I gotta say I appreciate the Meren Upping the Average Joey did, it's influenced how my Meren deck is played and I find that my deck has higher synergy and recovery speed because of it. Thanks Joey for the graveyard fun! :D
Joey is a man after my own heart! There's no better feeling than the comfort of knowing that even if all your creatures die, it's all part of the plan. Using graveyards and life as a resource is just so much fun.
Played standard, limited, vintage, and recently started with commander. Up to now, I wasn’t able to find a play style that I constantly craved to go back to. Thanks to you Joey, I finally discovered it, and it feels great! #necro4tw🔥
I really like Joey's point about balancing reanimation targets and ways of reanimating them. I run a Rakdos Chainer deck, and finding the right amount of Animate Deads to put in can be tricky, and you absolutely need them because Chainer is really good at filling the yard, but needs a lot of help pulling stuff out. It's about cheating it out, not hardcasting an 8-drop.
I agree with Joe. Resilience is also what sparked my love towards graveyard strategies. My friend had a deck that constantly killed all of my creatures on the board, and one day i though: "If they have to die, how can I bring them back, or benefit from this?" Basically Muldrotha and Gyrus are my forever love now
This has been my favorite play style since my very first EDH deck, revolving around Ghave, using him as a sac outlet for cards like Yosei and kokusho, and a token generator as fodder for cards like victimize and dread return. The strat got out of hand when Mikaeus the Unhallowed hit the scene, letting Ghave remove those undying counters from Yosei when it came back to play from Mikaeus’ ability~
Squee (the Immortal) for mono-red junkyard brew, and Rona (Disciple of Gix) for a Dimir junkyard brew. Both are pretty dang fun. Rona recurring The Eldest Reborn over and over is some kind of hilarious, and seeing Squee run a ramshackle recycling plant just warms my heart as it sets the rest of the world on fire.
The whole, "cheating by the rules" thing really spoke to me. I had a B/W/G dredge deck back when Griselbrand was standard legal.... Throwing reanimation effects with flashback into the yard with 100% Angus beef while at the same time keeping the lands in your hand.... Phew, good times!
Also, funniest thing I ever saw another Muldrotha player do was play Bojuka Bog when I had an enchantment that says all targets are chosen randomly...he exiled his own graveyard - he still won, too. 😂
I have a Challenge the stats for you. Dragon Wings doesn't see enough play in Jhoira of the Ghitu decks. For a commander that wants to cheat out big creatures like Eldrazi titans and Blightsteel Colossus. This version of Jhoira can clean out your for two mana per card. That can eat your hand up quickly. The fact that Dragon Wings as cycling, means it's ability to be cycled as a card replacement and also give you the ability to have one of your big creatures of 6 mana value or more gain flying and have haste from suspend. This is a sneaky way to give aviation for a possible player ending attacks.
With zulaport cutthroat something i noticed is that people know how dangerous he is and how easy it is to go infinate and people will spend an exile to get rid of him so i put blood artist in there as well. Samer thing goes for demons diciple and plaguecrafter. Always helps to have one in hand if the one in rotation gets the boot
I would love to see Joey play a Lurrus deck (Lurrus as commander, not companion). I have a theory that Lurrus is the most straight up powerful Orzhov commander, been testing for a few months.
I wish White had more mass styles of recursion. They have resurrection and a couple of other good spells for reviving *one* creature, but there are few to none that revive more than one (Reveillark is the only one I can think of and it has restrictions)
I was surprised I didn't hear my reasons as one of the reasons tbh. I love using the GY because I'm overly sentimental with my cards. I love every one of my cards and want to reuse them throughout a game. I also get sad when someone immediately counters or removes the dude I've been working up to. Reanimation and recursion lets me get my stuff out repeatedly and I love it.
As an Orzhov player I fully agree. Graveyard recursion, draining your opponents life away and gaining it all making them sacrifice stuff, sacrificing to gain knowledge, sacrificing for mana. using ghosts and zombies to torment my opponents I love it all. too bad there isn't much ramp in black or white. WotC fix white in commander please.
