Uber/Lyft Leaving Minneapolis, Trip Radar & Verify ID ON Crossfire
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2024
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I WILL NEVER WORK FOR MINIMUM WAGE! Why should I spend 15 to 30k on a tool (car) to work for minimum wage? Drivers should get at least $35. an hour, plus mileage.
First, you shouldn't spend more than $5-7k for a car for rideshare. Second, fares should reflect varied cost of living prices depending on the area. If drivers are guaranteed $35/hour, the market will be swamped and you won't get many rides. Use your brain.
Bingo!
I think realistically we should expect to make no less than $25 hour! Less than that is unprofitable!!
30k ? My car is an Infiniti =$60k
@@doloresbaltierra447 I hope you’re doing black with that along with private clients or else it’s a waste of money and time doing apps
I already drove a taxi in Orlando where the city decides what's a fair rate. The drivers are all independent contractors. Right now the going rate is $2.80 a mile and $31.00/ hour waiting time.
I drove cab in Arizona and it was $2.25 mile and $35 a hour with delays
Harry's model is drive more make less. Harry has no clue. You can tell he hasn't driven in years🤣🤦🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
He seems to side more with Lyft/Uber companies....
Yep i am sure he is gettng some money from this 2 greedy companies @1ssanjay
Right and only Ants 🐜 agree with Harry.
Because Harry is very soft on interviewing both Risher and Dana. He needs to get out of his ass!!
Weak men, is all it comes to. Thats the problem with society right now.
If traditional taxi drivers are paid by mile and mins,¿why not Uber and Lyft drivers? They are "taxis" too.
I agree with you Sergio! I hate trip radar, it’s not safe. It’s a distraction and unsafe for drivers.
We don’t have that crap in NYC. Problem with Uber we can’t see destination or route or else I would decline all garbage calls
Harry still clowning for gigs companies
It makes sense now, Dara, Risher and now Harry complete the 3 Stooges of RideShare 😂😂
Bye-Bye Uber & Lyft...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of Minneapolis!!!
Right. Let all states do this. Who will they run too? Nowhere, their business will close. Great new taxi companies will take your place good riddens, manipulative jerks.
Until you can negotiate the fare with the rider, your an employee getting taxed as an independent contractor. Harry seems more nonchalant to the plight as if drivers are complaining for no reason. Eventually the issues were going to surface thats usually how escalation works.
Get real Harry! If I reject a trip in trip radar, it has no business reappearing again with a lower rate. I never will do Uber Eats, I had to call them and request it be removed from my filters. It kept saying outside your preference more than ride request. Annoying
Interesting the guy who is against customer uploading IDs is the the person who is no longer working as a driver?
Unfortunately, driver violence is getting bad and protecting the drivers needs to be the highest priority. Drivers have been beaten and killed and uploading IDs will definitley get rid of the bad apples that commit crimes on the platform.
Several ways to fix trip radar: 1) ability to turn off/opt out 2) only on when not driving 3) Copy Lyft’s trip radar 4) ability to turn off the sound notifications 5) limit the number of trip notifications - in busy times I get like 10/minute. You cannot even turn off accepting rides 7) best option get rid of this POS.
i agree with all of this, and ill add no reason to offer me rides over 3 miles away. most of the ones i get are well over 10 miles for a pickup. sadly, many of those rides are decent rides if i was less than 3 miles away but not worth it when its 14 miles away for a 5 mile ride even if it is paying $18 for it.
We already need a cap on drivers across the vast majority of markets, so Harry is right that we would need to cap the number of drivers if pay was increased. (Cities always capped the # of taxis too due to oversaturation because of low barriers to entry.)
yes. i think drivers that log in 10 hours or more, and been active over 4 years should be grandfathered in, and those that do under 10 hours a week average should be on a wait list like they do with door dash. or something along those lines.
Agree with Harry on point 1. Independent contractor status is non negotiable for Uber and Lyft, and me as a driver
But we should be treated like real independent contractors. The way things are now we do not have a real independent contractor/broker relationship
@@teslamike1990 don’t we though? We choose when and if we want to work, and whether or not to accept a ride. I get that money is not what it used to be. However that is because supply of drivers exceeds demand.
