Is There Life After Death?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Is there {life after death}? A woman who recently lost her father has had several experiences since his passing that suggest this is true. She asks Rupert to talk about [what happens when we die.]
Rupert says: ‘If the body is the image of a localisation of consciousness, then, when the body dies, consciousness de-localises and goes back to itself. But it doesn’t go back to itself in one go. Just as it takes time for consciousness to localise as a body, it takes time for consciousness to de-localise. There may be an interim period, a kind of dream state, that takes place after the so-called death of the body and before going back to infinite consciousness.
‘So, yes, I do think that your father’s mind may continue unravelling in a way that is consistent with whatever its activity was during his life. But his being will remain where it always is - in your heart, as your being. During his lifetime you knew his being as your being. That is the experience of love that you felt with him, and nothing has changed in that experience now.’
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Timestamps:
0:00 Is There Life After Death?
1:04 Do We Know When We Are Dying?
2:24 What Is Our Experience of Dying?
3:57 The So-Called Moment of Death
5:34 Consciousness De-localised
6:41 Shared Being
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I was told in a NDE that I was never born and I never die. I was simply isness. I exist in multiple dimensions and experience the one I choose to focus on . When I went into a NDE I had overwhelming and magnificent feeling of coming home and knowing everything. It was as if I had been trapped at bottom of dark well and burst out into glorious sunshine.
Who told? As you mentioned I was told😊
Wow that is so interesting. Many people see public figures and random stuff in NDE but it seems you were blessed with feeling your true nature.
Interesting
What is your opinion about loved ones who die, can we talk to them or are they just one of the collective incarnations of our Godself and we just have a false sense of self when we are in an incarnation? I have been shaken up by this question I've been asking myself because my best friend died a few months ago and since I had this thought that we are not separate and maybe we are the same energy and not a separate being...I am so confused
He doesn't know. He has his idea of what happens, but doesn't know for sure, as all of us. The power and humbleness of "I don't know" still works. 🎉❤
Journey of Souls & Destiny of Souls - Michael Newton :)
I agree. I would have preferred a simple "I don't know" and then jumped right to the end where he made that lovely connection between her beingness and her father's beingness.
@@MarkusMutscheller Yes, I agree. After the "I don't know" in other words, proposing this or that, he came out with a beautiful conclusion that is true, logical and obvious: That the "being" of the girl's father will be always the one she had during her life. She will keep this love forever she lives. Unfortunately, despite all the efforts, technology, philosophies, we only have different theories about what happens after we die. Well, there's only two options: 1 - There's nothing after death. In this case we won't know it, because the instrument of perception, of awerenes is dead, and you can't measure a tool using the same tool, it's like an eye trying to see itself. When we are, there's no death, and when there's death, we are no more. 2 - There is awerenes after death. Well, in this case, it's beyond any knowledge of the living person. It's trying to guess what's happening beyond a wall. Only those who went can know, OR someone, some powerful being could tell or show it to a living person. Even if someone has attained this knowledge from a powerful being, he can only describe, and we, all the rest can only believe him or not. There's only a true way to know what's beyond death, it's dying. The rest are just theories or beliefs. 🙏👍💥
@@DihelsonMendonca I agree
I think he mostly told her what she wanted to hear without being unkind.
Most people want to believe that their loved ones are hanging out in heaven because it eases their mind .
Bizarre how we need to know. Our mind just can’t accept the unknown. I think we just want someone to tell us what we want to hear so we can feel peace.
its not even bizarre at all.
Listen to Krishnamurti... He talks a lot about this idea of always need to be assured, always be taught anything. 🎉❤
@@DihelsonMendonca well thats one thing... but its not bizarre how we want or need to know, thats totally normal for almost every human being. Krishnamurti talks about that we have the knowing within ourselves and dont need others.. thats it.
Indeed
I didn't love Rupert's answer to this question, though I don't disagree with his answer. I doubt that it was much comfort to the young lady. To the young lady: You said your father had been manifesting to you in some ways after his death. There is your answer. If you haven't already, listen to NDE experiences. There are thousands of them available. I think you would find them enlightening and comforting.
Agreed. The critical data to understand in order to grasp what we are learning from NDE research lies in Veridical NDE research, where details of non-local, unembodied consciousness clearly continues, inclusive of observations and interactions which occur during cardiac and brain death, only to form new and accurate memories of events while 'dead' after being resuscitated, meticulously verified by those present. Further, accounts of loved one's communicating either directly or through some form of synchronous events are legion.
Absolutely! There is life after death, and reincarnation is a real thing! Between lifetimes people are allowed to rest and recuperate in more heavenly dimensions. I always wondered why traditional Non duality teachers dont receive revelations about this....probably bec its not in the scriptures, but, all scriptures have been hijacked and a lot of truth was either left outout or changed intentionally by the elites of former times bec if people only live once "and then go back to consciousness" its so much easier to keep them in fear to be able to continue to opress them! Much Love!
That's because he didn't answer it at all. I got nothing from that response to that Q, it was useless for me at least.
Near Death Experiences show that there is still a localized aspect of consciousness after death, and while the transition is seamless, you do actually realize that your body died, because you will be viewing it from a different perspective. Not to mention, "souls" go through some type of life review as well.
All NDE are different. People say so many different things...
@@DihelsonMendonca NDEs are very similar. I have heard many of them.
@@PeterS123101 They depend on personal beliefs. Here on RUclips there are several channels all dedicated to cases of NDE. Thousands of them. Watch those videos, and listen to what people say. They see things according most to what they believe in life. For example, some are personally received by Jesus himself, some, by his family, some by Buddha, some even by ETs... And so on... How to believe that ???
