Please Don't Do This (Plant Based News "No Longer Vegan" Video)
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2023
- My response to "'No Longer Vegan' 2018-2023 - The REAL Reason Plant-Based Dieters Quit" by Plant Based News, aka how not to respond to ex-vegans.
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I cut out a segment at the end reading through comments on the video, but you can probably guess how that went. "They were never really vegan" etc etc. One person said they were clout chasers lol
Just a note that when English speakers say "beef", it's a linguistic heritage. It's from the french "le 'bœuf". Meanwhile, we say "chicken" for dinner or to refer to the animal or "fish" for the dinner or to refer to the animal. In fact, when it comes to fish, people will say "I'm having the halibut" so they're very specific. Pork is another one of those split words. It's pig for the animal and pork to refer to the flesh.
Basically, the aristocrats/Normans/French invaders spoke the language of the ruling class and the peasants spoke their version of "Ye merry olde England". These words are some clues to our past in that region
It may help individuals divorce where the meat in their diet comes from in some cases but honestly, I think most people don't really think about it.
Oh... and please do try legumes again. If you can, make idli and sambhar. It's remarkably easy once you get the premade stuff at the Indian ethnic grocer. This time, I invested in an "idli" mold thingy so I didn't even have to buy the premade stuff. They have mixes for all thus and it's stupid easy. All you need is a pressure cooker (I bought a little one from the Indian store and it's great. I use it to do beans as well because I don't want to wait over night for black bean soup.)
I did comment in first defense of Alex
The one thing I feel like you missed is that as chickens are bred to overproduce, taking their eggs may be unethical in that we know they could be healthier if they have those eggs cooked and fed back to them to compensate for the nutrient depletion from the overproduction of eggs. Also there's medicine (or a procedure? Sorry I forget) they give chickens to entirely delete their period and that's another way to try and compensate for the genetic mutilation. But you're right of course the chooks often don't give a shit about their eggs, for sure. This is all stuff I picked up from some Earthling Ed video so yeah
Matthew Nagra has fought for oil being healthy within a diet. Definitely isn't anti oil.
Miley Cyrus is no longer Vegan ?
"The first night after eating salmon, I had a wet dream, I hadn't ejaculated in months"
This can't be real, I'm cracking up rn.
'twas the salmon that set his barren loins ablaze
You could not waterboard that out of me
The salmon must swim upstream...
TMI! As the kids say
You would never know unless you try it
We truly appreciate your thoughtful and comprehensive feedback on our video. It's great to see that you concur with many of the points we highlighted. While we may have some differing opinions on certain aspects, it's evident that our overall message resonated with you. This discussion is undoubtedly a stimulating "food for thought." Thank you for engaging with our content!
@plantbasednews are you delusional? This video clearly disagrees with your rhetoric, at the very least how you dealt with exvegans. Vegans can be so delusional, that they think someone concurs when they vehemently disagree.
Thats a very diplomatic reply.
Rescue chickens are generally past egg laying age, but the are VERY useful. They eat lots of bugs. They still produce poop to compost. They are good moms. They enjoy sitting on others eggs if you happen to have those. They are good friends to keep around. Also, they are hilarious to watch.
Ugh, Grain Brain and 'Wheat Belly.' I hate those books since those books are the reason 90 percent of everybody in the 2010s suddenly had a self diagnosed gluten sensitivity.
The gluten-free fad has died down since then but it was fucking unbearable around 2013-2019 when it was at its peak.
Nocebo effect.
@Link Link the mind can manifest non existent symptoms ALL the time. Just look at all the delusions of people being ill or infested with bugs on the skin.
I’m like the opposite. I pretend I don’t have gluten sensitivity so I can eat tortillas and bagels . They’re so good. I’m like what stabbing pains in my stomach? I need another bagel lol
I love your no-nonsense yet humorous approach. You're so uplifting even when faced with stupidity 😆
In my language it's always been he/she and when my English teacher tried to force "it" upon me I couldn't. Hadn't started my vegan or even my vegetarian journey at that point in my life, I was just a kid, and I remember feeling forced to call living breathing creatures "it". Never sat right with me, never could do it. I've been vegan for 8 years now.
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I'm French, and we don't have a neutral pronoun for objects
When I started to learn English I was so confused about calling an animal or even a baby "it"
It’s a grammatical quirk specific to English and I wouldn’t worry about it too much. "Babies" are "it" in English and nobody cares.
