I look forward to a few years when WWE do a documentary on Daniel Bryan and talk about how Bryan winning the title at Mania was always the plan and fans should have just been patient.
Dude thats what I’ve said for years. And people ACTUALLY believe it. Think about it; it took a man who walked out one night to change plans for Mania and made the best Wrestlemania of the 2010s. Bonkers that they say it was all their idea when Danielson was supposed to face freakin Sheamus that year
I've never heard anyone ever say that, don't know why theyd do that either seeing as that is the hook of that whole scenario and what sells the ending to it all. If I'm not mistaken theres already a book or documentary about that whole thing called something like "my crazy journey to the main even of wrestlemania"
“We all but _begged_ the fans to get behind Daniel Bryan! We knew he was the future. But I guess they thought we were shoving him down their collective throat inorganically. They wanted Roman Reigns. So we threw up our hands and said, ‘Suffering succotash! Book Rome for the next 14 Wrestlemanias, I guess.’”
I always found it funny that not only they lie about the impact the segment had on the war (which was probably close to a 2/10 in relevance), but also they keep saying they went to wcw aboard a tank. Even though they are showing you filmographic evidence that they were riding a jeep.
I'll never forget the one documentary where the talking heads had to lie through their teeth about not having John Cena on the chopping block and were ready to fire him because he just couldn't get over with the crowd in 2002 even though they themselves had given him nothing to work with and it wasn't until Paul Heyman vouched for him, and Stephanie heard him free styling. Funny how Heyman never comes up in this stuff.
Something not mentioned about Montreal was when Alundra Blaze, as Madusa, showed up on Nitro with the WWF Women’s Championship belt and dropped it in a bin, WWF sued over intellectual property (ie. their property being illegally shown elsewhere). Had Bret shown up on Nitro with the WWF Championship belt, WCW would’ve been dragged back to court. Another was in Vince’s ‘Bret screwed Bret,’ he says he got his black eye tripping over Pat Patterson. This was, again, trying to get support from the fans of whom Vince thought would see him as the babyface. In reality, Bret got out of the shower, grabbed Vince, and thumped him. This was why Vince was seen staggering away at the end of Wrestling With Shadows.
How about when WWF showed WCW's championship when Ric Flair jumped ship while still holding the title? WWF was sued, and any showings of the belt after that had it blurred out.
Eric bishoff has said multiplied times he would have announced on nitro had Bret won that wcw had signed the current WWF champion. Everyone of WWF brass knew that and understood that couldn’t happen.
Watch Bret Hart versus Shawn Michaels survivor series 1992.... At one point Shawn Michaels gets a close count but Brett kicks out of it.... Listen to what Bobby The Brain Heenan says about it and then tell me that the Montreal screwjob wasn't set up. And I mean everybody knew about it. Even Brett.
@@mikeabney2527 smoke some more why don't you? So the whole thing was planned since 1992? C'mon dude... In fact, don't smoke any more, I think you've had enough lol
One of the biggest lies was Vince saying he never intended on putting the territories out of business, which is an all-out, bald-faced lie. He intentionally put a bunch of them under.
You're describing things that epitomize the fragility of his ego, but attributing it to the strength of the thing. Goes to show how backwards people's definitions are. "ego" = source of bad things. No reasoning is ever given.
As cornette once said "If Andre wanted you to slam him you slammed Andre, if Andre didn't want you to slam him you didn't slam him." The bodyslam for as basic a move as it is, still requires 2 working parts. The guy taking the move could just sandbag his weight and not let the other guy lift him, Andre had to stay light on his feet, move around in hogan's arms and hogan had to lift the near 500lbs as best he could and turn him over into the slam. Both men worked together for the legendary spot. And for the money Andre was probably getting at that late stage of his career, there's no way he was going to snub hogan and WWE.
I remembered Jake the snake saying something to the same effect in Joe (rogan's) podcast and in a WWF house show (since at that time Andre and Jake where riding buddies) Andre told Jake to slam him in said house show.
Yeah if you watch a bodyslam especially of a big guy the one being slammed puts his left arm around the back of the others neck and right hand on the others leg pushing themselves up with their arms to make slamming them easier.
@@bloodangel13 And that's Jake being allowed to slam Andre, and Andre didn't even like Jake! But Andre did respect, perhaps even like, Hogan as the 'leader' by all accounts.
@@JeremiahEcks777 I highly doubt Andre respects Hogan 'cause when they where touring Japan (Andre being the veteran between them) was throwing empty beer cans at Hogan while in a bus to the next venue.
And yet another Hogan lie is when he says he got "that big nasty giant up over his head." Even with Andre going up for the slam Hogan barely had him up about chest high. If he'd have been able to slam Andre from over his head, Andre would never have walked again.
Andre actually went in for business himself against Hogan at WM3, we just don’t know that because Hulk flew around the world counter clockwise and reversed time, hence why it happened the way it did… it’s all in Hogans biography
A recent lie from the A&E rivals show on Bret vs Shawn Pritchard: Bret didn’t want to drop the belt to Shawn and that’s not Bret’s choice. In reality, Bret had a final 30 day creative control clause in his contract. Overall it’s hating on Bret for doing the same thing they let Hogan do to him.
Was just watching an A&E special on Stone Cold and they made it seem as if the Austin 3:16 promo put him into the next level. At that time, Austin was truly gaining traction after that but it took him almost two years after that to get the belt and you're right, it wasn't until Bret came in and legitimized him that is when he really got over.
THANK YOU! Idiots who clearly weren't alive when it happened or weren't watching also try to claim this all the time. It definitely helped him, but it wasn't the rocket to his back that people make it out to be.
@@retrokoh I was born 8 months after Brock almost killed himself in that match with Kurt Angle and even I realise that the aftermath of Wrestlemania 13 kinda got Stone Cold iver as he showed legitimate toughness.
Bull crap. Until that night.... people didn't care about him. That's the lie...I went to the shows. His matches were bathroom breaks.... the night after the promo people had Austin signs all over the place but very few if any before
When I was 10, I both saw and felt, Survivor Series ‘96 live at MSG. This was the first match between Bret and Austin, months before the double turn. On paper, Austin was the clear heel. He’d been steadily gaining steam with the more hardcore fans since the King of the Ring promo, but that night as a kid (one who almost exclusively rooted for the heels), the reaction Austin got, told me “oh wow. I had no clue there were this many heel fans”. If I’d been older, I’d would have realized that what I was actually witnessing, was the crowd continuing to turn him organically. You could feel it in the air. He was gonna be a super star babyface. But it wasn’t until a year+ later that “the trigger” was fully pulled
I listen to a bunch of the Conradverse Podcasts but the fact anyone takes a word that Bischoff or Bruce says seriously never fails to amaze me. Two of the most carny grifters in a business filled with them
It wasn't a single turn for me. I did respect Austin more afterwards but I still hated him for screwing Bret on multiple occasions and I wanted to move to Canada afterwards 🤣
Eh, classifying it as a double turn is a simplification for ease of discussion I guess. You can split hairs about Austin becoming more popular and Bret starting to "bitch and moan" as he put it, but the feud as a whole was still a double turn, with the WM13 match being the climax of it.
