John Hick - Is Death Final?

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  • Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2024

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  • @downrightannoying3922
    @downrightannoying3922 2 года назад +4

    doing an essay on this guy it’s very difficult but his voice is nice

  • @robertlight6905
    @robertlight6905 5 лет назад +6

    We should not let what we wish to be true affect what we can know to be true. - Voltaire.

  • @Kritiker313
    @Kritiker313 2 года назад +1

    Maybe we have to give up ourselves so that in our next life we won't carry along any burdensome pain e.g., guilt regret etc, from our current lives. Who knows...

  • @PaidinFull2024
    @PaidinFull2024 7 лет назад +17

    Wait and see.....thats everybodys plan

  • @DManCAWMaster
    @DManCAWMaster 7 лет назад +10

    Loved his voice

    • @abirdynumnum9612
      @abirdynumnum9612 4 года назад

      This is the first time watching John Hick. (He is going to be featured on Aug 25, 2020 on "Unbelievable" in a dialogue from pre-2012 (before John Hick died). His manner is pleasing to the ear.

  • @tr9809
    @tr9809 7 лет назад +11

    John Hick was a very fine gentleman

  • @jackmabel6067
    @jackmabel6067 4 года назад +3

    " Is Death Final?" Sounds good! Or, as the Frankenstein monster stated in one of the 1930's Frankenstein movies: "Don't like living. Like dead."

  • @Jerry-hv5nq
    @Jerry-hv5nq 6 лет назад +20

    I eliminated some eggos this morning in my stomach.

  • @RobCLynch
    @RobCLynch 3 года назад +2

    People lose sight of the fact that before we were born, nothing mattered whatsoever and after we become un-born, nothing will matter at all. So I suppose it's a case of making the most out of the 'now'.

    • @catherinemira75
      @catherinemira75 3 года назад +1

      I like your comment and it makes good sense to me. However, I would say that not taking ourselves too seriously is the best way to live the present As you grow older, you realise ( at least some of us do) that nothing has the importance we once granted to our hopes and desires. The 'Now' is best lived as if there's nothing to gain.

  • @catherinemira75
    @catherinemira75 3 года назад +1

    💯👌. The torch analogy isn't encompassing enough: we know, through experience, that we can have profound and transformative experiences ( good or bad) from people or animals or even circumstances and not just from our our own genetic ancestors. Families are inescapable but not necessarily the only way to be influenced or impacted in an emotional and spiritual manner. Life is too complex for one idea only even if it is a compelling one. But if our genetic blueprint is the template on which life works as the essential catalyst, then yes, it becomes a matter of genetics + life = spiritual journey/evolution.

  • @syngensmyth4587
    @syngensmyth4587 3 года назад +3

    When you look closely at bereavement apparitions and speak to those that experienced them and hospice workers who witness death bed visions there seems to be just too much to write off as subjective hallucinations. After watching this Chanel whoever states, "Yes but that can all be explained by false perceptions or whatever" presume to know more than the great intellectuals of the world.

  • @bennguyen1313
    @bennguyen1313 Год назад

    Would have liked to have heard more of John Hick. Perhaps a talk with Georg Northoff on the Temporo-Spatial Theory of Consciousness.

  • @mbolez
    @mbolez Год назад +1

    I think Robert might have to accept that he's never going to get the answer he wants

  • @RickDelmonico
    @RickDelmonico 7 лет назад +4

    How are we connected to the universe? Think in terms of a hologram with fractal features. Differentiation is an illusion. Think of a field with each person extracting from the field a particular arrangement that is unique. You are simply one aspect of an infinite expression. You are a collection of material behaviors, an entanglement of variation.

  • @বিবিধ
    @বিবিধ 5 лет назад +1

    Thank You! 🌸

  • @JM-sx1rp
    @JM-sx1rp 6 лет назад +3

    Wouldn't any studied and qualified commenter actually argue and provide reasons for the opinions and criticism in their posts instead of launching barrages of ad hominems like mud at the interviewees? If you throw too much mood around, you'll only lose ground (if there's any left) and get your hands dirty.

  • @fraser_mr2009
    @fraser_mr2009 2 года назад

    These interviews are old. This John Hick guy died in 2012.

