Top 5 Maintenance Mistakes With Park Tool's Calvin Jones
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2018
- From using the wrong tool for the job to not giving yourself enough time, here we have the legendary Calvin Jones' top 5 maintenance mistakes. Are you guilty of any of these?
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We were lucky enough to be joined by Park Tools' Director Of Education Calvin Jones and we asked him what he thought were the top maintenance mistakes. I'm sure we can all say we're guilty of at least one of these - will you admit you are? Let us know in the comments. 👇
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Are you guilty of any of these? Let us know. 👇
Through years I have been guilty of them all, but if you don't break the goods, there is no credible way of learning. On another note, we cannot get enough of Calvin. I think he qualifies for the second most legendary moustache in the industry, following Tom Ritchey. Also, he seems to be cold, please regulate the air conditioning in the room!
I am guilty of teaching others NOT to delay. I listened to Is when he did the "15 Minute Bike Wash" video. I tell everyone to wash their bike after every ride, it gives you the opportunity to go over the whole bike every time. That way if your bike makes a creak/tick/thud, you know that the BB was dirty or that your chainring bolts aren't tight, or that your shoes aren't clean/clipping in properly, etc. The better you know your bike the better you can explain to the mechanic what is wrong when something eventually does go wrong. Not to mention you'll be petter prepared when it does!
Nailed me with the one about trying to use my old tools from the 80's and 90's after a long hiatus when I built my gravel grinder over the winter.
Trying to true a wheel based on info I found on the internet. 'Nuff said. Fortunately the local bike shop managed to fix the 8-shape I made out of it.
I had a creak near my BB. It took a full summer and into the autumn to figure out the issue. I took it to a shop and they said BB overhaul. Did that, still creak. Replaced the BB, still creaked. Re-torqued and adjusted the BB, still creaked. It ended up being the chainring bolts themselves. Problem was, I had no idea that was even a thing that could happen, nobody told me and none of the mechanics mentioned that it was a problem. Eventually got it fixed, though it cost more than $100 for a fix that could have taken five minutes. If only this video could have come out a few years earlier...
Calvin Jones is a gent, right off the top shelf. Thanks for having him on.
They ride a bike, they're in our tribe. Best quote ever.
Except motorbikes.
Pete Smyth why not
@@peter_smyth Even motorbikes, Pete.
I read your comment at the exact moment Calvin said it... WTF ?
The wisest moustache of the business!!
Seriously, Jones' videos have been crucial for keeping my bike (and my neighbors ones!) on the road. Have a big "thank you" hug from Venezuela!!
Cheers Alex, great to hear you have learnt lots!
I find it highly suspicious that there are no pictures of a younger Calvin Jones on the Internet. I believe he is a trapped time traveler from the future.
Or from the past that dude needs a handlebar moustache 😃
@@Anthony-vm1jc A handlebar moustache would look good on Calvin as he does work on bicycles for a living
He is the boom guy from the Atlantis movie
Love Calvin. He helped me so much after I messed up my bike MANY times!
"Wrong tool for the job" I find my self really guilty for using a spoon to fasten the hollowtech II Nylon nut
I'm guilty of using spoons as tire levers. Never again!
You just got to love Big Calvin Jones, the Man the Myth the Mechanical Legend
#6 Not buying a work stand earlier. Total game-changer for home bike maintenance.
I was in REI the other day at the tool wall and had to wait while the associate helped another customer figure out which bottom bracket tool he needed. After listening to them go around several minutes, I interrupted, asking what the customer was trying to accomplish.
It turned out he'd removed his front derailleur and in the process of putting it back on had managed to jam chain and derailleur between the chainrings and the frame. What he was looking for was a crank extractor. I sent him off with the correct crank puller. but I'm not optimistic about his future success. He swore that his derailleur was supposed to mount *below* the big chainring, which is likely how he got into trouble in the first place.
