Why Patrick Mahomes deserves consideration over Tom Brady for NFL GOAT QB | Colin Cowherd NFL
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Colin Cowherd and '3 & Out' host John Middlekauff discuss Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes' performance vs. the Baltimore Ravens. Colin and John debate why Mahomes may be challenging Tom Brady already for consideration as the greatest NFL quarterback of all time.
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It's funny how we dismiss Joe Montana from this conversation.4 and 0 in four Superbowls 11TD 0 interceptions.
How many Superbowls did you say? That’s why.
I watched Montana play since Notre Dame Mahomes is a better QB.
Joe Montana is in that weird spot where he is absolutely good enough to be number 2, but it would be WAY out there to have him number 1. He's still great though
Honestly, if was going to draft a franchise QB for an expansion team, I would draft Brett Favre. Why? Because the guy was super reliable. He had the super-human ability to almost never get injured and play through pain. That, plus his abilities, and the fact his teammates loved him.
@@tomcollins5112 Favre with Holmgren was essentially Mahomes and Reid. BEFORE the offensive rule changes. Prime Favre was untouchable.
The Mahomes effect... Mahomes came out and scored 2 TDs right out of the gate. The Ravens threw the game plan out the window and thought this would be a shootout. 17-7 at halftime Mahomes wanted the win more than stats. No 50/50 balls no reckless throws no fumbles just flip the field and let your D go to work. That is what they did and they sealed the win.
Basically what Brady did. No silly throws, take the check down, take the punt and don’t put the defense in harms way.
Colin is the biggest prisoner of the moment ever lol.
The defence is the real story
He always jumps on whatever story is hot. I guarantee if the Chiefs lose the Super Bowl, he'll jump off and pretend like he never said this.
Bandwagon man, sickening 🤢
Yeah, imagine if Brady had some good defenses
@@Axecarter91 he’d have 15 superbowls with that defence and kelce
@@watchman9198 Brady’s defenses in New England allowed 30 points in playoff games 5 times in 20 seasons.
Mahomes defenses have allowed 30 points in the playoffs 5 times in 6 seasons
Cut it out
Brady won with what he had his first 6 years. Then he gets Moss and Welker immediately goes from 25 to 50 TD's. Makes you wonder what if he had a Kelce or Hill those early yrs. Tom did it for 20+ years then went to Tampa at 43 and won it without Belichick on a team that knew nothing about winning. He said he was playing till 45 and we all thought he was delusional but he did it and dominated for the majority of his 40's. Brady's resume is so uniquely great it's gonna take a lot more then a third SB for me.
What would do it for me would be a head to head matchup too bad that....oh wait that already happened and Tom won oh well sorry Mahomes fans
@@BrEmailYeah the fact he served Mahomes the 2 biggest L's of his career in his 40's as the underdog gets swept aside constantly. Colin is saying this after 17-10 win while Brady somehow gets shit on for winning those type of games.
What really cements it for me in Tom's favor is winning it in Tampa. It's almost like he did a scientific experiment to test his own greatness by leaving his great organization for a bad one, just to prove that he was the reason for his previous results.
he had a gronk?
@@MrWingiii not for 4 super bowl wins
Get back to this question when Mahomes plays a few years without Kelce and is 40-plus years old.
That’s funny all Josh Allen has to do is put in a solid regular season in his fanboys. Tell you he’s the best quarterback in the league… Funny when standards change.
They said the same thing when Tyreek left. mahomes will be great regardless.
You don’t get extra credit for being old and winning because you couldn’t manage to win one for 10 years straight lmao
Honestly if Josh Allen was drafted by the Chiefs he'd have two rings.
@@dancleary4101if Allen was in KC he has rings.
The erasing of Brady by the media is going to be insane. Just 3 years ago he beat Mahomes to win his SEVENTH ring. Just 2 years ago he lead the league in yards & TDs….at 45years old.
Beat?? He destroyed him
Because they hated Brady in New England and Bill
Sports media has become laughable, all of them.
@@minioreo4958Yeah that was Brady who put those 29 pressures on Mahomes
Eli is the GOAT then
Bro this is the stuff that makes me not take Colin seriously sports wise bro let him win a few more
3 before 29 is utterly incredible
He said best defenses twice, Early 2000s Ravens and Mid 2000s Steelers would beg to differ. These defenses can’t hit the receivers, can’t hit the QB. Can’t hit hard. Can’t hit soft. It’s a joke. There is no QB from the 2000s that wouldn’t eat up the defenses today. Mahomes is great, but the game has changed to make him look incredible.
Blah blah blah cry harder
Let Mahomes rack up a few more Super Bowl rings; then we’ll talk. 😎
Dat Part😅😅😅😅😅😅
And a perfect regular season.
