Here in Denmark we have an island (Læsø) where polyandry was the norm in the 19 century. Women would have two husbands, a summer husband and a winter husband. The woman would tend to the farm and the husbands would be fishers. So one husband would always be out fishing and one would always be home helping on the farm. It was a matriarchy, where the woman would inherit the land, because you always know who the mother is. It was not religious, it was practical.
Cody is a giant child. There is no point of being the "center of the wheel" if he has no desire to actually support all his wives and children. What a crappy situation
Interviewer- "You didn't grow up in a polygamous household. What made you choose this lifestyle?" Kody- My insane need for control and unchallenged narcissism
Do you believe his wives lied too, or just him? Also, do you believe that about all monogamous _and_ polyamorous/polygamous men, or just polyamorous/polygamous men? Or maybe just this guy? And if so, why?
I think it was his giant ego. Because if you watch whenever he goes someplace like honeymoon or private trip w one wife or the other he always finds a way to brag that hes got multiple wives
Same! Divorce makes you poor and it’s hard to not have someone there anymore to back you up. But oh man is it worth learning yourself better esp if your partner was in any way abusive or dysfunctional
The thing that sister wives has most reinforced in me, is people will do legit crazy things against their own best interest if someone tells them it will pay off in the after life...
That was basically me in my fundie phase, especially with the whole "going to hell for rubbing one out" thing that I really believed in as I ended up going to therapy just for that (only to be told that it was just my anxiety, at the time I didn't believe them but in the end they were right). In my experience for some going to heaven is the only thing that really matters so they'll act accordingly to the point of neglecting most things of this life (at worst ignoring things like climate change) and it was one of the things supporting my sense of purpose for the longest time, when my faith in Christianity collapsed entirely over two years ago it felt that I lost everything and I suspect that as part of my trauma my deconversion was one the things that caused my suicidal thoughts as I had nothing left to look forward to and nothing left to live for (when that happened though I thought it was because of something else, I didn't realize I may have suffered from religious trauma until recently as I really don't recall ever being depressed while I was still in) so I'm just glad to be still here. I'm still trying to recover from that as sometimes I ask myself what's the point to any of this if this life is all there is, again I put so much of my purpose into that religion for most of my life that I don't know what to replace it with and I feel for others who left fundie communities who have felt similarly. Maybe this is learned helplessness as for most of my life I was told scripted answers to life and what to do but now I’m all on my own to answer the questions (and I'm sometimes reminded of Karl Marx's famous, or infamous, quote about religion being the opium of the masses as for some this life is so shit the only thing they can look forward to is the next one). Thank you for listening to my TED rant.
not that the two are related but this is funny because it's the exact opposite experience with me and my ADHD. I am pretty much incapable of doing things that are hard in the moment but will benefit me in the long run, even though I'm logically fully aware of these benefits. I would be the worst christian
@@monus782 hi, I`m sorry you had to go through this. I get it, because I was raised in a strict catholic household and am now a not-believer with some trauma ^^. I`d recommend you to watch mormon stories podcast channel. They talk a lot about religious trauma, leaving the faith, and live after religion. Although it`s about mormonism I find it translates very well to other strict christian groups too. It was helpful for me, because I felt less alone, and supported in my opinions...reassured that I´m not bad for forming my own moral values... Take care, I hope life gets better for you!
They are all clearly miserable. So their goal at this point …is to make the misery eternal?? It makes no sense. The self hatred required to do this to yourself boggles my mind.
@@kajika6226 I was of the traditionalist kind of Catholic (the guys who still do the Mass in Latin and act like Vatican II never happened) through my college years until my deconversion and I tend to think that was the logical conclusion to my own conservative upbringing (the kind that says to obey the Church in everything it says and as a result I had nothing but contempt for Catholics who I perceived to be more liberal or "cafeteria" about it, especially when it came to abortion and LGBT+ rights) and although I look at my past with some fondness and nostalgia I look at the rest with bitterness as I suppressed my sexuality for nothing (while being a pius dipshit for around 8 years) and I wonder if any of this would've happened had I been raised in a more secular household, the worst part is that I can't come out especially to my father as he still has some far right links within the Church. As I was telling a friend recently talking about the Latin Mass feels like talking about an ex and for a while I really thought that perhaps God wanted me to be a priest or a monk (like it was for many of my former parish friends, I think that fueled my depression when that was no longer possible), for that I didn't date during those college years and I sometimes feel like regretting that (especially as I just turned 27) while feeling this is one of the things I'm behind socially (the other being not having many interests besides theology and liturgy). How ironic that during those years I had more in common with the other fundies I despised (especially Baptists and other Evangelicals, I remember that one time a missionary of theirs basically told me I was going to hell for being part of the wrong church and I never took him seriously) than the average American Catholic. That podcast has been helpful but I've been listening to Mormon Discussions more often (you might see some of my comments I've left in their videos) and I'm amazed how similar my background has been to some former Mormons I've heard from. You take care as well.
You know, she feels Christine didn't try hard enough... twenty-something years in THAT marriage trying to make everyone else happy, "not hard enough"...
Robyn doesn't understand that Christine leaving wasn't due to a lack of love on her part at all, it was a lack of love on Kody's part. And now Christine gets to find someone who really loves her.
It’s ironic asf too bc robin is divorced herself. Like how hard did you try robin? Hmmm. Sounds like you chose to quit trying when you could’ve kept trying. She found someone she really loves and got a pretty great life out of it. Why can’t Christine do the same??? 🙄🙄
Robin is divorced, so she needs to zip it, no woman wants to be with a man who is turned off by you, it doesn't matter how much love & effort you put into a relationship it HAS to be returned or why be with someone who will rob you of emotional & physical relationship much less marriage..
@@theresacoy9881 Robyn likes to re-write history. She said way back in the beginning of the show that she loves having alone time when Kody is with another wife and she can't imagine having a husband around all the time. Bish, you were in a monogamous marriage for 10 years, what do you mean you can't imagine it?! She's nutty.
I’m glad they all left his ass. Robin was always the obvious favorite. Curious to see if they continue to live the plural marriage lifestyle. If he gets a younger, prettier wife robin won’t be the favorite anymore…
I will say that I think Kody is emotionally abusive. He manipulates, gaslights, insults, withholds affection and so much more. He’s a serial emotional abuser.
I think it's a fine line to ride. I honestly don't think he is trying to be abusive, I think he just wants to be In Charge and his little boy caveman heart can't mature into accepting that he doesn't deserve to be...
@@chelsea6329 emotionally abusive people aren't usually -trying- to be abusive and may not even recognize their behavior as abusive (my ex was very proud of himself for not being physically abusive but emotionally abused me constantly and refused to believe it was abuse) they learned things to do or say to get people to react or behave the way they want and they do those things.
I feel like if he were married to only one wife and not on TV, his wife would be so isolated and trapped. Truly a nightmare being married to someone like that and keeping all his abuse secret.
I grew up LDS, and I ASSURE you that we ALL knew polygamist families and we were all taught to be quiet about it. I would argue it's the real #1 tenet. I'd like to warn anyone thinking this bullshit is a good idea the main reason that it's not: When your great husband dies all his shit goes to the wife he's legally married to. Your ass is now dependent upon how much SHE likes you. I think it's pretty clear from this show how much that really is. I've seen it go down,. and it's a real shit show.
Or, it goes to the church, like the Davis County Cooperative/Kingston Clan does to it's members, and the kids/wives are forced to buy it back, all the way down to the nails in the wall. Watched that go down in Holliday, and again in Millcreek.
Interesting, I’ve been watching Big Love and they portray the mainstream LDS as hating polygamy as a sin and being eager to turn in plural wives to the cops. But I’ve known a lot of LDS folks irl and I’ve never heard them express any sort of contempt towards plural marriage. So I’m guessing Big Love hyped up the mainstream LDS anti-polygamy stance for the drama.
@@Forestfreud it's a weird thing, TBH. I've heard venom, sympathy and apathy from my husband's (exMormon, from a founding family) family. One turned in a family they suspected for practicing polygamy (they weren't, but snitching culture is like that) into the Ward Bishop, and almost had them excommunicated - the family moved. Sympathy for the kids of a very obvious family (IF the state were to prosecute, then what happens to the 43 kids?), and venom for the parents. It's a gammet, TBH, not helped in the slightest bit by the fact that the LDS Church has gone out of their way to bury and rewrite their own history repeatedly.
I think it's both. I grew up super Mormon in Utah County, and everyone talked trash about polygamists. I'm sure I went to school with children of polygamists, but nobody talked about it. I did not realize how prevalent polygamy in Utah is until after I left the church. Growing up we honestly thought it was super weird when the Sister Wives (Brown) family was in the next town over. People would gossip about seeing them at the local Walmart.
My partner has basically zero context as far as Sister Wives goes. His impression of Kody Brown is *Checks notes* "He looks like the lead singer of a Creed tribute band and he's the only member because nobody else can stand him" It checks out
Mine's reaction was "that one white dude who still talks about high school and how he could have gone pro if not for his ACL but in reality, he was never that good. So instead he married right out of high school and regretted it almost instantly." His sister's reaction was "That one Dollar tree cashier who takes his job way too serusly even though he isn't getting medical benefits."
"Robyn desires an arrangement where she is not only a sister wife, but the ONLY wife". Truer words have never been spoken 😂 Thank you so much for this video Jen and congratulations to you & James on your engagement!! ❤️
Honestly I don’t even think that’s enough for her. I think she wants sister wives that have failing relationships with Kody so she can feel like the favorite every day and so that she can see the jealousy and/or envy on the other women’s faces. She def gets a rise out of that.
She wants a husband, a babysitter, a teacher, a housekeeper and someone to bring home the bacon. She doesn't want to do anything herself. She offered nothing to this family, but demanded everything and got it.
"You're not a surfer dude, Kody, you're from Wyoming." LMAO edited to add: Robyn seems to want the situation to be where she is Sarah to Kody's Abraham, and everyone else is Hagar, the servant woman.
Christine was the spark in that family. Everyone seems so miserable, I want to see Christine happy again, kudos to her for following her own path, I hope Meri leaves to work at her BnB and Janel leaves and gets that RV life shes wanted. Robyn gets a balding angry man, like shes always wanted. Kody gets only Robyn, like hes always wanted.
