Yeah the only problem I found with it is that it seems to have just a slight bit more delay than hobbywing or Castle ESCs. Not a huge deal but it is something to mention. Overall it's been a pretty good ESC especially for the price
I haven't really used it a whole lot since the initial testing but what I have done has been pretty good other than the little bit of lag. Someone else said that you could get rid of most of it by changing the punch settings though I haven't really tried that myself yet.
I’ve used surpass motors and esc’s for years and they’ve always performed really well. I’m currently running a rocket motor in my 1/5 30dnt and also my Arrma Mojave and Hobao 1/8 monster truck. I also use hobbywing stuff but I don’t think it’s necessary to spend a fortune to get reasonably good equipment! Interesting video.
Yeah they seem to do pretty well. I know the first generation ESCs tended to have a problem with self-destructing if they were pushed too hard but so far at least my sample of the second generation ESC doesn't seem to have that problem. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub to my channel is appreciated :-)
Yeah seems to be a pretty nice ESC for the money. The only thing I don't like is the on throttle delay but it's not terrible. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub is appreciated :-)
Yeah I try not to delve too much into actual pricing because prices change so frequently that whatever I would specifically say in the video will likely be different when someone watches it and it just results In a lot of confusion.
Yeah I say give it a try. I won't say it's necessarily as good as castle or hobbywing but it's worth messing around with. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
I still want to see more well priced sensored esc's and motors out there. The pricing of Castle's systems still has me rocking an LRP IX8 and Leopard hobby motors
These esc and motor works great. I've had the motor 1st , seeing that it worked great with no problems or getting too hot i got the 160amp esc and the 80amp. I just ordered a 110amp one to put in my rustler.
It’s almost same price as a Robitronic Razer eight which is also 6S 150A and made by Hobbywing, and then I get 2 years warranty, I would go with that or the Hobbywing QuickRun WP 8BL150 V2
Yeah like I said in the video it's probably not the best deal for someone who's just looking for a good reliable ESC. But it is something fun to mess around with if you're just looking for something different.
I've had awesome results with Rocket/Surpass motors..... But mixed results with their ESCs... I've had over half a dozen in various Amps, I had two 150A ones, one lasted over a year of almost daily use.... The second one only lasted a couple of months.! It's Surpass motors & Hobbywing ESCs for me nowadays.
Yeah the V1 surpass ESC's really weren't very good. I have better hopes for these V2 models. Only time will tell though. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated!
@shitakimushies I haven't messed with it too much but to be honest with you given the ESC that was just released by hobbywing I don't really see a lot of justification to get this anymore. Check out my latest video for more information on that.
Thanks for the videos. Would love you to do a video of changing 2 wire esc down to 1. I got outcast 4s and having 2 battery wires annoys me but can't find any videos to show how to change to just one. I'm not that confident to go it aline lol. Cheers
It's actually pretty straightforward. All you would need to do is Pick which connector you're going to use desolder the jumper side wire that goes between the two connectors from it then desolder the wire that goes from the connector you're not going to use back to the ESC and solder that wire back onto the spot where you desolder the jumper from the connector you're going to use.
I think you'll do fine. Really it's just taking the wire that from one connector to the ESC and moving it to the other connector getting rid of the jumper in the process
Thanks for review. How the calibration works? How I set endpoint for neutral, full throttle, full brake. Turn on esc with full throttle and go to neutral, stop seems not to work to me. How set parameters with stick, without prog-card?
I'm sorry I thought this was a different video. Unfortunately I can't find the manual for my ESC and I can't find one online either. Did your ESC not come with a manual that showed you how to do it?
update: mine 60 A 2-3s capable died after around 6 months of use on 2s. The on off button started getting bad and eventually the esc itself stopped wotking (i shorted the switch cables but still it was dead). Definetively not wather damaged since it was in my xv01, so well protected. Opening it was a mess since , even if the schrew were there, the case was basically glued and needed to be broken to be opened. Was sold as sensored but, in reality, the cable was only for the motor temperature. Any adjustment, lile drag brake etc, outside punch made the esc acting strange and vrought any sort of malfunction. I dearly suggest to get an hobbywing, this esc are a hit or miss and sometimes they are just not worth it.
Yeah for sure. I haven't seen much bad about them but they also haven't been out that long so we'll have to see how it goes long-term. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is greatly appreciated :-)
105C is actually pretty toasty for electronics. I haven't run it in a while but I never had any issues with it when I was running it. The only problem is that it has a little bit More off the line delay than I would like but it's not awful. I have heard that changing the punch level can help with that though.
These look like great alternatives, but most of them suffer from this annoying thing were there’s just too much latency on throttle response and torque delivery, it makes the cars unfun
Very cool. Do they do anything bigger? Seems like a good fit for a Kraton or UDR. Just did a Max4/560kv in my MTXL and the motor temps are good, but ESC, not so much.
No I think that's as big as they go in the rocket series. ZTW is the OEM for it from what I've heard and they make bigger ESCs. That being said I'm kind of surprised that the Max 4 would be getting hot on the MTXL. Maybe gearing?
@@DoRC geared 50/67. No one makes a taller mount for the 560kv motor. Pinion is right around the samesize of thecan, I did put Primalrc tires on it. Find out Friday if that helps.
@@DoRC Bigger. The 560/500kv motors are all about torque and don't like to spin as fast. Can't find a smaller spur for the MTXL. Even my GraveDigger on 12s is geared 25/25
@@AndrewSury okay so bigger tires are going to make the heating problem worse. The larger the tires the lower the effective mechanical advantage the motor has on the drivetrain so the harder it works to move the vehicle. This is the same for the ESC as it's what's powering the motor. If you run a smaller pinion gear / larger spur gear or smaller tires It puts less stress on the power system because of greater mechanical advantage and things will run cooler.
