Solid play by Xuan. And what’s remarkable is that the only play she actually seems conflicted over is the River bet, where her intuition that Chin liked the river clashes with her GTO understanding that she needs to fire.
@@TheTree1this is not a snap call. It's a very easy spot for her to underbluff and she's never value betting worse. For his call to be +EV, she'd have to be over bluffing which is really hard to do here, so it's a good fold.
This is a great breakdown and amazing idea to have them verbalize what they are thinking while playing live. It’s great that people do this while playing online but when ur at table it changes an aspect. Like I think if he was just running this hand thru the solver then he woulda got to the low pocket pairs (he also woulda known he hand the whole time) and made the hand out to some hero call scenario. Whereas on the felt, even tho it’s not real life it still holds weight and shows u may forget things or leave things out. Whether intentional or not. Nobody’s perfect and when u hit the felt and real moneys on the line snd the chips are physically in front of u it’s a different game
Thanks for the great content! She actually gave me a new perspective by talking about the "energy" he checked the river with. I'll consider that in my games from now on.
I would guess folding JT relies on the LJ never betting AK and AQ on the river. I think in practice villians will sometimes bet these hands and JT becomes a close call
I feel like its important to remember the high stakes v low stakes distinction, in some low stakes lines you're allowed to get away with having no bluffs bc villains aren't playing correctly against it. basically playing more expolitative than gto the lower stakes you go
yeah I know in micros this would basically never work. You’re getting called with all Ax+. But that just means in turn you need to go for much thinner value
Wow. I did not expect JT to be a fold. That being said, J7s does call - so at my level I still think I wouldn't ever decide to call J7 and fold JT, I would be too scared of being valuebluffed.
Hi, first time watching this type of analysis and I love how the players's thought process is verbalized by themselves realtime in hand and the post edit comparison with Solver solutions. However, one question I have here: The players facial expression and lip movements is very visible on the table, how does this factor into their thought process? Do they make a conscious effort not to look at their villian's face when the hand is in progress? (Chin's turn facial expression shows he is clearly uncomfortable with Xuan's bet OTT)
Extremely well played by Xuan, and also, not correct analyzed on everything, but good decisions by Christian. I've imagined the perfect girlfriend, thin aggro asian girl with really good understanding of the game.. And there she is. Xuan !
I dislike the word 'blocker' for this reason - having a diamond doesn't *block* your opponent from having a flush on a diamond board, it makes it marginally less likely and shifts the equilibrium. Which diamonds you block, the preflop action, and the board texture all dictate how impactful those blockers actually are.
At 18:35 you add a note for K9s, Q9s, K8s stating that they are unlikely bluffs irl, could you shed some more light on why this is the case? Is it because these combos are hard for humans to take this line with? Thanks
yes I also didnt understand this read since I myself find it easier bluffing those hands (blocking nuts or potential bluff catchers blocking nuts) than PPs (complete non natural). And I'd consider that if it's easier for me, it probably is for other players
Because a K9/Q9s block villain's straight draws and flush draws which are the very bluffing hands that would fold to a river bet. If you're bluffing with K9/Q9/K8 you have to ask yourself... "okay what else does villain have that misses if we're blocking a king/queen and 9 which are all straight draws and flush draws
One thing I don;t understand: "giving as much of villains range a difficult decision" -> I take as the decision is mixed or close in EV, but that seems to me that V can not make big mistakes then as they are so close in EV. What am I missing?
Rock paper scissors have three choices that have the same EV. In any one round you are welcome to pick anything, but if you always pick rock... You are correct that when we have a mixed choice the ev is the same so go ahead and fold 33 from UTG if you are changing music, taking a drink or something. Also, at lower limits population will have leaks like not 3/4 betting enough, if that's the case then one choice will have more ev then another. One more way to think about it, if you look at what we should do with our range in a spot you will find a break down like this: raise 13% call 60% fold 23% in this random example around half of the hands had a partial raise, but if we do this 100% then our range as a whole will be way to weak when we call and when we raise. I'm speaking generally not specifically to this example as i haven't watched it yet.
Is there anyone can explain why Ako is not even a possibility hand here per solver? Did i miss read the solver? I learned something about piker today to not bet AKo here, thanks
Out of the SB Chin is going to be 3 betting AA, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, JJ at something close to 100% preflop. On top of it being extremely unlikely that he has these hands any Ax hand without the Ad or a pair are folding to the flop bet. Whereas Xuan has all of those AA, AK, AQ,..! hands as well as a bunch of other Ax that are likely to c-bet. So when it gets to the turn he has very few aces in his range, especially not the strongest aces, she has practically all the aces, and especially the strongest aces.