My advice is that if you are taking apart anything you aren't intimately familiar with, you should take photos before every change you make. This will prevent you from forming any strange ideas about how they're supposed to go together again.
Speaking of crank pullers, I got a new bike with a crankset creak. When I took the left crank arm out I found that about 10mm of the inner surface had been tapped, likely by the overinsertion of a CCP-22. Is there a reason the inner threads are so long? I have the old double-ended CCP-1 and the threaded insert hardly sticks out at all.
The Park tool videos that Calvin does are the best instructional tutorials out there. Jon is awesome. Doddy is just freakin amazing in the amount of accurate info he gives you in each video. Watch you all, respect you all. Thx
Thanks Jesse!
Calvin should be in a movie or have his own show
that dry humour of his should be in wine merchants' rack as a rating of dryness. just below zero on the scale is a "jones" rating for the driest wine available
ha ha
FYI, he is the star of plenty of Park Tool videos (check out their website and RUclips channel). The bar tape wrapping one is very handy (shows a few different strategies)
I've gone back many times to that video. Recently taped up my bars (for the first time) using his favorite method. The wrapping looked pretty meh but not too bad for a first time. Funny enough when taking it to my LBS and asking their opinion on the wrap they said it was all wrong XD
Tbh I find it funny how people can say 1 method is wrong when another is right, I mean they are all just means to an end and will work fine. It's just bar wrap guys get your head out your *** and learn to live with preferences of other people.
"Tbh I find it funny how people can say 1 method is wrong when another is right, I mean they are all just means to an end and will work fine."
That may be true with throwing horseshoes...but not in mechanical repair where there *often* is a right, or wrong...but, hey man, that's just my opinion, along with 50 years of wrenching ;)
Very sure but I was in this case specifically referring to the different ways to wrap your handlebars. Even within the pro peloton there are people that prefer 1 wrapping style over the other.
One way you will tend to loosen the wraps, or roll the edges, as you pull on the bars, while climbing or sprinting...less of an issue with adhesive-backed tape, but if you leave it on for a season details matter.
I've made years of good use of the Park Tool videos that Calvin has made. He's the guru. Funny, too. Great to see him here.
Cheers David 👍
In my experience if you hear a noise from the bottom bracket area, it is never the bottom bracket.
Had this before and turned out after weeks of replacing everything, it was the rails of my saddle somehow
in my case it was, the guy at the previous bike shop cross threaded the BB, and ruined the frame. good thing that now they don't thread on the frame at all, so the bike is fine. but it was making an awful cracking sound and if i turned the pedals slowly the crank would get stuck!
Unless it's a cannondale
I’ve got a Cannondale so I’d tell you otherwise
@@aaronkeogh in my case the bottom bracket noise was from the bottom bracket. bracket.
Item 1 - We see it in IT all the time - bring me a problem, not a solution. If I know the problem (symptom), we can work on the solution together.
Part of my research is to visit my local bike shop, Matt Butterworth on Abbeydale Road, and ask, 'Matt, what do you think. Can I fix this? What would you charge me to fix it?' He'll often give me some advice, tell me to have a go -- and bring it back if I still can't fix it.
Sounds like a great man, a lot of bikeshops here wouldn't even bother telling us to just bring it in.
This guy is a legend - I wish I could be his apprentice
I don't rush as I enjoy working on my bikes. The most frustrating thing for me is knowing I have the part or tool somewhere but not being able to find it. So my tip is to be organised. Well it's Jon's tip really and he did a good video on this.
I've built my own bikes for years now but I still learn from these videos. My bikes run pretty much perfect all the time now and are much cleaner than in my old racing days. This makes cycling even more pleasurable for me and also gives you confidence that you can fix things even on solo rides. Learning maintenance just makes sense.
I've really enjoyed your visa with Kelvin
I love his quirky sense of humour & knowledge
Awesome and fascinating video as always!
