ROASTED Cheap Elves Vanyar One Piece Bike Frame
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This is an Elves Vanyar frame, one piece moulding. The frame was bought by a viewer from Wales and then sent to Hambini HQ for assessment, it is therefore a random frame and not a "hambini special". In any case, the frame was probably average for the entire industry or possibly slightly below average. Given the price ($1000) it is on par with frames from the likes of Cannondale and Canyon which cost 3 times that much.
The interior was about average, there were some areas of tenting and layup displacement.
Of slightly more concern was around the headset, one bearing seat was noticeably slack - this can quite easily be rectified (but you shouldn't have to). The lower headset bearing had very thin sidewalls, Given the asymmetry around the circumference, this was likely a defect.
The bottom bracket showed signs of gouges and post manufacture machining. Not pretty, but liveable.
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What is the rank of elves among the Chinese brands you have used?
slightly better than canyon
@@Hambini 😂😂😂
@@Hambini what about Costelo. I've been waiting for anyone to make a comment before I buy one. Should I buy one? Thanks in advance!
@@Hambini comparing it with canyon is setting the bar pretty low to be honest
@@Hambini comparing it with canyon is setting the bar pretty low to be honest
What an honest review. “This bike is slightly below average”.
Most things don’t deserve an extreme opinion. Most things deserve a “meh”
Thought I'd chime in as this is my frame. I've built it up with stuff I hand around; Dura-ace 9100 (because I got it cheap), carbon seat, Trifox carbon handlebars and Fulcrum Racing Zero wheels. There was a little slack in the headset, but with some tightening there is now zero. I didn't have to crank the sh!t out of it to remove the slack either, so happy with that. As of today I've done 327km on it and no problems. As for how it performs, I'm actually astonished. I've broken more than a handful of my PRs up local climbs and it feels more "go" than my F8 that is built with similar gear (Dura ace, Most Talon handlebars, Racing Zeros). Am currently running the crappy BB that came with it, no issues yet, but thought I'd run it till it died then upgrade. Seat post comes with what I can only describe as stick back sand paper to stick inside the seat tube, tightening to the recommended torque (10-12nm AFAIK) have had no issues. As a winter bike I cannot fault it for the price.
His review and your comment only make me wanna have this frame even more. I found out about it yesterday and I had the same idea. Take an existing bike, use its part on the new frame and see what's what. I mean BBs aren't expensive and I'm glad you got rid of the headset slack because that actually looked really bad but eventually you seem to be happy with it, even astonished. Me coming from aluminium frames might be absolutely blown away by that bike then.
Thanks for adding the real world experience. One of these frames would be a real step up from my ancient aluminium Trek frame by the look of it!
You sure you're meant to tighten your seatpost to 10+? I'd say carbon paste and 5-6? At 10 I'd expect cracking!
@@pierrex3226 Good point. The weak point of plenty of overpriced bikes with aero seatposts is seat tube fit. This feature alone would cause me NOT to even consider such a frame. Not that I 'need' any aero crap to begin with!
Wrenching in a shop, I see plenty of production bikes where these weird seatposts slip while torquing over 8 nm. Just another QC problem, believe it or not! As a retired mechanical inspector, I refer to such issues as REJECTS. They're intolerable.
I believe that a slipping seatpost kills off all the minimal gains a practical cyclist is ever going to realize with an aero seatpost, not to mention how complicated and failure prone many of the clamping 'systems' are.
As a pro mechanic, simple things made complicated, difficult and ultimately UNRELIABLE are what truly drives me nuts. There is no excuse.
Ironically, with all my round 27.2 posts, 5nm is more than enough to hold my posts entirely securely.
Hi Matt wondering if this will hold up to a 80kg rider? At that light weight kinda worrying ….
Pandemic, Wars, and a sponsor on Hambini's channel. The end is nigh.
Did you notice the sample website was for his hairdresser ?
Thankfully it's not RAID shadow, yet 😂
You should do the sponsor very very quiet...the "Hello Hambini fans" will have even more effect then!
Thanks for all your work!
Will buy a new road bike somewhere the next 2 years...and at least I know what not to buy.
Buy a Giant
You'd think that elves would do a flawless job on the interior. They're the only ones small enough to crawl inside.
It's a spelling mistake. It should be elver (baby eel).
