You can't guess how much respect i have for you, for posting this video, for how much wisdom you have. You just told, what most people are scared to state.
100%, especially the end. In a world where the rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer, if you’re not rich enough to cover yourself multiple times over it doesn’t make sense to keep around nice cars like an M240i / M2 relative to their sportiness, an MX-5 would cover all the driving enjoyment possible while being mechanically simple and cheap enough to maintain for a lifetime
@@MickDrivesCars waste of insurance etc money, noisyness bumpyness is only a problem if its tiring you out, in which case you probably should use shoulder speakers with partial noise cancelation on, and have seat cushion if it does bother you. its illegal to cover ears for saftey reasons in some areas, so if you cant find shoulder speakers which cancel harsh noise, earbuds that do so arnt a option see video called "my racing sim feels liek real life now" by optimum. grip limit , steering range of motion, lap type, sound etc all can be personalized... so real life motor sport isn't simply enjoying the mandatory commute driving funs is escaping perceived danger and driving style for lower emissions(like endurance racing, avoiding need to pitstop for tires, fuel) to whatever extent you wish. driving rules for sustainability and emissions means: exponential accelerator pedal compression pace from around 5 miler per hour , optimal energy level , engine RPM . put down more power than that before uphills and on downhills brake and steer minimally and steadily. about emissions: games fail to give that wanted sense of accomplishment if they arnt challenging enough. you might argue "muh study, da uder study, buh buh who fund study, da money printers" etc, but its a good general rule to not mess with natural order. so whatever is lightweight and efficient, Electric car or not, probably good enough. that is how some people truely do care about emissions and arnt only trying to pretend like their somehow better than some other or hopeing theyll get some cheap little admiration, like a nerd or a bimbo or something. misha choudrins video of power non modified, modified only suspension brakes wheels, someone in comments section said its faster around turns than some speciic supercars, misha said a porsche gt3 level thing doesnt feel faster than a toyota gr 86 non modified by power, only handling mods. saftey is not a issue if you can move quick and health is good with good mental muscle control practice as you should be doing anyway for memorizing movement control against forgetting when you get alzheimer's, and to wake your body up more. moving weights without moving them by gym machines which demand movement fo particular direction etc makes those stabilizing muscles work more. helps bone strength and testosterone for motivation and feeling more in non kid friendly adult activit, you know what i mean. silicone bags against microplastic concerns, uber eats boxes, etc for carrying stuff. parking can be made easier if its hard to find parking not too far from where your going for life in general: it seems people FEEL what cant simply be simulated and is most important in life is: family(improving genetic quality of society, etc) then fucking(sekz) because "phermones" at least in healthy opposite gender, no birth control pill, slowly transitioned into natural fat/meat no carb diet, etc. after those 2 is , finding, food, then fragrances., by "finding, i mean regularly dedicating some tome to existential exploration. its in this order of importance because genes that spread tend to rather help spreading than not. less important parts are less satisfying without the more important ones, sorta of like giving a starving dying person vegetables instead of eggs n meat, expecting itll feel just as good vs having that junk food after hes healthy. be against anti appreciation desentization as happens from overdose.
Not driving your car to save the miles for the next owner is like not sleeping with your wife or girlfriend because you're saving her for the next guy. Enjoy your car and drive it. You didn't buy it for an investment.
this is the issue with financing a car above your possibilities/needs. You realize that if something happens and you need to sell it or wtv you'll be short and end up paying to get rid of it. Having money to run and maintain a car is more important that having the money to own it
@@cd.knuckles I'm going to be honest if you are really worried about everything going wrong. Then you should not get it. Even brand new. Because I see this all over everyday vehicles but brand new or newer. Because they're trying to impress or listen to certain others, or do it because someone else is doing it. It's like a cycle of following the crowd instead of self.
thats generally my thought on buying something expensive, if you buy something expensive and cant enjoy it getting used because its getting worn down over time, what joy do you have out of it.
@@THESLlCK If you've got really big balls, by a Superkart and go faster around any circuit than all but the most extreme supercars - the lap record is 1:35.42 whilst the fastest GT3 racer is 1:33.8 - which is bonkers. And it'll cost you no more than £20k to get started. Honestly, getting fast on a racing circuit is the best thing you can do to get it all out of your system. You start to realise just how dangerous a car - even a relatively slow one - can be, because you see the energy going out of them when they have an accident even when they hit the barrier at just 60mph. Now you might think I'm a sad, boring office fella but in the garage is a Lotus Elise S1 prepped for the circuit, a racing kart (for my son, mostly), I used to ride motorbikes, and I honestly have more fun on the road using our Honda e or even in our Volvo V70 D5. Neither of those are particular fast, but for public road use they're fast enough. Now grow up a little and stop trying to be all macho - it makes you look insecure. And slow.
