Man Canada has soooooo many issues ! Healthcare , rent , inflation etc never ending . Yes they have no shelters plus people are living together despite the abuse because they can’t survive financially to live separately. But definitely as a woman I prefer to live in Canada than in Pakistan .
Healthcare, Rent, Inflation arent issues in Pakistan?..Lol privledged elites are so out of touch with reality, comparing a $1500 per captia Country with a $45000 developed country..😂
40:10 Seems like he knows nothing about, you don't get thrown on the streets in Canada ever. If you lose your job there is Employment Insurance, there is other forms of government support, education, healthcare is free. I seriously think he's being paid to say this nonsense by the establishment.
@@lanoklom9697 while that guy is making sound a bit worse than it is, how can you say people don't get thrown on the streets? There's literal footage of homeless people living in tents on this guardian video released just 4 weeks ago: ruclips.net/video/txyjmNXcWiU/видео.html
Adeel beta, ask any minority how secure they feel in Pakistan. In this argument about Pakistan being better than Canada, I don’t agree with you. Basic healthcare and education are free there and we have pathetic examples of both here.
I agree 💯 Might is right is the way of whole society in Pakistan. For anyone in doubt about this you can just walk into any housing society in Karachi specially the ones where middle class is also living like on the outskirts of DHA Karachi. You just ask the middle/lower class residents how they are treated by the administration there and then compare it to the upper class in the same society . You will have your answer that the apple is rotten to the core.
Basic healthcare and education is free in Pakistan too. Private education and healthcare is costly in Canada too. As a poor immigrant you get help in Canada well we also have benazir program. Keep your facts check 😂
Having worked in a government hospital I know very well about the situation. There was not even prescription pad for us yo write on. Lack of lab reagents, the list is quite long. As for government schools, please go to one and asess.
Health care and education is free there yes which sounds great but its managed terribly in Canada and even the US, I'm not saying we're perfect but the pakistani system of going about with patients is way better than Canadian or American system which has alot of insurance involved and usually you have to wait a very long time for approvals of documents and insurance to actually get major surgeries done, which at times can worsen the patients condition and this is coming from someone who has faced this issue. Even within the UK its notorious that patients have to wait weeks to actually get appointments from general physicians. I'm sure the treatment itself is better however alot goes on behind the scenes for a simple surgery or appointment to be made.
I am from India and my 3 close family members moved back to India from Canada. Believe me, they are very happy in India. Both husband and wife are earning in lakhs. Living in a good society and having a househelp.
@@SurajSharma-be2kd "Living in Good society and having househelp"... Lol South Asians are totally blind, In Canada if a rich white person says this sentence these people will cry racism but they are incapable of how they treat their own majority population ie. (Poor People).
@shehzad Rabbi Shergill is my neighbour, and I vouch that he is one of the best and most solved person I have ever met. His knowledge about Indian subcontinent history is extensive and a very good listener.
@ThePakistanExperience It is a great idea. Please send your contact number. Will pass it to him asap. Also, if he agrees, will pass his contact info to you.
Love this talk about western countries and their hypocrisy while sitting in Pakistan. None are perfect but life for vast majority is much better in America than in Pakistan. Looking from the lense of upper middle class Pakistani is not the same as anyone below that. There is no law and order in Pakistan. Quality of life is no where close. Please don't misguide people.
عدیل صاحب میں کینیڈا میں رہتی ہوں۔۔۔۔پچھلے 21 سال سے ۔۔۔۔ یہاں جتنی protection ہے کسی انسان کی کے آپ سوچ بھی نہیں سکتے ۔۔۔۔ کہیں visit کرنے میں اور کہیں رہنے میں زمین آسمان کا فرق ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ ایک غریب آدمی بھی سکون سے رہ سکتا ہے ۔۔۔۔ جو homeless لوگ آپ کو نظر آتے ہیں وہ drug addiction کے لوگ ہوتے ہیں اور government ان کو جگہ دیتی ہے رہنے کے لیے لیکن وہ وہاں رہتے نہیں ہیں کیونکہ ان کو وہاں rules کو follow کرنا پڑتا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ آپ کے پاس روزگار نہیں تو government کی طرف سے الاؤنس ملتا ہے ۔۔۔۔ کرایہ دار کو آپ نکال نہیں سکتے ۔۔۔۔۔ کتنی باتیں ہیں بتانے کی ۔۔۔۔۔ کیا بات کر رہے ہیں آپ ۔۔۔۔ مسلے مسائل ہر جگہ ہوتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔ ہم US میں بھی 5 سال رہیں ہیں۔۔۔۔۔ HEALTH care آپ کو kill کر دیتی ہے ۔۔۔۔
The current situation in Canada is challenging, especially for new migrants. It takes about 7 to 10 years for newcomers to properly settle and find decent salaried work. Most recent migrants are students who don't have family support and live in terrible conditions. They don't really have free healthcare either, as they aren't Canadian citizens yet, so they must buy health insurance, which can cost $100 to $200 a month. If you move to Canada from a lower-middle-class background, you might find it a lot better than Pakistan, but if you're from an upper-middle-class background, you'll likely have second thoughts about why you even moved. The first four years here will be filled with stress, anxiety, and depression.
There are only two channels in Pakistan that are doing a great job: yours and Raftar. I only watch these two because the others seem to keep people in a fantasy world. Since I stopped watching those, I've been learning a lot of new things from both of your channels.
Whatever Adeel commented abt life in Canada (these days) is 100% true. if u lose ur job, u will be totaly broke. can become homeless, will go in deep depression coz of helplessness. No relief from Govt. Cannot survive & he is right homelessness is increasing byfold coz immigrants not able to afford v.high rents & mortgages. Govt is not doing anything abt it 😢 its becoming like a 3rd world country for low income & new immigrants.
As if in Paskistanis dont go broke if they lose their job in Pakistan..😂, Per capita homeless and beggars are way more in $1500 per Capita Pakistan compared ro $45000 per capita Canada.
@@hamidpk I live in Canada. If you over leverage yourself and mortgage on a house you cannot afford and then expect govt. to bail you out. My man you deserve to become homeless. In any country if you make stupid financial decisions like this you will become homeless. Low income people in 3rd world are far worse off than those in Canada, in Pakistan you are bonded labor/slave labor. Adeel is very dumb, Even Shehzad was cringing at his statements.
Love your enthusiasm Adeel, but I have to agree with Shehzad on the issues in discussion about Canada/Pakistan. The shelters may not be enough in Canada but the definition of domestic violence is different in both countries. A woman is safer at 3 am in Canada than 6 pm at liberty market. Lived experience in four countries as a single woman!
Sir , plz request adeel bhai to talk on ind-pak history as he done before. We really learn a lot , these kind of discussions gives you the direction ❣️❣️❣️
Aik mahina canada main reh kr you cant comment or compare the economies or society. Canada offers alot more than just healthcare and education. Shahzed is correct that social security in Canada is far better than in Pakistan. Stick to your poetry adeel bhai.
You boys are always amazing. My brother lives in Brampton, they have halal meat lovers pizza yaar. Canadian govt gave Emnesty to many many afghan refugees too, just thought to refresh your memory, every country comes with their challenges, I’ve cancer, if i lived in Pakistan it would had been a nightmare to get treatment in my condition but in America govt is helping me pay for it. I lost my brother to cancer in Pakistan 11 yrs ago because the physicians there weren’t ready to listen and wouldn’t treat him until we out money upfront.