@@Mandoshawnperfect regular season is irrelevant. It's all about rings
Yeah, because that’s the standard yet Josh Allen has zero accolades and people act like he’s the greatest quarterback since sliced bread… Be consistent with your arguments
Who are you to prove anything to? 😂😂
Brady entered the league when you could still plaster the QB without worrying about getting flagged, whereas all you have to do these days to get hit with a personal foul is look at the quarterback funny. Plus, Brady had Belichick as his head coach, a guy who has as much wherewithal on the offensive side of the ball as a sumo wrestler does with ballet. Mahomes, meanwhile, has one of the greatest offensive minds ever as his head coach. Not only is it way too soon to claim Mahomes is the GOAT (take a deep breath, Colin), but context - specifically, the era in which a given QB played - matters a great deal.
What moving company you hire for all that moving of the goalposts?
They also changed the damn rules because of the Brady ACL injury. Being the most accomplished doesn't always translate to being the Goat.
Here’s the issue. Before anyone would admit Brady was the goat, they said he has to win 4 rings to beat Montana. He gets 4, and then they said he needs 5. All the meanwhile, people always said he’s only do this because of the system, bill belichick. He can’t win in the NFC. Only because of the AFC East.
Brady leaves, wins a ring in the NFC. People still won’t admit it lol. Mahomes has 2 rings, haven’t played without top tier talent, and hasn’t move conferences. Yet people say he’s the goat? Hmmm doesn’t add up.
☝️This. People get caught up in the moment and assume things are going to stay the same for Mahomes. It may not. Andy Reid could retire, Travis Kelce ages and Mahomes could go the rest of his career without another superbowl appearance.
Big Ben was playing in his 3rd Super Bowl in 2010 and that was his 5th season.
Never played in a superbowl again after that.
It’s because neither Brady nor Montana was clearly better than the other talent-wise or stat wise at that point, so the 5th ring was needed. Mahomes is so clearly and obviously a better player than both of them (BETTER, not more accomplished, not more longevity). People know what they’re watching with Mahomes because it’s different. Same way people **correctly** called MJ the goat after only 3 rings.
@@Dannycuddylebron is more talented than Mj tho. lol
@@Dannycuddywhat is better tho? More talented? Michael Vick was more talented than Brady
@@luisperera1127 bron was like 7 years old when MJ won his 3rd ring genius 🧠 he didn’t exist in basketball lexicon
I love Colin and listen to him regularly. But this is ridiculous. Mahomes has a long way to go before he passes Brady as the BEST EVER. It’s kind of ridiculous we are even having these discussions.
Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. It’s possible he could go on and win 4 more superbowls and play into his mid 40s still winning. But there’s also the possibility that he never makes the Super Bowl again. The NFL is hard and we can go off what we currently know. He’s on pace to possibly pass him but that’s way down the line.
Well said.
NAH PEOPLE ARE PRISONER OF THE MOMENT ON THE INTERNET.. YES HE IS ON PACE BUT U RIGHT HE AINT THERE YET.. SAME WAY I FEEK ABOUT BROCK BUT LET NINER FANS TELL IT .. HE ALREADY BRADY AND BETTER THAN 98 PERCENT OF QB'S SMH
The thing about your take is that In 6 years as a starter hes made the AFC Championship game every single year. Mahomes right now is 2nd behind Brady. We are watching something special man
People get too caught up in the moment.
Five years from now, if Mahomes doesn’t win another ring, headlines will be “is Mahomes legacy ruined?”
@@vizionaryentertainment8464 he’s not 2nd. He still would have one less than Montana.
Brady just finished setting the bar so high it's ridiculous and they wanna lower it to below where he took it from? How is this acceptable to anybody???
What bar getting the ball boy fire
What bar getting the ball boy fire
No one is lowering the bar
Not lowering it. Pat is more talented
The media will never let Tom shake that late round pick. No matter what he accomplished while he was playing people loved bringing up Arod and Peyton….in retirement they cant wait to crown mahomes. A guy he sent home twice in his 40’s..
Watch Tom played against best Denver defense and Tom was so bad. Tom never played against this kind competition.
@@surinder474 Brady played against better competition. What defense did mahomes face that’s better than Seattle in 2014. What team did mahomes beat that’s better than the 2001 rams aka greatest show on turf?? What qb has mahomes beat on a regular basis as great as Peyton manning ?
@@surinder474what defense Mahommes played against that was better than the Ravens with Ray Lewis?? And you could hit QB’s then too
The Superbowls say Brady is the 🐐
The eye test says Mahomes is the is the 🐐
@jonathontorres948 YES...to me and millions of fans and non fans Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT, so is the Brady. This is not the official status.
This is nuts! Brady played the QB position better than anyone, 7 freaking Super Bowls
I mean, Pat is also 18 years younger than Brady so, he's has at least a decade left to play.
@@Aminah6623 people forget 3 Straight 3rd and 10 completions in Arrow Head against the Chiefs. That just don’t happen, Brady is just different i don’t think anyone can throw a better ball
@plaintruthx Remember, Brady threw a bone headed interception to end the game in regulation but got bailed out by the refs!