I honestly think that Kody would turn on Robyn if the others left. He may view her as his favorite wife, but Kody likes the idea of controlling the other women. And I think that he likes being able to choose to give Robyn special attention; it probably feels a bit subversive and naughty to him. But take away all the other women, and I don't know if he would be happy with just Robyn. Maybe he would, but I think his ego would be bruised at his loss of power.
@@Rebelluver97 I truly laughed out loud when I read this! Good one Jacqueline!👋👋You made my mascara run, doggone it. And my make-up looked really good today.
Well, it’s in keeping with Joseph Smith. He used spiritual abuse to make his first wife shut up about him marrying several teenagers, but when she said “okay if you get multiple wives then I get multiple husbands” he was like “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WOULD SAY THAT, GOD SAYS IT ONLY WORKS ONE WAY”
I would also like to add the it was Kody’s fault that Truely almost died of kidney failure. She was sick and he neglected to give her any fluids and she became so dehydrated it almost killed her. His excuse, if I remember correctly, was that the older kids were supposed to be watching her
Some time ago I watched a random clip in which Kody was barking at Truely for being scared of getting on the bycicle: it was like a representation of every single thing you should not do as a parent to encourage your kids to learn new things.
The issue I take with polygamy is that all of the men that I've seen participate in it treat their wives like a collection of items, the same way they view a collection of cars or guns or shot glasses they've picked up in their travels; a symbol of status, importance. "I'm so great, all these women wanted/we're commanded by God to marry me!" Is the vibe.
As someone raised in IBLP/Indie Fundie Baptist I agree! My heart breaks when I think of all the women who never had any access to therapy, deprogramming or knowing what it's like to be self-supporting. I wish them all recovery & a peaceful content life.
It's so nice to see that at least one person was able to throw their hands up and say "Nope. This isn't good for me, and I won't let it control my life anymore." I feel for all the wives, really, but I'm especially proud of Christine.
I'm still a little surprised that Christine was the first to go. It makes sense, but I always thought that Meri would leave first. I'm proud of Christine for not taking his shit anymore and putting herself first. I hope she finds healing and happiness.
Saying me or I a lot doesn't mean you're obsessed with yourself. Cody definitely is a narcissistic but saying me or I a lot doesn't always equal being self obsessed
@@basementdwellercosplay it does show a much higher register on the narccsistic behaviour scale. Everyone is a little narccsistic by nature (because after all, if you aren't looking out for yourself, you're not going to last long on this mortal plane), but if you find yourself using 'me' or 'I' in a conversation that should involve 'we', 'us', 'you', and 'they' more often, it's time to figure out why that is.
This. That's the one thing I didn't agree with, there was definitely abuse. And allegedly there's trauma from one of Christine's daughters to one of her brothers, and they don't speak and she said she would not talk to him for a long time. Gwyn I believe. So it may not be terrible physical abuse, but there's definitely emotional and mental and gaslighting. Can't speak on Gwen's trauma but it can't be good.
Agreed. Just because there is no evidence of physical abuse does not mean the other forms are just as dangerous. Emotional, physical, sexual, psychological, educational & religious abuse are all abuse and require a lifetime of boundaries. Raised IBLP my dad frequently tried to beat the "sissy" out of my gay brother. We lost him. He died of unresolved childhood trauma & he had no insurance to cover therapy. I miss him daily. The extreme groups can be more than dangerous, they can be deadly!
I think there was a lot of emotional and mental abuse on Kody’s part..from making disparaging remarks about Christine to withholding affection from his partners because they weren’t “obedient” emotional/mental abuse is just as bad as bad as physical
“If you want to watch a show that shows the slow and painful death of four different relationships simultaneously, Sister Wives is the show for you” This. 😅 so true
Jen, THANK YOU for specifying that this is not typical of all plural relationships. It is a nuance that most of the world skips and it made me smile to hear it.
I actually have a friend from work who has two husbands. Breathed such a huge sigh when she said that, because they are a happy family. Maybe because they aren't religious.
@Rhythmn Of Love dude. i want to be nice but i cannot think of a polite way to tell you how stupid this is. no one is going to mistake the use of "plural" between DID and polyamorous communities, unless someone is trying to indicate that they are like, married to an alter. this is like saying you shouldn't call thinly sliced fried potatoes "chips" because it might upset the fractured teacup community. your community gets ownership of your usage of the word. not the whole word. two communities using the same word does not associate them by default. not to mention "plural" would have been in usage by polygamists long before DID became a recognized diagnosis.
I think it’s sometimes hard for people to understand the difference between these type of polygamists and polyamory. The problem isn’t the poly part, it’s the lack of power the women have and the unhealthy relationships they foster
Yes, thank you for mentioning this! As a long time secular polyam person (well, ethical non-monogamous relationship anarchist, to be precise 😁), this frustrates me soooo much. Egalitarian polyamory (which may or may not involve marriage or even cohabitation) and is based (ideally) on the preference of each person to have multiple intimate/loving relationships, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, with full consent, agency and autonomy of all is a far cry from religious polygyny. That involves only one person in the group being non-monogamous, is strictly gender divided (the wives are all monogamous to the single husband, and only men can engage in multiple romantic/sexual relationships), and is of course dictated by religion, creating conditions where people who might otherwise not wish to be in that kind of relationship feel compelled to by the dictates of their faith. Not remotely the same thing.
@@jeanakatherine9369 Poly relationships are much harder to navigate than mono ones. the more people, the more difficult. It's like a tower of blocks. The more you add, the more you have to work to keep it from falling over, however you feel really satisfied and fufilled when you ACTUALLY get a nice tower. It's not for everyone, some people think two blocks are enough, because it's not worth the trouble. Some want a tower of a certain height. The most important thing is that all of the blocks are solid. Because if they aren't solid as individuals, they won't make a good tower. Source: I'm a mostly-monogamous woman engaged to a man who leans Poly. I have been in a poly relationship, and I currently have an open relationship (open on BOTH sides) and we're still the best of friends and very much in love after 8 years
@@jeanakatherine9369 plenty of straights and "straights" say the exact same thing about gays. Plenty of racists say the same thing about interracial marriage and mixed people. And plenty of cis people say the same thing about trans people. Just because you aren't sexually educated or mature enough to envision healthy relationships outside of your personal preferences doesn't there's anything wrong with those relationships. It just means you lack both empathy and knowledge on the subject. There is nothing wrong with healthy non-monogamous relationships just as there is nothing wrong with healthy monogamous ones, what makes them unhealthy is the problems surrounding those concepts created by people like you who don't know what they're talking about but still insist on talking about it.
We saw the Brown family at Disney California Adventure a few years ago. I didn't recognize them at first. But Cody got off the rapids ride and stood in the middle of the walkway shaking his hair out like a dog. The kids kept walking when he stopped. My mom said "that was so weird. It's like that guy wants everyone to stare at him and be the center of attention." Then we turned the corner and saw the kids and a couple wives (Meri is who I recognized) and it all made sense. It was still weird behavior. He had such a "look at me!" attitude.
I always felt so bad for the first three wives when Kody started courting Robyn. You could tell they knew they would be getting less than they already did and that their kids would be getting less time with their father than they already did. Kody sucks.
@@reb3578 Kody actually did attend Janelle's moms funeral, but he didn't go with his and Christine's 17 year old daughter Ysabel to her surgery to correct her scoliosis in NJ. He and Robyn said that he couldn't be away from his and Robyn's kids for that long...disregarding his other kids needs because his kids with Robyn couldn't stand to be away from him. These kids were supposed to be raised in a polygamous family and they can't be away from Kody? That tells me that he's been spending all his time at Robyn for much longer than Covid has been around.
Fun fact, when Joseph Smith married Helen Mar Kimball she was actually 14, not 16. It's even worse then you said. I believe the mormon church likes to phrase it (when they do mention it at all which is almost never) as her being married a few months prior to her 16th year of life. She was 14. *realized you were talking about Fanny Alger not Helen. She was either 15 or 16 and working in his home as a maid when the first evidence says he pressured her into a sexual relationship. Yes he married multiple young girls. The mormon church won't admit to any of them.
The church has books about it so like they have admitted to some aspect of it but they have also whitewashed it A LOT. They insinuate that sex wasn't part of the program so that it doesn't look bad but yeah...
Kody absolutely grew up in polygamy. He grew up in a small town close to where I live and I knew his Dad. His Dad had several wives. They all had their own trailer "house." Why he is denying that makes no sense to me.
There are a lot of polygamous in that area. Everyone knows them and knows about them. They moved there, out in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming, to do whatever they wanted, and they have.
18:43, kody mentioned that Janelle's mom is now his dad's "sister wife". Did he grow up polygamist or did Kody introduce his dad and dad popped off too?
Brown family member myself (Kody’s sister in law and no not a polygamist) and no, Kody did not grow up in polygamy. My in-laws didn't join the AUB until Kody was on his LDS mission. His dad didn't take on another wife until all 10 kids had been born. Kody’s parents were in fact members of the LDS church until the mid 1980’s. Yes, Winn did have other wives but never took another one on until Kody was over 19 years old. His younger siblings were raised in the AUB but Kody was not.
From the beginning, I have been like "How can these ladies seemingly waste their lives on a guy whose whole personality is an old wet pirate boot pulled from the Mariana Trench??? He's just as charming as wet white bread!" I agree 3 of the ladies could be with better men. They deserve to *receive* just as much love as they give & Cody's stale ass ain't it.
Although I have not seen the show I did grow up in the IBLP/Indie. Fundie. Baptist. While I do not know about this group in IBLP your spouse is chosen for you. Many parents will say they just introduce the 2 together but the girls come from a lifetime of being taught they are the property of the men - 1st your dad then your husband. If you are an unmarried adult woman you still are required to live at home until married. If you are gay like my brother you get beat with pool sticks & belt buckles. I lost my brother who died of unresolved childhood trauma. Everyone should be told the truth that these groups can be deadly! Therapy or psych help is also not allowed. I miss him daily. But if you R brainwashed to believe that women are property - or not a good enough wife to be the only 1... you rely on God to introduce to the "right" man and just expected to marry typically whoever asks first. Your description of Kody is spot on! Good job!
You are legit helping me unravel my past spiritual abuse, and I'm a theologian from Finland. I may be geographically and educationally removed from the people you speak about, but I was damaged by similar mindsets. Knowledge, wisdom, justice, a bit of snark: you are doing God's work. Thank you.
