The American V8 that created the SUV - The Carmudgeon Show w Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 97
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2023
- The Range Rover is arguably the definitive luxury SUV, and it wasn't possible without the long-lived aluminum Buick V-8.
The Buick "Small-Block" 215-cubic inch V-8 was made entirely out of aluminum - very rare for the 1950s. It wound being turbocharged for the one of the first-ever production turbocharged cars, the Oldsmobile Jetfire.
It was ultimately too expensive for production, and was fraught with casting issues, so Buick killed its V-8 - and Rover bought it.
The powerful V-8 was (literally) the driving force behind the Range Rover - arguably the first SUV to create today's Luxury SUV formula.
In this episode, walking encyclopedia Derek Tam-Scott and automotive journalist Jason Cammisa discuss the Buick V-8 in all its applications, including Jason's favorite 5-door, rear-drive luxury hatchback, the Rover SD1 3500.
They also discuss a hair-raising incident Jason caught on his dash cam - a
Mustang that passed him at over 150 mph on the shoulder, coming within inches of hitting him.
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Tuesday? Not a precedent I hope.
No, sorry for the 26-hour delay! I was slammed with work (and travel) coming back from Villa d'Este! Worth it, for a future episode, I promise!
Cheers thanks for the reply 👍
@@JasonCammisa ooh, I expect some material coming from VDE. Wanted to go there this year but could not stretch so much after booking LM in two weeks time.
@@JasonCammisa don’t fucking apologize Jason! I hope and it seems you had a great time by the lake Como 😊
@@JasonCammisaI hope there will be some talk about “Hello Gorgeous” in a future episode…..❤
Minus 3 weeks from the Piech episode
I think 160 is a little fast? idk. So I did my own maths.
30 feet between lane lines, 10 foot long lane line, 40 ft measurement.
Car takes 6 f rames to travel the distance. Keep in mind this show is in 24fps, the source dashcam is 30fps, so there are several skipped frames.
0.2 seconds to travel 40 ft = 200 feet per second = 136 indicated speed. Error margin is +\- 15mph. Probably.
This show is a treasure. I don't think there is any other place where you can get so much insider knowledge about cars. And it's not just about pure kowledge, It's also your perspective of real driving freaks who don't really care how many BHP Carrera GT has, but are instead talking for an hour about how much light flywheal changes driving characteristics of It's stick shift and why even seasoned drivers can't use it, because they don't get the rev drop thing.
I know it's off-topic, but I just wanted to thank you for this podcast. Don't ever stop guys.
Well said!
When did they talk about light flywheels? I thought lighter flywheels were better for driving dynamics
Thanks again Jason, Hyphen, and company for setting the bar for what automotive content should be.
Sidenote so you're aware; my doctor has informed me the only cure for my horrible, terminal disease is the release of the Piëchisode. I can probably survive another six months but just to err on the side of caution let's go ahead and pop that out for episode 100 ;)
"I can go fast here. There probably won't be anybody stopped on the shoulder. Moments after having been stopped on the shoulder."
Braindead.
I knew monday was a bit more depressing than usual.
Thanks for turning up lads.
Fun fact: Rover is also responsible for the bicycle as we know it today. Back then called the “safety bicycle”
Fantastic episode..as a Brit I appreciated the hyphen’s grasp of the details of the inglorious history of BL…incidentally Honda/Rover 800 were built on the same Oxford production line I believe
Thanks Jason and Derek for the information dump of this week's episode. Really interesting. Loved Jason's relationship with the Rover SD1, it's true, memories do attach us to certain cars and no explanation needed. Keep it up, bring on episode 100 on Piech 😊
It's so fun listening to you two talk about cars
Great video as always, I'm not sure he was doin 160mph, more like 120-130 mph but still driving like a bellend as we say here in the UK
A total bellend!
Yeah nowhere near 160 but a complete bellend
Thanks guys! I've not been disappointed yet!