Nde are interesting for sure but it is still an experience. It's not actually death, which the body does not come back from.
@@michaelwilmshurst3663 I tend to agree with you. Although NDE is the nearest form we can be to death, nothing guarantee that it's really death. There are several scientists saying that the brain doesn't die instantly after death, and it may take several hours or even days to the brain die completely. So it could still hallucinate. Or, perhaps we possess some hidden paranormal energy which is released when the brain is deep threatened, and the "consciousness" or awareness could see the 3d world from other coordinates. It doesn't mean that this awareness goes for long, and continues to another realm. May be, or may be not. There's also the big problem of memory. Memory is thought. Thought is a material process, as advocated by science and even by Krishnamurti. So, the brain stores memories, although it may not produce consciousness. But when a person dies, even though this consciousness could continue, what happens to the body memory ? Are these memories lost and the soul is kind of a blank, pure awareness with no memory about anything that happened in this life ? 🙏👍💥💥❤️
Is there Life before death?😊that is important for ME.😊❤my life......now.
Sometimes the actual words are not the most important, but the intent within. What I feel in Rupert’s response, is simple gentleness. Before we learnt our caregivers’s language, it was the tone that appeased or stressed us
Rupert has insight and wisdom not many of us can't understand right now. How can there be life after death when the characters of a dream are just in our imagination to begin with. We just wakeup and we all share the "soul" of the one infinite dreamer. There are no egos.
I had a scary dream and in the middle of it , I thought “ I don’t have to do this , I’m just dreaming” and the dream instantly changed to something else. We can know we are dreaming.
But not that we have just fallen asleep. At least I've never had that realization.
You can practise being aware of falling asleep. You can also maintain awareness going under anethesia. Most of us become habituated to just "letting go", but it is not the only option. It is a choice to "let go" whether we are realizing it or not, but the point he is making is still relevant.
Dear Rupert, there is a happiness in not knowing
“I have no fucking idea” would have been both more succinct and more honest.
maybe thats honest for you.
Your guru has no idea what he’s talking about. He waffles on and on like a champ though, I’ll give him that.
@@rtbmusic1135 my guru. Lol. you are projecting.
"HIS BEING IS YOUR BEING" (this is more about "you and animosity" than anything in his response)
Many comments here said that the teacher should have anwered with 'I dont know' or 'I have no idea'. But when somebody has an insight with a parcular matter, it's better to say it even if he/she understands that all 'thoughts' are just pointers. To say that 'we dont know' what will happen after death is nonsense because there is no death. What is there to know about?! Nothing. So, 'I dont mind' is a better pointer than 'I dont know'.
My late partner showed up and she said "Why have you stopped living? I didn't expect you to die when I did"
If she was really dead, why she showed up to you ? 🎉❤
@@DihelsonMendonca No such thing as 'dead', Being-ness continues because there is only ever the one life (ie, infinite consciousness).
@@RobbeyT1 I also believed that for many years. There's no proof. It's only a belief. What value has a belief system ? Each one needs to discover by itself, not believing in what A or B or C said, nor what's written on any book considered sacred. No tradition, no organized religions, no gurus. Truth is really a pathless land, and we must discover only by ourselves what there's beyond, if there's anything at all. 🙏👍
@@DihelsonMendonca It's not a belief, ever had an OBE? That's my proof, but it's impossible to prove it to you 🙏
@@RobbeyT1 That's why I said that each one should discover by itself. Your beautiful experience cannot be transferred to any other, unless yourself. It's unique. Only you feel this direct truth that you see. I can only believe you or not, while I don't discover for myself and live a similar experience. You can understand and deepen this point by listening, for example , to Jiddu Krishnamurti. RUclips has about 3000 videos from him. He's not a guru, but a philosopher whose lectures opens the mind to see the world on a different way, apart from what the mainstream thought and the eternal conditioning of the many religions and society have made to the men, and proposes based on facts, an analysis of the human conflict and suffering. 👍
💥 Despite all the efforts and theories about death, the truth is that we still don't know what happens after the death of the body. The closest thing we have are the Near Death Experiences so far ( NDE ). 🎉❤
Incredibly beautiful
Just because your very quiet in tone, and take forever to give your answer, doesn’t make you know anything more than the rest of us.
Among all the explanations he gave concerning this subject, this is, by far, the best perspective he offered and the most clear. If the mortal body takes a while to actually die (beyond the time the doctors pronounced it dead), then the subtle body will also go through the same transition before it joins the rest. There is no death. There is only life and its ever-changing forms. A single water vapor (subtle body still in localized form on its way to transition) does not turn into a rain; it first joins with other water vapors to make a cloud - and that cloud must be heavy enough to turn into a rain. But the transition does not stop there for the rain turns into rivers, oceans, etc. and then back to vapor. Human life is highly likely to be the same. But the persona surely dies and does not continue for eternity. Only life is eternal.
Consciousness wears 'us' individualized states, like we wear our clothing. We never die, because we have never really been 'alive' in the first place.
There is only *this*.
One moment, eternal 'NOW'; and the 'individualized' (and illusory) dream that we find ourselves in.
You can *see* past the illusion, by using your awareness to explore the places that are there but your eyes don't see; look past the image, hear beyond the sound, smell the backdrop of all scent, feel the nothingness that allows the something to exist, and taste the impeccable flavor of beyond-taste that all flavors emerge from.
"Darkness within darkness, this is the gate to all understanding" - Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching.
