I'm confused how do you guys think them saying "whichever video of ours gets the most views proves which one is the better game, once and for all" gives you the impression they were serious about being unbiased, am I missing something
@@Zach-h2l Yes, you are missing something. They clearly were being biased, which is why the OP (and others) thought the bit about unbiased journalism was a joke. But, Rythian just confirmed in this video that they actually did go into the video trying to be unbiased, and Lewis wasn't joking, which makes it even funnier.
@@muffo99 it was Rumble Tumble Games originally (shortened to RT), which he chose because his favourite LoL hero was Rumble, and (this might not be correct, it’s been a while since he told the story) he expected his channel to have a lot of League content in the beginning.
@@hotscottrulz That's kinda funny...didnt he start out as a RUclipsr for just one game and only recently became a variety boi? Can't remember what game he started out on tho but I remember it wasn't league 🤣
@@muffo99 from what I remember (and, again, it’s been a while since I watched the video in which he talks about this, so take this with a grain of salt) he started sort-of variety when he was much younger, at which point he would have played league, got bigger when he made the transition to just TF2 content, then kinda blew up when he transitioned back to full variety.
I think the funniest thing about it is that they're praising HoN and ripping on LoL while showcasing a new champion release. It's not just some random video about LoL. Fans clicked on that video to see some gameplay and critique on the new champion and instead they got "go play HoN, lol"
@@drafezard7315 gamescom riot interview - rengar preview, its on sjins channel. Nearly forgot it lmfao, the awkwardness is so thick its hilarious they ever even tried to put sips in that kind of situation looking back now. I think its one of the first times he was in a live video so we were all just stoked to finally see his face
Man, I can remember a time when those "New HoN Heroes" videos came out and Rythian guest starred in. It was a nice break from the normal Lewis/Simon/Hannah content at the time.
The real issue back then with buying heroes wasn't the price of champions. It was the rune pages. In order to be competitive you had to have a fully leveled account and a fully filled out rune page. A rune page itself ran the price of a champion. The runes for a rune page cost the price of 2-3 champions. Which means in order to effectively play one champion with one set of runes, you had to sacrifice the potential of playing 4-5 other champions. There was a bit of overlap in similar roles, but if you wanted to play two roles, you needed about 8-9 champions worth of runes and pages. And if you wanted multiple pages for one champion to help counter enemy picks, that's another rune page, another half-set of runes, another 1-2 champions. If you wanted to play some specific champions with very specific rune requirements (Akali comes to mind) that's *another* rune page, another half-set of runes. You can see where this becomes an issue. You either pay for champs and pages, or you main 1-2 champions on the slow slow grind to getting a third (and then needing *another* rune page for it). This is all gone with the current system, and all the boxes dropping free stuff and the occasional missions giving extra resources, and the expanded set of free champions, and many old champions being extremely cheap, etc. Now Riot survives on whales who really need that 9th Ahri or Lux skin which is great for the F2P players but.... yeah.... You can really tell where priorities lie when it comes to balance changes sometimes. If Riven or Irelia ever gets a bug or falls out of favor it gets fixed fast but some people have to live with crippling bugs for months until it affects one of the favorites or, worse yet, an actual televised competitive match.
That was the absolute worst, and also the fact that the prices were so different. All the champions I want interested in were are the cheap ones, and the ones I wanted were super expensive. And of course I had no runes because I wanted to play different characters. At least in smite you get to try out any character in the private training mode, but not in league.
well said. the rune pages were why i stopped playing the game. glad to know they are gone now, too bad i dont have the time to play mobas anymore. the joys of being an adult
The comments from Lewis and Simon just get more and more barbed as the video goes on. Also doesn't help that it's ripping into LOL who let's face it, has a very 'dedicated' fan base. No wonder they got flamed for this 😂
The only game like this I've played was Smite, and I never understood why you have to pay for the other characters instead of just buying new skins and announcer packs and such
Ahh Smite, There was a time me and my friends were super into that, I want to say 2013. I wonder how its going? Thanks for reminding me about it, going to go check now!
@@philgoodinc2 DON'T DO IT. I went back to it a few weeks ago, and it isn't the same game anymore. Crowd control is insanely common now, and there are enough new gods and changes that returning players will have a steep learning curve trying to get back into it. Felt real bad, especially since I have several friends I made in that game, including a dude whose wedding I was in. Good memories, but best left as memories.
