Apparently, the mantis that "already threw it's weapon" is actually suppose to be like that! Sonic CD's time travel mechanic works on enemies as well - specifically, badniks in the past will always be in perfect condition, present badniks will be in *mostly* good condition, and most future badniks won't be working. The more you know, correct me if I'm wrong on any details.
In the final fever there’s no actual badniks. Sorry meant there’s no badniks for the first part of metallic madness the second part your forced to fight them even if you in the good future
“Act 2 is just screaming ‘Hey, I’m just like Scrap Brain Act 2!’” Fun fact, all of the Sonic CD rounds except Wacky Workbench are arguable just more colorful versions of Sonic 1 stages. Green Hill -> Palmtree Panic Marble -> Quartz Quadrant Spring Yard -> Collision Chaos Labyrinth -> Tidal Tempest Star Light -> Stardust Speedway Scrap Brain -> Metallic Madness
Honestly, your rule about it being okay to defeat bosses makes me think that it's okay to defeat those three lightning bug boys. That's a pretty clear-cut mini-boss fight, even if the bosses in question are just ordinary badniks. Having said that, I appreciate the dedication to an unimpeachable stance! Good luck on the next one.
You know what's weird about the platform stilts? They appear in Mania but not in Metallic Madness, even though it appears as well. They were put in Lava Reef instead. That's not the only mechanic from Metallic Madness that got moved to a different Zone either, the multidirectional tubes were used in Chemical Plant instead.
@@comicfan1324So if we used that logic of yours . The enemies you have to beat to unlock a room in Sonic Rush games count as a type of a boss ? Man , you fell of .
If those badniks are required to face the boss no matter what, then it should be possible because they aren’t normal enemies that just give points and spawn flowers, they are a part of the boss, so by all means it IS possible
You’re right, about the pc version. It is possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a badnik, just not for the pc version. So you should have said: “is it possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a single badnik? Yes, but only if you have the original for Sega cd.”
Well the PC version is the one released in 1996, so it's a direct port of the Sega CD original, with some performance improvements. That's why the phasing through wall glitch still works.
You may be able to trigger the boss spawn through manipulating the trigger itself. One thing to mention, is that the boss spawn is linked to the door, so if you can open the door without killing the enemies you could fight the boss (I'm pretty sure) You could maybe manipulate the game into thinking YOUR death is the enemy's death therefore the door opens the next time you go to it. This is all just a theory tho.
In sonic CD if you run at max speed running into a badnick in any way defeats it even if you didn't attack it so you must have changed to maximum speed when you damage boosted
@@morgankasper5227 Dude, it says CAN he, not he WILL. Not everything it possible. (Also the video may be bad in your opinion, but it's not as bad as your spelling).
Some people might argue that Metal Sonic counts as a badnik but if you think about it. Metal slams itself into the wall and is defeated from the impact.
I just did this challenge and it is EXTREMELY easy besides the impossible room. Even wacky workbench isn't too bad if you stay low and jump between platforms. Also you can just jump out of the ice from the ww air vents without taking damage, making them very useful.
Another one that's completely impossible: Sonic Heroes, Hero Story/True Ending. Maniac Mansion has a segment where Sonic has to use his homing attack across several enemies to cross a bottomless pit.
Question: Do you prefer the US or JP soundtrack? For this video, the music switches. You used the JP music for background music in Palmtree Panic, and the JP good future music for Collision Chaos, but Tidal Tempest and Quartz Quadrant have their US counterparts for background music and so forth.
I like both, but I prefer the Japanese soundtrack. My choices for music in the video is just picking my favorites from both soundtracks, or picking something that fits that part of the video.
One other thing you didn't seem to realize about Sonic CD's mechanics is that you can avoid taking damage from the freezers in Wacky Workbench simply by timing a jump right when the ice block you're stuck in hits the ground. Not sure if that would've made it easier to run through this challenge, but it's worth knowing none-the-less.