Mahomes is the most talented QB I've ever seen and he has a couple rings to go with his talent.
@@jamesperry3818blame Dee Ford smart guy
Legend has it Todd Monken is still in the booth calling pass plays for Lamar
This is why people hate on mahomes cause the glazing is insane he hasn’t even beat the 49ers yet and he’s already in the goat convo 😂😂
Not mahomes fault, it's the media!
2 Super Bowl 2sb mvps 2 mvps 6 straight arc championship 4 Super Bowl appearances he up there
@@darionanderson7462 2 of Brady 7 rings came from beating mahomes there is no goat debate…now greatest start to career sure he’s number one
Mahomes beat the 49ers against a very good defense.
@@Havik_1996 brady beat the legion of boom a wayyyy better defense than any defense mahomes has faced 🤷🏽♂️
Recency bias…. Geez
It was "recency bias " when they crowned Brady as the GOAT also over Joe Montana 7 years ago. No one seemed to complain about that.
@@abc_12333 when Brady was 39 and already had more SB wins and appearances than Montana. while Mahomes still has a long way in his career and who knows what will happen in the future
@@ernestogastelum9123 Michael Jordan was crowned the GOAT after 3 rings! Bill Russell has 11 rings. No one mentioned "recency bias" there either. So it's NOT just about rings. It's about MANY things including ability and stats. Mahomes is ahead of Brady after 6 years in stats in all categories. As for Joe Montana, no one considered the much tougher era that he played in. This is actually "Brady bias". Social media is simply surrounded by Brady fans.
@@abc_12333 remember 6-7 years ago when Rodgers was clearly the 'better QB' than Brady but Brady was the GOAT because of the rings? Mahomes is great, but it's entirely too early for this conversation
@@FreeTendiesFantasy I agree with you. I never actually said that Mahomes is the GOAT.
Hard to believe that a better topic than this wasn't thought of the day after two championship games. This is a topic for, like, May.
Jared Goff didn't get tight. Dan Campbell did, and lost his mind.
Dan Campbell f%$#@$ up.
Correction Colin, LeBron is not "significantly better" than MJ in every category. Mike's a better/more prolific scorer, FT shooter, clutch scorer, defender, winner, leader. Outside of rebounds (man is 3in taller I'd hope he'd be a better rebounder), and assists, he is superior in no other category.
THANK YOU
Lol LeBron is really just better in longevity if Mike hadn't retired twice and played as long he would dominate in almost every statistic. Mike was by far the more skilled player, and Mahomes has started his career with a hall of fame coach, tight end and all pro reciever. Pat has to at least get seven championships because of the fact he is 0-2 against the goat in the post-season who was in his 40s and on a brand new team one year. You can say he is on track to be the goat but he is a long long way off and this is even rediculous to be discussed. I think what happens is people forget greatness and what they actually witnessed after its gone. I mean the Chiefs aren't even a dynasty.
Thank you!!! They be trying to slide those Lebron is better barbs because of his unmatched longevity. But it is an also ran in comparison to Jordan...smdh....
There is no world where MJ is better than prime LeBron at defending
He is not a better leader than LeBron
Brady > Mahomes.... this shouldn't even be a debate. We can open it back up in 10-15 years, but NOT now.
Mahomes is the best ever and Brady is the most accomplished. Know the difference
@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx it's too early to say. Brady has 3 HOF careers. Mahomes retires tomorrow, he has one. His 2 biggest losses in the post season came by who? The GOAT himself. That all said, the NFL is constantly evolving, hence why it's hard to compare guys from different eras. Brady practically played in 2-3 eras.
@@dwcjr327 You don't know the difference between the GOAT and the best. All of what you said has nothing to do with what I said
Going to your 4th SB makes you more of a GOAT then Tom Brady?? Asinine logic 😭
Mahomes won 2 and who did he lose to? Brady ... there ya go
@@BrEmailso he can’t be the GOAT. Brady is 3-1 against Mahomes. And took two rings from him
@BrEmail He lost because his whole team was injured including himself fool that wasn't impressive 😂
@@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx how about we simplify this Mahomes has more talent than Brady but as far as goat, when he goes to the Superbowl 10 times, wins 7, has an undefeated season and breaks all the records Brady has then it's a conversation IOW find a hobby
@BrEmail OH please yes let's simplify this..Mahomes went 30-39 against the best defense in football in their house with the worst WR core in football by far that has justin watson starting at WR, a guy Brady begged to be doghoused in Tampa. Brady got beat in the playoffs by bums like Eli, Foles, Sanchez, Ryan Tannelhill, Jake Plummer, Joe Flacco.... You will never see Mahomes lose to an average to below average QB in the playoffs. Brady on the other hand has done in nearly a dozen times...