  • @moesypittounikos
    @moesypittounikos 2 месяца назад

    Well i guess he is there now! I wonder, does John Hick remember his last life or is it like a dream where the John character is completely forgotten about but for a whisp of a memory?

  • @El_Rebelde_
    @El_Rebelde_ 7 лет назад +3

    im not sure that makes sense. if we are just like runners in a relay race who die and pass on the torch to the next person in the relay, my thing is where do you get more people. we went from 6 billion people to 7 billion people. where did those extra 1 billion "souls" come from? they couldnt just have been passed on from someone else.

    • @ssv177
      @ssv177 7 лет назад +1

      i usually ask the same question, the only more or less appropriate answer i got was that "each soul have its own path in a chain of life, from a bacteria to a insect, animal, human and so on..."
      the memories seems to be wiped out during those level-ups) ... but the "experience" seems to be persistent in some way and form*(usually severely transformed or distorted by the new rules of a game: another body, circumstances, another friends-&/or-foes and so on) some pepole call it genetic memory, some soul, some nature-born-skills etc

    • @catherinemira75
      @catherinemira75 3 года назад

      Maybe some people have more Karma to process in life than it can be processed with only one or two descendents....

    • @MaestroStefanoPetrini
      @MaestroStefanoPetrini 3 года назад +1

      @@catherinemira75 LOL

  • @paulramirez632
    @paulramirez632 2 года назад

    I think that living forever is akin to being in hell. If you know you always will have tomorrow, then what is the motivation to get up every morning and do something meaningful today.

  • @moesypittounikos
    @moesypittounikos 4 года назад +5

    It's impossible to describe the color red to a blind man, but we know red exists, and even tho the blind man can never fathom red, for you and I the color red doesn't require philosophy, or equations ot a religion. For you and I, it just is.
    So we can never know that which is outside our living brain. But maybe those on the other side are like the seeing and we are like the blind man.
    Maybe our sense of sight and having no sight is a clue. What if other senses existed, not sight but something we our blind to? The example of a blind man and the color red is the clue.

    • @videolifeca
      @videolifeca 4 года назад

      The colour red or note middle C to the deaf can be measured and described in scientific terms. Eg red between wavelength 625 and 740 nm.
      If you think you have life after death then it would need to have some properties that are measurable even if we can't sense it.

    • @jcoats1203
      @jcoats1203 4 года назад +1

      Your analogy definitely gives me food for thought. Well said Moesy Pittounikos.

    • @jcoats1203
      @jcoats1203 4 года назад +1

      Bharat Behl Exactly. Measurement has absolutely nothing to do with existence.

  • @mobiustrip1400
    @mobiustrip1400 5 лет назад +2

    The relay race analogy is apt, but let's call it what it is: evolution.

  • @RickDelmonico
    @RickDelmonico 7 лет назад

    The core is harmonic regularity, the outer darkness is self referential noise, we are in the space between them. Every engine takes advantage of a difference. These two extremes are woven into each other. The eternal now is the processing of meaning. If our starting point is a static structure with perfect symmetry, this would only be an illusive ideal. There are no perfect symmetries there is no pure randomness. It is variation that creates reality without variation there is nothing. Information is a difference that makes a difference. The relationship between time and space is always in flux. The variation creates all of the behaviors we see.

  • @ShadyForest
    @ShadyForest 5 лет назад +1

    His idea sounds a lot like Andy Weir's "The Egg".

