Entertaining match. The Div. 3 guy has a reliable monster in that forehand. He can control points almost instantly. His all-around game is impressive. Tim is a legit 5.0, unlike some others who claim they’re 5.0 but upon inspection, not so much. Tim did well to make it so close in 2nd set.
Andrew is tough for a D3 player. I assume you could play D2 or D1, although at D1 he would not likely be a top seed. There is quite a ranking variant between USTA and the German system. I play with guys at this level and they would be considered maybe 4.5 here. One of the club players I know was a D1 #1 players for 4 years and he is a 5.0 maybe 5.5, and his tools are greater than Andrews. Enjoyable watch; always interesting to see lots of variations of players at different levels.
Something worth working on is developing a good reliable slice. From the points you highlighted, it looks like you only go to a slice to put up a defensive lob or to attempt a dropshot. Having a decent penetrating slice and a nice floating slice would compliment your game pretty well. You seem to have more of a counter punching style with occasional sharp forehand angles. Since you don't hit with a ton of power, having a changeup slice will add a lot more options to your baseline play. Especially on those crushing returns. Don't get me wrong, they're very cleanly struck, but most are landing near the middle of the court on your backhand side. From there you tend to either bunt back a soft sitting two hander, or pop up a lob which he would take advantage of. I'd recommend getting some practice with chipping and charging, even if you don't particularly want to be at the net or if you don't have a short ball to take advantage of. It'll give you a feel for executing a quick and clean slice at varying heights and speeds which you could translate into more defensive and aggressive options. Rather than popping up a soft topspin backhand which will sit up for your opponent, a slow floating slice is much more difficult to attack off of since they'll have to provide almost all of the pace. It'll take some getting used to because the difference between a sharp knifing slice and a slow floater can be a few degrees of racquet angle or even a mildly different swing path/speed... but I think it'll help a lot in the long run.
I commented basically the same on slice elsewhere, people tend to not think it an effective offensive shot GO BACK and check some steffi graf videos! the other thingi notice a lot is players having poor footwork as in no anticipation or movement prior to shot. damn when i was 50 I think I could outrun everyone I see on these channels. you guys get your butts in shape and let the freaking video games rest!
dude has an amazing serve mechanic! he uses his legs and torso so well to get explosive power. plus his hip rotation is perfect. kinda reminds me of a nick kyrigos type serve
the match was very close... div 3 players are no joke... i agree with almost everyone’s comments... just keep playing these guys... i played div3 too when i was young... being a shorter player is harder against guys with big weapons.. u have to be better at everything.. just to make up the difference.. but i think u can get there!
I agree with your points about return of serve. You mentioned his weapons though which was the difference in the match. He puts a lot on any forehand you give him the opportunity on and puts you on defense fast. Hard to combat that. Targeting his backhand with your serve helped loads. Good match Tim.
All sports have made monster steps up. I played D1 hockey in college. Graduated '90. Todays D1 guys all would have made the pro's in the 80's. Fairly true for all sports. Crazy stuff
This guy reminded me of the matrix, when they start moving ultrafast. The headspeed is insane! However you made good adjustments and battled head to head on second set. I love your videos, keepem coming!
Our high-school #1 played #1 for Harvard.. Harold Solomon came over after winning the "Orange Bowl" and played him; Love & 5. I realized how many levels to the game there were. Watching your match with Andrew brings it home anew.
Excellent video. Well worth watching and the technical info on your camera setup is really a nice addition. The intro and post-match breakdowns are also really worthwhile.
Andrew is so aggressive on returns, forehand/backhands, volley, serves, well played. Also good job on ur part for hanging on, definitely a good challenge for you.
I (a 4.0) botch overheads like that regularly. 'course, if your strategy is to hit me those all the time, I'll warm up and start hitting them well. Need to practice more! Nice to know that even a 5.0 occasionally botches one :)
Yikes. Was a strong 4.25 but haven't played in 6 years. Got back into it recently, 2 months now. Started at 3.75ish and way out of shape. My league started sept 21. It's Oct 16th now. Games up to a middling 4.0 now and the legs are finally coming back. Watching these guys movement, forget the hitting, just the moving is impossible to sustain. I know if I really dedicated myself, along with fitness, I could hit 4.5 within a year. However 5.0? Watching this after playing a lot over the last 7 weeks, well that 5.0 dream may be a bit pie in the sky. Interesting to watch vids like this when you are fully immerged playing. You really see things. And what I saw here.....5.0 is a monster step up. Kool stuff
Tim, you were spot on with you assessment. He also moves really well to go with the big weapons. Good playing though. He likes rhythm, maybe junk him up and make him play different kinds of shots. Most people are good side to side, you are skilled enough to make him defend all four corners and make him play up and back, and junk him up ( slice, drop shots, drives,etc). Take you chances and make him beat you with the backhand, try and stay away from the forehand. Fun to watch.
