A fascinating differential equation: when the 2nd derivative equals the inverse function

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Комментарии • 78

  • @lucasmichaudel1294
    @lucasmichaudel1294 Месяц назад +80

    This is very much incomplete as you assumed one form of solution but never showed it was the only possible one

    • @wychan7574
      @wychan7574 28 дней назад +17

      A general solution derived from solving the equation is not possible, so only a particular solution is conjectured and verified.

    • @gnhernandez
      @gnhernandez 27 дней назад +2

      And there is a theorem that says that a second order differential equation has 2 independent unique solutions. So if you find them you are good

    • @antarctic214
      @antarctic214 27 дней назад +17

      ​@@gnhernandez
      This does not apply here because we are not working with a linear ODE (the equation contains the inverse of the target function)

    • @oscarlam5381
      @oscarlam5381 26 дней назад

      Then he has to that it is not possible ​@wychan7574

  • @maklovitz
    @maklovitz Месяц назад +11

    1:58 you have to also check separate cases: B=0 and B=1, because after double derivative the form wont be x^(B-2)

    • @jonathanterry1983
      @jonathanterry1983 20 дней назад +1

      This is trivial: for b=0, f-inv(x) is undefined because it is a vertical line at x=a. For b=1,
      f-inv(x) = x/a = f''(x) = 0
      x/a = 0
      1/a = 0 (for all non-zero values of x) --> a is undefined

  • @insane_mind
    @insane_mind Месяц назад +21

    thanks for correcting that part

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад +9

      Thank you for pointing it out brother.
      SUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

  • @dexthefish96
    @dexthefish96 Месяц назад +1

    that was fun! your reasoning is clear and easy to follow. the whole process felt very natural.

  • @vitorbordini5246
    @vitorbordini5246 Месяц назад +6

    It would be interesting to generalize it,i.e,find a function f such that its n-th derivative is equal to its inverse

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад +9

      Someone has drafted a solution as part of a reply to another comment here.

  • @Loyis
    @Loyis Месяц назад +14

    Can't believe we got differential equations loss meme before GTA6

  • @Serghey_83
    @Serghey_83 Месяц назад +4

    Problem: y · y" = 1, where y = f(x)
    Solution:
    erfi(±√(ln(y) + α)) = √(2/π) · x · exp(α) + β,
    where α, β are constants & y = y(x).
    erfi(x) = 2 / √π · integral [0, x] exp(t²)dx

    • @poorgrammar3136
      @poorgrammar3136 25 дней назад +11

      f^(-1) is an inverse function, not 1/f

  • @stefanalecu9532
    @stefanalecu9532 Месяц назад +7

    Did you reupload this or what?

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад +10

      There was an error that needed fixing

  • @worldnotworld
    @worldnotworld Месяц назад +5

    Beautiful. Can we be sure these are the only solutions? I'm gonna try it with y=C1e^xC2... And it crashed in a hurry; you end up with a exponential function of x on one side and a logarithm on the other; no good at all. Still, might there be other classes of solutions? Is there any way of proving there are or there are not?

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад +4

      @@worldnotworld I'm not sure how to prove that the set of solutions I found is complete. But tbh I can't thing of any other functions that could work so the most rational thing to do is leave it to the viewer as an exercise 😂

    • @daliasprints9798
      @daliasprints9798 Месяц назад +3

      I would look for whether any general uniqueness theorems apply.

    • @worldnotworld
      @worldnotworld Месяц назад

      @@maths_505 I wonder whether linear combinations of the solutions you found, or more general polynomials with "weird" non-integer exponents, might work. But you're leaving this for me as an exercise, so wish me luck!

    • @worldnotworld
      @worldnotworld Месяц назад

      @@daliasprints9798 I don't know about those. Any pointers?

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад

      Perhaps weird looking functions could work. Not sure about linear combinations though since the equation is non linear.

  • @MathsScienceandHinduism
    @MathsScienceandHinduism 29 дней назад +2

    This is a famous one on YT

  • @MrWael1970
    @MrWael1970 Месяц назад +1

    Very cool. Thank you.

  • @NichaelCramer
    @NichaelCramer 27 дней назад +1

    Pretty nice, but it would be nice if there were a way to approach the solution in a more general way, for example if you didn’t know the starting facts (I.e. the facts about the characteristics of functions of power functions).
    But to be fair
    1] I realize it’s probably reasonable to assume that anyone who would realistically be trying to solve a problem like this could be expected to know those facts, and
    2] just about the only thing I remember from my differential equations class (all those many years ago), is that, once you get beyond completely trivia examples, it was almost always likely that a fair amount of clever/educated guessing would be involved…

  • @lol1991
    @lol1991 Месяц назад +15

    Still got the dad joke, cool

    • @tunistick8044
      @tunistick8044 Месяц назад +1

      does that mean that we have grown up? 😔😔

  • @Scientificus
    @Scientificus 28 дней назад

    what about f'' = -f^(-1) ?

  • @r4_in_space
    @r4_in_space 20 дней назад

    Ok, math wizard.

  • @aaronkaw4857
    @aaronkaw4857 Месяц назад +1

    Just rotate the negative sign.

  • @dr.aaqibiqbal2340
    @dr.aaqibiqbal2340 Месяц назад

    Which software are you using for writing ?

