The Perfect Vintage Cinema Lenses
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- #helios #cinematography #filmmaking
The Ironglass Adapters Mark II cinema lenses are the perfect vintage cinema lens set for documentary or narrative filmmaking, no compromises.
Mark II's HERE - ironglassadapters.com/id/6/
Individual Optical Lens Tests
Mir 10A: • This Lens is Something...
Tair 11A: • This 135MM Has 20 BLAD...
Mir 20: • How WIDE is TOO Wide? ...
Original Photo Lenses (Affiliate)
MIR 1V 37MM F/2.8 Original Version: ebay.us/xrlQvl
Helios 44-2 58MM F/2.0 Original Version: ebay.us/vN61x3
Jupiter 9 85MM F/2.0 Original Version: ebay.us/ggkD1m
Helios 40-2 85mm: ebay.us/nB9tAm
Mir 10A 28mm: ebay.us/wlmlqC
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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Introduction
0:52 - Lens Packaging
1:34 - Completely Redesigned
2:48 - Internal FOCUS!!!!
4:07 - TSTOPS Conversion
4:17 - Aperture Upgrades
5:08 - Helios 40-2 Option
6:14 - Damaged Element Replacements
7:16 - Who's this for?
8:26 - Final Thoughts
9:11 - Why Lenses Matter
Never imaged it my love and use of vintage lenses would have come this far. I've got the tools, time to focus on the creative.
I was waiting for this!! FOMO is real now hahaha
Always glad to see the notification that you’ve uploaded a new video! Great as always man 👌🏻
Congratulations on your amazing set and thank you for sharing your thoughts! ❤
Thanks for helping make them a reality! Would rather stick with original vintage than "faux vintage". Authenticity matters ;)
Been a while, nice to have a new video with some awesome old glass paired with a realistic perspective!
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Always a pleasure seeing your videos surprisingly popup in my feed!
I appreciate that! Thanks for letting me know!
So stoked this popped up on my feed! 🙌🙌🙌
Thanks for being patient with me man lol...hard to get back into this groove.
Great video Mark. They look lovely!
Yooo! This set is 🔥.. I can feel your joy bro! Good on ya
Now to put them to use, the fun's "over" or it's just beginning....lol. Thanks for stopping by!
What an awesome achievement! Congrats to the entire Ironglass team and VLFV.❤
100% They should be proud, they've made something truly special.
Thank you Alex!
Ordered my 3 set mk 1s a while age which hopefully will arrive soon and cant wait to receive them but the mk 2s look amazing and possible upgrade later... great piece!!
They Mark I's are great, but the moment i saw the Mark II's it was a must have for me. Really depends on the work. you do, but the Mark I's really are a fantastic set. The upgrade possibility down the line is also pretty great, so you can see if the I's work well for. you first. Then reconcile with it's worth the upgrade. Good luck!
Interesting video, thanks Mark.
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Love them Mark. Had the opportunity to look at an early prototype and late prototypes for complete strip down and I can tell you Ironglass did good. ❤
Ya I saw that mentioned on FB, but I didn't see your full take on it, maybe I missed it or it wasn't published, but I remember seeing your praises then. Looking under the hood man, I wouldn't even know where to start! Your approval is fantastic though!
@@MarkHoltze yes, can't share such things publicly without getting a ok. But feel free to ask me if you want to know anything. :)
What an amazing set, kudos to Ironglass for these ones. I think there's something to be said about repurposing glass that was made ~40+ years ago and turning it into something that may last for another 40+ years.
BEAUTIFUL!!!
I don't know why, but the lens caps to me are a design icing-on-the-cake.
Congrats on your collection!
Thanks John, and yes total icing.
Yesssss new Mark Holtze video!!
Oh my gosh these look stellar Mark,
very jealous EVEN THOUGH I have never filmed a darned thing in my life and 'only' use my vintage collection for snapping still imagery.
But such beautifully modified vintage lenses are very appealing indeed and the Ironglass mark II upgrades all make sense as a worthwhile investment.
So as and when Mr Spielberg calls and asks me to sort his next epic I shall certainly be making the very same call on my Minoltas, Taukmars, FDs et al :)
Also, not ignoring another stonkingly beautiful presentation 🙌 Spielberg-Schmielberg!
Those apature blades opening and closing had my heat pumping 😍. These look stunning. Can't wait to see some test shots and what productions use them. I have a set of most of these still in their original form. I've a few plans for short films involving my "Russian sisters" as you once nick named them. Need to get my act together.
Short films man, hardest thing in the world to do on the side. VERY hard, so much dedicated time and energy it's almost a black hole for productivity elsewhere. Best of luck with it mate, i'm rooting for you!