I agree with your points. I would also add, and don't take this the wrong way, but his footwork and anticipation (understanding offensive and defensive zones) was very impressive as well. All around awesome player. I'm also impressed on how you managed to turn the second set into a nail biter.
hard to even take a breath with a player as aggressive as Andrew. His foot work is impressive. Always on the move, always light and very athletic. Impressive
I like TIm because he's a very good player and makes honest line calls too. That call he made against himself on his own serve ended up costing him the game. I hate cheaters who will do anything just to win.
Andrew is a beast, when he's feeling it, he can really decimate the ball and dictate. Way to hang in there and use your athleticism especially in that 2nd set, making him an extra ball to come up with the goods or cough up an error.
Interesting that you took away a point at your own serve at 1:45, while he gave you a point at 7:01. Both those decisions show respect to each other and pride on your own capability - each of you don’t want a point you don’t deserve, while at the same time you don’t want to rob your opponent. Anyway, really impressive points- just watching it makes me want to go out and play as soon as restrictions are lifted here in Melbourne. You definitely raised your level! Even though the score in the first set seemed one sided, the games went really close. And the second set just got away from you - which shows his quality as a player. Probably one thing which may benefit you to improve is your return of serve, as you said, but continue playing high calibre players so you see which aspects you can improve. Keep pushing your game higher, Tim. All the best.
Guy in the yellow: 0:32 If you pulled your front foot (left-foot) back onto the tip-toe, which shifts your weight to the back foot (right-foot) you would add power to your serve via better hip-rotation (as you push off the back foot and lead with the front foot). Some physics of tennis.
Andrew- massive power and pace. His backhand side was overall solid. A more aggressive and powerful player. You mixed up the shots well and tired him out. So close on the second set. Dang you can scrap up some shots. You did excellent.
Terrific match - really cool to see how the top tier of rec play matches up against college level tennis. Unsolicited feedback but it's super interesting to see at court level. Power off both wings and the serve is there but the big takeaway is D3 college tennis is just that 15% more efficient (movement, recovery, stroke etc). Guess you just can't skip the hundreds of hours of repetition you get from taking on tennis competitively no matter how hard you work recreationally.
Andrew TJOA is such an athlete standing at 6'2". His UTR is 9. He was a 2-star recruit to UC Santa Cruz tennis team. Andrew was only 19 years old when you played him. Tim, you are doing so well!!!!
Andrew has a nice skill set, especially for someone coming off multiple injuries. With that said I would try these things to get into a 3rd set: 1. You control your serve, so try going to his backhand more. When he moves so far over like when you're serving in the ad court rocket it down the middle to keep him honest. 2. Approach the net more. See how he likes a target. Some people feel uncomfortable and rushed when they have a body right in front of them. 3. You wont win the ground stroke game with him, even if you always go to his backhand, especially when your hitting back court to backcourt, so I would work on hitting short topspin angles. It'll bring him out of position, he won't have time to set up, and it'll wear him down so if you do hit a 3rd set you might have more in the tank. Thank you for sharing the video Tim. I want to tip my hat as your skills are solid too. Wishing you luck on the courts!
nice hitting guys. I think both of you showed a great level. And given Andrew's level, you surprised me ! I thought you were gonna take the 2nd set, but nevermind. Great match!
I am really impressed with the evolution of your game in the last two years. I would agree with what others have said about your defense. There were a few times where you could have redirected Andrew's crazy pace (with either slice or topspin) and get more depth on your shots. That's what I do to deal with hammer heads that I play with.
Wow, Andrew has a wonderful game! Fantastic groundies, and love to see him cutting off your patented slice serve on the deuce court by taking it early and giving it a ride with his great forehand. Overhead technique is a bit ... interesting though.
Andrew can hit winners from anywhere with his forehand, Tim is blocking Andrew's serves as opposed to Andrew ripping Tim's first serve with regularity. Both very good, Tim has game, I would say to practice return of service, the block is better than nothing but is hard to win if your opponent has good ground strokes. Also, I was impressed with Tim's serve, it took Andrew a few games to get a good read on it.
Loved the video Tim! You have a wicked slice serve on the deuce court! It seemed like you went for that a lot in the first set, so Andrew was able to anticipate it. But you started serving to his backhand more in the 2nd, which was a good call. Against a guy of that caliber you need to find a way to change up the pace and keep him guessing, whether its with more slice shots or rushing the net. Keep the videos coming!
Loved the match! let me know if either of you guys ever visit Seoul, would love to set up a match between 4.5+ players here, should be very interesting ~ w love from Korea.
Yes, the rts was the biggest delta. On your side, especially because he hits mainly kickers, I'd suggest your racquet starting position was too low and resulted in being late. On this RTS, he was teeing off and the forehand was impressive. So better targeting and variety.
Andrew was absolutely phenomenal! Both of you fellas are really good. I believe Andrew came back from injuries rested and fresh. Obviously training every single day will wear your body out. It looked to me that Andrew has been resting well and you have been maybe not resting enough. Heck of a match though.