Awesome video guys, thanks 👍🏾 I’m a huge fan of the Rover V8 engine, it is in my 1996 Range Rover and soon to be in my 1977 Triumph TR7.
I think Jason had a graduate crush on Anne-Marie.
“Alex’s mom has got it going on. She’s got an SD1 with that sweet V8 hum.”
One last comment - GM (Buick) sold the V8 rights to Rover in 1965. Then GM (Buick) sold the rights to the V6 based on the V8 to AMC in 1967. Later GM bought the V6 (and modified the 231CID and renamed it 3800) back from AMC in 1974.
and twice tried to buy the rights and tooling back from rover /bl
In addition to the production car history, the Olds version of the aluminum V8 was the basis for the Repco engines that powered the Brabham F1 cars at the start of the 3 liter formula in 1966. Repco had built a 2.5 liter version with SOHC heads for the Tasman racing series and Brabham had them stroke it out to 3 liters for the new F1 rules. So an Olds engine won 2 double World Championships.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repco
Also, this Rover engine was the larger of two engine options in the illustrious Leyland P76 !! However, it was 4.4 litres. In that form, the P76 won the Australian car magazine Wheels', COTY in 1973. (Actually, the world's first annual national car of the year award.
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Right timing! Picking up a Euro-imported Range Rover 3.9 2-door manual this week!
Awesome show, didn't know the story of how the Buick 215 ended up in England as a SBC of England. Just that it did. Thanks
Buddy of mine back in the late 90s slapped one of those early 60s Buick V8s into his US spec MGB GT - side pipes and all - it was an absolute riot
I used to drive/ride past the bridgehampton race entrance all the time, some great (fpr LI) back roads in that area. So sad its been a golf course all my life.
I am not a fast SUV guy but i appreciate the engineering that goes into them. Thanks for the quality episode as it covered a bunch or more offroad vehicles i thnik are cool but never owned.
Most old American V8s were big bore, short stroke. The Ford 302 was 4.0"x3.0" for example. They didn't quite understand port flow yet, but intuitively figured that bigger valves and high RPM would make power. Eventually they got to things like 426 Hemi and especially Boss 429, which had such enormous ports and valves that 7 liters weren't enough to really pull good port velocity, since they had shorter strokes than a Honda K24. But with lesser-flowing wedge heads, the "vibrating dinner plates" worked real good. The Rover V8 was pretty typical in terms of bore/stroke ratio.
Derek is right - SD1 does not have a transaxle.
Jason, the Vitesse variant of the Series 2 is definitely the tastiest form of SD1.
P.S. The Series 2 is notable for finally getting _flush-fitting_ headlights, and a _circular_ steering wheel!
In 1973 Leyland Australia made the P76 sedan with a 4.4ltr alloy V8, based on the 3.5ltr Rover, which was as you say based on the 215ci Buick which I thought/believed was based on a BMW alloy V8. I can remember reading about the BMW connection years ago.
Leyland Australia also used 4.4ltr in a truck and a “school” bus.
In South Australia the “rich kids”, the ones that could afford more than a just a new Range Rover in 1973/74 would get Leyland to pull the 3.5 and fit the de-tuned 4.4ltr truck engine, after compliance and inspection would then pull the “truck” cam/manifold/carburetor and fit car bits, I seem to recall a 4bbl manifold and a Holley, which increased the power dramatically, went for a ride on one, had a noticeable power increase.
Ahhh… the good old days.
It wasn't based off the BMW engine but likely was inspired by it, being alloy in construction with cam in block. Probably someone at GM saw one of the BMW engines at some point and thought "this is pretty trick, we should give this a try."
Speaking of MGB GTs with Miata swaps - I've got a '67 GT with a mildly built '99 BP4W with ITBs... Perfect complement to that car in my opinion. My homage to the MG twin cam motor. Everyone does V8 swaps in those cars and youre right its fun to have a higher rev'ing 4... and the honda K is a little too big. the B is nearly identical dimensionally to an NA miata.