Those nice metaphors are still all speculations and theories and totally irrelevant and distracting to find our true selves. One of his worst videos in my opinion because it is all speculative. The only value part is right at the end. A simple "I don't know " ....and then the last two sentences would have been much better.
The non dual teachings seem to me to be the truth apart from the general description of what happens after death. Somehow the explanations given all make it seem like this lifetime we're all living is pointless. Actually for my own personal self it doesn't worry me too much, but I have a hard time believing we will never know our beloved relatives ever again and that they will just dissolve and/or be reborn, and this lifetime will just be forgotten. It seems like a waste of time, and not so much the truth.
Excellent. ❤❤❤
That's beautiful.
Even though I love Rupert, I don't think this answer, or any of his answers about life after death are particularly useful. I hope he will read several hundred NDEs and incorporate the valuable knowledge (common aspects) into his teachings.
Condolences 🙏
Sukshma sarira or the subtle body is the body of the mind and the vital energies, which keep the physical body alive. Together with the causal body it is the transmigrating soul or jiva, separating from the gross body upon death.
So the mystery is solved!
I really don't know. but i do believe that the people we love live within us and thru us for the rest of our lives.
now what happens after death and if something exists, sometime, sooner or later, we are all gonna find it out.
until then, love and do whatever you want. as saint Augustine said. or stay conscious and do whatever you want. because as Socrates said, the source of evil is ignorance (unconsciousness). so be well all of you, love and live in the now. because that is all we got and all there is. :)
maybe that individualized ¨soul¨ is a window into the light/love , love/light of the One infinite Creator .
"maybes" won't get you anywhere on this path. All speculations.
thank you! My father passed 4 weeks ago. I know this question was for me too. Thank you Rupert, your response gives me ease... even though I know we are eternal . ♥🙏 My father shows up in my heart, I feel him . In nature I sense his spirit hovering wherever I am.
I don't understand this harshness to ego you need ego but we can't just get rid of it.But isn't better to always try be compassionate.
Could you talk about zen and ikigai, please? Are both opposites? Thanks Rupert for share your wisdom.
The only thing that separate what we call the conscious state from the dream state are different brainwaves, which control them. So what's the real difference between them? I can induce you from being conscious, at a 13 Hz brainwave frequency down to a dream or trance state (5 Hz) within minutes using bio-entrainment devices. In other words consciousness is not a free form phenomenon it is tightly structured and has everything to do with electricity (ELF) waves.
The body is the only thing that dies.
Gracias 🙏🏼
Reading the comments, it's clear that this video is very triggering for many
Idk I believe energy would still exists if you have desire you will continue in other new body but person wont be her father bcoz his body will be different, conditioning will be different and no past life memory only shuttle desire so it doesn’t matter person is gone
Rupert, this is such a superficial question, but are "beautiful" people a beautiful drop of consciousness localised into activity / form? If someone did beautiful things in one life, does the whirlpool localise as something beautiful in a new form?
Maybe there is a 'dream life' after the 'dream death? Can consciousness dream such a thing?
the truth is nobody really knows what happens when you die! we will not find out until we die ourselves and by then it will be too late to report back to earth on what’s it like to die😢 you would hope that when you die all the physical pain and illnesses go away that you had when you was alive
Bardo. The Tibetan Buddhists know about this.
Why this question is framed this way and never "was there life before birth?"
Can something become nothing? Or vice versa?
Interesting way of looking at it
Ha ha I ve got a better question.
"Is there a life before death?" ;)
@@kolarz2128 yes even better! 😇💀
Soul yes, the Ego no
lol! Something about when the self is actually the non-dual, no-self, no-thing big, wide, infinite dark and quiet "Just Awareness" and then objects of that awareness such as the current localized experience of "thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions" of the "separate self" are... no longer objects of awareness. Rupert Spira is awesome! Yeah!
Interesting, as always (not sure if that is a good thing as it keeps me in the mind thinking - I come to that).
There is a difference between "not experiencing" and "not remembering". When we fall asleep we keep on experiencing all sorts of things (e.g. the temperature, the touch of the blanket etc.). The proof of that lies in the fact, that we wake up when we get too cold. So we simply don't remember. The absence of memory is not the absence of experience. I also agree with his assessment of how his mother experienced her last days. I also think he made a lovely gesture at the end by reminding her of the connection on beingness between her and her father. Just lovely.
I struggled with his mental constructs regarding "localized consciousness" that "needs time to unravel" and might localize again and so on. These are just intellectual theories. To be honest, I think his love for his models is his weakness. They start to become a bit dogmatic and repetitive and I noticed in other videos, that he pulls them out when challenged, almost like a mantra and a fact, rather than listening carefully and letting the moment and situation give him a spontaneous response.
Rupert is a kind and masterful teacher but there is something missing when I compare him with so-called enlightened masters: They are not masterful teachers, they are teaching masters and the difference is that every answer is always new and spontaneous directly in tune with the questioner and while sometimes similar to previous answers, never feel repetitive or referring to an intellectual model.
Instead of giving an opinion or answer, they also very often direct the question back to the questioner in some way for them to learn through their own experience. To be fair, Rupert did that when he referred her to her beingness and love connection - that last piece was the only really valuable piece. The rest was simply speculation and intellectual entertainment.
