Five Reasons Porsche Is Superior To Ferrari (But Do You Agree?)
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It’s the old saying “ Ferrari owners are proud about how few miles their car has done,
Porsche owners boast about how many miles their car has covered “ 😂😂
strong statement that sums it all up.
Very true, I bought a low mileage one and soon regretted it when I started seeing people with perfect examples far exceeding 100k miles😂
The whole concept of owning a car and then driving it as little as possible seems bizarre to me.
Unfortunately many a GT3 nowadays suffers the same fate.
@@tbasmwmc Yes, you're right, it's like working hard to have loads of money in the bank and never spending it to enjoy it, what's the point? I owned a Cayman as a daily for 10 years and I never worried about putting miles on the clock, it still drove and looked great till the sad day I sold it. I enjoyed every second of my ownership, best car I ever owned and probably ever will.
I’m a lifetime Porsche 911 freak- literally made the firm decision I’d own a 911 turbo when I was 16 yrs old (61 now)- my life goal became become financially secure enough to buy one- and I did at age 50. I’m now into a gt3 and - every time I get the itch to update I look at Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren. And then I go back to the Porsche dealer. Bottom line reasons: reliability, quality, timeless design, manual transmission, windshields you can see out of, and the ability to throw the car around at high revs endlessly with no fear of hurting the car.
Congrats on your success, this makes me smile!
Thought you would have made enough money with the rolling stones to get into a Porsche a bit sooner 😂
we sound like we are separated at birth... Now on my second 911,
My story is very similar to yours (albeit I’m 39), my dad is a lifelong Porschephile and my first car in HS was a guards red 1985 944, and being a poor student I could afford the $3500 price tag but not the upkeep, and thus took a summer job for a local Porsche master mechanic. He took me on a ride in a 911 Turbo, and I didn’t know a car could push you in your seat like that! Hooked! …and 23 years later I made my dream of owning a 911 come true with my 992 GTS!
I’d like to invite you to drive my 488 so that you can realise how far Ferrari have come along with daily drivability and reliability.
the head says porsche
the heart says ferrari
the bank balance says volvo
volvo it is
Imo volvo have been quietly producing the best looking cars on the road for a while, just as the estate car dies they have perfected it
@@alexjaybradythe V90 is gorgeous!
Good choice, the old ones will last forever.
Nothing wrong with a Volvo. Good cars
@@timprice5 Its sad they've stopped selling it here in the UK tbh
I’ve had 2 Ferraris, currently on my third Porsche (964). The Ferraris definitely get more attention, but good luck finding spares for anything over 15-20 years old. Porsche in contrast was able to order two new air cleaners for my 1956 356A - and they were exact matches to the original. Porsche seems committed to keeping its classic cars on the road forever. It’s part of the 911’s claim to be the best sports car ever made.
Porsche even offers upgraded radios for 930 turbos with Bluetooth and all that jazz, which fit right into the car without looking out of place like a cheap kennerton unit.
You gotta appreciate their commitment.
When it comes to maintenance costs and daily practicality you are right! But Ferrari provides just more emotional and design shape rewards.
They also offer stick to this day on Caymans and 911 atleast while Ferrari and Lamborghini threw true petrol heads by the wayside just to increasingly focus on rich status buying a-holes, who dont know how to drive and care only about specs and how easy to drive it is...
@@Kacpa2 It just amazes me that this is what you deduce from the video. Namely labeling those who prefer a modern day automatic like Richard Hammond a fake petrol head.
@Kacpa2 Ah such ignorance. Stop for a moment and ask yourself why so many high performance cars and highly skilled drivers choose to drive the two pedal cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren and yes, Porsche. They aren't automatics, BTW, they robotised manuals, with clutches and a manual gearbox. And why so many racecars use similar gearboxes. I am a lifelong car nut, a former racer and love my DSG car. I would not go back to an inferior manual.
@@declanpower2924 Becuase this segment started to focus solely about specsheets and acceleration/track times.
For actual enjoyable drivinf experience its not good at all. We lost moderate power manual higher end weekend toys from all those brands with extra crazier examples like Diablo or F355 at the top.
Same goes for gran touring cwrs like F456GT. World is all the poorer for lack choice caused by catering to track abd clout crowd.
I am fed up with people defending this as its moronic you just defend people not having a choice when all thise brands should offer manuals even if just for sake of very few wealthy enough enthusiasts who will choose driving experience over gloating how fast and expensive their car is.
@@jkliao6486 He is mellowing with age and after so many accidents probably preffers to drive automatic. I dont mean people like him either way, but majority of celebrities, "socialites" and social media/rich youtuber crowds who just buy it for clout and bling.
They reduce what used to be peak of enthusiast sportscar ladder into a stupid accessory or asset for "investment".
And all of them dont care abour driving experience or engaging with the car. They will nwver drive it to its limit or drive it period as it would reduce its value.
Its a far cry from old 911s, F355 and pretty much any older sports car no matter of its place on the pecking order from Celicas to Ferraris, we lost fun and truly engaging cars.
What we have left is mediocre at best due to part sharing like Gr86, cars with awful feel-less clutches, shifters, awful sounding turbo engines in case of all "hothatches" and electrobic powersteering and throttle that robbed enthusiasts of feel that was gauranteed even in many mkre pedestrain non-sportscar vehicles in 90s and prior.
Its a tragedy that there are so few cars left that give driver proper feedback and feel while still offering 3 pedals executed well, its literarily just 911 and Cayman, or boutique handbuilt cars lile caterham.