@Jason. Glad you pulled the plate and reported him/her on social media. At the very least objectively dangerous behavior that's most likely to be repetitive. Hopefully gets around to him/her and gives some pause and insight, as well as onto others. That's True Driver conduct (along with what Derek said about when and where to push on a public road, preferably deserted). Anyway, you making this public I am sure saves futures lives! Thank you.
You should send the video , that’s not a car ,it’s a near death experience.
My father bought a used 1962 Oldsmobile f-85 station wagon in 1964. It looked great, drove great, and had so many problems that he traded it in on a new 1966 Plymouth Valiant wagon, because he was tired of working on it and rescuing my mother every time it broke down. It blew the head gaskets twice, suffered from blowby so bad that he put a length of garden hose on it from the oil breather out to the back of the car to direct the fumes and oily mess away, the transmission shifter mechanism broke inside, and the generator died during a road trip. The car was only two years old when he got it! This experience soured him on all GM products for decades, so that he would not allow me to keep my first car, a gift from my brother Jeff when I was 15, a 1963 Chevy Belair
Oh British Leyland, what have you done...
They robbed all the money from Jaguar as well to fill their financial holes forcing them to build their beautiful XJS is an antique workshop.
BTW: I love that fact you guys picked this show up again! I love every minute of it.
Absolutely right about Land Rover owners. I’ve owned and driven a lot of SUVs but I always find myself coming back to the second gen Range Rover. Solid, comfortable, capable, and surprisingly easy to work given it is just a regular small block V8, no timing chain nonsense.
You got me thinking about how absolutely gorgeous Rover P5s are. Marcos Mantis too! Forgot about that.
Share the SD1 lust..."brummie Daytona" 😆😆
The 34:00 story is what 'mudgeon is all about, that's just lmfao
I share Jason's enthusiasm about the SD-1 but very much before my time; one of my dad's teachers had one and i think there's a story where both a 240 turbo's wheels and the SD-1's were stolen... so the teachers returned to find the cars on concrete blocks. This was Belgium in the 80s so who knows but sounds like payback to me!
Holy shit. Holden was using versions of that V6 right up until the end, which was only a few years ago. Amazing.
Since we are talking about all the Buick 215 goodness I need to chime in on some other tidbits. Oldsmobile used the 215 but changed the design to cope with high compression and a turbo. The cylinder heads were of a different design with an additional head bolt per cylinder and the heads flowed better than the Buick engines. You have to remember back then Buicks design favored the nailhead which had smaller valves. And while we are talking turbochargers the Corvair debuted at the same time and the Corvair crowd will defend being the first to offer. Either way Corvair used the turbocharger through the 66 model year Corsa. Also Buick revised the 215 engine by switching to cast iron and stoking the design to make the Buick 300 V8 as well. A popular performance upgrade was to install the 300 crank into the 215. It also surprised me that the Daimler hemi V8 wasn’t used. Maybe production costs for that engine or lack of capacity to produce.
Wild to think that GM's response to the success of small imports was a rear engined, air cooled, all independent suspension, turbocharged line (Corvair); a front engined, transaxle, fully independent suspension sedan with a large four cylinder (Tempest); and two more conventional small sedans, both using this aluminum V8 with available turbocharging (Buick/Olds).
And, that within a few years, they reverted back to more conventional intermediates and sold off both the 3.5 aluminum V8 and the derived V6 (to Jeep). Even GM's 'mistakes' shaped the industry back then!
@@tonyflorio3269 you have to remember the recession in 59 was a small one and America was back in full swing buying large cars. I look back at the era was a success for GM and showed what the corporation could do with some of the best automotive engineers.
Crazy... that's kinda like the I95 corridor - pick a day... ANY day...