Revisionist history is hilarious
Nah
Remember when Brady and Mahomes went h2h in a super bowl just a few years ago and Brady won his 7th on Pat... prisoner of the moment stuff. Let Mahomes get to 5 before we start this lol
Anyone who watched knows mahomes played about as good as anyone who played that game his team was just significantly worse
Remember when Eli got two against Manning? I definitely do
Not even remotely the same. Man I don’t think you could have missed it more if you tried!!
@@garrettwilkie6046 Eli got 2 against Manning?
@@austinglaze5415 Brady" you know what I mean buddy.
The rules were different his first years
Much much harder
They changed the rules when the Pat's roughed up
Peytons recievers
The NFL continues to make the rules easier
Mahomes never gets smacked like they did then
Mahomes recievers are open all day long
But Colin gets a hard on over him and Reid
Colin just moves the Goal Posts
Pretty sure they changed the rules when Bernard Pollard took out Brady’s ACL week 1 and protected the quarterback more
yep but these wouldn't no because they never played a game of tackle football in their life....they're probably use to touch football and the new flag football that's in the probowl now...
@@nickgulley1764 I agree and Brady was not the only one who fell to Pollard antics. I think other players on the Patriots roster were injured by Pollard.
The game was different and tougher for Joe Montana than Brady but no one ever talks about that. Hmmmm
@@nickgulley1764 yes
Obviously in the comments here Mahomes could win 8 rings and the Brady stans will still say Brady was “just better.” It’s like nah, the kid has already tied or surpassed just about every great QB except Montana and Brady. And if rings make you the GOAT then go ahead and tell me that Bill Russell is the NBA GOAT… you can’t because you know it’s Jordan even if Jordan has 6 rings to Russell’s 11. The rings are important but don’t determine individual greatness.
Exactly what I’ve been saying. For some reason it’s hard for people to separate team success from individual greatness (although the two often overlap).
I like Patrick and one day he might be the goat. But to put him in the conversation with Brady this early is complete insanity. Brady was never the most talented, that’s not what made him the goat. What made him the goat was his consistent domination for more than 2 decades, 10 superbowl appearances and 7 wins. Also the most clutch QB ever. Ppl are just prisoners of the moment.
Absolutely incorrect bud! Bill russell didn’t play in the modern era. Not even close to the competition then nba had in the 80s and 90s. It’s actually the other way around. Brady first half of his career played in a much tougher era than the 2 hand touch we see now. So it’s much much much easier for today’s players. Also the definition of greatest is who accomplished the most over the longest period of time considerably above the rest. And that’s Tom Brady. If mahomes wins 8 superbowls and has all the stats postseason and regular season then he’ll be the goat. Unless that happens, by definition and by pure math he obviously wouldn’t qualify for that title 😉
I think it's unfair to come after Tom Brady right after he retired. Everyone wants a replacement so fast it don't work that way
Uh huh....RESPECT.....it took years after Jordan retired.....there was Kobe....Shaq.....Garnett.....KD and now Lebron....nobody is "sniffing" Jordans championships and MVPs. Tom Brady is just smiling when people compare him to the young athletes today....everyone is ready to crown somebody.
I'm not saying that mahomes is the GOAT, but who cares about if it's fair or not. Just because Mahomes started playing before Brady retired doesn't mean he couldn't be the goat one day. It's not fair...boohoo.
@natesprigg9653 at least surpass the other man's accomplishments first before you start talking that way.
Give me some of what your SMOKIN' .... 😂😂 It's obviously some gooooood stuff. 😂🤣
The Tom Brady defenders fail to understand that Brady is the most accomplished, Mahomes is the best we’ve seen because he does everything including things Brady never could do, Brady couldn’t make those throws and runs with the game on the line
He needs at least 3-4 more superbowls before we even consider this... I'd be willing to have the convo even with less chips if Mahomes performs at a higher level, but we're talking about this and Mahomes and two chips. And btw his superbowl loss is to brady!
Seriously, the utter disrespect the media is willing to display because of ratings is lunacy. This isn’t even a serious discussion yet. Brady has more rings than Mahomes has being a starting QB. And is 2-0 against Mahomes in the playoffs.
@@thisisnotmyname8766ok then Eli is better. Sorry you made the rule
It’s because Mahomes is clearly better at the QB position than Brady ever was. Sure there’s the longevity that Brady has but Patrick is both objectively and subjectively better at playing the position.
@@loganleroy8622how do you figure that?
@@AlexHendershot Because he has led the NFL in stats related to YPG, passer rating, win percentage, record after trailing in a game. So he has the stats. Brady only has his number so high because he played for so long, he wasn't particularly impressive outside of a couple of years. And then when you just watch the two of them play, Patrick has the ability to make far more impressive plays than Brady could. So from a subjective and objective point, inside a window of 6 years, Mahomes has played the position better than anyone.
qbs today are so protected it should be easy to dominate. dont have to worry about getting hit or touched
That's why i'm surprised Lamar Jackson was so "jittery" when pressure wasn't even there...his passes either sailed over his receivers or they were underthrown....did he start hearing footsteps?!