I bought a 981 2.7 Boxster manual. Had a lightened flywheel fitted along with GT3 slave cylinder and Cup 2's. It's mega. Spins up fast, sounds incredible and the handling is sublime. I've driven F12's, 458's, 911's and they can have too much power. If you can get over the macho effect, they are the best value money car you can buy if you want a driver focused experience.
could you give me a link for the parts ? :)
Cayman here! New to me 987.1 stock so far except suspension. To the gentleman needing a link for parts, use your search engine!
You @MM-xr6tz are a smart man🏎
Excellent film. The 911 - in all of its incarnations - is probably the most potentially rewarding car ever built. It requires a driver to understand, manage and utilise weight transfer to his or her advantage. It demands high levels of ability along with multiple skill sets to extract its performance. When you get it right, there is no more rewarding experience on 4 wheels. After Literally 1000’s of track day, test and race laps in 911’s, l still learn a little more each time that I strap myself into the driver’s seat. The 911 is a rubix cube of a car that never stops giving, no matter how skilled the driver is. In my opinion, it is a masterpiece of engineering
The main thing that pushed me towards Porsche over a Ferrari is having a service center in town instead of having to drive to the next state. I also appreciate that Porsche still puts manuals in new cars. My Carrera T is due to be delivered next month.
As a 911 4S (for winter) and 911 Turbo owner using them for daily driving and road trips, I really appretiate what these cars bring to every single drive. Driving them for over a decade and having pilled on over almost 1/2 a million kilometers ... I can say I seen the best and worst of owning these cars. I think the important part is really doing things for yourself (who cares about what others think ...)
All I can say is, these cars can run you a significant bill for maintenance, but they will keep on giving you great adventures and memories ... on top of the daily grins for decades. I see it as an investment in happiness.
I'd argue a Porsche is "the best car" you car you can actually use, i.e. go where you have to go, and park where you have to park.
I hope we get another video next week “why Porsche and Ferrari arent as good as you think”
After having the Ferrari video last week 😂
"Why you should ignore both of them and just buy a Hyundai" 😁
@@ApothecaryTerry Dacia
@@hoodwinker7932 I can already hear James May's 'Good news' in my head haha. Lovely.
Had a 981 Cayman S, one of the most underrated affordable sports cars IMO. Absolutely loved it, but got the chance to own a 991.1 Carrera S and it is a fantastic all round car. Perfect combination of a 100% useable daily driver and a proper sports car (the sports exhaust is one of the most intoxicating sounds ever!). It for sure gets looks when the sports exhaust is on, but not sure whether they are good or bad!
James, you have become one of the best if not the best car RUclipsr there is! Thoroughly enjoy almost every video of yours. Just wanted to leave that here. Wishing you the very best from the land of cars (Germany)! ;)
He is defo but but the best is Harry, sorry jay
@@Danny1282Hard to make a comparison really.
@@Danny1282 What about Driver 81 !!!! 😂😂😂
@@manix2796 Sorry, am I missing something here?
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" BMW E39 5 Series Airbag Light Reset"........................... The same fellow has at least 10 other RUclips channels, created over a 10 year stretch!!! around 9,000 videos in total.
"From the school run to the Nurburgring ring" - that's a great line!
Except it's not true. When my friend's almost-new GT2's lower wishbone snapped at Spa, Porsche denied that the GT2 (!) was track-capable.
I prefer cheese and onion crisps over salt and vinegar
I’ve wanted a 911 since I first saw an early Targa back when I was a kid in the early 70s. I’ve had a succession of Alfas, BMWs and more recently Audi RS Cars, the last one being my second RS6. I swapped it for a 991.1 Carrera 4S in September, and can honestly say I’m totally hooked. I daily drive it all over London and the South East and it put a smile on my face as it’s such a great place to be. I’m already planning an upgrade or maybe even a classic, but can’t see my life ever being without a 911 in it.
991.2 GTS purchased in part after your review. Really glad I did . Never fails to put a smile on my face. Both when I walk into the garage and on the road. Actually like my dealer. When I consider the brief flirtations I had with other sport cars at the time I realize that the things that I love about this car are the product of the evolutionary improvement of a great idea in the first place. Open comfortable cabin, great driver position , great ergonomics and view out , lovingly balanced sensorium between stirring sound track and ability to complete a 750km drive and still be enjoying the experience at the end all make this a car that I will keep and use. Did I mention the utter unflappability of the chassis despite the remarkable power on tap and the recurrent question that I ask myself as to how can the shifter feel on the 7 speed be so good in a car where the linkages have to be so long ? I guess there really is some Porsche magic.
Every mention of 991.2-generation 911 always gave me goosebumps. Mention 991.2 GT3 or Speedster, I'd be weak on the knee. A shotgun ride in a 992 GT3 around Sentul Circuit in Indonesia basically ruined other cars for me. I couldn't believe something road legal can take such abuse on racetrack without even breaking a sweat. Probably wasn't an exaggeration when they say 'Porsche, there is no substitute'.
I’ve always had a strange relationship with the idea of something being rare making it special and therefore being common making it somehow lesser. I love my Cayman and wish more people owned them, I tell people all the time how much fun it is.
Back when I owned my Mk6 GTI it was an amazingly common car in Australia (the GTI was the best selling Golf model), and nothing about that made it less special seeing them around all the time.
