Seems to me the Rode wins with recorded audio (less distortion and better range), while the DJI wins on user experience and design. Perhaps the real winner will be the Rode Wireless 3 or the DJI Mic v2.
@@DavidKfilmmaker I believe he was merely referring to the tonal quality of the built in mics in that case, which is a relatively trivial matter as that becomes moot with the choice of external mics or post processing.
I've found that the biggest limitation with these kinds of wireless kits is that they pretty much all use the 2.4GHz frequency band. This makes them less expensive to manufacture, but makes them susceptible to interference from other technologies like WiFi and Bluetooth. Sennheiser's AVX system uses the 1.9GHz band (which has far fewer consumer technology devices using it) and the classic analog G3 system uses TV-band frequencies -- but both of them are more expensive. High-end (and highly reliable) production wireless systems from companies like Lectrosonics and Sound Devices cost thousands of dollars per channel. Wireless audio is really one of those things that completely lives up to the adage of "you get what you pay for."
I've got both and prefer the WG in most situations. I use them at sporting events for on cam dialogue. I use lav mics with them so the packs are on their belt behind them. Never had these problems in this video (receiver cutting out, mic packs cancelling each other in close proximity).
No doubt the Sennheiser system would be a better quality unit, but as a wedding videographer, I can't go back to those bulky body packs. Some grooms have very fitted suits, or even no suit jacket at all, the tiny footprint of the Rode (and DJI) is a game changer, I haven't had a problem with it as a lapel mic in over 100 weddings. - the only problem I"ve had with the rode Go is when attaching it to some DJ/MC microphones using elastic or tape. (a common practice amongst us wedding videographers) - as it has caused interference with cheaper wireless mics its attached to.
As a wedding videographer, the distortion you get from the DJI when the subject isn't facing you is a complete no go for me. I'd much rather deal with all the other problems with the Rode II, after all your main goal is recording the audio.
Me too. If people are having problems with their WG2s they might not be updated or possible lemon. Knock on wood but mine have been pretty solid. The internal recording is a must and is reliable with the latest updates.
I have been a long time users of the Wireless Go but am looking for a replacement and was tempted on the DJI but you have confirmed my fears. Issues and bugs. While DJI make some nice products is rare one is with with out issue. The random noise and buzzing is just a dealbreaker. I loved what they had done with the dock but nope the other issues are just too much. It looks like I will be getting another new set of the wireless go.
One thing I notice with all DJI products is their attention to detail on the little design choices of their gear. The battery enhanced charning station with a single point to connect a charging USB is a perfect example. It seems like a small thing but when in use in the field it's such a big help. I don't know who comes up with these ideas at DJI's engineering and design group but they are the best for things like that.
You guys have no idea how much I wanna hug you each and every time you deliver such great info! Please don’t ever doubt yourselves for conveying personal preferences or giving heartfelt recommendations because you always make the difference between facts and opinions transparent, and I’m pretty certain that’s what the vast majority of subscribers here clearly appreciate. There is hardly ever THE perfect product or solution available for any given task, but knowing as much as possible about the hands on strengths and weaknesses through the seasoned eyes and ears of you two incredibly capable geeks is always a feast! Thank you so very much, and please never stop!! I find it extremely enlightening and helpful to hear such comments as “…and this is the xyz adget we’ve been using on the past five videos…” because then everyone can go back and check on their own what works.
Something to note is these both have internal recording in addition to recording wirelessly on the camera, and the DJI has a far better user experience to get the audio off the mics (they just work like USB drives) where as the Rode mics require a piece of software to export. And ultimately you can use your NLE to sync the camera’s wireless recording of the mic and the mics internal recording together. And generally speaking the internal recording of the mics is going to sound better than what’s captured in the camera, since the internal recording bypasses the pre-amps in your camera.
@@muziektelevisie I don't have the DJI mics, I do that all the time with the RODE. I use the interal camera audio as a backup but always use the audio recored on the actual rode mics. It is annoying having to use the RODE Central app to export the audio though.
What you’re calling “distortion” is actually digital dropouts. Distortion in audio usually describes square wave clipping of the audio signal. 2nd, this is exactly why both systems include on-board recording, which you didn’t mention at all! That completely solves the dropout problem. The camera recording will also be lower fidelity both because of the wireless signal conversion/transmission as well as the digital to analog conversion out of the receiver and then the additional analog to digital conversion into the noisy mic input of the camera. One more piece of feedback: wireless signals are greatly affected by topography. There is a chance that your test in that concrete-lined valley next to calm water allowed for a stronger or different wireless connection than one would experience indoors or in an open field. When testing wireless connections, it would be super helpful to have test is both indoor and outdoor settings - with obstructions and without. And then as far as the buzz with the external lav mics, I would love to know which specific mics had a buzz. I really with both these systems had the locking collar of the Sennheiser. I wound bet that the buzz is not a shielding problem, but a poor connection problem with the 3.5mm jack losing some contact when the stem of the connector pushes against your body or clothing. I’d also love to investigate that problem further, which I know is not very exciting RUclips content. 😁
Quick update for you guys! Keep up the great work too, you guys keep me laughing while learning! LOL On Wednesday January 4th, 2023 DJI released new firmware version 02.00.72.87 for the DJI Mic. Here are the new features and notes. 1. Added auto power off feature for receiver. The receiver will power off automatically if disconnected from transmitter for more than 30 minutes. 2. Added LED off option for transmitter. Go to TX Settings > LED Brightness > Off to turn off the transmitter LED and reduce the light affect during recording. 3. Fixed issue: transmitter audio data was occasionally lost when recording for a long time. Notes: When the firmware is updated, the settings of DJI Mic will be restored to default. If the firmware fails to update, restart the transmitter and receiver and try again. Contact DJI Support if the firmware update fails again.
Hi Jordan, is it true that you can't plug in microphones like the mke2 (with the screw) in the DJI unit? You haven't mentioned the internal recording function of the DJI on the reliability section, is it because it's not a "go to" function to use? I was looking for another option but with the internal recorder (maybe I'm asking too much 😁). Thank you!