It's a satire I guess to the brand Giant. Even the model names come from the Elves of Middle Earth. Vanyar, Nandor, Avari, Eglath, Falath.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I own an Elves Eglath Disc with Dura Ace/ Ultegra Build custom paint. I love the bike. I have a few thousand Km on it, no issues. It holds its own on club rides against the big brands. Simon at Elves was terrific to deal with. I’m in the. US. Big fan.
The bike holds it own. Who is doing the riding you are the bike.
The Elgath is the best of the Elves models. Better than the Falath which is better riding than the Vanyar. This is why I put the worst wheels on the Vanyar as I would only take it out for casual rides or climbing days. Also the Vanyar isn't fully cockpit internal routed but I don't expect much from a 5 year old model.
I have been thinking about buying Eglath or Falath. I guess that the first is more suitable / comfortable for longer trip, right? Which size do you gave and what is your height?
@@MarianBobolny I have a 50. I am 173 cm tall and it fits me perfectly. I am fortunate I also own a Falath rim brake same size. They are both custom painted and their paint work is unmatched. Yesterday on our club ride one of the guys brought his new Specialized Aethos on the big hill he couldn’t match the Eglath. Cheers
@@stevetreinen3342 Thanks for your reply. I am 175 cm so 50 should fit me well but I am wondering whether bigger would not be better. I see that they recommend 50 for 167-176 and 53 for 173-183... A am exactly between sizes. I would like to combine this frame with Elite wheels.
thanks for the video. I have seen this frames plenty of times and always thought the knobbly bb looked funky. Kinda disappointed to see the poor fit in the upper headset bearing
I am shocked and appalled at the less than perfectly cut intro scream.
I have an Elves Vanyar, the older version. Seatpost clamp doesn't hold the seatpost on rough roads. The clamp design is different than the one you tested. No problem with BB, spintest was excellent after installation and now 10000km later still no issue. I use a Zitto BB, standard 3 piece.
Did they give you the clear sand paper sticker to stick between the seatube and the post? It came with all my Elves.
@@thebespokecyclist3624 I don't have such sticker.
@@nlfiets Then they probably haven't been including the sandpaper sticker during that year. You should order it online somewhere should be really cheap. Very effective.
Good I was looking at this frame a few months back so good to see a review on it.
Will Smith disrespects Hambini's Hairdresser. And Hambini didn't hesitate to smack him across the dreaded cross-threaded bottom bracket!
I have elves vanyar rim brake About two years ago and until today they are great no problem with creaking noise it bottom bracket no problem with steering or headset bearing the seat never fall down the frame it’s very stiff and I like it if someone want to see more picture I’d be more than happy to share with you the company gave me a card with five years warranty but I love a hambini And I respect all of his analyze good day everyone
I'm hoping someone anonymously sends over to you a Twitter or Mountain Peak carbon road bike to represent the budget segment, and a Dare to represent mid- to high-end price range. Those brands are other examples of the more recognizable carbon road bike brands here in the Philippines (and probably South East Asia). I'm eager to see a deeper analysis (or, alternatively, roasting) of them just so we could either put them on the short list of possible bikes we might upgrade to in the future, or something to stay away from.
Holy smokes, i thought i was the only one who want Hambini to have a Twitter bike. They're quite popular here in Vietnam too. Along with Twitter bike, i hope he can get a Java and Sava bike too
True, I'm from the Philippines too, definitely would want Hambini to check out the brands you mentioned, especially Twitter and Dare. A lot of bicycle content creators here in the Philippines like Bikerdude have Dare bikes, which have influenced a lot of people to buy them (not to say that they're not great, considering the cost of the bike frame), and Twitter, Java, Sava and Mountainpeak bikes are cheap for a carbon bike, that tons of people own them. So yes, a deep review would be spectacular.
Honestly, one of the reasons I'm interested in an in-depth review/analysis is that one of my guesses why Twitter, for example, has such a bad reputation in the country is that a lot of mechanics in LBS's and owners don't know how to deal with/take care of cf bikes. I've been to at least 10 bike shops and less than half of that actually holds cf bikes and are equipped with appropriate tools and materials to handle those kinds of bikes.
I heard Twitter is made by Miracle / Falco like some Yoeleo models. I have 2 Java Fuocos and I find them to be superior to Twitter.
Looking forward to the Winspace feature. I've just built an SLC (with a Hambini BB). Apart from the BB shell being slightly undersize (easily sorted) it went together beautifully and is huge fun to ride.
Is that disc or rim brake?
