A few clarifications: I know we find debris from a Geth Dyson bubble in ME3, which is probably what legion is referring to. I just think the Alderson disc may have been a second try. Triodia in the Hekate system doesn't really fit my criteria, but I kept it as a possibility because it has "a Geth presence." With further reflection I do think the Relay is the the Sol relay (Charon). I didn't call it by name because I didn't want to get into a discussion of how Charon is pronounced. Apparently it's pronounced wrong on purpose to honor the wife (Charlene) of the guy who named it, so it's pronounced "Sharon." The Witch's broom will only look like that if you are looking at it from Earth, so I am convinced we are flying from Sol to the lower left side of the galaxy disc. I'm not saying I think PeeBee will be in the game, although it's possible. She's just the only one to mention the planet in question.
That was insanely interesting! I wish I had ideas of my own to bounce off, but your vid will have me doing some research in the meantime! Thanks for sharing!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting! Alderson discs are pretty interesting and I think that one will play a role in the new game. I might end up making a video on it. I also have videos analyzing the teaser image of the Mudskipper from 2020 and one for the teaser trailer that came out earlier this month on N7 day. The playlist is here if you are interested: ruclips.net/p/PL1XsOieKtE9lmJghcDzn5XWmO-hN39h_W
Only Earth had enough ships and an intact relay to warrant the amount of alliance wreckage with an intact relay. But there were other smaller battles fought to slow the reapers down. Atleast that is what I remember Hackett referencing. An additional meaning of the wreckage could mean that they acknowledge the old ME. But the old ME is symbolized as dead.
Good point! You're convincing me even more strongly that the relay is the Sol relay rather than a generic one. (The only other relay I considered was the Arcturus relay as it's in the same general neighborhood and has a station and shipyard for the Alliance 5th fleet.) As for the old ME being dead, you are likely right and I'm afraid that's something many fans aren't ready to hear. I see a lot of people expressing joy that "Shepard's back" and I'm afraid they're going to be let down. While I would love to have another adventure with Shepard and the team, I don't think it's technically possible with the sheer number of decisions we would want carried over. So I'm mentally preparing myself for a Milky Way story set long after Shepard and the squad are dead of old age (apart from Liara, and possibly those Krogan who survived ME2 and 3). Even if Shepard could be brought back, I would rather not have her/him back if Joker, Tali, Garrus and the VS are gone. It gives me bad flashbacks to the start of Alien 3. ("You thought you won, but -- surprise! -- everyone you loved died while you were asleep!") If Shepard isn't returning, I just hope the game is good enough to survive the backlash from fans who wanted a story set right after ME3.
@@211Shinobu Many great points here and I agree with most. Though I see the game being based maybe a few years to a decade after the reaper war. The entire galaxy was brought to earth to fight and that is where they remained trapped until they could return to their planets. This would have made the sol system a hub of travel basically. Effectively as the mass relays were rebuilt and every major planet in ruins. What we would be witnessing would be a post apocalypse across a galaxy. However Hackitt did order everyone to retreat through the relay before the explosion. Which could place this species hub elsewhere. After watching a few other speculation videos. I am tossing around the idea that ark 6 was carrying the necessary parts to build a mass relay. This is the only way the devs could bridge the two universes together in my opinion. In some of the released concept art we see a white mass relay being built. (or appears to be thanks to the MR7 marking "mass relay 7") I know the civilian paint theme was always white. But the initiative theme was also white. Making this a possible scenario. Lastly I rewatched the destroy ending. I only chose destroy as the true ending. Because destroy represents everything we fought for in mass effect. The right for every individual to choose their determination instead of being controlled into a hive mind like control or synthesis. Shepard must choose if everyone can retain that right. Then I watched a few videos over the indoctrination theory again (one I hope that they make cannon) where the final ending scenes were all in shepard's head as harbinger was trying to destroy him. Making the final scenes of Anderson and the Illusive man more of his good vs bad conscious. Where Anderson in red represents good and the Illusive man in blue represents bad. Red/Blue was what the whole game was based around