You do know all of those rules changed with Brady right?
@@SomeGuyFromOKthey know nothing about Brady besides he won 7 Superbowls lol. They really just braindead drones. Every statistical category mahomes is better especially in the playoffs. Mahomes is literally the second coming of Brady with more talent
I've seen a lot of comparisons to how Brady started his career but that's not really the right way to look at it. Brady's career was kinda werid because he was one of the few athletes who's resume was better in his 30s than his 20s. Brady was doing all-time legendary things at the same age most guys retire. So I still think it's way too early to make a call with Mahomes. He could match Brady's career at the end, but it's just as likely that his body starts to break down into his 30s. His play style is more likely to age compared to Brady's.
Brady's GOAT status isn't just 7 rings. It was 20 years of top of the league, high-end QB play with wildly different rosters and unbelievably clutch moments that culminated in every record imaginable. I think Mahomes is capable. But GOAT isn't a race. It's a marathon. If he ever overtakes Brady it's because he continues this pace for another 15 years, long after Kelce and Reid leave him. That's the challenge ahead of him.
Saying Brady’s the GOAT because of his rings is like saying Bill Russell is the NBA GOAT when we all know it’s his airness Michael Jordan.
@@PopPoop-ow4ni congrats.....you've exposed that you didn't actually read the comment you are replying too
@@roshango125abor I read the comment and reaffirmed one part of it that I agree with and gave an example of why. Methinks you’re the one with the reading problem.
@PopPoop-ow4ni well I mean that one part really wasn't the point and I followed up with the reason why he still is the GOAT
I agree and disagree. Obviously Mahomes needs some longevity but he doesn’t need another 15 years. If he does a few more things Brady never did, say, 3-peat, MVP + SB MVP same season, 20-0 season, he could be ahead of Brady in 8-10 years
Brady just retired 24 months ago. As great as Mahomes is, the fact we are doing this is insanity. And Brady will ALWAYS have head to head wins in the AFC Championship and the Super Bowl. What the fuck are we doing here??
Mahomes at his best vs Brady at his best. Nuff said.
I guess Eli Manning is the GOAT then.
@@otspears2326Brady in his 40’s beat prime Mahomes.
@@thisisnotmyname8766 cap. Prime Mahomes is current Mahomes. Those Mahomes were his younger versions
Don’t ever put Brady and Mohome boy in same sentence ever stop it
Right!?! Mahomes is so much better than that bum
I'm tired of people in this comment section talking about Brady going to the Bucs and winning the Super Bowl as if he was the all-powerful savior of a destitute franchise and not merely a quarterback who wouldn't throw as many interceptions as Famous Jameis while still having one of the best defenses in the league and the best group of pass-catchers in the league. He was the missing piece, not the only piece.
Also if you base your GOAT argument on who beat whom in the playoffs, then both Manning brothers (2-0 for Eli & 3-2 for Peyton) are better than Tom Brady, as are Nick Foles (1-0), Matthew Stafford (1-0), and Dak Prescott (1-0). The only one of those an argument could be made and has been made for is Peyton Manning because of his historically best 5 MVPs, 2 of which came on the backs of a pair of seasons that each could be considered the best of all time (2004 with the Colts and 2013 with the Broncos).
Take your meds kid then go back to playing Pokémon
How quickly they forget.. Brady 2-0 against Mahomes when it mattered most
eli manning 2-0 against brady
I guess Eli Manning is the GOAT then.
@davidkaneva9674 I guess your right.. one thing for sure Mahomes ain't 😂😂😂😂
But Eli is! BTW Did they ever find Tom's deflategate phone?@@luisruiz2011
This is just absurd. Does Mahomes have more TD's? No. Does he have more yards? No. Does he have more completions? No. Does he have more Pro-Bowl selections? No. Does he have more MVP's? No. Does he have more division titles? No. Does he have more conference titles? No. Does he have more Super Bowl titles? No. Does he have more Super Bowl MVP's? No. Does he have more wins? No. So what's the basis for him being better? Mahomes is AMAZING and well on his way to being the GOAT, no question... but TWENTY THREE seasons can't just be tossed out the window for a guy who has only played six. Brady beat Mahomes twice in the playoffs (AFC Championship and a Super Bowl blowout). The records Brady holds are unmatched. Again, Mahomes is amazing and well on his way, but it's just straight up disrespect to say all that is over now so Mahomes is better.
Now now let’s calm down 💀💀💀
Stop it. 1 Mahomes didnt even play that good this weekend… and 2 he will never catch Toms greatness
Most accomplished and best are 2 different things.
That's how I make my argument.
how is Brady the most accomplished without being the best?
