I compared the Patrol Pack to a Kelty Redwing 50 (similar to the MAP 3500) at a local store and the difference in construction is pretty big. I get the sense that while the lighter Kelty pack would be durable, the Hazard 4 product feels like it would last much longer. I didn't find the zippers on the Patrol inferior to the zippers on the Kelty, quite the opposite. Feature wise the Patrol had more features that flex it into multiple rolls. I have the Hazard 4 Plan B and it is holding up well, so I think the Patrol would too. I have owned Kelty products for many years and they are good too, but no way superior to what I've seen out of the Plan B. Great review as are all your reviews, but I think the Hazard 4 product is better than the Kelty in this case.
I have the evac plan B and even though its a little on the pricey side I love the design features and the way its setup, its my EDC bag and I literally carry it everytime I leave my house, its been aprox 8months now of being stuffed and carried everyday. my only complaint on it so far is that some of the stitching in the MOLLE is coming undone. But the features of my evac have me looking into more Hazard4 products to invest my money in. This patrol pack is most likely going to become my go to war/ camping bag. -- Thanks for the vid, good info.
I have serious doubts that you've ever actually used this pack. I have three different Hazard 4 packs and they are extremely durable. In fact I put them through hell and they look brand new. Certainly worth every penny.
As far as price goes, don't discount the cost difference between 500D and 1000D Cordura. Also, anything molded (the protective pouch on the front, the backing, etc) costs more. The PAL webbing is also more robust on Hazard 4 than other items. From a "birds eye" view, I can understand the complaint about the price, but once you get in close, there are really many, many small changes that justify the price difference. This doesn't mean the backpack's not expensive, just that the extra price is understandable given the features. Generally speaking, Hazard 4 just strikes me as made better.
Very comprehensive review, Capt. Thanks for this one. Aside from the volume capacity, I also feel that the price point is not justified. The material looks a lot less sturdy, and the buckles does seem to disengage quite easily. Thanks.
I have the Hazard 4 Defense Diagonal Messenger. Paid about $150 Canadian for it. I can honestly say that out of all the bags I've ever owned, it's my favorite. There are a couple things I'm not happy about with it, but you can't always get everything you want.I also own some of the smaller Hazard 4 pouches including the Mil Koala, Big Koala and Crazy Koala, and the Broadside and Molle Lens Case that I use for me 32oz Nalgene. They're all great pouches. The Lens case is good for whatit was intended for (large camera zoom lenses) and has some good padding, a tough shape insert and is reinforced really well for it's shape. It'll protect lenses really well. It sucks for water botles though. Too large. The Broadside is a great little pouch. I just wish that it had some kind of frame inside to make it hold a shape.You are right about the prices of this stuff though. It's pretty expensive for stuff made in China.
hi berz, nice honest vid as ever - im torn between the h4 patrol pack and the second front! mind you - the new clerk pack looks cool too. decisions decisions lol cheers bro ;)
Thanks for the vid,I didn't like it because of price & made in China. What do you guys think of the Camelback Motherload? Got the Condor medium assault pack mailed it back to La Police gear,their shoulders & sternum strap were just terrible!
How do you pack your clothing/undergarments? Most videos are usually with "pouches or small packs" on the inside of the bag. Also, where would you place papers, maps or small books for purpose of travel?
They make well designed stuff, but nothing to warrant the heafty price tag. I have the hazard 4 evac takedown pack (I have a review on my channel), I was disappointed to find out they are made overseas. for the price and the options out there in the tactical backpack world, there's no reason not to buy an American made pack
Well now that it's about $159 everywhere (4.5 years after you made this video), how would it compare? It's got heavier duty materials, far more organizational features, the molded back panel that ventilates especially well, and the protective thermo-mold pocket. Glad you mentioned how well it works with a rifle, but wish you had reviewed how it carries with weight over distance...
I was planning to buy it, but what it stoped from buying it is the that thin lining from the 1st compartment and the main compartment and it's soooo thin that it takes a finger nail to make a hole.....what's all that all about?
