Viewer Request - USS Voyager VS USS Prometheus - Both Ways - Star Trek Starship Battles
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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Today we have a request and it is to put the USS Voyager against the USS Prometheus.
Message in a bottle was my absolute favourite Voyager Episode.
The version of Voyager we are using is the Canon version and is slightly enhanced compared to the original Intrepid Class.
The USS Prometheus does come equipped with Quantum and Photon Torpedoes.
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The Prometheus managed to destroy a Romulan D'deridex class warbird, I don't think Voyager would stand a chance.
That was in Voyager though. They also had a shuttle that went infinite speed somehow.
And an infinite supply of torpedoes.
And shuttles.
@@mito-pb8qgThey proved that infinite speed through warp was a bad idea.
The torpedo supply could be through trade with other civilizations or through actually replicating them. It was never explained.
For the shuttles, we know that the crew of Voyager was able to build new shuttles from scratch. They did that at least 3 times during the show.
@@jonasklose6472at least 3 times?
The Defiant warp core was stated to output (4) times the power of a ship its size. So, believing that it had (3) separate warp cores that outputted absolutely immense power is not to far fetch.
The USS Prometheus disabled a Dominion war Nebula class and destroyed a Romulan Tal Shiar D'deridex ship in the episode "Message in a Bottle". This ship is really powerful. It's warp cores, while small, were extreamly powerful like the Defiant class's, remember when it went multi-vector assault mode against the Nebula class, this was done at high warp, almost its max speed. The Prometheus also had regenerative shielding and ablative armor. It's a mean little ship
You should keep the Prometheus unseparated and battle Voyager like that as well. See which way is faster.
this. I also feel the computer was not using the prometheus properly...
I’m not surprised Prometheus is superior. Though I’d like to see it again with you using Prometheus as one ship and not separated.
2:57 I always imagined that they could kinda stack together when the ship was in one piece, sectioning off and activating independent of each other when it split.
Great match bud. The results for this fight seemed accurate.
I too agree that I think this would have played out exactly like that in the real world. Yes the multi-vector assault mode can be devastating. I mean hell we saw it destroy a Romulan D'deridex Warbird.
The Prometheus would NOT have stood a chance against a transphasic torpedo. I think you did show that once and it just one shotted the Prometheus. I could be wrong but I could have sworn you did that once.
I too loved the episode Message In A Bottle. Seeing a new Starfleet ship. I could have sworn it was in DS9 too like in the Battle For Cardassia...not sure.
It wasn't the battle of Cardassian. It was in Endgame, part of the task force Admiral Paris called in when the transwarp conduit was detected -wow deja vu from armada
Yes! They should have replaced Neelix with the ECH: Emergency Caffeination Hologram.
ECH: "Please state the nature of your caffeination emergency."
Janeway: "Water is life, because without water, there is no coffee. And without coffee, I'll kill you all."
All the neelix hate ...
Bet Ethan lold all the way to the bank for 7 seasons 😂😂
@markmullins8622 I don't hate Neelix at all. I just think I would prefer the ECH. Hell, make the ECH a hologram of Neelix wearing a Starbucks uniform.🤣 or if you want it to be genuinely Intergalactically good coffee, then he should be wearing a Wawa uniform! I said what I said!
@@thatcarguy1UZ Wawa!
It would've been cool to see a third round where you just pitted the Prometheus against Voyager without MVAM to see if the match took longer or not. After all, there are bound to be differences between the CPU controlling the ship vs an actual person.
3:17 Having the four nacelles at once would help with that, too.
When separated, there's a 5th smaller nacelle on one segment of the ship, keeping all parts warp capable.
Neelix could have been the Starbuck's barista onboard of Voyager... he looks like he should have a Gender Studies Degree.
The Prometheus is such a weird ship. It kind of makes sense as a prototype if Starfleet was throwing things at the wall, but deployed? What if the middle section gets destroyed? 😂
The the other 2 continue on. All 3 sections are warp capable.
You need to do this with the full compliment of the Delta upgrades.
I would have preferred the Starbucks barrista over Nelix 😅
Not seeing the Prometheus in multi vector mode may literally just be a budget thing. Cheaper to animate a scene with one ship vs three pieces of a ship.