Brady always had excellent defenses. Just look at how many stinker SBs the Pats had but still one despite the offesnse not putting up tons of points.@@MikeG82
@@MikeG82Because a QB doesn’t block, tackle, kick, or catch the football. This isn’t tennis
@MikeG82 This topic is for smart people only youre not welcome
Brady and Mahomes are in the league of their own
Purdy's the goat for a 2nd year QB.
Nobody did what he did in 2 years .
Wdym Joe burrow took the bengals to the super bowl in his second year. His first two healthy seasons he went to back to back afc championships
Except Patrick Mahomes!
I've been saying this . Brady is better, and after the dust settles, Mahomes truthers will realize it. From the pocket, Brady is far superior. Then, when you realize how good Brady would've been in Reids offense is crazy. Mahomes' proper comp is Elway. He's better, but that's who Mahomes has surpassed. Add the accolades, and then Mahomes will end up at 2 or 3.
The thing about Brady is most of his "skill" is his leadership. Let's be honest, Tampa was an elite team w/o him, but Brady came in and stopped all the stupid penalties and the turnovers and dominated because of it. It's considered a slight, but he was the definition of a "game manager". Brady was good skill-wise, not great, but if you are ALWAYS good, never make mistakes, and always available you will win a lot of games/championships.
smh
just try and rally a team down 25 at end of 3q. only tom
No they were not elite Tom’s arrival brought along 7 starters that they did not have the year before (when you make so many changes that is very high likelihood that your team is not going to gel even with a strong leader). They also had a losing record just the year prior. Most of the new starters don’t show up in Tampa if Tom is not there.
If he can win this Super Bowl and 2 more throughout his career which he could still ball for another decade, he’s definitely up for debate as GOAT if he puts up crazy numbers and multiple more SB wins.
Tom Brady isn't even the goat in my book. It's Joe Montana for me that is the goat of the NFL.
Joe? Brady is infinity better than Joe in every facet of the game
Well I’m sure it’s not the first time you’ve been wrong in your life.
thats silly
Your 65
To Each is own
When Mahomes gets to 6 rings at least then this conversation can be had🤦🏾♂️ Brady won with “Troy Brown “ as his #1 .. This is not a discussion at the moment Brady is by far the 🐐
Here we go discrediting his team again lmao. Brady also had some of the best defenses of all time. Mahomes has NEVER had a legendary defense. He's only had 1 GOOD defense
how is this the conversation when the chiefs O scored 17 points, 0 in the second half, and got 3 turnovers on D.
the story is the chiefs D, the typical lamar playoff collapse, and undisciplined fraudulent ravens
What's hilarious is the same people that couldn't stand Brady are now the same people bringing up Brady to try to put Mahomes down.. That's how you know Mahomes is that guy 😆 🤣
This Prisoner of the moment stuff is getting old. Im not even a Brady fan but it’s going to take a lot more rings and clutch performances for this to even be a topic.
Brady won 7/10 superbowls and because Mahomes is the best right now, he's the greatest ever?
Correct.
Patrick Mahomes could never be the goat. You have to beat the goat to be the goat. He had his chance twice, and Tom Brady whoop that ass.
I guess Eli Manning is the GOAT then.
One guy is appreciating the singular greatness of Mahomes. The other guy is pretending not to hear him and is taking every opportunity to back-hand compliment Patrick and move on to different topics. This is how some attempt to minimize what we're watching with Patrick. We have never seen anyone like him.
People always try to preach its a team sport to minimize what Brady did...But then they shift, when trying to compare the two..Brady over and over again had to regroup with different players..By mid to 3/4's the way through, they were all on board and made their runs to 6+1 superbowls...I will never deny that...
Please, can we just stop with the comparisons with Tom Brady and just let the other quarterbacks be who they are and credit them for their accomplishments. When their careers are over then we can compare properly.
The only qbs to beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs: Tom Brady and Joe Burrow
10 Super Bowls and 14 Championship game appearances.....shut up, Colin.
2:16 'And ever gets to SIX.' No dude, it's SEVEN. Hard to believe, yes.
To be fair, if he was at 6, you could have a conversation about who is better.
I’ve said it before, but this Chief team reminds me of the 2005 Steelers, that went on the road three times and won the Super Bowl against the Seahawks
Brady beat him twice in the Superbowl twice and Burrow can beat him too
Brady lost to Eli manning twice lol
I agree on the comment of not fearing Lamar Jackson. Since the Chief's defensive plan did a fabulous job against Allen. Who in my opinion is a bigger QB, Jackson's packages will be similar. I thought the front 4 on the D did an amazing job containing Jackson and collapsing the pocket WHILE covering big time receivers. For me, THE play was L'Jairus Sneed punching the ball out JUST before the receiver crosses the endzone. What a play...what a game. As a long time Chiefs fan who agrees with most pundits; that the Chiefs were NOT the Chiefs in years past. The last two games showed a team I think was EVEN better. Better Defense...better schemes...better Mahomes. Crazy we haven't even talked about Butker or Kelce either. I am looking forward for the Chiefs and the Niners. Go Chiefs!!!