@@marvin5342 that's definitely green. Black has some really good ramp. But green has the best. Cabal stronghold, cabal coffers, and rituals are good ramp.
@@marvin5342 white needs some better ramp and card draw. Dawn of hope and smothering tithe are a good start. Also cabal coffers and urborg are really expensive and hard to justify for people on a budget. There should be cheaper options for players. I think black should have the cabal and ritual type ramp. The more black you have the more mana you can create, or the more you sacrifice the more you can create. Some decks I really can't run rituals or nikana, I have a Lurrus of the dream den that runs a crypt ghast because the theme of the deck is extort.
cards like tutors and entomb..they're great yes undeniably powerful but i feel like when i use them i either get what i wanted and win in one turn or i paint a target on my head. I prefer card draw and play with what i have. will i control the board and take their sacrificed creatures for my own, will i ping them with zulaport or will gary come out and give me 70 life and wipe the table. every game is a little different and thats what i love about graveyard decks (at least the way i build them) i always have a different combo and my opponants never know where im going with it.
This is honestly the video where I realized my commander playstyle is pretty much "I like to cheat *legally* in Magic"... Like all my decks are doing something that involves cards interacting in ways not really intended by the designers for absolutely ridiculous effects.
I use conrad in my chainer deck and a last resort to win with i think mindclamp (players lose a life when a card leaves the battlefield i havent played ina while sorry) if i cant get the W with gary or kukoshu conrad is always there for an easy 1 turn win
@@andrewdodd3408 depends on how much income you have and how much time you actually spend with the hobby. I know people who have played for 10 years and have 2 decks....and I know people who have played for one year and have several 5000 count boxes of commons and uncommons.
@@xXCigarXx I've been playing since 4th ed, but even then I've never thrown huge amounts of money at it because unfortunately I don't just have a cardboard addiction but also a plastic and resin addiction. Yes I'm the living embodiment of Men don't grow up but their toys get more expensive. 🤣😂🤣😂
The days that Muldrotha was about grinding value to win are so far behind us. Muldrotha is just a combo deck. 😂 However, it’s possible I’m just referring to my deck.
@@diggerdog9205 Dredge to Lab Man or Jace. Dakmoor Salvage, Gitrog, discard outlet plus Dread Return or whatever. It can go off turn 1 with the absolute nut draw.
Can't be signature when it's over represented. Can't be style when it's standard. Playing grave hate is my style, making grave players moan is my signature.
I gotta say I appreciate the Meren Upping the Average Joey did, it's influenced how my Meren deck is played and I find that my deck has higher synergy and recovery speed because of it. Thanks Joey for the graveyard fun! :D
Joey is such a good person!
I don’t normally comment on the dad puns but damn today was fire
Joey is a man after my own heart! There's no better feeling than the comfort of knowing that even if all your creatures die, it's all part of the plan. Using graveyards and life as a resource is just so much fun.
Bring Joey on game knights
Haha I think it's not fair for Jimmy and Jose :)
Played standard, limited, vintage, and recently started with commander. Up to now, I wasn’t able to find a play style that I constantly craved to go back to. Thanks to you Joey, I finally discovered it, and it feels great! #necro4tw🔥
Always nice to get graveyard playstyle representation. Got my og Chainer deck, all your graveyards are belong to me!
I really love the old dad jokes you guys are so awesome
Joey's Playstyle is not something I tend to try
But I love how he's so passionate about it :v
Joey has been waiting for this day his entire magic career.
Joey's Signature Style | EDHREC Room
JOEY: graveyards...that's it.
[video ends]
I like Joey's style
Golgari represent!! That second hand next to your library won't cast itself!
Have you guys thought about playing against the command zone?
Yes that would be awesome 😊😃
I really like Joey's point about balancing reanimation targets and ways of reanimating them. I run a Rakdos Chainer deck, and finding the right amount of Animate Deads to put in can be tricky, and you absolutely need them because Chainer is really good at filling the yard, but needs a lot of help pulling stuff out. It's about cheating it out, not hardcasting an 8-drop.