Honestly, I've been guilty of rushing and using the wrong tools for the repair job! Hats off to Jon and Calvin.
Thanks Omaris!
Anytime! (^_-)v
Thanks Calvin! Hope to see you more often on my favourite RUclips channel.
I went to a Calvin maintenance / meet at the ICE bike show in Milton Keynes . He told me boy to question authority . But we learned how to fix our gears . Top guy
One of the best videos GCN has ever done. More of this format!
Great to hear, glad you enjoyed it!
I like the fact this is about approach rather than specific faults. I am really worried as I learn, that I'm going to make expensive mistakes. Especially about tightening back up. Do I really need a torque wrench for an aluminium bike? It turns out that even on the carbon forks, putting front callipers on doesn't need a torque wrench if you do it up just tight enough not to move? And grease / locktite / dry fitting. I never really understand what goes where. Lots of people seem to use copper grease on pedal threads, but is that right... etc. etc. No wonder we doubt ourselves.
It's so tricky, there's a lot of information out there and it's overwhelming. It's harder to break aluminium parts than you think, Allen keys come in different lengths because the smaller the bolt, the less torque you need. It's hard to describe but it's just a case of going up to the point where you feel you're beginning to over exert yourself. I used to use only copper grease, it works great for all threads, but that's where it's applications stop. For all bearings I use a lithium-molybdenum (lith-moly) grease. I'd use thread lock on anything you don't want to be removing regularly, for example cartridge style brake block screws, chain ring bolts and cleat bolts. I hope I've helped a little!
It's best to torque everything right. I also had a bike that I was working with without experience and torquing everything as much as possible. Rode it for 4 years and everything is still fine with it. Aluminum is quite tough. I'd say stay away from carbon until you have maintenance fully figured out.
These are really informative videos👍🇦🇺
Glad you thought so Bondy!
Calvin should write a life-help book: Funny, memorable, and true:-)
Stop:
1. Asking the wrong questions - Define what's going on. (@0:36)
2. Lack of confidence: "Stop throwing spaghetti at the wall" Define it then Get in there and do it. (@1:32)
3. Using the wrong tools - Let technology give you a hand: use the correct, modern tools for your task. ( @2:12)
4. Rushing: Don't rush, do things ahead of time. (@ 3:36)
5. Not asking for help: Ask a friend, take a class, do the leg work, enjoy it. (@ 5:47)
This has made me laugh so much. Brilliant! Calvin should have his own show!!!
He does
In fact he does at the Park Tools' YT Channel.
(I am pretty sure you know it by now)
if you don't know Calvin, check out his three day handle bar video. Pure craftmanship on display.
Learning as ALWAYS with GCN, and PARK TOOL, best info around PERIOD!!!
Cheers lefty!
Great video
I love the way an advert for the pizza cutter came up as Calvin's talking about taking your time. I think that's more prevarication, even if it is choosing the right tool for the job.
I tore down and rebuilt a Cannondale Headshok once.... I couldn't find any exploaded diagrams and had to lay out the parts in order they came out. Took forever to put it back together though
Speaking of the right tool for the job, good to see you guys have both the right and left-handed park tool chain whips hanging on the wall, in case you need to service a bike with an australian drivetrain. Don't want to be stuck using the wrong one!
I can't count the number of times I've picked up a chain whip expecting it to be the right-handed one, only to find it's left-handed! I have to put it back in the drawer and search around for the correct one, and wouldn't it happen I always find it when I go back and check that first drawer again!
Always admire knowledge of experience people in all dimensions....
Smile on my face having Calvin join in a GCN video!
This guy explains things brilliantly.
Calvin - brilliant.
Calvin Jones, what a Legend!
The most gratifying bike repair for me is stopping to help a stranded rider. I pack some of Calvin's and GCN Tech's knowledge in my panniers to assist. Oh, and please do a full review of the Park Tool SPK-1, not sure I am using mine properly?
That's a good one!
What a cool dude Calvin is.
