actually according to one of the experts of sisi, sisi DID actually love franz at first. they shared a bed which indicated a successful wedding. though, her wonderlust did eventually take priority and franz was more of a mama’s boy to stand up to his mother. i doubt she didn’t age well, she just hated to get her photos taken as she grew white hairs and wrinkes. i think she was probably so lovely
And when you get married at 15 it makes sense that your feelings might change. An older man's infatuation can be very flattering at first, but they didn't have much in common and it wasn't a life that would have made her happy.
Tony Ramirez, I was shocked by the way Netflix took such liberties with this series. As a historian with a degree in European History, I found the dancing at the wedding offensive, the customs horrible, and the Archduchess Sofia was quite ugly and old fashion. Sisi was one of the most beautiful royals of that time along with Princess Alexandra of Wales (later Queen of the UK and Empress of India) and Empress Eugenie of France.
Yes! I had to skip ahead through that wedding dance. Unwatchable! And some of the costumes and jewelry (particularly Sisi's mother's Kohl's sales rack necklace in the first episode)! I also have a degree in history (Mesopotamian), though, so I think we're in the minority of people who notice/care. 🤷♀😆
A Diana of her time? Sure, she did charity work, but she also squandered ridiculous amounts of money on her travels, and cared about preserving her looks more than anything else. The myth around this couple is absurd, especially considering how much factual information there is from that time period. it wasn't that long ago.
I agree with many of the comments, but I will say the concept of beauty ( male or female) changes over time. For example I find men with bears distracting today. But the personality of a person more important in a relationship. Franz Joseph was influenced and controlled by his mother. He thought he was doing the right thing for the empire there many right wing government employees who controlled him. He is a tragic figure but is still much beloved till today by the people of the former Austrian Empire. I have been 2 times to Austria and Hungry and have friends feel this way.
I did enjoy the series as a fictional story and I liked Sisi being portrait more like a rebel. Despite a small Sisi mania going on lately, we still didn't get a proper portrait of her and Franz :( I hope the series inspires people to go and read the actual history though.
This is exactly how I feel! I was disappointed to not get an accurate portrayal (as much as we know of course) but aside from the historical inaccuracies it’s a captivating and well-written series.
Once I saw the costumes and Maximilian (of Mexico) in the trailer, I decided not to watch the series at all - one can immediately say it's not accurate at all. I will not waste my time on a "historical" piece which does not make any effort to be at least partly accurate.
@@jonatikaWwe Go see Bridgerton for accuracy where English aristocrats who made their vast fortunes on slave trade and work are played by black actors... LOL
She didn't get to raise her children, until her last. Plus she became a empress in her own rite, without FraznJoseph. I think she did pretty well for herself.
I have to admit that the historical inaccuracies, especially with regards to Maximilian, are painful and frankly disturbing. In a generation where less and less people read historical literature and narratives are adapted as suits the purpose, accuracy is vital. It’s all good hiding behind a label of “inspired by”, but let movie makers abide by a minimum amount of civic responsibility. What’s next, romanticizing the world wars? The true story is in itself interesting and entertaining enough, and education through entertainment is useful, providing one enlightens with the truth. Sissi was in intricate personality, she was extremely egocentric, and whilst she complained about the cold reception into the imperial family, she reserved an even colder reception for her own future daughter in law. One can say as much good as bad about her, but one should look at this through the eyes of historical context. Accurate context!
To me, the difference between The Empress and Bridgerton is one show is trying to depict people who really existed and the other is filled with only fictional characters. The Empress is a well-written story but so far off the truth. Also: no, Sisi did not love Franz Joseph passionately and could not refuse to marry him at that time, but she liked him and described him in many letters as a dear friend. They bonded over their love of nature.
We actually don't know if she was in love with him. But after four years in their marriage, they didn't live together anymore but indeed, they stayed friends.