The rat held the ball way to long. Fumble at a goal line, dumbassintercept. Somehow the last 2 weeks, the other team gave away instead of the fabulous Mahomes
the play before the endzone fumble could have been a touchdown if that guy wasn't such a scardy cat... the guy could have ran right into the endzone but he tries to deke and runs out of bounds....during the fumble there was no need to dive he could have ran straight in..... this era of football has a bunch of players that don't to get hit......so i wouldn't say any qb from this era is the best qb ever.....you'll get flagged if you hit the qb to hard and we've seen these type of roughing the passer calls before.....
It takes one “or” two good receivers to help a good QB become a great QB…………Brady 7………..Mahomes…..2……….enough said
The swings from under appreciation to overreaction that Colin takes are maddening. Mahomes is the best in the league now but the media so overrated the ravens (and I say that as a crushed ravens fan) they can’t get their arms around that they lost and now it’s that Mahomes can’t be beaten. Ravens weren’t favored by that much. There’s a recipe for doing it and the Niners have power physical runners that frankly the ravens didn’t have. I think Niners win this game. Colin so falls in love with players/ teams and it blinds him.
There are so many great talents in NFL history. Tom and Pat continue this legacy.
To me, when it's all said and done, statistics aside, the show these great athletes put on, week by week, for the fans, is what it's about.
A thank you to all the players for their hard work. It has been a nice journey.
Twice, when their seasons were on the line, Brady in his supposed dotage, beat Mahomes in his prime, including when Mahomes threw 50 tdsin that season, and when the year before, Mahomes was the SB MVP
I mean if you compare the first 6 years of Mahomes’ career to the first 6 years of Brady’s career…this shit ain’t even close
Mahomes in 18 playoff games so basically a full regular season he has over 5000 passing yards 41 tds and only 8 interceptions against the best teams.
Don’t let the Ravens coaching staff off the hook. Yes Mahomes was efficient but the Ravens were unrecognizable. Completely off their element and identity. What a strange championship Sunday.
You would think that Colin spent 10 minutes talking about how much better Patrick Mahomes is than Tom Brady to read these comments. He simply made one mention that he is the best quarterback he’s ever seen. In terms of the pantheon of the best quarterbacks, Tom Brady is currently the undisputed greatest quarterback of all time. In my opinion Mahomes will not catch him for accolades and records, but it’s silly to spend all this time speculating. Let him play to his mid-40s, win eight Super Bowls, and eclipse all of his passing records before we give him that mantle. By the way, you guys should stop using the idiot, acronym G.O.A.T. I know you think that it’s cool and clever to use shorthand in sports-talk, but it’s corny and dumb. The goat is actually the opposite of the hero. The goat is the one who blows the team’s chances and loses the game like Bill Buckner, and Scott Norwood. I wish we would retire that stupid acronym, and just say all four words: greatest of all time.
And I want you brothers to look at the double standard in the comment section. Remember, Josh Allen has zero Super Bowl wins and zero appearances and they told you he was the best quarterback in the league now they’re telling you Patrick Mahomes has to win nine more Super Bowls to be even considered the greatest ever are you starting to see the biased?… Wake up
Wow, major recency bias. Brady played and won in an era where you could mug receivers and drill the QBs and he won in today's game. The level of competition was consistently better too.
I've been an NFL fan since 1972, Really you guys going to hide whats going on in the NFL, Professional Players that get paid millions of dollars and they are making overthrows, underthrows during playoff games, refs not calling penalties against the Chiefs defense and the same in the 49er/Lions game, all because they didn't want to see a Superbowl game between Lions and Ravens, definitely fixed games by the refs and players who are probably being paid money to throw the games, this is like really bad, I ve never seen so much wrong doing by the NFL refs and the Multi million dollar players. The fix was in, Started in the Dallas/Green Bay game Dak throwing 2 deleberate INTS for TD, and filtered down to the rest of the games, this never happened in the 70's, 80's or 90's of the NFL until the greedy NFL decided they wanted to get more money, will greed is the evil in the NFL, the corruption will eventually come out, these refs will eventually speak out on all the wrong they were told to do. Fixed games are the lowest, and the NFL has stooped to its lowest. Very disappointed with the league and the players, No longer have any faith in the game of National Football League.
Tom Brady onwards require asterisks beside their stats. They are NOT playing the same game as Joe Montana was playing. You can't touch the QB now. Joe Cool is the best I ever saw play the position, and I'm a Bears fan. Peyton Manning was a choker. He sucked in the SB he did win (over us). On my bench, I have Jim McMahon. Never knew when he was beaten. 25-0 between 1984-1987. A record of consecutive winnign starts that will never be beaten.
5 years from now this video is gonna age like wine
if he beats 49ers he is top 5 already
The eye test tells me Mahomes is better than Tom by a little bit but Tom has the ultimate trump card. 7 rings.
saying Josh Allen is the second best quarterback in the league is the most white football analyst thing to say.