Imagine being with someone for so long, the person who is supposed to be with you thick and thin. Then suddenly decide yeah my family is holding me back from my goals. I hope Mary and janelle leaves him and I’m so proud of Christine for leaving and being happy for herself!
Christine honestly has a very soothing voice when she's like.. happy/calm while she's talking. I want her to just tell me stories and gossip with her for ages. Kinda same w Janelle, she reminds me of my dad's mom's friend miss joy who's just a really sweet and warm lady who always makes everyone feel loved
I was diagnosed with scoliosis at 13. My curve was 45ish degrees and I almost went through with surgery (it was canceled at the pre-op, my curve was somehow a bit smaller). Instead, I wore a back brace for eighteen months (18-21 hours a day). Kody’s lack of support felt… unsettling, to say the least. I’m glad Ysabel seems to be doing well
Wow, Christine looks like she is much happier since leaving Kody. Good for her! I think Robyn wants to be a sister wife, but she wants to be the favored wife so she can have a pecking order under her.
at 12:53 when she says "in my opinion FLDS polygamy simply cannot be done ethically" it sounds like she's talking about sustainable farming practices, like "You can't ethically source plural wives"
It frightens me how familiar this level of neglect & abuse is. I grew up IBLP/Ind.Fundie.Baptist - yes, like the duggs but I did not personally know them. I knew how the "community" reacted to his decision to do the show. I recognize the process of an "elder" in the church coming to a young brainwashed girl telling her who God wants her to marry. You do not questions the elders and NEVER ques. the men. Kody can say all day long that everyone was adult and entered the marriage willingly but oppression & control in the culture may mean they emotionally or sociologically had a choice.
I’ve been a Christine stan from the beginning. I was always rooting for Meri to leave first but I’m SO glad that Christine took her future in her own hands. I hope she’s living her very best life
I support open relationships and plural relationships. The problem with this type of plural relationship is that Cody holds all the power. He can have multiple wives and he gets to make all these decisions because he's the head of the family. His wives can't have other husbands, even if they wanted to. If you have a plural relationship that all parties share equal power in, then that's great! This is not that.
And the reason why people might get into poly relationships is usually quite different to what these polygamists families do it for. In my fundie phase I already had heard of this but I took it as just another boogeyman and another potential consequence to allowing marriage equality, for the longest time I couldn’t tell the difference between a consensual poly relationship and an old fashioned polygamist family like the one featured in this show.
I'm polyamorous and I couldn't agree more! Just like monogamous relationships, polyamory can be done in healthy ways and in toxic ways. In order for any relationship to be healthy, all people involved need agency over their own lives and decisions.
Yeah there’s a difference between polyamory and polygamy. Polygamy is almost always gendered and hierarchical, and it mostly ends with viewing women as objects to collect as many of as you can.
Read Irene Spencer's book, "Shattered Dreams: My Life as a Polygamist's Wife" if you can find it. She was one of several wives of an FLDS community in Mexico and finally left polygamy. Men are supposed to have multiple wives so the children they have will be part of the husband's level in heaven. Her logical point was aren't the sons supposed to get married and build their own level of glory in heaven? Then how are they supposed to be part of their father's level? She write amazingly about the primitive conditions, the loneliness, the jealousy -- it was not a happy situation. It taught me so much about FLDS and the polygamy mindset. Great book.
I highly recommend "The Polygamists' daughter" By Anna Labaren it's a look at one of the lesser-known moron cults. Also fun fact Micheals's Appliance which is one of the places this cult got money from in Denver is now a Daycare center. I only know this because I grew up in Northwest Denver a few blocks away from this place.
Poly atheist here don't worry we know we're different from the fundies. My relationship foundation is happiness and bettering each other's lives (we compliment each other) but we specifically also revolve around our bond over visual arts and creative expression. The three of us are talented and I'm so happy to share a life with such creative and challenging people. We all have a different preferred medium (block print, sequential art, and illustration) and we all have different artist's statements. It's nice that we all have our own voice within the same genre we're all so passionate about. I smile every drive home and it's been like this several years now. I usually keep it private because of the weirdos in poly dynamics but I feel comfortable talking about it atm.
The only episode I remember watching is the one about budgeting how much each wife got for their house. Meri was crying because it wasn't her fault she only had one kid. She wanted more kids.
@@quills6978 I agree. It's not her fault she had fertility issues. So she's always supposed to settle for less because she has less kids than everyone else? THAT'S selfish of the other 3 wives in my opinion. She's been married to the jerk longer than anyone else. That alone should afford her an equal portion of everything that the others got for her home's budget!
@@Nille0212 although im not exactly a fan of any of them besides christine, it isn't like meris fertility was her fault and she didn't deserve to be treated like this. really none of them deserve the treatment they were given by surferboy wonder and just shows how much of a shithead he is to them even when it comes to things they literally cannot control
🙋♀️I HAVE A REQUEST🙋♀️ Can you PLEASE do a Sister Wives Threequel .... since we learned that Kody lost his godly status in the celestial kingdom..... and 3 of his wives?! I am DYING to hear your thoughts on the recent revelations!!! Xoxo Ps. Merry everything & happiest of new year wishes to you and James.
Pretty sure in their belief system, any woman no longer in her peak reproductive years is considered old. It’s like, humorous but terrible. P.s. hi, julia! Im julia lol
I'm 43 with a 20yr old and I have to tell him that I'm not as young as he feels like I am.. I'm actually older than a lot of his friend's parents are. He wants me to go clubbing with him and his girlfriend, Like double dating with his father and I. I'm glad I made him feel like I'm THAT COOL, but I'm really NOT. His father is even less cool than I am. We like to be in bed by 10 and in REM sleep by 11 and that's on the weekends. 😆 🤣
Thank you for always telling us where your clothes are from! My girlfriend is plus size and has a similar fashion sense to you and your videos have given me so many ideas of where I can get clothes for them. Came for the fundie snark and am very satisfied, but also enjoying the added bonus!
As someone who just recently binged the last 12 seasons I missed in like a month… “I feel like I know merri better than my own family” is the truest statement I’ve ever heard. Subscribing
Considering Mary recently took a passive aggressive jab at Christine on instagram, because god forbid she moved on, she isn't all that great of a human. She wants to be there.
34:12 “I just think that God’s fine if I want to be happy” - Christine👑long may she thrive ⬆️this is my new personal inner emotional-support inspo-poster slogan
I'm wondering if the family was fine till Cody decided he needed a 4th wife. The first three seemed like they'd all gotten married at the same time, built a family and grew together.
I don’t really think that’s the case. In the first season of the show, the wives talked about all of the problems they had, and the first 3 seemed a lot more hostile toward each other back then. They seemed to struggle more with jealousy and insecurity than they do now, and they mentioned quite a bit of bullying. It also kind of seemed like Meri introduced Robyn to their husband because she was lonely and being ostracized by the other 2 wives. Once Robyn joined the family, they had a new set of problems to focus on, and their old issues were kind of...forgotten, almost?
it's super validating/slightly vindicating as an exmormon to hear someone else from the outside looking in to say "I hate the guy" in reference to Joseph Smith because sometimes I feel so alone in that living in Utah surrounded on all sides by active members. Gets rough sometimes.
As a Las Vegas native I will say that Even though we’re “Sin City” there’s a lot of conservative people here and a HUGE mormon population. My middle school had a mormon temple so that students could go if needed.
Finding out that Mormons are part of the reason that city (through a fort) exists in the first place was one of the most surprising things I ever read, I thought it was the "Sin City" almost from the very beginning.
I loved this video. I wish all the best to Christine in her new life! For Kody to have abandoned Truly and Ysabel when they had medical issues is beyond terrible.
Mary saying she felt like a bad mom for NOT KNOWING and not BECAUSE Mariah is a lesbian is the saddest and sweetest mom thing to say. I’m so proud of how Mary would up handling her coming out, especially given that Mariah is her only kid and I know how fundies are.
After hearing Christine say he decided they would no longer have sex and how sweet she seems and how BEAUTIFUL she is, my theory is this: Cody’s heart is not the only cold, shriveled up part of his anatomy and should probably see his doctor about that *ALLEGEDLY*
I just found your channel and I freakin' love you! Sister Wives is a fun show to watch. When my ex cheated on me he was like "well you like that sister wives shit, why can't I just have you both?" Truly a Kody mentality. Absolutely buckwild.
The Mormon Church has denied that Joseph Smith was a polygamist? Dang, that's on the level of Stalin and Putin in terms of attempting to rewrite literal history.
If you ever get a chance, the CES Letters (might be on Audible as one of the free selections still if you trial it) goes through the various things the LDS Church has gone to great lengths to bury in their history. It's an interesting read.
@@pansprayers never been Mormon but I’ve heard plenty of things about that document including some people’s faith breaking apart after they read it (kind of like reading from people who stopped believing after reading the Bible in its entirety).
@@monus782 I don't honestly see how any reasonably sane individual could read the bible and BELIEVE any of it. So much evil and so many contradictions. That is one of my pet peeves about most anything though, when a book, movie or TV show get things out of sequence or contradict what was previously stated.
@@randibgood while I was still in I tried to read the text in its entirety but there were some parts where I'd stop reading not so much because of the questionable content (like what is featured in Joshua and Judges for example) but because I'd wonder if those events really did happen, that's how much of a fundie I was and I always tried to follow given commentaries but they didn't always help (I was even distrustful of more recent translations because of the scholarship so I was close to being the equivalent of a KJV Only fundie). What ended up collapsing my faith in Christianity altogether was not the Bible itself but rejecting church doctrines attributed to it (after reading doctrinal documents my church has churned out through the centuries) and they were mainly the Fall of Adam and Original Sin (which is ironic as the latter is never mentioned explicitly like the Trinity) while figuring out that without them most of the theology makes no sense, in this regard I feel that I had my own equivalent to reading the CES Letter. I admit that some parts of the book are fascinating but after reading the genocidal parts I figured that it's not something I'd want to get my morals from after all, but again it got much easier to read through the text after I left and when the cognitive dissonance was gone.
