Prog Epics Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 30 апр 2024
- Ranking some long-ass epic prog tracks. Which are your favorite?
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foxtrot 13 WTF , joe dont let jason near prog anymore, for gods sake
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I absolutely love A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers by Van der Graaf Generator (23 minutes), its like a darker and heavier version of Supper's Ready.
S-Tier:
Yes - Gates of Delirium, Yours Is No Disgrace, Awaken, Starship Trooper, Heart of the Sunrise, South Side of the Sky, Roundabout
Rush - Xanadu, Cygnus X-1 (books 1 & 2), La Villa Strangiato, Jacob's Ladder, Natural Science, and The Camera Eye
Genesis - Supper's Ready, The Cinema Show, The Battle of Epping Forest, Firth of Fifth
Pink Floyd - Echoes, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Dogs, Sheep
King Crimson - Starless, In The Court of the Crimson King, Epitaph
I even enjoy the tier lists when I don't care about the subject. Lol I'm not a prog person, but I'm always a TLM tier person.
Because most prog is awful😂
@@Leo-qe3gl Nah
@@user-br2gi8kh5s Do you love Prog?😳
10) And You and I- YES 9) Baker St. Muse-JETHRO TULL 8) Heart of the Sunrise-YES 7) Shine on You Crazy Diamond-PINK FLOYD 6)-A Passion Play-JETHRO TULL 5) Trilogy-ELP 4) Selling England by the Pound-GENESIS 3) Nu Sommes du soleil-YES
2) Thick as a Brick-JETHRO TULL 1) Minstrel in the Gallery-JETHRO TULL
My personal top 10:
1. Genesis- Supper's ready
2. Between the buried and me- Sun of nothing
3. Mastodon- The last baton
4. Converge- Jane Doe
5. Devin Townsend- Bastard
6. David Bowie- Station to station
7. ELP- Trilogy
8. Dream theater- Six degrees of inner turbulence
9. Metallica- Orion
10. Kendrick Lamar- Sing about me I'm dying of thirst
Cool idea limiting yourselves to a smaller selection for this.
My favourite from your tier list though has to be Supper's Ready, by a mile.
Forgot Station to Station, would be my favorite on the list.
My top 5 prog epics:
1. Yes - The Revealing Science of God
2. Genesis - Supper's Ready
3. Rush - 2112
4. ELP - Tarkus
5. King Crimson - Starless
Good loooong (not necessarily prog) songs:
Pink Floyd: Echoes
Secret Machines: First Wave Intact
Wilco: Spiders (Kidsmoke)
Dan Bern: Thanksgiving Day Parade
Sisters of Mercy: This Corrosion
Willard Grant Conspiracy: The Visitor
Joseph Arthur: Termite Song
Television: Marquee Moon
Mercury Rev: Frittering
Pink Floyd: Animals (3 epics)
Gillian Welch: I Dream A Highway
Neil Young: Broken Arrow (3 epics)
Smashing Pumpkins: Starla
David Bowie: Station to Station
Bob Dylan: Key West (Philosopher Pirate). Joe probably not allowed to listen to that one, lol.
Stuart
Supertramp"s "Even In The Quietest Moments" which features the 11-minute epic "FOOL'S OVERTURE" should have made the list (A or S tier)... it's a totally different era from "Brother Where You Bound" as Roger had already left the band. "FOOL'S OVERTURE" and the entire album is SOOOOO much better than the later work... including "Brother..." ...but I get it... Can't have EVERY album on there.... Also: Having "Supper's Ready" behind "Driving the Last Spike" would be a crime against humanity. And... "Selling England" is objectively brilliant. So there.
King Crimson's epic is 'Starless' also a left field choice for me is 10cc's 11 and half minute epic 'Feel the Benefit' from the album 'Deceptive Bends'
Great video! I really enjoyed watching this!
"awsome long song" totally agree, never really think of floyd as prog.
A couple of outliers as the acts are themselves are not considered prog: TELEGRAPH ROAD by Dire Straits and Macho City by The Steve Miller Band. The former clocks in at about 15 minutes while the latter encroaches on 18 and a half.
Todd Rundgren's Utopia: The Ikon, is a true epic tour de force of a track too!!! Love it!
Close to the Edge guys? Why add Relayer while Jason says Close to the Edge is better? And what about Echoes? Starless?
