I died at: “I reminded him that in 8 days I’d be setting a group of men armed with sledgehammers and anger management issues loose on whatever of theirs was still on my property.” Fucking hero
The HOA president lied and “screwed” the landowner first, by canceling all the agreements they had. I would have never agreed to any of those easement, etc in the first place. However, the landowner had tried to be a good neighbor and the HOA president was not a good neighbor back. The HOA and the president got what he deserved. As the saying goes,”What comes around go’s around”.
Yeah it was pretty clear the HOA president was being the tyrant of his "domain" and though it was impossible for him to be defeated there. Also it seems like he was someone who inherited his wealth and heard their parent or grandparent use the line they used on the OP but never really got the wisdom behind that line, the sloppy copy/paste on the contract suggested as much as you always double check all relevant info on a contract even if you're the one benefiting as a simple error can make the contract null and void. Then there's the fact when lawyer says "Are you sure you want to sign this" it typically means you need to read what you're signing and not just rely on suing after the fact. One thing my late dad who was a contract lawyer taught me and my brother was that you always check before you sign anything since by signing you accept the terms of the contract and courts (mind I do not live in the US but as far as I understand this true there too) won't just give you better contract because you thought the original was "unfair". Only exceptions being contracts that are considered "unjust" (what this means depends, but for example a contract cannot demand something that's literally impossible or illegal) and even then the contract is just declared void.
honestly Im surprised the exemptions could be retracted in the first place, that was part of the terms of the deal and part of the reason it was accepted in the first place, if I was involved in that I would make sure the contract has the exemptions immutable and in writing, and including exemptions from any future additional restrictions. HOA president proved why Im never living in another HOA community real quick, can't trust HOAs or the people in them to be even somewhat reasonable, if anything I swear my non HOA neighbors are nicer than any HOA ones Ive had, probably because we all just want to live our lives
@@refraggedbean Yea, I was floored a judge upheld the retroactive shenanigans. That should be flat out illegal. You don't get to change a contract once it's been signed. If that's legal, then contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on. Now...if the HOA had voted to change the rules, then I might understand, but NOT retroactively. I hate HOA's. I've never heard of a good one.
"I have no idea what I did to him" was actually correct, Rslash, it wasn't sarcastic. His neighbour started this whole thing out of nothing but the OP finished it.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the former HOA president hired someone to scare the tenet, it would fit, with how he acted so far, albeit it would be a bit of a stretch.
@@SkyEcho751 I actually agree. All the years that OP lived there, nothing like that has ever happened until AFTER the HOA started and was unsuccessful in getting OP to join.
This is the greatest story I've ever heard. I heard a story once where some guy had bought a house in a new subdivision, and when the developer told him about the HOA he'd created, the purchaser realized he was the only member -- and after reading the bylaws, he called an emergency meeting and dissolved it on the spot
it’s not his fault that he didn’t do his research…for someone so obsessed with that property, he should have done a simple search if property records before fooling around with the law
I don’t even know how HOAs are legal at all. In a free country how tf can you not do whatever tf you want with your own property?? I should be able to build a freaking circus on my land and then knock it down and leave it that way if I wanted to. It’s my land that I paid for
@@RealNaisuCinema because people are also free to associate and you sign HOA contract to live in the area. If you dont like it move elsewhere. I think its fair its just power often corrupts so stuff like this happens
@@Ja_Mes did you even pay attention to the video?? He was there before the HOA clown. Not to mention just because the people on THEIR land agreed to some rules doesn’t mean the person buying land near them has to kneel at their feet and pay them a tax to live there. “Live somewhere else” as if HOAs aren’t all over the place.
Not a lawyer, but I bet the paralegal was right that the contract wouldn't hold up. But, I definitely think OP had a good strategy. As long as they don't mess with the HOA further I bet OP comes out on top in the long.
I shouldn't be but I'm mind blown at how badly the HOA tried to utterly, immediately bulldoze OP for the mistake of showing them trust and good will. It's like the kinds of folks who run these things can't help themselves. Always good to hear of a case where they were made to regret it.
Absolutely. Neighbor 00 was way too happy after OP signed in for that to be a random incident. Who gets happy over random shootings in the neighborhood?
@@phane00 Yes. He had everything planned out. He even said they have been wanting to build the wall for a while but couldn't. And where was the guard? He didn't see anything?
@@aliciasanders5561 Yep, and they couldn't use the HOA contract to "take" his land if he didn't sign in. Sounds like the president was manipulating everyone to get this HOA off the ground just to screw himself into the ground in the end.
I agree that seemed all too coincidental, but depending on where this story takes place drunken idiots or people high on something shooting guns randomly into the night isn’t uncommon. It could have been a real incident.
Finally, a malicious compliance story, that doesn`t just end with "yeah, in half a year i heard that they got fired". This dude did it himself and made the lives of those goblins a living hell, so good
The dude’s tenants get the benefits of a prim and proper, nice looking quiet neighborhood, while also not having to listen to the Karen’s that live in it. Being apart of it and experiencing it, but not actually apart of it. He’s made himself (or, rather his property) a golden egg, plus he gets monthly payments! I’d totally rent from him. (He should have no shortages of renters) He got to have his cake and eat it too! This was so satisfying.
Absolutely loved every minute of this. I once worked as the Foreman of the team of contractural gardeners for an HOA in England and we managed to silently, "Get one over on them", on many occasions by sticking to their own stupid rules. Came to the conclusion that HOA stands for "House Of Arseholes". Relish every victory anywhere, against such narrow minded selfish, entitled people.
There is nothing I love more than a nasty, meddling, HOA getting screwed over. The only thing that could have made it even better, was if the HOA had also damaged some 30 year-old oak tree's on OP's property.
HOA's are a good example of "you will own nothing". Anyone part of an HOA like that ( maybe I only hear the bad stories) can never talk about property rights, personal property, personal liberty, they don't believe in it.
@@themarveldude9317 yeah like good Karens that go fetch the manager when the waiter is making black people pay before their meal because they are *_hiGH riSk!_*
come on man, the one where the HOA stole the house of a old man and he, in retribution, executes in cold blood 2 board members during a meeting is still my favourite. It's basically the reason you have the second amendment
The malicious compliance of 'the HOA is responsible for keeping the property up to HOA standards' was so satisfying. I was as giddy as a kid on Christmas
the moment when you get all the birthday presents you wanted and then you get this one present "which is payed by everyone" this is what I felt when hearing the last part
This actually reminds of a thing i did in college. I rented an apartment, and the company that managed the property sent me a rental contract in the mail. I had heard from another student at the university that these property management types never really double checked their documents. The last page only had about 1/6th of it used up, so i used MS word to add a couple things to the last page of contract. I included a pet clause (i would pay 10$ extra per month for pets, not including my service dog, and the amount did not increase per pet) and i would be allowed to have my own washer and dryer in my unit due to my student nursing work meaning i would either be in class, or at work while the basement was unlocked for access to the laundry room there (they locked it at night, because drug addicts would steal the chemicals) I also added a bit having a designated parking spot in the lot, for an additional cost of 10$ per month. I wasnt trying to screw them over completely. And that actually worked in my favor, i got a phone call, and the property manager was actually having giggle fits over what i added. He accepted the new terms, but told me to bring it up in person next time. He even added that i was free to ask his wife, who lived in the building with him, to watch my service dog if i couldnt take her with me for any reason. i mean, i TRIED to pull a fast one, but this was a smaller rental management business, and the guy was actually really great. When his son took over, i moved out because the whole thing turned to shit. My new landlord insisted i call her MeeMaw, and i swear, she got me to put on 60 pounds in the first year i was living in her upstairs inlaw apartment. I had always struggled with weight gain, but this woman made food you could not refuse.