After spending too much money on cars in a lifetime it’s best to think of cars like footwear…….you actually need lots of different types of shoes for different functions, but they all get sweaty, pissed on and scuffed up (even your dress shoes). Most people only have enough money for one or two cars, so best have a pair of old comfortable and capable boots, and maybe a set of running spikes, or open toes sandals (I hope you get the analogy). What ever you have, just don’t pay too much or obsess about its perfect material condition, as this will detract away from the pleasure of use and ownership.
Dream cars are better in a poster…worked for 15 years to get to buy my dream car. The day I bought it I felt nothing. It was a convertible sports car that meant to feed into my dream of spirited drives in the countryside with open top listening to sounds of the engine. Never used the open top in 3 years of my ownership. One day I noticed on the cars mileage calculator that my average speed in whole year and over 7000 miles was less than 30mph. Next day I sold the sports car.
Personally I've found after 33 yrs of existence that the best thing we can do for ourselves is to take proper stock of where one's life is at, where you want to go, and your plan of getting there. Purchases like these can't be on a whimp or you'll ruin yourself. We all have a poison that we need to feed in terms of unreasonable things we spend money on. For some it's expensive watches, for some it's designer clothes, for some it's luxury travel, for some it's sports cars. If you bust your ass working hard, I believe you're entitled to enjoy yourself, otherwise what's the point of it all. Just have a plan and make sure your future self is taken care of
38 y.o. here, totally agree. I quit smoking a while ago and bought myself a fun car with the money I would have been wasting on cigarettes. The only difference is I'll have a fun car at the end of 2 years instead of lung cancer. Everything's carefully budgeted and I have no regrets.
I get what your saying and it's a great mindset for only being 33. It will change when your 43 but your on a good path. Find something productive to focus on as when your 43 mental heath becomes an issue if your not in a good position.
This honesty is refreshing from a car youtuber. Fancy cars are hard to enjoy unless you're really really well off! Cheap and cheerful is the way to go.
I just finished college and am looking to get an m2. It’s a small stretch for me but this is the best time to do it since I have no kids and minimal expenses.
That same thing happend to me when I first acquired my "dream car". It's not JUST depreciation, running costs, and not having enough money. If you ever experienced buying a "dream car" (i.e. something that you envisioned for years of having and thought extensively of using it), it CAN mess with your head once you have it. Because you put that car on such a high pedestal that when you actually had the opportunity to acquire it (understand that it could have been a financially well-thought-out choice), you can become afraid of ruining it. That is what it is called "fear of spoiling." That would be the same as being so afraid to ruin a relationship with the partner you always dream of, that you end up being overly jealous, instead of appreciating what you have, probably resulting in you losing your soulmate.
I took a page out of Ed Bolian's book and bought the worst example of my dream car with the money from my first "big boy" job out of school. It was a pretty rough Evo X, definitely survived a bump or two, but completely stock and low miles. At first, I kicked myself a little bit for not having been more meticulous or patient for a better car to come along, but I think my Evo was a blessing in the long run. It was never going to win any car shows. But it was reliable, fun, comfortable, and, basically, only good for being driven and enjoyed. I still have it and love it even more than on the day I took the keys.
@@TatersFPVit’s also rarely possible without having your head constantly over your shoulder and having to deal with pricks on the road trying to prove themselves at every turn
Much respect. Finally someone who spoke about this. I feel like most people have cars just for others and not for themselves.. just so others can be impressed with it.. Your car should be something YOU like and something that brings YOU joy. Stop buying cars just so you can say "oh yeah I own that car, I have that much horsepower" and so on.. Go drive your damn car and enjoy yourself.
100%! I test drove an mx5 just for a time kill and immediately just started laughing in disbelief. Never drove anything like it. Thought about it every day for 3 weeks before going back and buying it. Everyone else has 4x4 or whatever but I'm so happy and don't care what anyone thinks.
Tbh car speed and performance mattered very little to me. Almost every car I see, slow or crappy or whatever, I just imagine trying to set a fast time with it on a track 😂
That's what capitalism is. Working to hard to buy big houses and nice cars you don't need to impress people you don't like. Cars don't make happiness but I'd rather cry in a Porsche than a Prius
So true I just got a 2024 Sentra sv in red! Liked it so much despite the judgement. Convinced nsany has so much potential and as the economy realizes they are a bunch of brokies due to the system….. and the merger kicks in. Pathetic consumers will give nissians Sv line up a second look in 2025 because I got a steal deal for an amazing commuter car. Def gunna upgrade to premium when I refinance. The SR is overpaying. You only need the electric seats /moomroof. Tires look better on the sv although they are smaller . More personal opinions. Previously I only drove bmw :) and in emergencies a v6 ford explorer. Now it’s Nissan /ford . I’ll get back to bmw later on :)
Absolutely agree, I drive a Mk8 Fiesta ST so it's something fun, relatively quick and pretty cheap in the world of fun modern cars and I love it. I remember the day before I was going to pick it up some random guy was telling me that I should buy an Audi S3 instead - no reason given, but clearly because to him the brand of the car mattered more than anything else. I drive a Ford and I am absolutely fine with that, especially when it comes to servicing/runnning costs! I always make sure I do what I want and not spend my life trying to impress people that don't care anyway.