Iv'e just bought 4 combos , I have been using there motors for over 4 years without any issue so have decided to give there new ESC a go, 4 150 amp esc and 2200kv motors, I will will be running 4s, what were your tempe reading ?
Didn't really check temperatures with the thermometer but it stayed reasonably cool as long as the fan was running. I did get some debris in the fan a couple times which caused it to thermal overload and shut down. It handled that without issue. If you're just running 4s I don't think you'll have any heat issues
Cool video, I'm now looking into putting one of these Rocket 150a 6s esc's with a 4282 1,780kv motor into my new Arrma Felony i just bought this month as a slider. But i will be buying that combo next month since i spent most of my money this month on my new Arrma i was originally going to put in a Castle MMX8s combo but it would be too expensive to start off with.
Since this came out hobbywing released the 8BL 150 G2 ESC. I'd recommend going with that as it's going to be a more reliable option. This surpass V2 isn't bad but It's not really that much cheaper than the 8bl150 so it's hard to recommend now
@@DoRC I agree, Although i am interested in rocket's 4282 1,780kv motor for my new Arrma Felony i looked up how much pairing it to a 8BL150 G2 and it came out to $135 before tax so not bad. This is only a starter build since i never had one of these Arrma cars before although i have my XO-1 with a Castle MMX8s\1717 1,650kv sensored combo.
Isn't much cheaper🤣....i pay 50 Euros at Aliexpress for the 160 Rocket V2 ESC, the hobbywing max 8 g2 costs round about 120 Euros Here in Germany 😮. So im going with the Surpass....😅🙏
@@DoRC the 8bl 150 costs about 85 Euros. So its still 50% more expensive than the Rocket rc. The 8bl is an mostly stripped down Version of the max8....so the question is, is it hobbywing quality anymore or only the "reliable Name of hobbywing". 😅
@chrismagallanes8858 Yeah the throttle trim will do that. For electric cars you just want to have that in the middle though and then calibrate the ESC to the throttle. Throttle trim generally is just for nitro.
Yeah give it a try. I don't think the sledge is any heavier than the Asuga. Can't guarantee it'll last since I only have modest experience with one sample but it's a cheap thing to try.
The stock summit motor is brushed and this is a brushless ESC. I don't really think it would be appropriate as a crawler ESC as it really isn't designed for that. You might be able to get away with it but you'd be better off just getting a specific crawler ESC with the functionality for it.
Hi I see on Amazon got 1 it say 90A ESC and 1/10 RC Brushless Motor Combo】This waterproof and dustproof 80A . It is 12volt I want to put it in with 8v servo. I want to know what lipo to use. Do I add voltage on motor with servo or I just need get lipo for each and motor?
The ESC will power the servo. You'll want a 3S battery if it's 12 volt. I don't really know what would be available to you although there are quite a few options on Amazon
My hobbywing max8 just failed... one of the batteries had fused its deans connector to the the deans connector on the esc. I might want to try this out.
Honestly I would just get another hobby wing ESC. This is a decent ESC but The hobbywing ones are better. I would recommend a serious upgrade to your connectors as well. Dean's connectors are not up to the task of the current of current that these ESCs flow. XT90 or EC5 at the minimum is what I would recommend
@Nlangkirby135 I wouldn't recommend using adapters. They're usually made with the cheapest possible materials and are often soldered poorly. Even if they're not all you're doing is doubling the resistance of the circuit at the connectors.
Does it come with a program card? And btw does it perform worse or the same as a hobbywing? Power wise the V1 felt like it could not give all the power the motor was capable of in my Zd racing
It doesn't include one but you can order one. I am not certain about the power compared to a hobby wing but to be honest since this video came out hobby wing has released some pretty cheap budget ESCs that kind of make it hard to justify buying something like this unless you Just want to try something different
@@DoRC yeah I also saw another video of this esc burning up unfortunately I went with a quickrun again I made a silly mistake burning up the reciever leads of my quickrun by plugging in a external lipo into my reciever while the esc wires were plugged in wish that didn’t happen just hoped for a cheap alternative but unfortunately surpass just doesn’t know how to make a proper 6S esc and not that surpass hobby is not good or anything they make amazing motors and smaller esc’s it’s 68€ on banggood now but like I said it burnt up in another video I saw. Thanks anyway!
@@Retrograde99 I've seen quite a few instances of the G1 surpass ESC's catching fire but I haven't seen any of the G2 ones catastrophically failed. That being said yeah it really probably just makes more sense to buy the cheap hobby wing ESCs these days. They just don't cost that much less. When this video first came out those G2 quick run ESC's hadn't come out yet
I ordered my program card with the ESC when I bought it on banggood. I'm not sure where else you would get it. I don't know if the previous generation surpass card will work or not.
I have its esc overall its good but for some reason it wont programme its on the factory settings, i bought the led v2 programme card and it does nothing. Thays the only real downside for me. Maybe i got unlucky with a dodgy one
I was going to put a rocket 4292 1500kv matched up with my max6 sensoless esc in my sledge. You think that would work okay ? The max 6 heats up the stock sledge motor a little to much. I want the 49 can hobbywing motor but im tight on cash so was hoping the rocket 4292 would work for now
I don't think it's a clone of any specific ESC out there. It looks a little bit like a Max 8 but it's different enough that I know it's not a clone. It connects to the program card differently makes different startup tones and in general behaves a little bit differently too. Whether or not it's worth taking risk on I can't make a definitive comment on. Mine's doing great but that's one sample. Thanks for watching :-) if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated!
I don't think that would help. The input capacitors are really only designed to smooth out millisecond length inconsistencies in voltage delivery under really heavy load. I don't believe that would have any effect on initial motor startup.