I agree with Joe. Resilience is also what sparked my love towards graveyard strategies. My friend had a deck that constantly killed all of my creatures on the board, and one day i though: "If they have to die, how can I bring them back, or benefit from this?" Basically Muldrotha and Gyrus are my forever love now
This has been my favorite play style since my very first EDH deck, revolving around Ghave, using him as a sac outlet for cards like Yosei and kokusho, and a token generator as fodder for cards like victimize and dread return.
The strat got out of hand when Mikaeus the Unhallowed hit the scene, letting Ghave remove those undying counters from Yosei when it came back to play from Mikaeus’ ability~
I think Joey needs to revisit this topic in 2024
Squee (the Immortal) for mono-red junkyard brew, and Rona (Disciple of Gix) for a Dimir junkyard brew.
Both are pretty dang fun. Rona recurring The Eldest Reborn over and over is some kind of hilarious, and seeing Squee run a ramshackle recycling plant just warms my heart as it sets the rest of the world on fire.
The whole, "cheating by the rules" thing really spoke to me. I had a B/W/G dredge deck back when Griselbrand was standard legal.... Throwing reanimation effects with flashback into the yard with 100% Angus beef while at the same time keeping the lands in your hand.... Phew, good times!
I'm really really like this series!
Joey is amazing!
Joey, you should look into Chainer Dementia Master. Graveyard things but can access your opponents too 😁
Also, funniest thing I ever saw another Muldrotha player do was play Bojuka Bog when I had an enchantment that says all targets are chosen randomly...he exiled his own graveyard - he still won, too. 😂
Graveyard strategies are definitely my favorite, but I have to say that landfall decks are definitely a close second
Playing a graveyard deck with recursion is like being able to look at what you want to cast, as long as there is stuff in the yard.
I feel this! Feldon is my favorite deck
Thank goodness for bojuka bog 😁. O and Ashiok
Super interesting.
I have a Challenge the stats for you.
Dragon Wings doesn't see enough play in Jhoira of the Ghitu decks.
For a commander that wants to cheat out big creatures like Eldrazi titans and Blightsteel Colossus.
This version of Jhoira can clean out your for two mana per card. That can eat your hand up quickly.
The fact that Dragon Wings as cycling, means it's ability to be cycled as a card replacement and also give you the ability to have one of your big creatures of 6 mana value or more gain flying and have haste from suspend.
This is a sneaky way to give aviation for a possible player ending attacks.
After watching this and Matt's video makes me think about what I like to do in magic... Hmm.
I got into graveyard decks when I saw my buddy play legacy manaless dredge and the rest is history
I would really love to see joeys take on muldrotha
With zulaport cutthroat something i noticed is that people know how dangerous he is and how easy it is to go infinate and people will spend an exile to get rid of him so i put blood artist in there as well. Samer thing goes for demons diciple and plaguecrafter. Always helps to have one in hand if the one in rotation gets the boot
Chainer, dementia master is my favorite deck. My strategies with that deck are down right machiavellian.
I have a reanimator deck lead by varolz the scar striped and I love it so much
I would love to see Joey play a Lurrus deck (Lurrus as commander, not companion). I have a theory that Lurrus is the most straight up powerful Orzhov commander, been testing for a few months.
I wish White had more mass styles of recursion. They have resurrection and a couple of other good spells for reviving *one* creature, but there are few to none that revive more than one (Reveillark is the only one I can think of and it has restrictions)
rakdos chainer reanimation decks need an upping the average!
I was surprised I didn't hear my reasons as one of the reasons tbh.
I love using the GY because I'm overly sentimental with my cards. I love every one of my cards and want to reuse them throughout a game. I also get sad when someone immediately counters or removes the dude I've been working up to. Reanimation and recursion lets me get my stuff out repeatedly and I love it.
Can I play Weathered Runestone against Joey Then? I run five pieces of grave hate in my zombie deck. Great video, guys.