@@ennn3047 As far as the aces go it would just remove more aces from him and none from her. As far as the flushes go, he has significantly more XdXd going into the flop. There's just way more hands like Qd8d-Qd2d he'll defend, but are too trashy for her to open. He's probably not leading any of his flush draws. There's some amount he's check raising, but I don't know him well enough to know what he's doing that with besides KdXd.
Will you do a class at some point? You put out the best information, but over a long time and not collectet in a systematic way for learning. If you.would offer a class, i.would pay
Not sure if you’ve ever come across the German version of POL, but it was created a few years before S4Y, and the hand analysis, even back then is far superior to what you see here. It really highlights the gaps between US and European players. Most of what Xuan and Christian say in this video is mostly unimportant and far away from what some very strong online players focus on.
You’ll notice that Xuan’s river discussion is full of useless projection. She doesn’t mention a single item of importance and focuses on whether she can credibility represent a hand, which is a trait of very weak players, and demonstrates a lack of understanding of her strategy while trying to guess her opponent’s strategy.
The solver was not betting JT for value in the LJ's shoes so JT has basically equivalent equity as Ax, which he should have plenty of, not to mention other two pair combos as well. So among that group, JT was not a good calling candidate because it was blocking a number of bluffs and not blocking as much value.
@@Gos1234567exactly flushes and straights complete 1/3rd of the time if you combine them you are losing 36%+32% of the time. Sets flop 11% of the time so 80% of the time you are losing in this spot when villians leads 3 streets. But two pair is also a bluff catcher vs Ax and low pairs etc so 20% of the time hes gotta call off in order to not be exploited by her weak part of her range/pure bluffs.
I find this series so annoying. They just try and justify doing the most retarded plays by using a bunch of poker terms that they don’t really understand.
@@bookedroomer gotta admit I agree. Although I do think xuan is slightly more tilted to bluffs more than chin considers (generally players are more than solvers are so just because all the plays were ‘solver approved’ doesn’t mean to me that that was a good long-term fold). I think in practice if you’re gonna call the turn with a neutral EV hand like chin’s you shouldn’t really fold most rivers, seeing as you’re effectively bluff catching already on the turn
I'm going to stick with my strategy. (Raises eyes, sees woman) [Raise, reraise and move all in on all streets as required never folding] (Blame luck if lost) Edit: Holy shit just saw video, I couldnt have snapped fast enough and said you have AK with busted diamond also don't fold face up against professionals you noob
I didn't know that this 'poker out loud' concept existed. I like the the idea, however I find having to listen to the other players sniffle, cough, sigh, open cans etc. is really annoying.
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Solid play by Xuan. And what’s remarkable is that the only play she actually seems conflicted over is the River bet, where her intuition that Chin liked the river clashes with her GTO understanding that she needs to fire.
Yeah both were „on point“ but the snap checkback she read perfectly and still went for a good play.
@@johannesgerry4319yeah that’s dumb. With that kind of experience you have to trust your gut. Also garbage fold by chin. This is just a snap call.
@@TheTree1this is not a snap call. It's a very easy spot for her to underbluff and she's never value betting worse.
For his call to be +EV, she'd have to be over bluffing which is really hard to do here, so it's a good fold.
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It's a bluff though
This is a great breakdown and amazing idea to have them verbalize what they are thinking while playing live. It’s great that people do this while playing online but when ur at table it changes an aspect. Like I think if he was just running this hand thru the solver then he woulda got to the low pocket pairs (he also woulda known he hand the whole time) and made the hand out to some hero call scenario. Whereas on the felt, even tho it’s not real life it still holds weight and shows u may forget things or leave things out. Whether intentional or not. Nobody’s perfect and when u hit the felt and real moneys on the line snd the chips are physically in front of u it’s a different game
If you don't stop making poker concepts so easy, I'm gonna basically be Doug Polk soon.
There can only be one supreme leader.
Not sure what all these charts even mean.
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Great content as always! Keep them coming Maestro!
one of my favorite videos of yours so far, it was easy to follow but still packed with great info. Thank you!
Excellent video and even better homage to a great TV show (the background music).
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Thanks for the great content! She actually gave me a new perspective by talking about the "energy" he checked the river with. I'll consider that in my games from now on.