  • @carmelpule6954
    @carmelpule6954 4 года назад

    At that instant when humans gained the sensation of measuring physical and mental pain, it was that same instant when difficulties worried humans. The unknown always introduced some uneasiness and fear and the inquisitive human mind always sought a solution or some medicine to cure the apparent ignorance of the situation. Superstition and concepts of the supernatural are phenomena whose reason for existence is appreciated. They calm down a worried man even with the apparent solution of the unknown. As soon as humans observed their own surroundings, they sought solutions. Religious concepts, languages and culture and art and politics, are all tribal products depending on the state of the location one lives and one can appreciate that a human born in Antarctica where there is cold snow would have different values form a human born in central warm Africa. Anyone born in the in-between countries would probably start believing that because the people in the cold wear clothes then they are more morally oriented to cover their naked bodies, which would be the wrong belief and has no supporting evidence. However, it would be very understandable to conclude why all people on earth in primitive times had great respect for the mighty Sun and suggested that it could be a God in some ways protecting them during the day and night was an enemy against them.
    We have now the science to support different thinking and one aspect of truth is that it contains an approximation which says that Energy = mass multiplied by ( speed of light )^2 or simply written as E=mc^2. That alone could explain it all.
    If before the big bang, the universe was filled with energy E, as electromagnetic energy about which we know such a lot, then one can postulate that the initiation of the mass in the Universe was a complex transformation of that existing Energy into mass or matter which, as soon as it formed, the laws of physics took over and started operating. All evolution which adjoining masses bring about due to their physical and chemical and biological reactions are all mass and energy-based. Without going too deep into the subject one could even suggest that on earth we owe our life to the electromagnetic energy coming towards us which the trees and plants change into the matter, by well-known processes. Animals eat plants, and we eat both animals and plants and our own existence may be looked upon as a continuous transformation of electromagnetic energy into the matter which now evolved to reproduce itself through physical methods. To grow, we need food for our earthly living, which without any doubt, its energy can be traced back to the radiated energy of the distant sun. Perhaps one can say that all the universal material and us humans are all brothers and sisters being related through electromagnetic energy changing into matter and mass and back again into electromagnetic energy eventually.
    Religious books seem to touch a little on this concept as when we read the initiation of the universe as, " Let there be light and there was light!" Well, light is only a transversal vibration of electromagnetic waves. Then when one reads that, " We are all born in the image of God!" Again, if primitive people looked at the unknown Sun and called it a God, the sun is one packet of energy and its heat emits electromagnetic energy which is continuously arriving at our earth where its projected energy is part of us through the food we eat. It is not farfetched to imagine that there is some truth is postulating that the Sun God and all humans are related to their common contents of transformed electromagnetic waves! Then I love that part when it says that, when man and women are married they, " Become one till death do them part!" Now, in my opinion, this evolutionary statement was misunderstood by many religious and secular people, as the true marriage is not between a man and a woman, that is only a physical union on a temporary basis. Real marriage takes place between the man's sperm and the woman's ovum and once that unity is conceived, then that " marriage" stays till death do the part. Meanwhile, the conceived child grows through eating matter, and mass that is all based on the product of the electromagnetic field radiated from the sun "god". All the laws of the universe are natural laws based on the fact that energy is still existing reacting by the mass that was transformed. That is what scientists keep continuously searching for, while religions stick to the old analogies to describe the evolutionary process in a simple matter which may be of emotional benefit to many needy unscientific people facing unknown difficulties.
    When humans die, all their mass and matter changes back into electromagnetic energy as Radio magnetic energy the same as what goes up in heat from homes and chimneys and exhaust of aircraft and all that matter that made the universe. So we simply go through another transformation and most of our masse is changed to energy feeding worms and heating the universe and we then will roam the earth to reincarnate in those forms which are supported by worms and plants that use our transformed physical matter. Simply speaking we all return home in the form of energy and some of us stay behind to feed worms and plants. That is what human life is, part of the transformation of energy into mass and then on death, we use an inverse matrix transformation to go back to energy form. It is one thermodynamic cycle! All using various transformations of energy.
    We are already doing it as at the moment I am changing my thoughts to printing this which soon will be sent all over the world using electromagnetic energy and I was using SKYPE to transmit my image, well that is a partial energy transfer from images to electromagnetic energy to build images at a distance all using electromagnetic energy where all the answers lay in ENGINEERING TRANSFORMATIONS.

