Blower vs. No Blower (Can I add a blower to my gas fireplace?)
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Today Trevor talks to our newest and most favorite customer Mr.Knowitall. Mr.Knowitall is on the search for a new fireplace . Trevor explains why a blower is not the most important part to a warm fireplace.
We took a look at two different fireplaces and discussed the differences. We distinguished that there are generally two different types of fireplaces. The first kind is decorative and the second is a furnace rated heater. The glass used is the biggest difference between these two types of fireplaces. The glass installed makes a huge difference in the heat gas fireplaces provide. Watch our video and learn why radiant heat is the most superior form of warmth.
What do you think Mr.Knowitall will go with??
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This video has been soooo informative. Thank you. I appreciate the sensible approach and great explanation.
Glad it was helpful!
Dude, when Mario comes into your place of business and says he knows everything just trust him. 😂
Haha we need to find a red hat! Thanks for the comment 🤣
Wow... all your customers now carry an inherent fear that you secretly believe they're stupid. Great anti-commercial.
Thanks for watching!
I immediately thought the same thing. Empathy plus education gets good results. You might be right but making fun of the customer closes the door.
... to add, with the limited experience of the Mr KIA, he knows that a blower is needed due to the lack of heat the unit he has is not sufficient. As stated above, educating the customer would be the plus not to berate him for limited knowledge/experience. Educate and you may get a sale of proper units vs 'showcase' fireplaces where their purpose is simply ambiance vs function.
Oh my gosh - guys! Not only have you helped someone who has just moved into an apartment with baseboard heat and one gas fireplace - you have made my day with your humor :) I have been living with relentless fan noise and will look to remedy it. I'm in Ontario Canada so can't stop by the store to say thanks but really appreciate this video. BTW: It is -17 Celisus today!!
Wow thats cold! Thanks for watching.
@@embersliving 😊Glad I did!
Just pulled the trigger on a Kozy Heat Rosevelt 34L. Thanks for all the videos. Helped me out a lot! They are a month out for install but that gives me time for the remodel!
Nice!
Kudos on the creativity in the video. Loved Mr. Know-it-all!
Thank you kindly!
Wonderful video and explanation of gas fireplaces. I was about to insist on a blower for my FP .. VERY educational for the homeowner who thinks their FP needs a blower. Thank you !
Glad to help!
Thank you! Trying to figure out how to get *less* heat from the fireplace so we can enjoy the fire without wilting! (Also the fan is SO loud- I'm happy to know we're fine just leaving it off.) We rarely use our fireplace even in the dead of winter-just too much heat for the space (Majestic that came w the house)
nice
I'm here trying to decide if I should change my 80's fireplace out or not. Thanks for the information.
You should! No problem!
I just had to write again: Thank you so much! I am new to my heating situation: baseboard heat and a fireplace - the baseboard heat is crazy expensive - found that out the hard way! So I had to turn them off and rely only on the fireplace - I assumed the fan had to be on and...it was really getting annoying! After watching your video I found the switch to the fan - wow! what a relief AND the rooms actually feel more evenly heated now than when the fan was going all the time - this too will save on the electricity bill - yay! So, you saved a Canadian neighbor to the North from going bonkers! Aren't you glad you listened to Trevor Mr. Knowitall? I am! 😃
Thats so nice to hear! Thanks for watching!
This is so good! Thank you!
Glad you liked the video.
This was excellent. I have learned so much from this channel. Will be building a home soon in a cold climate area and I think a gas insert with ceramic glass is what I need. The living room will have vaulted ceilings too, so would you recommend a blower with it? Are there any cons to using a blower with a ceramic glass insert? Thank you for these great videos!
Ceramic glass plus a blower with be perfect for you
Good information, thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Great video. My question is it possible to change out the glass and allow more of the heat vs spending a ton on a new unit?
not really
My tempered glass is currently being replaced with ceramic glass and was considering adding a blower to my 30yr old gas fireplace. My fireplace did not heat up the room very well or took forever! Is the ceramic glass alone going to greatly increase my fireplace efficiency or should I install a blower as well?