The costumes really annoy me tbh. Not everything has to be made new. But as many other things are inaccurate as well - doesn’t really matter what the costumes look like
About the costumes, I liked them and at the same time not. They are for sure incredibly beautiful. The materials, the strong colours, ... Really well done. But, yeah, not really historically correct. Would have worked better for a fan fiction or totaly made up story. (Even though parts of the show are fictional)
I am way more interested in beautiful fashion. As the series take many liberties with the truth otherwise, inaccuracies in the costumes hardly seem to matter. I adore all the costumes, period.
Its a fiction movie based on real events, not a documentry movie... So Its okay for me... Unless they said the movie based every real life of the princess
I don't get why it's "wrong" they were inspired by the characters but it's fiction after all and so it could be taken wherever the writers and directors want to take it. The story is well written, it is captivating, the costumes and art may not be "accurate" but again it's fiction, and they are beautiful!! If you want the actual history you can watch a documentary, which is just as interesting and captivating. There is no need to expect pears from an apple tree.
The problem is uneducated people knowing nothing about the real Elisabeth, who have only watched such highly fictionalized biopic and usually didn’t do any further research, will believe that this is the real history and continue spreading misinformations. Like it currently happened with Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz Queen of Great Britain and Ireland the wife of King George II, and the misinformation mostly spread among Afrocentric Americans about her being allegedly Black even when we know her entire family tree and how everyone of her close relatives have looked like (not her parents, not her brothers and even any of her children as well as her grand children had any south or central African features)
One thing I am always looking at in these costune dramas is the Jewellery. People take insane liberties... And this show is no different! Curious about the brown sparkling necklace that Sisi is given by the Archduchess.... what IS it? Brown dimonds? (I get the sense brown or "coffee" diamonds are a recent addition to the diamond world, as in, the last 100 years?) though, looking like actual stones, instead of Sisi's mother's necklace in the first episode, which looks like a barfed up set of floral hair baubles from Claire's. Sometimes, yes, amazing pieces that at least looked of the era, but my my, some of the pieces, based on what you are saying about the clothing, just aren't as inspired. I do love some of them, though.....
There should be s series on Franz and Katarina Schratt. It is one very special affair, sponsored by none other than Sissi! That was very modern for the 19th century. Even now such arrangements are rare if not nearly impossible to sustain. This being said (or written), Die Kaiserin is a joke, not historically accurate in any way. The real Elisabeth was much more interesting that this farce on screen. It is as if the producers wanted to create a Bridgerton in Vienna with Sex & the City in crinolines! This is NOT a good series by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is the other series based on Sissi which was broadcast last year. I get it, the Romy Schneider movies were romantic fluffs. But at least they retained the free spirit of the empress. If you want to make a series based on historical facts, at least respect the characters!!!! The Crown was better at this. By the way, Sissi truly loved Franz. But she was too young and traumatized by the court and her first sexual intercourse with the Kaiser was horrible, he took her virginity after 3 nights of refusal and it felt like a rape to her (even though she did not describe it as such, it was the 19th century after all). Guess Archduchess Sophie should have hired better "hygienic countesses"(the term coined then for noble prostitutes at the sexual service of the Empire). And the rest was quite nightmarish as well. The Hofburg protocol was strict and she did not adhere to it and never could. As wrote one of her biographers, Sissi was a 20th century woman, with all the qualities and problems coming with it, trapped in a 19th century world, as if her soul mistakenly opened the wrong door.
Viele Sisi Filme beruhen nicht in allem der Wahrheit. Jeder Sisi Film hat Wahrheit und Erfundenes in sich. Man denke nur an den 1. Sisi Film mit Romy Schneider. Ich denke, die Masse an Sisi Filmen sorgt an sich schon für geschichtliche Zweifel bei den Zuschauern. Und lockt zur eigenen Nachforschung. Wer war Sisi wirklich....
she is ambitious that is why she married the emperor. she is a capricorn rooster, a very ambitious woman. But she is also loving to her family since she is urge 6. and has a bit of humanitarian number 9. But roosters aren't focus on creating or helping others, it is more on her personal gains. The year of birth is stronger than any other signs and numbers. She is a rooster so it is more on personal gain and personal achivements and she wants to be somebody and to be married to a higher class.
