I have been looking at naming systems in investigating a brick wall. My 2GGfather Richard was from Nottingham. He and his wife used the name James for two sons. My strongest suspect for Richard’s father is a man named James. Still poking along for proof on this! -Adele
Usually, two children with the same name is because the first one died young - though I have occasionally found instances where the first child is still living (rare). They could also be named after a favourite brother - so check out any possible siblings with this name too - also grandfathers or uncles...
Oh, that is certainly very interesting. So, excuse my complete lack of experience as a foreign Biochemistry undergrad but for our research presentation in genetics we stumbled upon some recent developments in applications of the newly completely sequenced human chromosomes and this came up: so about the Y chromosome that pushes differentiation towards the male sex, it became obvious that the fact it is only passed from father to son( along with the mitochondrial DNA that is passed from mother to child exclusively), made it's variation within populations quite lower compared with the rest of the DNA on which the contribution from each parent is recombined constantly and randomly. So it was possible to make genetic maps for some studied regions where the distribution of a couple of variations of the entire chromosome Y is shown on the map, and one could see clusters of some far common heritage, which should be relatively stable throughout centuries given that there was not some massive movement or I don't know what else in the population. And because leaving these highly invariant regions of the DNA for population analysis is either expensive or easily misinterpretable, we saw some authors discussing whether they could use technices like yours with the common surnames and stuff to take a good guess whenever the data is not specific enough. Like, oh, we found the Y haplotype of that father and a a couple of suspects that share it, in some randomn detective case, it is not important, and in order not to spend a lot in sequencing the rest highly variable DNA, they could use your genealogy techniques to find out who are really closely related. But now, I want to turn this around at your side. I see you also had to search at the maps, do you think it would be helpful for you if you had a map of a genetic distribution, be it with low analysis, that would not have changed - a lot- from how it was in the 18nth century? Or if the evolutionary trees that we do all the time even for short periods of time could be combined with your search for common names among grandparents and nephews, to make an automated tree , be it highly dependable or not? Has it been discussed with geneticists ever on how you could join your research? How do you fell generally on opening up on such techniques? Oh dear, I never expected to get so caught up on something like this
Hi - thanks for this. I think that genetic distribution maps would be really useful in genealogical research, if they can be pinned down to more specific areas. I have to admit that I haven't developed much expertise in using DNA in genealogy, - but with clients for whom it's difficult to find ancestors by the established ways, I usually do recommend they try that route. I am sure there are studies going on in this regard, but I do need to learn more about this myself! Thanks for your post - I do think that this is something that will continue to be developed for ancestry research.
Hi, I found your comment very interesting, as I have started on the DNA journey, though I am very basic on it. I did listen to a lecture where the speaker has joined a research group, I think, though not 100% sure, through GedMatch Web site, that connects Y DNA test takers who connect to a particular small area in Northern Ireland. She has done the traditional genealogical research and is using a brothers Y DNA results to help prove the ancestor is correctly proven as theirs. I think that DNA research still depends on doing correct genealogical research as well, building trees for yourself and DNA matches. I presume there are many such groups for different places in this field.
Looking for free genealogy sites in the UK, your thumbnail turned up. I looked at you and thought immediately, this lady reminds me of Michael Bott. ( The Prehistory Guys). Then my eyes wandered to the right and I read "Bott". (Ofcourse I know my brain had seen that before I recognized a similarity. But still.) No offence meant. I thought it to be a captivating coincidence. Maybe I will now after all be able to find my sister Erica's grave. Born and died in Westmorland (1946 - 1947). I am in posession of her birth and death certificates. Most likely Erica was not baptized, because we siblings weren't either.
@@medievalladybird394 That's amazing that you recognised the family likeness - Michael is indeed my brother! The Prehistory Guys is a great channel - and he's a lot more tech savvy than me!
@@tracingancestorsintheuk1016 It was the jaw line and mouth that got me. Although I'm pretty sure my brain had already registered the name. New to the internet and RUclips, I got hooked during the lockdowns watching Standing With Stones and I had only just finished watching the PHG's newest upload yesterday when I stumbled across your channel. The reason was/is, I don't know how to find out where my sister (Grasmere 1946 - 47) is buried. I do have her birth and death certificates now, but she probably wasn't baptized, because none of us were. In 2014 we couldn't find a grave in Grasmere, although I seem to remember going to her grave in the children's corner of a grave yard with my mother to say good bye in 1961, before we left for Germany. Anyway, have a great day. And I hope my waffling helps your channel grow. 😊
Another useful video, I enjoy the way you share your thought processes and evaluate the various documents. I look forward to your videos.
Thnk you
Thank you - I'm glad you find them useful!
I’m currently in the process of re-verifying all my ancestors so these videos are very helpful! :)
Glad to hear that!