Agree with Shehzad, about living in Canada/US. Its hard to live if you lose job or broke as compared to if you are in Pakistan, due to cost of living. However, in Pakistan you are treated as third degree citizen anyways. You are at least treated as human and feel safe mostly in US/Canada.
Yeh middle class ki baat nhi kr rhy. Mai masters kr k pakistan mai 50 hazar kamata tha ghr rent ka tha sari zindagi ghari nhi ly skta tha acha kha pi nhi skta tha. Acha medical afford nhi kr skta tha. Covid k bd job chali gai. 2022 mai Uk aya ho Allah ka shukar h minimum wage mai bhi achi life guzr rhy hum yaha. West main hazar buriya hain likin yaha aty sath apni ghari ly skty ho. Minimum income main ap acha guzra kr skty hain. Aur apko protection bhi hoti h haar trha ki apko koi kidnap nhi krta apko koi road per Maa behan ko nhi cherta aurtain protected hain wo jobs kr skti hain ghr ko support kr skti hain. Beshak pakistan apna mulk h no doubt apna culture hai likin waha ik lower middle class bnda survive hi nhi kr skta. Apka boss apko exploit nhi krta labour laws strong hain. Mazhab k naam per apko koi qatal nhi krta , pakistan mai life tb achi h jb ap lakho kamaty ho.
Health care is shit in canada. Is it free? Yes. But people die in emergency rooms… why ? Because the best case scenario is 7 hours wait…for emergency…. And don’t get me started on doctors and appointments. It took me 6 months to get neurologist’s appointment for an issue that was described as vital. And then another 4 months for just an MRI
@@sarahkhan3711 he won't return. That's the thing I don't understand, we r dying to go abroad and once we r there we criticize that country too but still we never come back.
Couple of things…. I am a she… not he..and i am from India. The only reason that’s keeping me in Canada is that as a woman i am more secure, independent and safe in canada. I don’t like living here at all. If someone wants to leave any South Asian country, they really should. But just an advice, don’t come to Canada. Choose another country. People of Canada are moving away from Canada because of economy and all of the things Adeel noticed. Everyone deserves to live in a country where they are treated with equal respect and opportunities, regardless of their gender, religion, race and caste. Canada is that place but that doesn’t mean it’s a heaven and all is shiny and happy here. Just saying, if someone wishes to start their life in a different country, choose something with better economic situation and where you can afford a home. Because now in Canada, good luck buying a home👍. You can’t afford it, unless you have been living here for 15 years. But i hope things get better. Government is trying to make it right. And i know people who have moved back to India merely because of health care. I had to go to India for medical reasons. It sucks that the country you live in can’t provide you healthcare care when you need it. It is a big problem. Mainly because they don’t have enough healthcare workers.
@Werchmant people have right to criticize the country they live in and government that is serving them. I had a terrible experience with healthcare here. As a resident, i have every right to criticize and ask questions about things i pay for with my Tax. What do you expect? Ask no questions? Say nothing Just because i immigrated here for better opportunities and living standards? Should I be grateful for it? Sure! I am. But not critique it’s bad things? Nah! I am living here. Paying tax. I will criticize. And then give chance to government to fix it. That’s how any country excels and maintain their living standards.
It was great to hear about Asma, Arshad, and Mosaic... It was Arshad Mahmood who brought me to Pakistan Experience. One of the very few podcasts I watch and learn from. All the best. Munir Pervaiz Saami
Don't be too harsh on yourself. You are a very young country and will take few more decades to find correct path, if not more. Even your history is no older then 77yrs, as before that, it was someone else's history, which you don't own.
77 years granted may not be long enough when it comes to a country,but it still is a long amount of time. We wouldn't be this negative if we had any hopes of betterment. Living here is like being stuck in the past. Nothing gets improved, empty promises by the politicians, hate crimes, street crimes are rampant. Inflation is booming, jobs are scarce and the ones which are available offer pathetic salaries which don't even cover the commute from home to workplace and vice versa. Broken roads, no gas, high petrol prices, extremely high electricity bills along with load shedding,Water issues and so on. As an 18 year old, who hasn't seen any improvement in these 2 decades, I am hopeless of this nation and it's people. It's like we don't deserve happiness. So yeah, it's easy to say that don't lose hope, but it's harder to believe in it.
Adeel has spent only a month in Canada and he's passing his opinion like an expert on current domestic situation of US and Canada which is misjudged. Not his fault as it's just based on his brief exposure to Canadian society.
Canada is trying to do major efforts to reconcile with the natives and indigenous people.. This message is now read at many public events. It reads like this. For example: Land Acknowledgement for Toronto We acknowledge the land we are meeting on is the traditional territory of many nations including the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishnabeg, the Chippewa, the Haudenosaunee and the Wendat peoples and is now home to many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples. We also acknowledge that Toronto is covered by Treaty 13 with the Mississaugas of the Credit. It is just a beginning. I met the guest a reading at Mosaic and respectfully felt that he has limited observation on which he speculates on General.
@thepakistanexperience - Shehzad , you are quite the night owl... your intellect, pagalpanti and shayari is directly proportional to the lateness (and darkness) of the hour. lage raho bhai
Adeel's point that you'll be on the road if you lose your job is right. But if you have a job, it's still better than Pakistan. Also Shehzad, health service free hai but delivery of these services is delayed by months which can be life and death in many cases.
Shahzad gave example of how expensive AKU is for healthcare. Mind you that is the most expensive hospital of Pakistan where 99% of Pakistanis can't even think of going. Come and see the healthcare system of Punjab (which has many problems i know) but it is a life saver for lower middle class and lower class. Health care needs a lot of improvement but it is not like there isn't a social security net. School on the other hands are grave. Govt. colleges (1st year to 4th year) are much better.
Your frequencies didn't match in this podcast. Adeel was very serious and you tried to come up with thandi jugats and he didn't seem to like it neither did I. An honest review but i may be wrong.
Shehzad bhai zara 4,5 achay career counselors aur educationalists ko zara podcast pe bulain because there is a lot of confusion amongst student regarding their career choices and they need clearilty especially student who have just passed their intermediate exams and are confused about their university and fields
The comparison between Canada and Pakistan is ignoring the working class in Pakistan. The guest says in Pakistan, you won't become homeless in a month. Is he aware of what happened in goths on super highway? Has he ever seen the homeless living under bridges in Karachi? He is a well spoken guy but he like many overseas and upper class Pakistanis they forget the pains of working class. Like how people (not the guest) glorify "everyone has househelp in Pakistan" jaisay ke househelp is some robot devoid of feelings and needs.
'20:35 obviously, almost every piece of technology whether it be the printing press, loud speaker, video, or social media has been used by religious people more than anyone else'
First of congratulations to you Pakistanis on getting Olympic gold it's a historic achievement and please continue that effort so that we see more medalist from your country and I hope from my country india. I hope you host champions trophy and we will get to see india vs Pakistan at lahore stadium. Love from india.