Yeah, for the same reason on occasion i still call a child "it" :D but he/she for the animals
@@martaa8929 Hahaha I can't, I love babies waaay too much to call them "it" either 😭
I had financial issues at point in my life due to my mental health so dire that I had to stop being vegan and be vegetarian (mostly eggs, eggs are very cheap and). Today I am vegan. Sometimes life interferes.
here is a vegan who stopped being radical, can there be a radical veganism and a non-radical one? I don't know, but I went back to eating things that made me happy. I don't have the possibility to get everything that I could before, monetarily speaking, and there are products that are not sold everywhere and you have to go very far to get them. I have gone back to eating mayonnaise, and bread that has margarine. Those are basics of my life that I can't always replace, and there was a time when I stopped eating them completely. I realized that I was torturing myself with food and that I needed at least one decent ingredient, like mayonnaise, for salads, sandwiches, etc. It really is nothing, my whole diet respects the vegan limits, but it makes me feel very guilty to choose a product just to be happy, but I feel that I am not in the place of choosing and that I do my best. I'm wrong? I don't know. I write this to relieve myself, with someone who possibly understands me and who doesn't accuse me of being false like I do myself.
@@yuasick6686 I think it's totally valid if you need mayo to stay sane! Like swayze said, you've already cut out most animal products and in the grand scheme of things, your mayo consumption isn't going to make a huge difference.
If it keeps you otherwise vegan, I'd say it's a good trade off! Don't feel guilty about it if it's what you think will make the biggest impact
@@yasaiaisa8363 thank you! it really relieves me
@@yuasick6686 I keep chickens (because they’re fun) and I make my own mayo with the occasional egg from the ladies that they don’t eat themselves. I also keep a jar of honey from my own bees-if they overproduce the bounds of the hive they’ll swarm, so I harvest a bit so they’re comfy and stay on their home turf.
An egg at $5/dozen costs 42 cents and provides just under 80 calories so 0.5cents per calorie. The equivalent amount of flax is about 15g to provide the same caloric intake and at $5/lb costs about 16 cents so that's about 0.2cents per calorie.
And quite often I see eggs for more than $5/dozen and flax is usually much cheaper than $5/lb so the disparity would be even more.
Or if you like an egg scramble you could do that with tofu which comes out to pretty close to the same cost. Maybe a few cents difference.
I was vegan in 2016 and had to stop because I was not in a place to maintain the lifestyle (transportation, finances, ED) and this was the one channel I never stopped watching. I recommend your videos to literally anyone who will listen because I truly feel you care about animals, stay informed, and speak so well. I am currently in a place where I can eat primarily vegetarian and am making plans to get back to vegan or mostly vegan because I never stopped caring. Thank you for your videos and this video in particular! I'll continue to tell people about you! It definitely helps that you're funny as heck!
After 13yrs, and a health crisis that has me autoimmune issues with plants, I have to include eggs or something else now. Similar to you as well w finances. But I am 80lbs and crippled from what happened to me, so I have to figure something o it
What nutrients do you get from chicken eggs that you cannot find in any other foods?
I think it's better that someone is as vegan as they can possibly live rather than give up on veganism entirely and go back to a life of daily contributing to animal exploitation. There are also many aspects to avoiding supporting animal exploitation in addition to food.
I always appreciate your no-nonsense, "let's look carefully at the full context of this" approach. I find your channel to be so helpful and refreshing.
My wife and I are drowning in medical debt after the plague in 2020 caused her organ failure. Her doctor prescribed 3 eggs a day to get her albumen up and protein. Plus her cholesterol is very low.
So another nurse I know has a farm. His birds wander all over. He even has partridge. Everyone comes up to get petted.
They lay everywhere! So he’s been collect the eggs that he doesn’t use and gives them to us.
That's so nice of the nurse. Praying she keeps improving. Listening to your doctor is one of the smartest things we can do while recuperating.
We have chickens as pets. They're awesome pets and we do eat their eggs. We don't sell them, we give them to people if we have loads extra (which we do because we don't eat that many!) Our chickens are called Gertie and Tish and I love our babies. I don't think I could ever sell the eggs, they give them to us free. So we pass those on. Also, they eat so.much of our food waste.😊
My bestie always says that people don’t feel empathy for fish the way they do other animals is because they don’t have eyebrows 🤣 like, because they don’t have a brow they can’t make the sad/scared expression we respond to.
Eyebrows lol
I wish more people knew about algae oil supplements. If you're struggling to get enough omega-3s (like Miley was), algae oil has a nutritional profile comparable to fish oil (in fact, the whole reason fish are good sources of omega-3s is because of the algae they eat). There are plenty of other plant-based sources as well, but often they're high in ALA and low in DHA and EPA. Algae oil is a rich source of DHA and EPA, however, and so can make up for the imbalance.
noooo nooo.. algae is not good. its good for you. BUT some algae can kill your liver and kidneys. make sure you do your research on where the algae is from too.