I met a trucker who owned some farm land surrounded by a country road. He had a dirt drive that people in a housing tract used to save a half mile loop around his land. He had no problem till he learned that if he allowed unlimited use he'd lose title to that piece of land, so he had to close the drive one day a year. So he for one day he put up a big locked chain closing their shortcut. One of the citizens called the police, when he refused to open the drive the cop cut the chain and arrested the owner. In the south he called the county constable for help. Due to the fact that the cop had taken the innocent man on his own land the officer was in the wrong. Constables are over the regular policemen. The matter was solved when it was agreed that the city cops would use their cars to block the drive, closing it one day a year. He retained control of the property and everyone was happy.
This is why Democracy, while nice on paper, doesn’t actually produce positive results. Hard to solve problems by popular vote when half the population is too stupid to see a problem exists.
I remember when my uncle convinced almost everyone in my old neighborhood to build a ham radio tower in their backyard to piss of the HOA it pissed the living shit out of my HOA that they would get on anyone for even the smallest thing but eventually the HOA went away which was a blessing
This has to be the greatest HOA story I've ever heard, I really hate them. They attacked him through lies and deception. He came back and nuked them it was like he hit them with a photon torpedo. This was so amazing and you told it so well that I actually wanted more. Your videos are so entertaining to watch.
This story warms the cockles of my heart. I love it. I *_HATE_* HOA's. Having to sign an HOA agreement when buying house is an absolute deal breaker for me. "Oh, I have to sign the HOA rules to purchase the home? Ok. Find another patsy. Because I won't be a member of an HOA *AT ALL, PERIOD.*
I think they advantages are definitely outweighed by the disadvantages, but it’s difficult to find a home in my area that isn’t part of an HOA unless you want to live in the boonies.
It seems that every HOA is toxic. I never really dealt with an HOA before, until I moved into my new apartment. We had some rips in our screens so they had us send them out to get fixed (they paid for it) then they sent us a fine for not having screens. Our landlord took care of it. Recently they told us we need to remove the cable/internet lines coming out of our apartment, going into the ground, hidden by bushes, not bothering anyone. We told our landlord we weren't going to do that, unless they pay for them to moved somewhere else. Haven't heard anything since.
There probably are many non-toxic HOAs, it's just that a HOA is good when it limits itself to taking care of the common areas and any conformity standards are just the the bare minimum and barely intrusive at all for the people who live there. Thus they are basically invisible and certainly don't into the news. Some of the people living there might not even quite realize they have a HOA save for the dues, and even that might get missed if they do the paying of bills more or less on autopilot.
Here's an example of a good HOA (IE. mine). All grounds work is paid for, all exterior maintenence is covered, the roofs on all townhouses is budgeted for to be replaced every 17 years or when needed, all road work is covered, gated security is covered, HOA even went and sued the roofer that originally built the propertyu on the owners behalf due to defects discovered in construction. I find that HOA management companies are the best, no petty little lords who want to rule a fief, just usually a normal corporate governance for a fee.
We just moved into a home with an HOA after terrible experiences owning a non-HOA home (it was a nightmare to sell). We did a lot of research and found a very reasonable and small rules HOA. So far, we have been extremely lucky.
Contractu: a minor god that takes the form of a neighbor, boss or manager that will tell people who are struggling with a issue under contract to check said contract. Any incident that Contractu interferes with will ultimately end with the the given person winning in any and all legal actions and will end in a feeling of extreme satisfaction
The president of the HOA was the one that scared that tenant to force OP to join the HOA and the rest. It was the president or someone he hired. So I'm glad he got what was coming to him.
Yea, this was so obvious I'm surprised OP didn't call them on it. I'd have just set up security cameras and made sure the HOA, and more importantly my tenants, knew I suspected their board.
That judge is completely wrong. It is illegal to alter contracts without both parties agreeing. This would make the contract void at the violators expense.
It may not have been mentioned in the story, but the contract itself may have had a fine print clause, which is why it was technically legal in this case. I mean this story covered a number of years, I'm sure it's not 100% of the details involved, just the majority overview.
@@Vincent_Beers, I'd guess you're right about the fine print. Simple piece of wisdom for any contract, the finer the print, the closer you should look at it.
I could imagine a fine print going something like "This contact may only be amended or repealed in accordance with, and in the manner provided for, the HOA Charter", and then said charter has a provision to amend such contracts with a majority vote during a meeting. Something like that!
Contracts and TOS often say they can be modified at any time without advanced notice, and that they merely have to notify you of the changes. Go read some. This website has one like that.
@@VndNvwYvvSvv Any illegal clauses in a contract are null and void even when signed to. Example, you can’t be a slave legally even if you sign a contract. So, just because it’s in the TOS or contract still doesn’t make it legal.
my current home is in a really weird spot, we live in two counties at once, we are physically inside of the hoas area, but due to weird government zoning our home is part of a separate county from the hoa and so they can’t do shit to us. best thing since sliced bread
Now I'm wondering if that OO guy was the one who pulled off the pewpewpew incidents to deliberately spook said tenants, to convince OP to sign his HOA.
When we were looking for a house a few years ago, I found a really nice one, very close to a school in a nice neighborhood. I asked the realtor if there was an HOA, and he said there was one when the subdivision was built, but the homeowners dissolved it 20 years prior. I knew this was the neighborhood for me, and we bought the house.
hope you don't have to put up with scummy neighbors who let their home go to *garbage*, don't mow their lawn, and pile garbage in their front and back yards. Perhaps even drive a car onto their lawn--how would you like that?
@Scott Prost-Domasky - Are you nuts? The HOA neighborhood I unfortunately live in looks far worse than the non-HOA neighborhood just one street over. HOAs are breeding grounds for petty tyrants and vicious narcissists.
@@aeroeng22 why are you in someone else’s business? Unless its actually harmful to you or another neighbor it’s literally not your responsibility to care. Just focus on your own shit and you’ll have nothing to worry about
A HOA is Not a Money Making Business. Yes, it needs to have Money to Pay for Upkeep for things. But a HOA is All Voluntary. There is NO PAY Positions Except for the LAWYER/Law Firm, Lawn Services, Snow Removal Services types. But the Board Members Do Not Get Paid PERIOD. If you are in a HOA and Board Members are Getting PAID. Then Run Away from that HOA, Consider a Class Action Lawsuit then, That HOA is then Corrupt.
I mean, I get it. But it was the OO neighbour that started the mess, and created the problem. With him gone, the remaining HOA are just as screwed as OP was by the idiot. I get OP willing to let bygones be bygones as long as the HOA didn't decide to fuck with him again.
@@pingidjit I mean debatably the HOA itself wasn’t the problem it was just the idiot that was the problem (I’m not vouching for HOAs btw I just wanna make that VERY clear)
To paraphrase my favorite RUclips lawyer, Steve Lehto. Signing a document means that you READ it, you UNDERSTAND it and you AGREE with it. If you didn't READ it, why did you sign it? If you READ it but didn't UNDERSTAND it, why did you sign it? If you READ it and UNDERSTOOD it but didn't AGREE with it, WHY...DID...YOU...SIGN...IT?
At best they are useless and do nothing. Then there's most of them that are annoying and run by either corrupt jerks trying to scam money and/or bored old people with nothing better to do with their time than nitpicking over nonsense.
things going well don't usually give people cause to report on the situation. Unless the HoA does something amazingly generous, people won't think about it much
Only in the land of the free would people volunteer to be ruled over by the tyrannical abomination that are HOAs, and then get upset when they get fined for every little thing. Did I say land of the free? I meant land of the incompetent.
HOA's are nothing more than tiny Communist Dictatorships, telling you, You can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do this, you can't do that. If you love your freedom to do whatever on your property and house, A wise thing to do, like you said, Never, ever ever ever join and or live in an HOA.