@@MarkHoltze yep I know currently it will be a full year before I actually shoot. But i can tinker away at preproduction in the meantime.
You mentioning Cooke made me remember that I always planned to find cooke lenses somewhere for cheap. Thrift shop or something, time to work on that.
That is a hunt worth going on!
Thanks for an interesting video. One wonders what impact this will have on the already rising prices of vintage lenses. Konica is now also being rehoused, fyi. Bit of an underrated brand, still.
I think you deserve way more than 49K subs, mate.
You know what's nice about being "small" is that there is no expectation. I appreciate the sentiment behind your post mate, but it also lets me stay in more direct contact with every message. I don't think i could handle that at 250k plus, but who knows. I was on track at one point, but the platform has grown a lot and trends change, I'm just here doing what I love. If people jump on, cool...if not...cool. :) Thanks for stopping by!
These looks delicious. What a beautiful improvement on a remarkable vintage series..
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I hope they also get on to rehousing the glorious LOMO OKC cine lenses!
Those are NICE lenses!
I really liked your early post-production videos. Any more of those coming in the future. I'd be interested in your opinion between Premiere, Avid, and DaVinci Resolve, (and your after effects workflow).
Ya I actually don’t have much of an opinion on the software outside of use whatever you are most comfortable with or whatever the hiring requirements are. There is no
Perfect editor software, they all have pros and cons. Resolve is the best bang I think given the one time cost. I don’t love the sub model of premiere and avid now, it’s just an endless expense that never goes away.
Maybe I have more to say than I thought 😆 thanks for the idea
I am holding you personally responsible for the now 50 plus vintage lens I own, what started as watching one of your early videos and buying one old lens has turned into an obsession
If they make you happy, that makes me happy! lol. What are your favs?
Lens goals. Rehousing some of my glass is a long term dream.
What lenses do you have you want to rehouse? ✊
@@MarkHoltze Ha! All the ones I've bought having stumbled across your channel. The main one is the Helios. It's not *that* bad to do it I guess, relative to the cost of other cinema glass. Just gets expensive quite quickly to do more than one. In fantasy land, I'd also love to rehouse some FD lenses.
Great video. Do you have to switch your own glass always or can you also buy it directly from them?
You can get them to source them, but it costs more as it adds time. I think the whole process is much less $$$ if you send your own.
so great !! Next step then : anamorphic ! (the rabbit hole is even deeper, you'll see !)
Enough!!!! 😈
You'll come to it... 😈
Have you shot anything with these MII lenses? If so can give a link?
I am so excited for you! I mean jealous ...yes jealous and excited!
Thanks man! Sorry about the jealousy thing, it can have a bit of a sting lol.
If only I could get my hands on the 58mm. So nice!
Get an early one with Red P
Helios-44 "F = 5.8 cm" П KMZ, "Red P" (early “Start” bayonet mount) lens footage Part 2
ruclips.net/video/m2xL2tQD2Fo/видео.html
@@VintageLensCorner I have a 44-2 but these modded ones are next level!
Out of the set, that might be the ONE to get! lol. Love that lens.
I know you got the lenses in PL mount and in matte black, but did you get any of the other add-ons like the internal coloring, or oval bokeh/anamorphic options?
I didn’t, had my oval swapped out for consistency across all lenses but didn’t want to compromise full aperture range as well. Not a fan of fake anamorphic flares so that was never an option for me. Just natural characteristics of each lens. ✊
I have a "broken" Canon FD 85 f1.2L that I paid $200 for because the elements are perfect. Wondering if its worth rehousing as I hate to see such a lens as a doorstop. Any recommendations Mark for a fellow Canadian?
Haven't seen anyone other than the occasional independent shop / project doing FD rehousing other than PS Technik. They don't post rough estimates anymore but a few years ago it was $8-10k as a super general ballpark estimate. Really not an option for certain owner operators though your 85 sounds like a perfect candidate.
Did some quick research and I think it's still going to be expensive as hell but at least there's a few options (with likely very, very long waitlists). Reddit tells me TLS, Zero Optik, and Whitepoint Optics could be plausible alternatives.
Very cool. Have you considered re-housing the Minolta Rokkors?
Ancient optics does a wicked job on the minoltas but the set I had was just a loaner. So I don’t have any of my own unfortunately. Or maybe fortunately because I prob don’t need to spend more money 😂
@@MarkHoltze I see. Seems like their set was done by G.L. Optics but neither of them mention rehousing services. All I see is lens sets (presumably for rental). I guess it's a custom job with custom pricing. I do have a set but still pondering the ROI of rehousing them.
I love it 😊
Thanks for stopping by!