The greatest lack of this show is lack of artilery battery cavalry and plotoon fire in battles battles look as kungfoo theathers with slowmotion air movements making it unrealistic and franz joseph as noble man and ruler would never fight on foot as infantry man but i guess all movies and series are like that today we see so many knights in heavy armor fight ing on foot as more as in some duel rather than in real battle where many thousand clash in massed but i guess nobody knows what real battle was who writte script
I've already posted my disappointment somewhere with the illiterate/careless historical research, for what ever reason, the makers of this series decided to visualize its version of the troubled/enigmatic Sisi.
sooo many things wrong with this series... 1. Casting: the actress who most closely resembles Sisi today is Martha MacIsaac, NOT Devrim Lingnau. Not even close! MacIsaac has a similar energy as Sisi, she would have been an amazing choice. 2. Maximilian I depiction was clownish at best. The real Max was NOTHING like this depiction. Maximilian was very full of himself, but did not have a conniving bone in his body. 3. Maximilian and Sisi were lovers. Its true she felt very little for Franz Joseph, she had many lovers over her life, of which Maximilian was only the first. 4. True that she was not an "Empress of the people", but she was very partial to the Hungarian people, and their plight. 5. There was no love story. Elisabeth's only loves were her beauty and fitness regimen, what we now consider illicit drugs, and frequent travel. 6. Totally glossed over the fact that she was essentially raped as a young teen by Franz Joseph on her wedding night. Probably not a good foundation set there from Franz right at the beginning of the "love story".
Take 60 seconds to find, i.e. google, her wedding photo, in which she is wearing a white dress. I'm genuinely curious as to why people don't automatically do basic research before contesting the accuracy of something. That makes no sense to me, and maybe you can help me understand why. I do not get it at all.
actually according to one of the experts of sisi, sisi DID actually love franz at first. they shared a bed which indicated a successful wedding. though, her wonderlust did eventually take priority and franz was more of a mama’s boy to stand up to his mother. i doubt she didn’t age well, she just hated to get her photos taken as she grew white hairs and wrinkes. i think she was probably so lovely
And when you get married at 15 it makes sense that your feelings might change. An older man's infatuation can be very flattering at first, but they didn't have much in common and it wasn't a life that would have made her happy.
I definitely do not like it...
Tony Ramirez, I was shocked by the way Netflix took such liberties with this series. As a historian with a degree in European History, I found the dancing at the wedding offensive, the customs horrible, and the Archduchess Sofia was quite ugly and old fashion. Sisi was one of the most beautiful royals of that time along with Princess Alexandra of Wales (later Queen of the UK and Empress of India) and Empress Eugenie of France.
What a cool career!!! Any good shows you recommend? I don’t like watching those that are too far from reality lol
As a historian, your analysts of Elizabeth should be a little more nuanced. Seems like a very romantic description
Yes! I had to skip ahead through that wedding dance. Unwatchable! And some of the costumes and jewelry (particularly Sisi's mother's Kohl's sales rack necklace in the first episode)! I also have a degree in history (Mesopotamian), though, so I think we're in the minority of people who notice/care. 🤷♀😆
I totally agree 👍👍
What do you think of all this wrong battle portrays in all those shows who puts knight in heavy armor on ground he should be on horse back
No need to change her, she was the Diana of her time. Modern and misunderstood. She wanted to be a mystery and she succeeded!
A Diana of her time? Sure, she did charity work, but she also squandered ridiculous amounts of money on her travels, and cared about preserving her looks more than anything else. The myth around this couple is absurd, especially considering how much factual information there is from that time period. it wasn't that long ago.
Naaaah
Sisi never RECUPERATED the feelings of the emperor? Perhaps the word RECIPROCATED is the word you were looking for in your narration.