Also, in the thus far 3 years of owning my 2010 987, I taken it from only 55,000km to now 111,000km and have loved every damn moment of it.
Edit: there’s a comment down below asking what you would rather been seen in, and that’s exactly what I don’t get. Why do anything for someone else?
This is exactly my thinking. I have a 2006 Boxster S 3.2, and for the money I can't think of anything else that offers the character, performance and handling and value all in one handy package.
Will a 911 be quicker? Yes, but for an additional £15k for a similarly aged car.
Do I care what others think of it being the 'poor mans' porsche. Not one bit. It's a stunning car for very little money
It works the other way too. I own a Z4 coupe, which are rather rare, but nobody cares because it's just a z4 (despite feeling totally different to the convertibles). They're really cheap and good value but nobody wants them.
Oh well, more for me I guess.
@@darkchild130these cars that are still fairly common but special to a lot of people are the ones you want to hold onto. Z4 Coupe / 987 Cayman are fantastic examples. They may never be worth £100k+ but they’re always going to be respected and desirable to those in the know
Totally agree, although having said that, my Alpine is fairly rare on UK roads and seems to attract all sorts of attention. The fact that is is a hoot to drive though is the main point.
And the best part is you won’t care for any depreciation in value and you will drive it to your hearts content because you can afford to drive one of the best cars in the business of being sporty!
I agree...my dad has a 2014 boxster gts and after driving a 430 he said within minutes he preferred his porsche which brought me to the channel when he was buying it👍
Porsche were voted in a manufacturer's only poll as the best engineered make of them all.
Lamborghini, Mercedes et al almost certainly voted for them.... case rested.
Incidentally, i own a twin turbo'd 987 3.4S with 477bhp - it never fails to make me smile. 😁
The fact that Jay only needed about 20 minutes over 32 minutes Ferrari video says a lot!
Considered commenting on the previous video. But decided against it as I’ve never actually driven a Ferrari.
I would say though that I’ve been to many car events and everyone pretty much was cool regardless of what they were driving.
I’ve driven a Carrera GT by the way and it’s an amazing experience. The clutch takes some getting use to but once you do it’s outstanding (except in traffic).
And these videos are much better when you’re driving FWIW.
On my second 992 and the only thing I lust after is another one. Best car I’ve owned by a million miles
Porsches are beautiful and great sports cars ; Ferrari are sculptures and works of art
Porsches are the only real high end sports cars you can drive daily.
Anything else is just for show!
Can’t wait to get another one. Sold my 2007 Boxster S a few months ago and regret it every single day.
I was suspicious of owning a porsche but two years in and it is hard to see myself drive any other brand
Got a 986 Boxster S like the one in the video, Love it and the goal is to eventually have a 996/997 C4 parked next to it for all weather usability
I thinks ferrari is just on another level not just in comparison with porsche but with any other car brand in the world. I know most people hate their attitude but for me it's what make them stand out.
Good pair of videos, definitely Porsche for me..the real world cost of maintaining a Ferrari is terrifying ! 😄
981 GTS = the sweet spot
100% agree! Although if you include cost, I'd say a 981S perhaps beats it - especially since I honestly prefer them without the sports exhaust, the tone is much nicer. I'm also not sure PASM actually improves the car either. Very much nitpicking and semantics though, either an S or GTS is perfect Porsche for me. With less tyre noise, perhaps the perfect car...
Current 296 GTB owner and its a fabulous car, but I have owned a lot of Porsche sports cars and nothing beats the driver engagement of my 991.2 GT3 RS, a stupendous car with an amazing engine. Equally from real world fun factor and practicality hard to go past my 981 Cayman GTS, so good at everything with a wonderful soundtrack and right sized for most roads. Porsche build cars to be driven Ferrari build cars to be looked at.
First saw 911 in a club meeting at Brands Hatch 1968. Air cooled. As we left Brands saw another leaving rip up the road as it left. Dream car, with the German engineering reputation. Had to wait until now to get a 992.... Dream becomes reality. 👍
Porsche and Ferrari do manufacture cars that nobody needs but we all would like to own and drive. Each brand has its pro and cons. At the end of the day it comes up to the budget available and of course the taste for cars. On top there are many more brands that supply the same level of excitement on 4 wheels. I think we can discuss endlessly about this subject. But thank you for sharing your thoughts. 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊🇩🇪
Porsche has yet more advantages: 1) If you'd prefer to minimize attention (cops, thieves, neighbors), there are Porsche models/colors that blend in. 2) I live in Denver, so my 997.2tt's AWD+PSM with Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4's deals well with occasional snow/ice. 3) Porsche has more aftermarket tuning options. 4) There's a crowd of web contributors, and we can google answers. 5) Porsches generally provide better outward vision, which provides confidence.
On my 10th 911 in 20 years, all have been awesome.
Average new Ferrari is resold within a year. They’re toys you take out once in a while.
But every Porsche, even the GT’s can be street driven daily and maintained easily for at least 20,000 mile intervals.
My 9A1 engined Boxster has a lifetime timing chain and drive axles that last at least 100,000 miles. The rest is all minor and relatively inexpensive if you can turn a wrench and watch a YT video.
There are owners on forums reporting tracking their Porsches regularly with as much as 150,000 miles on them with no major problems. These cars are built to take it over the long haul.