@@philgoodinc2 It’s pretty much just used as some content for the streamer Mizkif when he has nothing better to do…apart from that it’s pretty much a non-profit at this point…
I could see them doing another set of videos exactly like this with Dota2, I don't know anyone that pays real money for champions in league. Hell, most don't even pay real money for skins, you can get those for free as well. (Albeit somewhat randomly)
Well, I guess like Gacha style games, you do have the whales who do pay for ALOT of stuff compared to people who play for just longer periods of time. Imagine that though...Gacha and MOBA...
In my experience a LOT of people pay for skins (based on how often I see people rocking skins in ARAM games). However yes, there really isn't a reason to ever buy champions with real money.
@@cloudybrains I'll admit I used to buy skins when they were much cheaper and you could only get them through real currency purchases. Since they made them available through boxes and prime I haven't bought a single one, but have still unlocked quite a few.
The unlocking champions thing is still true. Play non-stop for five years or pay $700 dollars to unlock all characters. Meanwhile Dota 2 has all heroes free, and you can pay $15 dollars when on half-sale for all Smite gods. ://
Yeah, it's mental. League is weird too because they make so much from skins, and their regular playerbase has so much blue essence that you can just use that to unlock the new champ anyways. Doesn't make any sense.
I almost have every single champ in League and I haven't spent a single cent to get a champion. I don't understand how you can spend $700 to unlock them? unless you buy each one on release with money? If so that's on you.
I haven't payed a cent to buy a single league champ and I own all in the roles I play the most. Out of 150+ champs I don't own like 15-20 and they are characters I don't want to play anyway. League has gotten very good at just giving the champions or letting you get whatever champ you want. Especially if it is a new account.
It's far, far better than it used to be. Back then, grinding for champs was a bit of a slog - not to mention that you had to buy runes and rune pages! Now runes are free and there is a lot more given away and quests to earn blue essence (to buy champs). Still would be far better if the champs were free, but compared to how it used to be, it is so much better.
The one line that hurts me is "It's like the Runescape equivalent of Warcraft." As someone who played both the aforementioned games when they were as new as LoL and HoN were at the time of this video(this is a 2011 video about 2009 and 2010 MOBAs, so "first 2 years"), I found 0-2 year old Runescape was heaps better than 0-2 year old WoW, which kind of breaks the analogy for me. No kidding WoW nowadays is a huge improvement, but at the time Runescape felt like a fun world to be in, and compete with friends for progress and read all the things that were being said. I logged back in frequently and kept grinding because I felt like it. Comparatively, WoW when it was new felt visually muddy, lifeless(granted I main played undead, so that may've effected things xD) and the thing that kept drawing me back was my family's wallet, because we were paying a monthly fee to play. Now, as I understand, WoW is well worth playing, but it took time to get there, so, at the beginning, the reason to play Runescape wasn't that it was "budget WoW or WoW for people without credit cards" it was "Why pay for something that isn't an improvement?"
im following yogscast since 2010 and i gotta be honest i dont remember this video at all... probably was not into LoL. Whell not 'was' i still am... that game confuses the living shit out of me.
@@owenvince9096 No, they are definitely missing out on 4 people screaming "WHERE ARE YOU" "WE WERE GANKING" "YOU SUCK" "KYS" "STOP FEEDING", and knowledge on whether or not you are a masochist. It's an important part of building one's character to participate in a MOBA at some point.
Been watching for almost twelve years myself but mostly ignored the WoW vids and anything related to mobas. Mainly watched minecraft vids and vids where Lewis and Simon were playing a random indies.
I also strongly agree with Rythian half way through this though... I abandoned League for many reasons, but the biggest one was having to purchase/unlock the characters to have them usable. Reactions are hilarious then and now though, and entirely valid.
Pfff. Champs in LoL were and still are pretty easy to get (just start with the cheapest ones). Runes on the other hand... now that was a true IP (ingame currency then) sink. Putting together 3 viable Rune pages could easily cost as much as your whole champion pool. Luckily they were merged with Masteries and made free a long time ago.