Which lavalier microphones were you using with which you experienced interference noise? I already saw in another video that some lavalier microphones' cables aren't shielded well, which is resulting in the interference noise so it would be good to know which ones to avoid with the DJI Mic.
@@Ildskalli not necessarily, maybe the DJI just has a stronger signal, which also inevitably means there will be more interference? I know it didn't seem like it from the range test, but in other videos I've seen people were able to go much further than in their test.
The DJI has an onboard recording option that wasn't mentioned and is a clear option when line of sight issues crop up. Much easier to access and use than the Rode system.
I absolutely HATE that I can’t just get my audio off my wireless to ii’s and I need to use rode’s software to do basically anything that should be simply done on the mic. That and I find the audio range abyssmal so I always end up using a backup shotgun mic between two people as it always sounds better
Thank you for the great comparison! 👍 Unfortunately I've been waiting for DJi's mic since December. Every month I get the information from my dealer that the publication has unfortunately been postponed again. Anyone know anything more about availability?
@@MforLife Really? That's really weird. I wonder if it's a country-specific thing (I'm in the US) or because I selected "reserve" a few months back. I can 100% buy them right now using that link. It even has specific text noting that purchases are limited to 3 per person.
@@On2Feet That's really weird. I also reserved the Dji Mic in December 2021 but have not had the opportunity to buy it so far. Other dealers in Germany cannot offer me a Dji Mic either.
A big thank you for pointing out the flaws with both of these systems. I hate it when reviewers will only point out the positives, because it's the same as false advertising. Same goes with reviewers who will only review products they recommend, because they're not providing their audience with enough warnings about systems to avoid. Personally, I don't think I'm comfortable going with any 2.4Ghz system and will stick with UHF systems, and even then, only with systems that use diversity receivers. Maybe not as portable or as cheap, but a whole lot more reliable.
I agree I hate being bum steered to products only to discover later the ytuber was paid to promote the product. Those vloggers or reviews are essentially useless and costly. That one of the biggest problems now. Truth. Getting the truth when sellers game the system in a cunning and surreptitious way is often very difficult to discern. I wish sellers/manufacturers would just innovate and not game the system to win. Once I know I've been bumbed I UNSUBSCRIBE Immediately and never go back. You get one chance and one chance only. I know it's tough out there! It's tough for all of us. The tendency to want to cheat is high. The manufacturers may give you a tough ultimatum ... Just remember if you become a ho I won't respect you in the morning and you lose my subscription. Too much said but now you know.
I was set on the DJI until I saw this video and a couple others. reliability is king because a lot of times, you only get one shot at grabbing audio. Also, I thought I would prefer the display on the edge but the issue is when you're setting up everything, you're behind the camera which means on the dji, you have to have things facing you and then when you're on the other side of the camera, you have to flip things around. I don't see a strong need to have a front-facing display when recording because chances are you tested before recording and in the event that something happens, you have the safety channel as well as transmitter recording.
You should compare the DJI to UHF options, like the Sony UWP-D and Sennheiser G4 112 and/or 512. Is 3-4x the cost worth the improvements? True diversity, transmission power levels, higher voltage to mic port, UHF's better range and less interference, replaceable batteries, more channels for more transmitters in one space, etc. Maybe wait until after NAB in case there's another UHF option.
Very insightful video! I have two questions: Question number 1: What if we buy a lavalier in terms of sound quality? Is the sound quality only dependent on the lavalier or also on the transmitter? Question number 2: The rode wireless go 2 is also sold with only one transmitter and one receiver for a much cheaper price as its normally sold, with 2 transmitters. However i couldn’t find the dji set with only one transmitter for a cheaper price. Do i get any benefit from having two transmitters even if i only want to record myself?
DJI certainly benefited from being able to benchmark Rode and then add improvements like the charging case and user interface. The 3 USB cables are the most annoying thing about my Wireless Go II. Rode now offers a magnetic clip accessory (MagClip Go) that is $19. I guess copying your competition can go both ways.
@@sergey.lositski Oh wow. You are right. I didn't realize that. Looks like the MagClip Go came out 2 years ago! My apologies and thanks for the correction.
@@DAVISION-YT I have the Saramonic Blink 500 Pro B2. I think they came out around the same time as the Holyland. Admittedly Rode and DJI added cool features.
I'm very torn I had a gift card for Best buy and they only had the rode Mic available... I love DJI I have the Ronin S2 and the mavic Air 2. Please tell me the condition of these receivers has improved
Did I miss that you even mentioned the in transmitter recording that the DJI unit has? To me that’s a huge plus given the possibilities of interference between the transmitter and receiver.
The Rode has the same feature. The only difference is that you need to connect to the Rode with their proprietary software. The DJI just works like a usb drive and it uses standard file types, unlike the Rode that uses a proprietary file type that needs to be exported with their software.
A 2nd hand 15-20 year old Sennheiser EW100 set will cost a tad more compared to these DJI and Rode, but they are well shielded, will work in any country and without any hiss these two new sets do have.
Yeah I have the rwg1, I think I’ll continue on with rwg2. That range is exactly what you’ll need if you need to stay dynamic. From simple interviews, to weddings and cinematic stuff.
Thanks for the great videos. I have a question.... Is there any solution to record one lavalier microphone to two separate cameras? To just save time in post. Thank you again
Major shortcoming for the Røde is lack of software for Linux. Gave up on Windoze years ago. So the DJI is simpler. One other question no one addresses: The DJI manual says the receiver outputs over USB to a computer or maybe even the DJI Drone RC with its USB-C host audio input. Not even DJI mentions they tested this on the RC.
Yes please, more audio segments. I've had no end of trouble with wireless and I've given up on the technology. Even way out in a river, away from all interference and with perfect line-of-sight, I can barely get 20' of range with a $300.00 CAD unit. Since I'm both the talent and the crew, some problems only manifest themselves in post. Currently I use a lav permanently attached to the brim of a ball cap, along with an ear piece so that I can monitor the audio while filming. The ball cap approach is great as the audio level remains consistent as I turn my head, the mic is shielded from the wind and I never get rustling from my clothes on the mic. The cables run out the back of the cap, down my back, under my arm, to a pocket containing a Zoom H1. The camera is also recording scratch audio which I use to sync up the H1 audio to the video. This is what it looks like and sounds like: ruclips.net/video/7awqjjffU5k/видео.html I would happily ditch all of this for a reliable wireless system that won't require a mortgage on the house. Still looking . . .