@@n.eilo_rides Rim brake. Like I say - I love it!
I am very disappointend with Winspace. I bought a T1500 frame with the same bad headset bearing seat of the Elves Vanyar in this video. And personnel at customer service said is NORMAL.... normal to get a bed in a hospital!
Surprising because Cam Nichols is building this frame on his channel right now, and he took it to both a painter and a mechanic and they were both super impressed with the frame inside and out. Not only that, but Elves is currently going through the process of having their frames be UCI approved.
UCI approval? Haha, that's pretty funny! Everybody knows for the right price.....
How do you think all these shit frames get great media reviews?
He will build a Falath Pro so a completely different model
@@rollinrat4850 boomer
@@fightfan9739 Now now there's no need for that sort of thing!
They sent him the frame, that is it is hand picked by them, so it is going to be perfect. I am thinking of getting one and putting Hambini's name on the order, recon that will get me a perfect spec...
Interesting. Been waiting for this since it was posted on the community tab. Guess it's back on the drawing board for a dream lightweight frame.
I purchased this frame for a specialty climber for very steep uphill mountain road races. Gearing with a 38 x 11-50 Have not received yet, but think I made a good choice given the weight , price nd finish.. Next lightest bike your looking at a Tarmac S-works in the 5K range. A little concerned in the slack of the headset bearing. Great review - thank you.
This is my frame, since riding this I've had PRs popping up all over the place, it loves climbing!
Seems like Santa's Elves are not doing Miracles when working on their own.
Santa outsourced to Chinese manufacturing. All the Elves in the North Pole were sacked. They're collecting food stamps.
Thank you, very good review with filming of the frame and summary at the end
Good look and review. Would just fit SKS bearings into BB. Only not so good feature being top bearing fit. But compare this frameset ,with seatpin,bottom bracket,headset to any well known ‘branded’ big name,big price frameset and it offers great value....in my opinion.
Hambini, helloooo! If you ever decided to create your own bamboo bike frame line, you could call it the Bambini! I'd buy one!
Apart from the headset defect i would say this is a pretty decent deal. Maybe it's not as weak as it looks since the bearing does taper inwards. Would love to see you cover more Chinese brands, it seems like they're the best deals right now since pretty much all big name brands are made in the same factories anyway
Why would any rational person purchase a frame with a poor quality, compromised headset/fork interface? Its the connection that allows us to steer and control the bike! Have such consumers not been paying attention? Look at past and present safety recalls. This sort of shit is simply not acceptable. How stupid would you need to be?
The larger bike industry could certainly do better.
The exact reason such garbage and compromise exist in the bike industry is because unknowing ignorant consumers buy it and create the demand in the first place. The key to change is very simply not buying and demanding better. Boycotts could actually work! Haha! Until that changes all we can expect is the status quo. Or worse. Look at the high demand of new bicycles now. Why would they change when fools are so eager to lap it up?
But there are clear alternatives and good choices. Its your life and your hard earned money.
This may have just been a random as mine was fine
@@n.eilo_rides Maybe, maybe not. You don't sound so sure. True Quality is always proven. Its never assumed.
A child could have applied that 'QC' sticker on your widget. Do you KNOW who built your frame? Headsets, forks and steerers on a high performance bike are a very serious matter.....
I see headset issues, bearing fit issues and that dreaded 'ring of death' on carbon steerer tubes on a regular basis. If youve got a carbon steerer, learn what this is. It could save your life. I see it on highest end bikes too. It's caused by improper headset fit or adjustment. Its a very serious concern. I see many of the no ride safety recalls too. Another pretty common unfortunate circumstance. Bike assemblers in Asia very very rarely do their jobs right. Professional mechanics such as myself are the last 'Hope' before a consumer gets their bike. Their are plenty of problems like headsets and BBs that we simply can't improve due to crap manufacturing. Much of it, a consumer will never realize until it's too late. While I have enough pride in my work and concern for my customers to deal with a 'return to vendor' on a new bike, many shady or inexperienced 'mechanics' will just pass a reject off to the consumer. Once the bike is used for a short time, it's now that consumer's problem to deal with!
@@rollinrat4850 oh I am sure but that doesn’t suit your argument. Have you seen the SL7 recalls
@@n.eilo_rides Yup, we're a soon to be former
Special👀Ed dealer. I can't wait to not have to deal with their crap anymore.