Haha..funny and true
I was going to say that's just an average Tuesday on the Jersey turnpike
Hey chaps fantastic episode, don’t forget the Sherpa van used the v8 in police and ambulance vehicles some of my work colleagues used to race each other down the local bypass after they had been serviced 😂
Good conversation guys, I do feel you missed one point worth a mention. The land rover 90/110 is an instantly recognisable shape, iconic like a coke bottle. They were pretty much everywhere on earth
SD1's were pretty popular in Australia too. I drove a yellow v8 auto once in about 1986, before i had a licence. It was comfortable, and nice in highway situations. But a manual would have made such a difference.
Always fun to see Jason & Hyphen out of their comfort zone when discussing Brit rather than German or Italian classics. A transaxle set-up in the SD1 Jason, really? Didn't you guys have an episode where you openly discussed your appreciation for transaxle cars?
While the SD1 was transaxle free (it would have compromised the hatchback utility big time and Chief Eng. Spen King favoured simple engineering solutions - which is why the SD1 & TR7 were less sophisticated in many ways than the P6 Rover & TR6 that proceeded them, losing the De Dion Rear end & Fuel Injected 6 cyl/IRS respectively) it did win the 1976 European Car of the Year and its styling made every other European executive car of that period (Ford Granada Mk2, Opel Senator, Peugeot 604, BMW 5 Series MK1 & M-B W123) look boxy, upright & staid in comparison.
I've read that at some point it was "Roverized" so much it only retained the original Buick sourced valve lifters.
An excellent show this week. Just like a grown up Top Gear. This is a compliment 😂
Jason, at the end of the episode you said you'd have a Defender - were you referring to an old Defender or the current Defender?
Zero tolerance on speed run on shoulder alone, but used temporary to pass slow moving cars safely when necessary, plus with DTS family who lost their life's (may they RIP) on the shoulder, snitching accepted imho (probably getting older too). Interesting Buick V8 history, enjoyed the content. Stay safe Gents!
3S-GE Beams in the MGB-GT would be perfect.
The Rover P6 had inboard discs but definitely did not have a trans-axle - I know I changed the clutch in my Rover 2000 one very very cold weekend - the gearbox was up front behind the engine. The suspension at the back was De Dion tube as well. The Buick 215 was introduced to give the P6 more power - an additional 50 bhp with a weight penalty (vs the in line 4) of less than 50 pounds. The motor transformed the P5 - called the P5B after it got the Buick 215 and transformed the car, much lighter and much more powerful. It was called the "poor man's Rolls." Rover was very innovative - they definitely did not have the attitude described in the show (above) - Triumph did; a bunch of egotistical snobs (see Triumph Stag V8). Rover built jet turbine cars, always looking for something new.
I don't believe they were talking about the P6. It was the SD1 and that one surely isn't a transaxle either.
Friend of mine has a near perfect Daimler SP250. Sounds lovely, apparently nice to drive, looks are subjective. His father bought it new and logged everything down to the gas fill ups.
The SD1 was a very sexy looking thing. Weirdly so when you think about EVERY other British car of the era. My Uncle had one, my neighbor had one, both of them turned to orange dust. I would LOVE to resto-mod one and drive it around New York.
as someone who used to commute on that bridge that is terrifying. It is possible to go fast out here (well CHP might say otherwise) but with all the accidents that happen on that bridge that is not acceptable
The Rover 75 v8 model the last big saloon from Brum had a US Ford engine and not the Buick block.
I loveeee it
Funnily enough, the SD1 was not modeled after the Ferrari Daytona, but the Maserati Indy. Moroccan Carmudgeon out. Source is Sniff Petrol's Boring Car Trivia 3.