Of course, sometimes that last piece has to be prepared through talk. Masters do that too, but, as in the case of Nisargadatta, it takes only two or three sentences most of the time and he hardly ever speculates or repeats himself. He is brutally direct and honest, and rarely comforts anyone, because - let's face it - only the ego has to be comforted. Many people are not ready to have their ego destroyed swiftly. That's why Nisargadatta worked from a tiny room without aircon in hot Bombay and refused all offers by generous donors to build him a spacious ashram. Big, expensive. socially stimulating arty retreats with lovely food do not attract people who want their ego destroyed, I believe. Non-dual spirituality retreats like that, are just an interesting hip thing they consume. So I do wonder why Rupert is doing this in that way. I am all for spiritual retreats like the ten-day silence Vipassana retreat I did once. It was one of the most painful and healing experiences of my life. My ego did not like that at all though.
Saying this, I still learn a lot from Rupert I am very grateful for all the free footage he supplies. I am just not a big fan of his retreats. I don't see any connection or purpose in turning the non-dual path to self-realization into a social event and expensive holiday retreat in a castle. I think it is a distraction and feeds the egos of the participants.
But then again, we wouldn't have these great video clips without the retreats so my heartfelt thanks to all the people paying for it. Five years ago I would have judged Rupert as "not fully enlightened" - which is a totally stupid thing to do because there is no way for me to know this. I would have questioned the wisdom of learning from him in the fear of maybe getting misled.
Fortunately, I dropped that and realize that my learning on this path can come from any source. It is not the source - it is my openness and awareness that fuels the learning. I also learned not to idolize the masters as much but to look at what they are pointing to, rather than looking at them. In other words, I try to heed the Buddha's advice "to kill the Buddha in myself." And the Buddha is not only a particular master or teacher but the teaching itself. There comes a point where I have to kill the non-dual teaching within me and just be.
Aatmiya DIVINE
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We in this physical world are living as a combination and coordination of Gross and Subtle bodies as Consciousness, an agent of CONSCIOUS entity.
Subtle body is eternal unborn, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient while Gross body is dropping DEAD to be buried or cremated.
Very respectfully 🙏 Loving 💜 One and all DIVINE.
You are the eternal soul in a body suit, playing out the character. reincarnating in different forms over and over again untill you evolve enough and start to exist in the higher non physical realms, it's all a big illusionary journey of growth and experience
All this is still within the dream of awareness/god/true self etc.
There's layers and dimensions to it all ( the dream ) a lot we can't access, the 5 senses are quite restrictive in what they can pickup on compared to what's out there
I think Rupert dosnt mention any of this because for 1, it's not his area of knowledge, 2 all of this is still within the dream, and 3 because it creates a lot of extra thought and side tracking from the main goal of the true self realising its self through the character
He's a trickster
What you say really resonates with me and my understanding. Where can I hear more about this please?
WHAT AM I MISSING WAS NOT HIS "ANSWER"...."HIS BEING IS YOUR BEING"
if you learn to have obe you can go to the other side and meet people deads. Death doesn't exist. Life continue with a different body. A copy of this " phisical " body. But it is your ego. The illusion of separation continues. Death changes nothing. If you think to be your body here and now then you will have an illusory separated body there. In the Beyond. But it is nor far. It is here in the same " space " of phisical world. So called spirits are all around us. We sharing the same truth.
If you put a chicken in an oven and cook it at 800 degrees,what do you think happens to it,?
What makes you think a human would be any different?
Death change nothing. Death does not exist. If the ego doesn't drop here then " after life " it will have a body of different vibration. the individuals continue live with an other body.
I think death is like going to sleep and waking up in next incarnation
He just had a holiday to the otheside and knew everything.😁
Some Islamic Mystical people ( you might know them as Sofis) have a simile that the ONE is like the ocean and human beings are like the waves created by the ocean. We are there for some time, then slowly go back to the ocean, some are higher/longer waves, some smaller/ shorter one, but no matter, eventually we all will join the ocean anyway.
Why these videos are so dark ? The editor needs to adjust better the bright and contrast. 😮😮😮
I find many of these radical non-duality videos dark generally...!
Is there life before birth 😊
If it is the mind that dies,then there is no afterlife as you know it.
Really it's true after death onother life in all religions because l met all of them ❤
Wrong question. Is there death apart from physical body?
🙏🌌💖
Death is just a discontinuity of memories for the ego on its journey to freedom.
So it is solved. Thanks.
why you think Rupert Spira should know the answer that no one knows,who is he to know forever unknown mysteries of universe
To say that awareness is all that exists and everything is an illusion is almost nihilistic. It’s like saying the flower doesn’t exist because it’s actually the earth. Illusion is an ambiguous term that conflates all too easily things needed to be distinguishable. Okay, maybe no separate self, but there is definitely a distinct self.
You are absolutely right that non-duality can very easily lead to nihilism, but only when the jump from the intellect to the heart hasn't been made. The only purpose of all the non-dual teachings is to jump to the heart, or beigness. Then we can drop all non-dual teachings and nihilism is not a danger.
@@MarkusMutscheller agreed, but it also depends on the person and where they are at. It can also lead to further dissociation into abstraction without being grounded causing one to move further from the heart. On top of that, if someone is very emotionally absorbed and attached, it can be confusing to invalidate their experience as non existent. His whole approach in my opinion needs more coherence with personal, psychological processing which can lead to more abstract reasoning about other dimensions of experience. It’s important not to create a hierarchy of realness making awareness as exterior to the human experience of individuality. The experience of transcendence is more interior to “I” (awareness) than “I” am to myself. Embodiment vs spiritual bypassing.
@@Jimbo77789 "it can be confusing to invalidate their experience as non-existent."
No doubt, this teaching is difficult and many mistakes will be made by many people. Welcome to my journey 🙂But if we persist we will get the essence earlier or later, and then it is never nihilistic.
Nihilism is simply drawing false conclusions and not fully understanding the non-dual teaching yet. It is a phase for some on that path.