Great match play and congrats on the new 5.0 NTRP boost! I really enjoyed this vid...possibly more than any other one you've posted. I've seen you steadily improve from even a year or two ago. This guy Andrew looks like more of a solid 5.5/UTR 12 to me when he is fully rejuvenated at 100% lol. He's a definite offensive, athletic beast. You really played him tightly, especially in that 2nd set. Looking forward to more of your content 👊
8:06..that's a quick call on a very close ball! At 5-4 in the Breaker..just to play Devil's advocate to all the comments about the great sportsmanship (that happened at 40-0 in the third game;)
Solid fight! Andrew was more than a handful. You have a great slice serve- I'd use that more to the body (sliding toward the body) so Andrew is jammed and maybe even forced to step on this back foot. He's got bigger weapons, but I was interested to see what his conditioning was like (vs. yours) in a third set. Maybe you could have grinded him down... Maybe! Great video, thanks for sharing!
I’ve been following your channel for a long time, and idk how I didn’t realize that you were in the Bay Area. Those are some of my home courts, maybe I’ll see you out there some time!
great match! div 3 guy is a monster, esp with return of serves. might be worth to work on the slice. also maybe if you stepped in to return his serves and take it early..it may have prevented the early serve and volleys, but then again i cant really tell how fast those serves were going. great match overall!
Just a little advice, in my opinion, the only reason why his return looks good, is because you're allowing him to hit that well. What I mean is that you're hitting second serves with not enough kick or slice right to wheelhouse on his forehand side 1) get more first serves in (so take some pace off) and aim more for the backhand/body, especially since he's on top of the baseline returning, you'll be able to jam him 2) once he starts making adjustments and backing off the baseline, now you can open up the court and serve out wide to his forehand, but if you notice the whole match, he's standing on top of the baseline to return this will allow you to dictate more on your service games, and during the return game, you have more confidence to do what you want and put more pressure on him
Andrew was active in his shots, big serves, hard-hitting returns, and deep groundstrokes. I do think Tim was too slow to get in a good position, and his groundstrokes were harmless to his opponent.
Not bad, Tim. As a coach, I can give you two tips: 1) work on your footwork. You seem to watch a lot of shots go by you. If you don't know where you're opponent will crush your shot, take a guess, you got a 50/50 chance of guessing right. 2) learn to whip your two-handed backhand by taking the racquetbackhigherthanyour handsand then whipping it forward. You push it back sometimes, which is a defensive move. Bonus tip: take a few lessons on your backhand and learn to slice, it will help you prevent your opponent from getting in a rhythm.
For tennis, WHETHER D3 or D1, it doesn't really matter. I've seen many legit D1 players play at the D3 level for various reason. I think the palyer rating, 4.0, 5.0, is more indicative of the player's skill. Great video! Fun to watch!!
@@aaronkim6136 D1 or Division 1 schools are the bigger schools that have athletic scholarships for their athletes. D3 schools are usually small schools. They don't offer athletic scholarships for their athletes.
Enjoyed the match. Tim seems like a nice guy. I wonder if Tim is closer to a 4.5 than a 5.0 (sorry Tim if you read this but just my opinion). I played Div 2 college tennis (a 1000 years ago) and have played at many tennis and CCs since then. I have been ranked at a 4.5 and a 4.8. I think Andrew could have played on our college team. He would have slotted in somewhere in the number 2, 3 or 4 singles position. PS A #1 singles player at Div. 3 Bates College, in Maine, that we played against (not me but our #1 player), went onto become as high as #29 in the world, on the ATP tour (during the Connors, McEnroe, Lendl area). Best player I saw in my 4 years. Look forward to more vids.
This guy will run to Mars to hit a forehand LOL! Good div 3 schools and players will take serious advantage of that. Moving on, his returns are seriously good! Both guys played really well!
Man - that was fun to watch! A couple of observations: [1] It also looks like Andrew consistently targeted your backhand on his serve, where you mixed it up (probably because his RoS is absurd and you wanted to try to keep him guessing?), and [2] Especially later in the highlights, it looks like you got caught inside the baseline on a few points - so your footwork (was noticeably rushed relative to 99% of your groundstrokes. First time watching your channel - subscribed and can't wait to watch more - thanks!!
I like your channel, pretty simple. You play Tennis and comment about the game. It is like this dude going to a restaurant and review about it except you actually work hard playing Tennis. I felt Andrew is young and his strokes are penetrating. He probably has done many competitive matches than you. Great match and thanks for sharing.
Much better job of finding his backhand in the 2nd set. Agree with your self-eval. Would also add that you could use more variety on your serve when he starts to get really locked in on his returns. Throwing in some more slice serves on your first serve to throw off his timing or making sure you're getting your serve consistently deeper in the box rather than going for flat power because that dude was just using your power against you because he is good at tennis.