Special👀Ed has a long history of treating its customers and dealers like shit. Not to mention filing lawsuits any time they dont get their way. Many of our customers will never buy Special👀Ed again after this recall, not to mention the way they've treated us as a company. At one time we had a good relationship with them. We sold more Special👀Ed than almost anyone in the US! But so many consumers are clueless it probably won't make much difference.
This is a really bad look for them. I know the circumstances behind that recall, how long it took them to react and how they delayed announcing the recall. Even their bandaid fix isn't engineered very well.
I'm very glad Ive never bought any of their bikes.
Even though I could get their bikes near cost, I'll always hire my friends who build custom frames. I'll pay full price for a product built by a true artisan. An experienced master craftsman. I believe it's good for local economy to support local business. Not proven greedy idiots on the other side of the world!
Now I'm learning to build my own frames. This is exactly what I'm talking about. KNOWING the source of my bikes. I can shake the guy's hand! Haha, or I can shake my own. Personally knowing the individual who builds my frame gives me actual recourse. Ive helped my friend build some of his frame tools. I walk into his shop, see his operation and his work ethic. Ive known and ridden with these guys for decades! I can participate in building my frame. My friends have been helping me learn.
DIY has the greatest potential for the highest quality because no one else can possibly give a shit more than the end user! I'm very willing to accept responsibility and build my own stuff. I take pride in my work. A custom frame will get you EXACTLY what you want. Unlike buying a production bike designed to generate profit to stockholders.
Again, all the compromise the larger bike industry makes is just for profit. The larger bike industry doesn't give a shit about consumers.
People such as my frame builder friends and myself do this stuff because we're passionate about bicycles. I'm sort of retired. I only wrench in a shop because I enjoy it and maybe some benefits on the side. If I can't enjoy my work I'll quit and find a better situation. We all spend far too much time working not to enjoy our work. I'm not doing it merely for the money. At least that's how I see it.
thanks for kindness share honesr reviews,u have saved my life and others too
Just build a 2019 De Rosa Protos. Wish I could have sent it to you first. Absolute engineering work of art. Internal surfaces completely smooth, through-tapped Italian BB, direct mount brakes, flawless paint.
I heard the actual carbon construction is meh though. Hambini should do a video.
@@Spiritdiver where did you hear that? Would be interested to read.
@@nstrug A bike brands importer. He was looking for another brand to bring here and while De Rosa is selling lots especially to women he said the reality is the carbon itself isn't constructed any better than some Chinese ones. Very pretty paint though.
@@Spiritdiver hmm, maybe my customer got a good one then. It was certainly much better quality (visual inspection) than some big name bikes I have built recently. I really liked the through-tapped Italian threaded BB in particular, such a simple solution to concentricity and alignment. Didn’t require any facing and very cleanly tapped. I’d say it was the cleanest and easiest carbon rim brake frame I’ve built - no surprises, very straightforward routing, and nice touches like direct mount brakes.
Of course the frame could be full of voids but I wouldn’t know as I don’t have anything to do NDT on it.
ELVES has left the building
Would be nice to see how this rides, it is especially important how it descends (the stability of it), how the front end/back end absorb shocks and how behaves in a full out sprint...
Hi, Hambini. Here in the Philippines Elves have done a wonderful job marketing their frames. A lot of my customers and friends use it here mostly MTB's because they are extremely lightweight around 1kg (in comparison I have a GT Zaskar Carbon Pro it weighs 1.2kgs). They're extremely popular, mainly because the marketing strategy was incredibly good and they've been targeting the middle class sector of society here, it's extremely affordable (32,000 Pesos, around 475 pounds) and whereas most well known brands sporting carbon fiber frame like Giant, GT, Trek start upwards of 50,000 pesos or around 1,000 pounds. I do know that they have some issues, some frames have defects, my friend even got a seatstay broken but mostly because of a crash (though a minor one at that). The colorways are one that attracts the buyers, I guess because of it's eye catching design. But overall, its fairly decent and better than those cheap knockoffs from eBay and Alibaba.
To rollinrat and Pierre X , if you take another look at the seatpost, it is actually round not aero, He even mentions it in his review.so I think the extra nm on spec sheet might actually be ok, as round seatposts tend to be a bit more robust than Aero ones. Depending of coarse on the quality of the carbon ,and thickness as one would think.
yeees! A new Hambini video 💪👍
I Love that show Engineer Hambini 🙏❤️
Great vid again, love the techy silver pointy thing. You need to expand your collection. Glad you bike with your hair dresser! Riding is fun! How's your over channel doing?