My algae supplements come in the form of yummy jellies
My mom isn't even vegetarian, let alone vegan and she takes plant based Omega-3 supplements. She's allergic to fish and nuts, and doesn't eat much non-vegan sources of Omega-3s. It was literally the best way for her to add Omega-3s to her diet at her doctor's recommendation.
yeah, its weird that she didnt know. Maybe she just wanted to eat animals again because well she has money to pay a nutriologist and to pay for the supplements and she knew what she was deficient in, it is not like she hadnt a clue of why she wasnt feeling smart anymore
The only issue, at least here on my country's Amazon, is that it's much more expensive per amount of ala-epa-dha... It's either a similar amount of omega 3 for an higher price or a misleading equal price but for a much lower concentration per capsule
Yo when rawvana tried to hide the fish I was weak tho that was pretty funny lol
I know it is cringe when vegans say "you were never really vegan" but in the case of Yovana, they may actually be right.
I mean he did call fish "seafood" that is kind of insane for a supposed animal activist to do. Do you not take that as a sign that he has stopped caring? Or at least that he doesn't care as much as he did previously? What else could it possibly be a sign of?
Right?!? I was thinking the same thing watching this video.
seafood is a common term that covers a lot more than just fish.
@@tonygordon7571 XDXDXD
I’m at a point that this is the only vegan channel I follow and watch
Same. One of the very few lucid, coherent, voices of reason.
Same here!
I've only discovered this channel recently, and I think I would lean towards agreeing, although in some way I find this chanenel sometimes overly judgemental - I'm wondering if there's other vegan channels you have stopped watching. I tend to really enjoy 'earhtling ed' videos, or 'mic the vegan' and was wondering if you take issue with them, or what other channels you've stopped following.
@@henri-julien I think there's a big difference between being judgemental and critical. I do think her opinions are driven by rock solid virtues and extremely clear and well reasoned grasp of the facts... And one thing she knows, and I think all of us who find so much value in her content, is that bullshit doesn't serve ours or anyone else's cause ultimately. Unless your cause is to earn money as an influencer, of course.
Me too. It seeks like every other vegan channel either believes in woo fruit BS or they are endorsing the genocide of carnivorous animals.
The only other good vegan channels are Lifting Vegan Logic and Mic the Vegan despite his flaws.
My family had backyard hens when I was growing up, they were rescued because a farm nearby went bust and it was mass slaughter or finding homes. They only had hens, so we never had to worry about fertilised eggs and we never sold (or even thought of selling!) the eggs or the birds. They were all named and they were essentially (really dumb) pets who also each laid one egg every 24-48 hours. We used to take a carton of eggs to people's houses as a dinner party gift instead of wine etc.
Partner and I are veggie and starting to make changes to go vegan, but if I got some rescue backyard hens I'd absolutely eat their eggs.
Can you consider giving them birth control. The egg is so much bigger than the hens' cloaca. You don't need to eat them, they don't need to produce them 25 times more than natural.
16:00 to me it actually sounded like Dr. Nagra was saying it would be difficult to feed a child a strictly whole-foods plant based diet without the addition of oils, rather than encouraging a whole-foods plant based diet for kids. At least that’s how I understood his position.
agreed
Sadly the "ethical" eggs are very sus. My mom has chickens and the yolks in eggs when chickens are forging and eating diverse foods are dark orange. And I've gotten some pale color yolks in those ethical eggs. 🤨
Color depends on what they're eating. It's entirely possible to darken yolks of factory farmed chickens by supplementing their diet with high carotenoid feed, especially if that trait increases perceived quality and desirability. Likewise eggs of reasonably happy pet free range rescue chickens may have lighter seasonal variation based on provided feed and season dependent forage. Older chickens also have more pale yolks.
Tldr: Yolk color is not reliable indicator of chicken quality of life.
My in-laws have numerous hens that are free range in the most literal sense (can go literally anywhere on their 60 acres for forage and get supplemental feed + kitchen scraps), but their eggs still aren't "dark orange", just a healthy yellow. So I don't think yolk color is necessarily an indicator in either direction. Although I agree very pale yolks are not a good sign.
One thing I never got is if being vegan is the best to someone's ability... then how is occasionally eating fish or eggs (when required based on IBS or other issues that do make their life harder) not being vegan for them if they're not intentionally searching to exploit animals? If being Vegan is always identified by the definition, "to the best of one's ability" and they are doing the best they themselves can then in my mind they must still be vegan if they claim to be one... and no one can, or should take that label away from them...