Here is my laundry list of reasons why passing in California sucks:
There aren't that many passing zones
The ones they do have often don't have such great visibility
There are places that easily could be passing zones but aren't
They don't label the distance until a passing zone, how long it is, or the distance to the end
People often speed up when you're passing them
If there are multiple lanes, many people don't want to move to the right because they don't want to have to merge left later
While overtaking multiple vehicles in a passing zone, sometimes people will pull out into the left lane to pass, not realizing someone is passing them
The general culture of driving offensively rather than collaboratively
Oh good, Hyphen brought up a car absolutely nobody talks about: the MGC. I've always wanted to see an MGC GT versus Triumph GT6 sort of comparo... and throw their respective shape and cylinder count at the BMW Clownshoe and Z4 Coupe for good measure. GT6 is definitely my quirky classic dream car... but having not experienced them outside of RUclips and passing one on the freeway, that might be a rosy tint, especially since my short time with a 240Z was nothing more than a run to the gas station across the way (bumpy little sucker, but extremely clean example... we'll see what my boss' other project Z's ever come around).
Going into the BGT, we have (maybe had) a '68/69 in our inventory somewhere. I even drove it from West Sacramento to Cameron Park for some transmission work... lord that thing hated the grade up U.S. 50 in Folsom. However, it wasn't as enjoyable (to me) as a mid 70's Fiat 124 Spider we had in stock (with the squared off tail lights, not the horrid '80's blobs). The Fiat was predictably temperamental with the cooling system from where we picked it up from, but I remember it having a sweeter shifter, and really loving how it felt in general. It sold years ago to the East Bay last I saw (it was on Craigslist about a year later).
For the Vitesse discussion, there are at least two in greater Sacramento, sometimes they even show up at the Folsom Cars and Coffee, not that I've been physically present there in years, but have seen it in group posts.
SD1 = Solid rear; P6 = De Dion rear.
I see you have a CSK in the thumbnail - I built those at Land Rover. We had to send the front and rear bumpers from Germany to Holland to be painted, as Germany had just switched to water based paint. Total PIA! Also, I thought the two door lock mechanism and interior door handles were ancient - and that was in 1990! 4 door by Monteverdi design using Morris Marina handles and Kiekert locks was better.
I swear Hyphen was about to say “Part of the Pagerty Hodcast Network”
You guys see the Palmen Barnfind Collection? Tons of cars found and being auctioned right now, perfect time for Derek to get a 250 SE. You guys could do an episode on just the cars in the auction alone.
Rolls-Royce/Bentley V8 was aluminium block, introduced as 6.2L in 1959, same basic design carried until 2019 discontinuation of the Mulsanne..
Jaguar independent rear had inboard discs starting in 1961 (E-Type)
Jason if you releasede this some time early or made a note that you wanted a SD1 before I knew some one who had/has a (i think?)gold-colored SD1 V8 LHD for sale in decent condition for 50.000,- kroners here in DK.
I think it did sell(or is in proces) yesterday or so, I can ask if you guys are really inclined to import one?
1935 suburban and 1946 Willie’s wagons well before bronco or rover… still , Tomei and I both love a good StarFire Tempest
Thx guys
The Repco Brabham V8 which won the 1966/67 world championship winning engine was based on the GM alloy block.
Longest running engine line to the best of my knowledge is the Jeep 4.0 that lasted until 2006 IIRC. There's a direct lineage of evolution going all the way back to early Nash. Nash was bought by AMC, who devolved the engine further and put it in everything most notably Jeeps. Then AMC went under selling Jeep to Chrysler who kept using it in Jeeps.
Bentley L series V8 1959-2019
Finally
As far as I know and I am not an expert in engine design, the AJ was in fact Ford derived but was quite a different engine after the changes. It was until not long ago built in a Ford plant in Wales.
Jason+ DTS - haven't really heard your thoughts on how the Japanese sports cars drive. Would like to hear what you think of Nissan S Chassis, Skylines, RX7s, Supras, Evos drive compared to your favorites
They've mentioned a few times that they know very little about Japanese cars. Derek less than Jason, if you tell them about the S110 they would be totally lost.
@@Daxter5500 they should have a guest in Dino Dalle Carbonare.