OMG Its special guest Eugene Levy! But seriously! Thanks for info, was very informative!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great review! 👍
Thanks for watching!
Great video! I have a napoleon BGD36CFNTR and am unsure what type of glass i have. I was thinking about getting a blower, but the glass does get HOT..it seems to put out some decent heat. Safe to say its ceramic?
No that guy is tempered
Very educational,
glad to help!
I have 2 gas log fireplaces in my house. One with a blower and one without a blower. I'm in the process of building a new house and I'm putting a gas log fireplace in it WITH a blower because I like it so much better.
I added a quite blower, makes a big difference. I can feel the heat spreading across the room.
nice!
I have a two sided ventless gas fireplace insert but it doesn’t provide any heat unless the damper is closed but having the damper closed causes it to smell like gas even though it’s supposedly safe. Would adding a blower provide heat so I can keep the damper open?
Yeah a blower could help
Hello we have a Valor G30 and for sure it gives out a lot of heat , we did ask to have a blower with it the extra cost was apron $300.00 but they talked us out of it . I really wish I had the blower as we sit about 10 ft away and its hard to get the room above 21c we have to almost sit on top of the fireplace . I call to have a blower installed and they still say we don't need it, in the end if they do come they almost $900.00 to install a fan from Valor . I look online and there are lots of after market fans from $40 up to $120.00 . Cam you recommend a good after market fan that I could get installed . I am told they take 1 to 2 hours tops to install so the total job could be done under $300.00 . Thank you very much .
We always recommend professional products and installation
You showed the temp of the face of the ceramic fireplace, but a true test of efficiency would be to measure how much heat is escaping out the chimney. Can u util
ize more of the generated heat with a fan? Is 60 percent of generated heat going out the vent? If not, how do u know what btu is being captured inside the home and how much is leaving?
good questions
I was mainly considering a blower for Heat n Glo SL-9-IFT to keep my tv above from getting too hot. Is a blower a good way to do that?
That could help
Mr knowitall was hilarious. "Where is the heat coming from. Its a sealed box!". Lol
hahaha
I was told that I need a (very costly) chimney liner and cap. If I got one of those ceramic fireplaces that you were showing at 7:15 would I still need the cap and liner? On another note, can you modulate the intensity of the flame so that it's not that high? My sitting area is only about 6-7 fr. away from the fireplace. If it''s too hot no one will be able to sit there for long.
it really depends on the model, cause they are kind of specific
Never knew that about the newer units!
awesome
Just wondering if there is an option to replace the tempered glass with ceramic glass on those cheaper inserts?
I just take off my glass on my builder grade fire place. seems to let out at least 4x more heat, gonna add a blower too.
@@rollandelliott bruh.... Please don't harm your family 🤦♂️
My Gas logs put out a lot of heat but most of it rolls up against the wood mantle and it gets too hot. My ? is would a blower reduce the heat that goes up to the mantle instead of out in the room?
It could help. We also have this video that could possible help you - How to heat multiple rooms with your fireplace! - ruclips.net/video/X88DvJqWp9A/видео.html
If you have more questions feel free to let us know! Thank you for watching.
Hi! I'm Mr know it all. Lol!
I've had 2 gas fireplaces.
First gas fire place had a fan and heated a 750 spuare ft room in 5 minutes
2nd gas fire place did not have a fan and only heated up a 400 square ft living room and took 25 minutes to even get warm. It also smelled like burning plastic.
Thats ook! Thanks for watching
Is there a way to turn a fan on blowing air outside on a fireplace and not have it turn on to heat? My neighbours have highly scented laundry products that I think is getting in the vent.
I would try the owner manuel to see if there is a bypass
Wonder if the same principle applies to a wood burning fireplace? I have a RSF 0 clearance manufactured wood burning fireplace with a blower and it heats the house. The blower is a pain as I have to service it every season, take it apart and clean/lubricate the bearings or it craps out.
inserts are amazing heaters a fan never hurts
So, if your couch is 12-15' from the fireplace, will you feel the radiant heat without a blower?
yes for sure depending on the model
We have no gas lines in our neighborhood. Does this work efficiently with propane ?