I have "left" veganism (by eating animal-derived food) a few times before. I was studying abroad in the US when I first became a vegan (2016). It took me some time to transition. To be honest I wasn't even eating a conventional western diet before that either. I only ate milk products, chicken and eggs as all other meats and animal foods disgusted me. So I thought it would be easy for me. but it really wasn't. I did a semester in Korea in 2017. After 15 days I had to move to a vegetarian diet. It was so hard to keep trying to read labels, translating using apps and asking people for help just to eat something, anything. I was starving and had low energy all the time. So I started eating things with cheese, milk and eggs (they were very hard to avoid). I memorized a few meat related words to at least avoid those. I once went to a ramen place for dinner with my friends. One of them helped me place the order. She tried to explain to the staff that I can't have meat. When I eventually got my order. It was honestly really good but I could obviously tell that the broth was bone-based. The point is, no matter how hard I tried, the language AND cultural barrier always would make me "mess-up". Because of all the guilt, it was harder for me to call myself vegan again for a long time even after I returned to USA and then later to India. I now call myself vegan. I eat plant-based and avoid animal products as much as possible but I know sometimes, I might unintentionally, or in unavoidable circumstances eat or wear or use something with an animal product in it.
i think people should feel less guilty about this stuff, it’s extremely hard to avoid, our entire culture is literally built upon meat and animal products. Unless you’re cooking home 100% of the time. Most places just slap together some random disappointing salad or something with beans and have a nasty attitude of “well this is what you signed up for.” I much rather eat what was served to me, even if it turns out not to be entirely vegan, than to send it back so they can throw it away and waste 2x the resources just to remake something my body is fine having. im a waitress and absolutely can’t stand when i bring vegetarians some roasted veggies and they make me throw it away because the kitchen uses one grill… like come on…
@@morighani Every group has some obnoxious extremists unfortunately.
My husband went to a doctor for anxiety. His doctor said that he has depression/anxiety because he doesn't eat beef. WTF?
Vegetarians and vegans are more prone to developing depression due to the lack of animal foods. You can google it. There are nutrients that are simply not available in a plant based diet.
@@residentjess Is it all that copium we're missing out on? Must be...
@@IWouldLikeToRemainAnonymous How about you look it up like residentjess suggested instead being ignorant? Low B12, B6, DHA, cholesterol etc. are connected to depression and/or anxiety.
@@tomlauris Tom, please take a deep breath for me will you?
I looked up 'are vegetarians more prone to depression' and opened the three top search results. Two articles from Psychology Today and a meta-study which the articles referenced (as I understood it). I couldn't access the study either so this is why I'll have to go with them. Here are some excerpts from the articles:
From ' The Baffling Link Between Vegetarianism and Depression'
Does Vegetarianism Cause Depression?
What is going on? I can think of a couple of possibilities. First, it could be the case that vegetarian diets actually produce biological changes in brain chemistry, or even the microbiome, that cause some people to be depressed. I am a bit skeptical of this explanation, but the German study mentioned above found that 34 percent of people with depression started on a vegetarian diet before the onset of their mental disorders, compared to 9 percent of people with anxiety disorders.
I think it is more likely that some traits may predispose some people to both depression and to vegetarianism. Women, for example, are twice as likely as men to suffer from depression, and there are also more female vegetarians than male vegetarians. And, while the evidence is mixed, some personality types may also be particularly drawn to vegetarianism. In addition, vegetarian diets can be isolating. A woman who recently became a vegan told me that she suddenly gets fewer dinner invitations from old friends: They don’t know how to cook for her. And one young woman told me, “I won’t go out with anyone who is not a vegetarian. It limits my pool of possible men.” Further, social reasons rank high when former vegetarians and vegans are asked why they returned to meat. (See Why Do Most Vegetarians Go Back To Eating Meat?)
Finally, as several animal activists pointed out to me after this post was initially written, the vegetarian-depression link could be the result of moral commitment. As Lori Marino, executive director of the Kimmela Center for Animal Advocacy wrote on Facebook, vegetarians and vegans are more aware of the cruelties of the world and this is more depressing than living in a state of ignorant bliss. Lori is right. Indeed, the emotional and psychological costs of devoting your life to animal protection was a major theme in one of my first studies of human-animal relationships.
In short, we don’t know why the rates of depression seem substantially higher among vegetarians than in omnivores. But we do know that “correlation does not imply causality” and “more research is needed.”
And from 'Why Are Vegetarians More Likely to Be Depressed?'