Thanks Chris
Surely, once preloaded, all the force on the headset bearings is supported by the 45degree taper? So the loose fitting top bearing and thin side wall on the bottom seat wouldn’t be an issue?
Yeah that's my thought. You really can't tell when its all disassembled. The compression ring should take out the play once its preloaded. If its still loose after that, then you've got worries.
Having a conventional
27.2 seat post is a plus for me and something I'd consider on a new frame. I've had the slack headset bearings , at least one and I'm thinking it's done to allow for variances. I epoxy the bearing in on assembly .
If that's good enough for pressfit shit BBs, it must be good enough for the assembly that allows you to steer and control your bike.
@@rollinrat4850 boomer
thanks, been eyeing this one for quite a while. Guess I'll just go with trifox.
Nowadays, cheap carbon frame actually more than enough to win the stage in local event. Recently 400usd bike frame already won first place in the event.
However need to find those cheap brand that are trusted such winspace, elves, pardus, polygon, trifox etc.
what do you think about bxt?
gotta love that Pentel graphgear. Fantastic pencil.
At 7:20 "I don't think it will put you in the hospital" sounds like an advertisement for an automobile manufactured in the USA in the 1960's and 70's
The roughness of the internal looks pretty the same of a Chinese frameset I got recently, and that frameset I got is even heavier and more expensive than elves.
I have all of the Elves top 3: Falath, Eglath, Vanyar along with Ican and a slew of other Ali sourced Chinese frames. The Eglath comes out as the best by far which is to be expected as the Vanyar is actually the oldest frame in their lineup right now. The Vanyar is simply ourdated (my mechanic agrees) and imo only suitable for a pure climbing bike unlike the solid potholes slaying 200 km touring Eglath. The Falath is a pleasure to ride with but the geometry is unusual which prompted me to use a 2 cm longer stem so check it out carefully before ordering. I also heard that Elves uses a different factory for every single one of their models and seeing the differences I tend to believe.
Also in regards to their ceramic BBs, yes they are slightly better than the $12 ones you see on Ali and like them it's a gamble whether you get a smooth rolling or rough bearing which requires an exchange (not even imagining how long they'll last). I'm lucky that all of mine are smooth but will replace with Hambini's when they go out.
Personally, I don't find the Vanyar outdated. This is not an aero profile bike. There is a rim brake version. That obviously doesn't make it an outdated bike. On the contrary, its head tube is low. While browsing a site on bicycle geometry, I saw that size 52 (mine) is more race-oriented than 54. I am 178 cm tall. In fact, it's a light bike (that's for sure), responsive and absorbs the roughness of the road very well.
@@arnaudseynaeve9266 I was referring to the overall design of the Vanyar vs Eglath. The Vanyar's carbon layup is also inferior according to my mechanic though I was most impressed with the Falath. It was really odd that there are major differences between the models but a brand importer told me Elves use different factories so it made sense. He wouldn't tell me which model is produced by which factory though.
@@Spiritdiver It's all very vague. Has your mechanic scanned the frame with appropriate devices? I see Hambini talking about Miracle cycling. I saw the same thing with Yoeleo. I sent an email to Miracle cycling to find out if they produced Yoeleo frames. They answered yes at one time but now Yoeleo is copying them. Where do we go if the Chinese copy the Chinese? I will add that impressions are very subjective. Take a Rapha jersey for example. Then read the comments. Some find it too big, others find it too small.
@@arnaudseynaeve9266 The differences even inside the frame (cleanliness, carbon thickness, etc) are so apparent that we don't even need to use devices. The guy handles mostly top end Pinarellos, Cervelos, and a sleuth of other high end frames. Miracle doesn't have Yoeleo's newer models like the 21 which I'm interested in testing out someday. As mentioned before we found the Falath to be the best constructed but it's a purely aero bike and I use it for racing only. The Eglath is as good or even better than my Wilier Cento10NDR even if I have to downsize since the measured top tube geometry on site is off by a lot. If there is a minus with Elves it's the wonky geometries.
That dropout is gonna be a problem. First of all it's too tight with the carbon poking in the hole, you have to grind some material off the hanger to even get the axle in. Second, if you end up with not quite symmetrical dropouts you're gonna have to compromise wheel dishing so it's not too much off at either upper or lower rear fork tubes. Still maybe not able to use the largest rated tire size.