“Wow. That sure was awkward. I’m really glad that I’m not sealed to this man, and don’t have to spend eternity with him and uhhh- a bunch of other women that hate me. That sure would be unfortunate.” -my new mantra
39:15 and Robyn seems to want an unattainable life where she is both a sisterwife and yet the only wife" is so friggin true, that is literally the entire show lol. She's too pure to move in when she's not married but slept with him before they married, hypocritical much?
Joseph Smith had actually been secretly practicing polygamy for over 10 years before he received this “revelation” in 1843 which was pretty much just to sway his first wife Emma into supporting his polygamy, telling her she would be condemned in heaven if she didn’t allow it. By the time he recorded this plural marriage “revelation” in 1843, he had already spiritually married over a dozen women in secret. He spiritually married or “sealed” himself to over 30 women total, one as young as 14 years old. I grew up in mainstream Mormonism and never knew Joseph Smith was even a polygamist, let alone married over 30 women, some underage at the time. The Church doesn’t teach it’s members even a shred of truth about its own history. Don’t even get me started on the rock and the hat….
So! The rock and the hat. It has to do with how Joseph Smith claimed he translated the Book of Mormon. He said that he was led to a hill by God and found gold plates buried in this hill - the Book of Mormon, but it wasn’t in English obviously. The church now portrays that Joseph would use a friend as his scribe to write for him as he translated this ancient text - and that he gained these new magical translating powers with the help of the Spirit. There is no proof he ever actually found gold plates, obviously. There are witness testimonies that the church uses to back up their claims that other people like friends of Joseph saw the gold plates so the plates must be real - but they actually said they saw them with their “spiritual eye” not really in person. He claimed later that God took the plates off the earth after he was done with translating the Book of Mormon -how convenient! Nothing to prove they ever existed. Basically, the church portrays that he had these gold plates on a table, with a cloth separating him from his scribe (they were too “sacred” for most people to even see) and he would read the ancient text on these plates and word for word translate in English out loud and his scribe would write down his translation - thus, the Book of Mormon. But, how he ACTUALLY claimed to translate is just plain weird and the church continues to try to cover it up with a better sounding story. He claimed he would put a plain rock into a hat, and stick his head into the hat, and he claimed that the words from the plates would appear on rock, magically. There were times that these plates wouldn’t even be in the room when he was translating - after all, why would he even need the plates in the first place if he used a rock inside a hat to have to translate? It’s weird, basically - and if members of the church knew the actual history of what witnesses said and what Joseph Smith claimed instead of what the church tries to portray, I don’t think there would be as many Mormons as there are now. Also, the Book of Mormon is very long and the gold plates would have been too heavy for him to carry himself. It’s just silly. He was a weird dude and the church tries to make him sound like Jesus.
Hi Jen! I'm a library science student and as such I need practice formatting bibliographies, etc. I'm wondering if you would like someone to assemble your video sources into a standard bibliography format. It's win/win-- you get citations and I get to practice with content I'm interested in :) Either going forward, or even through your previous uploads. Let me know if you're interested :) I adore your content-- you make learning about other people's imaginary friend with anger issues fun!
@@mooney9046I don't believe that God is vengeful. I believe that God is kindness. I think depicting Him as angry is a bastardization of the Christian message. I take much offense to God being used to justify hate, and have a hard time teaching myself about them. Fundie Friday's videos let me learn more about these beliefs in a way that I don't spin-out in my own head.
@Triskaidekapho13ic try doing the mature thing and avoid or don't interact with things that make you angry. It'll make your life much more enjoyable 👍. OP wasn't inciting violence towards you so you engaging is only going to continue with a topic that upsets you. If it upsets you, then leave 🤷♀️ you're the one with a problem here.
This is such a good idea because she does actually great research and as an anthropology student I would love to be able to cite these videos in super specific papers about religion
To be fair, I’m pretty sure Robyn is the only one that has a real relationship with Kody and Kody is probably only really attentive to her kids. So she’s not getting shorted anything.
Here in Denmark we have an island (Læsø) where polyandry was the norm in the 19 century. Women would have two husbands, a summer husband and a winter husband. The woman would tend to the farm and the husbands would be fishers. So one husband would always be out fishing and one would always be home helping on the farm. It was a matriarchy, where the woman would inherit the land, because you always know who the mother is. It was not religious, it was practical.
oh LIT?
I like that
Polyandry is when a woman has multiple husbands (because English is weird and sucks). Bigomy hits the nail on the head collectively, though.
That’s fascinating, it’s so rare to see polygamous practices where it’s one wife and more than one husband. Thank you for sharing!
@@pansprayers bigamy not bigomy
Cody is a giant child. There is no point of being the "center of the wheel" if he has no desire to actually support all his wives and children. What a crappy situation
agreed.
I absolutely agree! I have always gotten narcissistic vibes from him.
I feel you, I never trusted him.
Literally these people are the polyamorous communities worse nightmare
Actually, he's an arms dealer so at least now he actually could financially support them, he just chooses not to.
I bet if someone gave Cody a piece of paper and asked him to write all of his children’s names and ages he would fail miserably 🥸
He would remember Robin's kids.
Yeah what score would “Dayton, Aurora, Brianna, Solomon, and Ariella” give him?
That would be likely for men in normal monogamous relationships too, though.
@@annunciataparchesi1832 what sort of POS men do you know? Every dude I know is always talking about his kids
@@annunciataparchesi1832 definitely not
Interviewer- "You didn't grow up in a polygamous household. What made you choose this lifestyle?"
Kody- My insane need for control and unchallenged narcissism
Do you believe his wives lied too, or just him?
Also, do you believe that about all monogamous _and_ polyamorous/polygamous men, or just polyamorous/polygamous men? Or maybe just this guy? And if so, why?
And don't forget.. he didn't want to work or support his kids!!
I think it was his giant ego. Because if you watch whenever he goes someplace like honeymoon or private trip w one wife or the other he always finds a way to brag that hes got multiple wives
@@QuinnieMae
You do understand that polygamy and polyamory are fundamentally different, right?
Also intense insecurity! That guy just stinks of a deep, deep fear of loneliness and need for attention.
lol i just googled kody and his description is "christine brown's ex-husband" which i love
That's awesome!
This made my day 🤣
That's great!🤣
I just googled him for this reason alone, and I was not disappointed. Thank you for your comment!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yaaaaaas
I'm so glad Christine said she was dating herself, as a divorcee myself, that's rock solid advice I got from my therapist and friends.
My mom too, it’s so nice to see her so happy 😀
Solid
Same! Divorce makes you poor and it’s hard to not have someone there anymore to back you up. But oh man is it worth learning yourself better esp if your partner was in any way abusive or dysfunctional
it honestly got me a lil choked up when she said that. you can really feel how excited she is to be out of that marriage.
know thyself
The thing that sister wives has most reinforced in me, is people will do legit crazy things against their own best interest if someone tells them it will pay off in the after life...
That was basically me in my fundie phase, especially with the whole "going to hell for rubbing one out" thing that I really believed in as I ended up going to therapy just for that (only to be told that it was just my anxiety, at the time I didn't believe them but in the end they were right).
In my experience for some going to heaven is the only thing that really matters so they'll act accordingly to the point of neglecting most things of this life (at worst ignoring things like climate change) and it was one of the things supporting my sense of purpose for the longest time, when my faith in Christianity collapsed entirely over two years ago it felt that I lost everything and I suspect that as part of my trauma my deconversion was one the things that caused my suicidal thoughts as I had nothing left to look forward to and nothing left to live for (when that happened though I thought it was because of something else, I didn't realize I may have suffered from religious trauma until recently as I really don't recall ever being depressed while I was still in) so I'm just glad to be still here.
I'm still trying to recover from that as sometimes I ask myself what's the point to any of this if this life is all there is, again I put so much of my purpose into that religion for most of my life that I don't know what to replace it with and I feel for others who left fundie communities who have felt similarly. Maybe this is learned helplessness as for most of my life I was told scripted answers to life and what to do but now I’m all on my own to answer the questions (and I'm sometimes reminded of Karl Marx's famous, or infamous, quote about religion being the opium of the masses as for some this life is so shit the only thing they can look forward to is the next one).
Thank you for listening to my TED rant.
not that the two are related but this is funny because it's the exact opposite experience with me and my ADHD. I am pretty much incapable of doing things that are hard in the moment but will benefit me in the long run, even though I'm logically fully aware of these benefits. I would be the worst christian
@@monus782 hi, I`m sorry you had to go through this. I get it, because I was raised in a strict catholic household and am now a not-believer with some trauma ^^. I`d recommend you to watch mormon stories podcast channel. They talk a lot about religious trauma, leaving the faith, and live after religion. Although it`s about mormonism I find it translates very well to other strict christian groups too. It was helpful for me, because I felt less alone, and supported in my opinions...reassured that I´m not bad for forming my own moral values... Take care, I hope life gets better for you!
They are all clearly miserable. So their goal at this point …is to make the misery eternal?? It makes no sense. The self hatred required to do this to yourself boggles my mind.
@@kajika6226 I was of the traditionalist kind of Catholic (the guys who still do the Mass in Latin and act like Vatican II never happened) through my college years until my deconversion and I tend to think that was the logical conclusion to my own conservative upbringing (the kind that says to obey the Church in everything it says and as a result I had nothing but contempt for Catholics who I perceived to be more liberal or "cafeteria" about it, especially when it came to abortion and LGBT+ rights) and although I look at my past with some fondness and nostalgia I look at the rest with bitterness as I suppressed my sexuality for nothing (while being a pius dipshit for around 8 years) and I wonder if any of this would've happened had I been raised in a more secular household, the worst part is that I can't come out especially to my father as he still has some far right links within the Church.
As I was telling a friend recently talking about the Latin Mass feels like talking about an ex and for a while I really thought that perhaps God wanted me to be a priest or a monk (like it was for many of my former parish friends, I think that fueled my depression when that was no longer possible), for that I didn't date during those college years and I sometimes feel like regretting that (especially as I just turned 27) while feeling this is one of the things I'm behind socially (the other being not having many interests besides theology and liturgy). How ironic that during those years I had more in common with the other fundies I despised (especially Baptists and other Evangelicals, I remember that one time a missionary of theirs basically told me I was going to hell for being part of the wrong church and I never took him seriously) than the average American Catholic.
That podcast has been helpful but I've been listening to Mormon Discussions more often (you might see some of my comments I've left in their videos) and I'm amazed how similar my background has been to some former Mormons I've heard from. You take care as well.