in choices. So in the ending scenes these colors were switched to trick the player into making the choice the reapers wanted. Then there were other references by the rachni about sour notes and oily shadows from the machines. Which all the dreams and ending scenes also show us making it all the more affirmed in my mind. I like to speculate the ending we received was made full but also cut short. Where shepard waking up in London is where he gets pulled from the rubble to heal. However there are still indoctrinated forces no longer able to be "blessed" by the reapers. They would seek to destroy everyone and the final battle would be of shepard fighting cerberus when the illusive man turned into a machine like serian did. (as was shown in concept art) To picture this speculation more clearly watch a playthrough of the arrival dlc for ME2 and see what happened when those who were indoctrinated could no longer be blessed. This would be the same for the ending of ME3 with cerberus. However due to time restrictions we got the ending we received instead. (as a big illusive man fan, I always felt the writing for cerberus was very weak in ME3 and more so in the final missions) Moving on, in the final scenes of destroy we hear a grandfather speaking to his grand child about the story of the shepard. This could mean that the grandfather heard of this story from his grandfather/father or heard of the shepard early in his years of life. Making the timeline roughly 50-200 years later or ME4 will be based before this moment as the planet will not have yet be re-populated into a inhabitable world. Making this discussion between the pair based after the events of ME4 by many years. Additionally in the background of this scene we can see two planets. It is my belief that these two planets are the ones we see in the ME4 trailer. So in there lays the answer of where this will be and why I believe the game will be based only a few years after the reaper war. Because the world/earth is frozen over and not yet inhabitable. Which the grandfather and trees represent in the ME3 ending.
Interesting ideas and I'm on board with a lot of them. I've thought it would be interesting to have 4 different sequels (one for each of the endings), with Destroy being a post-apocalyptic Oregon Trail to bring the allied fleets back to their homeworlds while fixing the relays and fighting off pirates. I don't think this could happen while still honoring all of the choices everyone made throughout the Trilogy, though. Someone somewhere killed every squadmate, and it would be really hard to make a good game that allowed this as a starting point. I agree that there will likely be an intergalactic relay between the Milky Way and Andromeda, either during the upcoming game or at the end of the game leading into the next. This is the reason I think there will be jump forward in time to bring the Milky Way to the same time frame as Andromeda (the year 2820-ish). I was also disappointed with the development of Cerberus through the trilogy -- I wanted them to be a little more sneaky. For example, I thought for sure Bailey was going to be a Cerberus agent, because Udina had Bailey investigate Pallin (leading to a firefight), which is pretty suspicious behavior. However, nothing came of that. Good catch, I hadn't thought of Liara being on the planet we see at the end of ME3. Someone on the unofficial BSN brought up that it could be a planet that wasn't named in the trilogy, which is entirely possible.
@@211Shinobu definitely many possibilities and I hope they dont drop the ball like andromeda. even if they do fail I expect them to atleast fix it instead of doing nothing then never releasing cut content leaving the game on a cliff hanger.... as for cerberus, yes the writing was truly thrown away after reaching the cerberus base of the illusive man. I like to ignore it as cannon because it was so horrible. though if the indoctrination theory is followed making the ME3 ending a dream of sorts. Then just maybe our anderson and illusive man will not be dead afterall.
@@chrisriberio2047 The Andromeda initiative left the year before the Reaper war and Shepard didn't have nearly enough money to create all that stuff. I'm not sure Liara had time to do it, either, unless the old Shadow Broker had already started the project and she just wrapped it up. She did say that he was looking for an escape because he suspected something bad was coming.
@@chrisriberio2047 The silhouettes are similar to Thane and Mordin, but I don't think that's them. The Salarian has horns that are the same length and Mordin had a shorter one from an old injury.
A few clarifications:
I know we find debris from a Geth Dyson bubble in ME3, which is probably what legion is referring to. I just think the Alderson disc may have been a second try.
Triodia in the Hekate system doesn't really fit my criteria, but I kept it as a possibility because it has "a Geth presence."