Quite the emotional roller coaster you have put us on! Ha! I commented on the ‘Why Ferrari is Better’ video that you had really brought up some points that made me think! Porsche is ‘my brand.’ I have been so close to buying a few different ones. An ‘01 911 back 9 years ago. A few years ago, I drove each generation of the Boxster and loved them all! Even…gasp…the PDK 2015…. I test drove an ‘11 Cayenne right around when you bought yours. And in the last two weeks the 2019 Macan S. You have described the Porsche brand perfectly. It holds a position between the mainstream and the exotic. It’s accessible to a lot of people with varied price points and delivers an experience at each level. I do want to drive a Panamera but now I am a little less excited…but I knew I was going to feel that way already, if I’m being honest. James, thank you again for these videos!
Buy a Porsche, life is short
If you want reliability get a Toyota safety a Volvo style a Ferrari if you want all three get a Porsche.
If you were to ask my to go out and buy a brand new sports car now, I would go straight to the nearest Porsche dealership and buy a cayman gt4 or 911 of some form, but ask me to do the same for a car made between around 2000-2010 and I would go straight to the prancing horse. Ever since pininfarina left Ferrari, the new models have all left me somewhat cold
I've driven a 997 AWD and an F430 albeit on tracks. 997 could be a daily driver, F430 for weekends. 🥰🥰🥰
I tend to do galactic mileages so that balance would work for me. My actual daily driver is a Seat Leon 😂😂😂
Nowt wrong with the Leon. I've got a Porsche Boxster S and a B6 VW Passat estate with a diesel engine!
Both have their place. Tip run or long journey? Passat. Fun drive to work? Porsche.
Personally I thought the F430 is surprisingly comfortable, saying that as a 2009 Mondeo owner at 6'4 height. A 2019 Fiesta ST-Line I drove before as a company car was significantly more "back breaking" on the Autobahn at 170 kph as the Ferrari at 170 mph.
I haven't really tried a 997 yet (I have an order to drive a 997.1 GT3) but I don't think they're way better to daily unless you have kids or for fuel economy
986 boxster with a hardtop looks brill. At £5k I miss mine!
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Personally i think that over the decades Ferrari and Porsche brands and fans of each company, have learned to respect the lineage, the achievements and the well crafted cars of their respected "rivals" and the former rivals are nowadays more seen as competitive friends that push each other to newer heights.
I owned several Porsches 986 2.7 (RMS leak), 987 Cayman 3.4S (bore scoring), 997.1 3.8 (bore scoring) and a Cayenne diesel (coolant leak). Back in 2017 bought a California T (3.9) and traded it in last summer for a Portofino. In the Ferrari's I really feel driving something special again. That feeling was a bit lost with the Porsches.
I recently was in a very fortunate position to be able to buy either a Ferrari 458, 718 Spyder/GT4 or a 991.1 GT3. I scratched the GT4 and GT3 off as I found the Spyder a far more special car but my heart was still pushing for the 458. What stopped me from getting the 458 was just the daily drivability. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still worried for the same reasons when I park my 718 Spyder anywhere (I do not have a second car. Just one), but, however, had I purchased the Ferrari, I would have never stop thinking about where I’ve parked it. Porsches can still be a bit under the radar due to their popularity and volume but the Ferrari, I would just struggle to stop thinking about it.
I push my cars too and very frequently track them. Maintenance costs on the Ferrari were off putting too. What I would pay to maintain my Spyder would perhaps be double or nearly triple on the 458 (despite their known reliability)
It was a hard decision but I thought of the daily factor and frankly, the 718 Spyder is a fantastic car. I haven’t driven a 458 but a friend has owned both and said the Spyder is far more capable than the Ferrari but the Ferrari is more special (that V8 man. It’s glorious)
I ended up choosing brain over heart and I think that’s what most Porsche owners do when they’re in the position to get a Ferrari or a Porsche.
I hope one day I can have both of them as I find the Spyder simply irreplaceable (unless a nice dealership gives me a Spyder RS allocation 😂)
I have a 2023 Spyder. Totally agree. I will take my Spyder over ANY other car. Period.
I’ve owned my 996 for ten years and it’s a fantastic car , I work at a Porsche approved body shop and my car gets the best work possible and it looks like new and I have fantastic memories as I’ve taken it to Le Mans twice now including this year for the 100th anniversary so I won’t be parting with her ever now
In a perfect world we all would have huge bank balance and have one each... But it's rarely like that...
I own a 911 c2s (997) and it really is a fantastic car to drive... I can't say i have ever been drawn to owning a Ferrari whilst i had this dream of having a 911 for a very long time, as back as being 9 or 10 years old, when i went into a 911 (930) turbo targa one afternoon up a mountain in the Alsace region (France). The way the car overtook 6 cars going up the mountain as if they were standing still and the sheer acceleration thrilled me to bits. I can still remember the feeling now, age 47.5... In December 2022 that dream became reality and i don't regret it... I will be a Porsche fan forever... 😎♥️🎉
Porsche doesn't get mad at me when I modify my car haha. Ferrari on the other hand...
I think that having a car that doesn’t live in the repair 👨🔧 shop is the better choice lol trying to get my first Porsche one day but hopefully 🤞 my high mileage Audi tt mk2 vr6 will hold up till then 😊
Porsche = Volkswagen = Delusions of grandeur. That being said, they make great sports cars.
Follow the same logic you would have got Ferrari = Fiat.
@@LurchLures Apples to oranges. There was no Fiat DNA in Ferrari, it was purely ownership. Unlike Volkswagen Porsche. Also Fiat no longer owns Ferrari, and it was a short ownership period in Ferrari's history.