It was also done with models so budget is a good point
Your original tactic of keeping away from the quantums was working for you but it was when you allowed the distance to close the Prometheus took full advantage
Voyager did put up a good fight in the first one, though I suspect the Prometheus qualifies as a heavy cruiser, so no wonder Voyager lost. It is a pity we learned nothing else about the Prometheus, as a die hard starship geek I would have ate up the design lore with a spoon.
This video confuses me! Which side is the EMH Mark I fighting for?
6:46 Quark's Entertainment LLC was the exclusive provider of the coffee on the USS Voyager. Come in today for our special Janeway blend! ☕
EMH Mark 1 vs EMH Mark 2, FIGHT!!
Thought came to mind! All 3 warpcores are one ... when together... and 3 engineers... top middle and bottom engineer!
That's a point,lol. Who would be the CHIEF. I can imagine them Duking it out! 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming 1 over all chief but 2 other sub chiefs when separated!
The Prom had I warp core that spilt in to 3 segments giving each section warp power but at a reduced level ....great as all ways RB 😊
I'm not surprised that the prommy won out against voyager considering that the prommy although not outright stated is pretty much a warship (i think not sure on that could be wrong) along side ships like the defiant (though the defiant is supposed to be Starfleet's first true warship, although some say the NX class was, and then of course there is the Ares class from Axanar but that is not cannon so I guess people can decide for themselves which ship class was Starfleet's first true warship) as it was one of the many ships that Starfleet designed mainly to deal with the borg threat whilst the intrepid class voyager was a long range explorer (i think again not 100% on that) so it would be surprising to see Voyager win out against the prommy without taking severe damage. You did quite well in the first round but as usual unless your up against a God-Tier ship/super high tech level ship it is not surprising that you as the 'Player' normally do well against the computer, its usually not much of a contest computer vs player. Even if you have the computer set to hard difficulty (which you should probably start showing what difficulty you are playing against so no one can accuse you of playing on easy mode) I doubt that the computer can take advantage of things like MVAM, raising power levels, in system warp, and/or changing torpedo loads so its not surprising that normally you as the 'Player' win against the computer (again not counting super high tech-level/major time period advantage/difference ships or God-tier ships).
Ty for the video and LLAP!
I had a theory that multi-vector is only used against multiple weaker targets (like Maqui raiders). Otherwise, it's always strongest as one.
A Starbucks on Voyager... I should have thought of that. 😄
Also, yes, Voyager couldn't take fire from 3 directions... but it almost had your section. 😀
Starbucks should've had promotional coffee mugs or something 😂
Futures End should’ve had a Starbucks on the boardwalk. Jameway could’ve argued over getting just straight-up black coffee.
@davidread83 LOL! She'd have a heck of a time with that one. They'd offer 30 different blends of beans from every corner of the world 🤣🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming which would drive her nuts. Probably a good reason for no product placement.
prometheus all the way, be interesting to see if you take shield damage when separated what would happen to it when you integrate them back together
It's my understanding it had two warp cores, a "standard size" that would split in two for the bottom and middle sections, and a defiant warp core for the saucer.
Cool! Thanks for the info 🖖
Prometheus probably has Defiant class warp cores. Those are compact enough to fit into such small individual hulls.
As for why Multi Vector Assault Mode was never used again. Having armored plating and weapons "inside" the ship reduced the internal volume of the ship significantly. You would be better off having more external weapons. Volume grows faster than surface area. You can fit a significantly more powerful warp core if you remove MVAM and then put larger weapons on the outside of the ship fed by the more powerful warp core. If you need more ships, it would be cheaper to build several small ships instead of one larger ship that splits into three. Imagine if you had pit Voyager against 3 Defiants.
@@Alyeska23
The only problem with “several small ships” is they won’t have the range, defeating the purpose of the “deep space tactical assignments” mission. Also, the advantages of being able to attack any weakened shield facings from a different vector, as well as the increase in evasion that each module has, may compensate for the loss in volume.
@@drksideofthewal Bolting smaller ships into a single larger ship reduces the larger ships range by reducing fuel capacity. If you want range, you want a larger single ship. If you want tactical options, you send multiple ships at increased cost.
@@Alyeska23
They use energy dense fuel sources in Star Trek, the limitations on range usually come down to the max sustained warp factor and the longevity of the warp coils. A four (five) nacelled “warp sled” with the tactical advantages of three smaller ships is the best of both worlds.