No I don't think I ever did. Since the G2 8BL 150 came out I honestly would not recommend even messing with this. The new 8BL 150 is just a couple of dollars more and a far easier solution to deal with.
I have some delay in mine too, mine is sadly sensored this means absolutely no clogging and on low rpm the car is amazing! But still, the lag is a little bad. I paid it nothing (around 30 euros combo 60A esc + 3265 brushless sensored motor) and they do their job flawlessly. Again i belive the motor of this cheap combos are incredible, but the esc are somehow crappy
@@DoRC i can confirm that indeed it helps, but still the esc is not the best. 30 euro solely for suck a quality motor was already a steal so i can't complain. On the other the sensor work amazing
@@DoRC give it a go but in my experience most of the cheaper brand ESCs have a very poor punch config and once put of an ideal range it starts messing with their response and drivability. Would be interesting to see any results (good or bad) if you try it. 🙂
I got mine on AliExpress but honestly these days since the 8BL 150 G2 ESC came out from hobby Wing I would not mess with these anymore. For not much more money you can get the hw esc
I believe you can get them on eBay AliExpress and banggood. Pricing's going to change quite a bit so that's why I didn't include any. Thanks for watching and if You aren't already subbed a sub is appreciated :-)
@@hyperc5249 No. They look similar but they are not electronically compatible. The hobby wing program card just gives a set of dashes when you plug it in.
Yeah it survived a lot more than that to. This ESC was in the car the entire time I was durability testing the Asuga. It's taking some serious abuse. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub to my channel is appreciated :-)
Hi, I received my Supersonic V2 ESC. it does not work linearly 😔 acceleration at 3/4 of the trigger it accelerates suddenly, it's bad. did yours do that too?
Comparing this to hobby wing, I would much rather take this than a hobby wing any day in my opinion hobby wing is garbage. Their warranty department is garbage as well.
Personally especially with the new V2 quick run ESCs I think I'd take the hobby wing. Hobby wings warranty might not be the best but it's got to be better than whatever you would get from this brand.
Once had a connector come off the board on the older sc8 2700 kv combo. I sent a picture of the board (I opened the case) they literally sent me a new one. Didn't even ask to send old one,which was fine once I soldered the connector back on. My only experience with their warranty department was good.
Putting castle and hobby wing into the same category isn’t practical having said that I’ve had just as many castles let the smoke out as hobby king,wind hobby,hobby wing,turnigy,caster,hpi
I disagree. Castle and hobbywing are by far the two largest power system providers in this country. When people are choosing a power system to buy They will almost certainly be making a decision between Castle and hobbywing. Castle does have some advantages and hobbywing has other advantages. Lately most of the advantages are hobby wings but I think given that those two companies are what the vast majority of people will be choosing between It's at least conceivable to lump them together.
@@DoRC they have definitely come a long way and are putting in some nice features now! I’ve just found from early on that castles esc’s tuning and throttle range and smoothness was far superior to the Chinese controller’s that cost 1/4 the price!, um dunno why but I guess now they have become mainstream the budget for development and components would have to be better now
@needmoreboost6369 Yes several years ago Castle was far superior to hobbywing in pretty much every aspect other than price. I still think Castle holds the edge on features and quality but the gap is way way closer than it used to be and hobby wing has most if not all of the same features that Castle has on their higher end stuff. It's also really hard to argue the value proposition. Hobbywing stuff is quite a bit cheaper than castles and for most people is more than sufficient. I do wish it wasn't like that because I like to support US companies but these days Castle just doesn't have many of the advantages that they used to.
One time you buy from brands like Surpass hobby and Rocket rc and you never buy again. I bought a double fan with a heatsink all in one set and this thing sends a lot of air to cooling the motor but esc and motors never again. These things are trash and thats why are cheap. There are some reasons that cost cheaper than the other big brands. I have fried an 60 amp esc from surpass hobby years before and i never bought again. Even the traxxas electronics that are the worst from the big brands have 10 ms delay ONLY when you push the throttle. That thing here has a lot of delay and when you need fast response before the model crash with the nose in the dirt it will not help and you will breake the model. If you want to give a try, yes of course, it's your money, but me i am very stricted to the expensive brands even that i buy them with the very hard way.
I agree that the older surpass and rocket ESCs were junk. The new ones are a bit better though. I also think that their motors are pretty good. I have run probably two dozen different surpass or rocket brand motors over the years and never had a single failure. I'm sure they're not quite as fancy as the ones from Castle but a motor is a pretty simple device and the rocket/surpass ones work well in my experience. That being said I definitely understand wanting to get the good stuff. It's always a risk when you buy cheap things especially because when you have a problem you're probably on your own. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@DoRCI have a $10 25A Surpass ESC in my Arrma Mojave Grom that I run on 2S. Superb when paired with their 2440 motors. Delays and overheating are solved with two Rocket RC fans blowing in two directions inside the Mojave. 😂 Having tons of fun with the small ticket items. They come up to less than half of HW and saved me quite a bit on upgrading the Grom. I'll proceed with more caution if I'm dealing with bigger cars.
It's intentional. I'm usually durability testing things amd am often testing more than one thing at a time. I also tend to show the crashes more because they are more dramatic. Been bashing nearly every day for 20 years. I can land jumps if I want:)
@@Luke-en2tk of course and I'm sure that the person who made the comment is aware of that as well but for what they are there's nothing wrong with them as long as they are used within their limitations.
I dont like the new escs who forcd you to run sensored setups. Been seeing countless of them specially the G2 Esc catching fire under normal use. Hobbywing has also discontinued their sensorless brushless Motors. I find these new G2 escs a massive negative for the RC community instead of having more diversity and more choices in what we can get for our rc vehicles Its the opposite.. i wanted to get a hobbywing 4074 2200kv motor turns out its discontinued and you can’t get it
You don't have to run a sensored motor on any sensor capable ESC. They will happily run sensorless as well. Sensored motors will also happily run sensorless on a sensorless ESC. If you simply have a fundamental issue with sensored setups You could buy the G2 combo and just disconnect the sensor lead and it'll still work fine. The sensored ESCs and motors give you more options not fewer.