Yeah... no. If you're not doing this challenge, you can defeat enemies or damage boost. The only reason that I had problems with Metropolis was because of Tails, with the challenge.
well im not really surprised you got this far. tbh I was surprised how the run ended. I haven't seen a playthrough of this game before so I didn't know about those 3 enemys and I thought you would beable to make it to the end. also sence you were at the end of the game you didn't have to play any more to find the minimum number of enemys you had to destroy@@GottaBeFrank
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Apparently, the mantis that "already threw it's weapon" is actually suppose to be like that!
Sonic CD's time travel mechanic works on enemies as well - specifically, badniks in the past will always be in perfect condition, present badniks will be in *mostly* good condition, and most future badniks won't be working.
The more you know, correct me if I'm wrong on any details.
You are very correct!
For me I think in future, there should different locations for badniks and they be slightly more powerful
It is GMC but future sonic busted them up in the present destroying parts of them making their condition worst
Go to the first place for a long time to get a job and the other hand
In the final fever there’s no actual badniks. Sorry meant there’s no badniks for the first part of metallic madness the second part your forced to fight them even if you in the good future
“Act 2 is just screaming ‘Hey, I’m just like Scrap Brain Act 2!’”
Fun fact, all of the Sonic CD rounds except Wacky Workbench are arguable just more colorful versions of Sonic 1 stages.
Green Hill -> Palmtree Panic
Marble -> Quartz Quadrant
Spring Yard -> Collision Chaos
Labyrinth -> Tidal Tempest
Star Light -> Stardust Speedway
Scrap Brain -> Metallic Madness
They are derived from Sonic 1, but still find a way to stand out, visually. I think it's great.
GHZ- PPZ
MZ- R2(?)
SYZ-CCZ
LZ-TTZ
SLZ-SSZ
SBZ-MMZ
Quartz Quadrant is more like mystic cave, R2 would be marble
Wacky Workbench is Spring Yard on steroids
About that is the words are like metalic madness 2 m's
Honestly, your rule about it being okay to defeat bosses makes me think that it's okay to defeat those three lightning bug boys. That's a pretty clear-cut mini-boss fight, even if the bosses in question are just ordinary badniks. Having said that, I appreciate the dedication to an unimpeachable stance! Good luck on the next one.
Yea it’s a mini boss
… hmm. Food for thought.
"I gave up and fell onto some spikes." Basically me whenever things don't go my way.
Eyyy good to see this out!
Yeah. Now I need to go into hiding before the Sonic 3 requests appear... too late.
Do sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles separate
@@UltimateHorrorGuy - Why? He may as well do them together. Especially as that was how the game was originally intended.
Well that is a good point
And I've noticed I'm surrounded by my fav youtubers
also dont worry folks, if you get all stones, its still a good ending!
I got a rock outside my house, do I win?
@Ryan Rohlfs yes
@Ryan Rohlfs but I GOT A ALL TIME ROCKS I TAPED CLOCKS ON MY 7 ROCKS AND IM SIRE I WON
Ryan Rohlfs Someawesomechicken was making a joke
You can beat the game without defeating a badnik because you said you need to defeat the bosses I say the Metallic Madness Boss is a boss
Yes finally!
Also tip for Sonic mania without defeating a badnick. Use the partner clip for encore mode in the metal sonic fight phase 1
We burn it to the test!
Billehbawb already did that the Lowest Score Challenge video
Stardust Speedway Act 1????
@@raproze sssslllhusutuxjyhdhrjdjtjuzjfpppppsotiisjtjdfj
@@raproze stardust speedway zone act 2
That's devistating, literally the second last room of the entire game...
14:29 Labyrinth zone, scrap brain zone act 3, and metropolis zone explained in one sentence
Sandoplis zone 2 marble garden
@@Persac7 carnival night*
@@Persac7Keep Marble Garden out of this !
@@Persac7 marble garden is
easy
@@bovaworld9529 that's also easy
You know what's weird about the platform stilts? They appear in Mania but not in Metallic Madness, even though it appears as well. They were put in Lava Reef instead. That's not the only mechanic from Metallic Madness that got moved to a different Zone either, the multidirectional tubes were used in Chemical Plant instead.