Nope, it would be Ferrari - Alfa Romeo
Unlike Ferrari, Porsche doesn't kick their costumer's balls.
For me it's a combination of A) The price of entry and (more importantly) ownership, B) The fact that I can park it on the street and it will generally be appreciated rather than keyed, and C) (which you alluded to, and which I think is underappreciated), the fact that you are likely to be able to buy *exactly* the car you want on the used market without waiting years for it to turn up. I might add D) Not looking like a dreadful showoff, but that's in the eye of the beholder, of course.
Porsche for LTR (long term relationship) works brilliantly as a daily driver. Reliable and high smiles per mile.
Nothing unfriendly from me. Thoroughly enjoyed this, Jay. I am in the midst of covid and all I want to do is get in my RS-60 and drive. Certainly don't have any interest getting in my wife's Altima, for sure. Before this Boxster I entered the Porsche circle with a 986.1 and was hooked. The $10,000 price was a great entry, but a few thousand dollars more was necessary to bring it up to snuff. More recently I had service on the 987.1 and asked to drive a 992 Carrrera S. That was a profound experience. Maybe too much power for this old man, but it sure was intoxicating.
The lengthy waiting list put my dad off buying a 355, so he ordered a 996 C4 cabrio with Nephrite green interior and full aero kit. We adored that car so much, it soon got a little sister, a pink 986 Boxster S. I would agree that Porsche is superior in many ways, most notably their colour choices and after sales service. Need a part from the 90’s, no problem! They have dedicated catalogues for classic model parts, which Ferrari doesn’t. Porsche are owner friendly cars and like an old Volvo or Merc, all built to last.
Great video. I’ll add this: nothing drives better at 7/10th or higher than a Porsche track car. Some cars accelerate faster, are flashier, but I can never get a giant smile off my face when I get into it. Currently own a 991.2 GT2RS and a 992 GT3 MR (Manthey) manual. Both are absolutely brilliant to drive. Whether it’s the GT3 in the right half of the tach or the GT2RS blasting you down a straight at eye watering speeds, they’re just brilliant. And the fact that Porsche will encourage track use and totally honor the warranty is amazing. Still want to add a Ferrari, but not by trading in one of these!
Owned Ferrari F355 F1 Spider 10 years, 928 14 years a 944 and two 911's and personally I've loved all of them currently only own a 911 for the last 10 years.
Most people don't even know that a Porsche can be much cheaper than a Ferrari - on 2 occasions people yelled "should have bought a Ferrari mate!" at my 981CS and my neighbour guessed it was worth £90k (which was more than the new and used values combined...). Interestingly, only one person suggested it was a baby Porsche, and that person drove a diesel Insignia, so I think we can safely ignore them 😄
On practicality/usability, I switched from a Cayman to a hot hatch and honestly, for anything but furniture, that's the one thing I find the hot hatch significantly worse for! Cayman boots are big and weirdly shaped, so shopping doesn't fall over. There are cubby holes perfect for carrying 6 bottles of wine/whisky too. Also, that 3.4L Cayman averaged 36.5mpg overall and regularly 47-48mpg on long runs. Other than a 308 GTi, I'm not sure any hot hatch can actually match that...
Literally the only downside I found to owning a Porsche was tyre noise. The lovely engine/exhaust sound being louder was a benefit of the complete lack of insulation, but seriously the stereo was useless above about 60 - I've driven quieter Westfields. If that wasn't an issue, I may not have sold it, at least for a very long time.
It's so strange people always forget the PORSCHE 928..! It paved the way for so many innovations in modern Porsches. If you want a different Porsche, the 928 is the one.
As a 2023 Spyder owner, I can honestly say I would keep the Spyder over ANY other car.
It’s funny if not unsurprising, my head nods to this video while my heart pounds watching the Ferrari video.
Of all the cars in the world, super-, hyper-, mega-, ultra-, whatever-cars, I would always choose the Porsche 911. It‘s the pinnacle of engineering and timeless beauty.
And then there’s the Ferrari F40; I would murder for this car.
I have been a Porsche nut since grammar school which was fostered by walking past the local Porsche dealership twice each day for 12 years. Seeing the latest cars in the lot out front and in the showroom ignited a passion that has only grown stronger over time. I’m 64 now and have owned many Porsches and other brands as well including Ferrari. But now I only own Porsches (with the exception of a Cadillac CT5 Blackwing 😜). The simple reason is because Porsche, for the most part, still puts function before form and the result is sheer driving nirvana!
Long ago (pre 9/11) I was working as an IT guy for a prop trading desk at a major bank. The senior traders all had Porsches. More junior traders tended to get Ferraris or Lamborghinis after a good year. I asked why. 'Simple - starts every time, I can see out, it goes over speed humps, and its smaller and fits through traffic restrictors'. As you say, easier to live with, and use as a daily driver.
I used to loathe Porsche. Was a big Audi man in my 20s and early 30s, q5s, rs4 b8, r8 v10plus… then I bought a 718 gt4. My world changed, the steering feel is like nothing else, made my r8 feel like a wooden cart. The noise, the lines is stunning. The build quality feels a level up. I’ve now also acquired a macan T, another superb handling piece of kit for such a big girl, feels super nimble. Will never go back now or leave the brand. As for a 911… not interested unless my allocation slot for a 992 gt3 comes through. Or I could get a low mile low owner 991.2 gt3. I’d never ditch a GT Porsche for anything other than another GT
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Even people who do not like 911’s like Jeremy Clarkson actually test drove them despite the funny repeated or even the worst part destroy one
Yet Porsche never said about him being banned to drive their brand of cars. Except i think the special Porsche’s like the 917K and the 918 Spyder
Porsche as a daily, Ferrari as a weekend car. Love both makes. As I like to say, Ferrari is the best sports car manufacturer in the world but Porsche in the 911 makes the best sports car in the world. Be happy we have them now as it don’t look good down the road. Great video!