As an Orzhov player I fully agree. Graveyard recursion, draining your opponents life away and gaining it all making them sacrifice stuff, sacrificing to gain knowledge, sacrificing for mana. using ghosts and zombies to torment my opponents I love it all. too bad there isn't much ramp in black or white. WotC fix white in commander please.
@@marvin5342 that's definitely green. Black has some really good ramp. But green has the best.
Cabal stronghold, cabal coffers, and rituals are good ramp.
@@marvin5342 white needs some better ramp and card draw. Dawn of hope and smothering tithe are a good start.
Also cabal coffers and urborg are really expensive and hard to justify for people on a budget. There should be cheaper options for players. I think black should have the cabal and ritual type ramp. The more black you have the more mana you can create, or the more you sacrifice the more you can create.
Some decks I really can't run rituals or nikana, I have a Lurrus of the dream den that runs a crypt ghast because the theme of the deck is extort.
cards like tutors and entomb..they're great yes undeniably powerful but i feel like when i use them i either get what i wanted and win in one turn or i paint a target on my head. I prefer card draw and play with what i have. will i control the board and take their sacrificed creatures for my own, will i ping them with zulaport or will gary come out and give me 70 life and wipe the table. every game is a little different and thats what i love about graveyard decks (at least the way i build them) i always have a different combo and my opponants never know where im going with it.
It is also my favorite strategy
We need spells to give your own graveyard hexproof.. or unable to be exiled.
This is honestly the video where I realized my commander playstyle is pretty much "I like to cheat *legally* in Magic"...
Like all my decks are doing something that involves cards interacting in ways not really intended by the designers for absolutely ridiculous effects.
I really dig graveyard strats but in White too lmao nobody sees it coming for some reason
Also, what card is shown on 12:22?
I thought you had a Teysa deck? I don't see it in the deck lists.
I use conrad in my chainer deck and a last resort to win with i think mindclamp (players lose a life when a card leaves the battlefield i havent played ina while sorry) if i cant get the W with gary or kukoshu conrad is always there for an easy 1 turn win
Not a single mention of my boy Scarab God?
Matt's joke was not a chef's kiss. It was a Sunkist.
Minmeoplasm is my main deck still. Even just didn work on it last night. Its disgusting and im not really sorry but i still have a play group.
No Gitrog??? What???
I have a new deck idea...
Why not playing grim tutor instead or in addition to demonic tutor in your Yennett deck? Scroll rack is also perfect since it got reprinted
Me: Cheating cards out or repeatedly getting them back after they're destroyed makes Magic less fun.
Joey: *presumably faints*
Starting to think aristocrats and recursion is also my style
bajuka bog
So basically golgari lol 😆
Mimeoplasm deck, $3800+ and Lands for it are $2200+ of it 😮😮
Well, thats the advantage of playing for years and years.
@@Thimbrethil I've been playing since Ice Age/4th Ed, even I don't have any commander decks that expensive.
@@andrewdodd3408 depends on how much income you have and how much time you actually spend with the hobby. I know people who have played for 10 years and have 2 decks....and I know people who have played for one year and have several 5000 count boxes of commons and uncommons.
@@xXCigarXx I've been playing since 4th ed, but even then I've never thrown huge amounts of money at it because unfortunately I don't just have a cardboard addiction but also a plastic and resin addiction.
Yes I'm the living embodiment of Men don't grow up but their toys get more expensive. 🤣😂🤣😂
The days that Muldrotha was about grinding value to win are so far behind us. Muldrotha is just a combo deck. 😂
However, it’s possible I’m just referring to my deck.
What's the combo
@@diggerdog9205 Dredge to Lab Man or Jace. Dakmoor Salvage, Gitrog, discard outlet plus Dread Return or whatever. It can go off turn 1 with the absolute nut draw.
"I like cheating, but legally" ok then go out with me 🥴
(This is a joke btw, I don't condone cheating in a relationship)
Can't be signature when it's over represented. Can't be style when it's standard. Playing grave hate is my style, making grave players moan is my signature.