@@Blackn3t They may seem easy, sure, but that requires you to grind the game as the main thing you play. Meanwhile, most other Mobas out there? You can just what you wanna play, you don't have to purchase or unlock shit.
@@anonymouscayh MOBAs like what? I know of Dota, LoL and Smite. And afai in Smite you also have to buy them. And let's be honest - probably the only reason why you don't have to buy them in Dota 2 is because that's how it was in Dota 1 (obviously, since it was just a Warcraft map). HON was dead from the start... So what other MOBAs are there currently? And in how many of them do you don't have to buy heroes?
@@Blackn3t To be fair to Smite, Smite is a $30 game that you can play for free if you feel like it, just paying $30 gets you all the gods (immediately and forever, including future ones). League I think is the only one that you can't get all the champs for a reasonable price on Day 1, and the bundles for characters are kind of exorbitantly priced ($4 for 8 cheap champs, $35 for 20 champs some of whom are middle price, $18 for 20 of the cheapest champs, and $30 for $10 of RP and 20 cheap champs.) The new player experience in league sucks because of that, since you are so restricted in character select from start. Although I haven't played since they made the game significantly less grindy so take my words with a grain of salt.
@@Taenarius I have like 3 active accounts in LoL (1 main, 1 secondary server, 1 smurf for playing with low mmr friends) and the last time I felt like I had to grind for champs was in the year 2015. Since they introduced role selection in 2016, you basically only ever need a few champs for your main role and you're good. And it's definitely not hard to get a few selected champs. It's just hard to get all of them when you're a completionist. Imho the bigger problem is that if you want to try out a champ before you buy him, you have to go to the public beta server or wait for it to get into free rotation. So the average player will often buy something and find out that they don't really like playing the champ.
I started playing league late 2011 or early 2012. I was pretty active with thousands of hours up to 2017. Didn't even own half the Champs the haha. (Granted I spent a lot on runes and rune pages) I hear now a days you can get champions a lot easier, but there also is a lot more champions.
@@Zach-h2l not a fan of mobas and not a fan of LoL, which was why I was hesitant to watch Arcane. Gave it a shot and wow, what an amazing show. Still never gonna get into league though.
I still stand by the notion that HoN was and still is the best version of these mobas. Sure, DotA got the cosmetics down pat and ofc LoL is... popular... but the construction of the engine and the responsiveness of HoN was streets ahead of the other mobas at the time. Shame the studio sucked ass. Full of cool people, but run like butt.
100% agree. I remember getting in to Dota2 beta and the game was so much slower I went straight back to HoN, but after a while it was clear that HoN was not going to last....
Coming from WC3 DOTA, none of these knock-offs ever came close to DOTA 2 IMO. HoN was the most shameless direct copy of DOTA, so it was the closest, I'll grant.
@@jacobunderwood4957 You do know that IceFrog worked on HoN for about a year during beta and first release, which is a big reason it felt like such a ripoff of DOTA. He went to Valve right before HoN started introducing ridiculously OP new heroes.
The things they said about keeping the riff raff out and buying a game and not having a million microtransactions; man, I miss those days. They were ahead of the curve on that one. When you look at the industry now it is riddled with microtransactions and dlc content that costs more then three whole games used to. They almost always add a battle pass of some kind to games now and there are usually paid meme dances and other braindead, pop culture milking, moneymaking schemes.
There's an extension to get the dislikes back, Return RUclips Dislikes, apparently Chrome patched it so it doesn't work anymore though, still works for Firefox and Opera.
5:20 This is why Smite is the superior MOBA. You can either play for free and unlock gods as you go, or you can spend $30 to unlock all of the gods. Best of both worlds. That and the camera angle/control scheme. Also, is this the Rumble from whence Rumble Tumble came?
Rythian sits there thinking the dislikes are because they are shitting on LoL, while in reality it's fans that don't give a damn about LoL and don't want to see content about it. xD
Their takes still hold true of league, and you can see that free to pay league lead to skin simulator the game, and the new champs are stupid op vompared to older.... so....
If you play it enough you can 'buy' the champions with essence (IP back then). You get that from just playing the game. Also... wow this old League UI and the old jungle is insane to see if you're still playing.