For example, the teaching is not that experience is non-existent. The teaching is that it is "illusionary" which doesn't mean "non-existence". Illusion means "that it is not what it seems to be." Experience exists - it is just not ego-based. The belief that it is "our" experience is an illusion.
@@MarkusMutscheller oh yeah the teaching holds depths that don’t translate well to English. There are issues that arise when trying to extrapolate meaning from words that are used very differently, on top of translation difficulties. A lot of westernized eastern teachings lose the depth and complexity they were intended to express, and often become new age versions motivated by toxic idealism and spiritual bypassing. Also, just because a teaching holds depths that encompass wisdom for the human journey doesn’t mean that the language can’t insinuate divergent patterns of ignorance. There are many factors that come into play when interpreting ancient texts, especially from different cultures. They often aren’t being expressed in a neutral way but rather influenced by the juxtaposition of social trends going on at the time. Perfect example is Buddhism. Buddhism was written with a certain flavor of negating life, with a lot of negativistic elements. That was because during the time there was so much ego centricity evolving out of other religions and philosophical influences. When we look back at old traditions it’s important to have a wide perspective on what you’re investing your heart into. Many people turn to wisdom teachings during vulnerable times, and keeping on the path can also lead people down a rabbit hole into a spiral leading nowhere but finding resolution in their native language starting with a simplistic understanding of themselves through the body, common sense, and safe relationships. Rupert, from what I’ve noticed, lacks a certain embodiment of his deeper primal energies, of joy, emotionality, and compassionate masculinity. In other words, I sense a lot of upper chakra activation lacking the vitality of the lower chakras. I’ve seen his discomfort and overly rationalizing scope of wisdom express itself with people in his audience. When engaging with people who are dealing with deep trauma he tells them things like, “when you can find the part of you that is who you are then you’re allowed to be hurt.” He’s just being deeply dismissive of the somatic level of wisdom. Our bodies hold much more wisdom than our minds do, and to reach for figures of light in pure awareness is blind to how going into your shadow work and dark side often heal what light cannot repair. A HUGE amount of spirituality emerging today is based in dissociating from the painful truth of reality, subtly being dismissive through claims of it being an illusion. Illusion is a terribly ambiguous word, and much of illusion should be given meaning akin to reality because of its importance in this human experience here on earth where we live, in this dimension as well. Anyone who has deeply suffered and been forced to go to the depths of personal hell and came out having processed it understand what is missing in many of our ironically ego driven “egoless” teachers. They are often people who have much more repressed than they know. Much more pain and ache inside they haven’t felt, and not because they haven’t suffered, but because many don’t go to the depths of grief. It’s easy to see the repression with people who use spirituality as avoidance, and I express this not out of spite or hatred, but out of passion for the need for humans to see that spirituality also has to do with being responsible with our earthly affairs and reality. We have swung too far in the direction and absorption of all-oneness that lacks boundaries and common sense. It’s not real without them. Localized accountability before big picture. And truly, this is not out of a hasty judgmental attitude. I actually really like Rupert’s brilliant illustrative approach, just not the lack of understanding for the more material ego based human needs. The ego needs to be healthy and integrated before it can be transcended.
@@Jimbo77789 Thank you for your thoughtful answer. As a former Hakomi therapist, I can relate to your concerns about bypassing somatics and your assessment of Ruperts' body type and personality structure. Your concerns about how the teachings of non-duality can be used to avoid the necessary emotional-body work via spiritual bypassing are very valid. I believe quit a few people realize that. In short, Rupert and the teachings are neither "perfect" nor does Rupert feels like an advanced spiritual master to me personally (I am not qualified to judge it in general - he might, he might not) but all this doesn't really matter to me. I still take much out of his teachings and non-duality and have dropped the notion that a teaching or teacher has to be without fault. But I do express my concerns like many others here and that is also an offering to Rupert for feed-back and my feeling is, that he does take things on board. Good talking to you.
the body is the same stuff as the density ...
The thing is that we cannot even imagine how many different "universes", different froms of existence there are appart from this "physical" experience. I know for a fact that conscious part of you moves on and continues to experience something, i don't know what, i can't even imagine what, and perhaps again it "perishes" only to find itself experiencing something, and so on. Here, as human beings we can't read mind, we are limited to only a dozen dimensions of perceiving. Perhaps, in a different form the individual has access to a wider view and abilities... It's almost a fact that it is so. We are like ants. We only see left and right, spirits on the other hand can see up and down besides left and right. In the form next to spirit, someone can not only see up and down, left and right, but also past and future, all in one view. And the next form to that one, whatever we call it, you will be able to merge universes on top of all other perceptions.
Yet whatever is available for experience, it's all taking place in a singularity, dimensionless consciousness
You do not know for a fact that the conscious part of someone moves on and continues to experience something. Explain this false assertion.
@@eightiesmusic1984 nah, you're right. Only consciousness remains, like a canvas for dreaming. Thanks for correcting me
O God! You are the Most Great, I testify that there is no god but You, You are the King and Lord and Protector and Light of the heavens and the earth and everything in them, oh God, You are the absolutely Best thing that has happened to me, I am thankful to You Alone, You are the Most worthy of being thanked and praised by me, and You have the Right to be worshiped by me!
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The soul is what moves on, and it has lived before this life, and I bear witness that the soul exists, for I have seen her, the soul is within me, a part of me, or the soul is me myself, I don't know for sure which one is the correct view, but I know it exists and is in/inside me right now this second, and it was it (my soul) that destroyed the mighty satanical-demon I got myself involved with, and the fact that the soul is in me, a part of me, or indeed myself, makes me feel, happy, actual true happiness.