Potentially controversial statement: the 911 isn't the best sports car in the world, since it's not even the best sports car from Porsche! Not because it's not good though, just because it's really a GT at this point - it's bigger, comfier, more practical and more refined than basically anything badged as a GT for most of history. As a sports car, for most drivers on a public road it doesn't have the playful nature of a Cayman - which I'd suggest is actually the best sports car, although I'd take a 981CS/GTS over any 718.
Fair enough, if one applies the traditional definition of a sports car @@ApothecaryTerry
@@paulbugoni2846 It's definitely semantics, I just feel like if I want a "sports car" then a 911 is perhaps too compromised now. Admittedly, it's a compromise I'm sure many of us would happily take!
Need to test drive one when I next change cars, all comes down to whether it has the GT refinement too - Cayman road noise is just horrific (but otherwise a 981S/GTS is still almost my perfect car).
I have owned a 1982 911 coupe for over 20 years now and the rawness of it to me is it’s biggest appeal-it’s a real analog car. Agree that the newer cars are more refined but apparently that’s what customers want. Id still like to pick up a Boxster.@@ApothecaryTerry
@@paulbugoni2846 I'd love to have a go in an older 911 at some point, I drove a 997 on track but it was in the wet on knackered tyres so left a bad impression. Can only imagine how nice the steering on your 911 is!
I think perhaps because the Cayman/Boxster filled the typical sports car slot in the lineup, the 911 was made more GT-like to keep them differentiated. Got to admit I'm definitely someone who prefers that in theory, although with the turbos on all engines now, the sound isn't great so I'd want them to be more refined really- although I'll still be considering a 992S for my next car.
I would have preferred a Porshe 911 from the 80's, which has been upgraded with newer technology, to work a little better for everyday driving.
Its all depends on the mechanics who deal with it and the down to earth attitude of Porsche garages
As owners of these fine automobiles will tell you, Each of these marques are superb. Both can excite and give you the glow of the pride of ownership, and you can feel the frustration too. In the real world, all that matters is to enjoy the driving, regardless of badge on the bonnet. They are truly worthy of our undying devotion.
I have a 991 C2S that I bought 8 years ago. 115000 KM on it now. No issues. I also track it all the time. I have several other cars, but the 911 is such a great go to sports car for doing just about anything
I hope one day I will be in a position to afford both of them, BUT if I can only have one, I'm afraid I still have to go with Ferrari. You do make quite the compelling case though.
Porsche: it's the smart man's Ferrari.
Like yourself, I've owned both. By 2020 I'd owned 6 Porsches of all descriptions including 991.2 C2S to a Cayenne S diesel, before deciding to dip my toe into Ferrari ownership (California T, quickly followed by a 11k miler 2015 F12). The love affair with the F12 sadly didn't last long before things started failing.. A defective flappy paddle module was detected during a routine inspection after just 3 months of ownership.. I didn't notice any issues using the paddles at the time and it was a total surprise to me, but that'll be £3500 thank you.. Not covered under their New Power warranty. Then it would drop out of gear with no warning.. which meant it spent 20% of the time I had it at the dealer. I still managed 3.5k miles in the year I had it though. I'm experienced enough to know that things can and do go wrong with cars and some are luckier than others, but there is a definite air of fragility about Ferrari. I still lust after a Ferrari, but I've been spoiled by Porsche reliability and usability. I recently purchased a low mileage used Macan Turbo as a daily which is brilliant, and am currently waiting for a 992 GT3 Touring to arrive in January. Will the GT3 feel as 'special' as the F12? No... but I'll be able to use it with a greater degree of confidence.
Lucky you have the money.
I’d personally say that I don’t know about the GT3 not being as special as the F12. Sure, the F12 has that arousingly soul-stirring V12, but a F6 full tilt at 9k RPMs is a thing of flaring specialty and joy.
@@rahulmandala4930 it's the theatre..the sense of occasion, and as a place to sit, the F12 is just on another level. An F12 on song is unlike anything else. I am hoping the GT3 gets close. My recently departed Huracan EVO rwd made an incredible noise too, but it wasn't a match for the F12.
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I had the sickening experience of actually quite liking a Panamera recently, green over tan, wagon body, hybrid drive. It was lovely and even looked quite good now im questioning everything.
Your partners green fried egg boxter is just lovely btw. Off the browse the classifieds and dream..
The Sport Turismo is a lovely car. I drove a 4S e-Hybrid (the 560hp one) and I'd say it's more fun to drive than James suggests - I'd certainly put it ahead of the Macan GTS I drove (never tried a Cayenne). That said, compared to other SUVs, the Macan was fun, whereas compared to other fast saloons/estates, the Panamera doesn't stand out much, so as a relative thing I can see where James is coming from.
