If you look, its still a grace note as it is significantly smaller in size than other notes. Grace notes don’t need a slash but ones without them are played only slightly longer than ones with slashes. In addition, the measure is also taken up by a dotted half note which is worth 3 counts, so even if it was a normal sized eight note, it would not fit into the measure.
In BWV Anh. 132 it's even worse. They substitute a slide (Schleifer in german) with a grace note. Several urtext editions don't explain the slide either and it's not part of the ornamentation table in the Wilhelm Friedemann Klavierbüchlein. So my confusion got resolved in Willard Palmers "J.S. Bach: An introduction to his keyboard music". I think the Vorschlag is played on the beat but doesn't gets a whole beat but half of a beat (as an eighth note) in a Menuett.
Your overall point is correct, you should do details after structure. As other's have pointed out, though, this isn't by Bach, as other's have pointed out. It's by Petzold. More importantly, though, an appoggiatura on a three count notes typically gets 2/3 of the full value. It's actually more musically satisfying that way.
Correct me if im wrong, in CPE bachs treatise or something, didnt the same marking get two beats? The dotted note just gets one, i thought. Ive heard all renditions of this, but didnt know if u knew why some did the appoggiatura as one versus two beats.
If thats the case then which book has the right notation? On a different note (no pun) concerning a different piece, Musette in Dmaj. In most books the 26th bar shows a G# in the RH against an E in the LH. The original manuscript at Berlin State Library clearly shows a D note in the LH. Not sure if they were lazy in transcribing or merely decided to write an E note to cover up the tri-tone. Which wouldn't make sense since by Bach's time the tri-tone was already being used in a lot of music. Seems everyone I've seen playing it are playing the wrong note.
@@MichaelKorman It's really on the 18th bar, (w/o repeats) on the second 1/8 note....thanks for taking a look. www.bach-digital.de/rsc/viewer/BachDigitalSource_derivate_00003262/db_bachp0225_page071.jpg
The D must be correct. Kalmus and Bärenreiter both have a D, and I don't see any editions with an E. But my question is: does it matter? You can play it any way you want. It's one note that goes by so quickly. At the end of your life, is this going to be one of the things that made a difference?
@@lightball1414 Bach would not, as the musical tradition at the time was of improvisation and ornamentation. Scores were more of a guideline of what to play, not a strict rulebook.
@@lightball1414 it is also the only reasonable perspective. Scores are vague by nature, and absolute precision is impossible. The music itself is also much more important than the accuracy (most of the time), so why should one bother following directions believed to be not the best sounding?
Maybe this is my ignorance showing (I am still pretty new to reading music and playing the piano), but wouldn’t the grace note get half a beat and not a whole beat because it’s written as an 8th note and the time is in 3/4?
Haha yeah maybe you're right. The most important part, though, is that it's an appoggiatura, not a grace note. That's cool that you're learning piano. Do you have professional aspirations?
@@MichaelKorman you are correct, according to Wikipedia.. The title Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach (German: Notenbüchlein für Anna Magdalena Bach) refers to either of two manuscript notebooks that the German Baroque composer Johann Sebastian Bach presented to his second wife, Anna Magdalena. Keyboard music (minuets, rondeaux, polonaises, chorales, sonatas, preludes, musettes, marches, gavottes) makes up most of both notebooks, and a few pieces for voice (songs, and arias) are included.
If you look, its still a grace note as it is significantly smaller in size than other notes. Grace notes don’t need a slash but ones without them are played only slightly longer than ones with slashes. In addition, the measure is also taken up by a dotted half note which is worth 3 counts, so even if it was a normal sized eight note, it would not fit into the measure.
I don't see it the way you do. Take a closer look at this.
Again, doted half note in 3/4. When Bach would have ment what you said, he would have written there 7/8 and right after it carry on with 3/4 again.
This is standard notation. The little note borrows time from the big note.
No it isn’t a grace note (accacciatura) it is a appoggiatura. Read up on baroque ornamentation. Don’t assume.
Technically Minuet In G was not by Bach it was actually by a man named Christian Petzold
I was playing that song on the piano just before by heart and what I see after about this song minuet😂
In BWV Anh. 132 it's even worse. They substitute a slide (Schleifer in german) with a grace note. Several urtext editions don't explain the slide either and it's not part of the ornamentation table in the Wilhelm Friedemann Klavierbüchlein. So my confusion got resolved in Willard Palmers "J.S. Bach: An introduction to his keyboard music". I think the Vorschlag is played on the beat but doesn't gets a whole beat but half of a beat (as an eighth note) in a Menuett.
Your overall point is correct, you should do details after structure.