In the process of watching the video "Keep them at a distance, that should help us avoid their torpedoes" Why do I think this is going to end badly?
Gets to the switch: Yup.
😂 ''Starbucks', lol huh Voyager.. Yes that would have been a chance for sponsoring.. gosh.. I love Star-bucks and miss it gosh.. The Trenta Pikes Peak, 2 creams.. oh gosh.. lol Loved the battle Admiral. I would think Voyager would have did a bit of damage and as Janeway would say '' Get us the h*** out of here Tom!'' just saying.. The Prometheus was newer too, in the game. hard to say.. but the show, Voyager did take on Borg Tactical but got damaged but still , hmm hard to say.. and whom at the helm helps, also, Voy had Tri-Cobalts, so the torp tubes were for multi type torpedoes.. still you did great.. !!!😊🖖
I do think the Prometheus would have won on the show. Voyager was technically out of date by this point. It was able to Destroy a D'deridex and disable a nebula class. Tri-Cobolts may have evened the odds though... 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes. I know, the Prometheus would have won on the show, and I recall, the ship separated at warp I think and yes disabled the Nebula and the Romulan.. I have to go see that show again.. 🖖
Have you done a Dominion War Intrepid versus Voyager minus the future armor and future weapons? Good video!
The Prometheus, to me, seems like something very desperate. Because why do you need a ship that can separate into three, and fight? This feature is so impractical that it begs the question; what if one section gets damaged to unite with the others, or is destroyed? And it seems needlessly complicated. When it separates, the command module is the one that comprises of the upper saucer, and has a little warp engine that comes out from the top; that separates the command crew from the other two sections. Do those other two sections have command crews, or are they similarly controlled from the command module?
I have something of an explanation for why Starfleet goes with this. In DS9, we didn't see any of the other members of the Federation offer any fleet support to Starfleet, which is telling. I have a hard time believing that the Andorians or the Tellarites would give up their navies because Starfleet is sort of acting as this umbrella of protection for all of the Federation. My thought is that they have them, but they're more concerned about defending their own territories within the Federation at this point. Which means that they would be very concerned about Starfleet being too powerful. It's why Starfleet has such a shockingly low fleet count. My estimate during the Dominion War puts them roughly at 1,000-1,500 combat ready vessels, most of which are probably smaller vessels like the venerable Miranda, cruisers like the Excelsior, and others that we might not have seen. Wars cost money and other resources, and it's possible that members of the Federation Council were concerned with Starfleet being so powerful that if there were ever a serious disagreement between Earth and another member of the Federation, Starfleet might be used against that other member.
Starfleet needs dedicated warships, which both the Defiant and the Prometheus, and in my opinion the Akira and Saber class are, and that probably also concerns the rest of the UFP. The Prometheus does not look like it has too much in the way of both creature comforts and scientific abilities. It arguably wouldn't because of that multi-vector assault mode, with all those warp cores and all that power going to all sorts of weapons, shields, and propulsion.
So, because Starfleet is so small, because they have so much territory to patrol and protect, they have to spread the fleet out as far as they can, which will mean that a lot of ships are going to operate alone. Having something like the Prometheus out there patrolling borders or interior areas where things like piracy might be an issue would give the opposition something to think about. It gets around any political issues and limitations imposed by the council, and gives added firepower in such a way as to attack various targets or single targets from multiple angles.
When you use "enhanced voyager", she had already used her tricobalt on the caretaker. Voyager was equipped with those to takeout Maquis base. My understanding is those are voyager specific and not on other intrepid ships.
I would’ve deployed the aero shuttle and the delta flyer to even the odds a bit for voyager
I retract my request. You already did it 5 months ago. I don't know how i missed it.
Head over to channel JTVFX his latest video shows his rendering preview of that, and some other iconic Star Trek battle scenes remastered.
@@KiltedCritic Yes I know. I've seen it. Where do you think I got the idea for this request?😁
@@hudsonball4702 Nice!
You may wish to try strafing attacks from above with voyager as you missed out on using Voyagers main phaser arrary's which are substantially located on the bottom of the ship with the two arrays also on the underneath of the warp nacelles , iv'e played this exact ship too , and you would do a lot more damage with the strafes :)
The Prometheus AI was terrible and Voyager still lost. Also, I think the canon version is actually much stronger. Look at how it took out a Dominion War Nebula with ease. Voyager, enhanced as it might be isn't that powerful.