RuneScape across the charts has been rated a better game. 🤣 WoW died ages ago and has piss poor developers who look for cash grabs and can’t fix the power vacuums they create with every new release of gear.
having played lol when I was like 12 to 15, it was great, it had low PC specs, and was widely available really early. Aka great for kids, doesn't cost anything, and even low spec pc's could play it
What? 2:10 that's just wrong right? league of legends never cost money... it has ALWAYS been an F2P game. I mean I could be wrong but unless my memory of playing beta and season 1-7 are just figments of my imagination, im pretty sure i've played for YEARS and never payed a dime...
4:20 "the fact that you can't have the hero without buying it" Oh no, the game expects players to play the game in order to unlock new characters... What a disaster /s I haven't paid for a League champ since I started playing (10+ years ago) and I have all of them... Even with new champs, just casually play a game or 5 every week, do your daily and level for free capsules with more blue essence...
I mean, the champions are still locked behind either a paywall or a time sink compared to other MOBAs that offer all heroes for free and only charge time/money for cosmetics that have no effect on the gameplay. It does give people willing to spend money or people who have been playing for a long time an advantage over newer players (outside of skill), which is a valid criticism of the game
@@DeescoTown I feel like that's also why LOL is such a success, it's not instant satisfaction. You have to play in order to unlock more champions. If you instantly got a new champ on release it wouldn't be fun cause everyone would insta-lock that champion and it might be days/many games later before you get to play them.
You DO NOT have to pay for heroes in HotS, but just spend time to unlock them. I played an hour a day for like a year or whatever, and unlocked MOST of the heroes and NEVER paid a dime.
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At the time I thought the unbiased journalism bit was a joke. Turns out they were actually trying lmao
I'm confused how do you guys think them saying "whichever video of ours gets the most views proves which one is the better game, once and for all" gives you the impression they were serious about being unbiased, am I missing something
@@Zach-h2l Yes, you are missing something. They clearly were being biased, which is why the OP (and others) thought the bit about unbiased journalism was a joke. But, Rythian just confirmed in this video that they actually did go into the video trying to be unbiased, and Lewis wasn't joking, which makes it even funnier.
Hey, it’s the origin of RTGame’s name!
So it isn't RussiaTodayGame? Lol
What was the origin of his name?
@@muffo99 it was Rumble Tumble Games originally (shortened to RT), which he chose because his favourite LoL hero was Rumble, and (this might not be correct, it’s been a while since he told the story) he expected his channel to have a lot of League content in the beginning.
@@hotscottrulz That's kinda funny...didnt he start out as a RUclipsr for just one game and only recently became a variety boi? Can't remember what game he started out on tho but I remember it wasn't league 🤣
@@muffo99 from what I remember (and, again, it’s been a while since I watched the video in which he talks about this, so take this with a grain of salt) he started sort-of variety when he was much younger, at which point he would have played league, got bigger when he made the transition to just TF2 content, then kinda blew up when he transitioned back to full variety.
For some who have no interest in MOBA both the original video and Rythian's reaction are equally hilarious.
You'd think it would stop at some point, but no, the burns just keep ramping up
It is some quality Yogscast level reasoning to argue LoL is a poor man's game but also too expensive for their taste.
Can't believe they killed HoN
It was set in stone :(
S2. Coulda been such a good place. Ran their studio so bad. Didn't even put their code through QA testers before releasing lol.
I think the funniest thing about it is that they're praising HoN and ripping on LoL while showcasing a new champion release. It's not just some random video about LoL. Fans clicked on that video to see some gameplay and critique on the new champion and instead they got "go play HoN, lol"
Remeber when Sips interviewed the riot devs about Rengar and almost fell asleep?
Omg I need to see that now. What's the vid called?
@@drafezard7315 gamescom riot interview - rengar preview, its on sjins channel. Nearly forgot it lmfao, the awkwardness is so thick its hilarious they ever even tried to put sips in that kind of situation looking back now. I think its one of the first times he was in a live video so we were all just stoked to finally see his face
Man, I can remember a time when those "New HoN Heroes" videos came out and Rythian guest starred in. It was a nice break from the normal Lewis/Simon/Hannah content at the time.