Haha what’s up jayemm. From a middle class perspective I’d suggest a Miata. Not a collector item. Not skyrocketing in value any time soon. Extremely fun and engaging. Not the end of the world if you crash or it gets dinged up. Low stress, high fun. Personally id be too concerned trying to preserve an old 911. Maybe a used cayman if I was a rich man lol.
he's absolutely right. I grew up on Top Gear and EVERY. SINGLE. episode that I remember the most, are all the $1,000 car challenges. Buying Old Alpha's and seeing if they can make it to a concourse competition, etc, etc. The episodes I don't remember at all are the ones where they just review some new Ferrari or Aston Martin for 40 minutes. Second. The realest answer here is that we need Miata type cars from BMW, Audi and Mercedes again. small, light, manual cars with 250ish HP, Little to no tech, and no hybrids. That way cars can be Toys again. where you can have your fun drivers car for cheap and a comfy estate car in the drive at the same time.
Mike I can honestly tell you that it's not the car that sells the video, it's you. It's your combination of honesty, experience and passion that makes the videos interesting, not the car that you're driving. Really glad you made this video, it's helpful to shatter a costly illusion. All the best mate!
Very true, i end up listening to Mike and looking at the road in most of the videos, i re watch them to enjoy the interiors and the way he operates the car☺️
@@MickDrivesCars I disagree, having driven a 75 HP car for 6-7 years, it was frustrating and agonising how slow it was when you wanted more performance out of it. If you have multiple cars and have the knowledge that you can jump into a much more powerful car when you want, then sure, it's good for a laugh and you can appreaciate it better. But as an only car, no.
@@Alexandru-T.You're taking the point made here a bit too literally. A slow car doesn't necessarily mean 75hp, but 450 or so is too much for the public road, a GTI or similar is plenty fast.
@@Alexandru-T. I'd say around 200 hp is the sweetspot. In new cars, even 150 is quite zippy and definitely enough in most cases. I agree however, that a car that is too slow is not fun, might even be dangerous e.g. while overtaking.
I sense you still have a scarcity mindset, and since you’re an immigrant, I can’t fault you for that. Im not an immigrant, but I wasn’t born well off, and now I find myself in your shoes. I can have cool cars like this, but at almost 30 years old, I know it’s not smart. However, I’ve had the pleasure recently of talking to a few people who are all over the age of 90. Not a single one of them wishes they had saved more money. Instead, they wish they used what little they had to squeeze as much enjoyment out of life as possible. They’re at the end of their lives, and they’re realizing they’ll never get that time back. Any chance they had to enjoy life to the fullest is gone forever. They begged me not to make the same mistake. Live life brother, we only get one
Love this comment, ''scarcity mindset'' is such a good phrase and really encapsulates what I'm trying to say. It's not like the car caused me any hardship, I've had it almost a year and did enjoy it... It's just that I want to use my ''fun car'' a LOT and it feels like I'm restraining myself because of that scarcity mindset!
This is true, but if the car causes you to worry, you're not living to the fullest. It actually is making your life worse. I'd say get your priorities straight, and only when you have the important thing straight, then feel free spend on a nice car. And keep in mind the upkeep of such a car.
@@MickDrivesCars I feel your video its same for me. Everything you said I agree and have thought of it pretty much the same way. I got 3 series old car e90 which is for me "new" and I am avoiding to drive it in some places were I could scratch it, its wide, not really visible from the seating position in some cases etc. Tho we have wider roads, even cross country fast roads, are fun but little wider so you dont have to worry that much, but then around city its crowded and car feels just to big. My smaller car that I got to use from work, is newer smaller but fuel is paid for and all expenses and I can drive it alot... so I end up using that one more, but still Bmw is much more fun for me when I take it out for a drive :)
The high cost per mile dissuading you from going on a drive is real. I have a number of driving buddies who went from being down to cruise all the time, to only going out for shorter trips in perfect weather once they got a more expensive car. "Too hot for the turbo" or "too wet for RWD and Cup 2s" or "Too far for the sticky track tires" are real problems!
I got a GT500 and it absolutely makes me incredibly happy every single day I get into it. I find myself driving just to drive. One of the few cars I have had that thrills me this way. It is absurdly fast. So fast it’s basically useless on 50% of roads. Full pulls get you into arresting level speeds so fast they really can’t be done in city limits. The car can only be uncorked on freeways or the track. Don’t care. The sound, the seats, the pull, the steering feel, the crazy attention it gets from other car guys, it’s the best money I have ever spent.