Sonic cd true pacifist path
They’re already at the surface
And bad ending
This is actually the sonic true genocide
Oh yeah. If you go fast enough before time traveling, you are invincible.
12:56 Personally I always saw this as a mini-boss
I usually call it a mini-boss if the music changes for the fight.
@Knuckles Channel 3 & Knuckles
Good point: But I think if killing an enemy is the only to unlock a room, I’d still consider that a mini-boss.
I was wondering what u do there is thought it was dodge and wait
But it was sanic fucks up more enemy's but it's a mini boss
@@GottaBeFrank i have a question. why are you & garrolus64 called luckycoin?
@@comicfan1324So if we used that logic of yours .
The enemies you have to beat to unlock a room in Sonic Rush games count as a type of a boss ?
Man , you fell of .
If those badniks are required to face the boss no matter what, then it should be possible because they aren’t normal enemies that just give points and spawn flowers, they are a part of the boss, so by all means it IS possible
4:57 Picture taken moments before disaster
The quartz rock actually fell on the snail and killed it, and you triggered the rovk to fall. Now you have to restart.
s/
12:55 Rip
Me: *makes a really bad joke!*
Everyone around me’s thoughts: 14:29
Relatable comment.
Lol
You’re right, about the pc version. It is possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a badnik, just not for the pc version. So you should have said: “is it possible to beat sonic cd without defeating a single badnik? Yes, but only if you have the original for Sega cd.”
Well the PC version is the one released in 1996, so it's a direct port of the Sega CD original, with some performance improvements. That's why the phasing through wall glitch still works.
Aw shit, here we go again
Worst place in the world, Rolling Heights Ballas country.
I ain't represented Grove Street in 5 years
But the Ballas won't give a shit
*gets in bike*
You may be able to trigger the boss spawn through manipulating the trigger itself. One thing to mention, is that the boss spawn is linked to the door, so if you can open the door without killing the enemies you could fight the boss (I'm pretty sure)
You could maybe manipulate the game into thinking YOUR death is the enemy's death therefore the door opens the next time you go to it. This is all just a theory tho.
A GAME THEORY!!! :D
Dang,you almost finish the game but because of that stupid trio badnik,you fail.
Well,next challenge,sonic 3&K & sonic mania plus.
Do your best man.
Sonic mania would impossible cuz you must defeat the silver sonics
@@Al-AmeenAdewunmi In Sonic Mania he does. It's the little badniks that Metal Sonic throw at you.
they are part of the miniboss so they dont count
Thanks for covering this game happy to see it get covered in this challenge can't wait to see what other games will get covered in this challenge
12:55 That moment when you realize you have to defeat 3 badniks to make the door open to go to the final boss
In sonic CD if you run at max speed running into a badnick in any way defeats it even if you didn't attack it so you must have changed to maximum speed when you damage boosted
5:32
Did someone say springtrap?
Sonic CD is actually pretty underrated.
I didn't know Sonic Mania took so many sprites from CD and of course edited them so they're more Mania like until this video.
i think i requested this? im not sure but this is awesome!
The lightning bugs were obviously a mini boss
rip, Great video.
(You may be right, the person who designed that level is a-)
no its horible video cause he failed and tahts unrealistic
@@morgankasper5227 Dude, it says CAN he, not he WILL. Not everything it possible. (Also the video may be bad in your opinion, but it's not as bad as your spelling).
a bad person
Whoever designed every casino/carnival levels are a-.
4:13 Yes perhaps you did hit a badnik just pause at the right time.
When I'm not sure, I look at the score when I start each attempt, then look when I need to. If it changes during the level, then I know to restart.
@@GottaBeFrank well i tried doing the game without doing anything i just jumped and i got to the end somehow
I have an idea! Can you beat (Sonic game of your choice) while defeating every badnik?
Some people might argue that Metal Sonic counts as a badnik but if you think about it. Metal slams itself into the wall and is defeated from the impact.