Thank you.
I also caught that one, was very confusing…. Lol
I caught that as well. Who writes this stuff?? 🙄🙄
@@rickg39180 Illiterates
Netflix got the emporer right though! He’s very cute 🥰
Very handsome😊
The actor playing Emperor Franz Joseph, is Netflix's "The Empress" saving grace..The real Franz Joseph was not as handsome..🤔😜
I agree with many of the comments, but I will say the concept of beauty ( male or female) changes over time. For example I find men with bears distracting today. But the personality of a person more important in a relationship. Franz Joseph was influenced and controlled by his mother. He thought he was doing the right thing for the empire there many right wing government employees who controlled him. He is a tragic figure but is still much beloved till today by the people of the former Austrian Empire. I have been 2 times to Austria and Hungry and have friends feel this way.
I did enjoy the series as a fictional story and I liked Sisi being portrait more like a rebel.
Despite a small Sisi mania going on lately, we still didn't get a proper portrait of her and Franz :( I hope the series inspires people to go and read the actual history though.
This is exactly how I feel! I was disappointed to not get an accurate portrayal (as much as we know of course) but aside from the historical inaccuracies it’s a captivating and well-written series.
Once I saw the costumes and Maximilian (of Mexico) in the trailer, I decided not to watch the series at all - one can immediately say it's not accurate at all. I will not waste my time on a "historical" piece which does not make any effort to be at least partly accurate.
So annoying! I need to find some (actually) good shows!
@@jonatikaWwe Go see Bridgerton for accuracy where English aristocrats who made their vast fortunes on slave trade and work are played by black actors... LOL
Maximillian wasn't Emperor of Mexico until years later so that part is accurate.
The theme of this series is “we don’t need no stinking historical accuracy.”
She didn't get to raise her children, until her last. Plus she became a empress in her own rite, without FraznJoseph. I think she did pretty well for herself.
Without Franz Josef she was a Princess in Bavaria, not even a Princess of Bavaria.
Duchess in Bavaria. But she was a Royal Highness.
@@christinahuie3944 Only after 1848 was she styled “königliche Hoheit”.
@inaleyen2737 I am sorry but a Fuerstin is not a Herzogin. ( Duchess). This title ranks above a duchess.
@@christinahuie3944 Why are you sorry and what is your point?
It’s reciprocated not recuperated.
Why do people think they need to learn history from tv series?? Why? There is tv drama, and there are documentaries, there ia difference!!!
I really like the Emperess, that aside, the unrealistic liberties taken are off the charts.
I have to admit that the historical inaccuracies, especially with regards to Maximilian, are painful and frankly disturbing. In a generation where less and less people read historical literature and narratives are adapted as suits the purpose, accuracy is vital. It’s all good hiding behind a label of “inspired by”, but let movie makers abide by a minimum amount of civic responsibility. What’s next, romanticizing the world wars? The true story is in itself interesting and entertaining enough, and education through entertainment is useful, providing one enlightens with the truth. Sissi was in intricate personality, she was extremely egocentric, and whilst she complained about the cold reception into the imperial family, she reserved an even colder reception for her own future daughter in law. One can say as much good as bad about her, but one should look at this through the eyes of historical context. Accurate context!
I'm sorry, but the costumes apart from very few are absolutely ugly. Introducing drama on the level of a high school show is unnecessary.
To me, the difference between The Empress and Bridgerton is one show is trying to depict people who really existed and the other is filled with only fictional characters.
The Empress is a well-written story but so far off the truth. Also: no, Sisi did not love Franz Joseph passionately and could not refuse to marry him at that time, but she liked him and described him in many letters as a dear friend. They bonded over their love of nature.
We actually don't know if she was in love with him. But after four years in their marriage, they didn't live together anymore but indeed, they stayed friends.
@@Maren.2002 you can read her feelings in several letters from her mother and herself. she liked him as a friend.
@@thisismaria27 Where did you read those letters?