Umm..Shawn didn't wake up one day and decide to kick Marty through a window. Savage didn't waffle Hogan with a belt because of low blood sugar. There were many smaller events that lead up to a specific action that solidifies the turn. The storytelling moments aren't the turn. I shouldn't have to tell you this Luke. Awesome video though. Stay awesome.
WCW would've lasted longer if AOL/Time Warner actually backed the product. Maybe there wouldn't have been a "Monday Night War" anymore, but the promotion probably would've still been going in some way, much like how TNA/Impact Wrestling still exists.
WCW didn't fail, it was just stupidly sold off for no good reason. Nitro was getting 2.0+ ratings in 2001. Today (2022) RAW and Dynamite are lucky if they get over a 0.5 rating. The idea that WCW failed is a completely fabricated myth.
Jim Cornette has said Montreal happened because Vince didn't trust Eric Bischoff's promise to keep quiet about Bret signing to WCW. That's believable but somehow it turned into Bret would literally show up on Nitro with the belt.
Yeah that's just nonsense cause Bret was always going to be out the door after survivor series anyway. He probably just would've showed up on Raw the next night to give up the title and bischoff still probably would've announced Bret on the same nitro, cause he's bischoff
@@chuckaveli87 He wasn't. He was booked for matches after that and planned to fill out his contract. The only reason he left suddenly was because of the screwjob.
two other lies #1. The original version of DX was "legendary" no it wasn't. The HBK version did start to plant seeds and even thought they were heels they were over with The Teen fans and the audience was turning, when the HHH/DX army version came out.HBK was forgotten really quickly,so when he came back to rejoin(when Chyna was still alive) it was really...... awkward cause some younger fans were like "HE was in DX?" and it showed that HHH didn't really need him nor DX. #2. Time Warner said to Eric Bischoff and Fusient "we'll give you the wcw trademarks,the merch and even the rings..but we're not giving you the TV time" and for E.B. there was no way in hell, he was or could find a Syndication deal for WCW, in time and keep some form of momentum cause the plan was there was gonna a PPV called WCW:The Big Bang that was gonna re-start everything wcw. WCW ended because the executives at TNT were dicks ,now ironically 20 years later AEW is on TNT
So much of this is them downplaying brett. It's honestly sad. I watched every raw from start until wrestlemania 17 while I was at uni and brett was right up there with austin and rock for me
Facts. The way he shifted his character gradually from top baby-face to frustrating baby-face to whiny Bret to heel in USA only was amazing. They always act as if he would never have been able to fit into the attitude era but everyone forgets how amazing he was on the mic and, let's not forget, in the ring. His Owen tribute match with Benoit says it all
@@kalebstuckey570 phones these days automatically “correct” words/names. I’m not sure if the extra “t” added on to “Bret” is cause for suspicion of Liam’s fandom. The entire post is him stating how he feels Bret was downplayed, followed by his account of when his fandom was at it’s biggest. Then finally he explained that he holds Bret in the same esteem, as two of the biggest, most accomplished, talented names in the history of wrestling. That sounds like a fan in my book
To be fair The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior isn't the lie, it's the revisionist stuff to try to make him look great afterwards that was the lie.
The crazy thing is the hit job video was fucc’d up but everything that was said was true. Everyone who had negative things to say about warrior still said them years later
I couldn't agree more. The revisionism is what makes me feel uncomfortable. I liked Warrior's work better when I knew he was a homophobic paranoid bigot but I could separate his insanity from his being work. Now WWE have us give honour to Saint Warrior and they make humanitarian rewards about him and his family. That puts me off even more than his bigotry, somehow, because it's like WWE saying 'we know he was a homophobe but he was actually a really good guy.'
@@JeremiahEcks777 This is the same company who believes they were right to screw over Bret, a guy who helped the company through it’s roughest patches, the reason the Rock was able to become the biggest star in wrestling during the Kliq’s backstage push-murdering politicking that befell to so many others and someone who did his job professionally unlike HBK. A company now ran by a Kliq member. It’s hard to side with Vince when he’s allowed the likes of Hogan and the Kliq to walk over him as well as his history of underhanded tactics during the 1980’s boom but whines if someone does it to him. If anything with what we’ve learned over the years, I think Bret should have stood him up that night. Guy sided with HBK who would have easily done the same himself in a heartbeat when given the chance. In the case of the Warrior, Vince buried him with that DVD and tries to act like it didn’t exist when Jim went into the HOF. Only because of that DVD did Bret decided come back to the fold when they tried to do the same to him.
Jake Roberts backed up Hogan’s claim about Andre not possibly letting Hogan go over on Jericho’s podcast. Jake was the one playing cards with Andre, and he said that Andre said “I like the idea of having the WWF Championship.” He was screwing with Hogan and Vince the whole time, but Hogan wasn’t lying about not knowing if Andre was gonna let Hogan go over.
@@bluhmer1990 lol Hogan has lied a lot, but this instance isn’t one of them. Idk where you got the idea that Jake is a liar except for when he was struggling with addiction. This isn’t a story that benefits him at all. He has no reason to go along with a lie that has little to do with him. Only Hogan and Vince benefit from this wrestling tale. He isn’t very close with any of them. Hell he’s working for their competition AEW.
Andre comes from an era where if he wanted to not do business he didn’t do business. The fact that fans really don’t understand this context is amazing
@@kylekunce7867 Well, that last part is only relevant if Jake commented on it in the past few years. But, I agree that Jake would have nothing to gain by backing up a lie, if it was. Not like he and Hogan were ever close, so it isn't backing up his buddy. Though, if anything, it's putting over Andre. Essentially saying that no-one could have made Andre do anything he didn't want to do, including Hogan.
I realize why I loved the Brother Love character so much. Playing a crooked televangelist came naturally to Bruce. Brother Love was some paid to continually lie on television, just like Bruce!! 😂😂
Thank you, THANK YOU for calling out Prichard in this. It's not enough for the guy to be a creepy, sleazy coward who reveled in politicking; he's also completely full of sh*t in recalling it.
If you wanna be technical about it , Shawn actually did start the Attitude Era in WWE. Saying that he wasn’t really apart of the attitude is also incorrect. He wrestled from 1997 to 1998 then retired from in ring performance however he came back as Commissioner later that year until late 1999. To say he wasn’t apart of the attitude era is kind of weird in my opinion
The 'Bret screwed Bret' line is the most misquoted line in wrestling history. Vince never said 'Bret screwed Bret' He said 'Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart'
This was a very good video. I always appreciate it when you guys post new material that you don’t talk about every week. Maybe do something like top 10 Sunday Night Heat matches at some point.
I had the opportunity to meet Sarge at a comic convention last year! When asked about the moving of the wrestlemania show he said that the bomb threats weren't a lie but they were made twords his family not the actual arena. Vince took the story and ran with it going so far as to put armed security with Sarge and his family for the duration of the gimmick
DX pushed boundaries as much as Goldust did. And while I wouldn't put them at Steve Austin level of importance, they were a key component of the attitude era.
shawn michaels was present in the attitude era he just didn’t wrestle after 98 😂 and they were the architects of it they are the ones that put austin over as the next top guy but they ran walked before he could run.