Robin’s comments on Christine leaving show how selfish she is. “She gets to find someone she really loves” no shit that’s the point.
You know, she feels Christine didn't try hard enough... twenty-something years in THAT marriage trying to make everyone else happy, "not hard enough"...
Robyn doesn't understand that Christine leaving wasn't due to a lack of love on her part at all, it was a lack of love on Kody's part. And now Christine gets to find someone who really loves her.
It’s ironic asf too bc robin is divorced herself. Like how hard did you try robin? Hmmm. Sounds like you chose to quit trying when you could’ve kept trying. She found someone she really loves and got a pretty great life out of it. Why can’t Christine do the same??? 🙄🙄
Robin is divorced, so she needs to zip it, no woman wants to be with a man who is turned off by you, it doesn't matter how much love & effort you put into a relationship it HAS to be returned or why be with someone who will rob you of emotional & physical relationship much less marriage..
@@theresacoy9881 Robyn likes to re-write history. She said way back in the beginning of the show that she loves having alone time when Kody is with another wife and she can't imagine having a husband around all the time. Bish, you were in a monogamous marriage for 10 years, what do you mean you can't imagine it?! She's nutty.
*Watching Christine just blossom with genuine joy after leaving Kody has simply been wonderful to witness.* 🥰
Now that the first three wives have left Kody, we NEED a new Sister Wives video from you! ✌️😀
Here here!!!
Yes!!!!
Omg I hope so hehe
Yuuuuuuuuup
I’m glad they all left his ass. Robin was always the obvious favorite. Curious to see if they continue to live the plural marriage lifestyle. If he gets a younger, prettier wife robin won’t be the favorite anymore…
I will say that I think Kody is emotionally abusive. He manipulates, gaslights, insults, withholds affection and so much more. He’s a serial emotional abuser.
Agree I definitely think abuse is a factor just not in how most people recognize it.
Agree, there may not be sexual or physical abuse, but there is a LOT of emotional abuse
I think it's a fine line to ride. I honestly don't think he is trying to be abusive, I think he just wants to be In Charge and his little boy caveman heart can't mature into accepting that he doesn't deserve to be...
@@chelsea6329 emotionally abusive people aren't usually -trying- to be abusive and may not even recognize their behavior as abusive (my ex was very proud of himself for not being physically abusive but emotionally abused me constantly and refused to believe it was abuse) they learned things to do or say to get people to react or behave the way they want and they do those things.
I feel like if he were married to only one wife and not on TV, his wife would be so isolated and trapped. Truly a nightmare being married to someone like that and keeping all his abuse secret.
I grew up LDS, and I ASSURE you that we ALL knew polygamist families and we were all taught to be quiet about it. I would argue it's the real #1 tenet.
I'd like to warn anyone thinking this bullshit is a good idea the main reason that it's not: When your great husband dies all his shit goes to the wife he's legally married to. Your ass is now dependent upon how much SHE likes you. I think it's pretty clear from this show how much that really is. I've seen it go down,. and it's a real shit show.
Wow, yikes!
Or, it goes to the church, like the Davis County Cooperative/Kingston Clan does to it's members, and the kids/wives are forced to buy it back, all the way down to the nails in the wall. Watched that go down in Holliday, and again in Millcreek.
Interesting, I’ve been watching Big Love and they portray the mainstream LDS as hating polygamy as a sin and being eager to turn in plural wives to the cops. But I’ve known a lot of LDS folks irl and I’ve never heard them express any sort of contempt towards plural marriage. So I’m guessing Big Love hyped up the mainstream LDS anti-polygamy stance for the drama.
@@Forestfreud it's a weird thing, TBH. I've heard venom, sympathy and apathy from my husband's (exMormon, from a founding family) family. One turned in a family they suspected for practicing polygamy (they weren't, but snitching culture is like that) into the Ward Bishop, and almost had them excommunicated - the family moved. Sympathy for the kids of a very obvious family (IF the state were to prosecute, then what happens to the 43 kids?), and venom for the parents. It's a gammet, TBH, not helped in the slightest bit by the fact that the LDS Church has gone out of their way to bury and rewrite their own history repeatedly.
I think it's both. I grew up super Mormon in Utah County, and everyone talked trash about polygamists. I'm sure I went to school with children of polygamists, but nobody talked about it. I did not realize how prevalent polygamy in Utah is until after I left the church. Growing up we honestly thought it was super weird when the Sister Wives (Brown) family was in the next town over. People would gossip about seeing them at the local Walmart.
"you're not a surfer dude Cody you're from Wyoming"
Another great episode. thanks
she speaks the truth.
My partner has basically zero context as far as Sister Wives goes. His impression of Kody Brown is *Checks notes* "He looks like the lead singer of a Creed tribute band and he's the only member because nobody else can stand him"
It checks out
Mine's reaction was "that one white dude who still talks about high school and how he could have gone pro if not for his ACL but in reality, he was never that good. So instead he married right out of high school and regretted it almost instantly."
His sister's reaction was "That one Dollar tree cashier who takes his job way too serusly even though he isn't getting medical benefits."
That “What does the nanny DO?” quote takes me out every single time I hear it. Christine was fed up and you can hear it in that quote.
Oh yeah. Particularly bc Christine had to do EVERYTHING. There's 2 adult children + Kody in Robyn's house and she got to have a Nanny? Oh hell no!
Robyn doesn’t work and was quarantined with the kids for Covid, so genuinely why did she have a nanny??
Christine saying "I'm dating me". Now that is so empowering.
Maybe that's something more people need to hear considering how often I've seen others being lonely (and sometimes feeling that myself).
we stan a queen!
I hope she goes on fun dates with herself now that she only has to plan around her kids really. (seriously i go on dates with myself, and it's so fun
@@monus782 Same
@@monus782 ⁰
"Robyn desires an arrangement where she is not only a sister wife, but the ONLY wife". Truer words have never been spoken 😂 Thank you so much for this video Jen and congratulations to you & James on your engagement!! ❤️
Honestly I don’t even think that’s enough for her. I think she wants sister wives that have failing relationships with Kody so she can feel like the favorite every day and so that she can see the jealousy and/or envy on the other women’s faces. She def gets a rise out of that.
Robyn wants ladies-in-waiting.
@@MT-lk7qt dont we all? We also want that pink spider sweater.
That describes her first marriage. They were going to try polygamy but Robyn didn't let it happen then either.
She wants a husband, a babysitter, a teacher, a housekeeper and someone to bring home the bacon.
She doesn't want to do anything herself. She offered nothing to this family, but demanded everything and got it.
"You're not a surfer dude, Kody, you're from Wyoming." LMAO
edited to add: Robyn seems to want the situation to be where she is Sarah to Kody's Abraham, and everyone else is Hagar, the servant woman.
Except that Sarah was the first wife and Robyn isn’t.
@@terry9238 shhh don't tell her that, she's living in a fantasy world right now lol
Cody saying his family is an obstacle reminders me of that tweet saying what if dad’s leave their kids because the kids have bad vibes
Truuuuu
I'd rather spend an eternity in hell than a minute in a marriage with Kody 😂
That's a good one. I agree!
They honestly seem to be one in the same at this point!
Marriage to Kody is hell on earth.
Yeah the flames look very attractive and Im Catholic lol
And Christine is ultimate queen. Her interview about feeling light and living life nearly brought me to tears. She’s so happy now.
When you said "There are 100s of kids raised in this environment" my mind went "That's two whole families worth"
HaHa 😀
Christine was the spark in that family. Everyone seems so miserable, I want to see Christine happy again, kudos to her for following her own path, I hope Meri leaves to work at her BnB and Janel leaves and gets that RV life shes wanted. Robyn gets a balding angry man, like shes always wanted. Kody gets only Robyn, like hes always wanted.
I honestly think that Kody would turn on Robyn if the others left. He may view her as his favorite wife, but Kody likes the idea of controlling the other women. And I think that he likes being able to choose to give Robyn special attention; it probably feels a bit subversive and naughty to him. But take away all the other women, and I don't know if he would be happy with just Robyn. Maybe he would, but I think his ego would be bruised at his loss of power.
Yeah, she's also a main mother figure to the kids except for Robin's. She might support any kids wanting to leave Kody.
The original comment is just beautiful. "Robyn gets an angry, balding man, like she's always wanted. 😂
Christine was the glue in that family. All of the children took her side in the seperation,all of them. Christine and Janelle are just good people
The fact that Kody couldn't find a way to insure his kids would be enough for me to leave this arrangement
Funeral for Kodys hairline and his and Christines relationship- so happy she’s doing what she wants - love the 🕸🕷sweater!
His hair made a dramatic run for the hills and I don’t blame it
😂😂😂💯
@@Rebelluver97 Tried to slip out the back door while the cameras were pointing at someone else
@@Rebelluver97 I truly laughed out loud when I read this! Good one Jacqueline!👋👋You made my mascara run, doggone it. And my make-up looked really good today.
He proves the legend that every time you hurt a women your hairline recedes.
Kody: I can marry multiple multiple wives for religious reasons, but how dare my wives marry me for religious reasons? >.>;;
Well, it’s in keeping with Joseph Smith. He used spiritual abuse to make his first wife shut up about him marrying several teenagers, but when she said “okay if you get multiple wives then I get multiple husbands” he was like “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WOULD SAY THAT, GOD SAYS IT ONLY WORKS ONE WAY”
"you don't get it.......it's ok when men do it"
I would also like to add the it was Kody’s fault that Truely almost died of kidney failure. She was sick and he neglected to give her any fluids and she became so dehydrated it almost killed her.
His excuse, if I remember correctly, was that the older kids were supposed to be watching her
Some time ago I watched a random clip in which Kody was barking at Truely for being scared of getting on the bycicle: it was like a representation of every single thing you should not do as a parent to encourage your kids to learn new things.
Ugh, that is just unconscionable on every level.
The issue I take with polygamy is that all of the men that I've seen participate in it treat their wives like a collection of items, the same way they view a collection of cars or guns or shot glasses they've picked up in their travels; a symbol of status, importance. "I'm so great, all these women wanted/we're commanded by God to marry me!" Is the vibe.