"She never recuperated his feelings"!!!!!!
Who cares, I love EMPRESS, Season 2 come at us already🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼😊
Why didn't Netflix depict the Empress this way; literally changing history. Ridiculous!!
I loved the show even though it was way off. If I want accuracy in my entertainment I'll watch the news, documentaries or true crime. I enjoy fantasy.
Here sister's blunt hair cut was bizarre. I have never seen a haircut like that from the period. Also it was stiff and looks like a bad wig.
The costumes really annoy me tbh. Not everything has to be made new. But as many other things are inaccurate as well - doesn’t really matter what the costumes look like
The whole story line of Franz Joseph picking Elisabeth over Helene was complete and utter NONESENSE
About the costumes, I liked them and at the same time not. They are for sure incredibly beautiful. The materials, the strong colours, ... Really well done. But, yeah, not really historically correct. Would have worked better for a fan fiction or totaly made up story. (Even though parts of the show are fictional)
I am way more interested in beautiful fashion. As the series take many liberties with the truth otherwise, inaccuracies in the costumes hardly seem to matter. I adore all the costumes, period.
I didn't like that they completely modernized her wedding dress. There are actually paintings of her wedding dress back then
Its a fiction movie based on real events, not a documentry movie... So Its okay for me... Unless they said the movie based every real life of the princess
I don't get why it's "wrong" they were inspired by the characters but it's fiction after all and so it could be taken wherever the writers and directors want to take it. The story is well written, it is captivating, the costumes and art may not be "accurate" but again it's fiction, and they are beautiful!! If you want the actual history you can watch a documentary, which is just as interesting and captivating. There is no need to expect pears from an apple tree.
The problem is uneducated people knowing nothing about the real Elisabeth, who have only watched such highly fictionalized biopic and usually didn’t do any further research, will believe that this is the real history and continue spreading misinformations.
Like it currently happened with Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz Queen of Great Britain and Ireland the wife of King George II, and the misinformation mostly spread among Afrocentric Americans about her being allegedly Black even when we know her entire family tree and how everyone of her close relatives have looked like (not her parents, not her brothers and even any of her children as well as her grand children had any south or central African features)
One thing I am always looking at in these costune dramas is the Jewellery. People take insane liberties... And this show is no different! Curious about the brown sparkling necklace that Sisi is given by the Archduchess.... what IS it? Brown dimonds? (I get the sense brown or "coffee" diamonds are a recent addition to the diamond world, as in, the last 100 years?) though, looking like actual stones, instead of Sisi's mother's necklace in the first episode, which looks like a barfed up set of floral hair baubles from Claire's. Sometimes, yes, amazing pieces that at least looked of the era, but my my, some of the pieces, based on what you are saying about the clothing, just aren't as inspired. I do love some of them, though.....
I have a question! Why in the movie did they have Helenes hair cut into a bob after he picked CeCe? Doesnt make any sense to me?
Who cares about the dress and stuff, i want season two
I knew those were wrong from having read so many books on her.
When do they not take liberties??? 😂😂😂 Never watch a historical drama expecting the truth.
For one Sissi was taller than Franz Joseph.
There should be s series on Franz and Katarina Schratt. It is one very special affair, sponsored by none other than Sissi! That was very modern for the 19th century. Even now such arrangements are rare if not nearly impossible to sustain.
This being said (or written), Die Kaiserin is a joke, not historically accurate in any way. The real Elisabeth was much more interesting that this farce on screen. It is as if the producers wanted to create a Bridgerton in Vienna with Sex & the City in crinolines! This is NOT a good series by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is the other series based on Sissi which was broadcast last year. I get it, the Romy Schneider movies were romantic fluffs. But at least they retained the free spirit of the empress. If you want to make a series based on historical facts, at least respect the characters!!!! The Crown was better at this.