They’ve spoken a bit before about Jason flying to test drive and buy an early NSX and absolutely despising it a few years ago
@@FazedInferno yes and some of Jason with the Skyline family. However I'm willing to bet they wouldn't know the N Spec, V Spec, Nur and so on
Have always wanted to put the Rover police intercepted fuel injected v8 in a 2002, 60lbs lighter than the 4 banger… 3x the HP’s
An angry Portuguese mother would yell "Jason Maria!" or "Hyphen Maria!" Adding a Maria means you're in big trouble
Was that cast made by Mercury marine?
18:00 "I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water that make the freakin' blocks decay!"
Yes the buick 215? Ultimately became the rover V8 as they slowly up bored that motor until about 2004 to a 4.6 in the land rover discoverys. Its been said that the tooling wore out by that point and the cylinder liners they used on those blocks had less tolerances than early model rover V8s as well as the fact that allegedly the P38 range rovers of the same era got the "better" blocks than the disco's. I miss my 04 discovery 2 was an absolutely fantastic vehicle but they sold it in the US market with a 195* thermostat which was ridiculous and would run normally around 220s in traffic etc which was honestly at the higher end of what that engine should be running at I believe which combined with the whole (Dexcool) allegedly eating away at the head gaskets plus the over heating that caused the cylinder sleeves to slip also causing a ticking noise in the engine. Once I swapped over the 180* thermostat from the diesel european discovery model into the V8 and modified the front grille with a "Saudi grille" modification of mesh the car never had any cooling issues besides the expansion tank being plastic and the bleed valves being plastic (Thanks BMW).... Hopefully I will grab another discovery 2 at some point one of the greatest SUV designs by far in my opinion and they are DIRT CHEAP because everyone is scared of the maintenance albeit thats a bit justified. The drivetrain is robust and the 4 speed ZF auto is a tank as well as the LT230 transfer case.
That Mustang and his actions remind me of the "Ghostrider" videos from sweden long ago.
Most of my friends thought this guy some sort of a hero. While i have to say that guy had really good vehicle control on his bike, but that's it with positive things i can say. How he pased others and changed directions between cars often times i just found dangerous and stupid.
I am fully with you guys on this: It is important to know when it is safe to do stupid stuff behind the steering implement of a vehicle and to not endanger others in traffic.
The guy who passed you on the bridge is an asshole, but that right lane on the Richmond Bridge is unconscionably dangerous. I've used the right lane when it's open and come upon broken down cars multiple times. I've seen people driving normally in it when it's closed. The lights indicating if the lane is open are hard to see. It should either be open all the time or never again.
Can I get the name of the Rover book? I’d really like to read it
@TheCarmudgeonShow With the Honda tie-up for British Leyland. You missed one Rover V8 powered vehicle….the Honda Crossroad. A rebadged JDM Discovery.
it's only the BMW V8 diesel option in the new Range Rover, the other three engine options are Ingenium I6.
Intergalactic Binman did a wonderful video on "the tragic death of rover" if you're looking for a quick fire summary of Rover!
When I was in highschool I did a week of work experience at Rover in Birmingham. It was a bunch of war time sheds. Later on in college I did an exchange trip in Germany with BMW and visited the factory in Munich. The difference was laughable.
There’s a difference between risky and reckless.
Jason, any chance you would do a video on the holden commodore/Pontiac G8/ Chevy SS? I feel like it hasn’t gotten many mentions on the podcast or much coverage on RUclips. It’s just become accepted that it’s awesome but nobody really has good content out there for it.
Check out his motor trend ignition. He uploaded his period review of the Commodore
@@michaelking6596 yeah I’ve seen that one, it was just so long ago. I think it would be cool cause the cars are just so odd but they drive great. I think it would be a cool story cause they sold so many of them across the world as different models and badges but here in the states we just don’t really seem them much.
At the speed the Mustang was traveling even a double look might not have been sufficient.