Chad Groenhout I have more time with the MAP 3500, but I like the way the FLMOP feels on my back better. If I had to pick I would go TT.Just add some shock cord with a cord lock on the front for some extra stowing, which I will be doing soon on a video..
I was so close in buying this pack but the price made me think twice about it. It does have some Great features though, especially the waist belt that can be used by itself. I'd rather buy a falcon 2 for around $110.
Great video as usual! Seems like much more engineering, design, ergo and better materials in the hazard pack. Which would result in a higher price. I agree these companies are definitely taking advantage of consumers but you're comparing a VW to an Audi. Both are very functional but the quality differences (eg 1000 vs 500 nylon) set it a grade above.
500D vs 1000D is a non-issue. It has been proven just as effective as 1000D and that is why the majority of guys in the military are moving too it, lighter but just as effective. Plus 1000D vs 500D is not a $40 price difference. I disagree with that being the reason for the price increase. Also, the materials are not better on the Hazard 4. If this pack went into battle the zippers would break much sooner than the zippers on the TT or Kelty. Just my 2 cents, appreciate the comment.
CaptainBerz This isn't entirely fair. There IS a difference between 500D and 1000D. The question is whether it's necessary. 1000D holds up better, but if 500D is sufficient, then 1000D is overkill (i.e. why buy 1000D if all you need is 500D?). Agreed that it's not a $40 price difference, but there are other features that add to the price. It's also worth noting that none of the packs are sold at cost. If all we looked at was materials, a fair argument could be made that anything over $75 is excessive. Capitalism, baby. That's why the USA is better. ;) PS This is my second comment defending the pack, but I don't want it to seem like I'm some sort of Hazard 4 fan boy (though I probably am). I just think the price difference can be explained. Whether that means the packs is *worth* the price is another question entirely. Just because something costs more, it doesn't mean we actually need all that. (That said, i think the rigid backing is worth the price of admission. Very helpful to keep the back cooler and add some structure. Also good for a laptop if you're so inclined.)
I was wonder if you can help me out though I wanna get some thermo and night vision or just one but I want a good one that an last me long and at a low price and then I don't know how thermo looks like on the inside never held or look at one
It comes down to this, in my opinion, unless you got $5,000 or more to drop on a thermal it is not going to be that great. Have to wait till prices come down, at least I am. ;)
The sternum strap looks so close to your neck also shoulders straps looks to short that backpack looks bad for tall peoples...Great backpack but the metrics is just for medium small guys : (
@@CaptainBerz here's a list of MOLLE Pouches you're missing on the outside of that particular Coyote Colored Hazard 4 Progressive Tactical Gear Pack: some Faded Grayish/Greyish Green AKA Solution Dyed Ranger Green MOLLE Pouches which blends/works surprisingly with Coyote & extra Coyote Brown/Coyote Tan MOLLE Pouches 2 choose ranging from multiple/some Ammo Magazine/SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) Pouches, multiple/some GP (General Purpose) Utility Pouches, 1 Gas Mask Pouch, 1 Electronics/Media Pouch, 1 Compass Pouch, a couple of Hydration Bottle/Canteen Pouches, 1 Grenade Pouch, 1 Flashlight Pouch, 1 Spring Assisted Folding Pocket Knife Pouch, 1 Spring Assisted Folding Pocket Multitool & 1 or 2 Medical Pouches!
Just one thing, why is it so important that something is made in the USA? I think you will find your cellphone wont be made in the USA and as for the quality of your cars..... But I do agree their bags seem over priced.
Not all of them are made in USA - some are made in Taiwan. But it doesn't really matter since even China can make great quality products as long as the idea guys/foreign brands who subcontracted them are willing to pay more.
Really good review you make a lot of good points about the price and the materials being made in the USA is very important I agree with you I subbed your channel please do the same take care Ed
Anyone who uses the words "nice" and "stuff" when reviewing equipment reduces their credibility to that of an airsoft geek as soon as they open their mouths. Absolute DROSS!