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The real issue back then with buying heroes wasn't the price of champions. It was the rune pages. In order to be competitive you had to have a fully leveled account and a fully filled out rune page. A rune page itself ran the price of a champion. The runes for a rune page cost the price of 2-3 champions. Which means in order to effectively play one champion with one set of runes, you had to sacrifice the potential of playing 4-5 other champions. There was a bit of overlap in similar roles, but if you wanted to play two roles, you needed about 8-9 champions worth of runes and pages. And if you wanted multiple pages for one champion to help counter enemy picks, that's another rune page, another half-set of runes, another 1-2 champions. If you wanted to play some specific champions with very specific rune requirements (Akali comes to mind) that's *another* rune page, another half-set of runes.
You can see where this becomes an issue. You either pay for champs and pages, or you main 1-2 champions on the slow slow grind to getting a third (and then needing *another* rune page for it). This is all gone with the current system, and all the boxes dropping free stuff and the occasional missions giving extra resources, and the expanded set of free champions, and many old champions being extremely cheap, etc. Now Riot survives on whales who really need that 9th Ahri or Lux skin which is great for the F2P players but.... yeah.... You can really tell where priorities lie when it comes to balance changes sometimes. If Riven or Irelia ever gets a bug or falls out of favor it gets fixed fast but some people have to live with crippling bugs for months until it affects one of the favorites or, worse yet, an actual televised competitive match.
That was the absolute worst, and also the fact that the prices were so different. All the champions I want interested in were are the cheap ones, and the ones I wanted were super expensive. And of course I had no runes because I wanted to play different characters. At least in smite you get to try out any character in the private training mode, but not in league.
well said. the rune pages were why i stopped playing the game. glad to know they are gone now, too bad i dont have the time to play mobas anymore. the joys of being an adult
the yogscast shut down HoN, 2011 (colorized)
Is nice that Rythian looks up the videos and you can see he'd previously given them a thumbs up
The comments from Lewis and Simon just get more and more barbed as the video goes on. Also doesn't help that it's ripping into LOL who let's face it, has a very 'dedicated' fan base. No wonder they got flamed for this 😂
Yogscast predicted the shutdown of HoN
if anyones curious, the video has 8.7k dislikes, (you can get this info since the api that tracks dislikes is still public)
the prophecy is true
I remember specifically not liking Rythian for a while after watching those videos. How could I not like Rythian?
the prophecy came true!
The only game like this I've played was Smite, and I never understood why you have to pay for the other characters instead of just buying new skins and announcer packs and such
Ahh Smite, There was a time me and my friends were super into that, I want to say 2013. I wonder how its going? Thanks for reminding me about it, going to go check now!
@@philgoodinc2 DON'T DO IT. I went back to it a few weeks ago, and it isn't the same game anymore. Crowd control is insanely common now, and there are enough new gods and changes that returning players will have a steep learning curve trying to get back into it. Felt real bad, especially since I have several friends I made in that game, including a dude whose wedding I was in. Good memories, but best left as memories.
they want your money
@@philgoodinc2 It’s pretty much just used as some content for the streamer Mizkif when he has nothing better to do…apart from that it’s pretty much a non-profit at this point…
That's why you play dota friend
I could see them doing another set of videos exactly like this with Dota2, I don't know anyone that pays real money for champions in league. Hell, most don't even pay real money for skins, you can get those for free as well. (Albeit somewhat randomly)
Of course some people do lol, but it definitely isn't necessary anymore. The shard system has made it much easier to play for free than ever before.
Well, I guess like Gacha style games, you do have the whales who do pay for ALOT of stuff compared to people who play for just longer periods of time. Imagine that though...Gacha and MOBA...
In my experience a LOT of people pay for skins (based on how often I see people rocking skins in ARAM games). However yes, there really isn't a reason to ever buy champions with real money.
@@cloudybrains I'll admit I used to buy skins when they were much cheaper and you could only get them through real currency purchases. Since they made them available through boxes and prime I haven't bought a single one, but have still unlocked quite a few.
@@Nimbus3000 Yeah. I'll still buy one though if a new skin comes out for a champion I play a lot, and it's on sale.
