Should NFL teams draft Brock Bowers over Marvin Harrison Jr. & Malik Nabers? | 3 & Out x Mike Mayock

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  • Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
  • John Middlekauff is joined by former Las Vegas Raiders GM Mike Mayock to discuss the best fits for Georgia TE Brock Bowers and whether he's better than top WR prospects Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik Nabers. Mayock also shares his best defensive prospects in the 2024 NFL Draft.
    0:00 // Intro
    0:28 // Could Brock Bowers go ahead of Nabers and Harrison?
    3:42 // Evaluating top defensive prospects
    5:12 // What a good corner has to be able to do in the NFL
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  • @autumnwind1216
    @autumnwind1216 27 дней назад +35

    Malcom Koonce, Maxx Crosby, Nate Hobbs & Trevon Moehrig were all later round picks Mayock made. You could tell the coach made final say in the 1st rounders.

    • @MrFlip916
      @MrFlip916 23 дня назад

      You have no idea what you're talking about.

    • @user-zk3tg1ws4q
      @user-zk3tg1ws4q 19 дней назад +1

      Gruden was a horrible judge of talent. Look at what he did to dismantle the Tampa Bay team and he was behind the horrible reaches in the 1st round round for the raiders

    • @raiderteeezy5029
      @raiderteeezy5029 14 дней назад

      But mayock picked Clelin Ferrell because of “character”

    • @davidkaneradio
      @davidkaneradio 12 дней назад +1

      Absolutely, no clue why ppl/fans don’t get that

    • @paul4930
      @paul4930 2 дня назад

      Mayock definitely had a hand in picking Alex Leatherwood.

  • @Anhviet19
    @Anhviet19 27 дней назад +27

    Welcome to the nation

  • @lilSnubby
    @lilSnubby 25 дней назад +10

    Mayock - the genius who drafted Damon Arnette in the first round instead of Justin Jefferson

    • @user-zk3tg1ws4q
      @user-zk3tg1ws4q 19 дней назад

      Gruden wanted Arnette. Gruden was an egomaniac with no eye fir for talent

    • @motavice3499
      @motavice3499 18 дней назад

      Could you imagine adams and JJ on the raiders holysht

  • @dhazelwood85
    @dhazelwood85 Месяц назад +27

    The hack with TE is the contract. Kelce, little, hackenson, and La porta all bring WR 1 type skills for about half the salary cap hit. Mark Andrews too

    • @NoneYa831
      @NoneYa831 Месяц назад

      Once Kelce retires it’ll become irrelevant. He’s been keeping the market down for years

    • @williamhermann6635
      @williamhermann6635 Месяц назад +1

      Problem is all those guys are on good passing offenses thst highlight the tight end. Few teams in the nfl actually do that. How many 1st rounnd tight ends get drafted to bad teams and never live up to their draft billing? Happens all the time.

    • @okmiok
      @okmiok 21 день назад

      Yeah it’s a hack but that golden tight end is rare. We have 3 at Kelces level in the nfl

  • @MikeKollin
    @MikeKollin 27 дней назад +17

    That's my High school Friends Son!! He's so Proud! Hell we all are.
    HIs Father was an offensive lineman in high school and college
    and we were section champions... I was the Full Back!
    So Awesome!!

    •  27 дней назад

      Very cool. Hopefully Las Vegas treats him well. Good luck.

    • @LongieR8er
      @LongieR8er 26 дней назад

      Why did his dad have a shit face when the Raiders took him ?

    •  26 дней назад +2

      @@LongieR8er rumors are the family are 9ers fans.

    • @LongieR8er
      @LongieR8er 26 дней назад

      Ahhh I see

    • @LongieR8er
      @LongieR8er 25 дней назад +2

      I’d like to apologize to Brock Bowers dad and Family, I seen his reaction from another camera angle and it looked like he was happy for his Son….again my Apologies

  • @RRR-ox9ud
    @RRR-ox9ud Месяц назад +18

    I always thought Mayock worked for Gruden. Mayock was more of the information gather and grader and Gruden had the final say and pulled the trigger.

    • @williamhermann6635
      @williamhermann6635 Месяц назад +1

      And neither of them seemed to give a damn about character. They drafted Henry Ruggs and that cornerback from Alabama. He also signed Richie Incognito and traded for Antonio Brown. Its like they were trying to lead the league in jail time.