I had a creek for a very long time on my road bike when pedaling. Every time I took the BB out and clean it, it was silent for a short while. I then found that the one BB cup fitted very tightly. It is an old ISIS type which I replaced a year or so back. I then fitted the old cup which slid on easily and since then the problem disappeared.
Glad to hear you finally found the problem!
Love Park tools, they are the best around.
Calvin, I once put a rain bike together out of some high mileage 9 speed components. The cranks would make this thumping noise when I pedaled, but only in the middle chainring. I could not for the life of me figure out why just that one chainring would make a sound.
Can you recommend any online maintenance classes
Are you kidding Calvin is a bicycle god. Everyone that is serious about bicycles has a alter for Calvin.LOL
I recently noticed a click while pedaling, barely audible but I could feel it every time at a certain angle in my right foot. Funny thing was it wasn't consistent, as in not every ride or not even consistently throughout 1 ride. Took me a while to find and mostly just gave up on it.
Then suddenly when riding along I started feeling the clicking again not really paying attention to it but as I am looking down for a bit to rest my neck I noticed something STUPID. So the "clicking" caused was nothing even on my bike, it was the velcro strap on my shimano shoes sticking out just enough so that on every rotation it rubbed on the crank slightly. Ofc this didn't happen every ride as sometimes they were a bit tighter or just better tucked away.
For some reason I really find this a funny anecdote and love telling it to people when they ask about endless clicking when pedaling. It's not ALWAYS the bike, sometimes it can even just be us :D
I've encountered a similar issue with the noise from the end of the front derailleur cable intermittently catching on my trouser cuff.
Omg. I did a 5hr ride this week... Click click click from bb area. Haven't sorted it yet... I have suspected my new shoes! Got my first 100mile ride on Saturday... Must sort before then!
From this video I learned that you should get your knee replaced!
Calvin Jones and #GCNtech together is great. Hey Calvin, how’s the hotdish in Great Britain?
Cannondale had a creaky bb30. Got it replaced. Creaking continued. Turned out the crankset axle was also damaged, and had deep reefs and needed pelacing as well.
As a professional cook I can appreciate using proper tools.
Good advice!......now Wheel building.....whole 'nother book. But that's another series of GCN tech vids.
More Calvin!!!!
Abso, that guy is awesome, gona start checkin out the gcn again
Glad you enjoyed this one Oreo!
I just got some new brake/shifter levers for my commuter. My first time installing levers and recabling a bike so thought I'd start with the front brake as it seemed the easiest. Put the cable in, adjusted it perfectly so I cut it, easy peasy. Then I went to tackle the rear brake. Pulled the cable out of the box and it was way too short! I'd only gone and used the rear brake cable on the front brake 🤦♂️ In my defence though it was my first time and the cables aren't labled! 😂
What is the best advice for beginners
My impossible to find click click click was in fact a hairline crack in the chainring bolt ... the nut part!! Took forever to find ..a big learning curve!
My favourite example of guessing the solution and asking for help to0 late is from when I worked as a mechanic in my local bike shop. Dude comes in looking for a new wheel. He had a very expensive MTB with fancy wheels , but no knowledge of looking after a bike. After asking a few questions I discovered he had broken three spokes, and concluded he needed a new rear wheel. he did not bring me the old wheel... he had _thrown it away_ including the tyre, cassette, and brake disk still on it. I explained that we sell individual spokes and he was amazed that spokes can be _replaced_ .
My favourite examples of wrong tools for a job:
1) seeing someone put all their weight into tightening carbon parts with a multi tool
2) my ultimate is people using cone spanners for pedals or wheel bolts. Makes me die inside every time watching them get annihilated
Grinding aluminum on a steel wheel, as an
ex-machinist this is at top of my list!! Aluminum grinding wheels are available! Ever seen a grinding wheel explode? You do this you’re a freakin idiot!!