The unlocking champions thing is still true. Play non-stop for five years or pay $700 dollars to unlock all characters. Meanwhile Dota 2 has all heroes free, and you can pay $15 dollars when on half-sale for all Smite gods. ://
Yeah, it's mental. League is weird too because they make so much from skins, and their regular playerbase has so much blue essence that you can just use that to unlock the new champ anyways. Doesn't make any sense.
I almost have every single champ in League and I haven't spent a single cent to get a champion. I don't understand how you can spend $700 to unlock them? unless you buy each one on release with money? If so that's on you.
Yeah and Smite at least gives you a lot more free credits than League and has game modes where you can play the other gods.
I haven't payed a cent to buy a single league champ and I own all in the roles I play the most. Out of 150+ champs I don't own like 15-20 and they are characters I don't want to play anyway. League has gotten very good at just giving the champions or letting you get whatever champ you want. Especially if it is a new account.
It's far, far better than it used to be. Back then, grinding for champs was a bit of a slog - not to mention that you had to buy runes and rune pages! Now runes are free and there is a lot more given away and quests to earn blue essence (to buy champs). Still would be far better if the champs were free, but compared to how it used to be, it is so much better.
Is this the character RT gets his name from?
Yeah, he mentioned it in a video a while back (maybe his Shiny Hunting Q&A video? I’m not sure.)
The one line that hurts me is "It's like the Runescape equivalent of Warcraft." As someone who played both the aforementioned games when they were as new as LoL and HoN were at the time of this video(this is a 2011 video about 2009 and 2010 MOBAs, so "first 2 years"), I found 0-2 year old Runescape was heaps better than 0-2 year old WoW, which kind of breaks the analogy for me.
No kidding WoW nowadays is a huge improvement, but at the time Runescape felt like a fun world to be in, and compete with friends for progress and read all the things that were being said. I logged back in frequently and kept grinding because I felt like it. Comparatively, WoW when it was new felt visually muddy, lifeless(granted I main played undead, so that may've effected things xD) and the thing that kept drawing me back was my family's wallet, because we were paying a monthly fee to play. Now, as I understand, WoW is well worth playing, but it took time to get there, so, at the beginning, the reason to play Runescape wasn't that it was "budget WoW or WoW for people without credit cards" it was "Why pay for something that isn't an improvement?"
I'm glad this got uploaded, thank you :)
im following yogscast since 2010 and i gotta be honest i dont remember this video at all... probably was not into LoL. Whell not 'was' i still am... that game confuses the living shit out of me.
youre really not missing anything dont worry
@@owenvince9096 No, they are definitely missing out on 4 people screaming "WHERE ARE YOU" "WE WERE GANKING" "YOU SUCK" "KYS" "STOP FEEDING", and knowledge on whether or not you are a masochist. It's an important part of building one's character to participate in a MOBA at some point.
Been watching for almost twelve years myself but mostly ignored the WoW vids and anything related to mobas. Mainly watched minecraft vids and vids where Lewis and Simon were playing a random indies.
I love HoN but don't even want to play it right now so I can forget about it faster, what a tragedy
I also strongly agree with Rythian half way through this though... I abandoned League for many reasons, but the biggest one was having to purchase/unlock the characters to have them usable. Reactions are hilarious then and now though, and entirely valid.
Pfff. Champs in LoL were and still are pretty easy to get (just start with the cheapest ones). Runes on the other hand... now that was a true IP (ingame currency then) sink. Putting together 3 viable Rune pages could easily cost as much as your whole champion pool. Luckily they were merged with Masteries and made free a long time ago.
@@Blackn3t They may seem easy, sure, but that requires you to grind the game as the main thing you play. Meanwhile, most other Mobas out there? You can just what you wanna play, you don't have to purchase or unlock shit.
@@anonymouscayh MOBAs like what? I know of Dota, LoL and Smite. And afai in Smite you also have to buy them. And let's be honest - probably the only reason why you don't have to buy them in Dota 2 is because that's how it was in Dota 1 (obviously, since it was just a Warcraft map). HON was dead from the start... So what other MOBAs are there currently? And in how many of them do you don't have to buy heroes?