I will transmit some wisdom I've seen elsewhere online. It talks about Porsches but you could replace the brand name with any other enthusiast car and it still works: "Happiness is buying unloved old Porsches and driving them hard". I have got a 944 Turbo, it's like a MX5 on steroids. I love it every time I drive and I don't worry about depreciation. The sweet spot for enthusiast car ownership is under 400hp, under 1500 kilos and hydraulic steering. Usually that's a 90s / 2000s car. Everything else is modern consumerism and full of shit we don't need.
Lets say 300-350hp in a 1300-1400kg car is a rly fun car for daily driving. Also depends what CC and if turbo or NA but lets say 2000cc+ and no huge turbolag.
I got 4 cars, which one of them is a Alfa Romeo 4c. Its the perfect car. Low taxes, low weight, low maintenance costs, low fuel consumption, high fun, no depreciation (more the opposite) and a lot of joy and fun. The other one is a Jaguar XKR convertible from 2008. Bought it this year. Also wont depreciate any more, beautiful v8 analogue driving experience, tax advantage in my country because of the Youngtimer status, etc. I also have a car that is opposite: an Alfa Romeo Stelvio Q. That car just costs a shitload of money. But to be honest, I can pay it. The amount of fun it gives, despite being pratical and bringing me everywhere is incredible. I just could not buy the 4 cylinder, despite how much cheaper it is to run. I just NEED the 6 cylinder. The sound and feeling is unparalleled. But yes, you should have the budget, otherwise you will get a lot of headache. My 4th car is a hybrid Fiat. Thats the "cheap" town car. That car shaves me a lot of costs of the other cars, especially on the short trips. Is also the car you care about the less... just park it anywhere, etc. The combination of this cars is absolutely a joy.
I feel this i just bought my dream car and i want to sell it already and just put the money back in the bank and i said would do this mod and that mod to it and to be honest man I dont even want to mod it i want to keep it stock now
What did you think liked would be like? Did you buy it because you like driving or because it would make you look good? Not dissing. Just curious. I bought a “dream car” (civic type R) and I can’t get enough of it. I know if I had bought it for social purposes I would be disappointed because in the end nobody cares what you drive, especially women.
@ I always wanted this car and to be honest I bought it because thought i would look rich in it (ik it sounds silly) and also was my dream car for the last couple of years (Bmw M5 com), I guess things don’t always turn around how you expect them to
@ it’s silly but I understand it and I can relate. Reality doesn’t set in until after you get the car and realize that a) most people don’t care and b) looking rich only only seems create resentment with friends and a family who are less fortunate. My best memories with the car community were from back when we all had 10+ year old cars and helped each other keep them running lol Now most of my friends got married and had kids and can no longer afford to own a sports car so I’m sort of alone in my enjoyment.
I love my car and I love cars my friends that did this together with me back with B series was the jam and the K was on the way man those were the days. I retired early due to having kids my friends still drove hard for years. Fast forward 10 years later I got a TTRS MK3 on E and all my friends now drive vans and trucks when we hang out 😐!! I totally didn’t see that coming now it’s just me but honestly it was always just me and it’s something I love. I know it cost money but you only live once and I’m a cloud engineer my kids get all my time and money my car is the only thing I have that’s me everything else is family. So for that by itself I’ll enjoy it until I don’t and once it’s gone that’s it on to the RV game or something else. Have fun folks you never know when things will change so do you and buy things practically as best you can but every now and then you will purchase something crazy just have a plan.
someone saying an m2 is too big massively highlights one of the issues of suvs and big cars becoming the new ford focus. if a m2 is too big, they are way too big, yet they are just becoming more and more common
@@sammilburn445 BMW specs the M2 at 74.3 inches wide which is the same as my wife's Lexus GX460 mid-size SUV. That may be considered wide in the UK, but it is on the narrower end of normal here in North America. My daily driver is 22 inches wider than the BMW m2.
"The items that you own end up owning you." - I completely agree with everything you said and I have already experienced it. I just want to add a few words as I feel like you didn't stress this enough - the worries that you have after you purchase the car might overwhelm you. You have to think about robbers, about your personal safety, about hateful people who might damage your car simply because, about little or bigger accidents (i.e. where and how to park the car), and therefore - about additional insurance, additional expenses. At one point you are living your life well and might have little to no worries, and next moment you spend 70K and now you have to stress about so many things that you didn't really have to before. Your time and your psychological balance (and calmness) is much more valuable than any car. I am not the type of person who says "reinvest anything". actually I believe we need to live as much as we can while young, but there is always a balance and I am sure that there are so many cheaper cars that will be even more fun while they do not make you nervous every time you open the garage door or go for a little drive. (BTW, I have been looking at Miatas for quite some time now, while also not excluding the option for an M140 to modify, or a second hand previous gen M2 Comp, and you really helped me clear my head with your video.) Great video, keep up the good work! This is the first piece of content that I see from this channel and I am really impressed.