It will heat well yes. But you will spend quite a bit more vs. natural gas
The cost of a blower/fan replacement I was quoted $250. Does that sound about right? My fireplace is 7 years old, and the fan still works. I can adjust the speed and turn the fan off if I want. I have a vaulted ceiling with a loft bedroom and must say my fireplace with the fan is far more efficient that my furnace.
yes it does
Ha ha! That a funny video. At the end when he grabs his hair. Blower is not on 😂
haha
I have an Ironstrike Performer C260, and I’m struggling with how to operate the blower in auto mode. Can you help please?
You will have to call us (303) 800-5659
I have an open gas fireplace (no glass). Can and should I put a blower on a unit like this? I really don't want to close it in. Thanks
never seen it done before
I'm new. But was there a glass that broken previously without you know it?
@@hvacworkshop4791 no, it's a big hearth meant to be open, but not very efficient in heat generation. Likely sucking more heat out than anything.
My dad used to build real fireplaces and inserts and having a blower distributed more heat throughout the living area and home. Today I have a home with a gas fireplace insert and it heats up the mantle that I have to set a fan to blow across the front of the fireplace to distribute and dissipate the heat. ..with this fan blowing across the front and my ceiling fan on the whole room is heated…so yes you do need a blower to distribute the heat .. and if you lose power you will still have a heat source and something is better than nothing in this case but the facts are, a blower will distribute the heat making heat a more effective heat source and that is obvious.
Thanks for watching!!
Our television is above the mantle/fireplace. The heat from the gas fireplace moves straight up and makes the mantle and even TV hot. Would a blower help move the heat out to help avoid this problem?
We have a heat vent that releases the heat above the TV. The blower coming from the fireplace might make it worse. Take a look at our top 5 linear fireplaces video you can see what im talking about there.
Nice video, can you replace the glass from tempered glass to ceramic glass, for more heat?
No cause it wouldn’t change the heat output coming from the burner
@@embersliving
The tempered glass is stopping efficient heat transfer but replacing the tempered with ceramic glass won't allow for more efficient heat transfer? Ahhhh. That makes zero sense. 🤦♂️
We just added a blower to the Heatalator in our townhouse. I should have known better. It draws air along the bottom, under the box and blows it out the top. As the rest of the house cools it just pulls that cool air into the room. We had much better heating from the fireplace with no blower and the ceiling fan in reverse.
Dang!
@@embersliving We turned the blower to its lowest setting, but ended up just turning it off. There will definitely be upgrades before next winter. Appreciate your video.
I have a Heatilator NASIM GA759569 with tempered glass; can I get a ceramic glass for it ?
not really
On the builder grade fire place insert that you first showed, can you just take off the tempered glass to allow the heat through into the room or is that dangerous?
dangerous
@@embersliving Just curious, but the danger would be that the fire is exposed right? Similar to having a real wood log being exposed in a chimney? Sorry for the noob question, just trying to learn. 😅
@@ericmagallansame question here; we have three and none have glass fronts
It's dangerous because you'd be releasing carbon monoxide into your home instead of out the chimney stack
@@m1cajah get the glass! Don't release that carbon monoxide into your house
so can one replace the temper glass with ceramic glass? estimated cost to replace?
For some brands you can! You will have to check for your specific fireplace.
IF our fireplace has an electrical outlet and switch, can we assume that it''s a tempered glass rather than ceramic glass unit?
no
All of these suffer because the heat clusters around the fireplace. If you want heat moved around the home, bring fresh air in from outside and run the air past the exterior of the fire box. Then crack a window in the furthest rooms. This allows heated air to move into all of the rooms and not just in the area of the fireplace furnace. For this to work well, you will probably need a blower. During the 80s, it was called an Alpine fireplace furnace. This brings fresh air in and any airborn viruses to be pushed out either thru the fire to get burnt or to be pushed out of the home thru a very small exit at remote windows. This makes for superior heat distribution rather than a purely decorative item only
nice
My gas fireplace is old and has two glass doors that open. Very little heat comes out. How can I make it more efficient?
not much you can do
When I shut my fireplace off cold air is coming in. Is there a vent outside I need to shut?
what kind of fireplace
Ok SO enough with the teasers--when do we get your recommendation for the replacement of the EVO? for the new backyard kitchen at your place?
so sorry I promise its coming may just take a bit
He already posted a video where he claims he has a Hestan at his house. That appears to be a lie, and the statement likely violates various consumer protection laws.