Personally, I'd love to buy the car I drove (had it as a courtesy car!), but it was £130k (which I don't have) and there are £30k cars that aren't quite as fast, practical or well-equipped, but are still very good in all those ways plus subjectively better in terms of handling and luxury. The 4S, even as a plug-in hybrid, was also one of the most hilariously uneconomical cars I've been in. In full eco mode, unless you have the battery charged to start with, 30mpg anywhere is a pipe dream - I've had more from an F13 M6 (literally the only good thing I have to say about that M6 🤣)
Go ahead and test drive it. I would love to own a Panamera, it’s so much better looking than a Cayenne but I really did not like the driving of it. That 2023 Panamera 4S felt like a huge barge and not nimble to me. Drove a 2023 Cayenne GTS and the chassis was much better and agile which I did not expect at all! I am with James in his assessment of driving characteristics of Panamera vs Cayenne. I talked to other people who drove both and the felt the same.
@@lukeagostini5487 Having now seen a few people support the comment about the Cayenne compared to the Panamera, I feel like I will need to give a Cayenne go! I hate SUVs on principle, but a good car is a good car...
Out of interest, have you tried a Macan? I tested a 2021 GTS this year and found it...meh. Exactly what James said about the Panamera really - very competent, but I didn't smile once. I've ignored the Cayenne based on assumption it'd drive like a bigger Macan. Size and practicality are totally irrelevant to me, but I live near some great roads and do motorway miles. Just bought a hot hatch, but genuinely intrigued by this discussion now!
@@ApothecaryTerry have not driven a Macan but heard very good thing about it. Biggest concern for me is rear seats legroom which makes the Macan a difficult proposition for my needs :-(
@@lukeagostini5487 I didn't actually look at the rear seats in the Macan, just assumed they'd be decent since it's a fairly big car! To be fair, going from a Cayman anything has big rear seats though 😄 Guessing if you're quite tall as a driver especially though, that's a significant issue. I'm only 6ft/1.83m but have weirdly long legs so I basically just assume any car I buy is at most a 3-seater...
Side note- I also have short arms, so I'm basically a T-Rex (with smaller teeth, bigger brain is questionable). I literally can't buy an F-Type because I'm either too close to the pedals or can't reach the wheel 😆 That's 1 thing Porsche do better than any other brand I know of!
Never driven a Ferrari, I've owned a Boxster and a 911 Carrera 4.
I'd have a 911 GT3 RS over anything on sale.
Had a couple of Porsches; just never liked them. Not because they had costly faults; in fact both were pretty reliable. They were noisy! And whilst I love speed and power, I want them delivered in whisper quietness. I need 4 doors, yet even the Panamara was too noisy for me. I've had Ferraris too, same problem, although the noise is nicer.
A Rolls Royce would be over-egging it and Jaguars are just not what they once were. A big engined BMW or Mercedes-Benz you'd think would fit the bill, but no, for lots of reasons.
I solved the problem by buying a used Lexus GS300 SE-L - and after letting my local Lexus dealer loose on it, I now have a totally reliable, whisper quiet, 4 door lounge on wheels with a top speed to scare the bejeezus out of most people! It's surprisingly fuel efficient too; and when I go to "Simply Saugages" track days, most of what's there ends up behind me! I'm happy; love your channel.
I consider myself a Porsche guy having a 73 911 hotrod with a hot 73 rs engine, 964 c2, and a highly modified 7.2 gt3 track car. The 7.2 gt3 was sold a few years ago to make way for a 430 scud while the aircooled cars remain. The 7.2 gt3 imo was a better all around car in terms of performance, fit and finish, reliability, and maintenance. But, the gt3 did not raise the hairs on the back of my neck like the scud. Despite the Scuds flaws, it has that X factor the gt3 lacked for street driving. But the gt3 was an absolute machine on track whereas the scud would throw faults after 3-4 fast laps
If Money was no object, i'd have both. But the Porsche would be so much easier/reliable to own.
Ferreri's bought new are either part of a collection or moved on before 20k miles to avoid big bills.
Ferrari is better if you want a flashy car that both feels special and makes you feel special, which you plan to only use occasionally. Porsche is better if you want a car with tons of accessible performance that you can, should, and will want to use everyday for many many miles.
You can, but almost definitely won't put many miles on a Ferrari. You can, and almost definitely will, put many miles on a Porsche
The panamera has never appealed to me at all and I’m surprised they still make it, but I’m glad they do. I feel almost duty bound to buy one to see if I can figure it out and then if warranted shine some love on them.
Would love to see you do that 👍
They are good cars and a great drive aka (MCG)
the new ones are decent
Ferrari are garage queens! Porsche you can take to the supermarket every day. Depends what you want out of a car, both give you warm fuzzies in ways a Hyundai just won’t. I love both, but Porsche wins on usability, which means you can use and enjoy it more - take the long way back from the supermarket.
More than two and a half decades ago, Nicole Galarneau told me "Porsches are like children; you won't understand until you've had one." She was right.
My First Porsche was in 94 with a new 928 GTS 4.. and after 80k glorious miles the 928 was replaced in 97 with a new 993 C4S, had a love-hate relationship coming from the ultimate lazy tourer 928 and missing the power, changed in 2001 to a 996 Turbo, soon realised this was a license looser with every turn of the key...started a new business so something had to go...after many years in various MB, in 2012 got a 991 C4S, then a 991.2 GTS..to my present 992 GTS C4...The best thing in all those ownerships, not a single problem apart from the rising Main dealer servicing costs. I will continue to buy Porsches till my licence is taken away.
Ferrari F430 in 2008 was last manual stick shift. Califirnia is DCT only at least in USA models.