@@irfanhusein1445 No this is not a real independent contractor/broker relationship. A real independent contractor tells a broker what their fee is and at least minimum negotiate on pay for every ride for example. Uber/Lyft is literally setting the tone just like we were employees like a employer employee business model. Businesses like McDonald's don't go to their meat supplier and say I'm only going to pay you this much money for this much beef take it or leave it. That's not the real world. There's negotiation with anything or the beef supplier charges McDonald's the same as they charge everybody else. McDonald's does not control their pricing. The same thing here. These companies are controlling both sides of the market. They control driver pay indirectly with this take it or leave it mentality that is so low that it doesn't even cover true profit while controlling their own profit margin because they're controlling the final price that the customer pays. These customers are supposed to be our customers! They write an hour car with our operating cost! Also these companies are they're lying about commercial car insurance overcharging everybody and they're lying about their take rate. These companies are scum! I've been professional in this industry before these companies and I know what this industry is worth. We all should be making middle class wage not poverty! when things were good for me before these companies unlawfully monopolize the industry because of them breaking all these laws I used to make between $50 an hour on the low end and $150 an hour on the high end. That's what we should all be making in 2024. When I was making that money that was 10 years ago. These companies are utterly disgusting! All the corporate greed, stealing tips. The money they stole for me that I just got back recently and everything else in between! Also California had already seen what they're doing and already told them you have to make everybody employees because they're not treating us like true independent contractors. These companies ran a campaign called prop 22 and lied to everybody about what it was making it sound so amazing.. Gold on shit but at the end of the day it was still shit. Basically prop 22 was passed under false pretenses and it stripped us all of our independent contractor rights and allowed these companies to break the law legally. It is now back at the Senate to be re-reviewed and hopefully be repealed as a constitutional law because it is unconstitutional law that tries to supersede California law that protects independent contractors.
@@teslamike1990real independent contractors set their price,if Uber set the rates and prices,then you are NOT a contractor, as long as Uber provides the app and prices,they are employers.
@@JasRog1026 I 100% agree!
Trip Radar Problems:
(1) Uber uses it to give you (radar) pings that are "outside your preferences."
- If I have deliveries off, I don't want deliveries.
- If I have X off, I don't want X pings.
- If I have a destination set, I don't want pings going the other way.
(2) Uber subsequently directly pings you with trips you explicitly declined in radar.
- If I declined it in trip rader, I don't want it.
I see harry strategy to win the debate is to interrupt every sentence you make😂
Sergio does the same, he also does it to Chris on SMTMC 😄
I'd be totally ok with "independent contractor" status for gig-app workers being enshrined in the law. But only if it very clearly defines all the requirements with zero wiggle room for the gig-companies to play games.
At a minimum:
(1) Gig workers must be able to set their own pay rates. $/mile, $/min for ride time, $/min for wait time, minimum fare, cancel fee, deadhead return surcharge if trip is over X miles, etc. Gig-app workers must be able to update/change their rates at anytime.
(2) Trip offers must fully and clearly disclose the trip details. Pickup, dropoff, estimated time/miles/pay, etc.
(3) Gig-workers must get a minimum of 60 seconds to decide.
(4) Full financial disclosure to everyone involved in every transaction. Driver, rider/customer, restaurant, etc. Everyone involved gets a full disclosure accounting for every penny of the transaction.
Absolutely!
My addition to #2 number of passengers must be agreed to in advance. No more clown car rides. Additional passengers are charged more for each one.
I don't have a big suv or van and can NOT safely do more than two passengers with luggage.
@@thewidowwindwalker Agree! Excellent points!
Minute 31:33
Harry, repositioning is lowest on my list for driving away after a ride. If you drop off in a sketchy area, stopping makes you a target for robbery/carjacking, if you are in an affluent area and you just stop and wait around you'll be dealing with the cops and that can be bad as well. Unless you drop off near a public parking lot, stopping is a no-go strategy.
Everyone keeps saying Let's raise driver's pay. How about restoring my pay to what it was when I started in 2017...... Instead of 5 pay cuts. I should've had 5 raises In the last six years.... WTF !!!
Totally agree! We are the only ones who get a pay cut every year instead of a pay raise. Seems pretty shitty to me.