The solution is to have just a decently nippy (but not special) car, and use the money you were using for upkeep before on paying for track time. I'm an incredibly safe, conscientious, and pretty slow driver on public roads, and enjoy thrashing a Golf GTI around a track on the occasional track day. It's amazing.
I'm glad someone hit on this topic. This is something that only true car enthusiasts understand. Nowadays, especially thanks to social media, where cars are mostly presented as an indicator of financial and social status. Where power is the most important thing. But let's face it, most people out there are NOT good drivers. These modern cars with all this technology and assistants basically drive themselves, which gives these people the false illusion that they are good drivers. This is also why there are so many videos of accidents in luxury cars, because these people do not understand the basic principles of how to behave in such powerful cars. I have also noticed that more and more people who can actually drive and who have tried many luxury cars are getting bored with them and are enjoying much simpler, cheaper cars that you have to actually drive to get any performance out of them. . A great example was Jeremy Clarkson and his then-joy with the Toyota GT86. A car that many people spat on for having no power, but it was never about power, and a guy like J.C. - a man who has driven basically everything with 4 wheels in a decade - had the best times with it.
MX5 is a fun car to drive even with only the 150hp engine MX5 I did test drive. But sadly it is not good for a daily driver with its no room for baggage. I plan on baying a older Porsche Cayman myself.
@@a64738 yeah you nailed it. I had a mk1 V Spec for 14 yrs, did all the work myself, had tons of fun, but i cant do the family shop in it. Now own a 330D which is a phenomenal car but it doesnt have the same fun factor for sure.
You don't buy an M car an thing about "how it holds its value", you buy it to have it for as long as the "life of the car" and have fond memories driving it. A car is not an investment. You don't see your shoes as investment, no ? :) Solid video and you describe everything so nicely and thoughtful!
I agree, but I have mine as a summercar, it makes it that much more special to drive it.. I have never had "special" cars as a daily, its just becomes a daily 😅
I spent my adult life always wanting a faster, more capable car than whatever I had. I'd be happy with something for a year or two, and get beaten a few times at a stoplight race or through some corners, and move up to something faster. I ended up with a tuned 400hp AWD Golf that was so stupidly quick and loud that it was completely unenjoyable on the street. I was always scanning my surroundings for police and having to brake hard after 3 seconds of full throttle. Sure, knowing I could beat anyone off the line was fun for a bit, but then along comes a Tesla or two to put me in my place. There's always someone quicker than you. I've now replaced the golf with an old Mini Cooper S with a nice lowered suspension and a burbly exhaust and wooshy intake and it is an absolute riot to drive at any speed. I feel like I'm in a rally just driving to get groceries. Steering is excellent, it corners like a go-kart, and it makes lots of fun noises. And it's plenty fast now that I no longer care about getting beaten at stoplights. It's a cliche because it's true - it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. For me, it was a matter of putting ego aside and not needing to be "king of the road" and I'm much happier now!
I always used to hate mini’s because they weren’t fast, until I realised speed isn’t the be all and end all. Minis being exactly that, mini, is actually so sick, the practicality is awesome. And they’re not even exactly slow cars.
" I was always scanning my surroundings for police and having to brake hard after 3 seconds of full throttle." Yep. What a dream foot flat in second then into third coming off when in fourth. I don't think I can do that let alone third then fourth foot flat for both. Of course if no one were looking. Mk4 Focus ST M330. People don't realise in the main its seconds of fun and then just slow or cruising at tickover and a bit.
This is just perfect, the way you state everything that noone talks about - its always the response ”well then you cant afford it if you struggle with this or that”. Thank you for your honesty, it is refershing to see and hear these thoughts, despite having the dream car that many desires. Being authentic is the real deal, doesnt matter if its about humans, cars or anything in between. Less indeed more in certain situations. Thank you!
You put into words something I noticed myself many years ago. I used to drive my slow cars fast(and loved it), and now I drive my fast car slow. I thought it was a maturity/age thing, but you’re absolutely right about how my fast car doesn’t allow me to reach its maximum output without breaking laws or endangering myself or others around me.
I have an F87 M2, its the fastest car I've ever had. Its about 80bhp less than the one in this video but I just feel you can't put your foot down and enjoy it. 0-60 in 4.3 seconds is pretty quick; its a few seconds then your straight into license losing territory. So any blasts in it are reserved for country roads quite far from me. Still absolutely love the car. But - and people might laugh at this: I had more fun red lining my previous 2 cars. 200bhp Civic Type R and Corsa VXR. You could experience and enjoy the slower acceleration more without going 0-80 in the blink of an eye.
