So yeah....leather boots are the WAY BETTER choice but it doesnt make you not vegan to use them. It can save your foot from injury. Plastic boots makes your job less safe.
"That's just not being an asshole. Can we just not be assholes?"
Please make this merch!
As a child-free (but probably not antinatalist - I'm pretty on the fence about it) viewer, I personally would have loved to see your take on that topic 🤷 I feel like I often struggle to grasp philosophical arguments like that and you're pretty good at explaining stuff. But I understand if you consider AN too far out of scope of a vegan channel :)
I've only seen clips by two antinatalists through response videos: superhumandance and inmendham.
Is there anything about antinatalism that is connected to them making a lot of videos topless, or a larger number of response videos being made to videos where they are topless?
What the hell?
Great video! You mentioned a few before to make one about the article stating vegans are dumb 😁 That would be cool! (Since I watch your content, I say “cool” like you