Yea they didn't really pick the better epics imo. I personally like Tarkus more than Karn Evil 9, but that's just me.
Because nothing matters
Valid answer @tasteslikemusic
@@TastesLikeMusic That's the most prog response ever
Good video guys, thanks for doing these. What about a tier list of debut albums? Just a suggestion. Thanks
Swap Queen and King Crimson.
King Crimson is THE PROG BAND
It was nice of Pink Floyd to follow-up the massive success of Dark Side with Shine On You Crazy Diamond a homage to Syd who they wished was along for the journey. Hard to top that guitar 🎸 at the beginning.
Well said!
Some great long songs that could be considered “ prog-adjacent “;
Marquee Moon-Television
Willie the Pimp-Frank Zappa
Stargazer-Rainbow
Ballerina-Van Morrison
Whatevershebringswesing-Kevin Ayers
I don't like most Prog. But you helped me realize that the great Van Morrison's Astral Weeks album is Folk Prog. And Marquee Moon is a great song. And I liked the Kevin Ayers song - sweet sentiments in that song. But not moving on my overall opinion of Prog.
An almost endless list that could have included epics by the following artistes&
The Orb - A huge ever growing pulsatiing brain...
Agitation Free - Laila II
Underworld - Mmm skyscraper i love you
Can - Yoo Doo Right
Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Parts 1&2
Hawkwind - Orgone Accumulator
Pink Fairies- Uncle Harry's Last Freakout
Van der Graaf Generator - A plague of lighthouse keepers
Roy Harper - The Same Old Rock
Mighty Baby - A blanket in my muesli
Grateful Dead - Dark Star
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Who do you love?
Material - Mantra
Mike Oldfield - Hergest Ridge Part 1
Gong - Isle of Everywhere
Steve Hillage - Aftaglid
Dashiell Heydayat - Eh Mushroom...
IQ - The Last Human Gateway
Follakzoid - Trees
Fairport Convention - A Sailor's Life
Thirteenth Floor Elevators - Slip inside this house
Wishbone Ash - Phoenix
The list (and some of the tracks) is endless....
What are the hallmarks of Prog? Multi-movement compositions of extended length;
and classical and jazz influence. I don't know as I don't like most of it. Is Prog rock also sometimes a concept album or song within a song?
Are these borderline prog or prog in any sense? Aja by Steely Dan , Traffic- The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys? That is definitely one. Some ELO songs? The Move? Springsteen's The Wild, the Innocent.. E Street Shuffle? I do like that Prog.
Relayer is the only Yes album with Patrick Moraz & I agree with Jason , Close To The Edge is the better song by far.
Well, I'm definitely no expert on prog epics but what I know here I have no complaints. I appreciate that you decided to go with some variety in what you chose. Why not?
suppers ready and shine on you crazy diamond my top 2 here
Jason and Joe nade my musical heart happy when they put "The Prophet Song" on S-Tier. 🎶
My S Tier Epics - Funeral For a Friend, Love Lies Bleeding, Genesis Firth of Fifth, Side Two of The Cars Debut Bye Bye Love, Moving in Stereo, All Mixed Up.
Yikes! When I first started watching your channel a few years ago, I always thought 'You guys need to cover more Prog', but after following you for quite awhile now and hearing your comments on most prog artists and albums, my thought now is 'Please stop.' Just kidding, it's always interesting to hear your takes on things, even when you don't know what you are talking about. And when Jason talks about prog, Oh My. Reluctantly putting 'Supper's Ready' in 'B' when he really wanted to put in 'D', was just too much. For me, It belongs at the very top of 'S', as the greatest Prog song ever and one the greatest songs ever.
My 'S' tier (of those included in this list): Supper's Ready, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Thick as a Brick, Karn Evil 9, Tubular Bells.
'A' Tier: 2112, Remember The Future, Gates of Delirium, Nine Feet Underground, In Held Twas In I.
Other favorites not included would be Close to the Edge, Tarkus, Starless, Fool's Overture, many others.
"It's an instrumental, so it can't be that great" is a bizarre comment. Anyway, my fave Prog, and I use that term loosely, tracks.
Interstellar Overdrive-Pink Floyd
Brainstorm-Hawkwind
Flying Teapot-Gong
Father Cannot Yell-Can. If Queen is Prog than so is Can.