Harry: "When I'm a passenger and get dropped off the driver drives off"
Also Harry: "When I was a driver, after I dropped someone off, I drove off"
The single best way to limit drivers exists in Massachusetts. Each state needs to adopt a state background check, which follows the company background check.
No harry. If you use an account with Uber and Lyft the passenger should upload a verified 🆔. Any passenger that has a 4.7 or lower should not be able to use the platform.
Trip radar has to go. So unsafe, not useful, and predatory on new drivers who don't understand the business. But the safety factor is number one for drivers. Uber doesn't care about that because any accidents that happen during these onslaughts of trip radars are not covered under Uber's insurance policy. So they don't care if it's dangerous for the driver because they are not on the hook. Sad story.
Uber and Lyft will 100% fight against drivers cap. That's why we need government intervention - like New York city.
If you can't turn off trip radar, they are pushing it on you. Period.
Point 2 all Riders should be verified by ID in the beginning of the registration for new ones and for existing ones, one time ID scan and then after that, facial recognition randomly for riders before ride starts not every ride obviously but every now and then just like they do with drivers, sometimes app requires me to scan my face as driver same can be done with riders
In my market, New Orleans, trip radar goes off while I have a rider in the car. I have to read the data while I’m driving someone around, after I drop them off I’m going to my next ride. I already have my next ride. Is it not that way in other markets?
The funny part is people forgot how much they paid for taxis.2:50 for a mile.
30:20
Sergio: "Extend the time to 30 seconds"
Harry: "What would that do?"
JHFC. If that doesn't prove Harry hasn't driven in years, nothing does.
What I hate the most is when Im about to complete a ride and im looking to see where im dropping them off or making a turn and then a trip radar comes in and blocks my screen where I cant see the turn. Its almost strategic where im almost forced to click it so it goes away. Trip radar pricing is disgusting. Government incvolvment should be for keep drivers protected to fairness. U/L are trying their best to be more greedy at the cost of the driver. This is eventually going to change someday when they wake up. They can make more consistent money and less litigation if they stop the tricks and make a standard across the board. If its standard more drivers are accepting more if not every ride which increases the frequency. They cant possibly have frequency data because they arent standarizing it across the board. In order to get real numbers and keep government way out of the situation is be more like the taxi company standarize it across the board at least for 3 months and then see the profits and revenue. Watch it increase and watch the amount of litigation decrease as well. It will change the dynamic of the company. It will change the relationship between driver and the platform. There is a magic formula but they are both avoiding it because of short term major revenue boosts, with tricks and tactics. Harry works on a model that everyones life is perfect and nothing should be frustrating. Harry needs to put himself in a struggling situation and then experience the frustration of trip radar. What trip radar is doing is collecting data of the amount of drivers accepting crappy trips. The data that concludes that there is a desperate demographic then they know how to change the prices. This is a quicker way to get results, very smart on both U/L. In the long run not smart. Because the 1st company that makes the switch will win the first company to really make a power play to drivers will knock out the competition. Its only a matter of time who will standardize price and pull drivers to that platform. I personally moved to lyft the moment Uber pulled the Beyonce scam with surges before that I never drove for Lyft sonI was generally only making Uber money but now i do both and that was the cause of Ubers tactics. Harry doesnt understand he is not in the majority mind set.
I agree.
I am new at this but agree with Harry on everything. NZ
@@jacquethomson4998 you must be his wife.
Definitely worth watching. #1-I'm an optimist and I don't think they will leave Minneapolis. However, I agreed with what Harry said on this issue. I have to give it a draw though #2. Rider verification: if it has to be gradual or it takes longer, you have to do it. I have to go with Sergio on this. #3 Trip Radar: I've found some decent rides on trip radar, but I don't like how it's done. I accept all regular rides, but it's different with Trip Radar for a few reasons. One of them is I can accept it and not get it. If you're looking for rides that are $35-$40 an hour, you're going to think that something at $25 an hour is garbage. It's garbage maybe to you, but that doesn't make it garbage to everyone. It is subjective. I'll go with Sergio on this and he wins 2-0, but I love hearing Harry on these topics because he has a very different perspective that is not just from a driver's viewpoint. (I do too) Thanks.