Hammers anywhere near carbon frames, using a hammer to install bearings! Brilliant! I used to install bearings in carbon satellite components, spacecraft and aircraft! We often used liquid nitrogen to install big bearings, not even a press!
Bikes using a mix of torx and hex bolts, Brilliant, thanks SRAM!
Wheels using proprietary spokes? Weird nipples requiring special wrenches. Where are your freakin brains?
Calvin is a legend.
and there is a lot of things that it takes a good local bike shop who is willing to take the time and to listen and do the process of elimination.
I’m a proud owner of the Pizza 🍕 cutter!
Yes!
Compassion Six My daughter swiped mine when she left for college! Little brat!
Of you wish to succeed, you must ask the right primary questions. -Aristotle
read title, upvote, watch...
Calvin is a legend
Glad you enjoyed it Rixter!
I love the transAtlantic mix!
Heck both Jon/Jones' are good in their respect👏
Exactly the thing i did, change the bottom bracket and noticed it was the chainring bolt.
It was probably a multi million dollar offer to get Calvin on GCN
Thank you Yoda
Thank you Yoda
over torqueing suspension pivots to 'quieten' suspension noises, a lot of shops do this, what could be worse?
I don't go by my grandfather's tools, I'm the grandfather. Ahahaha
When people come in to the bike shop and say my tire is bent smh
Tire,rim, wheel? All the same thing, right?
Haha 😂
One of the stupidest things I've done to my bike is rushing to switch out pedals. I'd broken my ankle terribly and couldn't walk for months and was finally cleared to ride. I was so pumped, it would've been my first ride in 4 months. Switched out my cleats for flat pedals for safety and tightened then in with just my fingers and went out the door. On my way back home, barely an easy 30 minute ride one of my pedals clunked down on a 45 degree angle. Stripped the thread on my cranks, could've taken an extra 5 seconds and avoided it.
6:23 I thought you were going to say: "I drop my trousers..."
I still smiling at this video i switched off had enough after 30 seconds
Find a good shop you can ask for advice or have them find/fix your problems. People are fairly clueless about bikes and they're not the same as other things like cars.
I have messed up a few times trying to start being a home mechanic... 3rd crankset in a few months for my new mountain bike 😭 RIP
When Calvin says ask for help. What about that friend that always ask but never tries to work it out for themselves and you always end up doing it for them? It is a good job he is a good friend!
I'd love to have a remote microphone with some sort of clip attachment that connects to my smartphone by Bluetooth. Then I could place it on my bike at various locations as I try to pinpoint the location of annoying ticks, clunks, etc. noises. Anyone ever see such a product used on a bike for diagnosing problems? If so, did it help?
Mr. Luigi no,most well versed bike mechanics can pinpoint a noise
Actually yes, there are sound/noise scanner/cameras which are used to locate noises
Simone Marin Thanks! I have a 1979 Raleigh SuperCourse that I am quite attached to and it still rides like a dream. Understandably, after about 40 years of riding I have had to replace a fair number of parts...but I thoroughly enjoy working on the bike! There is nothing like the sight of fresh grease and new bearings in a bottom bracket or headset! But there is a baffling noise coming from the back of the bike. I suspect it is the derallier (SunTour Cyclone GT). But it occurs only under relatively high torque and only in one gear on the rear freewheel (middle gear). I have tried a different freewheel and the noise is still there (but this time in the two smallest gears). I don't think it's a cross chain problem. Anyway, if I can zero-in on the noise it would certainly help to determine a remedy!
They make stethoscope type devices for car mechanics to pinpoint the location of sounds.
Michael Appleman Hi Michael! You're right. I have one and that is partly where I got the idea. I just think a wireless device would be much more convenient AND SAFER when diagnosing problems while riding a bike.
ALL HAIL CALVIN JONES!