Andrew's backhand technique is so interesting haha. Racket tilted forward during the prep. I never really thought about it before, but its consistent with more contemporary forehand techniques so why not for the backhand too? After all, they always say that the two handed backhand is really just a left handed forehand with a bit of support from the right arm. I might think about trying that in the future, after all, I do it on my forehand side, so why wouldn't I do it on my backhand side?
Hello Tim. Not sure if you know this or not perhaps you do. But you’re not allowed by Rule to call out your own first serve. It negates your opponents right to play a ball as he sees it. You are however allowed to call out your second serve if you choose to do so as that it ends the point. Of course you can also call out your own shot if you choose to do so that ends a point after the survey is returned. But again you’re not allowed by rule to call out your own first serve.
As most people said I reckon you played it pretty well. Not anything where I'm like ew look at his backhand forehand etc. Your whole game is pretty well rounded. Just sharpen your weapons and look to improve on your already solid foundation.
Great match. Excellent tiebreak at the end very close. You might try kicking your serve a little more so it’s higher and not in his strike zone. He’s taking it in his strike zone and using all of your pace to rocket it back. In the rallies you could try to execute patterns of play a little earlier in the rallies. Easier said than done against a big hitter like that.
The fact that you almost won the second set against a ¨superior¨ opponent (in my opinion) say a lot about your consistency and good job on the court. Congratulations.
Good game, both players play nice. Some good rallys here. The class difference is obvious though, Tim may well be 5.0, but the guy in yellow, I would rank as 6.0, which I guess makes sense if he plays college tournaments.
I think the biggest thing you can change/improve, get out of your serve motion quicker. Those returns to your feet were really doing a number on you. I struggle with great returners like that because I’m not split stepping on the returners contract but after.
Yeah great, been working on split stepping faster and lower coming out of the serve. It's sometimes tough to remember on every serve especially when you get fatigued
1:43 nice to see honesty still alive.
At first I thought the dialogues were switched lol then I realized from the mic strength
Really good sportsmanship tbh, wish more players were like that these days
@Senuka Abeysinghe well, caring about the result of the point kinda negates the intention yeah
@Senuka Abeysinghe yea was way wide though, still early, i wouldnt want that point
Andrew's return of serve. Wow!
agreed, that's what I noticed on multiple points, blitz returns!
With a guy like that you have to serve to his backhand. Tim couldn't serve to the backhand consistently enough (easier said than done, I know).
He seems like the Djokovic of the public courts.
Entertaining match. The Div. 3 guy has a reliable monster in that forehand. He can control points almost instantly. His all-around game is impressive. Tim is a legit 5.0, unlike some others who claim they’re 5.0 but upon inspection, not so much. Tim did well to make it so close in 2nd set.
Andrew is tough for a D3 player. I assume you could play D2 or D1, although at D1 he would not likely be a top seed. There is quite a ranking variant between USTA and the German system. I play with guys at this level and they would be considered maybe 4.5 here. One of the club players I know was a D1 #1 players for 4 years and he is a 5.0 maybe 5.5, and his tools are greater than Andrews. Enjoyable watch; always interesting to see lots of variations of players at different levels.
@@timothygoss3987 That kind of assessment through a vid is problematic. Maybe, but probably not
I’d say Tim is more of a 4.5 at best, he has a lot of flaws in his serve, forehand and backhand form.
@@derrickchung5988 technique doesnt matter, as long as he wins matches. You can be a slicing pusher with no real forehand or backhand and be a 4.0
@@derrickchung5988 Id say hes more 4.0 he has no court coverage.
Personally I’d just run home and cry instead of even trying to return Andrew’s forehand, well played
LOOL
SAME😂😭
Something worth working on is developing a good reliable slice. From the points you highlighted, it looks like you only go to a slice to put up a defensive lob or to attempt a dropshot. Having a decent penetrating slice and a nice floating slice would compliment your game pretty well. You seem to have more of a counter punching style with occasional sharp forehand angles. Since you don't hit with a ton of power, having a changeup slice will add a lot more options to your baseline play. Especially on those crushing returns. Don't get me wrong, they're very cleanly struck, but most are landing near the middle of the court on your backhand side. From there you tend to either bunt back a soft sitting two hander, or pop up a lob which he would take advantage of.
I'd recommend getting some practice with chipping and charging, even if you don't particularly want to be at the net or if you don't have a short ball to take advantage of. It'll give you a feel for executing a quick and clean slice at varying heights and speeds which you could translate into more defensive and aggressive options. Rather than popping up a soft topspin backhand which will sit up for your opponent, a slow floating slice is much more difficult to attack off of since they'll have to provide almost all of the pace. It'll take some getting used to because the difference between a sharp knifing slice and a slow floater can be a few degrees of racquet angle or even a mildly different swing path/speed... but I think it'll help a lot in the long run.