La Le Lo-Acid Mothers Temple
Ruins-Henry Cow
Starless-King Crimson
The Musical Box-Genesis
Nopeuskuningas-Circle
Stain On The Sun-The Bevis Frond. Is The Bevis Frond prog? Some songs straddle the line and a few Prog chat sites mention him, so I'll put this one on my list. They have longer, more obviously Prog tunes, but this is my favorite.
Will there be a Mike Oldfield listography someday? I would appreciate that (probably more than you guys would...)
As Tubular Bells is my favourite album of all time, I would be interested to know what Jason would say beyond 'not a big fan of Tubular Bells myself.' Like, why? And I would be interested to know what Joe would say beyond 'I don't care'.
Someday.
Seriously?? You didn’t include Close To The Edge? One of the best songs in any genre, let alone prog!!!
Fly From Here (Trevor Horn version) deserves placement at the top.
A pretty good tier list .
I would have Thick as a Brick in S , and Karen Evil 9 in A .
Actually , I would have included ELP's Tarkus as well , Ice from Camel , and Heart of the Sunrise from Yes .
Cheers !
Wobbler - From Silence To Somewhere
Hypnos 69 - Requiem For A Dying Creed
Rush - Cygnus X-1
Pink Floyd - Dogs
I like Tull's "My God" but the early version might not be epic enough for your consideration at just over 9 minutes but does warrant at least an honorable mention.
Have Prophet Song switch places with Tubular Bells and you have the correct Prog Epic Tier List
Have you guys ever heard "Nuclear Apathy" by Crack The Sky? Great stuff from their 1978 album "Safety In Numbers".
Yeah the band is from around Pittsburgh actually. - Joe
I’m a big Crack the Sky fan. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic It is borderline criminal that they never got above #126 on the album chart.
They still play round baltimore
i will never understand jasons hatred of porcupine tree , just dont get it
My Ashes is a great song by them.
@@davidellis5141 agreed i like most all their music Inabsentia is my fav album
@bengalgangster I like that & Deadwing & Fear Of A Blank Planet .. Dude from Japan is in them. White Sox have nowhere to go but up ! Probably sweep The Dodgers.
Hey, bengal! I don't get it, either.
@@weirddebbiem1619Well , we all agree ! 👍
One of 3 things needs to happen in these tier list videos:
1. You both need to enunciate more clearly so I can understand the band, song, or album title
2. Add subtitles to videos
or
3. I need to get more hip
While the probability of numbers 1 & 2 is out of my hands, I can tell you that #3 is quite unlikely
Maybe
songs that would make my list
genesis 1 watchers of the skis ,,2 the fountains of salmacis
pink floyd sheep
yes perpetual change
king crimson , in the court of the crimson king
and dont forgt the band camel
Great list, bengal. 🎶💜💜
Rush - Cygnus X-1 Book II is my favorite epic. (Every Rush epic is great).
Phish - Divided Sky is excellent and another favorite of mine.
elp and king crimson are easy S. other than that a tearless tier list.
How were these epics picked? The 2 from Yes are far from their best. Where is Siberian Khatru and I've Seen All Good People? At least Joe redeemed himself with his picks at the end.
You should check Roy Harper's One Of Those Days In England (Parts 2-10)
Good call but all four long tracks on Stormcock are even better.
@@iangates9464 Some may be, arguably Same Old Rock and Me and My Woman. But I think OOTDIE is the ultimate Harper epic, regardless of being better or worse. It beats the shit out of anything on their list 😄
I'm more of a fan of "The Czar". That awesome Deep Purple like organ opening sells it.
Thick as a Brick is odd for me, because side 1 would be my favorite on the list, but side 2 is a drag. Shine on you crazy diamond and Suppers Ready would be obvious S tier for me, prefer Hemispheres to 2112. Close to the edge is the greatest prog classic, but Gates of Delirium an A as well.
Two epics that get overlooked are A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers by Van Der Graff Generator and Solar Musick Suite by Steve Hillage. And I guess Halleluwah by Can , but this channel doesn’t love Kraut/Motorik. lol
Rush is my fave band of all-time and 2112 is my fave song of all-time so that track anywhere other than S tier is a travesty! I know Jason said it would be S tier for him! Good man!