Many many moons ago in the 90s o was driving to my grandmother’s for Thanksgiving on an old TX farm to market two lane road in my woefully under powered Dodge Omni trying to do the 55mph speed limit. There was a car in front of me that as doing 45. We crested a hill and then we were in a clear passing area where I could see forever in front of the other car. I checked my mirror, nothing there, and then switched lanes to pass. I had barely pulled even with the rear bumper of the other car when a white 240SX came flying around me on the left in the dirt shoulder, horn blowing and showering my car with rocks and debris. The guy had to have been doing at least 110+. He nearly lost it in the dirt, then corrected back on to the road catching air because the hard shoulder had a 1-2” drop off. I’m surprised he didn’t lose a tire or two. Nobody got hurt but I was incredibly lucky to not be dead.
"i don't care to have you fact-check me" lol
All great except Kaiser launched the Wagoneer in 1963, with IFS, power steering, an auto, and 4 doors, and it got the new AMC 327 in 65…
Jason - Peasants or pheasants?
DTS - Yes
Lol
I think a pre-lunch show would be interesting. I was thinking hangry Jason would be fun, but I think hangry Hyphen would be more interesting. There's a passion burning beneath the eyes of that demure 94/95yr old lady. I'm certain a little hunger discomfort would entice even more fire from Hyphen.
All you would see is me in cylinder deactivation mode to conserve fuel.
So what you need is Jason pre-lunch and you post-lunch. Jason seems like the kind of person who gets quite hangry.
best british v8 is daimler 2.5 smol hemi. fight me
Gentlemen -- Alfa Romeo. Cast aluminum blocks with sleeves. In the 1950's, if not earlier.
BMW engines? Fun Fact: the new Defender, that isn't actually a Defender, is the Ineos Grenadier. Guess what petrol and diesel engines are available with this fantastic vehicle...?
Absolute respect and love for the show and for you both, *but* would there be an argument for the Jeep Grand Wagoneer as the original SUV (says the long-time owner/restorer of an '87 FSJ ; -)? Not that either V8s are terribly great in their original (let alone their emissions-choked) versions...!
What part of Michigan did Jason live in to think everyone has a heavy Fargo, North Dakota / Wisconsin accent? lol
I am sure if you asked the Mustangs driver they would tell you they were driving safely . You speed they speed there is no difference, only the perception of risk.
Land rover being authentic...now the discovery looks like a big evoque
I think you handled the shitidiot in the ‘stang the correct way.
showing the video and sayin the license plate was epic !
I’m sure somebody in front of you may have called.
awesome show btw I listen it all the time you go boyeezze!
The difference between Jason and Derek and people like them doing extralegal activities on the road is that the risk is considered and minimized if possible. That mustang clearly has no consideration for anybody's safety. They will pull that stunt again without consideration.
Exactly! Also experience to inform their consideration of said risk. Both of them, as well as people like them who have been driving for years in tons and tons of different situations, so they have tons of experience to help them make informed decisions based on risk assessment and management…
What was so bad about a TR7?
Urgh... 1:47am Wendesday when this got uploaded... Urgh.... Just got back from the office and have to be back in at 8am.. and I'm going to have to stay up another hour to listen 😔
Oh yea buddy it’s Rover V8 hours
Rover sd1 engine and the metro 6r4 engine was engineered by the same man who went on to the Jordan F1 team. I don't know his name or the name of his son who worked at the same pizza restaurant as me over 30 years ago.
I thought the 6r4 engine was developed by TWR.
@@jt-hb8lh must have been who he was working for.
There had to be some serious changes to make the 3800. That’s a famously reliable, if boring, engine.
Also famously efficient, even while slaving away in a full size Buick. Still one of the best American V6's. Definitely not boring when they supercharged it, and hilarious when they turbo'd it.
@@dougrobinson8602 Yeah, I had a supercharged Buick Riviera. Handled like a boat but plenty of power for an early 90’s car.
In the UK smart motorways - variable hard shoulder lanes - have killed so many people the whole concept is under review.