Live tells are 90% vibes
@@Dere2727 what do u mean by that?
@@rozabo A feeling that can't be explained very well.
Thats a pile of woo-woo
sure but then she immidiately went against it and executed based on fundamentals
I would guess folding JT relies on the LJ never betting AK and AQ on the river. I think in practice villians will sometimes bet these hands and JT becomes a close call
Such a great vid…thx!
Xuan impressed me here, the dudes talk also wasnt unimpressive hes improved
I feel like its important to remember the high stakes v low stakes distinction, in some low stakes lines you're allowed to get away with having no bluffs bc villains aren't playing correctly against it. basically playing more expolitative than gto the lower stakes you go
yeah I know in micros this would basically never work. You’re getting called with all Ax+. But that just means in turn you need to go for much thinner value
Great vidoe can you do more on range awareness?
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Wow. I did not expect JT to be a fold. That being said, J7s does call - so at my level I still think I wouldn't ever decide to call J7 and fold JT, I would be too scared of being valuebluffed.
why is nobody talking how spot on her sizings are on every street.
i prefer to just follow my heart ♥️♥️
Hi, first time watching this type of analysis and I love how the players's thought process is verbalized by themselves realtime in hand and the post edit comparison with Solver solutions.
However, one question I have here: The players facial expression and lip movements is very visible on the table, how does this factor into their thought process? Do they make a conscious effort not to look at their villian's face when the hand is in progress? (Chin's turn facial expression shows he is clearly uncomfortable with Xuan's bet OTT)
At 1/3 JT is calling all day 😂
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Extremely well played by Xuan, and also, not correct analyzed on everything, but good decisions by Christian.
I've imagined the perfect girlfriend, thin aggro asian girl with really good understanding of the game..
And there she is. Xuan !
If he barrels with a pot size bet or check raises after the A hits on the turn as a bluff how does she respond?
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I got over my" i got a diamond, so he cant have a flush syndrom" after losing stacks in flush over flush scenarios...
I dislike the word 'blocker' for this reason - having a diamond doesn't *block* your opponent from having a flush on a diamond board, it makes it marginally less likely and shifts the equilibrium.
Which diamonds you block, the preflop action, and the board texture all dictate how impactful those blockers actually are.
At 18:35 you add a note for K9s, Q9s, K8s stating that they are unlikely bluffs irl, could you shed some more light on why this is the case? Is it because these combos are hard for humans to take this line with? Thanks
yes I also didnt understand this read since I myself find it easier bluffing those hands (blocking nuts or potential bluff catchers blocking nuts) than PPs (complete non natural). And I'd consider that if it's easier for me, it probably is for other players
Because a K9/Q9s block villain's straight draws and flush draws which are the very bluffing hands that would fold to a river bet.
If you're bluffing with K9/Q9/K8 you have to ask yourself... "okay what else does villain have that misses if we're blocking a king/queen and 9 which are all straight draws and flush draws
One thing I don;t understand: "giving as much of villains range a difficult decision" -> I take as the decision is mixed or close in EV, but that seems to me that V can not make big mistakes then as they are so close in EV. What am I missing?
The mistakes will be on overfolding/overcalling over the long run and being exploited or choosing the wrong combinations to call/fold.
Rock paper scissors have three choices that have the same EV. In any one round you are welcome to pick anything, but if you always pick rock... You are correct that when we have a mixed choice the ev is the same so go ahead and fold 33 from UTG if you are changing music, taking a drink or something. Also, at lower limits population will have leaks like not 3/4 betting enough, if that's the case then one choice will have more ev then another. One more way to think about it, if you look at what we should do with our range in a spot you will find a break down like this: raise 13% call 60% fold 23% in this random example around half of the hands had a partial raise, but if we do this 100% then our range as a whole will be way to weak when we call and when we raise. I'm speaking generally not specifically to this example as i haven't watched it yet.
Is there anyone can explain why Ako is not even a possibility hand here per solver? Did i miss read the solver? I learned something about piker today to not bet AKo here, thanks
Which solver are u using ?
Why is the turn card advantageous for her? Could you provide a more in-depth explanation?
Out of the SB Chin is going to be 3 betting AA, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, JJ at something close to 100% preflop. On top of it being extremely unlikely that he has these hands any Ax hand without the Ad or a pair are folding to the flop bet. Whereas Xuan has all of those AA, AK, AQ,..! hands as well as a bunch of other Ax that are likely to c-bet. So when it gets to the turn he has very few aces in his range, especially not the strongest aces, she has practically all the aces, and especially the strongest aces.