[...] the results of a previous longitudinal study on vegetarian diet and depression, anxiety, and somatoform disorders suggest that depressive mood may come first (Michalak et al., 2012). In this study, it was shown that many people started to follow a vegetarian diet only after they got a diagnosis for a mental disorder, not the other way around.
Thus, a vegetarian diet may not lead to depression at all. Instead, it may be more likely that people become vegetarian after developing mental health issues. Michalak and co-authors (2012) suggested three possible reasons for this behavior:
1. Individuals with mental health issues may change their diet to positively influence their mental health via a healthier lifestyle.
2. Individuals with mental health issues like depression may be more sensitive to the suffering of other beings, including animals. This increased empathy for animal suffering may cause them to stop eating meat.
3. Individuals with mental health issues may be more anxious about their health in general; a vegetarian diet is often perceived as being healthier than eating meat.
End of excerpts.
This also falls in line with what Unnatural Vegan has said on this question. To point towards some correlation and use it as an excuse to ignore all of the very clear suffering which the animals are experiencing and ignoring any other reason to go vegan/vegetarian is just silly. That is why I called out residentjess on using this correlation as a coping mechanism for not going vegan/vegetarian.
@@IWouldLikeToRemainAnonymous That's not research, you just looked up "are vegetarians more prone to depression" which is the wrong question to begin with and ended up with some articles. What does this even have to do with veganism? That's as shallow as VG gets with his "flyby Google researches". How about really looking into the connection between B12, B6, DHA, cholesterol as suggested.
My Grandma used to have Chickens, and most of them were rescues. many farmers try to sell old an chicken when it doesn't make "profit" anymore. They typically sell them for the price they'd make out of selling the meat (just a few Euros). Normally, they still produce eggs, just not as many.
When my Grandma added one of those eggs into a cake for example, I still ate it. And when I really craved an egg, I also ate one. She gave them put for free to friends & family. When she had to give them up, (she could barely walk and my grandpa's Parkinson's & Dementia got too bad to keep them) she was so sad. I know that this is a rare example, but she truly loved them.
One thing that really annoys me is this "all or nothing" approach plant based news has. People adding eggs into their diet aren't the same as someone who eats meat 3 Times a day. I think this approach does more harm then good.
My parents eating more vegetarian foods for instance is already a huge step in my opinion!
Lmao at the segment where Alyse claimed to have "perfectly fine" digestion after going carnivore. If I remember correctly, a clip came out of her openly admitting to literally pooping her pants involuntary because of the sudden diet change
Pretty sure she quit veganism for her boyfriend. Yovana and Blaire White did the same thing.
Sadly, it is a common problem with a lot of vegan women who start dating non vegan men.
@@haircafekevin Wait wasn't her boyfriend vegan? Just not raw vegan?
@@emmybuns6964 she broke up with the vegan boyfriend and started dating someone who was not vegan I think. Not sure how long that relationship lasted though, I don't keep up with her anymore
@@haircafekevin Particularly if you are not vegan for the animals.
I really enjoy your videos! It’s hard to find people with factual arguments instead of ‘that’s just my truth’ these days lol
My family kept rescue chickens and we ate the eggs and I thought it was fine until just yesterday when I watched a video by Earthling Ed about backyard chickens - we've overbred chickens to constantly produce and it destroys their bodies, naturally they'd lay about 10-12 a year.
The best things to do are to either feed the eggs back to them so they can regain the nutrients lost, or to get a hormonal injection to stop ovulation altogether
I know he didn't say it but "...similarly eggs seem to be easily distanced from 'eggsploitation'" is all I keep hearing.
as someone who lives a vegan lifestyle but has to eat vegetarian, because of allergies, its really upsetting seeing ex vegans completely ditch all of their ethics.
the problem i have with the vegan diet is the diabetes factor... India is the leading country for diabetes sufferers ... India is also predominantly vegan and Hindu. Ive been on carnivore for 6 months now... i lost 18 kg, have no body odor, flatulence and the mental clarity i have now is beyond compare.
I’m finding that no matter what I eat my IBS is putting me through h*ll. So I’m adding more rice into my diet. I hope I’m not going to be stuck with the BRAT diet. (Banana, rice, applesauce, toast).
I have so many food allergies and I'm getting kind of exhausted from always needing to rely on my own cooking and then having abysmal options if I'm trying to dine out. I can't even choose a place to eat without looking at a menu first because they might not have any options for me, or I might need to have to ask for allergens to be removed or something special made, and I hate doing that while I'm also listing out 5/6 allergies. I keep running the idea of maybe adding fish/shellfish back into my diet to see if that could help. Though the way my body reacts to food, I'm also kind of worried that I'll find out I'm allergic to shrimp now or something. 😅
Your objectivity and compassion for fellow humans is admirable.