Arey bhai , control 😆 Emotions mein kya kya bol rahe ho . Champions trophy is still far away , Dilli dur ast Political situation of pakistan is volatile and might not be conducive to host the tournament
Recently, the largest student work visas were issued to Indians. Canada is a capitalist society. Some political parties try to temper capitalist excesses to some extent. While the guest visited Brampton, he should have made an effort to meet NDP workers. The leader of this party has been. Sikh. This party is considered to be the conscience of Canadian politics. The party of social justice. It has governed several provinces and as official opposition in the parliament....
Interesting discussion.....on Canada two things decide your life ....your work authorizationstatus ...takes about 5-7 years to get naturalization...average. oostof living is 5K CAD that too hand to mouth...
I respectfully disagree with Adeel on the topic where he argues that life in Pakistan is better than abroad. As an international student living in Australia, I cannot fully comment on life in Canada, but I want to point out that the quality of life is significantly better abroad than in Pakistan. Especially as a resident of Karachi, I felt that my life had no value, anyone could shoot you for a wallet or a phone. As a woman, there was always the looming threat of becoming another rape statistic. I am a graduate of a well-known business school in Karachi, yet I was stuck in a toxic corporate culture where my DGM would tell me it was time for me to get married or comment on the color of my lipstick. I felt unsafe ALL THE TIME. I am not suggesting that there are no crimes or issues here, but I can support myself by working part time at a fuel station overnight, and I do not feel unsafe. I walked 40 minutes home at 11 p.m., and I wasn't scared of walking on the streets at night. I'm more afraid of ghosts at night than of humans here. People do not need to be graduates of a specific university to be respected. You can be a high school dropout working as a server and still financially support yourself without anyone looking down on you for just being a waiter. Racism and healthcare issues exist, every country has its problems, but that does not take away from the fact that one is treated as a human being here in first world countries.
I live in canada and whatever adeel said is absolutely correct about canada. And shehzaad pls yrrr jabliyaa ghat maarya krr jinu bulaaya ohnu pura boln deya krr . Gal na vich katya krr. Its advice bro
What adeel is saying is true , there are lot of problems in west but only those who live on sustenance wages here know the truth, I am not saying it's worse than Pakistan but situation isn't rosy as it seems esepcially in Canada post covid, thier economy is stuck for past 10 years with same GDP per capita and taking in too many immigrants recently has created a housing & job problem. Single payer system like Canada's sucks big time , many people die waiting for surgeries and many people are not able to find an apppointment with PCP . In US if you don't pay th medicall bill , no one is going to come after you from collection agencies esepcially if you live in liberal states and you can negotiate the medical bills with agencies as they get sold over multiple times to other debtors.
'48:47 dear if someone blamed the 'qom' if this country for what the rulers been doing, you would have objected right? This is the problem, when it comes to our people, we say that awam ka kasur nai hai, but when it comes to others, we dont want to distinguish between the average person and the rulers'
Shehzad Bhai honestly bat krun ek aj??? "This guy JB ye serious hota hai baat krta hai Dil krta hug kr Le bnda issay But JB light minded r hnstay hnstay baat kre ga to smjo he will destroy you in every minute Probably the MEANEST guy on the planet" Meri observation hai May be right may be wrong but main ne to ye observe kia
@@ThePakistanExperience Bhai jis bnday ko lgta hai na k mere se zyada dark humor koi ni hona Kisi ka .... Wo JB end level pe puhnche ga to samnay revolving chair pe Shehzad Ghias betha VA Hoga 🤭🤭🤭
I have no idea what adeel is talking about. I am a Canadian for more than 20 years and we are way ahead in terms of being a socialist society. You get shelter, free healthcare, free education. You have to live here to assimilate and understand this society instead of always complaining about back home being better. You are just home sick.
Actually the thing is about which part of society u r when u immigrated. If u r from the lower middle class then it feels better in Canada. If u r from the upper middle class then it feels like shit going to Canada cuz u have to work your way from the bottom while knowing u were much better in Pakistan.
@@Werchmant i come from a pretty afluent class. The thing is if you have been lazy all your life and expect others to take care of you, then you would hate Canada. If you actually enjoy doing any hard work you would love to reap the benefits here. You would also hate it if you don't believe in equality for humans, and think that there should be a entitlement and a class difference. I feel like a lot of people hate Canada because they are just not able to abuse the Canadian system as much as they did back in Pakistan.
@@Sid-fi1mc yes true but then don't forget when u go to Canada the locals there don't see u as there own. The locals there hate that we 3rd world immigrants r coming there and leeching off of there legal aid. So there is still a bit of class difference and the locals there will quite often remind u that u r not one of there's. There will always be a class difference wherever you go. That's why Indian there have built a strong community and have a monopoly. Pakistani on the other hand r selfish and divided therefore once u land there u r pretty much on your own and it's a hard struggle from the bottom and if u were from the upper middle class u will really face alot of struggle when comparing to your life in Pakistan. But yes overall u can't compare Pakistan and Canada they r miles apart in development.
Canada main halaat kharaab hain for someone who came years ago. Just came a few months ago and Pakistan se tou 100 times behtar hai. (I came from privilege and stable job in Pak and still think so).
Independence is something we must continuously fight for, not just celebrate. We won our freedom from the British, so why are we still shackled by feudal lords and corrupt elites? What good is independence if the same oppressive systems remain intact? Remember the Bengal famine-who decided the fate of millions? It was Churchill, who didn’t care about the suffering. Today, even though we’re independent, we still face wars and conflicts that don’t serve our interests. If we were still under British rule, we’d be fighting their wars-whether in Afghanistan, Africa, or Ukraine. Our independence means we’re no longer puppets of foreign powers, yet the injustice continues, just from different hands. To those so-called intellectuals who romanticize the colonial era: you are part of the problem. Your defeatist attitudes waste resources and perpetuate a cycle of negativity. Stop glorifying the past and start fighting for true independence-for a nation free from both foreign and domestic oppression.
Hello Shehzad. I have seen only the first 20 minutes of this podcast and would like to make a few comments on what I have seen so far. Adeel Afzal's views about independence, the partition, the Two Nation Theory and the actions taken by the Muslim League in the two decades preceding the partition are very popular among young intellectuals these days. Some of them resonate with the views you had expressed at the Black Hole in Islamabad also. I feel these views are well-intentioned and espouse very noble thoughts. However, I feel they are affected by a logical fallacy called 'Presentism'. In this fallacy one views and passes judgement on past events, beliefs and practices etc. through the lens of one's own times, morals, and ideology without knowing or factoring in the conditions, prejudices, ideologies etc. prevalent at the time those events took place. Therefore, one doesn't examine and judge those things in the context in which they took place. For this reason they appear strange, even evil, when viewed in one's present day context, which might be (and usually is) totally different from the context prevailing in that phase in history. In this regard I would like to say that the theories and principles that were in play during the Pakistan Movement were those that the people of that time adopted considering their circumstances, thoughts, fears, and aspirations, in light of the ground realities existing at that time. We might say (and we could be right) that those theories or actions gave birth the mayhem we face today. We make these assertions because we have actually seen their consequences and because we have the benefit of hindsight. The people living in those momentous times were acting in a way they thought most appropriate to safeguard the best interests of their community in their own circumstances. They had not seen the consequences of their action, nor did they have the benefit of hindsight. Therefore, we should give them the benefit of the doubt and accept that they did what they did with the best of intentions and it was right according to their time and circumstances. At the time these events were unfolding they would not even be aware that seven or eight decades after these events, some individuals who did not witness those events and have no understanding of the circumstances in which they occurred will declare them wrong. Hence, they should have refrained from taking those actions so that people do not criticize them 75-80 years later. I hope Adeel also sees this comment.