Edit: worst outcome - the axle is just short enough to fit in but when you tighten the quick release it's not the locknut that tightens against the frame, but the axle end that tightens against the hanger
Not a problem on mine especially compared to ICan. But cable routing is a bitch compared to the Falath and Eglath since this is an old model. Ridewise it's fast and comfortable with hookless 28 tubeless though I wouldn't call it a good climber.
I've ordered a elves falath (aero bike), should be here soon, looks good
You foolish man!
How did it turn out?
Need more videos like this, love it!!!!!!
we still waiting for your's Look review!
the marking is mirrored, which was possibly on something supporting the carbon, like on the mould;-AT-029-WT-PU
Last week i build FUJI SL (Ali knock off version) the frame it self weight just 765gram. Included the fork, headset bearing & seatclamp its 1227gram. I own a Vanyar disc for couple months, throw them into marketplace after the endless disc rubbing, also its not that light just like they marketing slogan😆
Link for that Fuji pls?
¿What would be a decent DIY repair for that upper headset slack fit?
Filling it with epoxy or shiming it with soda cans Could Work?
The brand is very famous in Malaysia. They have one of the nicest frame color too.
Nearly bought the frame but end up bought cheaper Chinese frame Delihea.
Hows the delihea?
@@hakdocarmwrestlingmd Nearly 1000km rode... the frame is great... stiff yet comfortable and for a 120kg rider... it quite fast.
@@bobtahar thanks!
thanks for this review, what is the max tire size this frame takes?
@Hambini is the top headset bearing by any chance 41mm? They may have sent the wrong one. If the gap is that small it may be because they should have sent 41.8mm.
Could be but the pack that comes with it is like a universal pack containing their bb, gear hanger and various other bits. If they have sent the wrong one then loads of them will be wrong
Funnily enough many nominally 52mm lower headset bearings are 51.8 mm. I've put a 51.8 in a 52 mm headtube without any consequences, won't fit a 52 mm bearing in a 51.8 mm headtube - obviously. Plenty of people running 45 degree bearings on a 36 degree bearings seat (crown race) without knowing it as well. Luckily enough tapered bearings have a lot of tolerance and the line load isn't destructive.
I can't wait for then to release the Presley frame!!!
I have had terrible luck with Carbon! I just ordered a new Moots Vamoots RSL and cannot wait to receive it. Carbon is great when done correctly but I guess i just have no luck since all my carbon bikes had defects :(
Mind you, titanium is great when done correctly too (which I would expect Moots to be, but...). Hambini reviewed a Ti frame recently - not by Moots - and it wasn't exactly great.
Enjoy your new ride!
@@dlevi67 Agree 100%! That is why I went with Moots and not another brand :).
Ironically I signed up for square space today. But didn’t know Hambini had a promo code 😣
Also ouch, I’m glad I didn’t pull the trigger on that Vanyar frame last year.
Why? Doesn't look all that bad. Check the Bowman video ;-)
@@4nz-nl if we are going to use Bowman as a reference of quality, then my kid’s Strider bike is built better than 85 Bowmans
And the Vanyar is maybe 45 Bowmans
I have to say I have been riding the vanya frame for 5 months now
Cosmetically the frame looks good but I have been told that The inner frames quit rough by the bike mechanic I've not had any issues structurally with this bike ive found the frame to be stiff and lite.
But I would not recommend anyone over 75/80 kilos riding this bike. And a can understand why it is big in the Philippines suiting the smaller lighter rider.
I'm under 60 kilos myself.
I don't know how we will go in one year but so far so good.
Same experience for me. Didn’t have the headset bearing defects on his frame. With some Winspace Hyper 38s it rides really well. Had 55/60 Tokyo wheels on it before and it was a bit wallowy
When I built the bike and saw the frame inside out I realized early on that this will strictly be a slow climbing bike as I would not put my safety having cracked frame over major potholes which are plenty where I'm at.
I love this guy's princess blanket thing. Be just does not care. Brill
My friend ordered a vanyar frameset and the seatstay broke in in less than 3 months. Warranty will replace the frame. But he has no idea how this happened. Maybe it's a construction or factory issue. After searching a few groups he found that other customers had the same problem in the same place.
Same here, but they didnt change the frame. They saif it’s manufacture defect. But it’s not
@@olivefayebautista7008 my friend already received the new frame from warranty. But he changed for aero frame called Fallath.