My parents have a heat n glo 6000 from 1999-2000 and it doesn’t have a blower and it puts out plenty of heat. Id still take a heatilator over a napoleon I’m not a fan of fireplaces not made in the USA. But for me I’ll still with the Heat&glo 6000 series
thats a nice model too
Very informative! I’m didn’t know that tempered glass is not a good idea and I can get away with not buying a blower if it’s not tempered glass.
What budget brands would you suggest that are not tempered glass? 36”-42” is what I’m looking for and gas fuel with direct vent
Thank you
I would look at the Napoleon altitude, its our best seller for sure
We have a White Montain blowerless fireplace insert in a living room with vaulted ceilings with a long hallway at the top of the stairs. We thought a blower might help our situation because all the heat seems to collect at the top of the stairs and down the hallway. In the video you did mention that blowers might help in that situation...do you think that is still the case or would suggest something different for us?
I think it would help some
How about blowers on units with screens & no glass front?
Yeah that would help
So basically, having a blower provides extraction of more heat than without a blower no matter what fireplace you have.
Makes sense.
Thanks for watching!
night at the improv !!!
haha
I thought I needed a blower. The fireplace that came with my house is a gas burning insert into what looks like a wood burning fireplace.
It doesn’t even look like there was ever a blower.
intresting. Sometimes a blower can help, but the quality of the glass will determine the radient heat.
@@embersliving It’s a folding glass door. I usually leave it open.
The moment I heard that from him, I went to another video.
Right after you left a comment. Thanks for watching!
Are blowers loud?
Some can be
whoo your sign must be fire. Very blunt but I agree, people can be know it alls and know nothing. I did not grow up with an alternative heat source, and I have a gas fireplace without glass, two switches on both sides of the fireplace and 1 dial at the base, with the striker being a separate button. Even knowing to turn on the gas first when you don't have any clue on how a fireplace works is a good place to start.🤣
Mr knowitall is just for fun. Thanks for watching.
I like how the ones that don’t need a blower have a blower, especially how he said it’s easy to just throw a blower in it. Dumb. Y put an optional application on a furnace that didn’t need it but the one that needs it doesn’t have it. Money money money
yup. thanks for watching!
Okay. Thermodynamics insists that the more modes of heat transfer that exist the more efficient the heat transfer will be. Convection + radiant heating is significantly more efficient. Also, radiation requires thermal mass on the inside of the house to store the radiant heat. Stack some bricks or clay pots of water in front of the fireplace if you want to sell radiation as a sole heat transfer mechanism.
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Why do you not mention A.F.U.E. (Annual Fuel Utilization Efficiency) . It is literally what it is designs to tell you. Show two comparable models with blower and no blower and show the numbers. Hell do the test yourself; put a unit in a small room a mesure how long it takes to get up to temp at the same gas flow. Fow someone that sells fireplaces just let the units sell them self with well informed buyer off a real practical tests.
Thanks for watching!
The glass is 500degF ?! That’s burning hot
haha don't touch it !
It sounds like that less efficient unit is better for kids safety being only 200 degrees. I worry about kids touching that 515 degree glass.
Thats probably true actually
If you want HEAT get yourself a Cast Iron fireplace with a BLOWER .. No way your going to feel radiant heat 25 feet away from one of those PICTURE FRAME FIREPLACES. Go to a place that sells Cast Iron gas Fireplace and see the difference with a BLOWER if you want HEAT, not a Show Fireplace. Just sayin .....
nice
You can not change the laws of physics. Give me some efficiency number than I would start discussing.
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Not sure I agree with the expert here. I have a ceramic glass fronted gas insert fireplace and the blower makes a big difference.