For readers in the US: We should run OP for office. If he’d accept a nomination. Honesty, sense, persistence and a sense of humor are a rare combination of traits; we can use most of them at any time. True story or fiction, it’s good stuff!
HOA are a pain in the ass. It seems like the people running them are always on a power trip. They went after my mom over a couple of dandelions. My mom pointed out that the big area next to her house with a walking path through it, had hundreds of dandelions. And that the HOA should take care of those dandelions before going after her. Because that’s where all the dandelion seeds were coming from.
I don't even know why people hate dandelions, it's just flowers, same with clover and a few other things that might grow in a lawn, why does it matter if it's 100% grass? I swear I think I'd end up just building a border around the yard and calling it a flower bed, and if I want grass between my flowers and clover patches, that's just the variety I like. Why not have grass and flowers mixed? Nice green instead of dirt under and around the flower.
@@ninjaked1265 That's really a matter of point of view. "Traditionally, a weed is defined as any plant growing where it is not wanted. " It may be a weed in an otherwise trimmed lawn. In a patch of wild land, it is not.
"My tenant got an HOA warning about his dogs barking" HOA's sucking all around aside... dogs bark. It's what they do. It's in their nature. In my neighborhood there's a dog at almost every house. Every afternoon, 6 days a week, all you hear is a cacophony of barking when the mailman walks through.
I'm pretty sure those gun sounds the tenant heard in the middle of the night was the neighbor trying to scare them into compliance and sadly it worked, but good on OP for flipping the script on them
"Get it up to HOA standards" "They told him they'd get it done..." I just imagined the most hollow sounding, soulless, through gritted teeth way of saying: "Yeah... We'll get it done..." This is so rare in The Netherlands... Home Owners Associations and the like are barely a thing for as far as I know. Im glad about that too. I'd never agree to someone telling me what to do with MY property and MY house.
14:43 FYI, arbitration is not the same as mediation. In mediation, the mediator tries to work with the parties to help them reach a settlement, but no one’s required to settle if they don’t get an offer they find acceptable. In arbitration, the arbitrator basically decides the case and the arbitrator’s decision is binding on everyone (it can be overturned in court, but not easily). Basically, mediation is like settlement talks with a neutral third party helping out (which helps a lot more than you’d think), while arbitration is like a far less formal (and less expensive) form of court case-many reality courtroom shows are actually arbitration to avoid the rules that make actual trials less entertaining. OP’s point is that the agreement was for mediation, not arbitration, so no one had to agree to anything they didn’t want to, and the HOA’s apparent belief that the paralegal could rule in their favor was simply wrong.
arbitration is already in the legal circle, there’s an agreement on a contract but not on the details. One side wins, the other loses, but the two parties are still bound by their contract. It’s famous for being done every offseason in baseball
I like how OP's Document was only meant to intimidate the HOA and get their S**t off OP's property, but by signing the Document they gave OP insane privileges and upgraded his' revenge from an A-Class Revenge to a S-Class Revenge
They are handy for managing property features that are held in common between properties such as a pool when none of the properties have much more than 100 ft^2 of dirt for a "yard" or when many buildings share a common exterior, see some townhouses.
There's a few really good ones in Canada, but you have to understand that you're moving into a very nice looking area, and should do your best to meet the standard. Noise issues are rarer here because we have a lot of space, and tend to live pretty far away
They are necessary for managing community resources like a common park or pool or lake or well or something. The trouble starts when they start having opinions on their members personal properties.
I already read this on reddit itself, like 5 times, because it is so delicious. But I was certain I would also love taking it in for a sixth time when read by you!
This. Was. Bloody. AWESOME! Oh man I enjoyed this story so much. Edit: Thinking about this for a moment the thing that set all of this of and made OP sign the first HOA contract was some crazy guy firing a gun at OP's house, this may be a crazy conspiracy theory but I can't help but wonder if that guy was OP's neighbor trying to force OP to sign the contract so he could screw him over because apparently he hated OP.
The idea of a communal park or pool is nice to me, but if a mother fucked tells me I can't paint my house blue because it's not "approved" we are going to fight
HOAs were almost absolutely designed after the end of the Civil War to try and prevent minorities from being able to own houses in neighborhoods, by giving a body headed by existing neighbors the power to enforce arbitrary rules on the entire neighborhood that could be easily fine-tuned to target people who could just barely afford their houses. They really don't need to exist, or their power needs to be significantly rolled back for the good of all people, but due to democratic shenanigans, they're probably not ever going to...
The main reason they exist now is because the home appraisal system is bullshit. The value of your home could be reduced by as much as 10% due to a bad neighbor's home. There would truly be no need for an HOA if your home value wasn't dependent on my home. The idea behind an HOA isn't bad. It's basically: "let's all agree to keep our homes decent so that we don't fuck each other over." The problem is in the administration because people become assholes when you give them a little bit of power.
HOA: We'll offer exemptions for X,Y, and Z Op: Sounds good HOA: HA HA, now that we have XYZ, We don't have to do anything, now pay us Op: Nah, I'm good thanks to (clause) HOA panicked: Um... you don't have to do that, we'll offer exemptions Op: You mean the same ones you tried scamming me out of? Seriously, It was lucky Op split the property, otherwise he would have been stuck in the HOA abiding by their terms. But since they pulled their scam without their research, Op managed to turn it back on them
nah, it would be if he caused a complete implosion and bankruptcy of the HOA and was the direct cause of the HOA scumbag fleeing the country rather than indirect
As a grandson of someone who got screwed over by an OO becoming a shadowy HOA doing everything they can to get money from property owners, this story not only washed my mind, but also gave me many ideas on what to look for whenever they come at me (the property in question was already legally passed on to his heirs, and since my mother passed away, I'm already a legal owner, so any day now we may receive official letters - instead of him, who they always go after singled-out first, just to get the case dismissed or ammended - and I'll be the one dealing the cards...) I could relate the story to so much detail in our case, that I think I'll look for whoever wrote it and see if it isn't the same HOA. That would just be wild...
Good thing the HOA from where I live doesn't enforce what plants to plant, what your number of dogs are, and most definitely they don't enforce one single lool of house. If anyone can see the houses here you can tell that everything lools way different from each other. What we do like about our HOA here is that the street road is now leveled and clean and the sewage is always fixed.
Leaving the HOA alone to suffer his fees is just as good as if he would have dissolved it! They better hope he doesn't have anymore projects he can butcher around his house again! lol
I would definitely want it dissolved all together, but basically having vassals to pay you monthly is definitely a sweet deal. Especially when they were the ones causing drama
Man, when they screwed OP I knew OP would come with a way worse screw up against everyone. I bet that neighbor was the one who made that noise and shot that gun to force OP to sign the document in the first place. But the HOA delcared war with a hand granade while OP literally assembled a nuclear bomb.
they themselves weren’t the bad guys for once, just one obsessed scumbag…he forced them into a terrible deal simply because of one guy trying hard to screw them and him over
@@bostonrailfan2427 Funny how none of them stepped in to stop the bullying and aggression. I don't think you can characterize them as good guys or friends.
I think OP needs to become familiar with the response "oh what a rotten bit of luck" when replying to the HOA's complaints, said in a heavily sarcastic manner, of course. E.g, your dog pond is an eyesore! "Is it? What a rotten bit of luck".
OMG THIS WAS AWWWWESOME!!! I mean you described it perfectly, it was sooo satisfactory! The lesson here is the famous phrase "luck is the combination of preparation and opportunity" She did make a mistake by signing that original HOA contract without reading that they could revoke it. but was lucky with the error in the easement designation in the contract. However, she used it as an opportunity and was used it properly to her advantage. Well done! So, please, please pretty please... NEVER SIGN A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. without a lawyer YOU are paying to explain what you're signing. If you cannot get a lawyer and there a single paragraph you don't understand, DO NOT SIGN!