We can compare their decisions to what was happening in India, or what was being said by critics of the time. If they had the foresight that the decision makers lacked then it is more than fair to criticize the decisions. And even that is not the case it is still fair to criticize people for taking decisions without factoring in the consequences of their decisions.
@@ThePakistanExperience The 1920s, 30s and 40s were turbulent times in India. The equilibrium that was in place between the British and the various communities since India was created a Crown Colony was going to be disturbed upon the departure of the British. Whenever major changes take place and the whole dynamics of a region change, chaos is unleashed. People and communities try their best to protect themselves, and secure maximum benefits for themselves. The same thing happened in India also. Different interest groups emerged, each wanting concessions, and maximum benefits. Two major parties emerged: the Indian National Congress, and the All-India Muslim League. There were other parties in the fray also, but these were the major players. They represented different sections of society. It is true the Hindus and Muslims had lives together for thousands of years. Even though Muslims had always been a minority in India, a power dynamic had evolved between the two communities. Some contributing factors were Muslim rulers and Hindu noblemen, Muslim nawabs/landowners and their Hindus generals and soldiers. There were some areas where Muslims were more influential, while Hindus wielded influence in others. Later on, both communities became subservient to the British. That dynamic would change once India gained independence, and before independence the form of government that seemed most likely in the to be independent country was democracy. The Muslims became apprehensive of losing all clout, especially after the experience of Congress led government of 1937. They were the ones who had lived with the other community, and they would be the ones to live in the aftermath of independence. They are the ones who felt apprehensive, and you can’t fault them for trying to protect their interests. Their apprehensions were strong enough for a major part of the Muslim community to support the Muslim League. True, there were many Muslims who opposed what the Muslim League stood for and they supported the Congress. But support for the Muslim League among the Muslims of the Sub-continent was sufficient for it to have achieved its objective. Mind you, these were the people who were on the ground living through those experiences; we weren’t there. We have no idea what they were going through or what drove them. The two Nation Theory was not invented by the Muslim League. It had been invented much earlier, i.e., 1907 in Lahore by the Hindu Mahasabha. Their rallying cry was “Hindu, Hindi, Hindustan’. The Congress also talked about the Majority and the Minority Communities. A workable formula was agreed between the Congress and the Muslim League in 1916 under the Lucknow Pact. However, it never got implemented in full. Muslim League pressed for its implementation consistently. The Two Nation Theory espoused by the Muslim League talked about the political reality of the people living in India. It never talked about the freedom to pray and fast and the right to organise qawwali nights but about the political divisions and more representation in assemblies and government. The Muslim League had also agreed to the Cabinet Plan in 1946, which would have meant no Pakistan but more opportunities and representation in a confederal India. So, it is not right to accuse them of religious bigotry. As far as looking at criticism by contemporaries is concerned, yes, it would be there. Every ideology has its supporters and detractors. The supporters would argue in favour, and the opponents would oppose it. As with any ideology or any human undertaking there would be both good and bad in the Muslim League’s stance too. But the thing is, whether with all its flaws it was able to achieve its objectives or not? Whether in spite of its flaws it managed to create a country in which Muslims could be masters of their destiny, whether good or bad? They should not be faulted if people coming after them couldn’t build on their achievement. So, even if according to you the founding fathers were wrong, the state of Pakistan is a fait accompli, and we can’t undo partition, the more important question should be: how best to make it livable? How to improve its current state? Another interesting question would be if today’s intellectuals were living in that era, and had not been exposed to the virtue signalling, progressive ideas and morals of the second decade of the 21st century, which side of the divide would they have chosen?
I think Pakistan should celebrate Pakistan formation day not Independence Day .. most ppl are confused did they get independence from India or British 🤦♀️
Man Canada has soooooo many issues ! Healthcare , rent , inflation etc never ending . Yes they have no shelters plus people are living together despite the abuse because they can’t survive financially to live separately. But definitely as a woman I prefer to live in Canada than in Pakistan .
About to write same
Healthcare, Rent, Inflation arent issues in Pakistan?..Lol privledged elites are so out of touch with reality, comparing a $1500 per captia Country with a $45000 developed country..😂
40:10 Seems like he knows nothing about, you don't get thrown on the streets in Canada ever. If you lose your job there is Employment Insurance, there is other forms of government support, education, healthcare is free. I seriously think he's being paid to say this nonsense by the establishment.
@@lanoklom9697 same here it is increasingly apparent that this channel and it's guests are what's called 'controlled opposition'.
@@lanoklom9697 while that guy is making sound a bit worse than it is, how can you say people don't get thrown on the streets? There's literal footage of homeless people living in tents on this guardian video released just 4 weeks ago: ruclips.net/video/txyjmNXcWiU/видео.html
Adeel beta, ask any minority how secure they feel in Pakistan. In this argument about Pakistan being better than Canada, I don’t agree with you. Basic healthcare and education are free there and we have pathetic examples of both here.
I agree 💯
Might is right is the way of whole society in Pakistan. For anyone in doubt about this you can just walk into any housing society in Karachi specially the ones where middle class is also living like on the outskirts of DHA Karachi. You just ask the middle/lower class residents how they are treated by the administration there and then compare it to the upper class in the same society .
You will have your answer that the apple is rotten to the core.
Delusional misinformed and plain stupid comparing oakistan with the west.
Basic healthcare and education is free in Pakistan too. Private education and healthcare is costly in Canada too. As a poor immigrant you get help in Canada well we also have benazir program. Keep your facts check 😂
Having worked in a government hospital I know very well about the situation. There was not even prescription pad for us yo write on. Lack of lab reagents, the list is quite long. As for government schools, please go to one and asess.
Health care and education is free there yes which sounds great but its managed terribly in Canada and even the US, I'm not saying we're perfect but the pakistani system of going about with patients is way better than Canadian or American system which has alot of insurance involved and usually you have to wait a very long time for approvals of documents and insurance to actually get major surgeries done, which at times can worsen the patients condition and this is coming from someone who has faced this issue. Even within the UK its notorious that patients have to wait weeks to actually get appointments from general physicians. I'm sure the treatment itself is better however alot goes on behind the scenes for a simple surgery or appointment to be made.
Adeel Blink twice if you are held hostage 😂
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He has always spoken sense and logic, but I have no idea what happened to him beginning 40:10
I am from India and my 3 close family members moved back to India from Canada. Believe me, they are very happy in India. Both husband and wife are earning in lakhs. Living in a good society and having a househelp.
I bet Househelp would prefer to live in Canada..🤣, thats the whole point.
@@junaid_2107That's true what you just commented
@@SurajSharma-be2kd "Living in Good society and having househelp"... Lol South Asians are totally blind, In Canada if a rich white person says this sentence these people will cry racism but they are incapable of how they treat their own majority population ie. (Poor People).
@@junaid_2107 These people are so blinded by nationalism, that they literally deny facts. Canada is absolutely better. 😂
@shehzad Rabbi Shergill is my neighbour, and I vouch that he is one of the best and most solved person I have ever met. His knowledge about Indian subcontinent history is extensive and a very good listener.