I commented basically the same on slice elsewhere, people tend to not think it an effective offensive shot GO BACK and check some steffi graf videos!
the other thingi notice a lot is players having poor footwork as in no anticipation or movement prior to shot. damn when i was 50 I think I could outrun everyone I see on these channels. you guys get your butts in shape and let the freaking video games rest!
This is one of the most analytical/thoughtful comment I’ve seen on youtube. So informative 👍
Manic knows tennis...
more like having a forhand.
Watch the ATP Finals, Thiem used his slice to make his opponent generate his own power and was effective.
Don't even have to watch. You can hear the level of play from the footwork,. Bravo!
Really love the content Tim. Super chill and growth focused without being too serious
Thanks! I really appreciate that
I think your post match assessment was spot on. Great playing guys!! Thank you for posting.
Andrew is teleporting around the court, so fast...geez
hahaha
dude has an amazing serve mechanic! he uses his legs and torso so well to get explosive power. plus his hip rotation is perfect. kinda reminds me of a nick kyrigos type serve
Andrew is a great player who hits with a lot of pace! I thought you played him well though
It needs even more pace though,you should be able to crush some shots once if not twice every few points
Could Andrew go pro? Is he good enough? I'm new to tennis
His forehand is so intoxicating! Love it
the match was very close... div 3 players are no joke... i agree with almost everyone’s comments... just keep playing these guys... i played div3 too when i was young... being a shorter player is harder against guys with big weapons.. u have to be better at everything.. just to make up the difference.. but i think u can get there!
is a divison 3 player usta rated?
I agree with your points about return of serve. You mentioned his weapons though which was the difference in the match. He puts a lot on any forehand you give him the opportunity on and puts you on defense fast. Hard to combat that. Targeting his backhand with your serve helped loads. Good match Tim.
Interesting post, thanks for sharing. I played D3, 20 years ago. Wow what a difference vs now.
All sports have made monster steps up. I played D1 hockey in college. Graduated '90. Todays D1 guys all would have made the pro's in the 80's. Fairly true for all sports. Crazy stuff
This guy reminded me of the matrix, when they start moving ultrafast. The headspeed is insane! However you made good adjustments and battled head to head on second set. I love your videos, keepem coming!
This was such a good match to watch! Andrew didn’t seem like he had a clear weakness. Thanks for the upload!
Our high-school #1 played #1 for Harvard.. Harold Solomon came over after winning the "Orange Bowl" and played him;
Love & 5. I realized how many levels to the game there were. Watching your match with Andrew brings it home anew.
thanks for sharing. very talented, both and humble!
Excellent video. Well worth watching and the technical info on your camera setup is really a nice addition. The intro and post-match breakdowns are also really worthwhile.
Good match. I like how relaxed you are and you have good economy of movement. You can tell you really like that backhand down the line....nice weapon
Andrew is so aggressive on returns, forehand/backhands, volley, serves, well played. Also good job on ur part for hanging on, definitely a good challenge for you.
Your overhead at 1:23 looks like my first serve 70% of the time😂. Great match, fun and competitive! 👍🏿
I (a 4.0) botch overheads like that regularly. 'course, if your strategy is to hit me those all the time, I'll warm up and start hitting them well. Need to practice more! Nice to know that even a 5.0 occasionally botches one :)
Yikes.
Was a strong 4.25 but haven't played in 6 years. Got back into it recently, 2 months now. Started at 3.75ish and way out of shape. My league started sept 21. It's Oct 16th now. Games up to a middling 4.0 now and the legs are finally coming back. Watching these guys movement, forget the hitting, just the moving is impossible to sustain.
I know if I really dedicated myself, along with fitness, I could hit 4.5 within a year. However 5.0? Watching this after playing a lot over the last 7 weeks, well that 5.0 dream may be a bit pie in the sky.
Interesting to watch vids like this when you are fully immerged playing. You really see things. And what I saw here.....5.0 is a monster step up.
Kool stuff
Good job in getting back into tennis and pursuing your goals! Cheers! Don
hell yea!
Tim, you were spot on with you assessment. He also moves really well to go with the big weapons. Good playing though. He likes rhythm, maybe junk him up and make him play different kinds of shots. Most people are good side to side, you are skilled enough to make him defend all four corners and make him play up and back, and junk him up ( slice, drop shots, drives,etc). Take you chances and make him beat you with the backhand, try and stay away from the forehand. Fun to watch.
You played great! Awesome match and great challenge.
I agree with your points. I would also add, and don't take this the wrong way, but his footwork and anticipation (understanding offensive and defensive zones) was very impressive as well. All around awesome player. I'm also impressed on how you managed to turn the second set into a nail biter.
Thx for sharing! You put up a great fight against an absolute baller - Andrew is a beast!
Really like all of your videos, Tim. Great tennis, great angle view, great video quality, great sportmanship from you as well
That was fun to watch. If you are ever in Jacksonville, FL let's play!
Great match, Tim. Despite Andrew was technicaly and physically superior, it was a tight score, thanks to your consistency, I believe.