@@Blackn3t To be fair to Smite, Smite is a $30 game that you can play for free if you feel like it, just paying $30 gets you all the gods (immediately and forever, including future ones). League I think is the only one that you can't get all the champs for a reasonable price on Day 1, and the bundles for characters are kind of exorbitantly priced ($4 for 8 cheap champs, $35 for 20 champs some of whom are middle price, $18 for 20 of the cheapest champs, and $30 for $10 of RP and 20 cheap champs.) The new player experience in league sucks because of that, since you are so restricted in character select from start. Although I haven't played since they made the game significantly less grindy so take my words with a grain of salt.
@@Taenarius I have like 3 active accounts in LoL (1 main, 1 secondary server, 1 smurf for playing with low mmr friends) and the last time I felt like I had to grind for champs was in the year 2015. Since they introduced role selection in 2016, you basically only ever need a few champs for your main role and you're good. And it's definitely not hard to get a few selected champs. It's just hard to get all of them when you're a completionist. Imho the bigger problem is that if you want to try out a champ before you buy him, you have to go to the public beta server or wait for it to get into free rotation. So the average player will often buy something and find out that they don't really like playing the champ.
I started playing league late 2011 or early 2012. I was pretty active with thousands of hours up to 2017. Didn't even own half the Champs the haha. (Granted I spent a lot on runes and rune pages)
I hear now a days you can get champions a lot easier, but there also is a lot more champions.
Wow, Simon hasn't changed
Saying you're objective makes you objective, Kappa
Rythan's video progress bar is blue, is that for his colour blindness? If so that's pretty cool that their are browser addons for that.
I don't think I've ever even heard of HON and I'm generally not into mobas but I will give props to League of Legends for giving us Arcane
I don’t play mobas either but Arcane is amazing
Holy wow I've been wondering if people exist who like arcane but don't play league and here two of them are. Interesting
@@Zach-h2l not a fan of mobas and not a fan of LoL, which was why I was hesitant to watch Arcane. Gave it a shot and wow, what an amazing show. Still never gonna get into league though.
All those dislikes are because they played Rumble in bot lane.
it's so interesting seeing how similar the lads still talk to over ten years ago
I didn't know RTgame was in that video
Rumble, huh? Doesn't Rumble... Tumble?
I still stand by the notion that HoN was and still is the best version of these mobas. Sure, DotA got the cosmetics down pat and ofc LoL is... popular... but the construction of the engine and the responsiveness of HoN was streets ahead of the other mobas at the time.
Shame the studio sucked ass. Full of cool people, but run like butt.
100% agree. I remember getting in to Dota2 beta and the game was so much slower I went straight back to HoN, but after a while it was clear that HoN was not going to last....
Coming from WC3 DOTA, none of these knock-offs ever came close to DOTA 2 IMO. HoN was the most shameless direct copy of DOTA, so it was the closest, I'll grant.
@@jacobunderwood4957 You do know that IceFrog worked on HoN for about a year during beta and first release, which is a big reason it felt like such a ripoff of DOTA. He went to Valve right before HoN started introducing ridiculously OP new heroes.
Rythian low-key looking like old Duncan.
Don't know what you are talking about, from the dislike counter clearly this has 0 dislikes... /s
As only a main channel viewer I think this is the first time I am seeing Rythian. Somehow not what I expected.
The things they said about keeping the riff raff out and buying a game and not having a million microtransactions; man, I miss those days. They were ahead of the curve on that one. When you look at the industry now it is riddled with microtransactions and dlc content that costs more then three whole games used to. They almost always add a battle pass of some kind to games now and there are usually paid meme dances and other braindead, pop culture milking, moneymaking schemes.
for anyone wondering, as of right now the video has 7.7k likes and 8.9k dislikes... damn
This is unforgivable
There's an extension to get the dislikes back, Return RUclips Dislikes, apparently Chrome patched it so it doesn't work anymore though, still works for Firefox and Opera.
5:20 This is why Smite is the superior MOBA. You can either play for free and unlock gods as you go, or you can spend $30 to unlock all of the gods. Best of both worlds. That and the camera angle/control scheme. Also, is this the Rumble from whence Rumble Tumble came?
7:00 wombat11265 said it best, this sounds like Simons PP with two Rythians.