All zones I know that have purple juice:tidal tempest bad future,aquatic ruin bad future
Having those three badniks right before the final boss of the game is still the most evil thing Robotnik has ever done.
Me: *reads title*
Also me: bruh in metallic madness zone 3 you have to defeat a badnik to continue
wow, the robot firefly badniks sure have a creative name !
hotaru literal means firefly in japanese, sega got lazy 😔
Still better than Motobug. A bug with a motor on it.
I just did this challenge and it is EXTREMELY easy besides the impossible room. Even wacky workbench isn't too bad if you stay low and jump between platforms.
Also you can just jump out of the ice from the ww air vents without taking damage, making them very useful.
My good sir, I take personal offense that you called it an unprettier instead of a killswitch
Same move, different name.
@@GottaBeFrank I know, I'm joking😂 Did you see All Out last night?
Yeah. It was pretty good. The 2nd half of the show was amazing!
12:57
Hotaru: "I'ma end this man's whole career."
Another one that's completely impossible: Sonic Heroes, Hero Story/True Ending. Maniac Mansion has a segment where Sonic has to use his homing attack across several enemies to cross a bottomless pit.
9:42 and there’s a badnik flying In the tunnel and I destroyed it
It was a hotaru
Question: Do you prefer the US or JP soundtrack? For this video, the music switches. You used the JP music for background music in Palmtree Panic, and the JP good future music for Collision Chaos, but Tidal Tempest and Quartz Quadrant have their US counterparts for background music and so forth.
I like both, but I prefer the Japanese soundtrack. My choices for music in the video is just picking my favorites from both soundtracks, or picking something that fits that part of the video.
@@GottaBeFrank I didn't expect a reply this fast, but that makes sense. I prefer the JP soundtrack too.
@@GottaBeFrank i prefer the us soundtrack for stardust speedway good future
You're a true Sonic fan, because you know every enemies' names.
Him: Windows 95 edition.
My mother when I was a kid: ThAt'S aInChEInT
4:43 make sure you pause before you press the time stamp
1:11 this is the first time I have ever seen the save screen of a version of sonic cd that isn't the 2011 remaster...
Yeah. It really shows its age.
Do Sonic 3 And Knuckles Without Killing A Badnik
E did it
I recently did my first good ending run for Sonic CD and I was going for robot generators and, long story short, I hate wacky workbench as well
It is not a fun zone.
Wacky Workbench is definitely the worst zone, especially act one
6:20
*what the f happened to the floor*
When will you do sonic mania?
FINALLY A NEW NOT DEFEATING A BADNIK VIDEO YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Will sonic 3 be sonic 3 and knuckles?
Haven't decided yet.
One other thing you didn't seem to realize about Sonic CD's mechanics is that you can avoid taking damage from the freezers in Wacky Workbench simply by timing a jump right when the ice block you're stuck in hits the ground. Not sure if that would've made it easier to run through this challenge, but it's worth knowing none-the-less.
Oh shit, that's how that works? I thought it was based on how far you fell.
or you could just mash the button
It feel like a troll when you have to defeat three badniks before proceed to fight final boss in the game
Knuckles gets 3 points and Eggman gets 1 point
A "heated" battle with Dr. Eggman. I see what you did there.
😁
Mannnnn this thing needs more likes
1:28 and here I thought you can cheat. Though you through it all
I guess you could say you... Worked that sucker to death.
Creepy sonic be like:
Wait. You dont defeating badink?
Are you gonna attempt the 8-bit version of Sonic the Hedgehog 2?
I've considered the 8 bit games before. Maybe not Sonic 2 lol
Maybe I will try it.
Knuckles Channel 3 & Knuckles why not sonic 2? That’s the only 8 bit game with actual badniks.
The games I've played, so far, I've called them all badniks. I might stick with that name, even if they aren't referred to by that name.
Knuckles Channel 3 & Knuckles which game is next?