  • @RickDelmonico
    @RickDelmonico 7 лет назад

    If I wish to convey meaning, I must decide what level of description or resolution I can consider sufficient. Truth, in my opinion, contains the least amount of dynamic association within any particular description and I am not able to completely control the amount of fluctuation the recipient will encounter as the levels of description increase and the recipients ability to visualize the picture I have attempted to construct decrease. There are no perfect symmetries, there is no pure randomness. the mechanics are not random, they're fractal. Think of a tree growing in a box with the inside surface of the box as the place where we will register the probability of the tree eventually touching after growing for a period of time. Roughly speaking any portion of the surface has an equal chance of the tree touching it but only some portion of the surface will ever include the tree. Now replace the box with an onion type, container, where each cycle of time includes both a portion of growth for the tree and another layer for the onion. The inside surface of this onion now includes a new probability distribution where each new layer is dependent on the previous layer and each new layer has a finer resolution with more degrees of freedom but not infinite degrees of freedom. The center of this structure had few degrees of freedom and the final layer has the most degrees of freedom. The outer layer of the onion would not be a perfect sphere, it would be more like a fractal surface such that the surface area would increase with the resolution. Our universe, the universe we can see is the tree like structure. In music, you have frequency, amplitude and timbre. The increasing dimensionality of space occurs in this thing we call timbre. The fractal "echoes of echoes" is a deeply nuanced structure of nested scale and the curvature of space creates extra dimensions. When one degree becomes ninety one degrees, you get an extra dimension from the curvature of space. If you are inside this space you don't see the curvature. The direction of time's arrow is the breaking of the symmetry of the "potential" of the boundary condition. If it is relational, there's a geometry involved. Information is stored in the relationships. Meaning is a dance of mutual expression. Expression and experience are two sides of the same coin. Perception differentiates information, information is given value, value creates desire, desire creates intention, intention becomes expression, an echoing of possibilities. Could any particular bit of information on a dynamic holographic surface be everywhere all the time? The surface of this hologram would have some form of fractal feature, and could be infinitely fine with no digital horizon. The surface could generate extra dimensions as we move to finer and finer scales. The holomovement and process; the undivided whole is differentiated by perception, this creates a disturbance in the field. The disturbance is information but it is different, new or novel because of imprecise perception and intention. Perceptions are always a best guess or controlled hallucination. From this information, intention is formed in the form of an echo from a previous intent but again this is an approximation to some degree of resolution. Expression and experience move together in and out of these nested hierarchies, creating new or novel information. The geometry involved is a novelty or imagination engine. Intent, process and perception as a key principle of reality. All particles have a form of awareness, an exchange of information. In the hierarchy of this process, consciousness emerges. Living systems concentrate order from their environment leaving a ripple of disorder in their wake. As order emerges in the living system, a proportional amount of disorder is also created. This has something to do with meaning. When we attend a moment, we give it value as a consequence of memory and when we place intention upon it, the value fluctuates as it branches out into the future as possibilities (quantum random walks in state space). The value or quality of information has everything to do with meaning. The exchange rate of ideas is infinite. Flourishing has a rhythm. Knowledge dilutes imagination. The are three kinds of knowledge; 1, what we know. 2, what we know, we don't know. 3, what we don't know, we don't know. As the sphere of knowledge increases, so too does the border to the unknown, criticality at the edge of chaos. Nothing novel or intereseting happens unless it is on the border between order and chaos. I personally feel that the universe behaves more like a song than an equation because math is about static law and music is about dynamic expression. Life is a principle of organization that is particularly concerned with value creation. Value is the perceived benefit in the process of choosing. Freewill is a branching out of choosers into a system of networked associations. Love is a dance of mutual expression. The core is harmonic regularity, the outer darkness is random noise, we are in the space between them. Every engine takes advantage of a difference. These two extremes are woven into each other. The eternal now is the processing of meaning. There is an energy contained in meaning, a dynamic tension. Our focus flows like a piece of music between tension and release. It travels across the fitness landscape, driven by our beliefs and values. There is a dimensionality to this landscape, a multidimensional polarity that does not necessarily favor good outcomes. Reaching a fitness peak requires more effort than rolling into an attractor basin. Symmetry, dynamics, and perpetual motion: Information is a difference that makes a difference. Understanding is life, islands of order in a sea of chaos. Perception creates division. The engine is imagination and the fuel is novelty. Innocence is unfiltered perception. We live in the shadows of perception where all belief systems are filters. Meaning is created through this process. In order to create meaning something must be consumed. Light pierces the darkness and is consumed, truth pierces the chaos and is consumed. The universe behaves more like a song than an equation. How can location exist in a song? We can give behaviors location, beyond that we cannot say. The three body problem and levels of descriptions; how can we measure a deeply nuanced behavior. The lawful regularities of our physical reality are emergent. Truth exist in the echoes of creation and there is no way back to the place where it came from. There are no perfect symmetries, there is no pure randomness. Therefore, Robert B. Laughlin's definition of emergence, "a collective principle of organization that gives rise to a law, a relationship of measured things that is always true but the law vanishes away into nothingness when you examine little parts to see where it came from" requires a slight alteration, because the relationship of measured things is always true to some degree of resolution beyond which, the truthfulness begins to fluctuate and then vanish. When we measure the coastline of England, the answer will depend on the length of the ruler we use. As we move towards smaller and smaller rulers or finer and finer scales, we are moving through the fractal iterations. At some point, the length of the coastline will begin to fluctuate. This is an emergent property and it is caused by the wind and the waves, time and tide. If we imagine that the coastline of England is the hidden structure of reality, and the length of the coastline is a physical law, such as the fine-structure constant, when we take a measurement at very large scales (increments of 20 miles) the answer will not fluctuate but as we move to finer and finer scales something magical happens, the answer begins to fluctuate. This is the uncertainty that physicist are up against. The fluctuation, or lack thereof is an emergent property. Also, as we move to finer and finer scales, the concentration of energy increases. The fractal nesting of ever increasing cycles of time are related to scale. Truth as a logic structure is closer to simple and the further away from simple you get, the deeper and more nuanced an explanation will become until you reach a point where the energy is so high that no explanation is possible. Two drops of water that could be considered in all regards as identical, separated in space, have separate identities however, two drops of water that could be considered in all regards as identical, separated in time are considered to have the same identity. In this, we see that time is not just another dimension of space/time, there must be a distinction and if the math says there is no distinction then, the math is wrong. It is our actions that define us. In an infinite probability space our action encodes meaningful information into an intentional field of implicate order. This is the manifestation of events from some degree of possibility, depending on your position in the fractal structure. There is variation in probabilities because the interconnectedness of the fractal structure has variation. This is like saying the computation is dependent upon the position in the computational geometry, or in human terms it describes a range of behaviors, reinforced by repeated actions, (variation in the density of a probability wave). The more an action is repeated the greater the density. Intent, process and perception as a key principle of reality. All particles have a form of awareness, an exchange of information. In the hierarchy of this process, consciousness emerges. Living systems concentrate order from their environment leaving a ripple of disorder in their wake. As order emerges in the living system, a proportional amount of disorder is also created. This has something to do with meaning. The value or quality