Thanks buddy, I took it easy on him with easier subjects
Round 1 - 👍Harry, Round 2 - 👍Sergio, Round 3 - 👍Tie
Wow, come on 😂
Hate trip radar. Extra time to think of accepting a ride will definitely help! Try getting a request radar or not while you're driving fast, dealing with traffic or taking care of your passenger. You give me more information, then give me more time to decide. Instead, you pile radar, regular, exclusive requests and pressure me into deciding NOW! It's bad. Don't stack them. Don't send them one on top of another. Don't send them while I'm driving fast.
Harry always sticks up for Uber & Lyft never for the drivers even tho the pay rate has going down ever year Harry has now clue
This guy is a robot programmed by Uber engineers to spit out bs….this harry guy has no soul im starting to think that bottle is filled with strong vodka or gin
They’re not gonna leave because all of the Medicaid and Medicare patients they use Uber and Lyft once they look at the paperwork they see that they’ve been getting double billed by both of them lawsuit
Harry hasn't driven in years and has no clue what he is talking about. Sergio crushed him like a ant. 🤷
Bottom line is that minimum wage or not the legislator just needs to define rideshare contracted labor in a matter that gives us more of the money then Uber and left steal from us
Las Vegas drivers are now getting 28% of the upfront fee drivers are charged.
In SF normally you have a higher chance for a trip request in a commercial corridor so when I drop a passenger in a residential neighborhood I will drive towards the closest commercial corridor. There are some hot spots where you will be competing with multiple drivers that might be parking, so I prefer to be on the move to get a mix of residents and visitors. In SF Trip Radar is still the exception to the rule.
Gov Walz of MN should give MNPLS drivers an interim pay raise of $1.20/mile while waiting for final decision, then adjustment can be made up or down later.
Short distance drivers already get $1-$2/mile, so not a very big raise, could even be a cut for short miler drivers.
As far as that number it needs to also be congruent with the market. Some markets can and should handle paying more and as opposed to others. There needs to be a floor that makes sense across the board for sure. Also there should be a cap on the amount of drivers to ensure balance.
ID is important especially when it comes to Uber deliveries with specifically medical Drugs and Alcohol. Instead of scanning ID upon delivery Uber has this info in the system. Once a delivery is done a drivers just gets the customer to sign electronically on the device. I think it saves time for the driver especially now that Uber is offering Pennie’s to drivers.
in my market $1 mile $0.5 min plus $0.50mile pickup
We don't have verify here in west coast of florida.. and they had uber teen and then it was removed cause of regulations issues with the city
For trip radar, it’s great if you do it Harry style, pay deadhead miles at same rate to pickup passenger for all cars in the area. Then via Harry style, let the customer decide.
Riders can Choose to pay the extra Deadhead miles or wait till some driver happens to cruise by their area.
Obviously trip radar occurs because the rider can’t get a driver to accept their ride for whatever reason.
This is basic economic philosophy and principles.
It all boils down to pay - drivers wouldn't care about all of the ride details (length, destination, rating, etc) if we were already confident that we were being well compensated! I would further suggest that Uber allow riders the option to pre-tip and show it in the fare, to increase both the rate and speed of acceptance of trips by drivers.
Harry makes many good points. I like the idea of an option to the rider to upload an ID. It’s simple. If the best drivers get picky and don’t pick up the unverified riders, then the market will work itself.
Fingerprinting drivers is one way of keeping driver saturation down.
I have a story for you guys hertz has been double charging for the weekly rental under the Uber program. Sometimes they charge twice for the same week at the end of the contract one of the week disappeared but I was charged in my bank account the biggest was $1,164.94
There are many moving parts here. You need to professionalize the driver profession and require licensing and certification since you are transporting individuals and you should be prepared to do. Gig economy has become the amateur, part-time economy and Uber/Lyft love it because you have unlimited supply of uncertified drivers. The bar should be low to entry but there should be a low bar. In addition, you need to assess how much income premium should a driver earn. For example, you own the vehicle and that vehicle has a government mileage reduction on of $0.67… what’s the fair upcharge here? Should driver make 6-figures driving 40-hours a week? That’s the issue here… drivers were used to making a crazy amount of money a few years ago and driving as a profession shouldn’t be a six-figure job but most don’t want any cap and want minimums and want endless revenue. The reason why ridesharing is so popular it’s because it’s affordable compared to taxi service. Here you need to start with rider cost and back into fair shares for Uber/Lyft for providing the marketplace and the driver for delivering the services. This needs to be studied.
trip radar isnt all "where trips go to die" because ive seen some trips on there that def would not be something anyone would decline. sometimes its preloaded as the passenger is submitting information on their end and it predispatches it out, sometimes it pops up then sends it as a regular ride right after.