The DX thing is simply your opinion. Michaels may not have been present for the majority of the attitude era, but he was absolutely in the first commercials/promos that showed wrestlers faces, then showed the new “scratch logo“ and the word “attitude“... which is LITERALLY where “the attitude era” phrase comes from. And while everyone you mentioned was absolutely essential to that era, especially Stone cold and rock, DX was a MAJOR part of the entertainment and why I’ll in my friends tuned in. “Suck it” with the crotch chop made its way into football, baseball and general pop culture. In this particular example, you’re the one who’s doing revisionist history, even if you actually believe it to be true
Awesome list, Luke and well presented as always. The word indoctrinated is honestly perfect for most of these and not just the screwjob. Honestly, I am sure this topic could be made into 2 more lists but these ones are certainly the most notable.
There's a difference between the fans turning Austin & Bret and the company officially pulling the trigger. Therefore the "Double Turn" is NOT a lie. It was WWE officially pulling the trigger because they seen what the fans were doing.
Something to correct you on: Slaughter wasn't a career baby face before the 90s. In fact, the character started as a heel managed by The Grand Wizard in 1980. He didn't turn face until 1984 to feud with Iron Sheik.
Actually, Shawn and HHH, along with The Kliq, went to VKM about 10 times trying to get him to change up the company. When Vince finally decided to let the guys be more like themselves, the Attitude Era was born. That’s why they say they were behind it.
To be honest, I feel like the lie about the name change in the Ruthless Aggression doc was the most unnecessary of all of these, because you can literally use the fact that they were forced into a name change and spin it as an opportunity in the making. You can use the truth to weave a narrative and it won't come across nearly as scummy, and in reality it just makes Vince look like more of a genius if they do that, because it shows an ability to come up with ideas that help the company recover from any situation. Admitting failing in hindsight like this is a good way to show one's strength at succeeding in spite of that, way more than acting like someone didn't fail is.
The attitude area was because of all the buzz ECW was getting and Vince saw a way to help his fledgling companie. So he decided to do what ECW was doing.
@@MattxxMatt I Have The Rise and Fall of ECW on DVD and it's an amazing DVD and Documentary and the DVD'S has a ton of Extras which is very interesting.
As for Hogan and Andre, Hogan had slammed him a few years prior to WM3 at Shea Stadium so why would Andre let Hogan slam him then but not at WM3? Then again WWE never mentions that first part.
Watched that Evil Docu show last week. And you just see, hear and feel the lies at points...one thing they overdid (Like always) was the cheer button...sigh...
@@JeremiahEcks777 Most of his career before WWF, and his early appearances for the Federation. Look up his bootcamp match with Pat Patterson. He was heel.
While I believe Bret Hart was willing to surrender the title on the Raw after Survivor Series, why would WWE ever allow their champion to leave without putting anyone over? In some ways, the Montreal Screwjob was always destined to happen. Bret was never going to agree to put Shawn over and WWE were never going to allow him to leave Survivor Series as the champion.
@@sershallo5969 i believe the contract he signed gave him creative freedom of the finishes of his matches, i forgot what timestamp but it was said in the cultholic docu about it
@@Adum Never understood how it was allowed to get so overcomplicated, but nobody came across well in the screwjob. First, if Hogan had famously refused to lose on his way out, nobody would be on his side. Handing over the belt later or losing on a lesser show are both non-options for WWE. Sure, Bret didn't want to lose in Canada but changing the belt on the big show has more significance than doing it on a random episode of Raw. However, WWE were not faultless either. They wrote into Bret's contract that he had creative control without thinking ahead. He was under no obligation to do anything in the company's interest, but showed a sliver of professionalism by offering to lose to anyone other than Shawn. While Bret wasn't exactly a beacon of excellence in his behaviour, he held all the cards and offered them an out which they refused to take. Finally, the decision to lie to Bret was at best moronic and at worst malicious. There were plenty of options they could've taken. They could've taken the high ground despite Bret leaving, having Bret lose to someone he respected. Alternatively, they could've had the maturity to meet with Bret to find a compromise - stripping him of the belt if none could be reached. Long story short, the whole thing was petty nonsense between a guy refusing to respect the business and a company refusing to honour their contract.
On 83 Weeks, Eric Bischoff has said that Sting was never going to be the third guy. Then on the WWE Evil episode on Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Bischoff said Sting was going to be the third guy. So was he or wasn't he?
Wasn't. I've never heard anything about Sting being the third guy and if he was, Nash and Hall would have really driven that home. I don't think they had a plan for a third guy until Hogan insinuated himself.
The way I understand it Bischoff always wanted Hogan to be the third guy, but Hogan originally turned it down. So Bischoff felt the only guy who would have the same sort of impact.(although not as big obviously) was Sting. Hogan later changed his mind so they went back to the original plan, however, Bischoff still worried Hogan may change his mind (as his contract allowed him to do) so he asked Sting to be back up, in case that happened. So Sting was never SUPPOSED to be the third man, but if Hogan had backed out he would have been, of course none of that happened so it's not mentioned too often.
Corny explained the whole bret showing up in WCW. Bret wasn't going to show up. They knew that. BUT if Bret held the time after that night there was a fear bischoff would have went on live nitro saying he signed the wwf champion and that would've set an avalanche up of much worse.
Honestly, the lies they've told over the years have absolutely soured me on the product. Vince literally has zero integrity, combined with maximum arrogance. And the stooges he has surrounding him just make him even worse. Stopped watching WWE years ago, and have not missed it once. Nice to see a company like AEW actually reward and honour its performers, as well as telling the truth.
I don't think everything in the self-destruction of the Ultimate Warrior was a lie. one of the clips used was Triple H in 2000 (way before the documentary was in production) talking about how Ultimate Warrior was unprofessional leading up to their match at Wrestlemania 12. how he pleaded with him to not no sell the pedigree, which warrior still did anyways. Also Bobby Henen made it clear in other interviews and his book that he didn't like warrior calling him a buffon with no idea what he was doing in the ring.
The whole Owen Hart DVD being sold LEGALLY should've been a lie, because it was made by WWE producers & the Hart family members still indebted to WWE/Vince McMahon (Natalya Neidhart, Tyson Kidd, Bret Hart following his comeback to avoid the "Screwed" hit piece getting made in favor of the favorable DVD with him involved, Keith Hart, Bruce Hart, Diana Hart Smith, Ellie Hart, etc.), WITHOUT Martha Hart's consent when she has LEGAL rights over Owen's likeness & has held a grudge against WWE ever since Owen's tragic death at Over the Edge 1999 & the LEGAL aftermath that followed (with WWE even sending their questionable attorney Jerry McDevitt against Martha in a countersuit bid after the tragedy happened & years later, even sending him again after Martha, Oje, and Athena for the Darkside of the Ring season 2 finale episode).
The screwjob is always an odd story. Way Cornette explains it is that they knew Bret would not show up with the belt on Nitro. But Vince did not want Bischoff to get on Nitro and talk about his WcW guy being the champ in WWF. Really I like and trust Cornette on a lot of the older stuff and he is fun to hear rave
The one that pisses me off the most is Gerald Briscoe saying that a company the year before Wrestlemania did a show and wasn't successful. Funny he was on that show it was call Starcade. And yes Starcade was a success. That how Vince came up with the idea of Wrestlemania. The part that kills me is Vince's yes man was on the Starcade dvd putting it over. Then when the Wrestlemania dvd came out he buried it.