How about Ad on the turn?
@@ennn3047 As far as the aces go it would just remove more aces from him and none from her. As far as the flushes go, he has significantly more XdXd going into the flop. There's just way more hands like Qd8d-Qd2d he'll defend, but are too trashy for her to open. He's probably not leading any of his flush draws. There's some amount he's check raising, but I don't know him well enough to know what he's doing that with besides KdXd.
Will you do a class at some point? You put out the best information, but over a long time and not collectet in a systematic way for learning. If you.would offer a class, i.would pay
Probably not, but solve for why has a 6 part series I did that lays out basically the whole GTOx system of analysis from beginning to end.
@@FindingEquilibriumyou should consider doing your own sir 💯
Well played hand, so many weaker players would have checked 66 OTT and folded river.
30 seconds in, Chin gives the urgent check check check check finger spaz. Minimum top pair. C/f 66 UI easy game
How are they able to talk during a hand without giving away anything? Even if muted you can read lips, body language, etc.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Really?
When i tried this in my 1 2 game i got called by 109o but thanks for video
@@CMCMTTTV wow deep
These videos arent for $1/2nl 😂 it's like watching a Magnus Carlsen chess video for your Checkers game
Not sure if you’ve ever come across the German version of POL, but it was created a few years before S4Y, and the hand analysis, even back then is far superior to what you see here. It really highlights the gaps between US and European players. Most of what Xuan and Christian say in this video is mostly unimportant and far away from what some very strong online players focus on.
You’ll notice that Xuan’s river discussion is full of useless projection. She doesn’t mention a single item of importance and focuses on whether she can credibility represent a hand, which is a trait of very weak players, and demonstrates a lack of understanding of her strategy while trying to guess her opponent’s strategy.
What is POL?
Guess, guess guess guess fingers crossed
Isn't there a huge timing tell? Or is she balancing her river talking range by filibustering with the nuts?
She could be thinking about her sizing with the nuts. Also explaining the spot
I don't see how J 10 is a fold. It moved him from the bottom of his range to the top
I'm wondering if he can fire with a T that isn't a diamond there. Flush draw coming in gives Xuan too many nutted value combos maybe?
The solver was not betting JT for value in the LJ's shoes so JT has basically equivalent equity as Ax, which he should have plenty of, not to mention other two pair combos as well. So among that group, JT was not a good calling candidate because it was blocking a number of bluffs and not blocking as much value.
cmon there a flush and straight out there,JT is just middle 2 pair.cmon bro
@@Gos1234567exactly flushes and straights complete 1/3rd of the time if you combine them you are losing 36%+32% of the time. Sets flop 11% of the time so 80% of the time you are losing in this spot when villians leads 3 streets. But two pair is also a bluff catcher vs Ax and low pairs etc so 20% of the time hes gotta call off in order to not be exploited by her weak part of her range/pure bluffs.
@@keithcosentino You think shes betting Ax as a bluff?
What these sims all lack is the adjustment of playing an ASIAN player. And woman. EZ call.
Chin is a fish
I find this series so annoying. They just try and justify doing the most retarded plays by using a bunch of poker terms that they don’t really understand.
Those first few seasons where berkey would like 5 bet trash hands cos obviously he didn’t have his music turned on were the worst
It's just a marketing ploy for their scam school.
I thought this video was going to tear into their usual terribad plays but this hand was pretty solid and the players analysis analysis was solid too
@@bookedroomer gotta admit I agree. Although I do think xuan is slightly more tilted to bluffs more than chin considers (generally players are more than solvers are so just because all the plays were ‘solver approved’ doesn’t mean to me that that was a good long-term fold). I think in practice if you’re gonna call the turn with a neutral EV hand like chin’s you shouldn’t really fold most rivers, seeing as you’re effectively bluff catching already on the turn
@@bookedroomer he rambles, she is better
Why Xuan looking like grandma
This seems like an incredibly unjuicy game.
I'm going to stick with my strategy.
(Raises eyes, sees woman)
[Raise, reraise and move all in on all streets as required never folding]
(Blame luck if lost)
Edit: Holy shit just saw video, I couldnt have snapped fast enough and said you have AK with busted diamond also don't fold face up against professionals you noob
I didn't know that this 'poker out loud' concept existed. I like the the idea, however I find having to listen to the other players sniffle, cough, sigh, open cans etc. is really annoying.