@@DoRC cables going to flap around and sensored motors have a shorter rotor(magnet portion) that creates more heat and less torque making the size can pretty much irrelevant if the rotor is the size of a 4068 when the motor is labeled 4082
@@EXTREMERC416 actually the sensored motor is longer overall to give more room for the sensor system. The rotor and magnets inside are the same size. In my experience the G2 combo is actually a fair amount more powerful than the previous version. It also runs cooler has a bunch of new features and in general is just better in pretty much every way. It's pretty common for a company to discontinue its previous version of something when it comes out with a new version. It would be logistically difficult to continue to produce every single version of a product that a company has ever had. Can you imagine if Arrma were still producing five different versions of the 6s platform?
@@DoRC unfortunately it isnt. A sensored motor has always a shorter rotor. Question is how much shorter. I fellow a few people who like to review motors. In their book the very old brushless motors are the best. Long rotors with insane magnets. Nawadays we have lower quality magnets and overall quality because we always trying to make stuff cheaper
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I've used this ESC 150amp paired with 4092 1650kv in my typhon 6s for month now so far no issues on ESC and the 4092 rocket motor is fantastic.
Yeah the only problem I found with it is that it seems to have just a slight bit more delay than hobbywing or Castle ESCs. Not a huge deal but it is something to mention. Overall it's been a pretty good ESC especially for the price
Do you have the delay, too?
Still holding up ? Anyone tried the 150amp 4292 1780kv sensored? Gonna try this thing in a felony that'll test it properly ;-)
I haven't really used it a whole lot since the initial testing but what I have done has been pretty good other than the little bit of lag. Someone else said that you could get rid of most of it by changing the punch settings though I haven't really tried that myself yet.
I’ve used surpass motors and esc’s for years and they’ve always performed really well. I’m currently running a rocket motor in my 1/5 30dnt and also my Arrma Mojave and Hobao 1/8 monster truck. I also use hobbywing stuff but I don’t think it’s necessary to spend a fortune to get reasonably good equipment! Interesting video.
Yeah they seem to do pretty well. I know the first generation ESCs tended to have a problem with self-destructing if they were pushed too hard but so far at least my sample of the second generation ESC doesn't seem to have that problem. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub to my channel is appreciated :-)
Finally someone caught on with this im finding some reviews for half a year already
Yeah seems to be a pretty nice ESC for the money. The only thing I don't like is the on throttle delay but it's not terrible. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub is appreciated :-)
I think you should actually compare prices to the castle mamba and hobbywing so viewers can get an idea on value. Good video!
Yeah I try not to delve too much into actual pricing because prices change so frequently that whatever I would specifically say in the video will likely be different when someone watches it and it just results In a lot of confusion.
Glad to see someone do a video on this. I’ve been tempted to scoop up one of these combos.
Yeah I say give it a try. I won't say it's necessarily as good as castle or hobbywing but it's worth messing around with. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated :-)
I still want to see more well priced sensored esc's and motors out there. The pricing of Castle's systems still has me rocking an LRP IX8 and Leopard hobby motors
The modern hobbywing G2 stuff is pretty affordable
@@DoRC I’ve also been cursed with not wanting to run the obvious go-to 🤣
These esc and motor works great. I've had the motor 1st , seeing that it worked great with no problems or getting too hot i got the 160amp esc and the 80amp. I just ordered a 110amp one to put in my rustler.
Yeah they have their quirks but they do seem to work well overall.
It’s almost same price as a Robitronic Razer eight which is also 6S 150A and made by Hobbywing, and then I get 2 years warranty, I would go with that or the Hobbywing QuickRun WP 8BL150 V2
Yeah like I said in the video it's probably not the best deal for someone who's just looking for a good reliable ESC. But it is something fun to mess around with if you're just looking for something different.
I've had awesome results with Rocket/Surpass motors..... But mixed results with their ESCs... I've had over half a dozen in various Amps, I had two 150A ones, one lasted over a year of almost daily use.... The second one only lasted a couple of months.!
It's Surpass motors & Hobbywing ESCs for me nowadays.
Yeah the V1 surpass ESC's really weren't very good. I have better hopes for these V2 models. Only time will tell though. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated!
Any update on how the v2 holds up? Looking to convert my ancient Hyper 7 😁😎. Absolutely enthralled Ho Bao is still around 🤓.
@shitakimushies I haven't messed with it too much but to be honest with you given the ESC that was just released by hobbywing I don't really see a lot of justification to get this anymore. Check out my latest video for more information on that.
Thanks for the videos. Would love you to do a video of changing 2 wire esc down to 1. I got outcast 4s and having 2 battery wires annoys me but can't find any videos to show how to change to just one. I'm not that confident to go it aline lol. Cheers
It's actually pretty straightforward. All you would need to do is Pick which connector you're going to use desolder the jumper side wire that goes between the two connectors from it then desolder the wire that goes from the connector you're not going to use back to the ESC and solder that wire back onto the spot where you desolder the jumper from the connector you're going to use.
@@DoRC thank you very much. Sounds simple. Let you know when I put out the fire 🔥
I think you'll do fine. Really it's just taking the wire that from one connector to the ESC and moving it to the other connector getting rid of the jumper in the process
You just need two wires, the positive and negative coming from the esc to the battery plug.
Yep
Thanks for review.
How the calibration works? How I set endpoint for neutral, full throttle, full brake.