Whenever I go house shopping, my first question to the Realtor is, "is there an HOA?" If there is, I say, "skip that property and any other property you find that has an HOA, I will not be purchasing property in an HOA, no discussions!"
Could someone please explain to me what the pros are from being part of an HOA? I just don't get the concept of it and why you would want to be part of it
They're not a bad idea on paper. Making sure that homeowners are keeping their property in good repair etc to help keep the property values high (since an eyesore house can potentially reduce your property's value, which costs you money if you decide to sell your house) and to provide for some other neighborhood perks that improve property values. Like paying to make it a gated community. The problem is that power corrupts and so you inevitably have someone get a bit of power and have it go straight to their head (assuming they aren't doing anything else illegal like, embezzling), and the system has few or any checks and balances so unless they piss enough people off to the point where they're motivated to take action... they're free to continue to be their petty dictator.
I have been advising people all of my adult life to NEVER, EVER join any HOA for any reason. The people running HOA's all too often go nuts with malicious intent, fining people, ruining their lives simply because they can.
My GF lived in an HOA when I met her. They were so screwed up. Two oases of a 5 phase development with a shared pool. Except they hadn’t been legal, and really never were, from the time the second phase was built and crated their own illegal HOA instead of adding to the existing one. On reading the legal docs I became a “recognized co owner” as there was no requirement to be in the deed. I then became the HOA chairman (her side) and met with the other side that was trying to get us to pay for a new fence they had had installed around the pool without consulting our Board. When we left they were not happy as they I offered to pay 25% of the fence….. the pool side was the two HOAs but the other side was an outside owner. I told them that the outside owner was responsible for 1/2 and each half of the HOA was responsible for 1/2 of the other half I.e 25%. Then they wanted me to help them recover the other 50% from the outside owner and I said “No, you arbitrarily did it just like you’ve done other things in the past like imposing pool rules, locking the pool, etc. Until it’s uncomfortable or even painful, you’ll keep doing those things. So we are prepared to pay 25% or nothing. They chose nothing for some reason. Shortly after I did a layman’s reserves study. The total assets of the HOA were about $3500 cash and nothing else. No required reserve accounts, no plan for big ticket items the HOA was responsible for. We sold and got out of there FAST
This is why *_ALL_* HOA's, _nation-wide,_ should be required to be voluntary. Even if a previous owner _was_ a member of the HOA, you are not required to join and the HOA cannot contact you in any way and can enforce _nothing_ about *_your_* property.
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I died at: “I reminded him that in 8 days I’d be setting a group of men armed with sledgehammers and anger management issues loose on whatever of theirs was still on my property.” Fucking hero
rslash misreading it as a gorup of armed men with sledgehammers made it even better
@@abebuenodemesquita8111yes 😂😂😂
The HOA president lied and “screwed” the landowner first, by canceling all the agreements they had. I would have never agreed to any of those easement, etc in the first place. However, the landowner had tried to be a good neighbor and the HOA president was not a good neighbor back.
The HOA and the president got what he deserved. As the saying goes,”What comes around go’s around”.
It's, "What goes around comes around." Like Karma, whatever you set in motion will come back to affect you.
Yeah it was pretty clear the HOA president was being the tyrant of his "domain" and though it was impossible for him to be defeated there. Also it seems like he was someone who inherited his wealth and heard their parent or grandparent use the line they used on the OP but never really got the wisdom behind that line, the sloppy copy/paste on the contract suggested as much as you always double check all relevant info on a contract even if you're the one benefiting as a simple error can make the contract null and void.
Then there's the fact when lawyer says "Are you sure you want to sign this" it typically means you need to read what you're signing and not just rely on suing after the fact.
One thing my late dad who was a contract lawyer taught me and my brother was that you always check before you sign anything since by signing you accept the terms of the contract and courts (mind I do not live in the US but as far as I understand this true there too) won't just give you better contract because you thought the original was "unfair". Only exceptions being contracts that are considered "unjust" (what this means depends, but for example a contract cannot demand something that's literally impossible or illegal) and even then the contract is just declared void.
honestly Im surprised the exemptions could be retracted in the first place, that was part of the terms of the deal and part of the reason it was accepted in the first place, if I was involved in that I would make sure the contract has the exemptions immutable and in writing, and including exemptions from any future additional restrictions. HOA president proved why Im never living in another HOA community real quick, can't trust HOAs or the people in them to be even somewhat reasonable, if anything I swear my non HOA neighbors are nicer than any HOA ones Ive had, probably because we all just want to live our lives
@@refraggedbean Yea, I was floored a judge upheld the retroactive shenanigans. That should be flat out illegal. You don't get to change a contract once it's been signed. If that's legal, then contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on. Now...if the HOA had voted to change the rules, then I might understand, but NOT retroactively.
I hate HOA's. I've never heard of a good one.
"I have no idea what I did to him" was actually correct, Rslash, it wasn't sarcastic. His neighbour started this whole thing out of nothing but the OP finished it.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the former HOA president hired someone to scare the tenet, it would fit, with how he acted so far, albeit it would be a bit of a stretch.
@@emerybaty3113 wtf
This wasn't even malicious compliance. It was more like almost nuclear revenge for them trying to screw over OP lol.
@@SkyEcho751 I was thinking the same thing. Bet he paid the guard to shoot outside their window to get them to join the hoa.
@@SkyEcho751 I actually agree. All the years that OP lived there, nothing like that has ever happened until AFTER the HOA started and was unsuccessful in getting OP to join.
This is the greatest story I've ever heard. I heard a story once where some guy had bought a house in a new subdivision, and when the developer told him about the HOA he'd created, the purchaser realized he was the only member -- and after reading the bylaws, he called an emergency meeting and dissolved it on the spot
“Your proposal sounds unfair”
So does altering a deal one sided the moment after it’s made.
Don't forget that it turns out they very much intended to sue the moment the easement was secured.
Darth Kevin: I have altered the bargain. Pray i don't alter it any further
OP: I have the high ground
Darth Kevin: You underestimate my lawyer!
OP: Don’t try it.
Darth Kevin: Ahhhhhhhah
it’s not his fault that he didn’t do his research…for someone so obsessed with that property, he should have done a simple search if property records before fooling around with the law
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They really need to outlaw HOAs.
I don’t even know how HOAs are legal at all. In a free country how tf can you not do whatever tf you want with your own property?? I should be able to build a freaking circus on my land and then knock it down and leave it that way if I wanted to. It’s my land that I paid for
@@RealNaisuCinema because people are also free to associate and you sign HOA contract to live in the area. If you dont like it move elsewhere. I think its fair its just power often corrupts so stuff like this happens
@@Ja_Mes it’s not fair to tell someone that they can’t buy land that you don’t even own unless you join their cult I mean association
@@RealNaisuCinema yeah it is because the group of people living there already agreed upon the rules. Its not like you cant buy land elsewhere
@@Ja_Mes did you even pay attention to the video?? He was there before the HOA clown. Not to mention just because the people on THEIR land agreed to some rules doesn’t mean the person buying land near them has to kneel at their feet and pay them a tax to live there. “Live somewhere else” as if HOAs aren’t all over the place.
I literally had a shudder of pure euphoria whenever the OP whipped out his GOD CONTRACT
Man I would love to once in my life encounter a contract like that!
@@center4nerds Just don't accidentally sign it!
@@center4nerds depends if it’s you on the other side of it
Kyubey: Contract?
Not a lawyer, but I bet the paralegal was right that the contract wouldn't hold up. But, I definitely think OP had a good strategy. As long as they don't mess with the HOA further I bet OP comes out on top in the long.