And I also bear witness that spirits and demons exists, for I have encountered and seen both of them, I have seen a demon eye to eye having my face 30cm away from his, and the spirits, well, it was her (a mighty spirit from Light) and me vs this demon I just mentioned, and we fucked him up, and God was there as a Witness (I saw Him too that night, by His Absolute Grace, and that shit, is undoubtedly the most great thing that had happened in my existence).
Spirits and demons exists by Truth, it's Truth and True that they exists, no matter if you have never seen them or experienced them; they exists either way, since it's Truth, and Truth is Truth.
God testifies to man that they exists, and that's it, thus, they exists. And God further negate and shows to His slaves that the objective world, the body and you being the body and the physical world is falsehood, and materialism (brain creates experience or consciousness), God has utterly falsified it and destroyed it.
Spirit is the case, not matter. The soul is the case, not the body or the ego or the mind
And the hereafter or after-life is True. And our Ultimate Return to God and thereof our Meeting with God, is certain.
God is Alive.
@@Aed-Maroc-kj4ct today i replanted a few avocado plants into their individual pots, they are still fragile and tender, i tried my best not to break any roots... And i did a fine job. But all of them faded down. Their leafs were limp and hanging down the stem. It wasn't the shock. They lost connection, something, with the soil. What was once a beautiful lush plant with the firm leaves now looked dead. No life in it. It's ok, they recovered now.
What i want to say, that connection between the soil and the living cells which keeps the plant lush firm and alive is God. It is the same connection between every cell of your body, god is running it. If God had a name it would be life. Nothing is possible without the phenomenon of consciousness. You are the witnesses of that. You know yourself. And life is what happens to you, consciousness. That which keeps my avocados alive and thriving. It sounds so silly to thank life for being alive. But it's good for the human mind to be grateful. So i thank you too for being who you are 🙂
@@Aed-Maroc-kj4ct today I replanted my avocado plants into individual pots. I tried to be very careful not to break their roots and I did a fine job. But they slowly faded down. What was once a beautiful plant with leaves lush and firm now had limp leaves which looked dead. It wasn't the shock. They lost contact, something, with the soil for a few minutes. It's ok, they recovered soon. I'm trying to say that God is that something which keeps my avocados alive and lush. If god had a name it would be life. It's the same force that keeps every cell in your body alive, connected. You know that nothing can be seen or heard without consciousness. Life happens to consciousness and you are the witness of that. So it's kind of funny to thank life for being alive and at the same time it's good for human mind to be grateful. So i thank you for being who you are 🙂
If the observer is the observed, how can there be an after
If there is an ego year then it Will be even after. Death changes nothing. Body and mind are only an archive of memories, informations, conditionings, belief... all this will continue with an other body. Death changes nothing. If you learn to have an obe you can meet spirits of the beyond and are yourself that life continues. But of the ego doesn't drop then even it will continue. And with the ego even the suffering continue. I repeat... death changes nothing
In my opinion, Rupert makes an error equating the individual consciousness with the finite mind itself. The individual is a necessary aspect of the one. It is the prism through which the white light shines and reveals its infinite colors.
thats not even an ounce comforting.
there are meditations that let you see your past lives but they are not recommended to do without a guide who knows the dangers
Why on earth would you? I can't handle this life in perfect harmony - why would I burden myself with past lives?
@@MarkusMutscheller It was invented by Buddha to show you you have been doing the same thing that everyone has been doing for thousands of lives --chasing after fame, power, money, adulation etc and what did it get you at the end? You wound up with an empty hand and nothing at death. Seeing this, it is absurd to do the same thing again in this life. Better to find something that is not transitory, that will not disappear when you die.
@@willieluncheonette5843 Good point and agree with your last sentence, but - once again - I see the meaninglessness of chasing these things form this life alone - I don't have to watch the same movie over and over again to get it.
Sorry - different handle by accident
She wants to know is he has a soul, the answer is no. But the truth is even more beautiful than her "inside the dream" belief.
What i dont like about.him and many other satsang teachers is that he can not simply say "i dont know"..he does not know what happens with individual Perspecive after death. Even if the i is an illusion...it does not mean that life stops...
A satsang is a spiritual gathering or conversation. There are no satsang 'teachers'.
Yes. You know the Buddha actually said: “I gained nothing from supreme enlightenment and that is why it is called surpreme enlightenment”.
It was the discovery of últimate ignorance. And if you look at the oldest texts written during his lifetime and right after, instead of texts written hundreds or over a thousand years later. You will discover absolutely ZERO metaphysical/ontological talk. He refrained from all of that. He only spoke of seeing dhukka, the cause of dhukka, and getting out of dhukka.
“Here as ever before I teach only dhukka, dhukka nirodha”.
Let go of áll speculations about reality and just practice correctly here and now.
@@Lunapodthe1st What about satsuma teachers? I like satsumas and clementines though the difference is unclear.
@@eightiesmusic1984 in my mind one was sweeter than the other, but they were both nice 😋
@@eightiesmusic1984 a good satsuma teacher is hard to find...