That was a a more entertaining game than the French Open final this year. Well played both of you.
Hahaha thank you. Yeah it was a beatdown by Rafa except late in that 3rd set. Was happy to see him get his 13th RG and 20th overall
this is more enjoyable than watching pros. so good, surprisingly good quality,
if I train hard, in my next life I may play like this -)
Enjoyed that! great editing. Thank for sharing.
hard to even take a breath with a player as aggressive as Andrew. His foot work is impressive. Always on the move, always light and very athletic. Impressive
Thank you for the video. This is my favorite camera angle !
I like TIm because he's a very good player and makes honest line calls too. That call he made against himself on his own serve ended up costing him the game. I hate cheaters who will do anything just to win.
Thanks! Being an honest person and showing good sportsmanship is bigger than winning a point and tennis at the end of the day
if you mean that serve from the AD court down the T, it was definitely wide. Those ones are easier for the server to see than the returner.
Andrew is a beast, when he's feeling it, he can really decimate the ball and dictate. Way to hang in there and use your athleticism especially in that 2nd set, making him an extra ball to come up with the goods or cough up an error.
GREAT match my dudes! Also great sportsmanship. A+
High quality match. Both of you guys are excellent players!
If this is 5.0, then I am a 0.5. INSANE PACE!!! Good match!!
Interesting that you took away a point at your own serve at 1:45, while he gave you a point at 7:01. Both those decisions show respect to each other and pride on your own capability - each of you don’t want a point you don’t deserve, while at the same time you don’t want to rob your opponent.
Anyway, really impressive points- just watching it makes me want to go out and play as soon as restrictions are lifted here in Melbourne. You definitely raised your level! Even though the score in the first set seemed one sided, the games went really close. And the second set just got away from you - which shows his quality as a player. Probably one thing which may benefit you to improve is your return of serve, as you said, but continue playing high calibre players so you see which aspects you can improve. Keep pushing your game higher, Tim. All the best.
Guy in the yellow: 0:32 If you pulled your front foot (left-foot) back onto the tip-toe, which shifts your weight to the back foot (right-foot) you would add power to your serve via better hip-rotation (as you push off the back foot and lead with the front foot). Some physics of tennis.
Yellow shirt gets the ball through the court quickly. Great service return, a few he waits and simply tees off. Great highlights!
Andrew- massive power and pace. His backhand side was overall solid. A more aggressive and powerful player. You mixed up the shots well and tired him out. So close on the second set. Dang you can scrap up some shots. You did excellent.
Solid play guys, great pace, control and consistency, actual 5.0 play.
Dang Tim, favorite video from your channel so far. Respect for you keeps growing
Terrific match - really cool to see how the top tier of rec play matches up against college level tennis. Unsolicited feedback but it's super interesting to see at court level. Power off both wings and the serve is there but the big takeaway is D3 college tennis is just that 15% more efficient (movement, recovery, stroke etc).
Guess you just can't skip the hundreds of hours of repetition you get from taking on tennis competitively no matter how hard you work recreationally.
great video! had fun watching it.
Andrew TJOA is such an athlete standing at 6'2". His UTR is 9. He was a 2-star recruit to UC Santa Cruz tennis team. Andrew was only 19 years old when you played him. Tim, you are doing so well!!!!
Andrew has a nice skill set, especially for someone coming off multiple injuries. With that said I would try these things to get into a 3rd set:
1. You control your serve, so try going to his backhand more. When he moves so far over like when you're serving in the ad court rocket it down the middle to keep him honest.
2. Approach the net more. See how he likes a target. Some people feel uncomfortable and rushed when they have a body right in front of them.
3. You wont win the ground stroke game with him, even if you always go to his backhand, especially when your hitting back court to backcourt, so I would work on hitting short topspin angles. It'll bring him out of position, he won't have time to set up, and it'll wear him down so if you do hit a 3rd set you might have more in the tank.
Thank you for sharing the video Tim. I want to tip my hat as your skills are solid too. Wishing you luck on the courts!
nice hitting guys. I think both of you showed a great level. And given Andrew's level, you surprised me ! I thought you were gonna take the 2nd set, but nevermind. Great match!
I am really impressed with the evolution of your game in the last two years. I would agree with what others have said about your defense. There were a few times where you could have redirected Andrew's crazy pace (with either slice or topspin) and get more depth on your shots. That's what I do to deal with hammer heads that I play with.
Wow, Andrew has a wonderful game! Fantastic groundies, and love to see him cutting off your patented slice serve on the deuce court by taking it early and giving it a ride with his great forehand. Overhead technique is a bit ... interesting though.
I played this dude when I was 15, his kick serve went over the fence and I almost cried after that. True story
His kick serve has only gotten better since too
@@tennistim you played great my guy, nullified his serve pretty well
so close and hard to finish, his serve return and forehand are so tough, you did a good match with winners and solid game
This dude doesnt get even an small improvement since my last 2 years watching this channel.