I shouldn't be but I'm mind blown at how badly the HOA tried to utterly, immediately bulldoze OP for the mistake of showing them trust and good will. It's like the kinds of folks who run these things can't help themselves. Always good to hear of a case where they were made to regret it.
good neighbours don't form HOAs ... they let others be.
I don't know why but I can help but think that the HOA neighbor shot the gun to scare them into joining the HOA
A good number of people in the comments on Reddit agree with you.
Absolutely. Neighbor 00 was way too happy after OP signed in for that to be a random incident. Who gets happy over random shootings in the neighborhood?
@@phane00 Yes. He had everything planned out. He even said they have been wanting to build the wall for a while but couldn't. And where was the guard? He didn't see anything?
@@aliciasanders5561 Yep, and they couldn't use the HOA contract to "take" his land if he didn't sign in. Sounds like the president was manipulating everyone to get this HOA off the ground just to screw himself into the ground in the end.
I agree that seemed all too coincidental, but depending on where this story takes place drunken idiots or people high on something shooting guns randomly into the night isn’t uncommon. It could have been a real incident.
Finally, a malicious compliance story, that doesn`t just end with "yeah, in half a year i heard that they got fired". This dude did it himself and made the lives of those goblins a living hell, so good
The dude’s tenants get the benefits of a prim and proper, nice looking quiet neighborhood, while also not having to listen to the Karen’s that live in it. Being apart of it and experiencing it, but not actually apart of it.
He’s made himself (or, rather his property) a golden egg, plus he gets monthly payments!
I’d totally rent from him. (He should have no shortages of renters)
He got to have his cake and eat it too! This was so satisfying.
Seriously. Hey OP, what's your address? I'm looking for a nice place to live... (lol)
Absolutely loved every minute of this. I once worked as the Foreman of the team of contractural gardeners for an HOA in England and we managed to silently, "Get one over on them", on many occasions by sticking to their own stupid rules. Came to the conclusion that HOA stands for "House Of Arseholes". Relish every victory anywhere, against such narrow minded selfish, entitled people.
There is nothing I love more than a nasty, meddling, HOA getting screwed over. The only thing that could have made it even better, was if the HOA had also damaged some 30 year-old oak tree's on OP's property.
TreeLaw orgasm right there lol
Even funnier: Australia is such a good choice of countries to live in he would wonder why he didn't do it sooner!
HOA's are a good example of "you will own nothing". Anyone part of an HOA like that ( maybe I only hear the bad stories) can never talk about property rights, personal property, personal liberty, they don't believe in it.
I hate HOA’s so much, that was the best HOA story I’ve ever heard
I've never heard anything good about HOAs but all I really know about them is stories like this so...
They’re good HOAs just like there are good managers
@@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072 did u mean good Kerans
@@themarveldude9317 yeah like good Karens that go fetch the manager when the waiter is making black people pay before their meal because they are *_hiGH riSk!_*
come on man, the one where the HOA stole the house of a old man and he, in retribution, executes in cold blood 2 board members during a meeting is still my favourite. It's basically the reason you have the second amendment
The malicious compliance of 'the HOA is responsible for keeping the property up to HOA standards' was so satisfying. I was as giddy as a kid on Christmas
Rslash excitedly 'spoiling' the ending was such a mood
How?
R/slash is a mood. Lol.
A “mood” wtf ew
It was adorable.
the moment when you get all the birthday presents you wanted and then you get this one present "which is payed by everyone"
this is what I felt when hearing the last part
This actually reminds of a thing i did in college. I rented an apartment, and the company that managed the property sent me a rental contract in the mail. I had heard from another student at the university that these property management types never really double checked their documents. The last page only had about 1/6th of it used up, so i used MS word to add a couple things to the last page of contract. I included a pet clause (i would pay 10$ extra per month for pets, not including my service dog, and the amount did not increase per pet) and i would be allowed to have my own washer and dryer in my unit due to my student nursing work meaning i would either be in class, or at work while the basement was unlocked for access to the laundry room there (they locked it at night, because drug addicts would steal the chemicals)
I also added a bit having a designated parking spot in the lot, for an additional cost of 10$ per month. I wasnt trying to screw them over completely. And that actually worked in my favor, i got a phone call, and the property manager was actually having giggle fits over what i added. He accepted the new terms, but told me to bring it up in person next time. He even added that i was free to ask his wife, who lived in the building with him, to watch my service dog if i couldnt take her with me for any reason.
i mean, i TRIED to pull a fast one, but this was a smaller rental management business, and the guy was actually really great. When his son took over, i moved out because the whole thing turned to shit. My new landlord insisted i call her MeeMaw, and i swear, she got me to put on 60 pounds in the first year i was living in her upstairs inlaw apartment. I had always struggled with weight gain, but this woman made food you could not refuse.
You: I’m trying to be nice!
Judge: you have attempted to do a legal niceness. This court remands you to a MeeMaw!
I can't believe one 17min story went by so quick and entertaining lol
Wait... Was it seriously 17 minutes long? I didn't even notice XD
I know, it felt more like a couple of minutes
I know....I was like, cool, next sotry........wait, no next story.....17 MINUTES!!!! Time DOES fly when you're having fun. LOL
Had me on the edge of my seat the entire time lol
Omfg I was meant to sleep. Felt like 3 mins
I met a trucker who owned some farm land surrounded by a country road. He had a dirt drive that people in a housing tract used to save a half mile loop around his land. He had no problem till he learned that if he allowed unlimited use he'd lose title to that piece of land, so he had to close the drive one day a year.
So he for one day he put up a big locked chain closing their shortcut. One of the citizens called the police, when he refused to open the drive the cop cut the chain and arrested the owner. In the south he called the county constable for help. Due to the fact that the cop had taken the innocent man on his own land the officer was in the wrong. Constables are over the regular policemen.
The matter was solved when it was agreed that the city cops would use their cars to block the drive, closing it one day a year. He retained control of the property and everyone was happy.
This reminds me of that George Carlin joke, "Think of how stupid the average person is, then realize half of them are stupider than that!"
Are we stupid too? Or at least am I...?
@@blackneos940 Not sure about stupid, but I'm really fucking dumb.
❤George❤
This is why Democracy, while nice on paper, doesn’t actually produce positive results. Hard to solve problems by popular vote when half the population is too stupid to see a problem exists.
@@DirtPoorWargamer alright, I’ll take the bait, what do you propose
I remember when my uncle convinced almost everyone in my old neighborhood to build a ham radio tower in their backyard to piss of the HOA it pissed the living shit out of my HOA that they would get on anyone for even the smallest thing but eventually the HOA went away which was a blessing
This story must be shared. People always mention the ham radio towers but never any stories about doing it.
As someone whose dad was an HOA manager growing up, I cannot tell you how happy this story made me. They had it coming.
This has to be the greatest HOA story I've ever heard, I really hate them. They attacked him through lies and deception. He came back and nuked them it was like he hit them with a photon torpedo. This was so amazing and you told it so well that I actually wanted more. Your videos are so entertaining to watch.
This story warms the cockles of my heart. I love it. I *_HATE_* HOA's. Having to sign an HOA agreement when buying house is an absolute deal breaker for me. "Oh, I have to sign the HOA rules to purchase the home? Ok. Find another patsy. Because I won't be a member of an HOA *AT ALL, PERIOD.*
17:22 “And you screwing your neighbors over, and over, and over again.” - rSlash 2021
Listening to house stories it always reminds me, NEVER get a house thats apart of HOA!
Fr! It’s like every person that’s in a HOA is a Karen!
@Squid Game 🅥 not incorrect but shut up
I think they advantages are definitely outweighed by the disadvantages, but it’s difficult to find a home in my area that isn’t part of an HOA unless you want to live in the boonies.