Spring traps: All your attempt are belong to us
The long awaited sequel
12:55 NOOOOOOOOOO
Blake Gardner Yeah I HATE The Way He Used USA GAME OVER
Random guy: u fat
Me:
Guy: u ugly
Me:
Guy: ur forehead is so big that you could land a helicopter on it
Me:
Guy: Wacky Workbe--
Me: **PuLLs OuT AxE**
6:15... and what about Metropolis?
Yeah... no. If you're not doing this challenge, you can defeat enemies or damage boost. The only reason that I had problems with Metropolis was because of Tails, with the challenge.
@@GottaBeFrank i did try this challenge on mobile... i got stuck in Wacky Workbench... yeah, i suck, and you're totally right.
12:56 sonic exe game over music makes sense with this part
But... that is from Sonic CD's US soundtrack.
@@GottaBeFrank I know but it's also from that as well. Good job BTW
Where is the next one I've been waiting for months
Yay! Let's do this again!
I would have thought it might be possible. I hardly ever hit the things in this game.
“then metal sonic kidnaps her...”
*”...anyways.”*
Planters Panic-Easy
Collision Chaos-ok
Tidal Tempest-decent
Quartz Quardrant-semi-hard
Wacky Workbench-HARD
Stardust Speedway-pretty hard
Metallic Madness-INSANE
👌
Not planters panic, palmtree panic
Can't imagine what your face must've looked like when you got to the end lol
I knew it would be a run-ender, but I wanted to try and see if I could bypass that. It was worth a shot.
Cool use of both regional soundtracks! While I prefer our original one overall the American one still has some bangers.
You have to watch TAS of this game, it uses level wrap into the boss in last act. So it might be possible
Every TAS I've seen of it shows the Hotaru rooms because the boss will not spawn until they are defeated.
In sonic mania. The fire fly mod boss can be beaten if you wait the fire fly after a few hits
If you think about it,Sega was more advanced than Nintendo back then,they had a console that got high quality music 3 years before Nintendo.
Final I have been waiting for ever.
We're the intro.
Rip for the failed event.
"It's *time* to travel back in time"
~knuckles channel 3 & knuckles
well look on the bright side! you made it so far in the challenge! and we now know that the minimum you have to detroy is 3!
Yeah. I'm surprised that it was possible to get that far.
well im not really surprised you got this far. tbh I was surprised how the run ended. I haven't seen a playthrough of this game before so I didn't know about those 3 enemys and I thought you would beable to make it to the end. also sence you were at the end of the game you didn't have to play any more to find the minimum number of enemys you had to destroy@@GottaBeFrank
1:44 Should Sonic be dead?
At least it’s over
What if you got the Good future version of the final level?, normally those levels have no Badniks in them unless they're in that version as well.
There would still be badniks in the good future.
@@GottaBeFrank ah, alright then :)
Beating Sonic games without paying an invoice for Eggmans robots
Your videos are like when you order 6 piece chicken nugget but then get 10 (which is a good thing)
This is the greatest compliment I have ever received for my videos. Thank you.
@@GottaBeFrank you are welcome
And that's how sonic became metal sonic in the bad future
Who would've thought that Sonic CD of all games would be imposible without defeating regular enemies .
the lightbulb thingies are needed to defeat in metalic madness so its possible
mario=clear pipe
sonic= transparent tube
I love your videos especially this one ☝️ and I love sonic CD 💿 as well
Thank you so much 😁
what if you get there with the times stones, turning into the good future? the time stones are a way to get a good ending without defeating an enemy.
They spawn no matter what.
@@GottaBeFrank oh, I did not know that sorry. I have never actually played sonic cd.
It's alright. It's something I wondered when I started working on the video.
The whole without defeating a badnik series is influenced by Sonic Mania without defeating a badnik
Is... is this a serious comment? I hope not.
bro had me at the start
It is technically possible to beat the game if you're on PC or Mobile versions were even if you do clip through you can still activate the boss
Even if you beat the game it would still show sonic in the end credits killing badniks
Are there glitches to allow Sonic, Knuckles, and Gamma to get into Red Canyon without killing the badnik? If not SA1 is impossible
12:48 Dimps employee