I’ve owned both the rode WG I & II and had issues with the inconsistency of the power button of the receiver. Sometimes it wouldn’t turn on at all. I’ve sent it back and got a replacement. But I’ve ordered the DJI to give that a try. Fingers crossed!
My 14-year-old Sennheiser is still going strong. I wish it had two channels. We might have to get another system soon. So I'm watching the market closely. I'm not sure I would get either of the units tested here!
I ordered the DJI last November from B&H after seeing a video from Potato Jet and a couple others. It was gonna replace my Rode Wireless Go (original). After shipping was delayed from January until this week, the DJI finally arrived a few days ago. Aaaand the receiver completely froze during setup. I had to return it. B&H has no replacements in stock, and no ETA as to when they'll get more. I agree, that shoe mount on the receiver looks fragile AF. I was afraid to even open it all the way to try mounting it. But, the lockup made that issue moot. Too bad, because the sound appears good and there are multiple other functions I like.
Sure wish the DJI's weren't so expensive. I got the Boya's through Amazon for a review but I am having the issue of the audio sounding like it's in a tin can at sporadic moments and just for a second or two. But when your shooting video, it is horrible to have good audio and then all the sudden it sounds awful. That just can't be fixed unfortunately. Any suggestions on a good alternative wireless lav system that won't break the bank?
For live streaming using Switcher Studio, what system is there to monitor what the other person is saying, (with no lag) if they are not next to you? For example, commenting on a sports game and the other person walks away a bit more than being in earshot. So we are not on camera, so we can have any type of headphones on and any type of microphone? I note the DJI have an headphone option
Hello Jordan. Thank you for the video. A question for you. I need to record my Daughter's cello audition for college, what microphone would you use if you were recording Cello? Need lots of dynamic range, the microphone I have now is clipping too much, and when adjusted to not clip, the sound is not dynamic anymore. Ruins the recording. Need to be able to record quiet and loud in the full range of a Cello. Any help would be appreciated!!
I’m in the market for a decent wireless system to do my automotive how to videos, I’m using Sony wireless now, they’re about 10 years old, they actually work really well, I am looking for a quicker more convenient option and don’t want unusable audio while I’m shooting and not monitoring the audio ( just want it to work) I just want to hear an honest review, sounded like the rode was actually better, but you had to say something nice for DJI probably because they sent it, buzzing is a deal breaker, weak spot on the shoe mount, no parts available, if no line of sight cuts out.
Have you experienced the now infamous but rarely talked about Rode "buzzing" when the Rode Go II RX unit is mounted in the hot shoe mount of your GH6? I get that with my GH4, FZ-2500, and pretty much any camera I have including an older Panasonic HMZ camcorder style unit. It appears that any time the RX unit gets within 3 or 4 inches of something that generates any kind of an RF field, it buzzes like mad. Rode says that's because their internal antennas are designed to be "extra sensitive" to help prevent drop-outs. Their recommended solution is to use a long 3.5mm extension cable (preferably theirs for $20) and "relocate the RX unit as far away from the camera as is practical". That makes them completely unusable for my needs. Any issues with that from the DJI system? Distance isn't a concern for me as I mostly shoot talking head interviews and would never need to be a complete football field away from my subject... Great video - thanks for the review!
But what about the onboard recording capability of Rode WG II transmitters? Are DJI transmitters can record too? As Is see, that is a game changer feature.
I thought the real rub with the Rode (compared to the DJI) is how you get the sound files off the units and into a PC for editing? No mention of that..
That sounds like a good comparison. I've been using the Go IIs since they came out and haven't faced any issues, thankfully. I'm curious to know if you also record audio in the internals of the transmitter, and if the audio drops you mentioned affected the internal recording as well. Thanks for another lovely review, guys!
with the dji : Can you use the receiver on the camera filming (recording sound) and charge at the same time with usb-c? Thats what the Rode wireless Go2 can.
It’s great to hear about all the short coming of the DJI Mic. I too am considering hopping over to that system over the Wireless Go ii for the charging convenience and plug an play feature of the lightening and USB options. Sometime, the phone is my best camera on me, so just slap on the connectors that I need that’s packed in the little charging case.
Great video! Thanks! It proves some claims by some buyers from Chinese market: noise arise when lavaliere microphone is attached. Hope it can be solved in the future with software update.
Did I miss something, I thought the DJI has recording built into the transmitters? This would solve any problems with distance or something blocking the signal.
It's getting tough. I feel pretty strongly that the DJI wins in this video for me on the sound, the visual style, the overall "apple-style" compact design that "just works" electrical interference is a big problem for me - I'm using these for my synth performances lol still, think I can't go wrong with the DJI as an upgrade to what I'm using at the moment I like Rode, they make good stuff at a good price. My vocal booth is currently running a relatively inexpensive Rode as the main mic. Anyway, it's tough to choose but I bet they're both worthy options for the money
If you're using a lav mic wouldn't putting the transmitter on the side of your hip help with the dropout of any transmitter ? That way it's never totally out of sight even if it's not directly facing the receiver. Please do a sideways walking test next.
Its tough call, I have not bought yet as my £20 sony lav still works fine so £300 upgrade is a lot. But, like the design of dji and the case. Seen quite a few youtubers with distortion on rode mic 1 and 2... perhaps they are inexperienced with mic levels perhaps. Rode has a great history with mics so I would find it odd for them not to be great. That said, dji have experience with antennas and sending signal so bizarre they were worse on that. All rather bizarre but I agree with others round 3 could be the winners
Something that is important for me thanks I have xlr audio system for sony but sometimes I want smthing compact I need something that is equally strong whatever side you turn really hope for something new
What's a better solution if wanted more of a reporter microphone setup? An XLR adapter with cables running out to a regular XLR microphone? The Rode Newsshooter kit (that seems unobtainable in 2022) with an XLR mic? Or, the Rode Wireless Go with the reporter stick thing? The advantage of the first two is that you could also change the microphone itself if you need to, like if you're wanting room audio with a shotgun microphone, or you're recording a musical performance with an instrument microphone.