Sadly you don't always have a choice. Very very very very very sadly...
are HOA’s only in America…? I’ve never heard of them being here in Australia so genuine question haha
The funniest HOA meme I have seen was just a simple statement: A group of karens is called an HOA. Pure gold that.
It seems that every HOA is toxic. I never really dealt with an HOA before, until I moved into my new apartment. We had some rips in our screens so they had us send them out to get fixed (they paid for it) then they sent us a fine for not having screens. Our landlord took care of it. Recently they told us we need to remove the cable/internet lines coming out of our apartment, going into the ground, hidden by bushes, not bothering anyone. We told our landlord we weren't going to do that, unless they pay for them to moved somewhere else. Haven't heard anything since.
There probably are many non-toxic HOAs, it's just that a HOA is good when it limits itself to taking care of the common areas and any conformity standards are just the the bare minimum and barely intrusive at all for the people who live there. Thus they are basically invisible and certainly don't into the news. Some of the people living there might not even quite realize they have a HOA save for the dues, and even that might get missed if they do the paying of bills more or less on autopilot.
Here's an example of a good HOA (IE. mine). All grounds work is paid for, all exterior maintenence is covered, the roofs on all townhouses is budgeted for to be replaced every 17 years or when needed, all road work is covered, gated security is covered, HOA even went and sued the roofer that originally built the propertyu on the owners behalf due to defects discovered in construction. I find that HOA management companies are the best, no petty little lords who want to rule a fief, just usually a normal corporate governance for a fee.
We just moved into a home with an HOA after terrible experiences owning a non-HOA home (it was a nightmare to sell). We did a lot of research and found a very reasonable and small rules HOA. So far, we have been extremely lucky.
Contractu: a minor god that takes the form of a neighbor, boss or manager that will tell people who are struggling with a issue under contract to check said contract. Any incident that Contractu interferes with will ultimately end with the the given person winning in any and all legal actions and will end in a feeling of extreme satisfaction
Is there anything more delicious than seeing a predatory HOA get obliterated by the range rules they use to terrorize their members?
Now he needs to come obliterate the HOA that keeps harrassing my mom about the fence that keeps her dog from running away.
Dude was a straight up baller lmao
Never sign a contract without having a lawyer help you look over it
And even then read it at least twice and let your family look at it as well. Pays to be as vigilant as possible.
Listening to rslash regularly over the last year has taught me that the two most toxic things in modern society are Instagram and HOAs.
and the purest things are puppy bloopers and tree law
and kittens and puppies. So pure.
Nah, the two most toxic things are Twitter and false racist acts.
I already heard this story before- but RSlash eagerly going "OH OH- I KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN!!!" was well worth the watch xD
The president of the HOA was the one that scared that tenant to force OP to join the HOA and the rest. It was the president or someone he hired. So I'm glad he got what was coming to him.
Yeah, I agree that he was an UTTER Prick. I feel like his vendetta with the OP was because he refused to join the HoA in the first place.
Yea, this was so obvious I'm surprised OP didn't call them on it. I'd have just set up security cameras and made sure the HOA, and more importantly my tenants, knew I suspected their board.
My favorite part about the HOA story is the revelation the the mad king of the HOA had been dethroned! Hallelujah, the old king is dead!
That judge is completely wrong. It is illegal to alter contracts without both parties agreeing. This would make the contract void at the violators expense.
It may not have been mentioned in the story, but the contract itself may have had a fine print clause, which is why it was technically legal in this case. I mean this story covered a number of years, I'm sure it's not 100% of the details involved, just the majority overview.
@@Vincent_Beers, I'd guess you're right about the fine print. Simple piece of wisdom for any contract, the finer the print, the closer you should look at it.
I could imagine a fine print going something like "This contact may only be amended or repealed in accordance with, and in the manner provided for, the HOA Charter", and then said charter has a provision to amend such contracts with a majority vote during a meeting. Something like that!
Contracts and TOS often say they can be modified at any time without advanced notice, and that they merely have to notify you of the changes. Go read some. This website has one like that.
@@VndNvwYvvSvv Any illegal clauses in a contract are null and void even when signed to. Example, you can’t be a slave legally even if you sign a contract. So, just because it’s in the TOS or contract still doesn’t make it legal.
Well folks, we just saw it: The devil lives in an HOA and even HE hates them!
This is just one more reason why I would _never_ live in a HOA community.
HOAs sound like tiny world of practicing fascism
My "hoa" is just some guy that takes donations for snow and fixing up the entrance, completely optional. It's 20 dollars per year.
STILL not worth joining that HOA. Give the guy $20 on the side if you wan to pitch in, don’t make it a HOA donation though.
A peaceful HOA has the power to devolve into tyranny. Fuck hoas
my current home is in a really weird spot, we live in two counties at once, we are physically inside of the hoas area, but due to weird government zoning our home is part of a separate county from the hoa and so they can’t do shit to us. best thing since sliced bread
Now I'm wondering if that OO guy was the one who pulled off the pewpewpew incidents to deliberately spook said tenants, to convince OP to sign his HOA.
When we were looking for a house a few years ago, I found a really nice one, very close to a school in a nice neighborhood. I asked the realtor if there was an HOA, and he said there was one when the subdivision was built, but the homeowners dissolved it 20 years prior. I knew this was the neighborhood for me, and we bought the house.
hope you don't have to put up with scummy neighbors who let their home go to *garbage*, don't mow their lawn, and pile garbage in their front and back yards. Perhaps even drive a car onto their lawn--how would you like that?
@@aeroeng22 Nope! Everyone maintains their house nicely, because they *want* to, not because they are *forced* to.
@Scott Prost-Domasky - Are you nuts? The HOA neighborhood I unfortunately live in looks far worse than the non-HOA neighborhood just one street over. HOAs are breeding grounds for petty tyrants and vicious narcissists.
@@aeroeng22 why are you in someone else’s business? Unless its actually harmful to you or another neighbor it’s literally not your responsibility to care. Just focus on your own shit and you’ll have nothing to worry about
@@aeroeng22 lkr, I mean, someone drives a car onto their lawn and it's just so hard to cope with the trauma.
A HOA is Not a Money Making Business. Yes, it needs to have Money to Pay for Upkeep for things. But a HOA is All Voluntary. There is NO PAY Positions Except for the LAWYER/Law Firm, Lawn Services, Snow Removal Services types. But the Board Members Do Not Get Paid PERIOD. If you are in a HOA and Board Members are Getting PAID. Then Run Away from that HOA, Consider a Class Action Lawsuit then, That HOA is then Corrupt.
This story was so amazing. Probably the best story in a while.
Oh, yeah. This one was amazing. It was worth how long it was.
Remember kids… if you own the land, they can’t MAKE you join the HOA. So don’t, EVER.
OP: Guess it depends on how they treat my tenant and I
Me: FINISH THEM
I mean, I get it. But it was the OO neighbour that started the mess, and created the problem. With him gone, the remaining HOA are just as screwed as OP was by the idiot. I get OP willing to let bygones be bygones as long as the HOA didn't decide to fuck with him again.
@@pingidjit I mean debatably the HOA itself wasn’t the problem it was just the idiot that was the problem
(I’m not vouching for HOAs btw I just wanna make that VERY clear)
OP Wins!
FATALITY!
To paraphrase my favorite RUclips lawyer, Steve Lehto. Signing a document means that you READ it, you UNDERSTAND it and you AGREE with it. If you didn't READ it, why did you sign it? If you READ it but didn't UNDERSTAND it, why did you sign it? If you READ it and UNDERSTOOD it but didn't AGREE with it, WHY...DID...YOU...SIGN...IT?
power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely- John Dalberg-Acton. I would be amazed to hear a "good" story about an HOA
At best they are useless and do nothing. Then there's most of them that are annoying and run by either corrupt jerks trying to scam money and/or bored old people with nothing better to do with their time than nitpicking over nonsense.
things going well don't usually give people cause to report on the situation. Unless the HoA does something amazingly generous, people won't think about it much
Story: Starts with malicious compliance, ends in nuclear revenge and destruction.
