Leaving Mormonism for Catholicism w/Jeremy Christiansen
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- **UPDATE** My apologies for the audio quality. This is fixed on the audio version of the show, which you can find here: pod.link/14581...
Today on the show, lawyer and author Jeremy Christiansen joins me to talk about growing up in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (colloquially referred to as "Mormonism"), the epistemology underpinning Mormon conviction, and how the house of cards that was his religious belief all came crumbling down in his late twenties. That's when he discovered the Apostolic Fathers--and never looked back.
You can buy Jeremy's book here: bookshop.org/a...
I just got my letter of resignation from the LDS church weeks after being baptized Catholic. I feel so blessed to be part of an actual true religion.
Amen! Welcome home. Proud to be Catholic 🙏🏼
Welcome home!
Congratulations!
La Vergine Maria ns. Madre, ti ha chiamato nella vera e unica chiesa del figlio suo. Dio ti benedica...
Welcome home to the Roman Catholic Church ⛪️.
I'm going through the same thing as you did. I no longer believe in the Mormon faith but I haven't left the church yet. I also serve a 2-year mission and was married in the temple with now two beautiful kids. My wife already knows about my faith crisis and it pains her so much. I would love to buy your book but I prefer a digital copy.
@@faithalone2171 Sola Scripture and Sola Fide are also not in the Bible. 🤷
Jesus said
“I will be with u always.”
Mormons skipped 1850yrs
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-2/3 of the NT? Really? Care enough to share a few verses that talk about Sola Fide?
-Why, do you believe Catholics appeal to the traditions of Moses or Pharisees for doctrines? If you do, you are very wrong Sir.
@@solafide9533
You said
*YEs since you humbly asked. Lol*
*You didn't know? Rct forget to send the memo?*
It's hard to have a decent conversation with someone who is only trying to win an argument. So, this will be my last response.
You quoted the writings of the Fathers, which by your own belief are not scriptures so why use them to support your claim? You're not being consistent with your belief in Sola Scriptura.
It's interesting that you're using Romas 3:28 for Sola Fide. What is exactly the "works of the law" Paul is talking about? Numerous Biblical scholars concluded that those "works of Law" which Paul condemns is actually the law of Moses. Paul is not thinking of good works done by the Spirit as Catholics say are necessary for salvation. Rather, Paul is arguing that Gentiles (non-Jews) do not have to enter into the Mosaic Covenant and live like Jews to be saved. Like circumcision, dietary laws, feast days, etc. (Romans 2:25-29).
Jews and Gentiles are the main focus of Paul's letter to the people in Rome. As the first Catholic Scripture scholar, Origen of Alexandria (184-253AD) said, “In this letter Paul, like an arbiter sitting between the Jews and the Greeks, i.e., believing Gentiles, summons and invites both groups to faith in Christ in such a way as to not offend the Jews completely by destroying the Jewish ceremonies nor to cause despair in the Gentiles by affirming the observance of the law and of the letter.” (Commentary on Romans, 2.14.1). The Church in Rome is having an ethnic issue, where Jews feel that salvation comes about by following the typical ceremonial Jewish life. St. Paul says no. Both Jews and Gentiles can attain eternal life apart from the works of the Mosaic Law of Judaism. (www.stpeterinstitute.com/post/sola-fide-is-not-taught-in-romans-3-28)
The Fathers never taught Sola Fide. Read here, chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/salvation-from-the-perspective-of-the-early-church-fathers/
Also, you only mentioned James 2:23, why not start from James 2:14 to 26, especially 20-24? Is it because it will become obvious that James is not teaching sola fide?
*14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.*
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.
*20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.*
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
As for Catholic tradition, read here, www.beginningcatholic.com/catholic-tradition.
It’s a cleansing process. I’ve been inactive , coming back I will never deny the witness I received
Someone gave me a Book of Mormon. I started reading and then got ready for bed!! I said a prayer to God that is this true? And went to bed. I had a dream that night. It was me in my empty bedroom, a rope from corner to corner with me on one side and the book on the other side. And God said, “it’s ok not to believe “ I got up ant tossed the book in the trash. I’ve never had this type of dream. Until then
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Ex-Mormon here. Thanks for saying that our feelings do not matter and do not show what is right and wrong(36:00). I had to learn this as well to come out of Mormonism. Mormon testimonies are pure emotion.
Congratulations, Jeremy! You have chosen the truest path to follow Jesus. I wish you every blessing and great joy!
Amen!
Just read your book. Very good, read it in one day. I live in Salt Lake City so was very interesting.
Just read an article from the Catholic Herald on his Journey. My sister in law is a former Mormon who left around the same time, unfortunately she is more into the New Age stuff, but I find the role of increasing understanding of history being the reason for such a mass exodus out of Mormonism to be very interesting.
Sono d'accordo. Molti mormoni in buona fede non conoscono la vera storia e non sono stati abituati a esercitare l'intelligenza in modo critico. Hanno false idee sulle altre chiese cristiane e la loro non è fede ma "FIDEISMO"...
Mormons using the KJ Bible is deliberate of course. The actual Bible is a Catholic Book, and no one is authorized to change a line of it. The KJV, Luther's choice, leaves out 7 books directly involving the priesthood and divine authority of Christ. Luther's bible excludes: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, 1st & 2nd Maccabees, and certain text from Esther and Daniel. Luther eliminated those books because they held data that countered his heretical power seizing agenda.
I went to SLC temple square on a Sunday morning. The Temple was all locked and chained and fenced off.