Sennheiser's AVX system (the one he's using to actually film the episode) has a hand-held mic option -- Sennheiser AVX-835. I also use the lav version of this system and it's pretty rock solid.
@@AlFooteIII unfortunately, there are two flaws with Sennheiser AVX. The first one is the fact that Sennheiser gear like that is essentially unobtainable - it's getting it second hand from eBay, or looking at the chronically out of stock or discontinued listings on various websites. The second one is the fact that Sennheiser uses VHF radio frequencies. Unfortunately, each Sennheiser units are specific to a spectrum band, and you need to not only pick a band that isn't illegal to use (restricted to military or law enforcement use), but you then need to go to the telecoms regulator and purchase a licence to be allowed to use that VHF frequency. Rode makes use of the 2.4ghz UHF frequency, which is unregulated, but you're sharing that frequency with Bluetooth, WiFi and all sorts of other consumer electronics. I'd imagine that the DJI is also 2.4ghz to avoid regulatory issues. I understand that some retailers won't sell you any VHF radio equipment, including wireless mics, unless you have a frequency licence. It's not because they'd get in trouble, but just to save them the trouble of getting refunds for equipment people realise they don't have the licences to legally use.
@@vaska00762 Umm... B&H is full of in stock versions of the AVX line -- lav, hand held, combo pack... And they use 1.9 GHz, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
@@AlFooteIII I live in the UK. Wex Photo Video is typically out of stock, and ProAV often is too. If I bought from B&H, I'd not only have to deal with international shipping, but also import taxes.
Do the DJI transmitters record internally? Because for me that’s the biggest advantage of the Go’s not having to worry about dropouts and signal problems because I always have a backup recording saved onto the TX. I know people hate syncing audio in post (with a passion), but it’s a small price to pay for knowing I always have audio
I"m impressed that in one year, we had a lot of new devices, each one more expensive than the previous one. At this point is between Rode Wireless Pro and the next DJI Mic 2
One of the biggest annoyances for me as a consumer is the time between when gear is reviewed and when it becomes available for purchase. These time gaps seem to be getting longer. Always excuses out there of course, supply chain, covid etc. This item is still not available for purchase in the UK, around 5 months after after I saw the first reviews out there. I’m told by one large retailer it will now be May before I can get my hands on one. That will be 7 months after first surfacing. Gripe over lol.
Do you have any updates on wireless mics? I can find the Rode 2 for $228 on Amazon, while the DJI is still $329 everywhere. All the benefits you listed in this video may not outweigh the cost, today. Your thoughts?
Great review as always! With the DJI's ability to record internally that may help with the reciever line of sight issues but will it also help against the interference from electronics?
the Shure MVL Lavalier has really good noise ratio and doesn't suffer from the wireless noise the only draw back its $50 -$69 depending who is selling it
Seems to me the Rode wins with recorded audio (less distortion and better range), while the DJI wins on user experience and design. Perhaps the real winner will be the Rode Wireless 3 or the DJI Mic v2.
Didn’t he say he preferred dji audio??!
and has these two mics come to market yet?
@@DavidKfilmmaker I believe he was merely referring to the tonal quality of the built in mics in that case, which is a relatively trivial matter as that becomes moot with the choice of external mics or post processing.
I've found that the biggest limitation with these kinds of wireless kits is that they pretty much all use the 2.4GHz frequency band. This makes them less expensive to manufacture, but makes them susceptible to interference from other technologies like WiFi and Bluetooth. Sennheiser's AVX system uses the 1.9GHz band (which has far fewer consumer technology devices using it) and the classic analog G3 system uses TV-band frequencies -- but both of them are more expensive. High-end (and highly reliable) production wireless systems from companies like Lectrosonics and Sound Devices cost thousands of dollars per channel. Wireless audio is really one of those things that completely lives up to the adage of "you get what you pay for."
The problem is that 2.4 is the only range that can be freely used all over the world.
I've got both and prefer the WG in most situations. I use them at sporting events for on cam dialogue. I use lav mics with them so the packs are on their belt behind them. Never had these problems in this video (receiver cutting out, mic packs cancelling each other in close proximity).
what do you mean by WG?
@@pixpaxpostproduction Wireless GO
No doubt the Sennheiser system would be a better quality unit, but as a wedding videographer, I can't go back to those bulky body packs. Some grooms have very fitted suits, or even no suit jacket at all, the tiny footprint of the Rode (and DJI) is a game changer, I haven't had a problem with it as a lapel mic in over 100 weddings. - the only problem I"ve had with the rode Go is when attaching it to some DJ/MC microphones using elastic or tape. (a common practice amongst us wedding videographers) - as it has caused interference with cheaper wireless mics its attached to.
First!... In line to say that Jordan did a great job in this video!
Very much agree
I wonder where the other guy is, the one with
the hair I think his name is Jared
I've been experiencing a lot of interference: ruclips.net/video/1j6NLBrY3zw/видео.html
Think I found a solution, changed the cable.
As a wedding videographer, the distortion you get from the DJI when the subject isn't facing you is a complete no go for me. I'd much rather deal with all the other problems with the Rode II, after all your main goal is recording the audio.
Also, no word about the internal recording was said here. Would have worked for the problem he gave with the GO II he talked about in the beginning.
I use the WG 2 and had a drop out with the internal recording feature.
@@BastianSchick how? My internal record saved my as s quite some time. If the connection drops the recording still works fine
Me too. If people are having problems with their WG2s they might not be updated or possible lemon. Knock on wood but mine have been pretty solid. The internal recording is a must and is reliable with the latest updates.
@@DAVISION-YT thats what i thought about, the internal recording is an absolute livesafer for weddings!!!