I don't know if it was all ready mentioned but Sargent Slaughter started out as a vicious heel managed by the Grand Wizard. He was still a patriot but played up the cruel sadistic drill Sargent who tortured his opponents eventually turning face against the Iron Sheik.
This list is an important lesson. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND DON'T EXPECT THE TRUTH FROM THE BIGGEST VOICE IN WHATEVER SUBJECT YOU FIND INTERSET IN. History isn't written by the victors completely, but they do control what the mainstream public sees and what ends up in our subconscious.
No The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior was not a lie. Jim Hellwig was garbage.. Just look up some of the stuff he said in his seminars or on his blogs. He was delusional and he was crazy. It's amazing with everything out there that's accessible as far as crazy stuff he said that WWE still holds him in such high regard, then again Hulk Hogan....Shame on you WrestleTalk, you know better!
Not sure why Andre wouldn’t have gone along with it at Wrestlemania 3: It wasn’t the first time anyone had picked him up for a body slam, and it wasn’t even the first time Hulk Hogan had. 😂
The Bret vs Austin match WAS in fact a double turn lol. Bret was showing signs of turning heel before mania but hadn’t gone all the way until the match itself. Austin was being cheered but wasn’t officially a face until that match itself.
For what it's worth, Bret told the Hogan-Andre story too in his book. (He let Andre know that Hulk wasn't sure he'd "do the honors," and Andre chuckled and said "Well let's just let him think that for a while." Briscoe & Vince mention it in the WrestleMania doc too. You can say it looks suspect, but Bret claiming it in a book he wrote while on the outs with WWE kind of confirms that one. He was scared, but Andre was always going to lay down.)
If I remember right WWE successfully sued WCW over the woman's title belt. WCW would not have opened up themselves to a second lawsuit that they would likely lose, again.
Me and my 3 friends were WCW guys and all 4 of us jumped to WWF and are WWE fans to this day bc of DX. A matter of fact all of us liked heel DX Shawn Michaels better than anti-hero Babyface Stone Cold.
Yep, I liked DX more than Austin too. So Luke is wrong there because he's stating an opinion as 'myth busting fact'. It's not a fact. I know loads of people who were drawn because of DX. The Attitude era worked because everybody was hot! A specific act might not be your cup of tea - tongues speaking crucifying Taker was NOT mine - but it doesn't mean it didn't draw!!!!
You're just jealous of Hogan bodyslamming the 900 pound Andre the giant in front of 500000 screaming hulkamaniacs, brother.
500,000 screaming Hulkamaniacs in one building sounds like a terrifying thing to look at, let alone hear
And he did over 500 times in one year on almost 500 nights don’t be mad it adds up hahaha
that doesn’t work for me brother 😎
For the first time, too. No, really.
and after he slammed Andre .Hogan went to film a movie where he Met Mark Callaway and said he'd make a great addition to the Locker room brother
I look forward to a few years when WWE do a documentary on Daniel Bryan and talk about how Bryan winning the title at Mania was always the plan and fans should have just been patient.
Dude thats what I’ve said for years. And people ACTUALLY believe it. Think about it; it took a man who walked out one night to change plans for Mania and made the best Wrestlemania of the 2010s. Bonkers that they say it was all their idea when Danielson was supposed to face freakin Sheamus that year
That definitely will be the case 😂
@@Venemofthe888 Not quite, but close, 3rd time in 4 years. At 29 Sheamus was fighting in a 6-man tag with Orton and Big Show against The Shield.
I've never heard anyone ever say that, don't know why theyd do that either seeing as that is the hook of that whole scenario and what sells the ending to it all. If I'm not mistaken theres already a book or documentary about that whole thing called something like "my crazy journey to the main even of wrestlemania"
“We all but _begged_ the fans to get behind Daniel Bryan! We knew he was the future. But I guess they thought we were shoving him down their collective throat inorganically. They wanted Roman Reigns. So we threw up our hands and said, ‘Suffering succotash! Book Rome for the next 14 Wrestlemanias, I guess.’”
The biggest lie/myth is that DX "invasion" of WCW had any significance at all....
"History is written by the victors"
I always found it funny that not only they lie about the impact the segment had on the war (which was probably close to a 2/10 in relevance), but also they keep saying they went to wcw aboard a tank. Even though they are showing you filmographic evidence that they were riding a jeep.
I doesn't, 'cause they where instructed to bail out of there the moment they saw Rick Rude and Haku.
@@bloodangel13 in fairness, Haku might have killed one of them in a shoot fight.
@@Majora1988 All of them*
I'll never forget the one documentary where the talking heads had to lie through their teeth about not having John Cena on the chopping block and were ready to fire him because he just couldn't get over with the crowd in 2002 even though they themselves had given him nothing to work with and it wasn't until Paul Heyman vouched for him, and Stephanie heard him free styling.
Funny how Heyman never comes up in this stuff.
The biggest lie they keep bringing up is DX arriving at WCW in a 'tank'....... that little Jeep, is not a tank.
Road Dogg has admitted it on his podcast.
True that, pal. I've driven a Jeep. I have NEVER driven a tank. Might be fun though...
The "F" they got rid of stood for "facts" 🤣
Beautiful Comment, Absolutely Beautiful!
Something not mentioned about Montreal was when Alundra Blaze, as Madusa, showed up on Nitro with the WWF Women’s Championship belt and dropped it in a bin, WWF sued over intellectual property (ie. their property being illegally shown elsewhere). Had Bret shown up on Nitro with the WWF Championship belt, WCW would’ve been dragged back to court.
Another was in Vince’s ‘Bret screwed Bret,’ he says he got his black eye tripping over Pat Patterson. This was, again, trying to get support from the fans of whom Vince thought would see him as the babyface. In reality, Bret got out of the shower, grabbed Vince, and thumped him. This was why Vince was seen staggering away at the end of Wrestling With Shadows.
How about when WWF showed WCW's championship when Ric Flair jumped ship while still holding the title? WWF was sued, and any showings of the belt after that had it blurred out.
Eric bishoff has said multiplied times he would have announced on nitro had Bret won that wcw had signed the current WWF champion. Everyone of WWF brass knew that and understood that couldn’t happen.
While it obviously couldn’t happen and Bret wouldn’t have done it even it if was possible I do think Vince was paranoid enough to think it would
Watch Bret Hart versus Shawn Michaels survivor series 1992....
At one point Shawn Michaels gets a close count but Brett kicks out of it....
Listen to what Bobby The Brain Heenan says about it and then tell me that the Montreal screwjob wasn't set up. And I mean everybody knew about it. Even Brett.
@@mikeabney2527 smoke some more why don't you? So the whole thing was planned since 1992? C'mon dude... In fact, don't smoke any more, I think you've had enough lol
Quite a few of these come down to Vince McMahon’s ego and his unwillingness to admit mistakes and want to be “the right one.”