@@MarkHoltze you’re welcome. I think you should do a video of who should buy the Mark l and Mark ll. For someone like myself, I do love this but I can’t throw all my money on the mark ll yet. One needs to be smart when you’re not doing high-end production yet.
I own older silver editions from the Iron Glass Adapters (prior to Mark I). Imreally would like to upgrade them to these Mark II versions. How much did you pay for the whole set when upgrading fro m Mark I?
Are the focus throw different on every lens or is it constant on all of them?
Have the internal focusing affacted anyway the breathing of the lenses? Or is it something they can't remove as it is part of lens design?
Focus throw up a 300 degrees on all lenses.
The focus breathing is not affected by the internal focus because it’s part of the optical design and rehousing affect optics on such way :)
Alan beat me to it. I'll have to track receipts as it was all over time and different amounts because I sourced my own lenses going back over two years total.
How could I use this on a Sony FX3? What adapter would you recommend?
PL to E adapter and you're golden. Ironglass makes a PL to E so that's who I would recommend. I have that same adapter when I was using these on my Sony and it was a nice fit.
Simmod also has a PL to E you can check out.
*These are some sexy-looking lenses!* I'm just dipping my toes into the world of cine glass, and I'm all about lenses with character.
I'd love to test one of these out some day.
Yes, well if you ever come out there or me out there...i'll make sure to bring the lenses for you to try! I think you'd do some wonderful things with these + your eye!
What is the main reason for re housing these? I love vintage lenses on my old Fuji, but why not just use the lens in its original housing? (Greetings from Vancouver) Thank you:)
The ONLY reason you would do this is if you work in a top tier film/doc production work. The re-housing is almost 100% added functionality for a professional work environment on feature docs, factual docs, narrative film productions. You have crew, big rigs, need consistency and dependability (hard to put 50-60. year old lenses through some of these demands and often times those photo lenses do not have the functionality required for things like wireless focus, matte boxes etc.
Hope that helps! Bottom line, look at the physical difference between cinema lenses and photo lenses today. What makes these special is you're taking a photo lens and making it work for cinema use while retaining that authentic "vintage look" these lenses are known for.
Can you tell me how many lenses are in the Helios set? Trying to find some myself and I want to collect the whole set
6 in total. But you can buy them individually or in 3’s
the perfect vintage poison 😍
100% lol....it's like hypnosis!
How are these for the long term? Anybody know yet? The original lenses often had oily blades over time even in storage, has the rehousing fixed this? I have some of the original non-cine-rehoused anamorfake lenses that need a little bit of cleaning, thankfully those lenses were always easy to open to clean, but I wondered if maybe paying to have them rehoused would be a good investment in the long run.
All new aperture blades, everything is brought up to 15. The optics are strongly serviced on top so this shouldn’t be an issue at all.
I assume internal focus also gets rid of the focus breathing issue?
Nope, the lens still breaths, it would need a full optical formula overhaul to correct this.
Great video! Do you know if the oval bokeh mod is user-removable?
It’s removable but not something you can easily remove yourself
You beat me to it, thanks Alan!
Alan got to you first, I actually wouldn't have the proper answer to that so happy that he did. I figured probably not.
@@alanbesedin Thanks for the reply! Was too excited when placing my order that I added the oval bokeh thinking it would be user-removable lol! Hoping I can get to IronGlass on time to make the change. Thanks again!
Thank you for this great video and thanks to Ironglass for doing such a great job !
By the way the Chief of this Company is defending his country right now in Ukraine as a volunteer soldier in the war against Russia ✊
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Somebody intrested? , I have a lensset of rehoused Superbaltars by P+S 18/20/25/35/50/75/100/152( Baltar) and 228 ideal for the Arri 35 Beautifull lenses .
You should post these on the cine lens group on Facebook!
I wonder if they can do this with my minolta MF lenses?
Ancient Optics rehouses minotla but they're not cheap. I would argue don't do it unless you work in a commercial space that can leverage the advantages rehousing brings. They make the lenses much bigger and heavier and harder to use practically as a single shooter so there's that to consider. Modding might be your best bet, but again depends on what you have planned. Ancient Optics Minolta rehoused sets are things dreams are made from lol. Very nice set!
@@MarkHoltze OK thank you.
I wonder what amazing things will these lenses shoot
Soon!
No sample footage? I scrubbed through fast. Did I miss it?
I’ve done individual lens testing for each lens in different videos so didn’t focus on sample footage outside of the Helios 40-2 because I’ve got dedicated videos of each when they were photo lenses. This was focused on the rehousing upgrades from the mark I’s
@@MarkHoltze Thanks for responding. I'll check out your other videos.