I have been a long time users of the Wireless Go but am looking for a replacement and was tempted on the DJI but you have confirmed my fears. Issues and bugs. While DJI make some nice products is rare one is with with out issue. The random noise and buzzing is just a dealbreaker. I loved what they had done with the dock but nope the other issues are just too much. It looks like I will be getting another new set of the wireless go.
One thing I notice with all DJI products is their attention to detail on the little design choices of their gear. The battery enhanced charning station with a single point to connect a charging USB is a perfect example. It seems like a small thing but when in use in the field it's such a big help. I don't know who comes up with these ideas at DJI's engineering and design group but they are the best for things like that.
Maybe they looked at the Hollyland mic
this is true wirh their drones too... i love their products
You guys have no idea how much I wanna hug you each and every time you deliver such great info! Please don’t ever doubt yourselves for conveying personal preferences or giving heartfelt recommendations because you always make the difference between facts and opinions transparent, and I’m pretty certain that’s what the vast majority of subscribers here clearly appreciate. There is hardly ever THE perfect product or solution available for any given task, but knowing as much as possible about the hands on strengths and weaknesses through the seasoned eyes and ears of you two incredibly capable geeks is always a feast! Thank you so very much, and please never stop!! I find it extremely enlightening and helpful to hear such comments as “…and this is the xyz adget we’ve been using on the past five videos…” because then everyone can go back and check on their own what works.
thank you for saying what I've been wanting to say to these guys since 2012
Something to note is these both have internal recording in addition to recording wirelessly on the camera, and the DJI has a far better user experience to get the audio off the mics (they just work like USB drives) where as the Rode mics require a piece of software to export.
And ultimately you can use your NLE to sync the camera’s wireless recording of the mic and the mics internal recording together.
And generally speaking the internal recording of the mics is going to sound better than what’s captured in the camera, since the internal recording bypasses the pre-amps in your camera.
Do you happen to know if it's possible to both record wirelessly to the camera, and record internally in the mics at the same time?
@@muziektelevisie I don't have the DJI mics, I do that all the time with the RODE. I use the interal camera audio as a backup but always use the audio recored on the actual rode mics. It is annoying having to use the RODE Central app to export the audio though.
@@muziektelevisie yes it is
What you’re calling “distortion” is actually digital dropouts. Distortion in audio usually describes square wave clipping of the audio signal.
2nd, this is exactly why both systems include on-board recording, which you didn’t mention at all! That completely solves the dropout problem. The camera recording will also be lower fidelity both because of the wireless signal conversion/transmission as well as the digital to analog conversion out of the receiver and then the additional analog to digital conversion into the noisy mic input of the camera.
One more piece of feedback: wireless signals are greatly affected by topography. There is a chance that your test in that concrete-lined valley next to calm water allowed for a stronger or different wireless connection than one would experience indoors or in an open field. When testing wireless connections, it would be super helpful to have test is both indoor and outdoor settings - with obstructions and without.
And then as far as the buzz with the external lav mics, I would love to know which specific mics had a buzz. I really with both these systems had the locking collar of the Sennheiser. I wound bet that the buzz is not a shielding problem, but a poor connection problem with the 3.5mm jack losing some contact when the stem of the connector pushes against your body or clothing. I’d also love to investigate that problem further, which I know is not very exciting RUclips content. 😁
Quick update for you guys! Keep up the great work too, you guys keep me laughing while learning! LOL On Wednesday January 4th, 2023 DJI released new firmware version 02.00.72.87 for the DJI Mic. Here are the new features and notes.
1. Added auto power off feature for receiver. The receiver will power off automatically if disconnected from transmitter for more than 30 minutes.
2. Added LED off option for transmitter. Go to TX Settings > LED Brightness > Off to turn off the transmitter LED and reduce the light affect during recording.
3. Fixed issue: transmitter audio data was occasionally lost when recording for a long time.
Notes: When the firmware is updated, the settings of DJI Mic will be restored to default. If the firmware fails to update, restart the transmitter and receiver and try again. Contact DJI Support if the firmware update fails again.
Hi Jordan, is it true that you can't plug in microphones like the mke2 (with the screw) in the DJI unit? You haven't mentioned the internal recording function of the DJI on the reliability section, is it because it's not a "go to" function to use? I was looking for another option but with the internal recorder (maybe I'm asking too much 😁). Thank you!
what about recording on the transmitter and bit depth and dynamic range?
Which lavalier microphones were you using with which you experienced interference noise? I already saw in another video that some lavalier microphones' cables aren't shielded well, which is resulting in the interference noise so it would be good to know which ones to avoid with the DJI Mic.
I wondered this. I also wondered if there's such a thing as those ferrite attachments for cables there tiny enough for this purpose.
@@DavZell interesting, would like to see this tested (even with a regular ferrite core, just to see if it would make a difference or not)
Agreed. Definitely can't blame the DJI Mic for poor shielding on cables.
If the Rode wireless doesn't distort the audio with the same capsules, then that kinda does shift the blame onto the DJI...
@@Ildskalli not necessarily, maybe the DJI just has a stronger signal, which also inevitably means there will be more interference? I know it didn't seem like it from the range test, but in other videos I've seen people were able to go much further than in their test.
The DJI has an onboard recording option that wasn't mentioned and is a clear option when line of sight issues crop up. Much easier to access and use than the Rode system.
and he hasn't cleared if the locally recoded audio has issues :)
This was my question as well. 👍
How did it compare with the AVX you're rocking?
Thank you for the detailed comparison...my choice is clear now
Dji or Rode?
I absolutely HATE that I can’t just get my audio off my wireless to ii’s and I need to use rode’s software to do basically anything that should be simply done on the mic. That and I find the audio range abyssmal so I always end up using a backup shotgun mic between two people as it always sounds better
2:50 How did they arrange for that bird to land on the water right in their shot!? Wow.
why the internal recording option and battery life was not part of the comparison?
Thank you for the great comparison! 👍 Unfortunately I've been waiting for DJi's mic since December. Every month I get the information from my dealer that the publication has unfortunately been postponed again. Anyone know anything more about availability?
it's available today: www.dji.com/mic
@@On2Feet Thank you but on the homepage I can only reserve it. It should be available in May.