  • @cranna31
    @cranna31 5 лет назад +2

    Just take a look at the works of Dr Ian Stevenson and Dr Jim B Tucker.

  • @harripitkanen1953
    @harripitkanen1953 5 лет назад +2

    Being dead is the same as being unborn. Thats it.

  • @sngscratcher
    @sngscratcher 7 лет назад +1

    Sounds a little like Tom Campbell.

  • @fouldsam1466
    @fouldsam1466 3 года назад

    John Hick lowkey cute

  • @rickwyant
    @rickwyant 6 лет назад +1

    Humans are so pathetic, just can't get over the fact that this moment is all we get.

    • @moesypittounikos
      @moesypittounikos 4 года назад

      Try high dose psychedelics and you will definately see something beyond.

  • @mitchkahle314
    @mitchkahle314 7 лет назад +2

    Zero evidence = wishful thinking.

  • @dckfg01
    @dckfg01 4 года назад

    John Hick is one great Heresiarch. This man talks myth, which, paradoxically, he has tried to demythologize all his life.

  • @b0ondockz838
    @b0ondockz838 3 года назад +1

    I hope there isn't reincarnation.

  • @assortedtea902
    @assortedtea902 4 года назад +1

    Didn't expect this bunch of non-sense on this channel

  • @jamesbeck2654
    @jamesbeck2654 6 лет назад +3

    Jesus IS the way, the truth and the life. Hell is 100% real and so is heaven. Do not believe John Hick. After death you will live eternally in heaven with Jesus Christ or die a second death, an eternity in hell enduring torture that will never end.