Is the wall of the headset bearing seat not really load bearing? Considering once you tighten it all up with the compression plug the bearing is up against the seat and not really against the walls.
Speaking of Chinese/taiwanese brand. Has hambini himself hear about brand MOSSO?.
they have nice alloy and carbon frame. I hope mr hambini try to cover that brand. And fingers crossed kept banging your hairdresser.
HASA juga lah...
Wish he would check the 790 pro 2 coz thats what I have, very light Alu frame.
I'm just very happy there's bike frames named after Tolkien lore.
I might need to buy this
Link for the OEM mold?
20:19 Fiberglass to insulate any metal/carbon ? If there are no bolts there it would be stupid though.
Explains why theres many 2nd hand Elves frame for sale in the FB market even with all the marketing hype im my country ( Philippines ) time will tell how this would affect their market value😅
Marketing got Ph, people also kept saying its a filipino made brand or Japan based. Smh
@@patrickpaulo34 Japanese carbon fiber material doesn't mean sh*t when frame itself made with low quality.
Have you ever tested a chapter 2 frameset?
Watching this again, another channel is building one of these up. His bike guy reckons its decent, although they did wonder if elves knew who was buying it
I want a Hambini frame, come on man start making your own frames,I would be the first to buy, all Hambini fans would get a discount.
I'm already on it
XC forward geometry Hardtail similar to the Mondraker Podium and Roadbike frame heheh painted hambini Orange and that Squirrel as a headtube badge I would love one of the MTB frame
@@Hambini Road/Gravel/Cycle Cross/Mountain/Time Trial bike?
road bike
@@Hambini Who will do business with you?? Haha, Every freakin bike will need to be a
'Hambini special' !
Years ago when I raced I might even consider one, but I'm old and rather set in my ways.
Hi @Hambini , if we apply a carbon paste on already rough surface like on that seatpost and on some C. handlebars, do we increase its roughness (grip) or we actually make it finer ?
sandpaper logic
Rougher as tried on my actual Vanyar seatpost and which it needs unlike my ICan.
This is pretty typical of what you see in a Chinese frame. Your assessment is spot on, but it supports the hypothesis that every frame you have been given for evaluation due to a complaint is in fact an outlier.
not really, the sample size is 1 - that's the argument everyone else uses. So I bought a winspace frame and that review is coming next week!
@@Hambini looking forward to the t1500 review, pretty sure it is going to be a good quality frameset (prefer the looks of the slc2.0 though).
Just wondering if maybe somewhere in the future you could do a review on a cheap wheelset like the vision team comp sl 35 and give us some insight on what you really get when you spend 200 euro. I'm now using these and have to say that they roll along quite well.
will do
@@Hambini I am not making that same argument. I will preface my response by saying I'm a quality engineer.....I think there is a significant difference between evaluating a single random production sample and evaluating a sample provided to you by an end user that has already screened it for an issue.
I am not defending the quality of the frames, there are many issues that you come across in your evaluation that are the result of common cause variation and would likely be easily found in production samples.
Some of what you find in some of the more extreme examples, specifically the severe mis-alignment of the bottom bracket shells. I would characterize this as a result of special cause variation, and would not likely be found in normal production sampling(ie AQL).
Now it bears stating that the competency in GD&T is probably quite limited in the bike manufacturing industry as GD&T is not well understood in nearly any industry I've been in (including aerospace)
Very much looking forward to your evaluation of the Winspace frame. I am considering buying one of these.
@@howardkeylin5627 I believe you are overthinking the sample size concern. The impression I got from the video is that someone really did just randomly purchase this and sent it to Hambini for an evaluation. I do not think any discretion was used in frame selection.
How to identify resin pooling vs tenting?
You should check out Devel A01, I really want to hear your opinion on it
I'm from the Philippines, and I could say that many here use Elves as their bike frame. Definitely would want Hambini to check out brands like Twitter, Mountainpeak, Java, Sava, or Dare, which are also seen carbon bike brands that come from China/Taiwan. A lot of bicycle content creators here in the Philippines like Bikerdude have Dare bikes, which have influenced a lot of people to buy them (not to say that they're not great, considering the cost of the bike frame), and Twitter, Java, Sava and Mountainpeak bikes are cheap for a carbon bike, that tons of people own them. So yes, a deep review would be spectacular.
Dare is too pricey to begin with😅
How is the review of elves in the Philippines?