More than quite a few. I think Vince is responsible for all lies that's ever been told, especially if he's not the one that told them.
He lives in a world of make believe. Everything from PPV attendance to first names are all fugazi
think of it from his pov. He's a businessman. The world isn't sunshine and rainbows.
One of the biggest lies was Vince saying he never intended on putting the territories out of business, which is an all-out, bald-faced lie. He intentionally put a bunch of them under.
You're describing things that epitomize the fragility of his ego, but attributing it to the strength of the thing.
Goes to show how backwards people's definitions are. "ego" = source of bad things. No reasoning is ever given.
As cornette once said
"If Andre wanted you to slam him you slammed Andre, if Andre didn't want you to slam him you didn't slam him."
The bodyslam for as basic a move as it is, still requires 2 working parts. The guy taking the move could just sandbag his weight and not let the other guy lift him, Andre had to stay light on his feet, move around in hogan's arms and hogan had to lift the near 500lbs as best he could and turn him over into the slam. Both men worked together for the legendary spot. And for the money Andre was probably getting at that late stage of his career, there's no way he was going to snub hogan and WWE.
I remembered Jake the snake saying something to the same effect in Joe (rogan's) podcast and in a WWF house show (since at that time Andre and Jake where riding buddies) Andre told Jake to slam him in said house show.
Yeah if you watch a bodyslam especially of a big guy the one being slammed puts his left arm around the back of the others neck and right hand on the others leg pushing themselves up with their arms to make slamming them easier.
@@bloodangel13 And that's Jake being allowed to slam Andre, and Andre didn't even like Jake!
But Andre did respect, perhaps even like, Hogan as the 'leader' by all accounts.
@@JeremiahEcks777 I highly doubt Andre respects Hogan 'cause when they where touring Japan (Andre being the veteran between them) was throwing empty beer cans at Hogan while in a bus to the next venue.
And yet another Hogan lie is when he says he got "that big nasty giant up over his head." Even with Andre going up for the slam Hogan barely had him up about chest high. If he'd have been able to slam Andre from over his head, Andre would never have walked again.
Andre actually went in for business himself against Hogan at WM3, we just don’t know that because Hulk flew around the world counter clockwise and reversed time, hence why it happened the way it did… it’s all in Hogans biography
Brutus Beefcake verified this, so it must be true.
@@ArcherSuh4721 Oh yeah brother, don't doubt the Booty Man!
Is that before or after the chapter where he tells Benjamin Franklin to go fly a kite with a key on the string so he can discover electricity?
@@ArcherSuh4721 Brutus is literally hulks best friend😂😂
@@solkey1781 i don’t think they’re friends anymore
A recent lie from the A&E rivals show on Bret vs Shawn
Pritchard: Bret didn’t want to drop the belt to Shawn and that’s not Bret’s choice.
In reality, Bret had a final 30 day creative control clause in his contract.
Overall it’s hating on Bret for doing the same thing they let Hogan do to him.
Was just watching an A&E special on Stone Cold and they made it seem as if the Austin 3:16 promo put him into the next level. At that time, Austin was truly gaining traction after that but it took him almost two years after that to get the belt and you're right, it wasn't until Bret came in and legitimized him that is when he really got over.
THANK YOU! Idiots who clearly weren't alive when it happened or weren't watching also try to claim this all the time.
It definitely helped him, but it wasn't the rocket to his back that people make it out to be.
@@retrokoh I was born 8 months after Brock almost killed himself in that match with Kurt Angle and even I realise that the aftermath of Wrestlemania 13 kinda got Stone Cold iver as he showed legitimate toughness.
@@hypefinn indeed. THAT match made him
Bull crap. Until that night.... people didn't care about him. That's the lie...I went to the shows. His matches were bathroom breaks.... the night after the promo people had Austin signs all over the place but very few if any before
When I was 10, I both saw and felt, Survivor Series ‘96 live at MSG.
This was the first match between Bret and Austin, months before the double turn.
On paper, Austin was the clear heel. He’d been steadily gaining steam with the more hardcore fans since the King of the Ring promo, but that night as a kid (one who almost exclusively rooted for the heels), the reaction Austin got, told me “oh wow. I had no clue there were this many heel fans”.
If I’d been older, I’d would have realized that what I was actually witnessing, was the crowd continuing to turn him organically. You could feel it in the air. He was gonna be a super star babyface. But it wasn’t until a year+ later that “the trigger” was fully pulled
I listen to a bunch of the Conradverse Podcasts but the fact anyone takes a word that Bischoff or Bruce says seriously never fails to amaze me. Two of the most carny grifters in a business filled with them
Also Cornette for that matter
@@namemcnamerton4249 He at least can be funny at times in his fits of rage.
@@fernweh123 bischoff making Conrad stroke out over Sting vs hogan is perhaps the greatest entertainment I've had from anything in wrestling.
"Brett and Austin wasn't a double turn!"
Thinks back to an old Adam Blampied list where he mentions how it's such a great double turn...
Exactly
It wasn't a single turn for me. I did respect Austin more afterwards but I still hated him for screwing Bret on multiple occasions and I wanted to move to Canada afterwards 🤣
Eh, classifying it as a double turn is a simplification for ease of discussion I guess. You can split hairs about Austin becoming more popular and Bret starting to "bitch and moan" as he put it, but the feud as a whole was still a double turn, with the WM13 match being the climax of it.
This whole list is revisionist history written by very very very very bitter people
Umm..Shawn didn't wake up one day and decide to kick Marty through a window. Savage didn't waffle Hogan with a belt because of low blood sugar. There were many smaller events that lead up to a specific action that solidifies the turn. The storytelling moments aren't the turn. I shouldn't have to tell you this Luke. Awesome video though. Stay awesome.
WCW would've lasted longer if AOL/Time Warner actually backed the product. Maybe there wouldn't have been a "Monday Night War" anymore, but the promotion probably would've still been going in some way, much like how TNA/Impact Wrestling still exists.
It wouldn't. What luke forgot to mention is WCW lost 60 million dollars in one year and would have eventually folded on its own
Jamie Kellner was not taking the risk of having wcw on tnt and tbs and losing more $$$
WCW didn't fail, it was just stupidly sold off for no good reason. Nitro was getting 2.0+ ratings in 2001. Today (2022) RAW and Dynamite are lucky if they get over a 0.5 rating. The idea that WCW failed is a completely fabricated myth.
Jim Cornette has said Montreal happened because Vince didn't trust Eric Bischoff's promise to keep quiet about Bret signing to WCW. That's believable but somehow it turned into Bret would literally show up on Nitro with the belt.
Yeah that's just nonsense cause Bret was always going to be out the door after survivor series anyway. He probably just would've showed up on Raw the next night to give up the title and bischoff still probably would've announced Bret on the same nitro, cause he's bischoff
Just as a side, cornette was the one who recommended the screwjob to Vince so take what he says with a major grain of salt
@@chuckaveli87 He wasn't. He was booked for matches after that and planned to fill out his contract. The only reason he left suddenly was because of the screwjob.