@@MforLife Really? That's really weird. I wonder if it's a country-specific thing (I'm in the US) or because I selected "reserve" a few months back. I can 100% buy them right now using that link. It even has specific text noting that purchases are limited to 3 per person.
@@On2Feet That's really weird. I also reserved the Dji Mic in December 2021 but have not had the opportunity to buy it so far. Other dealers in Germany cannot offer me a Dji Mic either.
@@On2Feet It's really up to the country. If I choose America, then I can order the system. Oh man. Hope it changes soon. But thanks for your help. 👍
A big thank you for pointing out the flaws with both of these systems. I hate it when reviewers will only point out the positives, because it's the same as false advertising. Same goes with reviewers who will only review products they recommend, because they're not providing their audience with enough warnings about systems to avoid. Personally, I don't think I'm comfortable going with any 2.4Ghz system and will stick with UHF systems, and even then, only with systems that use diversity receivers. Maybe not as portable or as cheap, but a whole lot more reliable.
I agree I hate being bum steered to products only to discover later the ytuber was paid to promote the product. Those vloggers or reviews are essentially useless and costly.
That one of the biggest problems now.
Truth.
Getting the truth when sellers game the system in a cunning and surreptitious way is often very difficult to discern.
I wish sellers/manufacturers would just innovate and not game the system to win.
Once I know I've been bumbed I UNSUBSCRIBE Immediately and never go back.
You get one chance and one chance only.
I know it's tough out there! It's tough for all of us.
The tendency to want to cheat is high.
The manufacturers may give you a tough ultimatum ...
Just remember if you become a ho I won't respect you in the morning and you lose my subscription.
Too much said but now you know.
I was set on the DJI until I saw this video and a couple others. reliability is king because a lot of times, you only get one shot at grabbing audio. Also, I thought I would prefer the display on the edge but the issue is when you're setting up everything, you're behind the camera which means on the dji, you have to have things facing you and then when you're on the other side of the camera, you have to flip things around. I don't see a strong need to have a front-facing display when recording because chances are you tested before recording and in the event that something happens, you have the safety channel as well as transmitter recording.
You should compare the DJI to UHF options, like the Sony UWP-D and Sennheiser G4 112 and/or 512. Is 3-4x the cost worth the improvements?
True diversity, transmission power levels, higher voltage to mic port, UHF's better range and less interference, replaceable batteries, more channels for more transmitters in one space, etc.
Maybe wait until after NAB in case there's another UHF option.
UHF for the win
Very insightful video! I have two questions:
Question number 1: What if we buy a lavalier in terms of sound quality? Is the sound quality only dependent on the lavalier or also on the transmitter?
Question number 2: The rode wireless go 2 is also sold with only one transmitter and one receiver for a much cheaper price as its normally sold, with 2 transmitters. However i couldn’t find the dji set with only one transmitter for a cheaper price. Do i get any benefit from having two transmitters even if i only want to record myself?
DJI certainly benefited from being able to benchmark Rode and then add improvements like the charging case and user interface. The 3 USB cables are the most annoying thing about my Wireless Go II. Rode now offers a magnetic clip accessory (MagClip Go) that is $19. I guess copying your competition can go both ways.
Dji stole the charging case idea from hollyland.
MagClip Go came before DJI Mic)
@@sergey.lositski Oh wow. You are right. I didn't realize that. Looks like the MagClip Go came out 2 years ago! My apologies and thanks for the correction.
@@DAVISION-YT I have the Saramonic Blink 500 Pro B2. I think they came out around the same time as the Holyland. Admittedly Rode and DJI added cool features.
I'm very torn I had a gift card for Best buy and they only had the rode Mic available... I love DJI I have the Ronin S2 and the mavic Air 2. Please tell me the condition of these receivers has improved
You're only the 2nd reviewer to talk about how you can't use a wired lav with the DJI. Thank you for being honest!
That’s a deal breaker for me.
@@sipapito Me too! If only they would have done a little shielding in the DJI units.
Please compare with Sony UWP-D. Trying to decide whether it’s worth to invest in a more professional UHF system
Well done. Absolutely interested in more sound related content.
Did I miss that you even mentioned the in transmitter recording that the DJI unit has? To me that’s a huge plus given the possibilities of interference between the transmitter and receiver.
The Rode has the same feature. The only difference is that you need to connect to the Rode with their proprietary software. The DJI just works like a usb drive and it uses standard file types, unlike the Rode that uses a proprietary file type that needs to be exported with their software.
Do you recommend it for podcasting
A 2nd hand 15-20 year old Sennheiser EW100 set will cost a tad more compared to these DJI and Rode, but they are well shielded, will work in any country and without any hiss these two new sets do have.
Yeah I have the rwg1, I think I’ll continue on with rwg2. That range is exactly what you’ll need if you need to stay dynamic. From simple interviews, to weddings and cinematic stuff.
DJI mic is something I’ll be getting but want to use it for gym vlogs. Is it okay with loud places that play music etc?
Did you use a preproduction model? I ask bc other RUclipsrs have had different results where the DJI has been better without LOS.
Thanks for the great videos.
I have a question.... Is there any solution to record one lavalier microphone to two separate cameras? To just save time in post.
Thank you again
DJI knows how to make things more fun and easy. Thanks for the comparison! Looking forward to get my hands on the DJI Mic!!!
Use the back up in electronic environment. Or does it also distord ???
Didn’t I see somewhere that this system has a built in storage so that if there is distortion in the signal you can download it from the microphone?
Major shortcoming for the Røde is lack of software for Linux. Gave up on Windoze years ago. So the DJI is simpler. One other question no one addresses: The DJI manual says the receiver outputs over USB to a computer or maybe even the DJI Drone RC with its USB-C host audio input. Not even DJI mentions they tested this on the RC.
great video.. thank you! swayed to DJI - what are all the bits and bobs needed to use the DJI system with an iPhone?
But Senheiser doesn't have problem with line-of-sight issue?
Yes please, more audio segments.