Dare is used by NORWAY on UCI races. Why include them on the list?
@@calebmercado8272 i dont think you know hambini that well... hambini has a lot of gripe when it comes to western or european frames. regardless from where the hell it was made and where it came from. there shouldnt be an exception. even if its the most trusted brand out there.
If you have to fix the landing of the bearing, how will you do that? I have got a similar problem on my frame.
Tin foil
@@Hambini thank you. Initially I was thing about epoxy with carbon powder, but it reminds me of one of your video.
anyone have a longterm review of this bike frame?
Of all the issues that upper headset bearing seat looks to be problematic. I could imagine that allowing the fork to move around in the headset and possibly cause wear to the lower seat. I’m not sure the price point on this product but it sure makes a strong case for a high end aluminum frame!
Depends. Crown bearing...bears...the most of the forces. The upper bearing often really only needs to shore up once you preload onto the compression ring on these integrated sets. Not saying this frame is passable. But play in the upper when disassembled isn't "necessarily" an issue.
@@cjohnson3836I had the same issue with my T1500 aero frame by Winspace and I confirm what you said, the fork tube remains very stable once tensioned, but in any case I don't feel very comfortable ... I filled the gap with brass foil and it works, of course it's a defect serious enough. In this case the frame should be returned to the manufacturer, but they have not recognized the defect.
Have you heard anything about Ceccotti frames?
I have tried to understand what is said in the video but I am from Spain and my English is very limited. Could someone tell me what conclusions Hambini draws from this painting?
it's like painting with dog shite.
@@Hambini spoken like a 5 YO
He said to buy 2 of them
También soy hablante hispano pero en mi caso hablo ingles, si no entiendes lo que dice, te recomiendo ver el video desde un computador, activar los subtitulos y en la configuración, traducirlos directamente a español, con eso será suficiente para ver el video y entender, saludos.
He said he loved it and you should buy it! 😉
winspace slc2.0 please. Great review. Pity you couldn't have seen what it would take to break it :-)
Elves has left the building...
18:13 BEARING mind 😂😂😂😂😂
damn i thought nobody would get that
headset bearing is 41mm instead of 41.8mm ?
its the one that was supplied
"Did you hear that? We're going to see the Elves"
Thanks Hambini.
I see some velobuild in the manufacturing and accessories
Hi Hambini, I'm riding an Elves Falath (the aero frame) with the same BB. I was wondering what your opinion would be, since I've seen your powerpoints on where chinese ceramic bearings end up :D (And they're already wearing after like 1000km)
Would it be worth replacing just the bearings? And if what bearing size do I need? I would prefer not to spend 200 euros on a new Hambini BB even though it would probably be better. Cheers
The one supplied with this one was crap. It would really need a mild whiffle before installation
I ditched the crap BB and used a Shimano instead
If you don't watch with the volume maxed at midnight then can you really say that you're a Hambini fan?
I really think that Elves is just Velobuild frames slapped with a logo
Hambini time !!!!
Love you Hambini, but you can’t fully capture the hilariousness of this frame unless you pronounce the brand “elves” and not “ell-vez.”
I was going for Elvis
Not only elves - light elves.
Still waiting for someone to inspect another popular china carbon bike "Java Fuoco 2021"... we have seen Sava, Elves but not Java yet.
Elves owner must be a huge Tolkien fan.
ICAN > TRIFOX > ELVES..... This is what I get so far...
I'd still go for trifox because its now available here in PH
MOUNTAINPEAK REXTON 7000 MASTERRACE
I get hold of that frame with my motorway pillars I'd obliterate that bottom bracket wall.
I uploaded a vid comparing the Vanyar vs Eglath vs Falath for those interested.
Great review
pleasa review winspace SLC 2.0 frame ,it is a climbing bike frame very light,tq
seat post is aluminum?
Quite a few tools in that garage.
Great vid 5 year old. Basically your saying it’s unrideable , top headset bearing loose and wall thin to hold fork, plus a filler in frame , it’s a crash waiting to happen.
I wonder if the company sent you one would it be better. Customer items are basically the only true inspection results . Hanbini specials waste of time.
Watching Your other reviews of "Big Brands" for setting the base level, You are actually doing quite an advertisement to the Elvis 🙂or Elves brand. I'm having it on the radar after this
Put the sponsor later...I had a chance to turn down the volume.
There's is nothing childish about a working pen..... I value the pen test.