I am for contractor option. They say they are IT companies, let them be. Drivers set price. And we had that experience, for short time before prop 22. Drivers responsible for insurance. Just pay us what we deserve. DRIVER ARE NOT MINIMUM VAGE JOB!!! As truck drivers are not… BTW, truckers, being contractors, are unionized. Why can’t we? We are getting more organized, but the employee option is a dangerous path. Also, I am sure we need to start thinking about self driving cars. Musk said robotaxi will be available till end of this year. Driver’s should NOT be left behind…
Harry makes a good point on caps.
btw the my market is $0.90/KM Uberx. $0.16/min wait time with wait time capped at 5 min. Price of gas $1.60/Liter . Last time I drove I was active for only about 1/2 of my online time driving about 10 minutes to every pick and making about $7-8 per trip without a tip. From the time I drop off one customer till my next ride request can be 20 min -3 hours depending on the day obviously yes its a smaller market but with no caps on the number of drivers online its a lose lose game for every driver in my market.
Wow, Harry got 10 likes, but they are all named Dara or DK. 😅😂😅
🤣🤣🤣
I think you'll finally realize that Harry gets paid for his negative attitude towards drivers!
The taxi mile is 2.50 for Rideshare it should be the same or little less like 2 dollars drivers are paying commercial insurance already.
trip radar at this point needs to go. dont get me wrong, ive gotten some good rides off radar, but they need to tone it down. its annoying AF. id like to at the least see it toned down a lot, it needs to stop throwing rides that are more than 4 miles away (most of them are well over 10 miles away).
70% BEFORE EXPENSES. It used to be 70% after expenses
Upload your ID when you create your account for a verified passenger status, then give them a lower rate! No verify? Add an unverified passenger premium. Allow the driver to filter based on verification and passenger ratings and tipping. If they never tip, we should know this.
I'm not too much on board on what Harry is saying. It seems Sergio is more realistic.
I think they should be identification for all riders for Uber and Lyft. You don't have to do it every time. Once they pass they'll have a check mark and they should be okay. Because right now the customer knows more about us than we do about them and that is very spooky at times..
Pay needs to be regulated.
Even if passengers have to provide licenses, the actual passenger might be using another account
I love Harry I would LOVE him to flip my burger!!
Any pay laws need linked to an economic metric like inflation. That why we only need the law once.
How about drivers who agree to get fingerprinted, get paid.25 cents more an hour. Perhaps passengers also pay a little bit of a premium, Harry style, more choices.
Lyft pay 69c a mile in northern va
Here is the crux. I understand the drivers want more, but Lyft and Uber don't want to pay more. So leaving the twin cities. Well end of employment there, and there is something no one else talks about.....I know many people who totally depend on these ride share services to get to work. Metro for many has become an unsafe method for people, due homeless drug abuse, theft, sleeping and other problems that Metro has been unable to solve. Uber and Lyft are leaving their customers out in the cold. And a problem..... How's do I get to work?
Riders should have a background check just like drivers do. Though I also think that drivers should get drug tested.. I’ve heard some crazy stories from my passengers about their experiences as well.
Destination filter.. wow. You get 2 in Orlando. You set it, then you get 3 trips that start in front of you and go miles in the opposite direction, you deny them, they place you offline and take away your destination filter. Wow.
i think all markets get 2, and its idiotic. i live SE from the vegas strip, and ill get rides that go straight south, or north, or north east. its dropping me off more miles away from home than if i just went home empty.
If they pay a fair fare there will be less trip radar! Pay the drivers!