Why is it so expensive if it was made over seas? To be honest i don't really care. All i care about is quality. I did get "made in the USA" bag ls before and all kinds of bags from backpacks to slung bags but i love sling bags more. I am a sling bag girl. Point is i had my Hazard 4 Plan B. For about 10 years now? And I'm not gentle with my bag. I used to do Urban exploring i know it may sound cray cray for a girl to go off uban exploring all by myself. But hey if a little asian girl can survive growing up in the projects and living on the streets and had to take care of herself almost all my life. I think i can handle urban exploring. And guess what i just cleand my bag. Not even so much as a thread is out of place. Sure i also haven't been doing much Urban exploring ever since covid hit so a little out of shape Can't really run for as long as i used to with my 20lbs pack. But I'm getting there. No wait? It's been more then 10 years? Well point is i had this bag for a very long time and it definitely out lasted all my other bags and i carry this bag like its my security blanket.
I compared the Patrol Pack to a Kelty Redwing 50 (similar to the MAP 3500) at a local store and the difference in construction is pretty big. I get the sense that while the lighter Kelty pack would be durable, the Hazard 4 product feels like it would last much longer. I didn't find the zippers on the Patrol inferior to the zippers on the Kelty, quite the opposite. Feature wise the Patrol had more features that flex it into multiple rolls. I have the Hazard 4 Plan B and it is holding up well, so I think the Patrol would too. I have owned Kelty products for many years and they are good too, but no way superior to what I've seen out of the Plan B. Great review as are all your reviews, but I think the Hazard 4 product is better than the Kelty in this case.
I have the evac plan B and even though its a little on the pricey side I love the design features and the way its setup, its my EDC bag and I literally carry it everytime I leave my house, its been aprox 8months now of being stuffed and carried everyday. my only complaint on it so far is that some of the stitching in the MOLLE is coming undone. But the features of my evac have me looking into more Hazard4 products to invest my money in. This patrol pack is most likely going to become my go to war/ camping bag. -- Thanks for the vid, good info.
I have serious doubts that you've ever actually used this pack. I have three different Hazard 4 packs and they are extremely durable. In fact I put them through hell and they look brand new. Certainly worth every penny.
As far as price goes, don't discount the cost difference between 500D and 1000D Cordura. Also, anything molded (the protective pouch on the front, the backing, etc) costs more. The PAL webbing is also more robust on Hazard 4 than other items. From a "birds eye" view, I can understand the complaint about the price, but once you get in close, there are really many, many small changes that justify the price difference. This doesn't mean the backpack's not expensive, just that the extra price is understandable given the features. Generally speaking, Hazard 4 just strikes me as made better.
Thorough and honest comparison to competitors, thank you.
Very comprehensive review, Capt. Thanks for this one. Aside from the volume capacity, I also feel that the price point is not justified. The material looks a lot less sturdy, and the buckles does seem to disengage quite easily. Thanks.
Im glad someone reviews gear that has not been reviewed 900 times and twice on some channels. Imported, thats why the zippers suck.
I have the Hazard 4 Defense Diagonal Messenger. Paid about $150 Canadian for it. I can honestly say that out of all the bags I've ever owned, it's my favorite. There are a couple things I'm not happy about with it, but you can't always get everything you want.I also own some of the smaller Hazard 4 pouches including the Mil Koala, Big Koala and Crazy Koala, and the Broadside and Molle Lens Case that I use for me 32oz Nalgene. They're all great pouches. The Lens case is good for whatit was intended for (large camera zoom lenses) and has some good padding, a tough shape insert and is reinforced really well for it's shape. It'll protect lenses really well. It sucks for water botles though. Too large. The Broadside is a great little pouch. I just wish that it had some kind of frame inside to make it hold a shape.You are right about the prices of this stuff though. It's pretty expensive for stuff made in China.
I've been interested in some Hazard 4 stuff and came across your review. Wondering how this has held up over time?
That's a nice pack. Thanks's for the great review also.I like Maxpedition stuff but you've definitely shown me something.
hi berz, nice honest vid as ever - im torn between the h4 patrol pack and the second front!
mind you - the new clerk pack looks cool too.
decisions decisions lol
cheers bro ;)
I changed all my zippers pulls for maxpedition pulls. I have same backpack in black.