With further reflection I do think the Relay is the the Sol relay (Charon). I didn't call it by name because I didn't want to get into a discussion of how Charon is pronounced. Apparently it's pronounced wrong on purpose to honor the wife (Charlene) of the guy who named it, so it's pronounced "Sharon."
The Witch's broom will only look like that if you are looking at it from Earth, so I am convinced we are flying from Sol to the lower left side of the galaxy disc.
I'm not saying I think PeeBee will be in the game, although it's possible. She's just the only one to mention the planet in question.
That was insanely interesting! I wish I had ideas of my own to bounce off, but your vid will have me doing some research in the meantime! Thanks for sharing!!!
Thanks for watching and commenting! Alderson discs are pretty interesting and I think that one will play a role in the new game. I might end up making a video on it. I also have videos analyzing the teaser image of the Mudskipper from 2020 and one for the teaser trailer that came out earlier this month on N7 day. The playlist is here if you are interested:
ruclips.net/p/PL1XsOieKtE9lmJghcDzn5XWmO-hN39h_W
Only Earth had enough ships and an intact relay to warrant the amount of alliance wreckage with an intact relay. But there were other smaller battles fought to slow the reapers down. Atleast that is what I remember Hackett referencing. An additional meaning of the wreckage could mean that they acknowledge the old ME. But the old ME is symbolized as dead.
Good point! You're convincing me even more strongly that the relay is the Sol relay rather than a generic one. (The only other relay I considered was the Arcturus relay as it's in the same general neighborhood and has a station and shipyard for the Alliance 5th fleet.) As for the old ME being dead, you are likely right and I'm afraid that's something many fans aren't ready to hear. I see a lot of people expressing joy that "Shepard's back" and I'm afraid they're going to be let down. While I would love to have another adventure with Shepard and the team, I don't think it's technically possible with the sheer number of decisions we would want carried over. So I'm mentally preparing myself for a Milky Way story set long after Shepard and the squad are dead of old age (apart from Liara, and possibly those Krogan who survived ME2 and 3). Even if Shepard could be brought back, I would rather not have her/him back if Joker, Tali, Garrus and the VS are gone. It gives me bad flashbacks to the start of Alien 3. ("You thought you won, but -- surprise! -- everyone you loved died while you were asleep!") If Shepard isn't returning, I just hope the game is good enough to survive the backlash from fans who wanted a story set right after ME3.
@@211Shinobu Many great points here and I agree with most. Though I see the game being based maybe a few years to a decade after the reaper war. The entire galaxy was brought to earth to fight and that is where they remained trapped until they could return to their planets. This would have made the sol system a hub of travel basically. Effectively as the mass relays were rebuilt and every major planet in ruins. What we would be witnessing would be a post apocalypse across a galaxy. However Hackitt did order everyone to retreat through the relay before the explosion. Which could place this species hub elsewhere.
After watching a few other speculation videos. I am tossing around the idea that ark 6 was carrying the necessary parts to build a mass relay. This is the only way the devs could bridge the two universes together in my opinion. In some of the released concept art we see a white mass relay being built. (or appears to be thanks to the MR7 marking "mass relay 7") I know the civilian paint theme was always white. But the initiative theme was also white. Making this a possible scenario.
Lastly I rewatched the destroy ending. I only chose destroy as the true ending. Because destroy represents everything we fought for in mass effect. The right for every individual to choose their determination instead of being controlled into a hive mind like control or synthesis. Shepard must choose if everyone can retain that right. Then I watched a few videos over the indoctrination theory again (one I hope that they make cannon) where the final ending scenes were all in shepard's head as harbinger was trying to destroy him. Making the final scenes of Anderson and the Illusive man more of his good vs bad conscious. Where Anderson in red represents good and the Illusive man in blue represents bad. Red/Blue was what the whole game was based around in choices. So in the ending scenes these colors were switched to trick the player into making the choice the reapers wanted. Then there were other references by the rachni about sour notes and oily shadows from the machines. Which all the dreams and ending scenes also show us making it all the more affirmed in my mind.