Keeps the riffraff out... Yeah I'm glad they seem to have matured since this
Also I miss HoN being popular that game was fun as hell back around the original release of this video
It's also no surprise it was LoL players seething
I recently learned that Dota2 actually has hero restrictions, you can't play the most complex heroes in your first 5/10 games or something like that
So what you're telling me is that HoN is just League of Legends without the Netflix deal.
They were never wrong once in this video
I find it funny how poor mic quality simon and lewis had compared to rythian.
So THIS is why HoN shut down!
Tbh ive never heard of hon before
Most dislikes? I don't see any... :troll:
ive never even heard of han
Rhythian just said he was gonna upload it to RUclips my guy what’re you doing
the stream VOD is here ruclips.net/video/UYwI22zix2c/видео.html
6:59 No. Don't. He supposed to deal damage.
The original vid is based af but I love it for that
this is why hon shut down :(
Doesn't RTGame stand for RumbleTumble?
This is highly entertaining
Rythian sits there thinking the dislikes are because they are shitting on LoL, while in reality it's fans that don't give a damn about LoL and don't want to see content about it. xD
Their takes still hold true of league, and you can see that free to pay league lead to skin simulator the game, and the new champs are stupid op vompared to older.... so....
If you play it enough you can 'buy' the champions with essence (IP back then). You get that from just playing the game. Also... wow this old League UI and the old jungle is insane to see if you're still playing.
*(People dislikes Yogscast roasting LoL)*
Yogscast: "Why are you booing us, we're right."
It's ok, LoL was bad then, LoL is bad now.
I was going to say, those aren't burns, those are just truths
i mean in general i think mobas look shit and have no intention of ever playing any of them but it sounds like you guys where spitting facts. XD
I mean... they're not wrong though
have watched rythian for years and just now finding out he his white?
RuneScape across the charts has been rated a better game. 🤣 WoW died ages ago and has piss poor developers who look for cash grabs and can’t fix the power vacuums they create with every new release of gear.
can i dislike a video about the most disliked videos?
having played lol when I was like 12 to 15, it was great, it had low PC specs, and was widely available really early.
Aka great for kids, doesn't cost anything, and even low spec pc's could play it
I own every champ in League and never spent a cent to get it? I don't even play often
this video is hard to watch and idk how old this video is but in lol you can get champs and skins for free, all you need is lots of time
What? 2:10 that's just wrong right? league of legends never cost money... it has ALWAYS been an F2P game. I mean I could be wrong but unless my memory of playing beta and season 1-7 are just figments of my imagination, im pretty sure i've played for YEARS and never payed a dime...
The funny thing about LOL is its even laughing at itself... Many congrats on the 10 years to our Swedish king of salt!
I can't believe he was hating on buying champs when it's so easy
Using the word ghetto like that was pretty icky too
4:20 "the fact that you can't have the hero without buying it"
Oh no, the game expects players to play the game in order to unlock new characters... What a disaster /s
I haven't paid for a League champ since I started playing (10+ years ago) and I have all of them...
Even with new champs, just casually play a game or 5 every week, do your daily and level for free capsules with more blue essence...
You can buy them with blue essence though, which is free currency.
You are only 10+ years late to let them know :)
It was more towards Rythian who said in the present time, that he hated having to buy champs :P
I mean, the champions are still locked behind either a paywall or a time sink compared to other MOBAs that offer all heroes for free and only charge time/money for cosmetics that have no effect on the gameplay. It does give people willing to spend money or people who have been playing for a long time an advantage over newer players (outside of skill), which is a valid criticism of the game
@@DeescoTown I feel like that's also why LOL is such a success, it's not instant satisfaction. You have to play in order to unlock more champions. If you instantly got a new champ on release it wouldn't be fun cause everyone would insta-lock that champion and it might be days/many games later before you get to play them.
@@Jakejolly133 dude yes! I haven't played in a while though but once a couple of champs come out I tend to go back and play the new champs for a bit
"Dota makes money just selling skins and cosmetics" Sure, but 70% of those skins and cosmetics are simply color swaps. Which should be free.
Yyyyikes, those comments from Lewis have not aged well. I know it was 100% just a bit but... woof.
You DO NOT have to pay for heroes in HotS, but just spend time to unlock them. I played an hour a day for like a year or whatever, and unlocked MOST of the heroes and NEVER paid a dime.
Disliked XD