@@bc1sjw true, I don't have an M2 but I own a MK3 facelift focus ST tuned to 330hp and I thought this would be my dream but damn it's really hitting me hard. It's not only the gas mileage but the stress for the huge tires, engine maintenance due to performance upgrades and stress of the public and my security. I never felt this way when driving my 2006 VW golf/rabbit. It was an absolute dream. I would beat on that car on my drive to work and wouldn't even notice a difference in mpg. The monthly fuel spend in my old car is what I spend in 2 weeks in my fast car. And that's not even driving it everyday because I'm thinking about the fuel or tires or road conditions. The truth is owning a fast car is an absolute nightmare. People should know the truth.
I daily drive ND2 mx5 and i cannot simply get bored of this car, even a boring commute can turn into a ride with a smile. Weight is where the fun at. 0-100ing heavy german couch in a straight line will get boring at some point. The mazda is also pretty cheap to maintain and refuel
Same I have an ND2. Also people need to realise these new MX5 are not slow. Hagerty did some drag race against s2 audi.and BMW 500E W124 and ND2 was ahead of them almost the whole 1/4 miles.
I daily a MX5 rf nd2 as well. His points still stand. I love the car and i love driving it, 20000 km this year, but is still financially much more expensive than a common used car. In my opinion is money well spent but it is still a lot
@Ermy1996 A new nd2 was about half the price of an m2. It's nowhere near like buying and maintaining a car that costs twice as much with more than twice as much power. I have an nd3 but aside from being 2 seater convertibles, these cars are pretty practical and fairly cheap.
Man, your wisdom is really strong. Not many people, only ones who really enjoy and understand driving will understand what you said in this video. Love and respect from Russia
It's a bell curve. over time. In 20 years he'll feel the opposite. Both you guys are probably in your 30s. At 50 you will go back to enjoying fast cars.
UK problems. Narrow streets and lanes, low speed limits and high insurance costs. This thing is meant to be driven on German Autobahns without speed limit and German country roads, which are wider.
Having lived in Germany for 6 years and driven the autobahn a lot, especially for work who pay the petrol, I know what speeds I do when I pay and when work pays. 200+kph will drain the tank pretty quickly. Like he said, if you are worried about that cost then this car is not for you.
@redsaints Then you need a fast Diesel. 230 kph is only 13 litres on 100 km with mine. Going as fast as possible still averages around 7-9 litres for me, because of slower cars and recurring speed limits. I usually drive an average speed of 160 and get 7 litres on 100 km. Going fast can be pretty reasonable.
Brought my german spec gti performace to the uk twice. Naaaaaa 3rd world roads now. Can't get up to speed don't enjoy it and the best yet bent one alloy and cracked a spring.....but its waaay cheaper to tax and insure than anything in the uk
1998 Integra Type R, amazing to drive, reliable, cheap to run and won't decrease in value. Also perfect for UK roads as 200bhp in a car weighing just over a ton is more than enough.
So I sold my modified NC MX5 and bought a F87 M2 Competition in 2020. Traded it in two years later. All of your criticisms are valid - the expense was nuts, I could barely use the power on normal roads, I was always worried that I'd scratch it or damage it in some way... the pre-planning was a real issue for me as well with mileage. Oh yeah, and the F87 had a awkwardly high seating position that I never got used to. I absolutely miss my MX5 lol
Good points. Although depreciation and mileage never stop me from driving my car daily. It's just a car and I don't care about resale. Making this purchase means it's for me to enjoy, I don't care about owner #2 haha. You're really right about the numbness to the speeds and how it's not as fun after a while. That's when you but a nice exhaust 😬
Agreed. If you can't enjoy a nice (expensive) car daily without worrying about mileage, maintenance, potential repairs & depreciation then it's not the car for you.
You were too young for the car. I think a young person in an M car means either a spoilt kid or if then an older person gets it - it’s sad because of a younger person has it then the older person hasn’t really achieved much of a dopey kid can buy a new one.
@@MickDrivesCars Yeah i never understood why people get rid of their cars so quick. Like in the weird middle ground like 50k miles. Theyre the first owners yet they have no intention of keeping it till it dies or becomes too much of a lemon. I plan on keeping my car stock and mint condition for as long as possible like those rare one owner corollas that are pristine even with high mileage.
This is 1000% my mindset. We never think about depreciation on other large non-asset purchases we buy, why is it a consideration with cars? You pay for what you WANT. Not what will make you money. Though I've had my 2024 M4 Comp for about a year now and I've yet to experience speed numbness, it's still just as fun as it was when it was delivered. I'm sure I'll eventually hit that wall, but doesn't look like it will be anytime soon.
Also the fact that if you're driving around a city like london, there's speed restrictions everywhere, and if you put your foot down you immediately end up either in traffic or at a red light, just kinda hard to enjoy lol. This was a really well done video bro! Keep it up!
Agreed if you are in London or even the suburbs it’s a waste of time and money. If I wanted to have a decent drive it would take me 10-15 mins just to get there… and you’d hit traffic on the way back.