The real Invasion should have been wrestlers vs. pandas for the rights of WWF
two other lies #1. The original version of DX was "legendary" no it wasn't. The HBK version did start to plant seeds and even thought they were heels they were over with The Teen fans and the audience was turning, when the HHH/DX army version came out.HBK was forgotten really quickly,so when he came back to rejoin(when Chyna was still alive) it was really...... awkward cause some younger fans were like "HE was in DX?" and it showed that HHH didn't really need him nor DX.
#2. Time Warner said to Eric Bischoff and Fusient "we'll give you the wcw trademarks,the merch and even the rings..but we're not giving you the TV time" and for E.B. there was no way in hell, he was or could find a Syndication deal for WCW, in time and keep some form of momentum cause the plan was there was gonna a PPV called WCW:The Big Bang that was gonna re-start everything wcw. WCW ended because the executives at TNT were dicks ,now ironically 20 years later AEW is on TNT
So much of this is them downplaying brett. It's honestly sad. I watched every raw from start until wrestlemania 17 while I was at uni and brett was right up there with austin and rock for me
Facts. The way he shifted his character gradually from top baby-face to frustrating baby-face to whiny Bret to heel in USA only was amazing. They always act as if he would never have been able to fit into the attitude era but everyone forgets how amazing he was on the mic and, let's not forget, in the ring. His Owen tribute match with Benoit says it all
Huge “Brett” fan, huh?
@@kalebstuckey570 phones these days automatically “correct” words/names.
I’m not sure if the extra “t” added on to “Bret” is cause for suspicion of Liam’s fandom.
The entire post is him stating how he feels Bret was downplayed, followed by his account of when his fandom was at it’s biggest. Then finally he explained that he holds Bret in the same esteem, as two of the biggest, most accomplished, talented names in the history of wrestling.
That sounds like a fan in my book
Bruce Pritchard has been up there so long he has convinced himself he is living off of chocolate. It's why he is positioned where he is.
"You Bruce Prtichard stooge!" - Don Callis to Tommy Dreamer, after dreamer "fired" him from Impact.
To be fair The Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior isn't the lie, it's the revisionist stuff to try to make him look great afterwards that was the lie.
The crazy thing is the hit job video was fucc’d up but everything that was said was true. Everyone who had negative things to say about warrior still said them years later
@@jshipp5469 if I’m being honest I sympathise with WWE when it comes to the warrior.
Where can I Watch this documentary ???
I couldn't agree more. The revisionism is what makes me feel uncomfortable. I liked Warrior's work better when I knew he was a homophobic paranoid bigot but I could separate his insanity from his being work. Now WWE have us give honour to Saint Warrior and they make humanitarian rewards about him and his family. That puts me off even more than his bigotry, somehow, because it's like WWE saying 'we know he was a homophobe but he was actually a really good guy.'
@@JeremiahEcks777 This is the same company who believes they were right to screw over Bret, a guy who helped the company through it’s roughest patches, the reason the Rock was able to become the biggest star in wrestling during the Kliq’s backstage push-murdering politicking that befell to so many others and someone who did his job professionally unlike HBK. A company now ran by a Kliq member.
It’s hard to side with Vince when he’s allowed the likes of Hogan and the Kliq to walk over him as well as his history of underhanded tactics during the 1980’s boom but whines if someone does it to him. If anything with what we’ve learned over the years, I think Bret should have stood him up that night. Guy sided with HBK who would have easily done the same himself in a heartbeat when given the chance.
In the case of the Warrior, Vince buried him with that DVD and tries to act like it didn’t exist when Jim went into the HOF. Only because of that DVD did Bret decided come back to the fold when they tried to do the same to him.
Jake Roberts backed up Hogan’s claim about Andre not possibly letting Hogan go over on Jericho’s podcast. Jake was the one playing cards with Andre, and he said that Andre said “I like the idea of having the WWF Championship.” He was screwing with Hogan and Vince the whole time, but Hogan wasn’t lying about not knowing if Andre was gonna let Hogan go over.
Exactly. He’s also not technically wrong about the George Forman grill thing either
So one notorious liar is backing up another. Yeah that's reliable.
@@bluhmer1990 lol Hogan has lied a lot, but this instance isn’t one of them. Idk where you got the idea that Jake is a liar except for when he was struggling with addiction. This isn’t a story that benefits him at all. He has no reason to go along with a lie that has little to do with him. Only Hogan and Vince benefit from this wrestling tale. He isn’t very close with any of them. Hell he’s working for their competition AEW.
Andre comes from an era where if he wanted to not do business he didn’t do business. The fact that fans really don’t understand this context is amazing
@@kylekunce7867 Well, that last part is only relevant if Jake commented on it in the past few years.
But, I agree that Jake would have nothing to gain by backing up a lie, if it was. Not like he and Hogan were ever close, so it isn't backing up his buddy. Though, if anything, it's putting over Andre. Essentially saying that no-one could have made Andre do anything he didn't want to do, including Hogan.
Wwe saying Warrior was a talentless hack wasn't exactly a lie
kurt leaving wwe gave us perc angle
7:48 " *Shortly* before his death" might be the understatement of the millennium lol
I realize why I loved the Brother Love character so much. Playing a crooked televangelist came naturally to Bruce. Brother Love was some paid to continually lie on television, just like Bruce!! 😂😂
Looking forward for their documentairy on Edge and how he never wreslted in a Tag Team and only ever held singles belts
😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you, THANK YOU for calling out Prichard in this. It's not enough for the guy to be a creepy, sleazy coward who reveled in politicking; he's also completely full of sh*t in recalling it.
What's ironic is that Adam Blampied has reported #10 to be true a couple of times 🤣
Probably because he watched the documentaries
Vince had about as much regard for facts as he did his wedding vows.
If you wanna be technical about it , Shawn actually did start the Attitude Era in WWE. Saying that he wasn’t really apart of the attitude is also incorrect. He wrestled from 1997 to 1998 then retired from in ring performance however he came back as Commissioner later that year until late 1999. To say he wasn’t apart of the attitude era is kind of weird in my opinion
The 'Bret screwed Bret' line is the most misquoted line in wrestling history. Vince never said 'Bret screwed Bret'
He said 'Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart'
You're right, that changes everything.
This was a very good video. I always appreciate it when you guys post new material that you don’t talk about every week. Maybe do something like top 10 Sunday Night Heat matches at some point.
That would be an awesome video. Maybe throw in some Velocity matches as Honorable Mentions.
I had the opportunity to meet Sarge at a comic convention last year! When asked about the moving of the wrestlemania show he said that the bomb threats weren't a lie but they were made twords his family not the actual arena. Vince took the story and ran with it going so far as to put armed security with Sarge and his family for the duration of the gimmick
Never and I mean NEVER believe a word Bruce Prichard says. If he tells me the grass is green or the sky is blue I'd have to check.
DX pushed boundaries as much as Goldust did. And while I wouldn't put them at Steve Austin level of importance, they were a key component of the attitude era.
One of my favorite top 10 videos you guys have ever done and I mean it.
shawn michaels was present in the attitude era he just didn’t wrestle after 98 😂 and they were the architects of it they are the ones that put austin over as the next top guy but they ran walked before he could run.