Every day I'm thankful that HOAs aren't a thing where I live ☺️☺️
Yeah, they seem to only exist in America, the land of the no accessible healthcare.
Also nice, 69 likes 😏
Only in the land of the free would people volunteer to be ruled over by the tyrannical abomination that are HOAs, and then get upset when they get fined for every little thing. Did I say land of the free? I meant land of the incompetent.
@@avega2792 Land of the incompetent and unaffordable healthcare
They are *free* to do what they want
I don’t know what that judge was smoking but you can’t just break contracts with no penalties
HOA: *complains*
OP: You've activated my trap card! Behold, Legally Binding Agreement!
I LOVE how r/Slash got sooo giddy over that one part of the story, I too figured out around that time 😂
Moral of the Story: Never, ever, ever, ever join an HOA. I have yet to find one that was good in any fashion.
HOA's are nothing more than tiny Communist Dictatorships, telling you, You can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do this, you can't do that. If you love your freedom to do whatever on your property and house, A wise thing to do, like you said, Never, ever ever ever join and or live in an HOA.
For readers in the US: We should run OP for office. If he’d accept a nomination. Honesty, sense, persistence and a sense of humor are a rare combination of traits; we can use most of them at any time. True story or fiction, it’s good stuff!
HOA are a pain in the ass. It seems like the people running them are always on a power trip. They went after my mom over a couple of dandelions. My mom pointed out that the big area next to her house with a walking path through it, had hundreds of dandelions. And that the HOA should take care of those dandelions before going after her. Because that’s where all the dandelion seeds were coming from.
I don't even know why people hate dandelions, it's just flowers, same with clover and a few other things that might grow in a lawn, why does it matter if it's 100% grass? I swear I think I'd end up just building a border around the yard and calling it a flower bed, and if I want grass between my flowers and clover patches, that's just the variety I like.
Why not have grass and flowers mixed? Nice green instead of dirt under and around the flower.
@@Vincent_Beers actually they’re classified as weeds
@@ninjaked1265 That's really a matter of point of view.
"Traditionally, a weed is defined as any plant growing where it is not wanted. "
It may be a weed in an otherwise trimmed lawn.
In a patch of wild land, it is not.
"My tenant got an HOA warning about his dogs barking"
HOA's sucking all around aside... dogs bark. It's what they do. It's in their nature. In my neighborhood there's a dog at almost every house. Every afternoon, 6 days a week, all you hear is a cacophony of barking when the mailman walks through.
I'm pretty sure those gun sounds the tenant heard in the middle of the night was the neighbor trying to scare them into compliance and sadly it worked, but good on OP for flipping the script on them
No way would I sign my independence away to some degenerates who want to control me
"Get it up to HOA standards"
"They told him they'd get it done..."
I just imagined the most hollow sounding, soulless, through gritted teeth way of saying: "Yeah... We'll get it done..."
This is so rare in The Netherlands... Home Owners Associations and the like are barely a thing for as far as I know. Im glad about that too. I'd never agree to someone telling me what to do with MY property and MY house.
perfect blend of Malicious compliance and pro revenge
This is teaming on nuclear revenge with how he ruined the president.
I agree with Andrew. It’s both Malicious Compliance and Nuclear Revenge.
@@zedekiahstephens4161 Skip the malicious... it was rapid-fire nuclear!!!
OP: “this was never part of our agreement”
The HOA: “I have altered to deal, pray I do not alter it any further”
OP:"It's treason then"
The man is a damn genius with luck by his side on his just quest to take a hoa down a lot of pegs.
Op could literally take the HOA off the damn clothesline if he wanted to.
He took the whole pegboard!
I loved that HOA story. The one thing I hate more than anything are intrusive and nosy HOA's
14:43 FYI, arbitration is not the same as mediation. In mediation, the mediator tries to work with the parties to help them reach a settlement, but no one’s required to settle if they don’t get an offer they find acceptable. In arbitration, the arbitrator basically decides the case and the arbitrator’s decision is binding on everyone (it can be overturned in court, but not easily). Basically, mediation is like settlement talks with a neutral third party helping out (which helps a lot more than you’d think), while arbitration is like a far less formal (and less expensive) form of court case-many reality courtroom shows are actually arbitration to avoid the rules that make actual trials less entertaining.
OP’s point is that the agreement was for mediation, not arbitration, so no one had to agree to anything they didn’t want to, and the HOA’s apparent belief that the paralegal could rule in their favor was simply wrong.
arbitration is already in the legal circle, there’s an agreement on a contract but not on the details. One side wins, the other loses, but the two parties are still bound by their contract. It’s famous for being done every offseason in baseball
I like how OP's Document was only meant to intimidate the HOA and get their S**t off OP's property, but by signing the Document they gave OP insane privileges and upgraded his' revenge from an A-Class Revenge to a S-Class Revenge
Are there any HOAs that are good? They all seem to range from being a nuisance to nearly criminal
They are handy for managing property features that are held in common between properties such as a pool when none of the properties have much more than 100 ft^2 of dirt for a "yard" or when many buildings share a common exterior, see some townhouses.
There's a few really good ones in Canada, but you have to understand that you're moving into a very nice looking area, and should do your best to meet the standard. Noise issues are rarer here because we have a lot of space, and tend to live pretty far away
All HOA are bad
Theoretically there might be, but they are an inherently toxic concept designed for racism
They are necessary for managing community resources like a common park or pool or lake or well or something. The trouble starts when they start having opinions on their members personal properties.
Canceling the exemptions means canceling the house being part of the HOA.
I already read this on reddit itself, like 5 times, because it is so delicious. But I was certain I would also love taking it in for a sixth time when read by you!
No, They Said In The Post That It Was For Their Mother. It'd Make Sense To Have Enough For A House.
This story needs to become a TV mini series
This. Was. Bloody. AWESOME! Oh man I enjoyed this story so much.
Edit: Thinking about this for a moment the thing that set all of this of and made OP sign the first HOA contract was some crazy guy firing a gun at OP's house, this may be a crazy conspiracy theory but I can't help but wonder if that guy was OP's neighbor trying to force OP to sign the contract so he could screw him over because apparently he hated OP.
@@benjiro8793 No kidding, I am super glad that my country doesn't have HOA's.
That's what I was thinking.
I had the same crazy conspiracy theory as you immediately upon hearing that part of the story.
@@HairyHariyama Yeah really makes you wonder doesn't it.
OP's dead mother's plot of land just saved OP and the tenant.
Heaven is watching.
LOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I will never understand why HOA’s exist, they’re terrible ideas
I’m really glad OP kicked ass
Its a democratic system, which means sooner or later dicks will get to the top and start exploiting it.
The idea of a communal park or pool is nice to me, but if a mother fucked tells me I can't paint my house blue because it's not "approved" we are going to fight
HOAs were almost absolutely designed after the end of the Civil War to try and prevent minorities from being able to own houses in neighborhoods, by giving a body headed by existing neighbors the power to enforce arbitrary rules on the entire neighborhood that could be easily fine-tuned to target people who could just barely afford their houses.
They really don't need to exist, or their power needs to be significantly rolled back for the good of all people, but due to democratic shenanigans, they're probably not ever going to...
The main reason they exist now is because the home appraisal system is bullshit. The value of your home could be reduced by as much as 10% due to a bad neighbor's home. There would truly be no need for an HOA if your home value wasn't dependent on my home.