Mx5 is one of the best engaging and communicative cars I’ve owned. the gearchange is rifle bolt like. So enjoyable to drive. the Japanese slogan for the mx5 is “Jinba Ittai” which translates as horse and rider as one. And it is exactly that. In Porsche it’s numb you have no idea on feedback from the road. There’s a reason why mx5 drivers smile when driving.
I recently had a 1M for years, loved the looks & performance, but i generally believe you can have more fun in a 200bhp car, where you actually to get to see the revs rise in each gear, rather than foot down & run out of road before you actually have fun.
I got one of my dream cars last year after saving for a while. Full exhaust, got tuned, the whole package. I swear like a month after having everything that I wanted for years, I was over it. The gas was a lot and I had to use premium. My insurance was high. And maintenance wasn’t cheap. I wasn’t pressed for money but it did make me put everything into perspective. It’s just a car. Fast forward 3 months, the exhaust caught fire while driving and totaled the car. I was sad at first but now that I look back, it was a blessing in disguise. Save your money fellas.. and ladies. I now drive a 2002 Honda accord and couldn’t be happier. Great video bro and a lot of wisdom here
Honest video. I lusted after an rs6 for years, finally got one stage 2 720bhp. Scared to race anything similar because how fast are we actually gonna be going, gonna be scary speeds in no time. Money pit and I drive it like a granny 😊
Grats on the beautiful car. Continue driving it like a granny - as long as you're happy that's all that matters. I'm the same with my 240i - when I got it it was a kick but now I really have respect for it and if anything drive slower than I did with my previous 320d.
Take it to the track, man. Learn your limits (they'll come way before the car's, it's very capable, lmao). That doesn't mean go all out time attack and try to set a new overall best lap for that particular circuit, but push your car slightly beyond what you'd do on a public road. As you get more acclimated to the track, its nuances and the feeling of the car itself, you push it 1% further. You've got a stunning car with great work done to it, please enjoy it. I'm dreaming of owning one.
@@michaelkelly3158 I respect what you're trying to say, but babying such a powerful car _could_ lead to less reliability. The car _should_ redline every now and then, go beyond the speed limit (on a track, safely), reach high temps and cool down, etc. The engine needs to do what it was made for in order to run optimally.
The big bills keep coming and you get nervous of breaking something all the time 😂. That said she is running as sweet as she ever has been, just had new plugs and APR coils, DRC has been serviced and recharged - so she’s overdue a spirited drive for sure 👌.
You finally hit petrolhead maturity. BMW's latest obsession with straight line speed killed my love for the brand. They're now no different from Audis. Which are fast, but have no soul. The best fun I had in a BMW was an E30 325i. I was just smiling and happy. Didn't buy it, because it was so crapped out. The worst fun I had in a BMW was in a 2010 turbo charged X5 shortly after. I remember just worrying how big the car was. I constantly found myself worried I may rear-end cars in traffic. The speed was exhilarating on country roads. And the 400nm was a real kick. But I didn't have as much fun as in the E30. At least it had a hydraulic steering wheel.
Best car, most enjoyable car, I've ragged on a road, in my over 50 years of driving. Was a little blue Fiat X1/9 5spd.....it had next to no power.....but it never felt lacking in power....and no, there has never been a newer high performance road car that has put as big a smile on my face, than that little X1/9. WITHIN road speed limits.
@@Mexxx65 Exactly, it's much more enjoyable to push a slow-ish car to the limits than drive a fast car at 1/10th of its capability because of speed limits.
As a Volkswagen Audi Group with emphasis on Audi guy I feel this in my soul. The golden era for Audi was 1980-mid 2000's in my opinion. Are they great cars? Absolutely not. But the UrS cars/ early RS badged cars were special and they felt that way. I'll always have my UrS6. To me it is quintessential Audi with a longitudinal 5 cylinder turbo hanging way in the front with traditional quattro and a manual transmission. Present Audi is entirely a disappointment with uninspired outdated interiors and matching driving experiences. Sure they may go quickly from 0-60 but so does a model 3 performance from half the price if that's all anyone cares about.