I'm always amused by Ferrari etc running reports that seem to boil down to spending about £10 a mile on maintenance where Porsche seem to be just in line with any other mainstream, high-end manufacturer in terms of service schedule and costs. I'm allergic to the idea of pricing stuff to simply empty well-off owners' pockets so I'd have a Porsche any day of the week. I've a horrible feeling that even if I won the lottery I'd still maintain the same mindset!
Make a video on why owning a Mercedes is better then owning Porsche or Ferrari
When my numbers come up I will be heading to the Porsche dealers. I owned a couple of Italian bikes and what I know about auto electrics was learned in that ownership.
I have a theory: Italian engineers get together at 8 on a Monday morning, fortified by espresso and biscotti they design a superb engine and chassis. They then go for a 6 hour lunch break and its left to the cleaner to design the electrics.
It’s the ring for me, you will see an amarda of Porsche being driven hard, a Ferrari is a rare sight
It’s not about being superior, it’s about the experience and that’s something Porsche will never understand and never accomplish.
My heart says Ferrari - the looks the sound - my heart says for a daily driver (my requirement) a 911.
I have to agree regarding the Cayenne vs Panamera. The Panamera is an amazing car, but I always get more pleasure and more fun driving the Cayenne. Which is my favourite of all the Porsches by the way.
I dont think I can ever afford to buy a Ferrari. If I could would I? Probably not. Ferrari is more about owning than driving. It is art. Porsche is more about driving. Long life, uphills and downs have made me quite rational and thus I drive a 996, mostly on B-roads.
I dont need more performance and the handling is amazing. 911 is the most fun car Ive ever driven. It is very very very rewarding car to drive and the cost side (w 996) is manageable. Ive done a lot on the car and it has been a pleasure. It is quite an easy car to maintain despite the engine bay being quite compromized in accessibility. Yet, you can tell the designers have spent time in the paddock changing this and that because everything is relatively easy to maintain and service. While working on the car you get the feeling someone has thought about this situation and not just assembly line fluidness.
Though I have to say not everything is rose garden. I think many of the castings are not quite of the level you’d expect. Fortunately my car has been very reliable (knock knock). It has been serviced pedantically, 98% by myself. And I have Bilstein B16 kit, X51 oil system, three sets of tyres, aux hi-beams and some good CDs. I set the car differently for winter vs. summer. But all and all the the joy/cost-ratio is very favorable. When it is blue sky in the summer and you take the small roads to a far away beach side coffee shop, life just feels so good. And the driving part makes me forget all the worries. Perhaps my guitars can do the same to some extent. In some ways it is escapism and Im sure that feeling can be accomplished with a Ferrari, BMW M3, a MkI Escort, or anything good that has required some effort to get fulfilled as a dream. But I’d still say, having driven many cars, that 911 gives the most joy, Fahrspass. Though, I’d really like to have a go in the retro Alpine A110. On paper it looks magic, better than 911, but maybe not in practise?
I’ve had much luck to have owned Porsche and Ferrari. I owned two Porsche’s and then finally graduated to a Ferrari F430 60th Anniversary. As much as I loved my previous Porsche’s, I will only buy Ferrari from here on. Also owned a Aston Martin w/ Twin Turbo AMG V8 but it still couldn’t compete with a Ferrari. My next Ferrari will be the 458. I had the opportunity to drive a 2021 Ferrari F8 and it was amazing but not wild like a 430 or 458. I prefer wild 🤪
I’ve a friend with lots of ‘nice’ cars: he’ll happily use his Carrera GT to get groceries from the local Sainsburys.
Meanwhile, my wife loves her 986S and we both love our 997S and 964 Carrera 2. All different, all good fun.
Porsche, no contest.
It starts and ends with attainability. I can feasibly afford an older 911 once I get some house remodelling out of the way, and the maintenance costs won't ruin me. I can say to my kid with a straight face, "if you study and work hard and get a good job, you can eventually afford one". I have friends, colleagues and neighbours who own Porsches (neighbour three doors down owns a lovely silver 987, I can recognise when he's setting off from the exhaust note alone, it's distinct from the other neighbour's M4). There's always someone in my social circle I can speak to about them.
None of this is true for a Ferrari. Neither me nor my kid are ever likely to afford one, short of winning the lottery or becoming successful in business. The maintenance costs alone would be a struggle. I don't know *anyone* who owns one. If I'll probably never get to own one, my interest in them is going to be extremely limited.
You can drive to the racetrack in a Ferrari, but if you want to drive back you take a Porsche
I’ve never driven a Porsche or Ferrari (yet). In high school it was between a BB512 or 930 Turbo for my fave. I think looking back on those now, the Porsche would be my pick.
There is one other thing about Porsche, particularly the 911; it's THE benchmark. If a car maker produces a sports car within the price range of a 911, it will be compared to the 911. Ferrari, Masserati, BMW, Audi, Lambo, Lotus... All of them have to prove their metal against the 911. Even the 911 has to prove itself against the 911! And you know your product is something special when literally everything else gets compared to it.
I, like many, enjoy other automotive channels, and CarWow for about a year had a silver Turbo S that they used all the time. I'm pretty sure it was the same car (Or least identical spec) and it pounded up and down those drag races over and over, it launched perfectly every time, never went wrong and put in performances that should have been way beyond what it's figures said. It constantly threw up surprises and the comment was always "Man that Porsche is bloody fast".
And for me, that sums up what Porsche is; yes, it could be called 'common', but still devastatingly fast and special