Dang, you got worked! This man was toying with you 😂 jk that was very entertaining to watch. High level play from both of you
Would gladly take a 6-0 beat down from Andrew for the sheer experience. 😂
Same hahahaha
Losing 6-0 is not gaining experience...its a beat down...it just tells u u need another 5,000 hrs of tennis training! 😂
@@minisurfbanana Got my 5000 hours in and ready to win 7-6....😆
@@sportscastercanada id like to see it
Andrew can hit winners from anywhere with his forehand, Tim is blocking Andrew's serves as opposed to Andrew ripping Tim's first serve with regularity. Both very good, Tim has game, I would say to practice return of service, the block is better than nothing but is hard to win if your opponent has good ground strokes. Also, I was impressed with Tim's serve, it took Andrew a few games to get a good read on it.
Loved the video Tim! You have a wicked slice serve on the deuce court! It seemed like you went for that a lot in the first set, so Andrew was able to anticipate it. But you started serving to his backhand more in the 2nd, which was a good call. Against a guy of that caliber you need to find a way to change up the pace and keep him guessing, whether its with more slice shots or rushing the net. Keep the videos coming!
His return of serve was killer. Good job though.. very entertaining match.
Loved the match! let me know if either of you guys ever visit Seoul, would love to set up a match between 4.5+ players here, should be very interesting ~ w love from Korea.
That would be super fun! Korea is definitely on my to-visit list. Really appreciate international followers
Yes, the rts was the biggest delta. On your side, especially because he hits mainly kickers, I'd suggest your racquet starting position was too low and resulted in being late. On this RTS, he was teeing off and the forehand was impressive. So better targeting and variety.
This looks just like Rinconada Park in PA!
Awesome playing, btw!
Andrew was absolutely phenomenal! Both of you fellas are really good. I believe Andrew came back from injuries rested and fresh. Obviously training every single day will wear your body out. It looked to me that Andrew has been resting well and you have been maybe not resting enough. Heck of a match though.
Great match play and congrats on the new 5.0 NTRP boost! I really enjoyed this vid...possibly more than any other one you've posted. I've seen you steadily improve from even a year or two ago. This guy Andrew looks like more of a solid 5.5/UTR 12 to me when he is fully rejuvenated at 100% lol. He's a definite offensive, athletic beast.
You really played him tightly, especially in that 2nd set. Looking forward to more of your content 👊
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed the content and appreciate you following the journey
You guys are crazy, andrew is more 4.5+ and Tim is 4.0-4.0+
8:06..that's a quick call on a very close ball! At 5-4 in the Breaker..just to play Devil's advocate to all the comments about the great sportsmanship (that happened at 40-0 in the third game;)
Solid fight! Andrew was more than a handful. You have a great slice serve- I'd use that more to the body (sliding toward the body) so Andrew is jammed and maybe even forced to step on this back foot. He's got bigger weapons, but I was interested to see what his conditioning was like (vs. yours) in a third set. Maybe you could have grinded him down... Maybe! Great video, thanks for sharing!
Andrew is rocket man, firing them off on second serve returns. His aggressive plays probably shot him back up in the 2nd set. Great match overall.
I’ve been following your channel for a long time, and idk how I didn’t realize that you were in the Bay Area. Those are some of my home courts, maybe I’ll see you out there some time!
great match! div 3 guy is a monster, esp with return of serves. might be worth to work on the slice. also maybe if you stepped in to return his serves and take it early..it may have prevented the early serve and volleys, but then again i cant really tell how fast those serves were going. great match overall!
Just a little advice, in my opinion, the only reason why his return looks good, is because you're allowing him to hit that well. What I mean is that you're hitting second serves with not enough kick or slice right to wheelhouse on his forehand side
1) get more first serves in (so take some pace off) and aim more for the backhand/body, especially since he's on top of the baseline returning, you'll be able to jam him
2) once he starts making adjustments and backing off the baseline, now you can open up the court and serve out wide to his forehand, but if you notice the whole match, he's standing on top of the baseline to return
this will allow you to dictate more on your service games, and during the return game, you have more confidence to do what you want and put more pressure on him
Andrew looking at his racquet at 6:00 - so funny. He's an incredible player though, solid serve returns
Thank you for sharing 😊
You should play on ucsc campus. It's breathtaking!
Great video man!
Jeebus, that forehand return is brutal.
Andrew was active in his shots, big serves, hard-hitting returns, and deep groundstrokes. I do think Tim was too slow to get in a good position, and his groundstrokes were harmless to his opponent.
cant agree more, both are great but tim was slow to get into position
Not bad, Tim. As a coach, I can give you two tips: 1) work on your footwork. You seem to watch a lot of shots go by you. If you don't know where you're opponent will crush your shot, take a guess, you got a 50/50 chance of guessing right. 2) learn to whip your two-handed backhand by taking the racquetbackhigherthanyour handsand then whipping it forward. You push it back sometimes, which is a defensive move. Bonus tip: take a few lessons on your backhand and learn to slice, it will help you prevent your opponent from getting in a rhythm.