Please keep doing these long videos!!! I’m so tired of my favorite creators transitioning to shorter and shorter content :(
I love those little outtakes at the end of her videos.
I mean... Fish and eggs are often easier to digest than large portions of beef or pork. It's like going from eating a tiny amount of plants to eating 2 lbs of raw kale in a sitting. It's obviously harder on the stomach to do a sudden shift like that
"digestive issues from beans....once that's settled" yeah, lots of people never stop having gas from beans and there is no actual evidence that your microbiome stops producing gas if you eat that way regularly.
Great commentary on the PBN video. We used to like the PBN videos. Now, they just seem really click baiting and surface. Thanks for a thoughtful take on the subject!
I know you’re not a nutritionist or dietitian but I’m wondering if you could make a video about diabetes (type 2 in particular). I love your videos and your grounded perspective. Thank you ❤
People hate it when I call "beef" "cow flesh"
You know one thing the doctor doesn't mention is how taller people have higher rates of cancer. Honestly I would not be concerned at all if my children were shorter than me. I would honestly be relieved. If they are responding well to food and eating most of it, and they're not complaining all the time they're hungry/thirsty and the teacher reports they're pleasant to deal with, then what more could you ask for. Oh, I know! Less cancer. Even better.
What a weird take.
@@joking2052 how so?
I’m always creeped out by that plush on the shelf behind you 😂😅
nah, he's just a worm
@@UnnaturalVegan A worm that's staring into our souls! 😅
I love the worm! I made my kids watch Labyrinth and I was sad that they didn't really like it
Did Alex actually say he struggled more with IBS after going vegan?
I fully empathise with the lad, just don't remember him saying a plant based diet worsened his symptoms?
Exactly, I thought that too. What i got from his video I thought it might have been an availability issue with nutritionally dense enough vegan food. Which doesn't really make sense to me, like what did he mean by "nutritionally dense"? I would call for example nuts and seeds to be quiet nutritionally dense and those are pretty easy to find.
@@lagubatka7455 Yeah, it's tricky. I feel for him cause it sounds like there's a lot going on, both physically & mentally... They're intertwined imo.
I messaged him (along with thousands of others) to offer advice & support, as I've endured similar symptoms & emotions.
It'd be easy for me to think he didn't try hard enough, however we're all having a subjective experience & none of us can feel everything he is.
Can't say I'm not disappointed cause he was a fantastic advocate but I hope he finds his way back 💜
Didn’t finish his video, but from what I did watch, that was the impression I left the video with. It sounded like the vegan life made his IBS symptoms more difficult than before he was vegan.
@@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr I got the impression veganism made navigating his life more difficult, not directly worsened his symptoms but it's open to interpretation I guess. I do think it's pretty messed up that he's come under such scrutiny at such a hard time. The response has shown certain vegan RUclipsrs in their true colours... & some ain't pretty
@@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr Maybe scrutiny isn't the right word. It's to be expected as a public figure to an extent...I think cruel attacks is a better phrase 😕
Matthew Nagra is a naturopath, so not a pediatrician. I've seen him arguing against anti-oil talking points, including seed oils, so I don't think he's a strictly WFPB person.
Good stuff!
Love your work, Swayze :)
There was no implication made that Alex "just stopped caring about animals". That's just an assumption on your part followed by a profane attack. I think it's fair to say that using the euphemism "seafood" may be a subconscious attempt to communicate his decision in a comfortable way, but does not mean he just stopped caring. I do think it's possible that Alex was more committed to being on the moral high ground than any real deep empathy for the animals, and this makes it easy back to revert to eating meat. I think Alex cares, just not enough.
I've watched a lot of vegan creators but yesterday I started watching your videos and their so good, thanks for the amazing content.
I noticed Jhon was having issues before leaving veganism. I think he even made a video about his depression and such. Then, he stopped being vegan, and like you said, his videos later on kind of reflect that, or at least that's my interpretation
Maybe you’ve already shown this in a video that I haven’t seen, but can you show what books are on your bookshelf?? I can only make out a few titles. ❤
I'm fascinated by your bookshelf.. vegan pregnancy.. vegan for life would you recommend any of these books? Any good? Would love a book review video from you on the vegan books you've read :)
Matthew Nagra doesn’t promote wfpb diet. And he promotes consumption of pufa rich oils. You misunderstood him.