💥 We die everyday. Every night, when we lose our awareness to sleep. You don't perceive the exact moment that you lose awareness, because you would need to be aware, so you're trying to use a tool to measure itself. It's impossible. So, when you are, there's no death, and when death comes, you are no more. They never meet each other. So, according to some religions, those who are dead, don't know that they are dead, they don't know anything, like when you are sleeping, you don't know. Only when you wake up, you perceive that you were sleeping. Death would be sleeping without dreams and without awakening ever. But according to other belief systems, when you die, when you cross the line, you keep your awareness somehow, you continue to be consciousness. From this point, beliefs disagree: Some believe we keep awareness, but not the memories, because our memories were stored in the brain. And others believe that we keep awareness and memories too. Well, if we don't keep our memories, it's impossible to recognize anything, because everything would be new, you wouldn't know even who or what you are. This question if memory persists, were never solved, or there are disagreements, there's no consensus on it. 🎉❤
I don't agree. I wrote about it somewhere else in this thread. You don't lose awareness when you fall asleep. You only lose memory. You are aware of many things while sleeping, for example, the temperature, the touch of the blanket, the quality of the air and so on. You just don't remember it. The proof lies in the fact, that you wake up when the temperature gets too hot or cold. Not that it matters much. Just saying. If we are like dead for eight hours, how do we get alive again in the morning? It would be dangerous. Someone takes our blanket away in deep sleep and we would freeze to death without waking up, if we wouldn't have awareness of temperature in deep sleep.
Falling asleep can't be compared with dying. It is obvious. You are alive when you are in deep sleep, you are aware of things happening thought senses and mind - you simply not conscious and don't remember because that part of the brain is resting.
When you are dead, the senses and mind won't work because the energy source of life is switched off. In deep sleep experience continues, in death experience stops, being conscious stops.
But consciousness arises in pure awareness. Awareness never stops, is never born and never dies. But it is practically meaningless when we are dead, as there is no experience, neither memory of awareness and definitely no "I" or mental or sense activity that experiences anything or can report on it. That's why we don't know where we go to after death and where we come from when born. Similar to deep sleep only in that there is also no memory.
(This is based on what I read from my most trusted guru - Nisargadatta - and I don't know that, of course. I just believe it.)
According to him, pure awareness can be known while still in a body in a not mental, not intellectual way (whatever that means is unimaginable) and is equal to self-realization. It can't be imagined, of course. It can't be proven to anyone, of course. You either get it or not - and then you know. To get it, all you can do is calm your mind and it becomes transcendent to a state of pure, universal consciousness which can be the portal to pure awareness. The jump to pure awareness is not up to us, it is based on "grace". Non-duality in nutshell and how I make sense of it.
@@MarkusMutscheller Of course you lose awerenes while sleeping. This is so obvious that doesn't need any explanation. The number 1 characteristics of sleep or anesthesia is losing consciousness. It also happens in other cases, like coma, certain cerebral illnesses, epilepsy strokes, and so on. Either the person loses "self awerenes" and in deep anesthesia, or even alcoholic coma, the subconscious mind, which is controlled by the sub cortex structures, lose awerenes of the environment dangers. That's why a person deeply sleeping on sedatives, lose complete control of the body and can die if the house catch fire, or other accidents. Nobody could separate the brain functions to the higher conscious functions. That's why drugs alter the behavior, because drugs alter the brain chemistry. Alcohol alters the brain temporary, even blocking the formation of new memories on the hippocampus. I knew some girls who used to drink so much, that they enjoyed losing their consciousness and new memories for 1 or 2 days. They couldn't remember anything they did on the other day. That's a brain intoxication characteristics. 👍
@@DihelsonMendonca Maybe we need to define what each of us means with "conscioussness" and "awareness" first to clear this up? I start. Consciousness, first. To be conscious of something, to me, means to know something (notice something is happening). This doesn't imply remembering it. We get conscious of many things (notice things) without remembering them.
Awareness: I think Rupert uses awareness and consciousness in the same way, as synonyms. Nisargadatta not. He uses pure awareness as a synonym for the Absolute and often said that consciousness rises and disappears in awareness. And the mind rises in conscioussness.
For the sleep discussion, we can exclude this definition of awareness and I assume you use the word "awareness" above as a synonym for "consciousness". If we notice things we don't remember, it is often referred to as noticing them sub-consciously, There are techniques to bring sub-conscious noticing into consciousness and then suddenly remember them.
We can only get conscious of something by using our senses or mind, perceiving or conceiving.
They are the instruments of consciousness. So are you saying that in deep sleep all our senses and our cognitive faculties are totally wiped out and do not notice anything? If you think that, then, indeed, we lose consciousness in deep sleep, including sub-conscious sensing.
This can be compared to turning the power off in a laptop. It's totally dead to any input until the power is switched on again. It seems that's what you are proposing.
I propose that in deep sleep we press the "sleep" button on our laptop. Everything is switched off but the function of the space bar. As soon I press the space bar the rest of the computer wakes up again. I call the space bar "seed consciousness".
I don't know for sure what is really the case, but the second options is much more logic and less problematic than the first one.
Firstly, if the power is off in deep sleep, who presses the power button to reboot consciousness, the senses, and cognition?
You could say "the world" in the form of an alarm clock, but who hears the alarm clock if all senses are dead? To be waken up, there must be something present in us, that senses the wake-up call. If we wake up because we got cold, what senses the coldness before waking up?
It can only be a seed consciousness that is always there and never goes to sleep.
Your examples of drug-induced comas can be compared with a severely impaired and broken space bar - it doesn't wake up the laptop anymore because it is broken. But that doesn't mean, the laptop's power is totally switched off.
In human terms, until death, even in the most severe coma, seed consciousness is still present, but the sensory instrument to re-awaken full consciousness is so impaired (sedated, dysfunctional) that they can't manage to wake up full consciousness. And as soon the space bar is repaired or the sensory functions are restored, it fully awakens consciousness again. A matter of daily observations.