Hulk Hogan accusing someone else not following the original plan is hilarious 😂😅
Pretty sure damn near everyone knows the reason why WWF became WWE
The DX thing is simply your opinion. Michaels may not have been present for the majority of the attitude era, but he was absolutely in the first commercials/promos that showed wrestlers faces, then showed the new “scratch logo“ and the word “attitude“... which is LITERALLY where “the attitude era” phrase comes from. And while everyone you mentioned was absolutely essential to that era, especially Stone cold and rock, DX was a MAJOR part of the entertainment and why I’ll in my friends tuned in. “Suck it” with the crotch chop made its way into football, baseball and general pop culture. In this particular example, you’re the one who’s doing revisionist history, even if you actually believe it to be true
The man that killed WCW was the same man that thought "Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain" was a good idea.
OMG I didn’t think I could like Luke anymore than I did…but a shout-out to Tango in the Night?! 💚💚💚💚💚
As Marc Anthony told the crowd at Cesar's Grave;
"I have come not to bury The Ultimate Warrior, but to Praise him..."
Wasn't it the other way around?
@@rishiravikumar5816 not according to Vince McMahon....(*rimshot*)
This was great. Ten more, please. As soon as possible!
Awesome list, Luke and well presented as always. The word indoctrinated is honestly perfect for most of these and not just the screwjob. Honestly, I am sure this topic could be made into 2 more lists but these ones are certainly the most notable.
Indoctrinated?
Assuming control!
There's a difference between the fans turning Austin & Bret and the company officially pulling the trigger. Therefore the "Double Turn" is NOT a lie. It was WWE officially pulling the trigger because they seen what the fans were doing.
Wooo I love wrestletalk, PFK, and NRB thanks for the content
Something to correct you on: Slaughter wasn't a career baby face before the 90s. In fact, the character started as a heel managed by The Grand Wizard in 1980. He didn't turn face until 1984 to feud with Iron Sheik.
Actually, Shawn and HHH, along with The Kliq, went to VKM about 10 times trying to get him to change up the company. When Vince finally decided to let the guys be more like themselves, the Attitude Era was born. That’s why they say they were behind it.
"Something to wrestle with Bruce Prichard" is only palatable because of Conrad Thompson who filters all Brucie's BS.
A shorter list might be "All five times WWE actually told the truth about literally anything". 🤷🏻♂️
To be honest, I feel like the lie about the name change in the Ruthless Aggression doc was the most unnecessary of all of these, because you can literally use the fact that they were forced into a name change and spin it as an opportunity in the making. You can use the truth to weave a narrative and it won't come across nearly as scummy, and in reality it just makes Vince look like more of a genius if they do that, because it shows an ability to come up with ideas that help the company recover from any situation. Admitting failing in hindsight like this is a good way to show one's strength at succeeding in spite of that, way more than acting like someone didn't fail is.
I can’t wait for the self-destruction of CM Punk documentary
Lie in this video- “career long babyface sgt slaughter”
check your facts!! the bret dvd was supposed to be called screwed, self destruction was warriors burial dvd
The attitude area was because of all the buzz ECW was getting and Vince saw a way to help his fledgling companie. So he decided to do what ECW was doing.
Yeah hearing everyone these days rave about the “attitude era” without mentioning ECW makes me cringe.
That #10 is funnier because Hulk literally did the famous spot a few months before that at a house show.
The Ruthless Aggression Era documentary is honestly WWE'S best documentary that was an amazing series.
Honestly, couldn't disagree more. The Best in the World Punk documentary or the Rise and Fall of ECW has my vote.
@@MattxxMatt I Have The Rise and Fall of ECW on DVD and it's an amazing DVD and Documentary and the DVD'S has a ton of Extras which is very interesting.
@@benespinosa6725 And of course, the fact that it's sales led to creating the One Night Stand PPV.
@@Cursed_Mark that's very interesting and wasn't the one night stand PPV RVD'S idea and he pitched it to Vince and he agreed?
@@benespinosa6725 It was.
People still think of wrestling when they see the Panda and 'WWF' logo. I'm not kidding. :)
As for Hogan and Andre, Hogan had slammed him a few years prior to WM3 at Shea Stadium so why would Andre let Hogan slam him then but not at WM3? Then again WWE never mentions that first part.
So where was your evidence that Hogan not knowing if Andre would cooperate is a lie? You provided none.
Watched that Evil Docu show last week. And you just see, hear and feel the lies at points...one thing they overdid (Like always) was the cheer button...sigh...
The pandas got me in an ankle lock wheres the ref I'm tapping
Career babyface Sgt. Slaughter? Now who's lying? 😆
When had Slaughter been heel before his turn in 1989 / 1990?
@@JeremiahEcks777
Most of his career before WWF, and his early appearances for the Federation. Look up his bootcamp match with Pat Patterson. He was heel.
@@mikejmw Fair enough! I didn't know. I just remember him solely as a baby face.
While I hate to defend WWE, the 78k attendance for WM3 is the PAID number. You don't really think they didn't paper that event, do you?
That Warrior DVD is a tough watch. It stops being funny after a while and just becomes depressing.
While I believe Bret Hart was willing to surrender the title on the Raw after Survivor Series, why would WWE ever allow their champion to leave without putting anyone over?
In some ways, the Montreal Screwjob was always destined to happen. Bret was never going to agree to put Shawn over and WWE were never going to allow him to leave Survivor Series as the champion.
I never understood how so many people are on Bret's side. I mean it is literally his Job to put anyone over if Vince want him to.
@@sershallo5969 then they should have stripped Bret of the title before the event, not screw him out of it during the match.
@@sershallo5969 i believe the contract he signed gave him creative freedom of the finishes of his matches, i forgot what timestamp but it was said in the cultholic docu about it
@@sershallo5969 crazy how you think the guy that got screwed is the bad guy in this situation
@@Adum Never understood how it was allowed to get so overcomplicated, but nobody came across well in the screwjob.
First, if Hogan had famously refused to lose on his way out, nobody would be on his side. Handing over the belt later or losing on a lesser show are both non-options for WWE. Sure, Bret didn't want to lose in Canada but changing the belt on the big show has more significance than doing it on a random episode of Raw.
However, WWE were not faultless either. They wrote into Bret's contract that he had creative control without thinking ahead. He was under no obligation to do anything in the company's interest, but showed a sliver of professionalism by offering to lose to anyone other than Shawn. While Bret wasn't exactly a beacon of excellence in his behaviour, he held all the cards and offered them an out which they refused to take.
Finally, the decision to lie to Bret was at best moronic and at worst malicious. There were plenty of options they could've taken. They could've taken the high ground despite Bret leaving, having Bret lose to someone he respected. Alternatively, they could've had the maturity to meet with Bret to find a compromise - stripping him of the belt if none could be reached.
Long story short, the whole thing was petty nonsense between a guy refusing to respect the business and a company refusing to honour their contract.
On 83 Weeks, Eric Bischoff has said that Sting was never going to be the third guy. Then on the WWE Evil episode on Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Bischoff said Sting was going to be the third guy. So was he or wasn't he?
Wasn't. I've never heard anything about Sting being the third guy and if he was, Nash and Hall would have really driven that home. I don't think they had a plan for a third guy until Hogan insinuated himself.