The idea behind an HOA isn't bad. It's basically: "let's all agree to keep our homes decent so that we don't fuck each other over." The problem is in the administration because people become assholes when you give them a little bit of power.
@@MalekitGJ My default position is that all elected officials are sociopaths.
HOA: We'll offer exemptions for X,Y, and Z
Op: Sounds good
HOA: HA HA, now that we have XYZ, We don't have to do anything, now pay us
Op: Nah, I'm good thanks to (clause)
HOA panicked: Um... you don't have to do that, we'll offer exemptions
Op: You mean the same ones you tried scamming me out of?
Seriously, It was lucky Op split the property, otherwise he would have been stuck in the HOA abiding by their terms. But since they pulled their scam without their research, Op managed to turn it back on them
That sounds more like Nuclearrevenge, great story either way.
More like high ground.
nah, it would be if he caused a complete implosion and bankruptcy of the HOA and was the direct cause of the HOA scumbag fleeing the country rather than indirect
As a grandson of someone who got screwed over by an OO becoming a shadowy HOA doing everything they can to get money from property owners, this story not only washed my mind, but also gave me many ideas on what to look for whenever they come at me (the property in question was already legally passed on to his heirs, and since my mother passed away, I'm already a legal owner, so any day now we may receive official letters - instead of him, who they always go after singled-out first, just to get the case dismissed or ammended - and I'll be the one dealing the cards...) I could relate the story to so much detail in our case, that I think I'll look for whoever wrote it and see if it isn't the same HOA. That would just be wild...
Good thing the HOA from where I live doesn't enforce what plants to plant, what your number of dogs are, and most definitely they don't enforce one single lool of house. If anyone can see the houses here you can tell that everything lools way different from each other. What we do like about our HOA here is that the street road is now leveled and clean and the sewage is always fixed.
I cackled so hard when OP said that they had only used the split portion of his property in the documents. What a freaking rookie move.
Leaving the HOA alone to suffer his fees is just as good as if he would have dissolved it! They better hope he doesn't have anymore projects he can butcher around his house again! lol
I would definitely want it dissolved all together, but basically having vassals to pay you monthly is definitely a sweet deal. Especially when they were the ones causing drama
Man, when they screwed OP I knew OP would come with a way worse screw up against everyone. I bet that neighbor was the one who made that noise and shot that gun to force OP to sign the document in the first place. But the HOA delcared war with a hand granade while OP literally assembled a nuclear bomb.
At last! A positive HOA story.
As in "positively annihilating an HOA" story?
they themselves weren’t the bad guys for once, just one obsessed scumbag…he forced them into a terrible deal simply because of one guy trying hard to screw them and him over
@@bostonrailfan2427 Funny how none of them stepped in to stop the bullying and aggression. I don't think you can characterize them as good guys or friends.
🤣🤣🤣 homeboy set himself up to be king of his property and the HOA. Just beautiful, absolutely priceless.
I hope that everyone is having a good Monday!
You too m8
@Squid Game 🅥 oh please SHUT. UP.
You too!
He really took “I’m about to end this man’s whole career” to a whole other level with that contract 🤯
HOA being taken down? (Rubs hands in anticipation)
they weren’t, just bent over a barrel because of an ultra-Karen scumbag
I think OP needs to become familiar with the response "oh what a rotten bit of luck" when replying to the HOA's complaints, said in a heavily sarcastic manner, of course. E.g, your dog pond is an eyesore! "Is it? What a rotten bit of luck".
Malicious compliance, my favourite kind of compliance
I hope this is a true story because if it is, it’s my absolute favourite HOA tale!
Hey all! Hope y'all's Monday is as good as possible!
It is! I’m happy
@@alansartrignot im glad!
ooo i was the 8th comment
You too!
"Sorry guys, you're being overthrown". That HOA story is the best I have ever heared.
I'm home sick today but listening to rslash helps a lot to not feel guilty lol
Same! Get well soon!
Why the hell would you feel guilty about being sick ? Were you liking metro handrails ?
@@auronheimdall1072 no I have an upset stomach cuz I drank expired milk
In my defense it didn't taste that bad and Im not willing to waste money
@@dann_istoomuch Oooh that makes so much more sense !
OMG THIS WAS AWWWWESOME!!! I mean you described it perfectly, it was sooo satisfactory!
The lesson here is the famous phrase "luck is the combination of preparation and opportunity" She did make a mistake by signing that original HOA contract without reading that they could revoke it. but was lucky with the error in the easement designation in the contract. However, she used it as an opportunity and was used it properly to her advantage. Well done!
So, please, please pretty please... NEVER SIGN A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G. without a lawyer YOU are paying to explain what you're signing. If you cannot get a lawyer and there a single paragraph you don't understand, DO NOT SIGN!
This is the most amazing HOA story I have EVER heard. Holy crap! That is amazing.
Whenever I go house shopping, my first question to the Realtor is, "is there an HOA?" If there is, I say, "skip that property and any other property you find that has an HOA, I will not be purchasing property in an HOA, no discussions!"
I don't say this often.... This needs to be made into a movie!! Epic story!
*BY FAR MY FAVORITE HOA STORY of all time! As for Dirt-Bag HOA President, "OO", you really "hoisted him on his own petard"!* 👏✍🖖
Could someone please explain to me what the pros are from being part of an HOA? I just don't get the concept of it and why you would want to be part of it
managing community property like a common pool or lake. best to let their rights of government start and stop with the common properties though.
They're not a bad idea on paper. Making sure that homeowners are keeping their property in good repair etc to help keep the property values high (since an eyesore house can potentially reduce your property's value, which costs you money if you decide to sell your house) and to provide for some other neighborhood perks that improve property values. Like paying to make it a gated community.
The problem is that power corrupts and so you inevitably have someone get a bit of power and have it go straight to their head (assuming they aren't doing anything else illegal like, embezzling), and the system has few or any checks and balances so unless they piss enough people off to the point where they're motivated to take action... they're free to continue to be their petty dictator.
I have been advising people all of my adult life to NEVER, EVER join any HOA for any reason. The people running HOA's all too often go nuts with malicious intent, fining people, ruining their lives simply because they can.
This was 100% worth it! I love that rSlash got excited when he saw the paddling pool's coming conclusion! XD Worth it.
My GF lived in an HOA when I met her. They were so screwed up. Two oases of a 5 phase development with a shared pool.
Except they hadn’t been legal, and really never were, from the time the second phase was built and crated their own illegal HOA instead of adding to the existing one.
On reading the legal docs I became a “recognized co owner” as there was no requirement to be in the deed.
I then became the HOA chairman (her side) and met with the other side that was trying to get us to pay for a new fence they had had installed around the pool without consulting our Board.
When we left they were not happy as they I offered to pay 25% of the fence….. the pool side was the two HOAs but the other side was an outside owner. I told them that the outside owner was responsible for 1/2 and each half of the HOA was responsible for 1/2 of the other half I.e 25%.
Then they wanted me to help them recover the other 50% from the outside owner and I said “No, you arbitrarily did it just like you’ve done other things in the past like imposing pool rules, locking the pool, etc.
Until it’s uncomfortable or even painful, you’ll keep doing those things. So we are prepared to pay 25% or nothing.
They chose nothing for some reason.
Shortly after I did a layman’s reserves study. The total assets of the HOA were about $3500 cash and nothing else. No required reserve accounts, no plan for big ticket items the HOA was responsible for.
We sold and got out of there FAST
Oh this was just brilliantly done. Brava OP, Brava!
This is why *_ALL_* HOA's, _nation-wide,_ should be required to be voluntary. Even if a previous owner _was_ a member of the HOA, you are not required to join and the HOA cannot contact you in any way and can enforce _nothing_ about *_your_* property.