By the way, Sissi truly loved Franz. But she was too young and traumatized by the court and her first sexual intercourse with the Kaiser was horrible, he took her virginity after 3 nights of refusal and it felt like a rape to her (even though she did not describe it as such, it was the 19th century after all). Guess Archduchess Sophie should have hired better "hygienic countesses"(the term coined then for noble prostitutes at the sexual service of the Empire). And the rest was quite nightmarish as well. The Hofburg protocol was strict and she did not adhere to it and never could. As wrote one of her biographers, Sissi was a 20th century woman, with all the qualities and problems coming with it, trapped in a 19th century world, as if her soul mistakenly opened the wrong door.
well of course there are changes here and there, but in total, I find this series a lot better than the other one!
I saw the 50's classic movies with Romy. The sets were beautiful, the movie was OK.
You compare their older version of themselves to younger version
Viele Sisi Filme beruhen nicht in allem der Wahrheit. Jeder Sisi Film hat Wahrheit und Erfundenes in sich. Man denke nur an den 1. Sisi Film mit Romy Schneider. Ich denke, die Masse an Sisi Filmen sorgt an sich schon für geschichtliche Zweifel bei den Zuschauern. Und lockt zur eigenen Nachforschung. Wer war Sisi wirklich....
Tv is go relate to the audience and entertain them. It is not to be historically correct.
Check out the movie: Corsage.
she is ambitious that is why she married the emperor. she is a capricorn rooster, a very ambitious woman. But she is also loving to her family since she is urge 6. and has a bit of humanitarian number 9. But roosters aren't focus on creating or helping others, it is more on her personal gains. The year of birth is stronger than any other signs and numbers. She is a rooster so it is more on personal gain and personal achivements and she wants to be somebody and to be married to a higher class.
The greatest lack of this show is lack of artilery battery cavalry and plotoon fire in battles battles look as kungfoo theathers with slowmotion air movements making it unrealistic and franz joseph as noble man and ruler would never fight on foot as infantry man but i guess all movies and series are like that today we see so many knights in heavy armor fight ing on foot as more as in some duel rather than in real battle where many thousand clash in massed but i guess nobody knows what real battle was who writte script
Whatever is the real history - Germans created a masterpiece.
And Hollywood gets jelaous. Congrats German artists!
When is the second season
Hopefully... never
I've already posted my disappointment somewhere with the illiterate/careless historical research, for what ever reason, the makers of this series decided to visualize its version of the troubled/enigmatic Sisi.
The show is pathetic! Zero historical accuracy. I saw few scene and was enough I don’t watch more.
Romy Schneider is a MUCH more beautiful Sisi.
这个茜茜演员选错,一脸横肉有邪气看了不舒服.去看看茜茜本人那张脸,除了美丽只看到干净.
sooo many things wrong with this series...
1. Casting: the actress who most closely resembles Sisi today is Martha MacIsaac, NOT Devrim Lingnau. Not even close! MacIsaac has a similar energy as Sisi, she would have been an amazing choice.
2. Maximilian I depiction was clownish at best. The real Max was NOTHING like this depiction. Maximilian was very full of himself, but did not have a conniving bone in his body.
3. Maximilian and Sisi were lovers. Its true she felt very little for Franz Joseph, she had many lovers over her life, of which Maximilian was only the first.
4. True that she was not an "Empress of the people", but she was very partial to the Hungarian people, and their plight.
5. There was no love story. Elisabeth's only loves were her beauty and fitness regimen, what we now consider illicit drugs, and frequent travel.
6. Totally glossed over the fact that she was essentially raped as a young teen by Franz Joseph on her wedding night. Probably not a good foundation set there from Franz right at the beginning of the "love story".
Wasn't it Queen Victoria who made white gowns all the rage for wedding dresses???? This was before her time, so that made no sense to me...
Take 60 seconds to find, i.e. google, her wedding photo, in which she is wearing a white dress. I'm genuinely curious as to why people don't automatically do basic research before contesting the accuracy of something. That makes no sense to me, and maybe you can help me understand why. I do not get it at all.