    • @jameshannagan4256
      @jameshannagan4256 27 дней назад +11

      @@williamhermann6635 Ruggs had no issues and was considered a high character guy that's why it shocked everybody when it happened. Some guys can't handle Vegas it's an issue for the Raiders and it's a shame I think he was going to be a star.

    • @genebrimage9150
      @genebrimage9150 27 дней назад

      Spot on

    •  27 дней назад

      Lol. Keeping it old school Raiders then? Unfortunately you're correct. Players are different today than back then. ​@@williamhermann6635

    • @user-zk3tg1ws4q
      @user-zk3tg1ws4q 19 дней назад

      Yep Gruden was behind all the bad 1st round picks.

  • @g.a.b.4914
    @g.a.b.4914 Месяц назад +13

    This guy (Mayock) drafted Clelin Ferrell with the 4th pick for my beloved Raiders......enuff said

    • @alamahony
      @alamahony 27 дней назад +5

      Now we have Bowers,nuff said.LMAO

    • @AlaskanRNFL
      @AlaskanRNFL 27 дней назад +10

      Gruden picked Ferrell. Myock was able to pick in the later rounds.

    • @SmellyVinegaryBallzach
      @SmellyVinegaryBallzach 27 дней назад +16

      It's called Context. He also stole Crosby if we're playing that game.

    • @alamahony
      @alamahony 27 дней назад

      @@AlaskanRNFL BULLSHIT

  • @0g_str8up
    @0g_str8up 27 дней назад +12

    Raidddddersssss

  • @hectorrivas4618
    @hectorrivas4618 27 дней назад +4

    Once you answer those questions you draft 6:30 Damon Arnette

  • @lordraiden1
    @lordraiden1 24 дня назад +2

    If Bowers and Mayer live up to their player comps you would be looking at Travis Kelce and Jason Witten in their young years.

  • @geno1825
    @geno1825 14 дней назад +1

    Can't wait to see my favorite team Raiders with Brock Bowers in the red zone scoring offense if offensive coaches use him like utility player Taysom Hill for Saints team & Brock Bowers played QB in the triple option system where he was successful in high school so get ready for lot TD'S instead of getting a bunch of Fg's for winning more games

  • @user-jp8zy5oj1v
    @user-jp8zy5oj1v 22 дня назад +1

    YEAH" The Lassiter kid from Georgia" yeah he's right up there with Damon Arnette

  • @yangthao1795
    @yangthao1795 Месяц назад +2

    i wonder if Gruden vetoed him on some draft picks, but they did seem to overlook character with some of their draft picks. drafting is hit or miss, but you cant miss high in the draft.

  • @samright4661
    @samright4661 Месяц назад

    He’s absolutely right about Lassiter! Dude is a great Corner

  • @GElley-jn9ic
    @GElley-jn9ic Месяц назад +7

    I love Mike Mayock. I respect his assessments.

  • @nicholaswoods4055
    @nicholaswoods4055 Месяц назад +4

    1. Harrison jr
    2. Nabers
    3. Odunze
    4. Bowers
    5. Thomas jr
    6. Ladd

    • @johngone1nonly
      @johngone1nonly 27 дней назад

      Damn man you called top 4

    • @Robert-fs1pb
      @Robert-fs1pb 21 день назад

      With the raiders he will quickly put do them all.

    • @analyticalinsight
      @analyticalinsight 14 дней назад

      Top 10 4 years from now
      Odunze
      Bowers
      Harrison
      Legette
      Pearsall
      Sinnott
      Nabers
      Thomas Jr
      Mcmillian
      Keon Coleman

  • @Matthew081980
    @Matthew081980 Месяц назад +1

    I don’t have an opinion on the guest, because I don’t know who he is, but I do like the idea of getting different perspectives on the draft. I’d like to see a coach, scout, and GM on a panel show.

    • @2Rumbles
      @2Rumbles 27 дней назад +1

      He was the Former GM OF THE LV RAIDERS

    • @user-np5ot7fg8v
      @user-np5ot7fg8v 26 дней назад +1

      @@2Rumbles Before that, he spent years doing exactly this, evaluating talent, except for ESPN and the NFL network.