I went vegan in 2007 for ethical reasons and almost got swept up in the health aspect of it. I tried raw food and then discovered Freelee. The raw food diet phase didn't last, I was hungry all the time and then realized dizzy spells were not normal. I now have more of a balanced diet. I love baking and homemade vegan cookies and cakes are often better than store bought. 😊 The selection of plant based items has only grown and I love seeing it as a food loving vegan!
Awe wait, Cosmic Skeptic stopped ?
Omg I love your little labyrinth worm chilling in the back🐛
I think plant based news is good, they give a pretty fair view and always back up what they say with good research.
That Urine Therapy just hits different 🤌
I was vegan for 2 ½ years and when I ate fish again for the first time I promise you I felt the same lmao. And that’s with being anemic and b12 deficient.
Thanks for recommending Red Pen reviews. I think it'd be fun to read the highest and lowest reviewed books to compare them lol.
Quality Stuff as usual
I’m vegan and have IBS .. I go back and forth with staying vegan when I have a flair up because the pain with IBS can be extremely painful 😢 so I can see how people can go back to make life easier and more comfortable.
I don’t agree with being MORE worried for vegan children than none vegan children though. Both diets can be super unhealthy and stunt growth if done badly .. by saying you would worry more about vegan children reinforces this idea that a vegan diet for children is more unhealthy..
You were never vegan.
@@chucklarsenvegan diets can be hard to stick with. Especially if you have certain health issues. Ibs would make it hard to stick to a vegan diet because certain vegan foods can make symptoms worse.
0:14 my brain works like that all the time, I remember feelings mostly, is this a thing? xD Sometimes I'm like oh no I shoudn't buy this brand... why? I don't remember but I remember this feeling I have for them lol
The idea that Alex O'Connor pretended to be vegan to boost his online profile is frankly ludicrous.
If ex-vegan’s “no longer care about animals” feels to me because I can’t be vegan because of IBD doesn’t care about animals.
I care to the point that I try to eat mostly vegetarian even if that means cutting off safe foods for my intestines.
I understand the environmental impact and that other animals feel pain. Which is why I’m all for trying to have lab meats.
For clarification I struggle to digest the alternatives foods that replace the nutrition. Which is why I enjoy watching this channel, good dup recs.
Unless that’s a fake orchid, I need an orchid video STAT! Mine don’t ever look like that. 😂
if i ate a cup of beans it would destroy my glucose levels. not worth it. i test my glucose every two hours. the idea that they do not increase glucose because they are slow to absorb is a fallacy.
I think with Alex aka Cosmic Skeptic the major red flag was that he clearly didn’t seek out any professional medical advice. Due to his high profile he would easily have had access to the best advice out there unlike common folk like me who would have difficulty accessing a vegan nutritionist or doctor.
If he had done this but not been given any help in resolving his issues or at least bringing them back to manageable levels - bearing in mind that eating animal products again isn’t an actual cure for his condition as he acknowledges - then he would be more believable.
However Alex clearly became a vegan out of empathy for animals (though not from an animal rights perspective, more welfarism) so backsliding on that is definitely a more difficult issue for veganism in general.
So I don't think Alex is necessarily morally justified in going back to meat on the basis of his condition, because of his access to quality health advice etc., like you mentioned. However, to be fair to him, he never claimed that animal products were a 'cure', and in fact outright stated that they weren't. His issue, if I remember correctly, was finding high-calorie nutrient-dense food that he could eat in very small amounts to provide sufficient energy when he was in situations where he could only manage very small amounts of food without triggering his condition.
Its so refreshing to hear your thoughts on eggs.
Three Blue Zone diets I know of are not vegan or close. The Mediterranean area has some of the longest lived people on earth. It's a largely plant based diet, but still they do eat meat, not much of it, and they eat a small proportion a meat. Calling it vegan is a stretch. I believe 7 Day Adventist diet is ovo lacto vegetarian (and not strictly so) Those in Okinawa eat seafood and some red meat, though quite plant based. The term plant based, just means highest proportion of calories are from plant based sources. Doesn't mean vegetarian, much less vegan.
It's so common to refer to animals as 'it' or property. I've made a point to refer to animals as 'they' whenever I can. I slip up with insects and fish though.
I've always referred to my animals as pets, even though it's been more of a partnership, with my cats being more in command than me.
Do people think vegans / animal activists should be promoting vegetarianism and celebrating it as it is a lot easier for people to do? (I know the ethical issues with dairy obv.) But would it be better to get mass vegetarian vs mass meat eating?
I think most people leave veganism because of social pressures. So many vegans I know on-line only have no IRL vegan friends. Myself included. I'm just good about making sure I have food with me or I eat beforehand if going to a place where vegan options are going to be scarce. Someone who only stays vegan for a year at least did a year's worth of good.