How much have you paid in total for the set (without shipping)
I'll have to do the math and look at invoices, I started in 2020, and I also sent in my own optics for most lenses so that cut down on the sticker price ultimately. They're offered at an early bird price now of just over $11,000 for 5 lenses. So ball park around there, but less because I bought and sourced my own Helios 40-2, Tair 11a, Mir 10 28, and Mir 20. Shipping was cheap and barely even factors in $60.
The symbol looks like the OCP logo from Robocop!
Oh man, that brings back memories, you're right! lol. I could have had fun with that! Good eye!
Mir-1V… nice lens. I have bought it for… $38. In perfect condition and 1990year improved body. Have no issues with dji focusing motor in original body. And it weights… 170 gramm. Yes, a bit painful to rebalance, but i am okay instead of paying $2360 more
those look hot as hell.
I am thinking about sending my CZJ 180mm f/2.8 over to IronGlass for re-housing. Its a debate.
You’ve got some time to decide!
Russian glass is all about character but a bit clunky, this deals with the it in a very affordable way. Now all Ironglass has to do is rehouse the canon FD's/NFD's (please).
There are polls that exist looking beyond the soviet lenses. Small operation, complicated by the war no doubt...but I think over time it will make sense they apply what they've learned with these lenses to other lenses. FD's are very popular and would be a wise choice so ... it COULD happen.
@@MarkHoltze Hope they eventually get around to it, hope the guys are safe.
I love this concept, but taking a lens that retails for ~$150 and turning it into a $2,500 lens is a tough sell for me.
Ya it’s not for everybody as discussed. You need the functionality and work in a tier that can afford that very small investment. There is gear modding etc as a less expensive route, heck the mark I’s are less expensive. The fact of the matter there is a market for it, so just wanted to put out what you can expect. I’ve spoken at length about this generally: the “worth” these lenses fetch on the open market is mainly due to demand and availability. What a lens is worth on the market doesn’t truly dictate its value. But we all have a different definition of value based on our own set of variables and circumstances. These lenses are already paid off after having been used and rented out on the last 5 shoots. Everything else is gravy at this point.
Look at zero optik turning 900 Leica R’s into $5500 lenses… they have a wait list 18 months long.
I can see your point though. ✊
@@MarkHoltze Oh yeah totally agree with you. I own several lenses that are significantly more expensive than these even, I just think they face a little *more* of an uphill battle in that these are basically refurbished and repackaged Ebay lenses, marked up over 10x. I totally see the value in it, but I'll be curious to see how many actually sell.
The only downfall to these lenses is that they take 6+ months to ship. Love these lenses so much but that’s way to long to wait.
It’s a problem rehousing services all have. Zero optik is over a year wait, TLS same, TK lenses…it’s a time consuming process. Long term investment however.
@@MarkHoltzeyea. I’m fully aware. Am not at fault to the company. It’s the nature of rehousing. Esp when there desirable. But personally I just can’t wait that long.
Ya you’re right it is part of the downfall for sure.
Nice advert.
It's only an advert if I was paid, or to a lesser extent, got the lenses for free. Both are not true (i wasn't paid and I bought the lenses). Small company, doing work I find valuable so happy to talk positively about it because that's how they make me feel.
I know youtube has turned into a giant advertising platform, but I don't do this to advertise, I do this to educate and inform, I'm sorry you only saw "advert" behind my efforts, but I wanted to take a second and try to give you my perspective. :)
So when you say, “these lenses were used by Greg Frazier.” Do you mean that Dune 2 was shot on iron glass rehoused Soviet lenses like yours, or… Dune 2 was shot on YOUR LENS SET???
He used the Iron glass lenses, not mine specifically. He’s got his custom DUNE set he used. The feedback using them on the film helped Ironglass solidify their final design.
$2500 each 😮
For rehousing like this, that’s a very good price. $4000, $5000 per lens from some of the comp on Leica R’s and those prices do not include the lens.
If you are buying these one should be working in a market that can pay them off fairly quickly based on jobs. Lots of options out there. :)
I didn't know pornography was allowed on RUclips. 😋📷
I should put a viewer discretion advised before my IT slate lol.
2500$ for 25$ optics? lol
You’re buying the rehousing and getting the optics for free. The “$25” optics are being used in some of the biggest films, so shows you how far “$25” optics can go. ;)
Are those Ukraine flags on Russian lenses?🫣
Rehousing is made in Ukraine. It can have Russian, Japanese, German, etc lenses inside ;)
@@alanbesedin Oh i see lol, thanks for the informative reply.
Alan beat me to it, yes Ironglass is a Ukrainian based company.
Always learning something new when I watch your videos. This reinforces having this added to my bucket list.
Slava Ukraina!
Hey mark I DMd you my question on instagram
Got it mate, thanks for letting me know here! It had me go directly over there!