Humara pyar Rabbi bhai ko ❤️
Infact Unko bolayn please podcast par aayai ❤️
@ThePakistanExperience It is a great idea. Please send your contact number. Will pass it to him asap. Also, if he agrees, will pass his contact info to you.
Thepakistanexperience@gmail.com
I saw him live in Karachi in 2003 or 2004 in an indo pak peace conference. Is a great childhood memory
Love this talk about western countries and their hypocrisy while sitting in Pakistan. None are perfect but life for vast majority is much better in America than in Pakistan. Looking from the lense of upper middle class Pakistani is not the same as anyone below that. There is no law and order in Pakistan. Quality of life is no where close. Please don't misguide people.
Yeah, they don't think about the millions whose homes were destroyed in 2022 floods.
The police has never shot any one for carrying a wallet in Pakistan.
Poor people have shit lives everywhere.
عدیل صاحب میں کینیڈا میں رہتی ہوں۔۔۔۔پچھلے 21 سال سے ۔۔۔۔ یہاں جتنی protection ہے کسی انسان کی کے آپ سوچ بھی نہیں سکتے ۔۔۔۔ کہیں visit کرنے میں اور کہیں رہنے میں زمین آسمان کا فرق ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ ایک غریب آدمی بھی سکون سے رہ سکتا ہے ۔۔۔۔ جو homeless لوگ آپ کو نظر آتے ہیں وہ drug addiction کے لوگ ہوتے ہیں اور government ان کو جگہ دیتی ہے رہنے کے لیے لیکن وہ وہاں رہتے نہیں ہیں کیونکہ ان کو وہاں rules کو follow کرنا پڑتا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔ آپ کے پاس روزگار نہیں تو government کی طرف سے الاؤنس ملتا ہے ۔۔۔۔ کرایہ دار کو آپ نکال نہیں سکتے ۔۔۔۔۔ کتنی باتیں ہیں بتانے کی ۔۔۔۔۔ کیا بات کر رہے ہیں آپ ۔۔۔۔ مسلے مسائل ہر جگہ ہوتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔ ہم US میں بھی 5 سال رہیں ہیں۔۔۔۔۔ HEALTH care آپ کو kill کر دیتی ہے ۔۔۔۔
The current situation in Canada is challenging, especially for new migrants. It takes about 7 to 10 years for newcomers to properly settle and find decent salaried work. Most recent migrants are students who don't have family support and live in terrible conditions. They don't really have free healthcare either, as they aren't Canadian citizens yet, so they must buy health insurance, which can cost $100 to $200 a month. If you move to Canada from a lower-middle-class background, you might find it a lot better than Pakistan, but if you're from an upper-middle-class background, you'll likely have second thoughts about why you even moved. The first four years here will be filled with stress, anxiety, and depression.
Perfect 3:00 AM podcast. Make this your own genre. Talking to your guests while almost falling asleep.
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Lots of respect and Admiration for you both.
From an avid listener based in Brampton Canada.
Clearing a lot of Dundas Shehzad Bhai
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There are only two channels in Pakistan that are doing a great job: yours and Raftar. I only watch these two because the others seem to keep people in a fantasy world. Since I stopped watching those, I've been learning a lot of new things from both of your channels.
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Just me or does a ghost move my plastic cup 39:40 to 40:33? 🙈🙈🙈🙈
Wow. Crazy
I think Sahil adeem tagoot did this😂
Saadi peerni di phook 😂😂😂
Fan or AC may be .......or may be you are possessed or about to.
Pookie ...daro Mt 😊
Whatever Adeel commented abt life in Canada (these days) is 100% true. if u lose ur job, u will be totaly broke. can become homeless, will go in deep depression coz of helplessness.
No relief from Govt. Cannot survive & he is right homelessness is increasing byfold coz immigrants not able to afford v.high rents & mortgages. Govt is not doing anything abt it 😢
its becoming like a 3rd world country for low income & new immigrants.
Why Government of Canada pay for Pakistani kafir if unemployed?
As if in Paskistanis dont go broke if they lose their job in Pakistan..😂, Per capita homeless and beggars are way more in $1500 per Capita Pakistan compared ro $45000 per capita Canada.
@@junaid_2107 i was endorsing what He said abt life in Canada these days. no comparision
@@hamidpk I live in Canada. If you over leverage yourself and mortgage on a house you cannot afford and then expect govt. to bail you out. My man you deserve to become homeless. In any country if you make stupid financial decisions like this you will become homeless. Low income people in 3rd world are far worse off than those in Canada, in Pakistan you are bonded labor/slave labor. Adeel is very dumb, Even Shehzad was cringing at his statements.
@@hamidpk please come back to Pakistan
Love your enthusiasm Adeel, but I have to agree with Shehzad on the issues in discussion about Canada/Pakistan. The shelters may not be enough in Canada but the definition of domestic violence is different in both countries. A woman is safer at 3 am in Canada than 6 pm at liberty market. Lived experience in four countries as a single woman!
Also you have a home in Melbourne too. Please visit Australia both Adeel and Shehzad.
Tbh Canada is still good if you able to migrate into relatively rural or less populated places like rural Alberta & Saskatchewan etc.
Sir , plz request adeel bhai to talk on ind-pak history as he done before.
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Aik mahina canada main reh kr you cant comment or compare the economies or society. Canada offers alot more than just healthcare and education. Shahzed is correct that social security in Canada is far better than in Pakistan.
Stick to your poetry adeel bhai.
Sawan k andhe ko hra hi dikhta hai hr jgah
What's the normal ER waiting in canadian cities?
This man exposed the Dark Reality of Western country
But still people are dying to go there....
the thing i like about podcast with adeel bhai is whenever adeel bhai try to be philosophical shahzad bhai k anadr ka comedian jgh jata ha 😂
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I Always wait for Adeel Afzal’s podcast. A true gem
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Wahan bhe DHA hai. That was hilarious 😂
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Adeel is so confused about Canada. Shehzad is clear in this topic.
You boys are always amazing. My brother lives in Brampton, they have halal meat lovers pizza yaar. Canadian govt gave Emnesty to many many afghan refugees too, just thought to refresh your memory, every country comes with their challenges, I’ve cancer, if i lived in Pakistan it would had been a nightmare to get treatment in my condition but in America govt is helping me pay for it. I lost my brother to cancer in Pakistan 11 yrs ago because the physicians there weren’t ready to listen and wouldn’t treat him until we out money upfront.
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Agree with Shehzad, about living in Canada/US. Its hard to live if you lose job or broke as compared to if you are in Pakistan, due to cost of living.
However, in Pakistan you are treated as third degree citizen anyways. You are at least treated as human and feel safe mostly in US/Canada.
Adeel....great observations... I completely agree with you.. I have been here for a decade. Can't agree more
Yeh middle class ki baat nhi kr rhy. Mai masters kr k pakistan mai 50 hazar kamata tha ghr rent ka tha sari zindagi ghari nhi ly skta tha acha kha pi nhi skta tha. Acha medical afford nhi kr skta tha. Covid k bd job chali gai. 2022 mai Uk aya ho Allah ka shukar h minimum wage mai bhi achi life guzr rhy hum yaha. West main hazar buriya hain likin yaha aty sath apni ghari ly skty ho. Minimum income main ap acha guzra kr skty hain. Aur apko protection bhi hoti h haar trha ki apko koi kidnap nhi krta apko koi road per Maa behan ko nhi cherta aurtain protected hain wo jobs kr skti hain ghr ko support kr skti hain. Beshak pakistan apna mulk h no doubt apna culture hai likin waha ik lower middle class bnda survive hi nhi kr skta. Apka boss apko exploit nhi krta labour laws strong hain. Mazhab k naam per apko koi qatal nhi krta , pakistan mai life tb achi h jb ap lakho kamaty ho.