In summary: We never fully lose consciousness until we die, and very likely, consciousness remains after death in some form, but "we" (our bodies) and our sensory and cognitive instruments are permanently disabled and gone, so consciousness, formerly attached to them, could be free-floating now. But as long we live, we never lose full consciousness but we constantly lose the memory of conscious events and therefore think we lost consciousness.
Losing consciousness is a scientific misnomer and is based on the idea that consciousness derives from matter (the body) - the hard problem of consciousness. Therefore, they assume that when the body is unresponsive, consciousness is too, hence that we are unconscious in deep sleep or coma. But the above explanations make much more sense to me.
@@burnalog7861 Thanks for the answer. You already know that defining the term "consciousness" is one of the biggest problems of human knowledge, and currently is much discussed, due to the great improvements on the artificial intelligence field ( AI ). So we have scientists, philosophers, all kinds of people trying to come to a good definition of what is consciousness. There are many definitions. Krishnamurti defined consciousness as the whole content of mind, like the human memories, conditioning, feelings, desires, etc. He always proposed the emptyness of consciousness as a great step towards self knowledge. He is very deep in his points, and I confess I don't have sufficient intelligence to grasp everything Krishnamurti explains when he talks about consciousness, awerenes, life, death, etc. I'm studying him and others. Eckhart Tolle, on the other hand, like Rupert Spira and many others, talks about "The one", we would be points of the ultimate consciousness, part of the same cosmic Tao, the supreme energy and Flux of the cosmos ( including all dimensions ). So, most philosophers and thinkers differentiate consciousness from awerenes, from simply "being aware", being awaken, perceiving both the objective and subjective reality ( exterior and interior ). The common way to use the words by doctors and people in general, is the same thing. The doctors points to several degrees of consciousness ( used as synonym of awareness ). They consider the awaken state, the several degrees of sleep, from stage 1 to stage 4, ( stage 1 is the first stage, near awaken state, then progressively goes deep until stage 4, which it's difficult to wake up the person ). And it continues to deepens more and more, with the use of drugs, anesthetics, and the ultimate degree in medical terms is the induced coma. In this state, the brain cannot be activated, there's complete pause in human cognitive, thought capacity ( the person could die and theoretically not perceive ). So, there are many definitions for consciousness and awareness. Some consider the same thing, and others consider two completely different ones. I avoid using the term consciousness, due to these misunderstandings. I refer to awerenes as the basic dictionary definition of perceiving time, space, and happenings, as long as auto perception, for example, noticing it's own thinking process, perceiving that the person is alive and thinking ( I think, therefore, I am ). That's how I used the term. Very simple. From the basic definition, or understanding the terms, we can communicate. ( Also pardon my English, it's my third language ). 🙏👍💥
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I think he is stuck and isn't advancing i love the non dual but there is a more God can't be put in a box....
The vague and complicated teachings Rupert tries to convey are not very helpful, and leave me with the same questions.
have you ever considered that the mind (all that appears) is creating questions and answers to obfuscate the eternally present nature of our true self?
@@peace_in_the_now Yes I have considered this. However, I still do not “know”. I am really trying to innerstand these teachings.
@@Strawman333 yeah, it can't be known in that sense, as it is just your everyday regular experience of life being the whole of existence, what would you probably every "know" about it? all recognition is: it.
So it merges itself within the infinite consciousness a person's being I mean..but then if it relocalizes then how can we say it's his being when we all are the same..being how can we say it's that particular person's reincarnation..idk if..I'm making sense..
There is no separation to begin with. You are the other person. You are the woman asking, Rupert Spira and everybody else in the audience. Why are you yourself at this very moment? You are yourself, because you are everybody else as well. Whenever there is consciousness, it is you.
Remain in the shade. Never allow a single thought in the shade. Eternal bliss.
Anything else?
As a typical western eastern mystic RS has no hope to offer this person. He can't even be honest and straightforward with the true answer that is according to his beliefs any and all things outside of self and self, its self, including any family members don't truly exist and are simply part of the whole illusion of self and dualism. That's why they don't support and promote love in any form certainly not romantic love certainly not family love nor friendship love. They see the whole world as nothing but a deception keeping them from understanding that they are universe locked in a body. For a more accurate truth and certainly one of greater hope read the Seth Material.
Really I don't know
neither do i. but i do believe that the people we love live thru us for the rest of our lives.
now what happens after death and if something exists, sometime, sooner or later, we are all gonna find it out.
until then, love and do what you want. as saint Augustine said. or stay conscious and do what you want. because as Socrates said, the source of evil is ignorance (unconsciousness). so be well all of you, love and live in the now. because that is all we got and all there is. :)
There are countless books on past life experiences. Too numerous to count. Certainly, you have some common sense here.
And countless accounts of near death experiences.
Talk about evading a question
He doesn't know so goes into his neo advaita babble
Watch NDE experiences to get some answers
After death comes judgement study the bible
No
Only a personal relationship with the holy trinity matters, but belief themselves are not enough. The actions we take as a result of the relationship are what matter. We should never judge another’s path, or what will happen to them. This was expressed very clearly in the Bible and in many other religions as well.
@@zachvanslyke4341 you're unsaved if you think belief isn't enough. The Bible is ripe with verses that say belief is the only requirement.
@@zachvanslyke4341 1Jo 5:5 NKJV - 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
@@uwvadertje it also says many times that we are recognized by our fruit and that faith without works is dead.
Plenty of serial killers believed in Jesus
But… anyhoo… this is an old problem- people interpreting the Bible in different ways. You and I are no different; everybody thinks that THEIR interpretation is correct.
Take care
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