@@HolldollMcG they're so fucked up, Robyn assaulting the cat, Paedon sexually abusing Gwendolyn, Christine bullying Meri, Janelle abandoning Garrison, they're sick people.
Ok imo Christine is the "Jill Duggar" of the Brown family in that she was not the one I thought would leave but it's so awesome to see her grow 😊
Vera Weng - except christine would never rail against transgendered Jazz.
As someone raised in IBLP/Indie Fundie Baptist I agree! My heart breaks when I think of all the women who never had any access to therapy, deprogramming or knowing what it's like to be self-supporting. I wish them all recovery & a peaceful content life.
I love how Kody's interview at 31:17 lists him as "Kody Brown: Married To Four Women" like it's his job. New career goals.
Based on how much of his income comes from the show, it kinda IS his job
A job he sucks at.
STOP IT YOU GUYS! You are cracking me up sarah chill omg, Rumination Station and Ginger Snaps The Pumpkin Kitty! 🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of Tobey, Age 3, Alcoholic
It's so nice to see that at least one person was able to throw their hands up and say "Nope. This isn't good for me, and I won't let it control my life anymore." I feel for all the wives, really, but I'm especially proud of Christine.
I'm still a little surprised that Christine was the first to go. It makes sense, but I always thought that Meri would leave first. I'm proud of Christine for not taking his shit anymore and putting herself first. I hope she finds healing and happiness.
@@ladycaticorn2950 I hope Meri leaves soon, for her sake. Honestly Kody is better off married to himself.
I'd love to count how many times he says "I" and "me"...he's so obsessed with himself.
He is part of a group that feeds I to narsasism. When it comes to men anyway. Of course it is all about him.
Saying me or I a lot doesn't mean you're obsessed with yourself. Cody definitely is a narcissistic but saying me or I a lot doesn't always equal being self obsessed
@@basementdwellercosplay it does show a much higher register on the narccsistic behaviour scale. Everyone is a little narccsistic by nature (because after all, if you aren't looking out for yourself, you're not going to last long on this mortal plane), but if you find yourself using 'me' or 'I' in a conversation that should involve 'we', 'us', 'you', and 'they' more often, it's time to figure out why that is.
@@pansprayers exactly.
No abuse?!? There’s emotional abuse ALL OVER this family! And the “helicopter mom-ness” of Sobyn is ridiculous.
Yes most definitely
This. That's the one thing I didn't agree with, there was definitely abuse. And allegedly there's trauma from one of Christine's daughters to one of her brothers, and they don't speak and she said she would not talk to him for a long time. Gwyn I believe. So it may not be terrible physical abuse, but there's definitely emotional and mental and gaslighting. Can't speak on Gwen's trauma but it can't be good.
Agreed. Just because there is no evidence of physical abuse does not mean the other forms are just as dangerous. Emotional, physical, sexual, psychological, educational & religious abuse are all abuse and require a lifetime of boundaries.
Raised IBLP my dad frequently tried to beat the "sissy" out of my gay brother. We lost him. He died of unresolved childhood trauma & he had no insurance to cover therapy. I miss him daily. The extreme groups can be more than dangerous, they can be deadly!
@Clean & Serene JFT that's terrible, I'm really sorry to hear that and I empathize with you 😞
I think there was a lot of emotional and mental abuse on Kody’s part..from making disparaging remarks about Christine to withholding affection from his partners because they weren’t “obedient” emotional/mental abuse is just as bad as bad as physical
“If you want to watch a show that shows the slow and painful death of four different relationships simultaneously, Sister Wives is the show for you”
This. 😅 so true
Jen, THANK YOU for specifying that this is not typical of all plural relationships. It is a nuance that most of the world skips and it made me smile to hear it.
I appreciated that too. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to explain the difference to unknowing monogamous friends lol it’s exhausting.
Same.
I actually have a friend from work who has two husbands. Breathed such a huge sigh when she said that, because they are a happy family. Maybe because they aren't religious.
Wow. There is a ton in this thread.
@Rhythmn Of Love dude. i want to be nice but i cannot think of a polite way to tell you how stupid this is. no one is going to mistake the use of "plural" between DID and polyamorous communities, unless someone is trying to indicate that they are like, married to an alter. this is like saying you shouldn't call thinly sliced fried potatoes "chips" because it might upset the fractured teacup community. your community gets ownership of your usage of the word. not the whole word. two communities using the same word does not associate them by default. not to mention "plural" would have been in usage by polygamists long before DID became a recognized diagnosis.
I think it’s sometimes hard for people to understand the difference between these type of polygamists and polyamory. The problem isn’t the poly part, it’s the lack of power the women have and the unhealthy relationships they foster
Yes, thank you for mentioning this! As a long time secular polyam person (well, ethical non-monogamous relationship anarchist, to be precise 😁), this frustrates me soooo much. Egalitarian polyamory (which may or may not involve marriage or even cohabitation) and is based (ideally) on the preference of each person to have multiple intimate/loving relationships, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, with full consent, agency and autonomy of all is a far cry from religious polygyny. That involves only one person in the group being non-monogamous, is strictly gender divided (the wives are all monogamous to the single husband, and only men can engage in multiple romantic/sexual relationships), and is of course dictated by religion, creating conditions where people who might otherwise not wish to be in that kind of relationship feel compelled to by the dictates of their faith. Not remotely the same thing.
They both have issues
@@cynthiaevery2801 Thank u! Poly anything in a relationship just doesn’t feel right imo
@@jeanakatherine9369 Poly relationships are much harder to navigate than mono ones. the more people, the more difficult. It's like a tower of blocks. The more you add, the more you have to work to keep it from falling over, however you feel really satisfied and fufilled when you ACTUALLY get a nice tower. It's not for everyone, some people think two blocks are enough, because it's not worth the trouble. Some want a tower of a certain height. The most important thing is that all of the blocks are solid. Because if they aren't solid as individuals, they won't make a good tower.
Source: I'm a mostly-monogamous woman engaged to a man who leans Poly. I have been in a poly relationship, and I currently have an open relationship (open on BOTH sides) and we're still the best of friends and very much in love after 8 years
@@jeanakatherine9369 plenty of straights and "straights" say the exact same thing about gays.
Plenty of racists say the same thing about interracial marriage and mixed people.
And plenty of cis people say the same thing about trans people.
Just because you aren't sexually educated or mature enough to envision healthy relationships outside of your personal preferences doesn't there's anything wrong with those relationships.
It just means you lack both empathy and knowledge on the subject.
There is nothing wrong with healthy non-monogamous relationships just as there is nothing wrong with healthy monogamous ones, what makes them unhealthy is the problems surrounding those concepts created by people like you who don't know what they're talking about but still insist on talking about it.
The outspoken and less submissive wives get frozen out. Kody is an egotistical, underdeveloped manchild who needs a harem to make him feel powerful.
He's said he favored Robyn because she's a submissive wife while he was arguing with his son before. You're totally right
We saw the Brown family at Disney California Adventure a few years ago. I didn't recognize them at first. But Cody got off the rapids ride and stood in the middle of the walkway shaking his hair out like a dog. The kids kept walking when he stopped. My mom said "that was so weird. It's like that guy wants everyone to stare at him and be the center of attention." Then we turned the corner and saw the kids and a couple wives (Meri is who I recognized) and it all made sense. It was still weird behavior. He had such a "look at me!" attitude.
I always felt so bad for the first three wives when Kody started courting Robyn. You could tell they knew they would be getting less than they already did and that their kids would be getting less time with their father than they already did. Kody sucks.
I never realized Janelle's mom was married to Kody's dad. That must add a whole extra layer of difficulty when thinking about leaving her husband.
*leaving her step-brother
I think she was also formerly married to Meri's brother
She died a while ago. I believe Kody didn't even go to the funeral because of "COVID"
@@reb3578 Kody actually did attend Janelle's moms funeral, but he didn't go with his and Christine's 17 year old daughter Ysabel to her surgery to correct her scoliosis in NJ. He and Robyn said that he couldn't be away from his and Robyn's kids for that long...disregarding his other kids needs because his kids with Robyn couldn't stand to be away from him. These kids were supposed to be raised in a polygamous family and they can't be away from Kody? That tells me that he's been spending all his time at Robyn for much longer than Covid has been around.
@@LiisaKatrina1 ah thank you, I was half asleep when I watched this and got my events mixed up!
Fun fact, when Joseph Smith married Helen Mar Kimball she was actually 14, not 16. It's even worse then you said. I believe the mormon church likes to phrase it (when they do mention it at all which is almost never) as her being married a few months prior to her 16th year of life. She was 14.
*realized you were talking about Fanny Alger not Helen. She was either 15 or 16 and working in his home as a maid when the first evidence says he pressured her into a sexual relationship. Yes he married multiple young girls. The mormon church won't admit to any of them.
But it seems they very much hold themselves "above" others. Given the horrid things they are responsible for seems much more than just hypocritical.
yikes.....
The church has books about it so like they have admitted to some aspect of it but they have also whitewashed it A LOT. They insinuate that sex wasn't part of the program so that it doesn't look bad but yeah...
Kody absolutely grew up in polygamy. He grew up in a small town close to where I live and I knew his Dad. His Dad had several wives. They all had their own trailer "house." Why he is denying that makes no sense to me.
There are a lot of polygamous in that area. Everyone knows them and knows about them. They moved there, out in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming, to do whatever they wanted, and they have.
18:43, kody mentioned that Janelle's mom is now his dad's "sister wife". Did he grow up polygamist or did Kody introduce his dad and dad popped off too?
@@littlepixieme1 He grew up in it but these guys will add wives till they die as long as women are stupid enough to marry them.
They have lied a lot and exposed themselves many times
Brown family member myself (Kody’s sister in law and no not a polygamist) and no, Kody did not grow up in polygamy. My in-laws didn't join the AUB until Kody was on his LDS mission. His dad didn't take on another wife until all 10 kids had been born. Kody’s parents were in fact members of the LDS church until the mid 1980’s. Yes, Winn did have other wives but never took another one on until Kody was over 19 years old. His younger siblings were raised in the AUB but Kody was not.
From the beginning, I have been like "How can these ladies seemingly waste their lives on a guy whose whole personality is an old wet pirate boot pulled from the Mariana Trench??? He's just as charming as wet white bread!" I agree 3 of the ladies could be with better men. They deserve to *receive* just as much love as they give & Cody's stale ass ain't it.
i'd argue even robyn deserves better- or at least her kids do. though also at the same time she and kody are perfect for each other because my god
@@quills6978 Yeah, I can see your side about the kids. It's just something about Robyn that gives me bad vibes, tho I'm not sure why.