I like to speculate the ending we received was made full but also cut short. Where shepard waking up in London is where he gets pulled from the rubble to heal. However there are still indoctrinated forces no longer able to be "blessed" by the reapers. They would seek to destroy everyone and the final battle would be of shepard fighting cerberus when the illusive man turned into a machine like serian did. (as was shown in concept art) To picture this speculation more clearly watch a playthrough of the arrival dlc for ME2 and see what happened when those who were indoctrinated could no longer be blessed. This would be the same for the ending of ME3 with cerberus. However due to time restrictions we got the ending we received instead.
(as a big illusive man fan, I always felt the writing for cerberus was very weak in ME3 and more so in the final missions)
Moving on, in the final scenes of destroy we hear a grandfather speaking to his grand child about the story of the shepard. This could mean that the grandfather heard of this story from his grandfather/father or heard of the shepard early in his years of life. Making the timeline roughly 50-200 years later or ME4 will be based before this moment as the planet will not have yet be re-populated into a inhabitable world. Making this discussion between the pair based after the events of ME4 by many years. Additionally in the background of this scene we can see two planets. It is my belief that these two planets are the ones we see in the ME4 trailer. So in there lays the answer of where this will be and why I believe the game will be based only a few years after the reaper war. Because the world/earth is frozen over and not yet inhabitable. Which the grandfather and trees represent in the ME3 ending.
Interesting ideas and I'm on board with a lot of them. I've thought it would be interesting to have 4 different sequels (one for each of the endings), with Destroy being a post-apocalyptic Oregon Trail to bring the allied fleets back to their homeworlds while fixing the relays and fighting off pirates. I don't think this could happen while still honoring all of the choices everyone made throughout the Trilogy, though. Someone somewhere killed every squadmate, and it would be really hard to make a good game that allowed this as a starting point.
I agree that there will likely be an intergalactic relay between the Milky Way and Andromeda, either during the upcoming game or at the end of the game leading into the next. This is the reason I think there will be jump forward in time to bring the Milky Way to the same time frame as Andromeda (the year 2820-ish).
I was also disappointed with the development of Cerberus through the trilogy -- I wanted them to be a little more sneaky. For example, I thought for sure Bailey was going to be a Cerberus agent, because Udina had Bailey investigate Pallin (leading to a firefight), which is pretty suspicious behavior. However, nothing came of that.
Good catch, I hadn't thought of Liara being on the planet we see at the end of ME3. Someone on the unofficial BSN brought up that it could be a planet that wasn't named in the trilogy, which is entirely possible.
@@211Shinobu definitely many possibilities and I hope they dont drop the ball like andromeda. even if they do fail I expect them to atleast fix it instead of doing nothing then never releasing cut content leaving the game on a cliff hanger....
as for cerberus, yes the writing was truly thrown away after reaching the cerberus base of the illusive man. I like to ignore it as cannon because it was so horrible. though if the indoctrination theory is followed making the ME3 ending a dream of sorts. Then just maybe our anderson and illusive man will not be dead afterall.
Insanely interesting
Deep dive investigation, quality work
Will watch more
Thank you! I'm thinking of putting one together about the Mudskipper and her crew.
GOOD JOB
Thank you! Apart from the Alderson disc and the Witch's broom, the rest is speculation, so don't take it too seriously.
Good job
Thank you! I could be wrong, so take it with a grain of salt.
I have a theory set. What if liara time travels alternate planet
I didn't think we'd get Shepard back, but it may be happening, so some form of time travel (or cryosleep) may be going on.
@@211Shinobu What if they're saying that shepard is the benefit
@@chrisriberio2047 The Andromeda initiative left the year before the Reaper war and Shepard didn't have nearly enough money to create all that stuff. I'm not sure Liara had time to do it, either, unless the old Shadow Broker had already started the project and she just wrapped it up. She did say that he was looking for an escape because he suspected something bad was coming.
@@211Shinobu And why thank That time travels going to be involved is because of Thane in modern Solis.
@@chrisriberio2047 The silhouettes are similar to Thane and Mordin, but I don't think that's them. The Salarian has horns that are the same length and Mordin had a shorter one from an old injury.