    • @Searles007
      @Searles007 25 дней назад

      😂

  • @JackHammond-tq6cl
    @JackHammond-tq6cl Месяц назад +2

    Says the guy who drafted Clelin Ferrell with what the 4th overall pick? Literally the hardest position to miss on in the top 5, edge. Why? Because athletic measurables are a strong predictor at the position. Myles Garrett, Khalil Mack, Nick bosa etc. Now he’s telling us that a corner running 4.55 doesn’t matter? It does cause in the nfl they will run past you and if they can run past you it opens everything else up

  • @ncoleman6457
    @ncoleman6457 18 дней назад

    He made solid pics when he was GM

  • @Robert-fs1pb
    @Robert-fs1pb 25 дней назад

    One should not consider himself above another.just do what it take to contribute to teamates who also are contrbuting to the best of their ability.let the coaches decide what it takes to win.And who they want to play to try to win.

  • @user-cb2kw8hf1l
    @user-cb2kw8hf1l 27 дней назад +1

    If you think a 100 million wr is more important than a TE for half the price then you have t been watching the super bowls lately!

  • @marvinwilks5893
    @marvinwilks5893 9 дней назад

    In my opinion the Raiders are in good hands with the new general manager Tom Telesco and our head coach AP

  • @TheLinesEnd
    @TheLinesEnd Месяц назад +2

    Is Brock Bowers the greatest collegiate player at his position of all time? Yes. Okay now is Marv? No…okay then

  • @Robert-fs1pb
    @Robert-fs1pb 25 дней назад

    They all should just do their job.When called on

  • @Robert-fs1pb
    @Robert-fs1pb 21 день назад

    On the case of guardner minshew they picked someone lower.Tauglavia.

  • @702TifosiGambler
    @702TifosiGambler Месяц назад +2

    Harbaugh likes In Line TEs, think his TEs at Stanford, Vernon Davis etc, his TEs at Michigan
    I like Bowers at lot, I don't see the fit for Jim's down hill running, MHJ is the move if I'm Jimmie.

    • @AAblade7
      @AAblade7 Месяц назад

      So a TE who has solid blocking technique and can play halfback doesn’t work in down hill running?

    • @702TifosiGambler
      @702TifosiGambler Месяц назад

      @@AAblade7 I don’t think it’s a good fit, UGA was better offensively the previous year with Darnell as the In Line TE and Bowers primarily the receiving weapon, my opinion which means nothing to a draft room, Greg Roman is the OC you remember his play calling style? jumbo sets, run heavy sets, 22 personnel. Bowers better schematically with AZ,Den, Buf, Indy. Needs an OC with a proven track record of getting his weapons the ball creatively. His run block technique is fine but his run block strength is sub par for a Greg Roman offense.

    • @AAblade7
      @AAblade7 Месяц назад +1

      @@702TifosiGambler Yeah, but Darnell is a skinny OL to begin with so of course he’s the ideal blocking TE, but I wouldn’t hold that against bowers who still great at it. As to Greg Roman your right. I went back to looking at the Vernon Davis plays with San Francisco. Good load they underutilized him when Greg was running the offense.

    • @702TifosiGambler
      @702TifosiGambler Месяц назад

      @@AAblade7 Right the only time Roman unleashed TEs was the Bal year with Hurst, Andrews and that’s because most teams were scared to play man vs Lamar and he’d pick apart LBs in pass cov with short intermediate passes. Looking at LAC WRs I don’t see any defense scared to play man on them I think they’ll draft MHJ or trade back.

    • @AAblade7
      @AAblade7 Месяц назад

      @@702TifosiGambler they are probably looking for OL right now

  • @troypeylouret
    @troypeylouret 27 дней назад

    I remember when Mike mayock was the raiders GM lol.

  • @user-vp8xh2xs9x
    @user-vp8xh2xs9x 23 дня назад

    Gruden had 51% of decision making. Mayock had 20 years of success picking players until the Raiders

  • @l2sky3
    @l2sky3 Месяц назад

    Hopefully my patriots can draft a qb than trade back up into the first round. Double dip on this offensive talent

  • @davuhn2
    @davuhn2 Месяц назад

    I’m no world he goes above the top 3 receivers

  • @DJMatBlack83
    @DJMatBlack83 27 дней назад

    MAYOCK: with so much knowledge of the game. Been around football for 50 plus years.
    How could he draft so poorly in the first round?