I've had no end of trouble with wireless and I've given up on the technology. Even way out in a river, away from all interference and with perfect line-of-sight, I can barely get 20' of range with a $300.00 CAD unit. Since I'm both the talent and the crew, some problems only manifest themselves in post.
Currently I use a lav permanently attached to the brim of a ball cap, along with an ear piece so that I can monitor the audio while filming. The ball cap approach is great as the audio level remains consistent as I turn my head, the mic is shielded from the wind and I never get rustling from my clothes on the mic.
The cables run out the back of the cap, down my back, under my arm, to a pocket containing a Zoom H1. The camera is also recording scratch audio which I use to sync up the H1 audio to the video.
This is what it looks like and sounds like: ruclips.net/video/7awqjjffU5k/видео.html
I would happily ditch all of this for a reliable wireless system that won't require a mortgage on the house. Still looking . . .
I’ve owned both the rode WG I & II and had issues with the inconsistency of the power button of the receiver. Sometimes it wouldn’t turn on at all. I’ve sent it back and got a replacement. But I’ve ordered the DJI to give that a try. Fingers crossed!
Let us know your opinions. :)
Placed an order for mine months ago. Hopefully they will not continue delaying the shipping.
My 14-year-old Sennheiser is still going strong. I wish it had two channels. We might have to get another system soon. So I'm watching the market closely. I'm not sure I would get either of the units tested here!
Are you gonna review the Tentacle Sync system?
I ordered the DJI last November from B&H after seeing a video from Potato Jet and a couple others. It was gonna replace my Rode Wireless Go (original). After shipping was delayed from January until this week, the DJI finally arrived a few days ago. Aaaand the receiver completely froze during setup. I had to return it. B&H has no replacements in stock, and no ETA as to when they'll get more.
I agree, that shoe mount on the receiver looks fragile AF. I was afraid to even open it all the way to try mounting it. But, the lockup made that issue moot. Too bad, because the sound appears good and there are multiple other functions I like.
Sure wish the DJI's weren't so expensive. I got the Boya's through Amazon for a review but I am having the issue of the audio sounding like it's in a tin can at sporadic moments and just for a second or two. But when your shooting video, it is horrible to have good audio and then all the sudden it sounds awful. That just can't be fixed unfortunately. Any suggestions on a good alternative wireless lav system that won't break the bank?
How long does the Sennheiser battery last?
(That is the problem with the little wireless system.)
Your tech videos are always detailed and clear!
So does it get lots of buzz when using the DJi with a lav?
For live streaming using Switcher Studio, what system is there to monitor what the other person is saying, (with no lag) if they are not next to you? For example, commenting on a sports game and the other person walks away a bit more than being in earshot. So we are not on camera, so we can have any type of headphones on and any type of microphone? I note the DJI have an headphone option
How is the DJI when doing only internal recording??
Where did you get that sick retro jacket! I want to buy one
Hello Jordan. Thank you for the video. A question for you. I need to record my Daughter's cello audition for college, what microphone would you use if you were recording Cello? Need lots of dynamic range, the microphone I have now is clipping too much, and when adjusted to not clip, the sound is not dynamic anymore. Ruins the recording. Need to be able to record quiet and loud in the full range of a Cello. Any help would be appreciated!!
As usual, you guys come up with a question I need answered - thanks!
I’m in the market for a decent wireless system to do my automotive how to videos, I’m using Sony wireless now, they’re about 10 years old, they actually work really well, I am looking for a quicker more convenient option and don’t want unusable audio while I’m shooting and not monitoring the audio ( just want it to work) I just want to hear an honest review, sounded like the rode was actually better, but you had to say something nice for DJI probably because they sent it, buzzing is a deal breaker, weak spot on the shoe mount, no parts available, if no line of sight cuts out.
Hi! Does the buzzing from the lavalier also appears in the internal recording? And how about the electronic distortions? :)
Where does the Synco WAir -G2-A2 compare to these two?
I was hoping to be able to use these without a receiver, I've heard the transmitters are capable of storing their own recordings?
hello friend how much is the latency of the dji mic?
Have you experienced the now infamous but rarely talked about Rode "buzzing" when the Rode Go II RX unit is mounted in the hot shoe mount of your GH6? I get that with my GH4, FZ-2500, and pretty much any camera I have including an older Panasonic HMZ camcorder style unit. It appears that any time the RX unit gets within 3 or 4 inches of something that generates any kind of an RF field, it buzzes like mad. Rode says that's because their internal antennas are designed to be "extra sensitive" to help prevent drop-outs. Their recommended solution is to use a long 3.5mm extension cable (preferably theirs for $20) and "relocate the RX unit as far away from the camera as is practical". That makes them completely unusable for my needs. Any issues with that from the DJI system? Distance isn't a concern for me as I mostly shoot talking head interviews and would never need to be a complete football field away from my subject...
Great video - thanks for the review!
Seems like there was too much noise in the DJI audio? Was the gain too high or is this just how it sounds?
Did a new set come out at NAB ? Thx
But what about the onboard recording capability of Rode WG II transmitters? Are DJI transmitters can record too? As Is see, that is a game changer feature.
I thought the real rub with the Rode (compared to the DJI) is how you get the sound files off the units and into a PC for editing? No mention of that..
I am a Linux user and the only use I have for Windows is to export the safety track on the Rode go II.
That sounds like a good comparison. I've been using the Go IIs since they came out and haven't faced any issues, thankfully. I'm curious to know if you also record audio in the internals of the transmitter, and if the audio drops you mentioned affected the internal recording as well. Thanks for another lovely review, guys!
Yes, I just found out DJI Mic has internal recording so range is not really an issue
Just curious, Why is the picogear never in any of these mic conversations?
with the dji : Can you use the receiver on the camera filming (recording sound) and charge at the same time with usb-c? Thats what the Rode wireless Go2 can.
It’s great to hear about all the short coming of the DJI Mic. I too am considering hopping over to that system over the Wireless Go ii for the charging convenience and plug an play feature of the lightening and USB options. Sometime, the phone is my best camera on me, so just slap on the connectors that I need that’s packed in the little charging case.
They made a mic before, the one of the DJI pocket, and it’s fantastic!