Turn on esc with full throttle and go to neutral, stop seems not to work to me.
How set parameters with stick, without prog-card?
Sorry die confusing. I have the RocketRC 150A ESC. No second Button available. Only the ohne die turning in anf Off.
I'm sorry I thought this was a different video. Unfortunately I can't find the manual for my ESC and I can't find one online either. Did your ESC not come with a manual that showed you how to do it?
update: mine 60 A 2-3s capable died after around 6 months of use on 2s. The on off button started getting bad and eventually the esc itself stopped wotking (i shorted the switch cables but still it was dead). Definetively not wather damaged since it was in my xv01, so well protected. Opening it was a mess since , even if the schrew were there, the case was basically glued and needed to be broken to be opened. Was sold as sensored but, in reality, the cable was only for the motor temperature. Any adjustment, lile drag brake etc, outside punch made the esc acting strange and vrought any sort of malfunction. I dearly suggest to get an hobbywing, this esc are a hit or miss and sometimes they are just not worth it.
These days I would recommend going with hobby wing anyway. Since they came out with the G2 quick run series it's not really worth dealing with these.
Was wondering about this one, great review!
Thanks :-) Yeah it's not perfect but it's not bad either
As you say long term will tell is have value, now I can say can be an option that depends of the budget
Yeah for sure. I haven't seen much bad about them but they also haven't been out that long so we'll have to see how it goes long-term. Thanks for watching and if you aren't already subscribed a sub is greatly appreciated :-)
It ended up being pulse width modulation with punch, 12k-24k is more instantaneous as default is 8k. Fan requires upgrade however in my Tyjave
Interesting I'll have to try that out.
How?
Hw card?
No you need to get the card that goes with this. I was able to get mine on AliExpress from the same listing that I bought the ESC from.
Still no issues? Looks like a great budget option.
Also, do you how did you change bec voltage on this esc?
105C is actually pretty toasty for electronics. I haven't run it in a while but I never had any issues with it when I was running it. The only problem is that it has a little bit More off the line delay than I would like but it's not awful. I have heard that changing the punch level can help with that though.
These look like great alternatives, but most of them suffer from this annoying thing were there’s just too much latency on throttle response and torque delivery, it makes the cars unfun
Changing the punch can really help with the latency. Might want to give it a try. Thanks for watching :-)
@catseye8926 agreed. It's definitely not the smoothest programming.
Those caps were Rubycon ZLHs... Good caps for power filtering...
Good caps are always a good sign!
Very cool. Do they do anything bigger? Seems like a good fit for a Kraton or UDR. Just did a Max4/560kv in my MTXL and the motor temps are good, but ESC, not so much.
No I think that's as big as they go in the rocket series. ZTW is the OEM for it from what I've heard and they make bigger ESCs. That being said I'm kind of surprised that the Max 4 would be getting hot on the MTXL. Maybe gearing?
@@DoRC geared 50/67. No one makes a taller mount for the 560kv motor. Pinion is right around the samesize of thecan, I did put Primalrc tires on it. Find out Friday if that helps.
Are the primal tires smaller?
@@DoRC Bigger. The 560/500kv motors are all about torque and don't like to spin as fast. Can't find a smaller spur for the MTXL. Even my GraveDigger on 12s is geared 25/25
@@AndrewSury okay so bigger tires are going to make the heating problem worse. The larger the tires the lower the effective mechanical advantage the motor has on the drivetrain so the harder it works to move the vehicle. This is the same for the ESC as it's what's powering the motor. If you run a smaller pinion gear / larger spur gear or smaller tires It puts less stress on the power system because of greater mechanical advantage and things will run cooler.
When will you do an updated video on the esc?
They probably won't be one. These days it's hard to recommend something like this because of how cheap ESCs like the 8 BL150 G2 hobby Wing is.
Iv'e just bought 4 combos , I have been using there motors for over 4 years without any issue so have decided to give there new ESC a go, 4 150 amp esc and 2200kv motors, I will will be running 4s, what were your tempe reading ?
Didn't really check temperatures with the thermometer but it stayed reasonably cool as long as the fan was running. I did get some debris in the fan a couple times which caused it to thermal overload and shut down. It handled that without issue.
If you're just running 4s I don't think you'll have any heat issues
Cool video, I'm now looking into putting one of these Rocket 150a 6s esc's with a 4282 1,780kv motor into my new Arrma Felony i just bought this month as a slider. But i will be buying that combo next month since i spent most of my money this month on my new Arrma i was originally going to put in a Castle MMX8s combo but it would be too expensive to start off with.
Since this came out hobbywing released the 8BL 150 G2 ESC. I'd recommend going with that as it's going to be a more reliable option. This surpass V2 isn't bad but It's not really that much cheaper than the 8bl150 so it's hard to recommend now
@@DoRC I agree, Although i am interested in rocket's 4282 1,780kv motor for my new Arrma Felony i looked up how much pairing it to a 8BL150 G2 and it came out to $135 before tax so not bad. This is only a starter build since i never had one of these Arrma cars before although i have my XO-1 with a Castle MMX8s\1717 1,650kv sensored combo.
Isn't much cheaper🤣....i pay 50 Euros at Aliexpress for the 160 Rocket V2 ESC, the hobbywing max 8 g2 costs round about 120 Euros Here in Germany 😮. So im going with the Surpass....😅🙏
@@christianknobel978 I think the best comparison would be between the rocket and the 8BL 150 G2 not the max 8 G2.
@@DoRC the 8bl 150 costs about 85 Euros. So its still 50% more expensive than the Rocket rc. The 8bl is an mostly stripped down Version of the max8....so the question is, is it hobbywing quality anymore or only the "reliable Name of hobbywing". 😅
Have to tried adjusting the throttle trim the remote
It was calibrated for the remote so that shouldn't affect anything.