  • @spiritualarchitect4276
    @spiritualarchitect4276 Месяц назад

    The Bears should draft Bowers at 9 and use him in the slot next to Cole Kmet. Take that Belichick!

    • @samright4661
      @samright4661 Месяц назад +1

      Yeah Williams and Brock together would be awesome

  • @quavo.d1722
    @quavo.d1722 Месяц назад

    He’s right about latu better than Dallas turner.

  • @libertas_americana
    @libertas_americana 25 дней назад

    This man should still have a job as GM.

    • @haghighi24
      @haghighi24 22 дня назад

      Ehh look who he drafted with his 2 1st round picks instead of ceedee lamb and Justin Jefferson in 2020

  • @franklimper2677
    @franklimper2677 27 дней назад

    Nor -Cal

  • @ventclinic945
    @ventclinic945 27 дней назад

    Raider nation

  • @Bambino_60
    @Bambino_60 Месяц назад

    Why would you listen to that dope Mayock

  • @thorinoaknshield871
    @thorinoaknshield871 27 дней назад

    Mikes eyes looking real demonic lol

  • @vjmccormack
    @vjmccormack 26 дней назад

    Why is that guy on the show? He was fired 😊😊😊😅😅😅

  • @danteketchens5828
    @danteketchens5828 22 дня назад

    Gruden was trying to destroy the raiders from the inside … Every 1st rd pick was a horrible pick and no longer with us . Plus he traded all our stars …

  • @stoney2271
    @stoney2271 18 дней назад

    Bowers over than until the raiders picked him, now everyone hates the pick and the kid lol

  • @gilbertdamianzendejas5988
    @gilbertdamianzendejas5988 Месяц назад +10

    Crazy how much Mayock fell off at one point he was so reputable and I loved what he had to say before he took the raiders GM job. He definitely showed he couldn’t draft.

    • @DWoodsII
      @DWoodsII Месяц назад +6

      Do you really think he drafted those players? Gruden pick those players homie. Mayock been on point for years picking players on TV. Gruden can’t stay out the way..

    • @williamhermann6635
      @williamhermann6635 Месяц назад +2

      Or hes all talk and has no idea wtf hes talking about

    • @cepolt
      @cepolt Месяц назад +1

      Unfortunately this interview just back that up; he sounds like he just doesn't know enough while at the same time having the ego to think he does. Maybe he would've been a good GM 25 years ago

    • @brianweatherbee8670
      @brianweatherbee8670 27 дней назад +1

      Maxx Crosby in the fourth round. He missed on some and hit on others. Just like every other GM.

    • @williamhermann6635
      @williamhermann6635 27 дней назад

      @@brianweatherbee8670 So he hit one 1 good player. How many 1st and 2nd rounders did he miss on?

  • @capecodraiders47
    @capecodraiders47 26 дней назад

    Mayock drafted Ruggs, I never seen such skinny calves on a grown man before. I remember one game Ruggs was trying to get an extra yard or 2 and the DB body slammed him. You aint body slamming Bowers. You used to punk Renfrow but you aint punking Bowers. Bowers Powers, hell if the Raiders didn't just draft a couple of enforcers. Who are you putting on him? LB? how many LB'ers are as twitchy? a CB? How many CB's are that big or strong? He just jumps out on tape like some video game player, I'm talking Techmo. Aidan O'Connell's mustache is a little wider today with all the smiling he has to be doing.

  • @brimk6088
    @brimk6088 25 дней назад

    Mayock didn't you drafted Ferrell m it does say's alot, im glad we have tom telesco, has a better IQ test than mayock

  • @familyfirst3746
    @familyfirst3746 Месяц назад

    Hell naw .

  • @Coop95
    @Coop95 Месяц назад +1

    This would be just like Atlanta drafting Pitts over Chase. It’s foolish

    • @ajpierre
      @ajpierre Месяц назад +1

      You haven’t watched one lick of UGA football

  • @BigKobe8
    @BigKobe8 Месяц назад +2

    First

  • @williamhermann6635
    @williamhermann6635 Месяц назад +6

    Taking a tight end in the first round is dumb.