Anesthetise in D tier with Brother Where You Bound, and a Queen song in S tier because it's not real prog so it's not unfashionable to like, I'm actually sick of a certain part of the online music community where they will never give prog it's credit (especially modern prog)
Which part exactly. The dozens of prog loving RUclips channels? RYM, where every single prog album ever gets bolded? - Joe
echoes by pink floyd is unmatched
I'm fine with The Prophet's Song at the top. It's about as epic and progressive as it gets. As for omitted prog songs, how about "That, That Is" by Yes? That may be the best of Yes' late-period prog.
Cassandra Gemini is easy S tier for me
i'm going to pretend to be offended. A C for Lark's Tongues? It's S tier for me so i figured you folks might go A. Certainly not B. But C? i'm clutching my pearls in dismay.
Before starting this, I'm expecting some hot takes on some of these...hahahah
Hey Guys! Always enjoy your Videos, but why not a Ranking for
- Focus
- Supertramp
- Ten CC
This could be very intersting
Already did Supertramp!
@@TastesLikeMusic Oh, never found this, I will watch it
Jesus, every week you guys prove to me how much you don't like Great Music and love the (just ok stuff) "the songs so long" yeah, that's why it Prog? No, Court of the Crimson King, Close to the Edge, Magnum Opus, Echoes and many others!
We didn’t want to pick too obvious ones. - Joe
You guys customized this list? I get how you wanted a bit of variety.
I agree with you on Propet's Song..best Queen song ever.
Gates of Delirium tho..way too low..best Yes song ever.
Dream Theater?..Octavarium too low, although it's not their best. Unsure why you decided not to choose A Change of Seasons though.
No Marillion or Fates Warning of course, but you guys aren't into them. Anesthestize?..I find way overrated regardless of Lifeson's solo. Porcupine Tree's best track and epic for me is Arriving Somewhere But Not Here.
Cassandra Gemini is peak Mars Volta..I'd have it at least an A..maybe S.
You should do more of a mid-length Prog epic list and include like Rush's Natural Science.
A few odd 'epics' in there. I only listen to Lark's Tongues, Nine Feet Underground, Gates, Supper's Ready, Brick and Shine On. Unlike most, I think 2112 is really boring and it makes me laugh a little. ELP were truly awful for the most part. I don't like much else on the list.
I would have had Starless and Close to the Edge on the list. Dogs, Pigs or Sheep by Pink Floyd. I prefer Baker Street Muse to Thick but the earlier album deserves to be there.
I think Gates of Delerium is almost as good as Close to the Edge and would leave it on the list but remove that late period abomination. Yes should have packed it in a long time ago.
No, no, no. An epic is at least fifteen minutes minimum. Anything else is considered a mini-epic. Twelve minutes MAYBE for an epic, but nothing under ten minutes. To me, that kind of disqualifies many of the choices here. I would have taken out the short Genesis song and added a Marillion song, too. “Close to the Edge” over the other Yes choices as well.
No Spock’s Beard? No Flower Kings? No Transatlantic? Those are three excellent bands from the 90s and beyond in the modern day Prog sphere. I definitely have more of an issue with the song choices than their placement, since that’s always subjective. And, one man’s gold is another’s trash… and vice versa.
If you would like any assistance with Prog - or prog - in the future, I’d be happy to avail my services to you. I’ve been a fan since the late 70s/early 80s. Maybe not as long as the great Scot Lade from The Prog Corner, but he’s a true renaissance man. Oh wait! That’s another band missing from the choices here: Renaissance.
To paraphrase Jacopo Peterman from a classic Seinfeld episode, “Kudos men, on a job… done.”
Cheers 🍻 from The Big Apple. 🍎
Rock Out, Prog On and Pogo!
Your pal and mine,
~ The Dreaded, Shredded and Unleaded ⛽️ Davey Cretin from CRETIN CLASSICS.
PS: The length and breadth of THIS very missive makes it prog. Bwhahahahahahahaha!
Why Lark's Tongue over Starless?
Good point!
Todd Rundgren's Utopia album is basically one long track and is superb. On your list top is Karn Evil 9. Is Kramser coming back?
I’m a massive Todd fan, but I could easily live without that album. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic Yeah, I agree, Todd's great.
Prog is an unfairly ridiculed genre. Angels Egg and Rock Bottom are prog and widely seen as masterpieces. Never knew some folks perceived Queen as Prog.
When they do the 1974 deep dive Rock Bottom will be in my top five, maybe even number one.