As other's have pointed out, though, this isn't by Bach, as other's have pointed out. It's by Petzold.
More importantly, though, an appoggiatura on a three count notes typically gets 2/3 of the full value. It's actually more musically satisfying that way.
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My dad plays this exact song when he first turns on the piano
I would gaurantee you people like Bach and Beethoven would play their peices different everytime they play. I agree with you.
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Correct me if im wrong, in CPE bachs treatise or something, didnt the same marking get two beats? The dotted note just gets one, i thought. Ive heard all renditions of this, but didnt know if u knew why some did the appoggiatura as one versus two beats.
It doesn't matter. The point is to give it some weight. One beat, two, ten. Take your pick and make it work.
Bach didn't wrote minuet in g though
If thats the case then which book has the right notation?
On a different note (no pun) concerning a different piece, Musette in Dmaj. In most books the 26th bar shows a G# in the RH against an E in the LH. The original manuscript at Berlin State Library clearly shows a D note in the LH. Not sure if they were lazy in transcribing or merely decided to write an E note to cover up the tri-tone. Which wouldn't make sense since by Bach's time the tri-tone was already being used in a lot of music. Seems everyone I've seen playing it are playing the wrong note.
The Kalmus edition has the right notation.
Regarding the other piece, if you post a link to the manuscript, I'll take a look at it.
@@MichaelKorman
It's really on the 18th bar, (w/o repeats) on the second 1/8 note....thanks for taking a look.
www.bach-digital.de/rsc/viewer/BachDigitalSource_derivate_00003262/db_bachp0225_page071.jpg
The D must be correct. Kalmus and Bärenreiter both have a D, and I don't see any editions with an E.
But my question is: does it matter? You can play it any way you want. It's one note that goes by so quickly. At the end of your life, is this going to be one of the things that made a difference?
This isn’t by Bach… It’s by Christian Petzold 😂
Haha it doesn't matter who wrote it. You play it the same no matter what. Let's normalize hitting the right keys at the right time and winning.
Haha I had a piano teacher who always advise to not purchase books published by Schirmer
Me caring about this and not doing the tremolos (or whatever ~ is called)
My book didn’t have grace note on there
Bach would be very upset if it was played improperly.
@@lightball1414 Bach would not, as the musical tradition at the time was of improvisation and ornamentation. Scores were more of a guideline of what to play, not a strict rulebook.
@@tuluppampam I like this perspective. Many of us view scores as canon.
@@lightball1414 it is also the only reasonable perspective. Scores are vague by nature, and absolute precision is impossible.
The music itself is also much more important than the accuracy (most of the time), so why should one bother following directions believed to be not the best sounding?
Both ways sound wrong. The way I've heard this piece is that second to last note gets played slower than the first version, and faster the second.
Many people corrected me but I always thought it was like that too, with the whole beat. I dunno why
Maybe this is my ignorance showing (I am still pretty new to reading music and playing the piano), but wouldn’t the grace note get half a beat and not a whole beat because it’s written as an 8th note and the time is in 3/4?
Haha yeah maybe you're right. The most important part, though, is that it's an appoggiatura, not a grace note. That's cool that you're learning piano. Do you have professional aspirations?
The entire era didn’t care about accuracy?
Dunno, wasn't there
when i played this song there wasnt a forshlag(tiny note) 🤯
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Is it J S Bach's handwriting or Ana Magdalena's?
Pretty sure this one's in Sebastian's hand but not 100%. Look into it and let me know.
@@MichaelKorman you are correct, according to Wikipedia..
The title Notebook for Anna Magdalena Bach (German: Notenbüchlein für Anna Magdalena Bach) refers to either of two manuscript notebooks that the German Baroque composer Johann Sebastian Bach presented to his second wife, Anna Magdalena. Keyboard music (minuets, rondeaux, polonaises, chorales, sonatas, preludes, musettes, marches, gavottes) makes up most of both notebooks, and a few pieces for voice (songs, and arias) are included.
@@noelwalterso2 Thanks for looking it up. Cool guitar playing btw.
@@MichaelKorman oh thankyou. I can't beleive I uploaded that 12 years ago! I still play that piece but can't honestly say I've got any better at it😆
@@noelwalterso2 haha time flies, doesn't it. Quick question: are you looking for piano help?
Interesting!
Isn't that D an eighth's in the original notation?
It looks like it, doesn't it? But no, it's an ornament. Also, it's a B, even though it looks like a D (soprano clef).
@@MichaelKorman that's cool.... thanks for answering
Petzold?
It doesn't matter lol. Just hit the right keys at the right time and it will sound right. No need to get caught up in trivia.
Bach transcription. All the details are history.
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