The way I understand it Bischoff always wanted Hogan to be the third guy, but Hogan originally turned it down. So Bischoff felt the only guy who would have the same sort of impact.(although not as big obviously) was Sting. Hogan later changed his mind so they went back to the original plan, however, Bischoff still worried Hogan may change his mind (as his contract allowed him to do) so he asked Sting to be back up, in case that happened. So Sting was never SUPPOSED to be the third man, but if Hogan had backed out he would have been, of course none of that happened so it's not mentioned too often.
@@joegreenhalgh6902 Schroedinger's Sting - he was and he wasn't at the same time.
Lowest Buy Rate
Vince: “Just tell ‘em it’s 50k packed in the superdome HaHa”
Corny explained the whole bret showing up in WCW. Bret wasn't going to show up. They knew that. BUT if Bret held the time after that night there was a fear bischoff would have went on live nitro saying he signed the wwf champion and that would've set an avalanche up of much worse.
Honestly, the lies they've told over the years have absolutely soured me on the product. Vince literally has zero integrity, combined with maximum arrogance. And the stooges he has surrounding him just make him even worse. Stopped watching WWE years ago, and have not missed it once. Nice to see a company like AEW actually reward and honour its performers, as well as telling the truth.
This didn't age well lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't think everything in the self-destruction of the Ultimate Warrior was a lie. one of the clips used was Triple H in 2000 (way before the documentary was in production) talking about how Ultimate Warrior was unprofessional leading up to their match at Wrestlemania 12. how he pleaded with him to not no sell the pedigree, which warrior still did anyways. Also Bobby Henen made it clear in other interviews and his book that he didn't like warrior calling him a buffon with no idea what he was doing in the ring.
Triple H keeps changing his story whenever he talks about this match so it really doesn't count
I remember hearing the WWF lie in real time, I was flabbergasted
Well, unlike NWO...DX didn't have a thousand members in their group.
The whole Owen Hart DVD being sold LEGALLY should've been a lie, because it was made by WWE producers & the Hart family members still indebted to WWE/Vince McMahon (Natalya Neidhart, Tyson Kidd, Bret Hart following his comeback to avoid the "Screwed" hit piece getting made in favor of the favorable DVD with him involved, Keith Hart, Bruce Hart, Diana Hart Smith, Ellie Hart, etc.), WITHOUT Martha Hart's consent when she has LEGAL rights over Owen's likeness & has held a grudge against WWE ever since Owen's tragic death at Over the Edge 1999 & the LEGAL aftermath that followed (with WWE even sending their questionable attorney Jerry McDevitt against Martha in a countersuit bid after the tragedy happened & years later, even sending him again after Martha, Oje, and Athena for the Darkside of the Ring season 2 finale episode).
The screwjob is always an odd story. Way Cornette explains it is that they knew Bret would not show up with the belt on Nitro. But Vince did not want Bischoff to get on Nitro and talk about his WcW guy being the champ in WWF. Really I like and trust Cornette on a lot of the older stuff and he is fun to hear rave
The one that pisses me off the most is Gerald Briscoe saying that a company the year before Wrestlemania did a show and wasn't successful. Funny he was on that show it was call Starcade. And yes Starcade was a success. That how Vince came up with the idea of Wrestlemania. The part that kills me is Vince's yes man was on the Starcade dvd putting it over. Then when the Wrestlemania dvd came out he buried it.
Actually, Vince was worried Eric Bischoff would ANNOUNCE they signed Bret, the WWF champion, the night after SS.
Luke missing RD Reynolds co-wrote the Death of WCW - next week, 10 times Parts Funknown lied in list videos....
It ain’t that serious
@@lag12k it was a joke champ
Everyone knows and should know that the Panda kicked Vince Mcmahon's ass so bad.
WWE:Lying about facts:Then,Now,Forever.
When they tell the documentary of the flipping Vince McMahon situation the lies in there will be aplenty I'm calling it now
I don't know if it was all ready mentioned but Sargent Slaughter started out as a vicious heel managed by the Grand Wizard. He was still a patriot but played up the cruel sadistic drill Sargent who tortured his opponents eventually turning face against the Iron Sheik.
This list is an important lesson. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND DON'T EXPECT THE TRUTH FROM THE BIGGEST VOICE IN WHATEVER SUBJECT YOU FIND INTERSET IN. History isn't written by the victors completely, but they do control what the mainstream public sees and what ends up in our subconscious.
Supper informative video 🔥
No The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior was not a lie. Jim Hellwig was garbage.. Just look up some of the stuff he said in his seminars or on his blogs. He was delusional and he was crazy. It's amazing with everything out there that's accessible as far as crazy stuff he said that WWE still holds him in such high regard, then again Hulk Hogan....Shame on you WrestleTalk, you know better!
Nostalgia has a way of gilding turds for some folks, unfortunately.
Another lie in documentaries, the Vince macmahon one. About him not liking yes men. Bruce Prichard is a clear example.
The fact that Vince lost to the Pandas cost him 20 years of sleepless nights
“…designed to make Ultimate Warrior look like an ignorant, talentless hack”.
I’d call this one a half-truth, at least.
I GUARANTEE YOU that, had they continued to make documentaries, The Self Destruction Of CHYNA would've definitely been made.
Not sure why Andre wouldn’t have gone along with it at Wrestlemania 3:
It wasn’t the first time anyone had picked him up for a body slam, and it wasn’t even the first time Hulk Hogan had. 😂
I have to say the picture of you sitting on the couch is so realistic
The Bret vs Austin match WAS in fact a double turn lol. Bret was showing signs of turning heel before mania but hadn’t gone all the way until the match itself. Austin was being cheered but wasn’t officially a face until that match itself.
I bet simon miller, hated HATED blampied. Ash wanted him, other women wanted him, Miller's wife wanted him.
For what it's worth, Bret told the Hogan-Andre story too in his book. (He let Andre know that Hulk wasn't sure he'd "do the honors," and Andre chuckled and said "Well let's just let him think that for a while." Briscoe & Vince mention it in the WrestleMania doc too. You can say it looks suspect, but Bret claiming it in a book he wrote while on the outs with WWE kind of confirms that one. He was scared, but Andre was always going to lay down.)
#8 - THANK YOU!!! That his contract wasn't up for 3 more weeks is never mentioned.
If I remember right WWE successfully sued WCW over the woman's title belt. WCW would not have opened up themselves to a second lawsuit that they would likely lose, again.
Im only 3 segments in and i have already concluded that WWE is not responsible for ANYTHING!!! Lol
*Could have made this list 100 times! Probably even 1000 haha*
Me and my 3 friends were WCW guys and all 4 of us jumped to WWF and are WWE fans to this day bc of DX. A matter of fact all of us liked heel DX Shawn Michaels better than anti-hero Babyface Stone Cold.
Yep, I liked DX more than Austin too. So Luke is wrong there because he's stating an opinion as 'myth busting fact'. It's not a fact. I know loads of people who were drawn because of DX.
The Attitude era worked because everybody was hot! A specific act might not be your cup of tea - tongues speaking crucifying Taker was NOT mine - but it doesn't mean it didn't draw!!!!