No way that boot belonged to a pirate
Although I have not seen the show I did grow up in the IBLP/Indie. Fundie. Baptist. While I do not know about this group in IBLP your spouse is chosen for you. Many parents will say they just introduce the 2 together but the girls come from a lifetime of being taught they are the property of the men - 1st your dad then your husband. If you are an unmarried adult woman you still are required to live at home until married. If you are gay like my brother you get beat with pool sticks & belt buckles. I lost my brother who died of unresolved childhood trauma. Everyone should be told the truth that these groups can be deadly! Therapy or psych help is also not allowed. I miss him daily.
But if you R brainwashed to believe that women are property - or not a good enough wife to be the only 1... you rely on God to introduce to the "right" man and just expected to marry typically whoever asks first.
Your description of Kody is spot on! Good job!
Love you guys. Congrats on the engagement! May you make a faithful help-meet Jen and obey the household under King James 🤣
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You are legit helping me unravel my past spiritual abuse, and I'm a theologian from Finland. I may be geographically and educationally removed from the people you speak about, but I was damaged by similar mindsets. Knowledge, wisdom, justice, a bit of snark: you are doing God's work. Thank you.
Imagine being with someone for so long, the person who is supposed to be with you thick and thin. Then suddenly decide yeah my family is holding me back from my goals. I hope Mary and janelle leaves him and I’m so proud of Christine for leaving and being happy for herself!
It's Betrayal
Christine honestly has a very soothing voice when she's like.. happy/calm while she's talking. I want her to just tell me stories and gossip with her for ages. Kinda same w Janelle, she reminds me of my dad's mom's friend miss joy who's just a really sweet and warm lady who always makes everyone feel loved
I feel like she's the type of woman who would offer you lemon poppyseed muffins and a really good cup of ice tea while you chit-chated.
I was diagnosed with scoliosis at 13. My curve was 45ish degrees and I almost went through with surgery (it was canceled at the pre-op, my curve was somehow a bit smaller). Instead, I wore a back brace for eighteen months (18-21 hours a day). Kody’s lack of support felt… unsettling, to say the least. I’m glad Ysabel seems to be doing well
True. I hope your condition is better.
@@alwaysflushinpublicI am doing well. Thank you.
Wow, Christine looks like she is much happier since leaving Kody. Good for her!
I think Robyn wants to be a sister wife, but she wants to be the favored wife so she can have a pecking order under her.
I arranged my work schedule so I'm off on Fridays. This has become a wonderful ritual for me. You guys are awesome!
You mean you rearranged your schedule specifically for fundie fridays? 🧐Genius 😂🙌🏼
We are all basically going to church every Friday which is hilarious, considering!
Qq
Another reason to look forward to Fridays!
Meanwhile... these videos are what get me through Friday afternoons in the office!
Fun fact: we actually had to read the Brown's court case for my family law class! It's in law school textbooks
Jen!! You look great in that sweater. And I mean that in a gay way.
mad impressed that Jen can speak cohesively WHILE doing liquid eyeliner and that it manages to look good
at 12:53 when she says "in my opinion FLDS polygamy simply cannot be done ethically" it sounds like she's talking about sustainable farming practices, like "You can't ethically source plural wives"
It frightens me how familiar this level of neglect & abuse is. I grew up IBLP/Ind.Fundie.Baptist - yes, like the duggs but I did not personally know them. I knew how the "community" reacted to his decision to do the show. I recognize the process of an "elder" in the church coming to a young brainwashed girl telling her who God wants her to marry. You do not questions the elders and NEVER ques. the men. Kody can say all day long that everyone was adult and entered the marriage willingly but oppression & control in the culture may mean they emotionally or sociologically had a choice.
I’ve been a Christine stan from the beginning. I was always rooting for Meri to leave first but I’m SO glad that Christine took her future in her own hands. I hope she’s living her very best life
I support open relationships and plural relationships. The problem with this type of plural relationship is that Cody holds all the power. He can have multiple wives and he gets to make all these decisions because he's the head of the family. His wives can't have other husbands, even if they wanted to. If you have a plural relationship that all parties share equal power in, then that's great! This is not that.
EXACTLY.
This is why it should be legal, then all parties would have some kind of legal back up regarding medical issues and housing.
And the reason why people might get into poly relationships is usually quite different to what these polygamists families do it for.
In my fundie phase I already had heard of this but I took it as just another boogeyman and another potential consequence to allowing marriage equality, for the longest time I couldn’t tell the difference between a consensual poly relationship and an old fashioned polygamist family like the one featured in this show.
I'm polyamorous and I couldn't agree more! Just like monogamous relationships, polyamory can be done in healthy ways and in toxic ways. In order for any relationship to be healthy, all people involved need agency over their own lives and decisions.
Yeah there’s a difference between polyamory and polygamy. Polygamy is almost always gendered and hierarchical, and it mostly ends with viewing women as objects to collect as many of as you can.
Read Irene Spencer's book, "Shattered Dreams: My Life as a Polygamist's Wife" if you can find it. She was one of several wives of an FLDS community in Mexico and finally left polygamy. Men are supposed to have multiple wives so the children they have will be part of the husband's level in heaven. Her logical point was aren't the sons supposed to get married and build their own level of glory in heaven? Then how are they supposed to be part of their father's level? She write amazingly about the primitive conditions, the loneliness, the jealousy -- it was not a happy situation. It taught me so much about FLDS and the polygamy mindset. Great book.
I highly recommend "The Polygamists' daughter" By Anna Labaren it's a look at one of the lesser-known moron cults. Also fun fact Micheals's Appliance which is one of the places this cult got money from in Denver is now a Daycare center. I only know this because I grew up in Northwest Denver a few blocks away from this place.
Maybe that's why so many of them are part of pyramid schemes all over the world.....cause that's what their entire religion is 🤦♀️
Poly atheist here don't worry we know we're different from the fundies.
My relationship foundation is happiness and bettering each other's lives (we compliment each other) but we specifically also revolve around our bond over visual arts and creative expression. The three of us are talented and I'm so happy to share a life with such creative and challenging people. We all have a different preferred medium (block print, sequential art, and illustration) and we all have different artist's statements. It's nice that we all have our own voice within the same genre we're all so passionate about.
I smile every drive home and it's been like this several years now.
I usually keep it private because of the weirdos in poly dynamics but I feel comfortable talking about it atm.
The only episode I remember watching is the one about budgeting how much each wife got for their house. Meri was crying because it wasn't her fault she only had one kid. She wanted more kids.
Mary was so selfish about this
@@cynthiaevery2801 how was she selfish??
@@quills6978 I agree. It's not her fault she had fertility issues. So she's always supposed to settle for less because she has less kids than everyone else? THAT'S selfish of the other 3 wives in my opinion. She's been married to the jerk longer than anyone else. That alone should afford her an equal portion of everything that the others got for her home's budget!
@@Nille0212 although im not exactly a fan of any of them besides christine, it isn't like meris fertility was her fault and she didn't deserve to be treated like this. really none of them deserve the treatment they were given by surferboy wonder and just shows how much of a shithead he is to them even when it comes to things they literally cannot control
Christine is indeed, 100% our queen. A hilarious icon and I love that she’s speaking up against sir wanna be surfer from Wyoming 🙄😂
🏄♀️🏄♀️🏄♀️🏄♀️🏄♂️He’s a total wipeout! With all 4 of them. Lord, I would be humiliated broadcasting that I was married to this lummox!
Christine should consider making some delicious, sloppy a$& nachos on her cooking show :)
THIS
i'd eat the h3ll out of those!
😂
Oh Yea!!!
Word ! She better !
The pop of color in the inner eye was an excellent choice. Also I want that sweater. She’s working it.
🙋♀️I HAVE A REQUEST🙋♀️
Can you PLEASE do a Sister Wives Threequel .... since we learned that Kody lost his godly status in the celestial kingdom..... and 3 of his wives?! I am DYING to hear your thoughts on the recent revelations!!! Xoxo
Ps. Merry everything & happiest of new year wishes to you and James.
His hair is now the definition of business in the front, party in the back.
*failing business
@@rebeccamueller8790 💀💀💀
Kody is lucky he has such sweet, strong hearted kids! They got it from their mama's!♥️
Beautifully put!
Lmao ouch, "Mom is overweight and old". Can we just remind the kids that being in your 40s and even 50s is no longer "old" 😂
Pretty sure in their belief system, any woman no longer in her peak reproductive years is considered old. It’s like, humorous but terrible.
P.s. hi, julia! Im julia lol
To a kid his age it is.
I have three teenagers who love to remind me that I’m “old” at 51 and sometimes I really feel the truth to it even though I’m NOT old.
I'm 43 with a 20yr old and I have to tell him that I'm not as young as he feels like I am.. I'm actually older than a lot of his friend's parents are. He wants me to go clubbing with him and his girlfriend, Like double dating with his father and I. I'm glad I made him feel like I'm THAT COOL, but I'm really NOT. His father is even less cool than I am. We like to be in bed by 10 and in REM sleep by 11 and that's on the weekends. 😆 🤣
@@shewho333 I'M old. 87 this year. Lol.
Thank you for always telling us where your clothes are from! My girlfriend is plus size and has a similar fashion sense to you and your videos have given me so many ideas of where I can get clothes for them. Came for the fundie snark and am very satisfied, but also enjoying the added bonus!
As someone who just recently binged the last 12 seasons I missed in like a month… “I feel like I know merri better than my own family” is the truest statement I’ve ever heard. Subscribing
"We are not dividing love, we are multiplying it"
I'm not great at math but I see a lot of subtraction
I want Mary to leave him so bad 😭
She deserves someone that will love her and give her the attention she craves. I want her to live her best life
She clearly doesn’t want to tho….I’ve given up on Meri & Janelle seems fine with everything
Considering Mary recently took a passive aggressive jab at Christine on instagram, because god forbid she moved on, she isn't all that great of a human. She wants to be there.
I know she won’t leave him…just wishful thinking
I think Meri is a scummy person, so I feel slightly less bad for her that she's stuck with Kody.