@@johnlefsky8731 I don't think these folks go ''deep'' into genres. Focus on the more well known releases.
Rock Bottom is cool. Not top 25 though. - Joe
@@blombidobadila8084 Sometimes when they go into deep dives they can surprise you.
@@TastesLikeMusic Top 5 of the 20th century potentially. Widely seen as equivalent to the Rite of Spring, In C, Comme a la Radio and so on. A Queen Lp might scrape into the top 50,000.
It's certainly an interesting/controversial choice of songs. Although I appreciate you tried to get as many bands in as possible. For me any of the three long songs on Animals would be high up on this list.
We Can't Dance??? Not what i would consiser prog from any era ....
Where's The Ikon, Jason? I guess my favorite from this batch is Larks or Gates of Delirium.
I'm not huge on that era of Todd or Utopia. The Ikon would probably be C or D tier for me. -Jason
@@TastesLikeMusic I actually listened to it the other day and found it a little more disjointed than I used to. The last 10 minutes kinda run out of steam and have a "everything but the kitchen sink" feeling.
I think Utopia theme is a better epic. Ikon would be a B or B+ for me.
Don't Push Me Cause I'm Close To The Edge !! 😠 😡 .. 😬 .. Wrong genre .. I'll ✅️ myself out.
Fox Trot and Supper's Ready are not overrated. Supper's Ready is top 5 songs of all time in my opinion.
Adding fuel to my overrated theory
1. Coheed and Cambria - 21:13
2. Genesis - Driving the Last Spike
3. Yes - Fly from Here
4. Mastodon - The Last Baron
5. Queen - The Prophet's Song
6. Tool - 7empest
7. Rush - 2112
8. Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize
9. Supertramp - Brother Where You Bound
10. The Mars Volta - Cassandra Gemini
11. Yes - The Gates of Delirium
12. Procol Harum - In Held 'Twas in I
13. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Karn Evil 9
14. King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic
15. Caravan - Nine Feet Underground
16. Dream Theater - Octavarium
17. Nektar - Remember the Future
18. Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond
19. Genesis - Supper's Ready
20. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
21. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Shine on you crazy diamond at 18th?
Those are just the ones they covered in the video.@@user-br2gi8kh5s
Between the buried an me has at least 5 songs that belongs in s tier.
I’ve never doubted anything more in my life
favourite prog albums are often not quintessential prog, even if saying that sounds absurd
Echoes by Pink Floyd is my favorite.
Agree with your lack of "true" epics...haha
How ELP isn't an S amazes me, and Supers Ready. You guys have zero cred for reviewing prog. Maybe you're just too young
No, we’re just a little more discerning. - Joe
That's one way to put it, I got another, but it's all good ✌️
You're entitled to your own taste, but still, this tier list is absolutely atrocious! Putting "Supper's Ready" at a B instead of an S, is a crime against music.
I don't care if you don't like it. Certain songs objectively represent the genre they belong to, and "Supper's Ready" is such a song.
You can argue about some of the other placings, but not that one. Not if this is supposed to be a serious video and not just a troll video at the expense of prog fans.
Where the hell is Kramzer? He wouldn't let you get away with this!
Go see where Kram put Foxtrot in our album rankings.
@@TastesLikeMusic Goddammit. Not him, too.
"It's an instrumentmental, so it can't be that great" - Joe
Sorry, but that is the worst take I've ever heard in my life and a complete insult to thousands upon thousands of great instrumental works in the history of music.
Sorry, Joe, I can't hang with that take, even if the King Crimson track in question is or isn't a great piece.
My 2¢
Just messing. I love instrumentals. Just a shot at Jason, really. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Thanks, I didn't get the slight. I about went cross-eyed hearing it.. Lol
2 minutes in and already it's getting ridiculous. Stop doing tier lists, please, I like your channel. 🙏
You don’t have to watch them. That’s a pretty simple fix.
You guys are tier listing songs you don’t even know…
One of us knows them
No “Echoes”? This list is crap. Eras, blah, blah. Just a big pile of crapola, man.
Sorry we didn’t include echoes. Now you can’t enjoy it anymore. It’s almost as if it doesn’t even exist.
Not enough on the list, and the whole thing is a bit messed up. This is not your genre guys. Stick to the middle of the road.
All genres are ours to destroy. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic You certainly massacred this one. Keep up the good work.