Adeel is out of his mind the way he talks about Canada. Absolutely ridiculous. Loved Shehzad's replies.
Health care is shit in canada. Is it free? Yes.
But people die in emergency rooms… why ? Because the best case scenario is 7 hours wait…for emergency…. And don’t get me started on doctors and appointments. It took me 6 months to get neurologist’s appointment for an issue that was described as vital. And then another 4 months for just an MRI
@@shamankaur-m5t return to Pakistan please
@@shamankaur-m5t why this ID? Why maintain anonymity?
@@sarahkhan3711 he won't return. That's the thing I don't understand, we r dying to go abroad and once we r there we criticize that country too but still we never come back.
Couple of things….
I am a she… not he..and i am from India.
The only reason that’s keeping me in Canada is that as a woman i am more secure, independent and safe in canada. I don’t like living here at all. If someone wants to leave any South Asian country, they really should. But just an advice, don’t come to Canada. Choose another country. People of Canada are moving away from Canada because of economy and all of the things Adeel noticed. Everyone deserves to live in a country where they are treated with equal respect and opportunities, regardless of their gender, religion, race and caste. Canada is that place but that doesn’t mean it’s a heaven and all is shiny and happy here. Just saying, if someone wishes to start their life in a different country, choose something with better economic situation and where you can afford a home. Because now in Canada, good luck buying a home👍. You can’t afford it, unless you have been living here for 15 years.
But i hope things get better. Government is trying to make it right.
And i know people who have moved back to India merely because of health care. I had to go to India for medical reasons. It sucks that the country you live in can’t provide you healthcare care when you need it. It is a big problem. Mainly because they don’t have enough healthcare workers.
@Werchmant people have right to criticize the country they live in and government that is serving them. I had a terrible experience with healthcare here. As a resident, i have every right to criticize and ask questions about things i pay for with my Tax. What do you expect? Ask no questions? Say nothing Just because i immigrated here for better opportunities and living standards? Should I be grateful for it? Sure! I am. But not critique it’s bad things? Nah! I am living here. Paying tax. I will criticize. And then give chance to government to fix it. That’s how any country excels and maintain their living standards.
WTF was this conversation about.
It was great to hear about Asma, Arshad, and Mosaic...
It was Arshad Mahmood who brought me to Pakistan Experience. One of the very few podcasts I watch and learn from.
All the best.
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Don't be too harsh on yourself. You are a very young country and will take few more decades to find correct path, if not more. Even your history is no older then 77yrs, as before that, it was someone else's history, which you don't own.
77 years granted may not be long enough when it comes to a country,but it still is a long amount of time. We wouldn't be this negative if we had any hopes of betterment. Living here is like being stuck in the past. Nothing gets improved, empty promises by the politicians, hate crimes, street crimes are rampant. Inflation is booming, jobs are scarce and the ones which are available offer pathetic salaries which don't even cover the commute from home to workplace and vice versa. Broken roads, no gas, high petrol prices, extremely high electricity bills along with load shedding,Water issues and so on. As an 18 year old, who hasn't seen any improvement in these 2 decades, I am hopeless of this nation and it's people. It's like we don't deserve happiness. So yeah, it's easy to say that don't lose hope, but it's harder to believe in it.
Very good to talk about western hypocrisy
Insane ....you guys are hilarious ... shahzad last two minutes were insane😂😂😂 pait main dard ho gaya
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1:03:17 That is exactly why your school friends last the longest.
Adeel has spent only a month in Canada and he's passing his opinion like an expert on current domestic situation of US and Canada which is misjudged. Not his fault as it's just based on his brief exposure to Canadian society.
Canada is trying to do major efforts to reconcile with the natives and indigenous people..
This message is now read at many public events. It reads like this.
For example:
Land Acknowledgement for Toronto
We acknowledge the land we are meeting on is the traditional territory of many nations including the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishnabeg, the Chippewa, the Haudenosaunee and the Wendat peoples and is now home to many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples. We also acknowledge that Toronto is covered by Treaty 13 with the Mississaugas of the Credit.
It is just a beginning.
I met the guest a reading at Mosaic and respectfully felt that he has limited observation on which he speculates on General.
Love you shehzad for this work....more power to you❤
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Adeel bhai, we imported millions of brown students over last few years. Ukrainian are salt in aata sir.
There are so many well-to-do Indians in the USA and Canada coming back to India because of exactly the reasons that Adeel Afzal has exposed.
Adeel bhai is love❤❤❤
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You have to wait for hours in Canada to get treatment in emergency case.
Alhamdullilah Pakistani
Yaaaar Shehzad ending was epic ❤😂😂😂😂 love your content ❤❤
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Love the guest but can't stand host ... how to watch this without host voice?
@thepakistanexperience - Shehzad , you are quite the night owl... your intellect, pagalpanti and shayari is directly proportional to the lateness (and darkness) of the hour. lage raho bhai
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Most desi food business in Canada owners are from Karachi specially in Toronto markham and Scarborough
Adeel's point that you'll be on the road if you lose your job is right.
But if you have a job, it's still better than Pakistan.
Also Shehzad, health service free hai but delivery of these services is delayed by months which can be life and death in many cases.
Pakistan ka prime content hona chahiye "Chaddar Badal" aur "Palangtod". What better way to discover Pakistan.
I love Adeel but I disagree with him. I live in Canada and for now he doesn't have a full understanding of life in Canada.
Shahzad gave example of how expensive AKU is for healthcare. Mind you that is the most expensive hospital of Pakistan where 99% of Pakistanis can't even think of going. Come and see the healthcare system of Punjab (which has many problems i know) but it is a life saver for lower middle class and lower class. Health care needs a lot of improvement but it is not like there isn't a social security net. School on the other hands are grave. Govt. colleges (1st year to 4th year) are much better.
i really love shehzad ghayas itni serious baato ma b itni funny baat kar jatay ha
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Your frequencies didn't match in this podcast. Adeel was very serious and you tried to come up with thandi jugats and he didn't seem to like it neither did I. An honest review but i may be wrong.
Thanks
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What are AA exact qualifications? I mean is he a historian or analyst? Writer/actor? Just for information, I have never been sure..
Shehzad bhai zara 4,5 achay career counselors aur educationalists ko zara podcast pe bulain because there is a lot of confusion amongst student regarding their career choices and they need clearilty especially student who have just passed their intermediate exams and are confused about their university and fields
1:01:52 legendary line :D
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26:17 "Japanese bhi khola hua hai but thora blur aa raha hai" 😂😂🤣
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Blurred Japanese Content / Teabagging you are Legend bro. You shoud've mention Brampton Wallio Car rental girl though.😅😅😅😂
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Yaar I wanted to. Was thinking about it too phir topic change hogaya
The comparison between Canada and Pakistan is ignoring the working class in Pakistan. The guest says in Pakistan, you won't become homeless in a month. Is he aware of what happened in goths on super highway? Has he ever seen the homeless living under bridges in Karachi? He is a well spoken guy but he like many overseas and upper class Pakistanis they forget the pains of working class. Like how people (not the guest) glorify "everyone has househelp in Pakistan" jaisay ke househelp is some robot devoid of feelings and needs.