I leave the repairs for the experts to the mechanics, so I have a LOG BOOK to log In miles cad and column for maintenance, for eg rear brakes is a issue today , I make a note , so when I send in the bikes for repairs I have a list for for them to work with
I have learned that some people have a knack for bike mechanisms. I am not one and my efforts often end up costing me money to get my LBS to undo what I screwed up. So now much beyond replacing tires or brake pads fills me with fear.
In my experience that's not true. You're not born knowing how to dish a rear wheel or bleed hydraulic brakes. Practise makes perfect, start small and build yourself up. Even source a used, cheap bike and try to restore it, then it doesn't matter if you screw it up.
I started out knowing literally nothing, now I work at my LBS from literally binge watching GCN and reading articles.
@@fieryawesomeness
Great suggestion
All of them!!. Guys, where can I find a park tool school in Mexico or classes?
In 1975 or 76 I had my first bike it was a hand-me-down is somebody gave me it was a beach cruiser frame with 20 in Wheels BMX handlebars and a banana seat I rode that thing all over Long Beach California and I rode from Paramount to Lakewood and for any of six seven year old kid that's a long ways on a old junker bike like that and as you can imagine beach cruiser frame with 20 inch wheels barely have enough clearance to pedal and stop pedaling when I turn corners or the pedals would grind into the pavement
Sessions with Calvin Jones have learned me more than seven years at the University.
top 5? seems like much more likely would be failed try at re-indexing rear derailleur instead of simply adjusting the tension knob. Maybe failed try at straightening wheel by adjusting spoke tension but turning it the wrong way.
How many times I have done the spoke tension wrong when I learnt it at the LBS I worked. Turns out repetition is a great learning master :P
I find a good cleaning and relubrication fixes most problems.
Kelvin is great straight out of Sesame Street !
Test ride. And don't use the Saturday morning group ride as your test ride.
Calvin seems to be very cold there, can't GCN give him a comfortable warm welcome?
Two authorities in the bike world!
Love hearing an American say "quid"
Is Calvin the new Sheldon?
Calvin is like a Sesame Street character.
I trust the mustache
Calvin!!!!
We're all one with two wheels... Yes!
How about this: take out the brake pads, insert the brake block, bleed the brakes, pull out the block, insert the wheel, ride off (notice I didn’t reinsert the pads? ). Now the pistons are up against the brake disk... and I have a LOT of work to do to fix this mess. “Take your time”, indeed
ooch! That sounds not only like a dangerous oversight but also a potentially very costly one.
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if I had the ability to grow facial hair that looks as amazing as Calvin's, I'll be so happy.
in fact, if I had the ability to grow facial hair at all, I'll be happy!
I'm glad someone, finally, has mentioned the bad advice from the forum morons. My advice would be stay well clear of any forum, be it bikes, cars, anything. The people who frequent them are idiots, even worse than those on Twatter. Experts on RUclips (GCN, GMBN, etc) and manufacturers' websites are the places to be, for the smart guys.
Cj Reading forums can be a slippery slope at first, but once you become familiar with the dynamics it can be incredibly useful. You just have to learn to differentiate the BS form the genuine info, which can be impossible if you don’t know anything (the reason you’re reading it in the first place?). After a while it’s possible to work a lot of it out, I’ve learnt a lot from reading forums.
@@literoadie3502 Yes, I do agree with you and road bike forums tend to be a little better. However, there is a heard mentally of the morons (which make up the majority) and this is backed-up by the Admins. MTB forums are amongst the worst. I must admit, I had MTB forums in mind when I made the comment, forgot I was watching GCN. IMO they should be used with caution and information gleemed to be verified elsewhere.
Depends on the forum. I’m part of quite a few where that is the ONLY place that the experts hang. I would say it’s just general good practice to take everything you read with a grain of salt and check multiple sources. I’ve also seen plenty of hacks and terrible advice on YT.
@@washthomas definitely check multiple sources and YT hacks can be a danger zone.
Is it cold in the studio- Calvin looks frozen.