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He doesn't answer his own question in the title, "Can I add a blower to my gas fireplace?" If I have a gas fireplace and I want to add a blower, does anyone make a blower to retrofit a gas fireplace?
if its the same brand
Mr know it all has a dump truck
ha
Tell me you have an elementary understanding of thermodynamics without telling me you have an elementary understanding of thermodynamics.
haha
The tempered glass is stopping efficient heat transfer but replacing the tempered with ceramic glass won't allow for more efficient heat transfer? Ahhhh. That makes zero sense.
your forgetting the key component Adam, first the tempered glass will not allow more heat without the glass breaking, so the unit is designed with a low heat out put burner. So even if you put a ceramic glass on there it won't heat more because your not getting any extra heat out of the burner, if that makes sense
@@embersliving so it's not the glass at all, it's the burner size?
I’m wondering the same thing as the guy above. What units are efficient without tempered glass that have the correct kind of burner? I need gas direct vent
@@belindavanowen1990 This is a mechanical engineering/thermodynamics question....in a nutshell it's all about BTUs (British Thermo Units). This is a measurement of heat/energy. A burner's BTUs don't necessarily equal the fireplace appliance total BTU output (burner, ceramic logs, glass, etc), usually the burner is sized account for heat/energy losses of the total system/appliance. The more efficient the insert/appliance as a system, the more heat is transferred into the room. If you have two equal fireplaces with the same burners, logs, one with ceramic glass and the other with tempered, the insert with the tempered glass would transfer more heat/energy (or perhaps have a higher BTU rating). Or, if you have a 50,000 BTU rated burner in a system/appliance that loses 10,000 BTUs (due to heat loses) the total system would be rated 40,000 BTUs. If you have a 50,000 BTU rated burner and a system that loses 2,000 BTUs, the insert/appliance would be rated 48,000 BTUs....any mechanical engineers, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Blowers will not help with vaulted ceilings. No blower on, convection will almost stick to the wall, blower on low...comes out maybe a foot before rising, blower on high..comes out maybe two feet before rising. You're certainly not gonna feel the hot air on you more than several feet away, that would always be the radiant heat. Also, saying blowers don't give more heat is technically false, as you an measurably demonstrate a cooler wall surface with the blower on vs off, meaning you ARE transferring more heat energy into the room.
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A ceiling fan distributes the hot air
@@toms6833it destratifies the air in the room by mixing the hot air on the ceiling with the cooler air below it. But that's not I was talking about.
Burning your arm! Not safe! I have a Heatilator in a condo we bought. It was installed in 2004, we bought it in 2022. With the flame adjusted at half or lower, a probe from a cooking thermometer placed on top of the fire box, reaches over 300 degrees. Thats between the fire box and the outer shell. An Airblaze blower by A C Infinity, that installs under the box, with a dc. motor, temp. probe, and adjustible temp on-off blower speed settings, will flat run us out of a 16x30 rm. with a vaulted ceiling to the second floor with a loft above. I have more but thats enough! I think the wrong guy's wearing the clown mask
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Bad business to insult the customer
sorry
Wait so you're suggesting a $2000 unit for example without a blower, and the customer says he "needs" a blower and points to the $3000 unit that does have one and you're complaining? I would be like "sure Mr. Know-it-all, let's get you into the more expensive unit with a blower" and enjoy the higher commission without having to do any extra work.
sorry for the confusion
I am mr know it all. Please forgive me, I can change
haha
Social distance- and who’s the know it all?
haha
I wouldn't buy anything from you all. First off most self proclaimed experts like you don't listen to what the customer wants. He told you plainly what he wanted. Plus calling him Mr. Know it all was uncalled for and you called all your customers who didn't agree with you. Sell the customer what he wants is what we've been taught in the sales and service business
I guess you didnt get the joke
All this video tells me is you discriminate against mario and luigi. Hence, you dont like Italians.
Trevor seems like a liberal... lol
uhh ok.
Justinbryant6676 seems like a douche
social distance? assumes customers are stupid if they have an opinion? yeah nah. thanks for warning me before i wasted my time there
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