I have been looking at naming systems in investigating a brick wall. My 2GGfather Richard was from Nottingham. He and his wife used the name James for two sons. My strongest suspect for Richard’s father is a man named James. Still poking along for proof on this!
-Adele
Usually, two children with the same name is because the first one died young - though I have occasionally found instances where the first child is still living (rare). They could also be named after a favourite brother - so check out any possible siblings with this name too - also grandfathers or uncles...
Oh, that is certainly very interesting. So, excuse my complete lack of experience as a foreign Biochemistry undergrad but for our research presentation in genetics we stumbled upon some recent developments in applications of the newly completely sequenced human chromosomes and this came up: so about the Y chromosome that pushes differentiation towards the male sex, it became obvious that the fact it is only passed from father to son( along with the mitochondrial DNA that is passed from mother to child exclusively), made it's variation within populations quite lower compared with the rest of the DNA on which the contribution from each parent is recombined constantly and randomly. So it was possible to make genetic maps for some studied regions where the distribution of a couple of variations of the entire chromosome Y is shown on the map, and one could see clusters of some far common heritage, which should be relatively stable throughout centuries given that there was not some massive movement or I don't know what else in the population. And because leaving these highly invariant regions of the DNA for population analysis is either expensive or easily misinterpretable, we saw some authors discussing whether they could use technices like yours with the common surnames and stuff to take a good guess whenever the data is not specific enough. Like, oh, we found the Y haplotype of that father and a a couple of suspects that share it, in some randomn detective case, it is not important, and in order not to spend a lot in sequencing the rest highly variable DNA, they could use your genealogy techniques to find out who are really closely related. But now, I want to turn this around at your side. I see you also had to search at the maps, do you think it would be helpful for you if you had a map of a genetic distribution, be it with low analysis, that would not have changed - a lot- from how it was in the 18nth century? Or if the evolutionary trees that we do all the time even for short periods of time could be combined with your search for common names among grandparents and nephews, to make an automated tree , be it highly dependable or not? Has it been discussed with geneticists ever on how you could join your research? How do you fell generally on opening up on such techniques? Oh dear, I never expected to get so caught up on something like this
Hi - thanks for this. I think that genetic distribution maps would be really useful in genealogical research, if they can be pinned down to more specific areas. I have to admit that I haven't developed much expertise in using DNA in genealogy, - but with clients for whom it's difficult to find ancestors by the established ways, I usually do recommend they try that route. I am sure there are studies going on in this regard, but I do need to learn more about this myself! Thanks for your post - I do think that this is something that will continue to be developed for ancestry research.
Hi, I found your comment very interesting, as I have started on the DNA journey, though I am very basic on it. I did listen to a lecture where the speaker has joined a research group, I think, though not 100% sure, through GedMatch Web site, that connects Y DNA test takers who connect to a particular small area in Northern Ireland. She has done the traditional genealogical research and is using a brothers Y DNA results to help prove the ancestor is correctly proven as theirs. I think that DNA research still depends on doing correct genealogical research as well, building trees for yourself and DNA matches. I presume there are many such groups for different places in this field.
Looking for free genealogy sites in the UK, your thumbnail turned up. I looked at you and thought immediately, this lady reminds me of Michael Bott. ( The Prehistory Guys). Then my eyes wandered to the right and I read "Bott".
(Ofcourse I know my brain had seen that before I recognized a similarity. But still.)
No offence meant. I thought it to be a captivating coincidence.
Maybe I will now after all be able to find my sister Erica's grave. Born and died in Westmorland (1946 - 1947). I am in posession of her birth and death certificates. Most likely Erica was not baptized, because we siblings weren't either.
@@medievalladybird394 That's amazing that you recognised the family likeness - Michael is indeed my brother! The Prehistory Guys is a great channel - and he's a lot more tech savvy than me!
@@tracingancestorsintheuk1016
It was the jaw line and mouth that got me. Although I'm pretty sure my brain had already registered the name.
New to the internet and RUclips, I
got hooked during the lockdowns watching Standing With Stones and I had only just finished watching the PHG's newest upload yesterday when I stumbled across your channel.
The reason was/is, I don't know how to find out where my sister (Grasmere 1946 - 47) is buried. I do have her birth and death certificates now, but she probably wasn't baptized, because none of us were. In 2014 we couldn't find a grave in Grasmere, although I seem to remember going to her grave in the children's corner of a grave yard with my mother to say good bye in 1961, before we left for Germany.
Anyway, have a great day. And I hope my waffling helps your channel grow. 😊
Where was the mother from? Could the baptism be at the mother’s family parish?
Yes - but the point is, in this kind of problem, we don't know who the parents are to start with.