Amen.
Love these videos.
I would bet that multi vector would make less of a difference if the target ship autoleveled shielding. The real question, can you keep the segments from ramming each other during separation.
Fun fact: Nelix was actually Darth Gilligan.
good fight. Prometheus was design as a battleship, with advanced tactics like multi vector mode, so no wonder that Prometheus won.
Still waiting for the battle Arena ship from episode tsunkatse against voyager or/and Sovereign class
I would surmise that 2 of those 3 warp cores are about the same they use in runabouts or shuttles.
There's coffee in that nebula!
surprisingly there is a starbucks on a US carrier, so putting one on Voyager is possible
No way that Voyager should beat the Prometheus...
I think that multi-vector assault would work best against a ship without a 270 or 360 degree firing arc...like Breen or certain Klingon ships...
I'd really like to see an Ambassador (a Dominion War version or not I'm not picky) against one of the Jem'Hadar Battlecruisers. Not the really huge battleship. Just the mid-sized one.
DId you mean warp 9.99 for the Pro? cuz voyager max was 9.975 :P
Message In A Bottle is a great episode. EMH Mk.1 and EMH Mk.2 were a great team and I wish we got to see some more of them.
Heck, Voyager S4 to S6 had some of the best episodes IMO, episodes like Timeless, Demon, Course Oblivion, Omega Directive, Living Witness, Dark Frontier, Equinox, Dragon's Teeth. We get a great mix of action episodes as well as slower, philosophical episodes, and some episodes centred around characters to give that actor some time to grow the character and really show their talent. I know your feelings with regards to Neelix but Ethan Philips is a pretty good actor IMO, watch the episode Mortal Coil. There's also Once Upon A Time and I know a lot of people don't like kids episodes but there's a lot in that story and it's a very interesting moral dilemma - when do you tell the kid that their mum is probably dead? And you've got Neelix who's trying to be overprotective, Janeway who is thinks that they should tell Naomi but trusts Neelix's judgement, and Naomi is slowly piecing it together.
IMO it was peak Trek. We had great actors, great writers, great directors and they made it work.
I think this is a bit optimistic for Voyager, but maybe Seven's and One's upgrades were really good. We saw Prometheus knock the stuffing out of a Nebula class, then we saw it make quick work of a D'Deridex.
@samspeed6271 I totally agree about Voyager's episodes, from season 4 onwards it was pure quality. I'm currently watching through the earlier seasons now and I like how the show evolved over time. With regards to Neelix, Ethan Philips was a tremendous actor! Incredibly varied. I remember "Mortal Coil" well. Yes, It is stretching it for the Intrepid class I think. The Prometheus was bristling with new weaponry. That phaser array looks really powerful. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming I'm not as keen on S7 than I am with S4-6. Maybe it's because I know it's coming to an end and I don't want it to. Homestead was a bittersweet episode because Neelix leaves, I think I would've preferred it if he'd stayed with Voyager and got all the way to Earth.
And End Game felt a bit rushed, the fact the epsiode ends when it does and not when they're back on terra firma I feel a bit cheated. It would've been nice to have seen the characters reuniting with their friends and family.
The end of S7 felt like they were wrapping up loose ends hastily.
Going back to letting the actors use their talents, I'm glad that they wrote in singing segments for Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo. Ryan in particular has a really beautiful singing voice. But it didn't feel out of place or forced, the writers managed to sneak it in and make it natural.
Would be great to see Voyager and Defiant go toe to toe
I think the Prometheus Is classed as a heavy cruiser while voyager a light cruiser.
Still we know the reason voyager lost was because Janeway didn't have her coffee and the crew had been poisoned by neelix cooking 😅
Sometimes I wish I could be in three places at once.
Im still really hoping to see a voth ship added in to bridge commander. It would be very interesting to see them vs the krenim.
There is one currently under development 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming i bet that will be a good match for the future borg cube.
5:12 Nah. Just fade to black and Voyager will be right as rain again.
Multi-vector assault mod is basically a four-way in which three are banging one. 😉
The voyager should have ZERO chance in this fight.
Is the siege perilous from Andromeda in bridge commander? I'd love to see that in some battles
I think the USS Prometheus would not be economical to run with all these warp cores i think you would not get many light years to the gallon of Deuterium!
Enterprise-A vs Kronos I and the BOP that fires when cloaked…both ways?