“You’re not a surfer dude. You’re from Wyoming” would 1000% piss him off so much lmao
34:12 “I just think that God’s fine if I want to be happy”
- Christine👑long may she thrive
⬆️this is my new personal inner emotional-support inspo-poster slogan
I'm wondering if the family was fine till Cody decided he needed a 4th wife. The first three seemed like they'd all gotten married at the same time, built a family and grew together.
I don’t really think that’s the case. In the first season of the show, the wives talked about all of the problems they had, and the first 3 seemed a lot more hostile toward each other back then. They seemed to struggle more with jealousy and insecurity than they do now, and they mentioned quite a bit of bullying. It also kind of seemed like Meri introduced Robyn to their husband because she was lonely and being ostracized by the other 2 wives. Once Robyn joined the family, they had a new set of problems to focus on, and their old issues were kind of...forgotten, almost?
United by a common enemy?
Mary is the one that pushed kody to Robyn by introducing them with romantic intentions.
Glad to know I live in a country where it's illegal to marry more than one adult but it is perfectly legal to marry a child
it's super validating/slightly vindicating as an exmormon to hear someone else from the outside looking in to say "I hate the guy" in reference to Joseph Smith because sometimes I feel so alone in that living in Utah surrounded on all sides by active members. Gets rough sometimes.
My cat’s name is Joseph smith. He is neutered.
Check out Jordan and McKay - they are ex mormans, you might get some support over on their channel.
We love you Rachel!
Poor Christine. She's going through so much but she deserves so much better. I'm going to go watch her show to support her.
Sister wives’ 16 seasons has been like watching a python €at a pig - horrifying but you can’t look away.
Seeing the increase in production quality from 2019 to now is so heartwarming... Jen is a big-time RUclipsr now ❤
As a Las Vegas native I will say that Even though we’re “Sin City” there’s a lot of conservative people here and a HUGE mormon population. My middle school had a mormon temple so that students could go if needed.
Finding out that Mormons are part of the reason that city (through a fort) exists in the first place was one of the most surprising things I ever read, I thought it was the "Sin City" almost from the very beginning.
I loved this video. I wish all the best to Christine in her new life! For Kody to have abandoned Truly and Ysabel when they had medical issues is beyond terrible.
Wives out of his league: all except Robyn because those two deserve each other 😑
Christine always just seemed to be a good human, who just wanted the best for her family. Love how she is putting herself first finally. ❤️
Mary saying she felt like a bad mom for NOT KNOWING and not BECAUSE Mariah is a lesbian is the saddest and sweetest mom thing to say. I’m so proud of how Mary would up handling her coming out, especially given that Mariah is her only kid and I know how fundies are.
After hearing Christine say he decided they would no longer have sex and how sweet she seems and how BEAUTIFUL she is, my theory is this: Cody’s heart is not the only cold, shriveled up part of his anatomy and should probably see his doctor about that *ALLEGEDLY*
Cody has reached an age where many men have trouble satisfying ONE wife, let alone multiple wives.
I love you 😂 and I bet you’re right.
@@maggiekarabel123 😂 aw thanks!
Lmao!
I love how much shade Jen throws at Robin in this video
This was grand, especially when I realized our host wasn’t actually naked except for a big white collar.
I thought the same and was confused 😂
@@mooney9046 I’m glad it wasn’t just me. 😄
Right?! I was like “wow, Jen! Your cleavage looks amazing!” 🤣
Lol me three 🤣
I was wondering for quite awhile!
I love the “what does the nanny do” quote. It’s taken so out of context but it says what we’re all thinking.
I just found your channel and I freakin' love you! Sister Wives is a fun show to watch. When my ex cheated on me he was like "well you like that sister wives shit, why can't I just have you both?" Truly a Kody mentality. Absolutely buckwild.
Christine is definitely everyone's fav, how can you not love her? She somehow preserved her personality amidst the all the BS
Seriously. She’s been my favorite out of them for years.
The Mormon Church has denied that Joseph Smith was a polygamist? Dang, that's on the level of Stalin and Putin in terms of attempting to rewrite literal history.
It honestly goes with Joseph Smith who literally rewrote history with his book and lies ....to quote south Park 🎶 dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb 🎶
If you ever get a chance, the CES Letters (might be on Audible as one of the free selections still if you trial it) goes through the various things the LDS Church has gone to great lengths to bury in their history. It's an interesting read.
@@pansprayers never been Mormon but I’ve heard plenty of things about that document including some people’s faith breaking apart after they read it (kind of like reading from people who stopped believing after reading the Bible in its entirety).
@@monus782 I don't honestly see how any reasonably sane individual could read the bible and BELIEVE any of it. So much evil and so many contradictions. That is one of my pet peeves about most anything though, when a book, movie or TV show get things out of sequence or contradict what was previously stated.
@@randibgood while I was still in I tried to read the text in its entirety but there were some parts where I'd stop reading not so much because of the questionable content (like what is featured in Joshua and Judges for example) but because I'd wonder if those events really did happen, that's how much of a fundie I was and I always tried to follow given commentaries but they didn't always help (I was even distrustful of more recent translations because of the scholarship so I was close to being the equivalent of a KJV Only fundie).
What ended up collapsing my faith in Christianity altogether was not the Bible itself but rejecting church doctrines attributed to it (after reading doctrinal documents my church has churned out through the centuries) and they were mainly the Fall of Adam and Original Sin (which is ironic as the latter is never mentioned explicitly like the Trinity) while figuring out that without them most of the theology makes no sense, in this regard I feel that I had my own equivalent to reading the CES Letter.
I admit that some parts of the book are fascinating but after reading the genocidal parts I figured that it's not something I'd want to get my morals from after all, but again it got much easier to read through the text after I left and when the cognitive dissonance was gone.
“Wow. That sure was awkward. I’m really glad that I’m not sealed to this man, and don’t have to spend eternity with him and uhhh- a bunch of other women that hate me. That sure would be unfortunate.” -my new mantra
39:15 and Robyn seems to want an unattainable life where she is both a sisterwife and yet the only wife" is so friggin true, that is literally the entire show lol. She's too pure to move in when she's not married but slept with him before they married, hypocritical much?
Friend. The set up. The lighting. The sweater. The makeup. All of it is absolutely fabulous.
Jen I had to listen only, watching made me covet your sweater like an aging polygamist covets an additional wife! 🕸💕
I have been dying for the sweater this entire episode!
Joseph Smith had actually been secretly practicing polygamy for over 10 years before he received this “revelation” in 1843 which was pretty much just to sway his first wife Emma into supporting his polygamy, telling her she would be condemned in heaven if she didn’t allow it. By the time he recorded this plural marriage “revelation” in 1843, he had already spiritually married over a dozen women in secret. He spiritually married or “sealed” himself to over 30 women total, one as young as 14 years old. I grew up in mainstream Mormonism and never knew Joseph Smith was even a polygamist, let alone married over 30 women, some underage at the time. The Church doesn’t teach it’s members even a shred of truth about its own history. Don’t even get me started on the rock and the hat….
please get started on the rock and the hat....
Please explain the rock and the hat oh my goodness
So! The rock and the hat. It has to do with how Joseph Smith claimed he translated the Book of Mormon. He said that he was led to a hill by God and found gold plates buried in this hill - the Book of Mormon, but it wasn’t in English obviously. The church now portrays that Joseph would use a friend as his scribe to write for him as he translated this ancient text - and that he gained these new magical translating powers with the help of the Spirit. There is no proof he ever actually found gold plates, obviously. There are witness testimonies that the church uses to back up their claims that other people like friends of Joseph saw the gold plates so the plates must be real - but they actually said they saw them with their “spiritual eye” not really in person. He claimed later that God took the plates off the earth after he was done with translating the Book of Mormon -how convenient! Nothing to prove they ever existed.
Basically, the church portrays that he had these gold plates on a table, with a cloth separating him from his scribe (they were too “sacred” for most people to even see) and he would read the ancient text on these plates and word for word translate in English out loud and his scribe would write down his translation - thus, the Book of Mormon.
But, how he ACTUALLY claimed to translate is just plain weird and the church continues to try to cover it up with a better sounding story. He claimed he would put a plain rock into a hat, and stick his head into the hat, and he claimed that the words from the plates would appear on rock, magically. There were times that these plates wouldn’t even be in the room when he was translating - after all, why would he even need the plates in the first place if he used a rock inside a hat to have to translate?
It’s weird, basically - and if members of the church knew the actual history of what witnesses said and what Joseph Smith claimed instead of what the church tries to portray, I don’t think there would be as many Mormons as there are now. Also, the Book of Mormon is very long and the gold plates would have been too heavy for him to carry himself. It’s just silly. He was a weird dude and the church tries to make him sound like Jesus.
I’d like to add, if y’all watch South Park, I suggest watching their “All about Mormons” episode it’s a fucking riot.
@@bails888 🎼dum dum dum dum dum!🎶🎵
Hi Jen! I'm a library science student and as such I need practice formatting bibliographies, etc. I'm wondering if you would like someone to assemble your video sources into a standard bibliography format. It's win/win-- you get citations and I get to practice with content I'm interested in :) Either going forward, or even through your previous uploads. Let me know if you're interested :) I adore your content-- you make learning about other people's imaginary friend with anger issues fun!
There are a lot of Christians who are fans of this channel. Calling God their angry imaginary friend is pretty disrespectful.
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@@mooney9046I don't believe that God is vengeful. I believe that God is kindness. I think depicting Him as angry is a bastardization of the Christian message. I take much offense to God being used to justify hate, and have a hard time teaching myself about them. Fundie Friday's videos let me learn more about these beliefs in a way that I don't spin-out in my own head.
@Triskaidekapho13ic try doing the mature thing and avoid or don't interact with things that make you angry. It'll make your life much more enjoyable 👍. OP wasn't inciting violence towards you so you engaging is only going to continue with a topic that upsets you. If it upsets you, then leave 🤷♀️ you're the one with a problem here.
This is such a good idea because she does actually great research and as an anthropology student I would love to be able to cite these videos in super specific papers about religion
To be fair, I’m pretty sure Robyn is the only one that has a real relationship with Kody and Kody is probably only really attentive to her kids. So she’s not getting shorted anything.
Cody has a motivation to have more than one wife: sex. As he said, he feels loved all the time.