@@DoRC mmm cause my dumbo transmitter has a dial that makes it move forward on its own
@chrismagallanes8858 Yeah the throttle trim will do that. For electric cars you just want to have that in the middle though and then calibrate the ESC to the throttle. Throttle trim generally is just for nitro.
My sledge keeps burning up escs not sure why. I burnt up a max 8 g2 and a castle sidewinder 8th. Running a Gen. 2 motor and stock gearing
Yeah give it a try. I don't think the sledge is any heavier than the Asuga. Can't guarantee it'll last since I only have modest experience with one sample but it's a cheap thing to try.
Does it work in a Summit also crawling? Dragbrake only 30% on program card.
The stock summit motor is brushed and this is a brushless ESC. I don't really think it would be appropriate as a crawler ESC as it really isn't designed for that. You might be able to get away with it but you'd be better off just getting a specific crawler ESC with the functionality for it.
Hi I see on Amazon got 1 it say 90A ESC and 1/10 RC Brushless Motor Combo】This waterproof and dustproof 80A .
It is 12volt I want to put it in with 8v servo.
I want to know what lipo to use. Do I add voltage on motor with servo or I just need get lipo for each and motor?
The ESC will power the servo. You'll want a 3S battery if it's 12 volt. I don't really know what would be available to you although there are quite a few options on Amazon
@@DoRC ohk
My hobbywing max8 just failed... one of the batteries had fused its deans connector to the the deans connector on the esc. I might want to try this out.
Honestly I would just get another hobby wing ESC. This is a decent ESC but The hobbywing ones are better. I would recommend a serious upgrade to your connectors as well. Dean's connectors are not up to the task of the current of current that these ESCs flow. XT90 or EC5 at the minimum is what I would recommend
Ok… an update. My old Kaiju esc has solved its issue thanks to adapters from deans to xt90. Would using adapters help with esc plug longevity?
@Nlangkirby135 I wouldn't recommend using adapters. They're usually made with the cheapest possible materials and are often soldered poorly. Even if they're not all you're doing is doubling the resistance of the circuit at the connectors.
Okay then
Does it come with a program card? And btw does it perform worse or the same as a hobbywing? Power wise the V1 felt like it could not give all the power the motor was capable of in my Zd racing
It doesn't include one but you can order one. I am not certain about the power compared to a hobby wing but to be honest since this video came out hobby wing has released some pretty cheap budget ESCs that kind of make it hard to justify buying something like this unless you Just want to try something different
@@DoRC yeah I also saw another video of this esc burning up unfortunately I went with a quickrun again I made a silly mistake burning up the reciever leads of my quickrun by plugging in a external lipo into my reciever while the esc wires were plugged in wish that didn’t happen just hoped for a cheap alternative but unfortunately surpass just doesn’t know how to make a proper 6S esc and not that surpass hobby is not good or anything they make amazing motors and smaller esc’s it’s 68€ on banggood now but like I said it burnt up in another video I saw. Thanks anyway!
@@Retrograde99 I've seen quite a few instances of the G1 surpass ESC's catching fire but I haven't seen any of the G2 ones catastrophically failed. That being said yeah it really probably just makes more sense to buy the cheap hobby wing ESCs these days. They just don't cost that much less. When this video first came out those G2 quick run ESC's hadn't come out yet
Is the Surpass Hobby Program Esc good with this? If not, where do I get the Rocket-Rc program?
I ordered my program card with the ESC when I bought it on banggood. I'm not sure where else you would get it. I don't know if the previous generation surpass card will work or not.
I have its esc overall its good but for some reason it wont programme its on the factory settings, i bought the led v2 programme card and it does nothing. Thays the only real downside for me. Maybe i got unlucky with a dodgy one
Maybe so. The program card did work for me.
I was going to put a rocket 4292 1500kv matched up with my max6 sensoless esc in my sledge. You think that would work okay ? The max 6 heats up the stock sledge motor a little to much. I want the 49 can hobbywing motor but im tight on cash so was hoping the rocket 4292 would work for now
Rocket 4292 is a sweet motor.
@@DoRC it will fit with the reverse motor\diff
mount, I got the GPM chassis and their reverse mount
@@DoRC now I just need to find a mount for the Max6 esc
How do you program it? Do you need a programming card?
As far as I know the program card is the only way to program it
How do you change BEC voltage output to 7.4v?
I believe you'll need the program card.
There is 2 program cards for them do you need the newer one for that esc
I got the one that was in the same listing as the ESC that I bought. I'm not familiar with a different option
How do you calibrate it?
I believe the calibration process is in the manual but unfortunately I don't have this anymore so I can't remember exactly what it was.
Probably a cheap clone. Esc are always scary to take a risk on. I run the rocket 4074/4082/4092 motors they are excellent. Awesome video ty
I don't think it's a clone of any specific ESC out there. It looks a little bit like a Max 8 but it's different enough that I know it's not a clone. It connects to the program card differently makes different startup tones and in general behaves a little bit differently too. Whether or not it's worth taking risk on I can't make a definitive comment on. Mine's doing great but that's one sample. Thanks for watching :-) if you aren't already subscribed a sub is appreciated!
I used one on a ftx vantage, did few speed runs and over heated 😅
Yeah I'm not sure this would be a good speedrun ESC.
;-)
Thanks for the info 👍
Thanks for watching :-)
do you try put more capacitor like esc on corally rtr.. maybe can make no delay respond
I don't think that would help. The input capacitors are really only designed to smooth out millisecond length inconsistencies in voltage delivery under really heavy load. I don't believe that would have any effect on initial motor startup.
@@DoRC really.. idk if not try yet 😅
@@gamebosan5965 Thanks for watching!