I went to Rome on a Sunday morning
St Peter’s was open and 1000s of tourists walking around.
The contrast was startling
Was there construction 🚧 at the SLC Temple ????
Answer is yes
@@mikelawlor1533 when I was there
It was just a chain locked fence
It is a big difference but that is because Latter-Day Saints do not worship in their temples. They perform and receive ordinances for themselves and for the dead in the temples. People aren’t allowed to just go and pray like in Catholic Churches. Latter-Day Saints worship in chapels on Sunday mornings. Everyone should be there so the ordinance workers who staff the temples should be at their local chapel (ward meetinghouse as they are sometimes called). A LDS ward is roughly equivalent to a Catholic Parish.
@@saralyg
Yes but to lock up a temple
The main temple in the whole religion on a Sunday, looks anti christian. Jesus said bring the children to me. Mormons say lock up the joint on Sundays. It’s your religion
You can do as you please. Just looks anti christian to us Christians.
@@PInk77W1 The Salt Temple has been under renovations for the last several years. That is why you could not enter.
"The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure."
Personal experiences need to be closely monitored. The enemy can create WONDERFUL experiences to lead a person where he wants them to be ... and then the experiences become otherwise. 'Discernment of spirits' by St. Ignatius is one source to begin the safeguard process. Experience can be real ... but the origin of the experience needs to be held in question until solid data available. Bottom line with the saints is that spiritual EXPERIENCES per se are never to be sought. Saint on saint points to this.
This is absolutely fabulous!
I love the way Jeremy is not bashing Mormons. While I wouldn't agree with any Mormon doctrine, I respect the way they are trying to live their lives.
I don't know if I missed it but did his family convert too?
It’s so amazingly baffling that there’s numerous Christian denominations and everyone claims that the Holy Spirit is guiding them,if that were true then how can there be any divisions between all groups or what I’m trying to say is that how can the Holy Spirit cause separation between Christians that’s not possible something seems very wrong with this situation?🤔
Your one step closer to saving faith.
You need to get your guests to speak closer to their mics.
My apologies--it wasn't the guest, it was a mistake I made in post-production.
Yeah audio is garbage. Do better. My truth is that his audio is too low
@@harambeboy This is not simply your truth, but a universally-recognized truth. I messed up! The audio is fixed on my podcast feed but unfortunately RUclips doesn't support audio edits after upload.
Streamers, you gotta do a sound check before you do an interview with another streamer.
My apologies--it wasn't the guest, it was a mistake I made in post-production.
From the tree of life to the great and spacious building. That's a down grade.
I find it interesting that he was led to the Catholic faith by reading the Apostolic Fathers rather than the Bible. Says it all.
Well, what church should he have ended in, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Jehova's Witness, 7th Day Adventists, Church of Christ, Baptist, Methodist, Light of the World, non-denominational? Which church or set of beliefs does the Bible point to?
Well, any thinking person seeking truth should wonder where the Bible came from since Christ did not give a Bible. What makes the Bible authoritative? Which comes first the Church or the Bible? And those who seek the Church Christ established will become Catholic, and those who seek the Bible that Christ never gave will be church hopping every time they don't like their preacher because all the protestant churches gotta be equally true but they also gotta be equally false so just find a preacher that makes your bosom warm and set the Holy Spirit on fire in your stomach, never mind that it probably heart burn you're feelimg.😂
The Church existed first before the Bible .It didnt fall from the sky .It was given to us by the Catholic Church around the 3rd century .Read,read,read Christian history and dig deeper! I couldnt fathom why you are advertising your being a DUNCE on SM . What are your theological credentials and where did you graduate???
Because they brilliantly explain Salvations work.
He already knew the Bible. Jesus gave us a Church not a book. He was in search of the church of the Apostolic Fathers which is consistent with the Bible (that he already knew).
Wish I could have heard it. His audio was terrible. Sorry I had to stop listening
I'm sorry--my fault on the audio. It was a mistake I made in post-production. It's fixed on the podcast feed if you want to listen there! pod.link/1458179240/episode/bec343eadf562a6be7198c9dd7640367
“From Mormonism to Catholicism.”
🙆🏻♀️ that’s just saying, “From Frypan into Fire.” Period.
Well kept seeking, you went from one false church to another false church!
One cult to another.......
Thanks for listening! You are sorely mistaken on the Catholic Church being a cult, however.
James, try educating yourself before opening up your mouth!
Well, at least you jumped from the fire into the frying pan.
Out of the frying pan into the fire.
a bigoted protestant, isn't it? and a ignoramus of everything catholic, isn't it? but totally certain that protestantism is faithful to the Bible, (and you are sure of that fundamentakl thing since you were young, a time when you were already a great specialist of Scripture interpretation?
@@silveriorebelo2920 God reveals whom he wants to reveal. On Pentecost Peter quoted from scripture, how did the crowd know what he was preaching was true ??? How many received the truth, and many who did not.
Wow, your name is familiar since you watch all the Catholic channels Frederick Anderson!! Obviously you are missing something in your life. What is it Frederick?
@@limoncellosmith7594 something missing, we all imperfect correct we can't foresee what our future will be and what kind of person we might become, despite our own perceptions and other people's. In my eyes you don't have to read the Bible to know nobody is perfect or God like, unless you worship many celebrities and leaders, mature people grow out of hero worship or can't move on from a loved one. Life goes on despite our search for meaning.
You converted from very wrong to wrong.