    • @myothersoul1953
      @myothersoul1953 5 лет назад

      How Jesus and hell seems incredibly cruel.

    • @63302426
      @63302426 4 года назад +2

      James Beck You need some morals in your life if that's morals that your religion teaches you.

    • @ggstylz
      @ggstylz 3 года назад +1

      That’s ridiculous! You have no proof of this. Only indoctrinated fools who fear death or even life think this way. And even if it were true, I’ll be having a few words with this creator when the time comes. He and his son have a lot of explaining to do!

    • @jamesbeck2654
      @jamesbeck2654 3 года назад

      @@63302426 you’re a moron

    • @jamesbeck2654
      @jamesbeck2654 3 года назад

      @@ggstylz fool

  • @paulheinrich7645
    @paulheinrich7645 4 года назад

    Fricken full volume ad at the end ruined the experience. This channel sucks!!!

  • @noseefood1943
    @noseefood1943 7 лет назад +6

    closer to truth sucks. all the interviews end up with "we don't know".

    • @EntropicalNature
      @EntropicalNature 7 лет назад +12

      Well, perhaps you should consider that many fundamental questions not only are unanswered, but perhaps may never have an answer...

    • @longwartonmaller2925
      @longwartonmaller2925 7 лет назад +8

      that's the truth about everything, we simply don't know but asking questions is what lead us to our technological civilazation

    • @casualjoe2
      @casualjoe2 7 лет назад +10

      'we don't know' is closer to truth than 'we do know'

    • @stlkngyomom
      @stlkngyomom 7 лет назад

      Noseefood Try simulation theory,IANDS,Bruce Greyson,Brian Weiss,Robert Waggoner,Louise Hay,Jordan Peterson,Tom Campbell,Gospel of Thomas,Allan Watts.

    • @vf3le
      @vf3le 5 лет назад

      Nobody will know this question. You will experience it yourself.

  • @juanmarcos1145
    @juanmarcos1145 3 года назад

    It's hilarious that kind of atheist that tries by all means to convince theists that they're are wrong and that death is final. They seem to be doing it pursuing the joy and satisfaction of killing someone else's god. It's a very psychopathic behavior, and hilarious at the same time, since it's a really childish and ridiculous thing.
    They tend to be successful and optimistic young people, that see their own death too much far away, the least of their concerns. Why should anyone need a god in that case?
    The curious thing is that, as they grow old, many tend to be less psychopathic.

  • @ronjohnson4566
    @ronjohnson4566 7 лет назад +2

    great theologians..... that's funny.

  • @josephkingsley8708
    @josephkingsley8708 7 лет назад

    Lol. I don't care where he went to school. This guy is not nearly as clever as he seems to think he is. It's hilarious that he builds this new person obeying some physical constraints and then invokes God to tie up the loose ends when it stops working.

    • @joshheter1517
      @joshheter1517 6 лет назад +1

      Joseph Kingsley ... did you really laugh out loud at this?

    • @josephkingsley8708
      @josephkingsley8708 9 месяцев назад

      @@MarisaHoare-px8or not sure which video I thought I was replying to at the time, but it wasn’t this one. There’s nothing this guy says here that is unreasonable.

  • @myopenmind527
    @myopenmind527 7 лет назад +1

    There is not prospect of life after death in the sense portrayed by the monotheistic religions of the world.
    This has been refuted by science (physics and medical science) a long time ago.

    • @MidiwaveProductions
      @MidiwaveProductions 7 лет назад +7

      My OpenMind. You say: This has been refuted by science (physics and medical science) a long time ago.
      Response: I have looked into this matter. No evidence for your claim can be found. But please feel free to correct me if you have the evidence.
      The belief that there-is-no-life-after-death is a popular belief within scientific materialism ... But since scientific materialism itself is a pre-quantum theory, the only thing that is certain to be dead is this theory ;)

    • @joshheter1517
      @joshheter1517 6 лет назад +2

      I missed that discovery... can you send me a link?!?!