Did you ever work out out to calibrate this esc
No I don't think I ever did. Since the G2 8BL 150 came out I honestly would not recommend even messing with this. The new 8BL 150 is just a couple of dollars more and a far easier solution to deal with.
I have some delay in mine too, mine is sadly sensored this means absolutely no clogging and on low rpm the car is amazing! But still, the lag is a little bad. I paid it nothing (around 30 euros combo 60A esc + 3265 brushless sensored motor) and they do their job flawlessly. Again i belive the motor of this cheap combos are incredible, but the esc are somehow crappy
Someone told me that they changed the punch setting on there than it helped the delay. Might be worth trying
@@DoRC i can confirm that indeed it helps, but still the esc is not the best. 30 euro solely for suck a quality motor was already a steal so i can't complain. On the other the sensor work amazing
Anyone know if the traditional hobby program card will work with this esc?
I tried it and it did not work. All I got was dashed lines. Since these aren't made by hobby Wing the communication protocol is different.
That delay is a total deal-breaker for me.
I can understand that. I did have a report that changing the punch really helps but it's not something I've tried yet.
@@DoRC give it a go but in my experience most of the cheaper brand ESCs have a very poor punch config and once put of an ideal range it starts messing with their response and drivability. Would be interesting to see any results (good or bad) if you try it. 🙂
@YoShImUrA53 Yeah it's on my list of things to try though I'll admit that list is pretty long:/
where to buy this
I got mine on AliExpress but honestly these days since the 8BL 150 G2 ESC came out from hobby Wing I would not mess with these anymore. For not much more money you can get the hw esc
Amigo como faz para calibrar esse esc ?
Unfortunately I don't have the manual handy anymore. I think the calibration procedure was in it though.
Ok 👍🏻
I believe the complains with these escs are the same as the v1. delays on throttle and brake inputs
Yeah I mentioned it in the video. There's a little bit more delay than on other ESCs.
Link and price?
I believe you can get them on eBay AliExpress and banggood. Pricing's going to change quite a bit so that's why I didn't include any. Thanks for watching and if You aren't already subbed a sub is appreciated :-)
@@DoRC ok. Thanks. Subbed a long time ago. You are one of the reasons I started my own channel. Great info and reviews.
Will a HW program card work on these?
@@hyperc5249 No. They look similar but they are not electronically compatible. The hobby wing program card just gives a set of dashes when you plug it in.
it is still good?
Yeah not too bad!
tks
You're welcome!
Can i use this with 2s? Help me ! Thank you
According to this specifications this is 3 to 6S only. What's the application?
I see… i would like to use it in a slash 2wd, but i think i’m gonna wait to buy another esc
Check out the hobby wing WPSC 8. It does 2 to 4S is cheaper than this one and should be plenty for a two-wheel drive slash.
@@DoRC nice! Thank you brother
@@SplashCuash You're welcome :-)
How much is it
I think I paid 60 bucks for mine. You can check on AliExpress or any of the local online places you can shop to see How much they are where you live
Took some tough landings
Yeah it survived a lot more than that to. This ESC was in the car the entire time I was durability testing the Asuga. It's taking some serious abuse. Thanks for watching and if you enjoy my videos a sub to my channel is appreciated :-)
Hi,
I received my Supersonic V2 ESC.
it does not work linearly 😔
acceleration at 3/4 of the trigger it accelerates suddenly, it's bad.
did yours do that too?
No. Mine felt pretty smooth.
@@DoRC its strange 🤔
Thanks for your answer 🤙
@zackfair7697 Yeah might want to try warrantying it out
Comparing this to hobby wing, I would much rather take this than a hobby wing any day in my opinion hobby wing is garbage. Their warranty department is garbage as well.
Personally especially with the new V2 quick run ESCs I think I'd take the hobby wing. Hobby wings warranty might not be the best but it's got to be better than whatever you would get from this brand.
90% of all these esc’s are made by the same Chinese company. That’s why they all look almost identical. They’re all just branded differently.
@joshuajkoplin a lot of the generic ones are all basically the same. Hobbywing ESC's are different and castle makes their own as well.
Once had a connector come off the board on the older sc8 2700 kv combo. I sent a picture of the board (I opened the case) they literally sent me a new one. Didn't even ask to send old one,which was fine once I soldered the connector back on. My only experience with their warranty department was good.
Hobby Wing sent me a new ESC, 2 days later I got the package.
I had only to send 2 emails.
Very good Warranty service.
Putting castle and hobby wing into the same category isn’t practical having said that I’ve had just as many castles let the smoke out as hobby king,wind hobby,hobby wing,turnigy,caster,hpi
I disagree. Castle and hobbywing are by far the two largest power system providers in this country. When people are choosing a power system to buy They will almost certainly be making a decision between Castle and hobbywing. Castle does have some advantages and hobbywing has other advantages. Lately most of the advantages are hobby wings but I think given that those two companies are what the vast majority of people will be choosing between It's at least conceivable to lump them together.
@@DoRC they have definitely come a long way and are putting in some nice features now! I’ve just found from early on that castles esc’s tuning and throttle range and smoothness was far superior to the Chinese controller’s that cost 1/4 the price!, um dunno why but I guess now they have become mainstream the budget for development and components would have to be better now
@needmoreboost6369 Yes several years ago Castle was far superior to hobbywing in pretty much every aspect other than price. I still think Castle holds the edge on features and quality but the gap is way way closer than it used to be and hobby wing has most if not all of the same features that Castle has on their higher end stuff. It's also really hard to argue the value proposition. Hobbywing stuff is quite a bit cheaper than castles and for most people is more than sufficient. I do wish it wasn't like that because I like to support US companies but these days Castle just doesn't have many of the advantages that they used to.
Any promo codes
I don't know. I'm not affiliated with them at all and I don't do affiliate anything on my channel anyway. Thanks for watching!