I think Plant Based News is good sometimes. The best information should still be researched by yourself with credible science based peer reviewed sources. You made some good points also Swayze 😊
The “it” thing is very context-dependent, lots of people also call human babies “it” and that doesn’t mean they want to eat babies, but it does convey a sense of distance and for cows it creates a sense they they’re already dead.
6:57 glad you're seeing right through him like we all do.
PBN in general is a pretty good news source I think - they don't make things up, avoid sensationalism and their articles are backed up by credible sources.
The lady picking which Rooster had to go was more than likely making a joke based on the Rooster being a grade A A hole… Roosters can be absolutely vicious and mean so a lot will be “put down”.
"Roosters can be absolutely vicious and mean." So can some cats. So can some dogs. But no one would ever think to make a "humorous" video euthanizing their dog because he's too aggressive.
Thanx.
My take on the reaction to Cosmic Skeptic - CS said that he was re-evaulatjng his ethical stance. Kinda sounds like not caring anymore.
I had a really severe case of IBS before (It was miraculously cured though). It was about survival and avoiding torturous pain, so it was necessary to eat seafood. This is a dilemma that we want to protect animals, but we also have to care about our health. Sad.
What do you think changed that made it better?
11:58 sounds like Chris Lilley 😂
My parents have chickens and they are practically family pets. They are so friendly, protected by our dogs and my mom holds some of them daily. Plus of course they are free range/free to roam our land most of the time. Those eggs are ethically sourced and I feel so much better about eating eggs at home. Those chickens are loved and sleek and happy.
I enjoyed this.
He actually wasn't promoting a wfpb for kids, saying it might be hard to get enough calories without added oils, sugar etc.
No food is ethical unless you are hunting your own game and growing your own plants.
If you buy any food that you did not make....you dont know how its made nor can claim it is ethical.
Purr sis
Your remarks in dieting were surprising to me. Do you have reasons to not support IE?
Have seen the video
" Why I am no longer vegan after six years"
by Vanessa Dixon?
1:14 I wouldn't hold this against a person - you never know where inspiration comes from. Even if the book doesn't promote veganism in an accurate way - if that's what got him to be vegan - then it is. Someone can look at a plant and be vegan or an animal or a star in the sky - inspiration comes from everywhere.
Omg I just noticed the lil worm from the Labrynth
I’ve watched your channel for a few years now and enjoy the content. With this though I feel conflicted. If so many people struggle on a vegan diet and this is legitimate, then what hope is there for a world where animals are not exploited? Is it just impossible? I can’t help thinking some / most people who go back to eating animals probably didn’t care that much. It does seem odd to be vegan, stop, and then go buy a leather sofa or whatever it was. Cosmic Skeptic no longer being vegan was very disappointing, given all his previous passion on the subject. Although I have no desire to stop being vegan, it feels like being on a losing side.
lab based meat is probably the only way to go sadly
They use health as a scape goat for the other reason they want to quit. I want to see this made up person that can't be vegan and some explanation of why this person can't practicably be vegan which can be measured.
❤ plant based news, its a great channel!
I mean Alex did say "I've changed my position on the ethics of eating animals"
11:42 you say that it’s not necessarily abusive to take eggs from a chicken who “doesn’t give a shit about it.” But what about the fact that hens are stripped of vital nutrients, such as calcium, because they’ve been selectively bred to produce hundreds more eggs per year than they are typically supposed to? If we really care about hands, we should be feeding eggs back to them, instead of taking them for our own consumption. I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts on that. I believe there really is no ethical way to take an egg from a chicken.
Yes, and let's not forget that they could come from hatcheries where a lot of cruelty to animals happen. People should make a full life cycle assessment, not just think about their actions once they start caring for the animals.
I have digestive issues and many food allergies and I am 2 years vegan.. I would NEVER knock someone for struggling in a situation like mine! I don’t even know how I am managing but I can be stubborn lol!! Thanks for the amazing vid ☺️
8:33 I'm going to admit - after the PBN controversy, the videos have gotten better, and I'm glad he did this video - it's a relevant topic (which is what they're good at), but your video does show how he still has the one sidedness going on. This I guess I overlooked.
4:57 why? You have to admit - it does sound a little devaluing. Do you have a rebuttal? 5:13 ok good rebuttal.
You and high carb Hannah only vegan channels I care for anymore. And Hannah only because I think she’s in it for the long haul and for the most part eats pretty balanced
Nikocado - I am SO sorry for him. He is an amazing actor. And probably very unhappy at the same time.