For tennis, WHETHER D3 or D1, it doesn't really matter. I've seen many legit D1 players play at the D3 level for various reason. I think the palyer rating, 4.0, 5.0, is more indicative of the player's skill. Great video! Fun to watch!!
Is a d1 higher, or a d3.
@@aaronkim6136 D1 or Division 1 schools are the bigger schools that have athletic scholarships for their athletes. D3 schools are usually small schools. They don't offer athletic scholarships for their athletes.
Enjoyed the match. Tim seems like a nice guy. I wonder if Tim is closer to a 4.5 than a 5.0 (sorry Tim if you read this but just my opinion). I played Div 2 college tennis (a 1000 years ago) and have played at many tennis and CCs since then. I have been ranked at a 4.5 and a 4.8. I think Andrew could have played on our college team. He would have slotted in somewhere in the number 2, 3 or 4 singles position. PS A #1 singles player at Div. 3 Bates College, in Maine, that we played against (not me but our #1 player), went onto become as high as #29 in the world, on the ATP tour (during the Connors, McEnroe, Lendl area). Best player I saw in my 4 years. Look forward to more vids.
Wow very impressed with your performance👍
What is Andrew’s racquet? PA or maybe PAvs version..?
He uses a regular Pure Aero with some added weight. Close to 12.5 oz
This guy will run to Mars to hit a forehand LOL! Good div 3 schools and players will take serious advantage of that. Moving on, his returns are seriously good! Both guys played really well!
Hahaha facts he gets so much on that forehand it's hard to make him pay even with so much court open
His backhand would hardly be considered weak, though. It's just that his forehand is amazingly good.
@@bruceg22000 Did not say it was weak, said good players would take advantage of how open he leaves the court while running around it.
Man - that was fun to watch! A couple of observations: [1] It also looks like Andrew consistently targeted your backhand on his serve, where you mixed it up (probably because his RoS is absurd and you wanted to try to keep him guessing?), and [2] Especially later in the highlights, it looks like you got caught inside the baseline on a few points - so your footwork (was noticeably rushed relative to 99% of your groundstrokes. First time watching your channel - subscribed and can't wait to watch more - thanks!!
I like your channel, pretty simple. You play Tennis and comment about the game. It is like this dude going to a restaurant and review about it except you actually work hard playing Tennis. I felt Andrew is young and his strokes are penetrating. He probably has done many competitive matches than you. Great match and thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Much better job of finding his backhand in the 2nd set. Agree with your self-eval. Would also add that you could use more variety on your serve when he starts to get really locked in on his returns. Throwing in some more slice serves on your first serve to throw off his timing or making sure you're getting your serve consistently deeper in the box rather than going for flat power because that dude was just using your power against you because he is good at tennis.
Andrew's backhand technique is so interesting haha. Racket tilted forward during the prep. I never really thought about it before, but its consistent with more contemporary forehand techniques so why not for the backhand too? After all, they always say that the two handed backhand is really just a left handed forehand with a bit of support from the right arm. I might think about trying that in the future, after all, I do it on my forehand side, so why wouldn't I do it on my backhand side?
where to see more videos of Andrew playing? love his style
Hello Tim. Not sure if you know this or not perhaps you do. But you’re not allowed by Rule to call out your own first serve. It negates your opponents right to play a ball as he sees it. You are however allowed to call out your second serve if you choose to do so as that it ends the point. Of course you can also call out your own shot if you choose to do so that ends a point after the survey is returned. But again you’re not allowed by rule to call out your own first serve.
As most people said I reckon you played it pretty well. Not anything where I'm like ew look at his backhand forehand etc. Your whole game is pretty well rounded. Just sharpen your weapons and look to improve on your already solid foundation.
Great match. Excellent tiebreak at the end very close.
You might try kicking your serve a little more so it’s higher and not in his strike zone. He’s taking it in his strike zone and using all of your pace to rocket it back. In the rallies you could try to execute patterns of play a little earlier in the rallies. Easier said than done against a big hitter like that.
These points are so intense!
The fact that you almost won the second set against a ¨superior¨ opponent (in my opinion) say a lot about your consistency and good job on the court. Congratulations.
Good game, both players play nice. Some good rallys here. The class difference is obvious though, Tim may well be 5.0, but the guy in yellow, I would rank as 6.0, which I guess makes sense if he plays college tournaments.
It was an amazing match. I like it!
I think the biggest thing you can change/improve, get out of your serve motion quicker. Those returns to your feet were really doing a number on you. I struggle with great returners like that because I’m not split stepping on the returners contract but after.
Yeah great, been working on split stepping faster and lower coming out of the serve. It's sometimes tough to remember on every serve especially when you get fatigued
nice camera/video quality on the match!