Thanks for the vid,I didn't like it because of price & made in China. What do you guys think of the Camelback Motherload? Got the Condor medium assault pack mailed it back to La Police gear,their shoulders & sternum strap were just terrible!
a $209.99 Pack without heavy YKK zippers, that doesn't make any sense ... great review .. many thanks.
OP was incorrect. It does have YKK zippers
i get the feeling that if this had a 'made in the USA' tag you'd be giddy about it.
How do you pack your clothing/undergarments? Most videos are usually with "pouches or small packs" on the inside of the bag. Also, where would you place papers, maps or small books for purpose of travel?
It's $200 because it was made with 1000D cordura where the other was made with 500.
Looks like a well decked out large Alice Pack. I like it.😋
They make well designed stuff, but nothing to warrant the heafty price tag. I have the hazard 4 evac takedown pack (I have a review on my channel), I was disappointed to find out they are made overseas. for the price and the options out there in the tactical backpack world, there's no reason not to buy an American made pack
Tactical Tailor, SOE, ECT ECT, hard to say no to gear that works and is made int he USA.
Well now that it's about $159 everywhere (4.5 years after you made this video), how would it compare? It's got heavier duty materials, far more organizational features, the molded back panel that ventilates especially well, and the protective thermo-mold pocket. Glad you mentioned how well it works with a rifle, but wish you had reviewed how it carries with weight over distance...
It’s a patrol pack, not mean for over distance with crazy weight. Get a Tactical Tailor.
I was planning to buy it, but what it stoped from buying it is the that thin lining from the 1st compartment and the main compartment and it's soooo thin that it takes a finger nail to make a hole.....what's all that all about?
Which do you like more? The Tactical Tailor Modular Operator Pack or the Kelty Map? Why? Thanks for the great vids.
Very difficult. If you want PALS webbing on it go TT, Other than that they are very close.
CaptainBerz Thanks for answering, which do you find yourself reaching for the most?
Chad Groenhout I have more time with the MAP 3500, but I like the way the FLMOP feels on my back better. If I had to pick I would go TT.Just add some shock cord with a cord lock on the front for some extra stowing, which I will be doing soon on a video..
It has YKK zips throughout.
I was so close in buying this pack but the price made me think twice about it. It does have some Great features though, especially the waist belt that can be used by itself. I'd rather buy a falcon 2 for around $110.
Excellent review, thank you! :)
Love your videos. Been watching all of them. Im sure you've said it before, but where do you get all these small item/accessories?
Look in to GORUCK & TRIPLE AUGHT DESIGN.
Great video as usual! Seems like much more engineering, design, ergo and better materials in the hazard pack. Which would result in a higher price. I agree these companies are definitely taking advantage of consumers but you're comparing a VW to an Audi. Both are very functional but the quality differences (eg 1000 vs 500 nylon) set it a grade above.
500D vs 1000D is a non-issue. It has been proven just as effective as 1000D and that is why the majority of guys in the military are moving too it, lighter but just as effective. Plus 1000D vs 500D is not a $40 price difference. I disagree with that being the reason for the price increase. Also, the materials are not better on the Hazard 4. If this pack went into battle the zippers would break much sooner than the zippers on the TT or Kelty. Just my 2 cents, appreciate the comment.
CaptainBerz This isn't entirely fair. There IS a difference between 500D and 1000D. The question is whether it's necessary. 1000D holds up better, but if 500D is sufficient, then 1000D is overkill (i.e. why buy 1000D if all you need is 500D?). Agreed that it's not a $40 price difference, but there are other features that add to the price. It's also worth noting that none of the packs are sold at cost. If all we looked at was materials, a fair argument could be made that anything over $75 is excessive. Capitalism, baby. That's why the USA is better. ;)
PS This is my second comment defending the pack, but I don't want it to seem like I'm some sort of Hazard 4 fan boy (though I probably am). I just think the price difference can be explained. Whether that means the packs is *worth* the price is another question entirely. Just because something costs more, it doesn't mean we actually need all that. (That said, i think the rigid backing is worth the price of admission. Very helpful to keep the back cooler and add some structure. Also good for a laptop if you're so inclined.)