    • @ajanijones
      @ajanijones Месяц назад +1

      unless you draft Kyle Pitts and he gets 1000 yards in his first season with my uncle playing QB

    • @williamhermann6635
      @williamhermann6635 Месяц назад +1

      @@ajanijones Kyle Pitts is a receiver, not a tight end, and we all know it. And besides that, hes an extreme outlier. If your strategy as a gm is to chase outliers then you're not gonna be a gm for long. Travis Kelce 3rd round, Gronk 2nd round, Kittle 5th round, Laporta 2nd round, Jimmy Graham 4th round, even the Packers just drafted 2 really good tight ends in the 2nd and 3rd rounds last year. I could go on and on. Inversely, the list of 1st round tight ends who have sucked is quite long. Its a fool's errand.

    • @theinfiniterush
      @theinfiniterush Месяц назад +4

      If you could get Gronk, Gates, or Kelce in the first round, you definitely do.

    • @williamhermann6635
      @williamhermann6635 27 дней назад

      @@theinfiniterush But none of them were even 1st round picks. Kittle was a 5th rounder and Gates wasnt even drafted.

  • @chm97chm97
    @chm97chm97 Месяц назад +2

    Anyone taking Bowers over the top 3 WRs is idiotic. Bowers is a no before 15 and that is a STRETCH.

    • @PapaJoe224
      @PapaJoe224 22 дня назад

      I promise you that Bowers is going to exceed your valuation of him.

  • @thangyselfmade7028
    @thangyselfmade7028 Месяц назад +7

    This dude does not know how to draft 😅

    • @nicyee3701
      @nicyee3701 Месяц назад +2

      He is just a California homer.

    • @travisoshea
      @travisoshea Месяц назад +1

      gotta love people saying this who have probably never even written a scouting report of even know one word of the scouting language

    • @antoniolemus2774
      @antoniolemus2774 Месяц назад +2

      He drafted Maxx Crosby in the 4th round

    • @bankster3844
      @bankster3844 Месяц назад +1

      @@travisosheaOP was speaking facts. Mike Mayock is a failed GM. Nothing wrong with stating facts.

    • @moemo284
      @moemo284 Месяц назад

      ​@@travisosheathis is 98% of the internet in any comment that is made

  • @alan3552
    @alan3552 27 дней назад +1

    Mayock might go down as one of the worst draft analysts to ever exist. Just look at what he did as the Raiders GM. He set them back maybe 10 years. Gruden gets half the blame as well cause it was his decision when it came down it

    • @marquise7200
      @marquise7200 26 дней назад

      He drafted Crosby

    • @alan3552
      @alan3552 25 дней назад

      @@marquise7200true but one out of how many busts? The percentage is terrible. He’s still a terrible draft analyst

  • @Justin-us2tu
    @Justin-us2tu Месяц назад +19

    He took guys much higher when the rest of the NFL had graded the players much lower. Arrogance. Not a credible guest. But wish him all the best going forward in life.

    • @travisoshea
      @travisoshea Месяц назад +18

      not a credible guest? hahahaha please think about what you just said

    • @jonathanruiz7877
      @jonathanruiz7877 Месяц назад +8

      I wouldn’t go as far as insulting him like that … but can’t argue with what you said … he sometimes is “the smartest guy in the room” one too many times

    • @pauliej345
      @pauliej345 Месяц назад +4

      I agree . His drafts have been horrible. Hunter Renfrow and Max Crosby were his best picks. Jacobs was solid rb but he took him in rd 1 and prob could have gotten equal value later. Overall was a terrible drafter and why he got fired and not hired anywhere else

    • @DWoodsII
      @DWoodsII Месяц назад +11

      GRUDEN picked the players. Don’t be naive

    • @antoniolemus2774
      @antoniolemus2774 Месяц назад +13

      Maxx Crosby in the 4th round is one of the best draft picks ever

  • @MicDropFacts
    @MicDropFacts 21 день назад

    Right off the rip guy doesn't know what he's saying. Brock Bowers has better hands. He's way faster it's not even close. More endurance. Way better vertical. way better route running. But that's okay compare him to George kittle a guy who's injured for half the season the last 4 years. 🤦 Symfm. George cattle is a LensCrafters employee not a tight end.