  • @aayushiajith.
    @aayushiajith. Месяц назад

    Where do u find a lot of questions

  • @aayushiajith.
    @aayushiajith. Месяц назад

    Where do u get these questions from

  • @rob876
    @rob876 Месяц назад

    Shouldn't the solution have 2 constants in it?

  • @andreisoceanu4320
    @andreisoceanu4320 21 день назад

    I did not quite understand why do we assume it is a polynomial function only

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  20 дней назад

      The derivatives of power functions are power functions. Likewise, the inverse of a power function is a power function.

  • @bozzisimone
    @bozzisimone Месяц назад +3

    D_n(f(x))=f^(-1)(x)

    • @deweiter
      @deweiter Месяц назад +4

      Assume f(x) is equal a*x^b. That means, that D_n(f(x)) = a * (b!/(b-n)!) * x^(b-n) and f^(-1)(x) = a^(-1/b) * x^(1/b). Therefore, b - n= 1/b and a * (b!/(b-n)!)=a^(-1/b). First is quadratic equation, which gives us b = n/2 ± sqqt(n^2+4)/2. Second one gives us a^(1+1/b)=b!/(b-n)! and, therefore, a = (b!/(b-n)!)^(1-1/(b+1))) Putting all that back in the function gives us f(x) = ( (n/2 ± sqrt(n^2+4)/2)! / (-n/2 ± sqrt(n^2+4)/2)! )^(1 - 1/(1 + n/2 ± sqrt(n^2+4))) * x^(n^2 ± sqrt(n^2+4))

  • @enthdegree
    @enthdegree 26 дней назад

    Is that the only solution??

  • @apnakaamkrelala
    @apnakaamkrelala Месяц назад +3

    Ohk cool feels like heaven now 😌🤌✨

  • @topquark22
    @topquark22 Месяц назад

    This is cool. But doesn't a 2nd order differential equation always have 2 free parameters (constants)?

    • @thomaspeck4537
      @thomaspeck4537 Месяц назад

      That is generally the case, but I would not expect that to necessarily apply when the inverse function is involved.

  • @CM63_France
    @CM63_France Месяц назад

    Hi,
    I aggree, linear combination wouldn't work here.
    "ok, cool" : 0:53 , 1:55 , 5:09 , 6:05 , 8:49 ,
    "terribly sorry about that" : 6:31 .

  • @GeraldPreston1
    @GeraldPreston1 Месяц назад +1

    bruh seriously that was my first first comment and you had to reupload

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад +1

      Sorry bro there was a pretty bad error there

  • @robertsandy3794
    @robertsandy3794 Месяц назад

    Now all you need is a root beer!

  • @mcalkis5771
    @mcalkis5771 Месяц назад

    Hmm. For this I gotta try to find some more solutions. They gotta exist.

  • @NonTwinBrothers
    @NonTwinBrothers 19 дней назад

    alpha hare

  • @insouciantFox
    @insouciantFox Месяц назад

    I thought the soln to x³-x-1=0 was the silver ratio

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад

      Nah bro it's the solution to x²-2x-1=0

  • @ozzymandius666
    @ozzymandius666 Месяц назад

    full of rooty goodness.

  • @juniorcyans2988
    @juniorcyans2988 Месяц назад

    Awesome🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @kingzenoiii
    @kingzenoiii Месяц назад

    oh my~

  • @mikecaetano
    @mikecaetano Месяц назад

    Break out the root beer!

  • @Nottherealbegula4
    @Nottherealbegula4 Месяц назад

    Rootful video

  • @Mario_Altare
    @Mario_Altare Месяц назад +5

    Third to like, first to see

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад +2

      That is quite interesting 😂

  • @ATYPICALJEEASPIRANT
    @ATYPICALJEEASPIRANT Месяц назад

    lmao it was enjoyable

  • @MatthisDayer
    @MatthisDayer Месяц назад

    ' = i

  • @GranHerrmanno
    @GranHerrmanno Месяц назад

    Ok cool 😂

  • @Hexer1985
    @Hexer1985 Месяц назад

    So in conclusion, you just made a guess and proved that it fits the initial condition.
    But the more interesting thing is: How did you know that your guess will is valid solution?
    I mean, guessing the solution and prove that in a RUclips video makes only sense if you know that the guessed result will work... So, you should have at least a basic idea what to look for based on the initial condition.
    Please explain how do you get there.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Месяц назад

      Rewatch the first couple minutes of the video, I explained exactly why a power function will work.

  • @worldnotworld
    @worldnotworld Месяц назад +1

    OK Kewl

  • @comdo777
    @comdo777 Месяц назад +1

    asnwer=1 isit

  • @manansharma9164
    @manansharma9164 Месяц назад

    First

  • @Player_is_I
    @Player_is_I Месяц назад

    Math on meth ✅

  • @jackkalver4644
    @jackkalver4644 Месяц назад

    I learned that a differential equation doesn’t have to have an infinite number of solutions.

    • @enthdegree
      @enthdegree 26 дней назад

      He didn't prove that, he made up this arbitrary family of functions and then chugged through some totally mechanical algebra to find a member of the family that solves it. Says nothing about the solutions in general

  • @victorbilyk5778
    @victorbilyk5778 Месяц назад +1

    Fascinating? Are you joking? Why don't you look for the first integral? Multiply both sides of the equation by f' and reduce it to the first order one, which is easily solvable in terms of quadratures.