I don't know man. That pack looks hazardous.
Maxpedition is expensive, about same price, but I prefer Hazard 4
I do love a plethora of grab handles, but I wouldn't pay $40 extra for them.
I agree.
Can you wear this sling style at all?
I was wonder if you can help me out though I wanna get some thermo and night vision or just one but I want a good one that an last me long and at a low price and then I don't know how thermo looks like on the inside never held or look at one
It comes down to this, in my opinion, unless you got $5,000 or more to drop on a thermal it is not going to be that great. Have to wait till prices come down, at least I am. ;)
I agree with you if you can buy American made products for the same price or less buy American.
Nice
in your oppinion is it worth 200$
The sternum strap looks so close to your neck also shoulders straps looks to short that backpack looks bad for tall peoples...Great backpack but the metrics is just for medium small guys : (
It reminds me of my maxpedition falcon 2
I do not know Max stuff too much. I will look into that. Thanks
@@CaptainBerz here's a list of MOLLE Pouches you're missing on the outside of that particular Coyote Colored Hazard 4 Progressive Tactical Gear Pack: some Faded Grayish/Greyish Green AKA Solution Dyed Ranger Green MOLLE Pouches which blends/works surprisingly with Coyote & extra Coyote Brown/Coyote Tan MOLLE Pouches 2 choose ranging from multiple/some Ammo Magazine/SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) Pouches, multiple/some GP (General Purpose) Utility Pouches, 1 Gas Mask Pouch, 1 Electronics/Media Pouch, 1 Compass Pouch, a couple of Hydration Bottle/Canteen Pouches, 1 Grenade Pouch, 1 Flashlight Pouch, 1 Spring Assisted Folding Pocket Knife Pouch, 1 Spring Assisted Folding Pocket Multitool & 1 or 2 Medical Pouches!
@@CaptainBerz here's the # of MOLLE Pouches attached 2 the sides that I highly recommend: 4-6-8 or 10!
$104 right now on EBay and Amazon
Just one thing, why is it so important that something is made in the USA? I think you will find your cellphone wont be made in the USA and as for the quality of your cars..... But I do agree their bags seem over priced.
why don't you have hair on your hands? or does it just seem that way? :)
omg. now i can't stop staring
I'll stick to Maxpadition, made in the USA.
I'm not sure that is accurate across their entire line.
Not all of them are made in USA - some are made in Taiwan. But it doesn't really matter since even China can make great quality products as long as the idea guys/foreign brands who subcontracted them are willing to pay more.
stick to my rush 24
Really good review you make a lot of good points about the price and the materials being made in the USA is very important I agree with you I subbed your channel please do the same take care
Ed
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Anyone who uses the words "nice" and "stuff" when reviewing equipment reduces their credibility to that of an airsoft geek as soon as they open their mouths. Absolute DROSS!
Made in China ! No thanks. I'll buy an old school Jansport made in USA on eBay. Thanks for the review
Why is it so expensive if it was made over seas?
To be honest i don't really care. All i care about is quality.
I did get "made in the USA" bag ls before and all kinds of bags from backpacks to slung bags but i love sling bags more.
I am a sling bag girl.
Point is i had my Hazard 4 Plan B.
For about 10 years now?
And I'm not gentle with my bag.
I used to do Urban exploring i know it may sound cray cray for a girl to go off uban exploring all by myself.
But hey if a little asian girl can survive growing up in the projects and living on the streets and had to take care of herself almost all my life. I think i can handle urban exploring.
And guess what i just cleand my bag. Not even so much as a thread is out of place.
Sure i also haven't been doing much Urban exploring ever since covid hit so a little out of shape
Can't really run for as long as i used to with my 20lbs pack. But I'm getting there.
No wait? It's been more then 10 years? Well point is i had this bag for a very long time and it definitely out lasted all my other bags and i carry this bag like its my security blanket.
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