A barrister? Think you mean barista.
Also the saying is missed a trick (not a treat) 😊
Prometheus versus Enterprise E
Think how small the warp core is on a runabout
A runabout is creating a comparatively tiny warp bubble though, even compared to the smallest segment of the Prometheus or a Defiant.
A Starbooks barrister?
Voyager has multi targeting phasers. not seen in this battle. cool video non the less.
Indeed! Sadly this mod doesn't have those 🖖
So, in multi vector assault mode, what happens if the middle part of the three sections is destroyed? How does the ship reassemble itself? Or does one need to head to the nearest starbase? I've always wondered about this...
It can't reassemble itself, with the middle piece missing because the docking latches won't line up. So yeah, they'd have to come home in pieces.
I WONDER... if you could change command point of which part you control?
Technically Yes! You can beam over to each ship individually, but it involves lowering the shields. You can also give orders to each section individually 🖖
Ugh, I loathe the entire concept of multi-vector assault mode. Why bother building one big, powerful, durable ship if you're just going to break it up into three smaller, weaker, more fragile ones the second you run into trouble? If you want a bunch of small to mid-sized attack ships, just build more Defiants. As it stands, the Prometheus combines the inflexibility of deployment that you see with big warships, along with the individual weakness and vulnerability to piecemeal defeat that you see with smaller designs. It manages to be the worst of both worlds, on top of being gimmicky as hell.
I don’t particularly like the concept, but I guess you could argue that the Prometheus is a way to get 3 Defiant style ships, wherever you need them at insane warp speeds. The only alternative is a carrier, but to carry full size starships you would need something significantly larger than we’ve ever seen Starfleet built.
I would say though that based on Starfleet being willing to fight the Prometheus and 3 Warbirds in 2 Defiants and an Akira, each section of the Prometheus must be quite a bit weaker than a Defiant.
@@CC-mp1wk "The only alternative is a carrier, but to carry full size starships you would need something significantly larger than we’ve ever seen Starfleet built."
Well, there is the Jupiter-class Carrier from STO. The Callisto-class frigates it carries aren't much smaller than a Defiant. And while its standard loadout is only 4 of the things (plus something like 120 shuttlecraft and runabouts), it certainly has the facilities and internal volume for at least three times that number if you needed to give it an actual combat loadout.
Plus, while it's not the most powerful combatant for its size, the Jupiter carrier is still no slouch itself. Basically just imagine a starship only a little bit smaller than the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica warping in, dumping a dozen Defiant-sized warships into the enemy's face, then standing back and slapping them around with heavy phaser arrays and torpedoes while the frigates do their best piranha impression.
Or if carriers aren't your thing, there's the other option of just building a faster Defiant. Then you don't need either a carrier or some super-fast main ship that breaks apart on arrival, because you could just send an appropriate number of Defiants or a later equivalent.
"I would say though that based on Starfleet being willing to fight the Prometheus and 3 Warbirds in 2 Defiants and an Akira, each section of the Prometheus must be quite a bit weaker than a Defiant."
Yeah, it doesn't speak too well of the viability of the idea when the Prometheus isn't treated as being particularly formidable.
As far as I can tell, from the very start the entire concept of multi-vector assault mode was just a gimmick cooked up in a writer's room where everyone asked questions like "Wouldn't it be cool if...", but no one bothered to ask "But does it make sense?"
@@rmartinson19 I tend not to acknowledge ships from games/comics etc as some of the concepts seem out of line with what we see on screen. But I’ll check out the design from STO.
I guess a faster Defiant would need to be much larger, I always assumed the shape of the Defiant and size of the nacelles and the fact they are not on pylons limited its speed quite a bit. So you end up with a far less agile ship.
There was no Starbucks when Voyager was airing. Starbucks came later when they killed every truly delicious coffee chain and made everyone pay twice as much for coffee. Janeway would have despised them. I miss caribou coffee.
@robertduncan8801 Only the best for Janeway! I'm not the biggest Starbucks fan either. Independent shops are the best ☕🖖
what happened, why the video was private?
@Allosaurus87 sorry about that. The video was corrupted in places, so i had to re-upload it 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming must be caused by Neelix and his Brilll Cheese
🤣🤣🤣
The prometheus needs a better captain. They missed you 80% of the time.
А как вы в римастере раздили промитей или кобояши мару
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