I eagerly wait for your podcasts everyday. Keep up the good work and keep adding more to our knowledge. Love u Shahzad Bhai.
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Ye sahi hai! Baat mashriq se shuru karo sath hi junoob murr jao aur agle choak pe kaho chalo gharte. Talk should be topic coherent.
'20:35 obviously, almost every piece of technology whether it be the printing press, loud speaker, video, or social media has been used by religious people more than anyone else'
I live in UK. I think adeel bhai is absolutely right. Shehzaad bhai ap ko fresh analysis ky lye atleast visit krna chahye.
First of congratulations to you Pakistanis on getting Olympic gold it's a historic achievement and please continue that effort so that we see more medalist from your country and I hope from my country india. I hope you host champions trophy and we will get to see india vs Pakistan at lahore stadium. Love from india.
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Arey bhai , control 😆
Emotions mein kya kya bol rahe ho .
Champions trophy is still far away , Dilli dur ast
Political situation of pakistan is volatile and might not be conducive to host the tournament
Recently, the largest student work visas were issued to Indians.
Canada is a capitalist society. Some political parties try to temper capitalist excesses to some extent.
While the guest visited Brampton, he should have made an effort to meet NDP workers. The leader of this party has been. Sikh. This party is considered to be the conscience of Canadian politics. The party of social justice. It has governed several provinces and as official opposition in the parliament....
Interesting discussion.....on Canada two things decide your life ....your work authorizationstatus ...takes about 5-7 years to get naturalization...average. oostof living is 5K CAD that too hand to mouth...
Adeel bhai ❤❤❤❤❤ ka humesha intezar rehta hai
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Adeeel really wanted to go home 🤣🤣
Genuine question.. Why do pakistanis refer Bangladeshis (nationality) as Bangali (ethnicity).
I respectfully disagree with Adeel on the topic where he argues that life in Pakistan is better than abroad. As an international student living in Australia, I cannot fully comment on life in Canada, but I want to point out that the quality of life is significantly better abroad than in Pakistan. Especially as a resident of Karachi, I felt that my life had no value, anyone could shoot you for a wallet or a phone. As a woman, there was always the looming threat of becoming another rape statistic. I am a graduate of a well-known business school in Karachi, yet I was stuck in a toxic corporate culture where my DGM would tell me it was time for me to get married or comment on the color of my lipstick. I felt unsafe ALL THE TIME.
I am not suggesting that there are no crimes or issues here, but I can support myself by working part time at a fuel station overnight, and I do not feel unsafe. I walked 40 minutes home at 11 p.m., and I wasn't scared of walking on the streets at night. I'm more afraid of ghosts at night than of humans here.
People do not need to be graduates of a specific university to be respected. You can be a high school dropout working as a server and still financially support yourself without anyone looking down on you for just being a waiter.
Racism and healthcare issues exist, every country has its problems, but that does not take away from the fact that one is treated as a human being here in first world countries.
Canada did massive immigration opening for Syrians, Iraqis and others.
Muslim women are protected by the Charter, Law, Society, and Judiciary...
That’s why it’s turning into a dumpster fire
34:35 encounter specialist 😂
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I live in canada and whatever adeel said is absolutely correct about canada. And shehzaad pls yrrr jabliyaa ghat maarya krr jinu bulaaya ohnu pura boln deya krr . Gal na vich katya krr. Its advice bro
Pakistan Demographic change since 1947 to 2024
What adeel is saying is true , there are lot of problems in west but only those who live on sustenance wages here know the truth, I am not saying it's worse than Pakistan but situation isn't rosy as it seems esepcially in Canada post covid, thier economy is stuck for past 10 years with same GDP per capita and taking in too many immigrants recently has created a housing & job problem. Single payer system like Canada's sucks big time , many people die waiting for surgeries and many people are not able to find an apppointment with PCP . In US if you don't pay th medicall bill , no one is going to come after you from collection agencies esepcially if you live in liberal states and you can negotiate the medical bills with agencies as they get sold over multiple times to other debtors.
Shehzad you are too funny 😆
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Yar shezad I like your comedy special in the last podcast
'48:47 dear if someone blamed the 'qom' if this country for what the rulers been doing, you would have objected right? This is the problem, when it comes to our people, we say that awam ka kasur nai hai, but when it comes to others, we dont want to distinguish between the average person and the rulers'
Pakistan was born on 15th August 1947, not liberated. When Pakistan's history is not taught properly to its people, how this country can progress.
Chequered Past Uncertain Future The Story of Pakistan by Tahir Kamran is a fairly good book
Adeel jaisay log pakistan mai hi sai hain the outside world is too advanced for him lol
Shehzad Bhai honestly bat krun ek aj???
"This guy JB ye serious hota hai baat krta hai Dil krta hug kr Le bnda issay
But JB light minded r hnstay hnstay baat kre ga to smjo he will destroy you in every minute
Probably the MEANEST guy on the planet"
Meri observation hai
May be right may be wrong but main ne to ye observe kia
R ye baat shehzad Bhai AP k Liye hai guest k Liye ni
Meanest toh nahee hoon boss us say pehley tak theek hay 😂
@@ThePakistanExperience Bhai jis bnday ko lgta hai na k mere se zyada dark humor koi ni hona Kisi ka .... Wo JB end level pe puhnche ga to samnay revolving chair pe Shehzad Ghias betha VA Hoga 🤭🤭🤭
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I have no idea what adeel is talking about. I am a Canadian for more than 20 years and we are way ahead in terms of being a socialist society. You get shelter, free healthcare, free education. You have to live here to assimilate and understand this society instead of always complaining about back home being better. You are just home sick.
Actually the thing is about which part of society u r when u immigrated.
If u r from the lower middle class then it feels better in Canada.
If u r from the upper middle class then it feels like shit going to Canada cuz u have to work your way from the bottom while knowing u were much better in Pakistan.
@@Werchmant i come from a pretty afluent class. The thing is if you have been lazy all your life and expect others to take care of you, then you would hate Canada. If you actually enjoy doing any hard work you would love to reap the benefits here. You would also hate it if you don't believe in equality for humans, and think that there should be a entitlement and a class difference. I feel like a lot of people hate Canada because they are just not able to abuse the Canadian system as much as they did back in Pakistan.
@@Sid-fi1mc yes true but then don't forget when u go to Canada the locals there don't see u as there own. The locals there hate that we 3rd world immigrants r coming there and leeching off of there legal aid. So there is still a bit of class difference and the locals there will quite often remind u that u r not one of there's. There will always be a class difference wherever you go.
That's why Indian there have built a strong community and have a monopoly.
Pakistani on the other hand r selfish and divided therefore once u land there u r pretty much on your own and it's a hard struggle from the bottom and if u were from the upper middle class u will really face alot of struggle when comparing to your life in Pakistan.
But yes overall u can't compare Pakistan and Canada they r miles apart in development.
Adeel Afzal Intellectual ❤ hy Masha Allah. son of Punjab
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Everything is visible. Until people starve they don’t really protest. That doesn’t happen.
you should do this types of show to
Canada main halaat kharaab hain for someone who came years ago. Just came a few months ago and Pakistan se tou 100 times behtar hai. (I came from privilege and stable job in Pak and still think so).