Chiefs won the mental game. Once the Chiefs rattled the Raven's, It was over. Personally, I thought it started on the first drive. Ravens went three and out, and panicked. At least that's how it looked to me.
He's 2 and 1 in the Superbowl, and his loss is to Tom Brady. Get real!
Josh Allen was so rattled he didn’t even see a wide open Diggs, Lamar found flowers only for flowers to fumble at the goal line, that changed the game….this guy gets paid to say stupid things
John speaks the truth right off the bat. Respect
Maybe we can have this conversation in 15 years Colin
Recency bias plays a huge part in this. If we were still able to witness Tom Brady in his prime every weekend like we could 15 years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd be saying Mahomes has to catch Brady first in terms of rings. And he still has to. Brady isn't out on the field anymore doing special things, so it's easy to look at Mahomes and say man, he has no equal. Fact of the matter is though... Tom Brady played Patrick and the Chiefs twice in the postseason, and he beat him both times. Once in the AFC championship, and once in the super bowl. And he didn't just beat Patrick in the super bowl, he blew him out. The two times the NFL "GOATS" played each other, Brady came out on top. He beat him in arrowhead, hell he even beat him on two different teams... and Tom was in his 40s for crying out loud. I mean, you can't gloss over all that lmao. It's recency bias. Mahomes is very special, we all know it...but way too early to be having this conversation. Brady is the GOAT. For right now.
Hear what you're saying but you're neglecting to mention a couple of facts.
1. KC'S O line was mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers. Evident in Mahomes having to run for his life on virtually every snap. Despite that, he still made throws that none of his receivers could hold on to. The best throw in NFL history, imo was to Jerrick McKinnon, while diving to his right full stretch horizontal to the ground, hitting him square in the facemask in the endzone. He dropped it btw. Please tell me Brady can make that throw?
2. KC'S defense was bottom 5 that year and the Bucs 2nd. So if we are going to compare QB's, the playingfield not exactly level is it? You had Brady with an armchair ride, sitting back in the pocket and Mahomes running for his life against the top2 defence with a depleted O line on almost every play.
So all we can say is the Bucs won SB55 with Brady as the QB, but by no means did Brady outplay Mahomes. Reverse roles and what do you get? It's not crazy to think Mahomes hangs 60 on Brady. At least! So don't make out as if Brady beat Mahomes in a shoot-out going toe to toe.
If you split Toms career in half he is still ahead of Mahomes in either one.
same guy said josh allen was going to the super bowl 🤦♂
Brady beat Mahomes in the middle of this Chief's dynasty at 45 years old.
Talk about living in the moment
That moment you're referring too has lasted 6 years straight and counting... You're a prisoner in your own delusional mind
@@IamSSAINVINCIBLEx I have no dog in the fight. Your shot was unnecessary and weird. Pat nor Brady pays my bills. But if it means that much to you…😒
I was interested until your buddy started with the JOSH ALLEN
NON SENSE.....he not better than Lamar ...stop it
Mahomes is 0-3 against the GOAT. Maybe when Mahomes wins his 8th Super Bowl we can then call him the GOAT.
To even consider Mahomes in the same book as Brady is Beyond disrespectful. This guys is a joke
Mahomes is a better player
Disagree. To early to say that. I think the real conversation is Andy Reid over Belicheck.
Maybe I don't disagree but it is definitely to early to make a clear distinction.
that's a silly conversation too
In fairness (and I was pulling for KC) Lamar looked good. The touchdown that he threw that was punched out, was phenomenal. The taunting penalty that moved them out of field goal range may have cost him the game….. the Chiefs defense was getting pressure, but Lamar shed several sacks that would have taken down any other QB
When Mahomes gets to 9 SBs and wins 7, then you can say that he is the goat. Just like Tiger Woods, the future GOAT of Golf....what happened? You wish Mahomes the best.
Oh, enough of this bullshit already. It's insulting. What's the freaking rush to crown someone who hadn't even finished his sixth year?
"I couldn't see the Chiefs winning with only 17 points..." The Chiefs D gave up only 13.5 points per game all season...how is this guy an analyst?
What we don’t realize is the potential greatness Brock purdy has destined upon him, this could have easily been Brock’s second superbowl appearance, if his arm didn’t break, if Brock wins We might come to find there’s another Great QB that’s destined upon us, doing big things early in his career.
I need to see Mahomes without Andy Reid before declaring this. He had a great start because of Reid, as you can see how wild he was in college.
Why do you need to see this lmao what would that prove
Brady has 7 Super Bowls. Mahomo only has 2!! What are you talking about?? It’s just ludicrous
Mahomes is 28 buddy
Why do these talk heads always jump to conclusions so prematurely? Mahomes is still in his prime. Let him play. You guys can summarize his career when he retires, but not now!