Point 1 no minimum wage I want to stay independent contractor as far as pay goes between what we have now and $1,5 meet us in the middle
I think both will leave
Harry is right about a driver cap but that's the last thing Uber wants. They want to market saturated so they can make maximum profits while riders wait the minimum amount of time for a ride. They do not care about drivers in the least.
I'm still making 39hr on the weekends. If I dropped to 20-25hr I'd just go back to my old job lol
Well, if in the country they pay trips with cash, they should verify ID.
At least Trip Radar doesn't flash like a regular trip.
"veteran" Harry doesn't know how Lyft handles trip radar.
I used to ask my passengers how long do they think U/L gives the driver to accept a trip and they guessed 10-15 seconds zero times.
The government and unions have to get involved because other wise this companies are gonna continue abusing drivers and avoiding to pay their taxes to every state and the government. Their are taxi regulations and rules and Uber and Lyft don't to respect them.
Why does Harry advocate more for Uber/Lyft than drivers?
BOTTOM LINE: Drivers were happy going out and making descent money. That has changed. Factors are lower rates (PAX likely pays more than before), Dead time/miles (U can make $50/HR but when all figure in you could be well below MIN wage). If we don't do low rate jobs then the price will go up!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't select low rate jobs!!! Example: $5 taking roughly 15 minutes means you're at $20/HR or roughly $12/HR after cost to operate your car and dead/miles/time!
They will just use another persons account, then we will get pegged for cancelling the ride when sally turns out to look like harry.
1.40 a mile and .51 cents a minute is akin to what taxi's make today. If anything it low.
Actually taxis make double that
@@sergioSMTMC1 Right, they make like 3.50 to 4.00 a mile. What the driver gets is dependent on the split the specific taxi company sets. Municipalities set the rates. Not the companies.
SERGIO AGAIN FOR THE WIN!!!
Perhaps I'm in the minority but I think the whole ID thing is a red herring and reeks of security theatre. I trust my own Spidey senses way more than some verified rider badge which could easily be stolen or hacked. Rideshare is already much safer than driving a taxi cab where you're literally picking up random people who flag you down on street and pay with cash.
get ride of trip radar
15:46 Riders should have to pass background checks 100% Driver safety is just as paramount as rider safety. Currently users can set up an account with gift cards and fake names and do unspeakable things to drivers and their property which Uber doesn't compensate enough for in the first place if I as a driver am expected to maintain a vehicle less than 10 years old I want to make 100% sure the rider is someone I can trust.
We should be regulated just like the taxis and get the same pay as taxi drivers! There's no reason why independent contractors of our caliber with all the risk should be making minimum wage and or less than minimum wage and or 120% of minimum wage! We should be paid fairly based off of mileage and or minutes (traffic delay for / wait time) just like the taxis!
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I don't think he's saying to verify every single time you need to verify when you sign up once you're verified you're verified you don't have to keep uploading for every ride they want to know who I am but I don't get to see a picture or anything driving in Upstate New York I see nothing about these Riders other than their passenger rating no pictures nothing now Lyft I get to see pictures but now they put in a thing on a passenger's app where they have to turn it on in order for a driver to see a picture of them half the time they'll order a ride for somebody else and they won't even say that it's a guest ride I don't know do you get paid more when it's a guest ride I have no idea does it charge them more I have no idea but they need to start putting guest ride if it's not them taking the trip
Harry must be in Uber and Lyfts back pocket to be on their side over exploited drivers. The status quo is unacceptable for drivers. Riders should pass backround checks too and have a profile picture for drivers to verify the correct customer is getting in the car. Drivers need to make fair wages lets be clear the a fair rate should be Whatever the price of gas is x1.5 per mile/km
Please stop calling it “minimum wage” - we aren’t wage earners, not employees. Call it a “minimum rate” as in rate card. And this should be for UberX, with increased rates on the card for Comfort, XL (6-passengers), XL+ (7-passengers), Premium, Black, etc.
I say kick Uber and Lyft out if they aren’t gonna be reasonsble and bring back taxi service but with better rules than before. Europe has banned Uber in many cities. And restricted them in others. Taxi drivers didn’t get screwed.
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Harry sucks
Many times Uber riders so called name is Mr P or Mr X Y or Z is it the right identification only Uber knows who the damn rider is and not driver.
I used to like Harry
The best drivers..