Sir I’m a huge fan. Love your jolly personality. Man your a fun guy
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@@ThePakistanExperience yessss you replied yay
40:55 First generation immigrants will always have a tough life no matter where they move.
Mohabbat is subjective!! Humain toh apne ap se mohabbat nahi kisi aur se khak ho gi!!
Well both of the guys had absolutely immature conversation about “ Mohabaat”😂
The host just wont listen to the guest!! Let him speak first!! Adeel is absolutely spot on about Canada...
Independence is something we must continuously fight for, not just celebrate. We won our freedom from the British, so why are we still shackled by feudal lords and corrupt elites? What good is independence if the same oppressive systems remain intact?
Remember the Bengal famine-who decided the fate of millions? It was Churchill, who didn’t care about the suffering. Today, even though we’re independent, we still face wars and conflicts that don’t serve our interests. If we were still under British rule, we’d be fighting their wars-whether in Afghanistan, Africa, or Ukraine. Our independence means we’re no longer puppets of foreign powers, yet the injustice continues, just from different hands.
To those so-called intellectuals who romanticize the colonial era: you are part of the problem. Your defeatist attitudes waste resources and perpetuate a cycle of negativity. Stop glorifying the past and start fighting for true independence-for a nation free from both foreign and domestic oppression.
56:14 Shahzaad Simpson Predicting Karsaaz
Wow
Hello Shehzad. I have seen only the first 20 minutes of this podcast and would like to make a few comments on what I have seen so far. Adeel Afzal's views about independence, the partition, the Two Nation Theory and the actions taken by the Muslim League in the two decades preceding the partition are very popular among young intellectuals these days. Some of them resonate with the views you had expressed at the Black Hole in Islamabad also.
I feel these views are well-intentioned and espouse very noble thoughts. However, I feel they are affected by a logical fallacy called 'Presentism'. In this fallacy one views and passes judgement on past events, beliefs and practices etc. through the lens of one's own times, morals, and ideology without knowing or factoring in the conditions, prejudices, ideologies etc. prevalent at the time those events took place.
Therefore, one doesn't examine and judge those things in the context in which they took place. For this reason they appear strange, even evil, when viewed in one's present day context, which might be (and usually is) totally different from the context prevailing in that phase in history.
In this regard I would like to say that the theories and principles that were in play during the Pakistan Movement were those that the people of that time adopted considering their circumstances, thoughts, fears, and aspirations, in light of the ground realities existing at that time.
We might say (and we could be right) that those theories or actions gave birth the mayhem we face today. We make these assertions because we have actually seen their consequences and because we have the benefit of hindsight. The people living in those momentous times were acting in a way they thought most appropriate to safeguard the best interests of their community in their own circumstances. They had not seen the consequences of their action, nor did they have the benefit of hindsight. Therefore, we should give them the benefit of the doubt and accept that they did what they did with the best of intentions and it was right according to their time and circumstances.
At the time these events were unfolding they would not even be aware that seven or eight decades after these events, some individuals who did not witness those events and have no understanding of the circumstances in which they occurred will declare them wrong. Hence, they should have refrained from taking those actions so that people do not criticize them 75-80 years later.
I hope Adeel also sees this comment.
We can compare their decisions to what was happening in India, or what was being said by critics of the time. If they had the foresight that the decision makers lacked then it is more than fair to criticize the decisions.
And even that is not the case it is still fair to criticize people for taking decisions without factoring in the consequences of their decisions.
@@ThePakistanExperience The 1920s, 30s and 40s were turbulent times in India. The equilibrium that was in place between the British and the various communities since India was created a Crown Colony was going to be disturbed upon the departure of the British.
Whenever major changes take place and the whole dynamics of a region change, chaos is unleashed. People and communities try their best to protect themselves, and secure maximum benefits for themselves.
The same thing happened in India also. Different interest groups emerged, each wanting concessions, and maximum benefits. Two major parties emerged: the Indian National Congress, and the All-India Muslim League. There were other parties in the fray also, but these were the major players. They represented different sections of society.
It is true the Hindus and Muslims had lives together for thousands of years. Even though Muslims had always been a minority in India, a power dynamic had evolved between the two communities. Some contributing factors were Muslim rulers and Hindu noblemen, Muslim nawabs/landowners and their Hindus generals and soldiers. There were some areas where Muslims were more influential, while Hindus wielded influence in others. Later on, both communities became subservient to the British.
That dynamic would change once India gained independence, and before independence the form of government that seemed most likely in the to be independent country was democracy. The Muslims became apprehensive of losing all clout, especially after the experience of Congress led government of 1937.
They were the ones who had lived with the other community, and they would be the ones to live in the aftermath of independence. They are the ones who felt apprehensive, and you can’t fault them for trying to protect their interests. Their apprehensions were strong enough for a major part of the Muslim community to support the Muslim League. True, there were many Muslims who opposed what the Muslim League stood for and they supported the Congress. But support for the Muslim League among the Muslims of the Sub-continent was sufficient for it to have achieved its objective. Mind you, these were the people who were on the ground living through those experiences; we weren’t there. We have no idea what they were going through or what drove them.
The two Nation Theory was not invented by the Muslim League. It had been invented much earlier, i.e., 1907 in Lahore by the Hindu Mahasabha. Their rallying cry was “Hindu, Hindi, Hindustan’. The Congress also talked about the Majority and the Minority Communities. A workable formula was agreed between the Congress and the Muslim League in 1916 under the Lucknow Pact. However, it never got implemented in full. Muslim League pressed for its implementation consistently. The Two Nation Theory espoused by the Muslim League talked about the political reality of the people living in India. It never talked about the freedom to pray and fast and the right to organise qawwali nights but about the political divisions and more representation in assemblies and government. The Muslim League had also agreed to the Cabinet Plan in 1946, which would have meant no Pakistan but more opportunities and representation in a confederal India. So, it is not right to accuse them of religious bigotry.
As far as looking at criticism by contemporaries is concerned, yes, it would be there. Every ideology has its supporters and detractors. The supporters would argue in favour, and the opponents would oppose it.
As with any ideology or any human undertaking there would be both good and bad in the Muslim League’s stance too. But the thing is, whether with all its flaws it was able to achieve its objectives or not? Whether in spite of its flaws it managed to create a country in which Muslims could be masters of their destiny, whether good or bad?
They should not be faulted if people coming after them couldn’t build on their achievement.
So, even if according to you the founding fathers were wrong, the state of Pakistan is a fait accompli, and we can’t undo partition, the more important question should be: how best to make it livable? How to improve its current state?
Another interesting question would be if today’s intellectuals were living in that era, and had not been exposed to the virtue signalling, progressive ideas and morals of the second decade of the 21st century, which side of the divide would they have chosen?
Another angle would be Mohabat aur zid mein farq karna seekhen ❤
Good work Shehzad bhai, love you ♥️
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I think Pakistan should celebrate Pakistan formation day not Independence Day .. most ppl are confused did they get independence from India or British 🤦♀️
😂🤣I was looking forward to listen to Adeel Afzal but Shehzad's multiple one liners stole the show 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Two tables main mehandi k liyaaa lagaooo ga that’s was so hilarious 😅😂😂
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