Great video! Thanks! It proves some claims by some buyers from Chinese market: noise arise when lavaliere microphone is attached. Hope it can be solved in the future with software update.
How was the backup recording not mentioned in this video? Thats crazy
Did I miss something, I thought the DJI has recording built into the transmitters? This would solve any problems with distance or something blocking the signal.
Audio is just as important as video, so yes please! More audio topics!
It's getting tough. I feel pretty strongly that the DJI wins in this video for me on the sound, the visual style, the overall "apple-style" compact design that "just works"
electrical interference is a big problem for me - I'm using these for my synth performances lol
still, think I can't go wrong with the DJI as an upgrade to what I'm using at the moment
I like Rode, they make good stuff at a good price. My vocal booth is currently running a relatively inexpensive Rode as the main mic.
Anyway, it's tough to choose but I bet they're both worthy options for the money
It says something that you used the avx system when you had the dji option. Why not just use the avx system instead of the dji all the time?
If you're using a lav mic wouldn't putting the transmitter on the side of your hip help with the dropout of any transmitter ? That way it's never totally out of sight even if it's not directly facing the receiver. Please do a sideways walking test next.
Its tough call, I have not bought yet as my £20 sony lav still works fine so £300 upgrade is a lot. But, like the design of dji and the case. Seen quite a few youtubers with distortion on rode mic 1 and 2... perhaps they are inexperienced with mic levels perhaps. Rode has a great history with mics so I would find it odd for them not to be great. That said, dji have experience with antennas and sending signal so bizarre they were worse on that. All rather bizarre but I agree with others round 3 could be the winners
How about the newer version Deity, the Deity BP TRX?
That goose performing a water landing in the background during filming was some prime timing!
Is the dji mic ever coming out? Been labelled as arriving soon for over 6 months now
What about the cheap Godox?
Something that is important for me thanks I have xlr audio system for sony but sometimes I want smthing compact
I need something that is equally strong whatever side you turn really hope for something new
What's a better solution if wanted more of a reporter microphone setup?
An XLR adapter with cables running out to a regular XLR microphone?
The Rode Newsshooter kit (that seems unobtainable in 2022) with an XLR mic?
Or, the Rode Wireless Go with the reporter stick thing?
The advantage of the first two is that you could also change the microphone itself if you need to, like if you're wanting room audio with a shotgun microphone, or you're recording a musical performance with an instrument microphone.
Sennheiser's AVX system (the one he's using to actually film the episode) has a hand-held mic option -- Sennheiser AVX-835. I also use the lav version of this system and it's pretty rock solid.
@@AlFooteIII unfortunately, there are two flaws with Sennheiser AVX.
The first one is the fact that Sennheiser gear like that is essentially unobtainable - it's getting it second hand from eBay, or looking at the chronically out of stock or discontinued listings on various websites.
The second one is the fact that Sennheiser uses VHF radio frequencies. Unfortunately, each Sennheiser units are specific to a spectrum band, and you need to not only pick a band that isn't illegal to use (restricted to military or law enforcement use), but you then need to go to the telecoms regulator and purchase a licence to be allowed to use that VHF frequency.
Rode makes use of the 2.4ghz UHF frequency, which is unregulated, but you're sharing that frequency with Bluetooth, WiFi and all sorts of other consumer electronics. I'd imagine that the DJI is also 2.4ghz to avoid regulatory issues.
I understand that some retailers won't sell you any VHF radio equipment, including wireless mics, unless you have a frequency licence. It's not because they'd get in trouble, but just to save them the trouble of getting refunds for equipment people realise they don't have the licences to legally use.
@@vaska00762 Umm... B&H is full of in stock versions of the AVX line -- lav, hand held, combo pack... And they use 1.9 GHz, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
@@AlFooteIII I live in the UK. Wex Photo Video is typically out of stock, and ProAV often is too. If I bought from B&H, I'd not only have to deal with international shipping, but also import taxes.
@@vaska00762 That does not remotely equal "essentially unobtainable".
You should do wind test
Do the DJI transmitters record internally? Because for me that’s the biggest advantage of the Go’s not having to worry about dropouts and signal problems because I always have a backup recording saved onto the TX. I know people hate syncing audio in post (with a passion), but it’s a small price to pay for knowing I always have audio
Yes. It's supposed to be easier because you don't need software to offload the recording to a PC.
@@SheaHarrisI believe rose just upload the firmware where you can download internal recording similar to dji
Great review man, thanks. There's an equally good review that has the DJI as the winner during the facing away distance test. Where was this filmed?
Can you not to record internally to avoid directional distortion?
me likey. Thanks Jordan, didn't saw this mic coming, the DJI, and it will be added to my recording set
I"m impressed that in one year, we had a lot of new devices, each one more expensive than the previous one.
At this point is between Rode Wireless Pro and the next DJI Mic 2
Excellent comparison
One of the biggest annoyances for me as a consumer is the time between when gear is reviewed and when it becomes available for purchase. These time gaps seem to be getting longer. Always excuses out there of course, supply chain, covid etc. This item is still not available for purchase in the UK, around 5 months after after I saw the first reviews out there. I’m told by one large retailer it will now be May before I can get my hands on one. That will be 7 months after first surfacing. Gripe over lol.
Would the Rode Lavalier II be compatible with the DJI Mic?
It is, I’ve been using it recently!
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Do you have any updates on wireless mics? I can find the Rode 2 for $228 on Amazon, while the DJI is still $329 everywhere. All the benefits you listed in this video may not outweigh the cost, today. Your thoughts?
Does the DJI have an onboard safety track like the Rode Wireless Go II? Wouldn't that help mitigate the occasional transmitter issues?
Yes, it does
Great review as always! With the DJI's ability to record internally that may help with the reciever line of sight issues but will it also help against the interference from electronics?
Rode also has internal recording too
No
Great video. Yes please, for video *production* it's both audio and video, so more videos about, uh, sound would be great. Thanks!
the Shure MVL Lavalier has really good noise ratio and doesn't suffer from the wireless noise the only draw back its $50 -$69 depending who is selling it