Its still surpass...😎
Very true. They seem to be stepping up their game though. I'm all for it. Any competition is good competition!
Hey DO some or us use NiMh batteries. I really enjoy your channel so please do not battery shame
It was more meant as a lighthearted joke than actually trying to shame anybody :-) Glad you enjoy the channel!
We're good brother. I was just messing around I'm like that with all my rc friends. But I really still use them and I get crap all the time lol
@@ronniethelimodriver6971 Yeah it's pretty rare that they get used these days. They do have their advantages though.
this esc ok..but funtion drag brake very disappointed.after used drag brake thottle not running in 1-2second..car totaly stop in 1-2ssecond to..
Are you saying you want more or less drag brake?
i mean..car totaly stop in 1-2s after drag brake..
i need after drag brake and punch throttle to go..i dont want car totaly stop.
AAhhh that poor buggy ( DWI ) !!!!!!!!!
I can drive a lot better than I just often don't in videos because I'm testing durability of things and the crashes are more dramatic :-)
One time you buy from brands like Surpass hobby and Rocket rc and you never buy again. I bought a double fan with a heatsink all in one set and this thing sends a lot of air to cooling the motor but esc and motors never again. These things are trash and thats why are cheap. There are some reasons that cost cheaper than the other big brands. I have fried an 60 amp esc from surpass hobby years before and i never bought again. Even the traxxas electronics that are the worst from the big brands have 10 ms delay ONLY when you push the throttle. That thing here has a lot of delay and when you need fast response before the model crash with the nose in the dirt it will not help and you will breake the model. If you want to give a try, yes of course, it's your money, but me i am very stricted to the expensive brands even that i buy them with the very hard way.
I agree that the older surpass and rocket ESCs were junk. The new ones are a bit better though. I also think that their motors are pretty good. I have run probably two dozen different surpass or rocket brand motors over the years and never had a single failure. I'm sure they're not quite as fancy as the ones from Castle but a motor is a pretty simple device and the rocket/surpass ones work well in my experience. That being said I definitely understand wanting to get the good stuff. It's always a risk when you buy cheap things especially because when you have a problem you're probably on your own. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@DoRCI have a $10 25A Surpass ESC in my Arrma Mojave Grom that I run on 2S. Superb when paired with their 2440 motors. Delays and overheating are solved with two Rocket RC fans blowing in two directions inside the Mojave. 😂 Having tons of fun with the small ticket items. They come up to less than half of HW and saved me quite a bit on upgrading the Grom. I'll proceed with more caution if I'm dealing with bigger cars.
I'm sorry but YOU CAN"T DRIVE!!!! Lol
It's intentional. I'm usually durability testing things amd am often testing more than one thing at a time. I also tend to show the crashes more because they are more dramatic. Been bashing nearly every day for 20 years. I can land jumps if I want:)
@@DoRC Sure you are pal..This was not an Asuga durability test lol
@@MOUNTAINRC160 thanks for watching :-)
@@DoRC You're also the RUclips comment Nazi..You love removing people's comments.
@@MOUNTAINRC160pull the stick out your ass bro
i still care about NiMH :(
Sorry. That was not very inclusive of me. There's nothing wrong with Nickle metal hydride :-)
😅 nihm. Party like it's 2009😅
@@stikupartist3698 lol:)
@@DoRC but there is, with high powered brushless vehicles they simply can't hold the voltage
@@Luke-en2tk of course and I'm sure that the person who made the comment is aware of that as well but for what they are there's nothing wrong with them as long as they are used within their limitations.
I dont like the new escs who forcd you to run sensored setups. Been seeing countless of them specially the G2 Esc catching fire under normal use. Hobbywing has also discontinued their sensorless brushless Motors. I find these new G2 escs a massive negative for the RC community instead of having more diversity and more choices in what we can get for our rc vehicles Its the opposite.. i wanted to get a hobbywing 4074 2200kv motor turns out its discontinued and you can’t get it
You don't have to run a sensored motor on any sensor capable ESC. They will happily run sensorless as well. Sensored motors will also happily run sensorless on a sensorless ESC. If you simply have a fundamental issue with sensored setups You could buy the G2 combo and just disconnect the sensor lead and it'll still work fine.
The sensored ESCs and motors give you more options not fewer.
@@DoRC cables going to flap around and sensored motors have a shorter rotor(magnet portion) that creates more heat and less torque making the size can pretty much irrelevant if the rotor is the size of a 4068 when the motor is labeled 4082
Yeah pretty dumb to discontinue motors esc obviously they want to sell the new version and not the old one
@@EXTREMERC416 actually the sensored motor is longer overall to give more room for the sensor system. The rotor and magnets inside are the same size. In my experience the G2 combo is actually a fair amount more powerful than the previous version. It also runs cooler has a bunch of new features and in general is just better in pretty much every way.
It's pretty common for a company to discontinue its previous version of something when it comes out with a new version. It would be logistically difficult to continue to produce every single version of a product that a company has ever had. Can you imagine if Arrma were still producing five different versions of the 6s platform?
@@DoRC unfortunately it isnt. A sensored motor has always a shorter rotor. Question is how much shorter. I fellow a few people who like to review motors. In their book the very old brushless motors are the best. Long rotors with insane magnets. Nawadays we have lower quality magnets and overall quality because we always trying to make stuff cheaper
terrible driving there bud
Thanks for the feedback :-)
Dude Hobbywing sucks. People stay away from that shit.
What bad experiences have you had with them?
This is on sale right now for $29.50 thats good right
That is a pretty good price though honestly I would probably just get the hobby wing 8 BL 150 G2. It's a bit more money but it's a more reliable ESC.
@@DoRC I was talking about whichever one is the 150a
Yeah that's what I was referring to as well.