Yeah and usually not too bad to live with, Peugeot 207 GTI is the best car I ever had. 7 seconds 0 to 60, practical enough to live with, decent fuel economy and just a riot to take down a b road
@@George-nv1ri Truth, even after going to 2nd gear my gtis are too quick for the city speed limits. (200hp for mk5 & 220 for mk7, but the torque is unreal in the mk7) Perhaps in a rural/mountainous area you'd be easier to get away with it, lots of long straights in the country. Had a toyota celica with 140hp & it was always fun banging out gears, even better on fuel without a turbo. Unfortunately the 2001 gt had issues with piston rings so it would eat too much damn oil. Was my 1st manual. rip
You talking it! I love hot hatches since i drove an Opel Corsa D OPC. The Corsa made it clear to me that 200 hp is perfect-not too much, not too little. A small car is way better for me than a big car. You can park everywhere and you have lower costs for repairs, fuel and maintenance. However, the Corsa also made it clear to me that you have to pay attention to the reliability of cars in general. This car broke down at 180,000 km... For me personally, that is unacceptable. The guy who bought the rest of the car told me that’s normal for a Corsa OPC. I also looked for a cheap, reliable car that is turbocharged. The story ended with my little Japanese Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart (150 hp). I bought it for €5,000, but you can find the pre-facelift model in Germany for around €3,500. I also purchased an Airtec intercooler for €600, an oil/water temperature display for €100, and a software optimization to achieve 200 reliable hp for €300. It’s an absolutely fun sleeper car for €6,000 (pre facelift €4500) that can easily reach 300,000 km. Maybe it’s not the nicest, but if you put some love and a bit more money into it, you can have a fully customized car for yourself.
I got the mk4 Focus ST with a mountune map. Superb car wouldn't change it, but unless on a deserted open road the fun comes from acceleration for a few seconds only and that's all you can do. Also the Focus is a wide car for the lanes. She is on the box 330PS and 515NM.
I genuinely love slow driving in my 150hp civic, it’s so fun and I just can’t find myself enjoying an expensive fast car as it will probably get old like a regular car with 5x the cost. Everytime I see or get into my car it just makes me smile and that’s something I can’t find from a super car personally
I used to detail for a retired Silicon Valley millionaire who tracked his cars often, and he told me this. “It's better to drive a slow car fast than drive a fast car slow. It stuck with me to this day. Most cars are ridiculous to drive on the road, and the manufacturers know this, which is why they limit the production of these vehicles. There's no reason a person who doesn't even go to the track should drive around with 600-plus horsepower under their hoods. It just breeds an environment for chaos.
i agree, its just that these performance cars LOOK so good lol, i wish more companies had modest priced good looking alternatives similar to the subaru brz or toyota 86 (but with 50-75 more hp)
I work at a german car dealership in the U.S. and its taught me nothing other than to never buy or even drive my dream car. I hop in this absolutely insane AMGs with the 4.0 TT and im brutally dissatisfied to be honest. Put them in race mode and everything, and theyre such good cars that theyre simply underwhelming. I've come to realize that if you want an incredible, life changing experience with a car, buy an older one. early 2000's or older. Obviously there's exceptions with specific drivers cars, but those are expensive!! I went from dreaming about mclarens, 204 c63s, and m3/4s to wanting a c6/c7 corvette, or an fd rx7. they make the most sense in terms of financial balance, and having plenty of car. reality of it is, when you are driving these insane new cars, youre just another input, and the car is doing so much of the driving that you dont even recognize.
I have C7 Z06 since 2020, to enjoy the car on public road you need to get a stupid high speed, tough it looks, sounds and ride nice. I am also considering going to mx5, because this the only one that will keep me out of trouble and with license.
Can confirm. Owned a AMG GT63 S from 2019 for 2 years and it was fun, no doubt. But the car literally does it all for you. Going 250 on the Autobahn with your pinky only? No problem. And that's a problem.
Sports cars and financial balance don't belong in the same sentence. Regardless if it's American, Japanese, or European. Cars like the C7, RX7, Zs, C63s will run your pockets when something breaks. That's just the nature of any performance oriented vehicle.
You hit the nail on the head. What’s worse is when you continue chasing the need for speed. This led me from a 300zx TT all the way up to a 1400hp GTR with several others along the way. The GTR was an absolute rocket ship and guess what, I NEVER wanted to drive it. It was loud, clunky, I was always terrified something was going to break, not to mention you literally couldn’t put the pedal to the floor on the road. It would do 60-130 in 3.7 seconds so literally in just seconds you are more than double the speed limit. I’ve since sold it and haven’t replaced it with anything. I seem to find more enjoyment driving around in my truck with the family on Sunday drives.
Out of all the many cars I've had my 1998 BMW Z3 2.8L 193hp is by far the most fun. It drives fantastic, has enough power to move, slide, etc., but not so much that I can't push it without going insane speeds, and with the roof down I can enjoy just going for a cruise. I can't recommend it enough.
I have to say I agree with a lot of this. The car I look back on, that always made me smile, was my old Mk2 Focus ST. You could have as much fun as you liked thrashing it through the gears. It was quick but not hyper-hatch quick. My Motech edition M140i runs 436hp, a bucket of torque, and absolutely flies. The problem is that after a few seconds acceleration you are way north of the speed limit and have to back off again. The fun to be had is in enjoying the range of the car, not having one quick blip and being in license-losing territory. I reckon a nicely kept noughties or even nineties hot hatch, £5k tops to pick up, would be more smiles per mile than any of the current crop.
I’m 43 I’ve had new cars every 3 to 6 years depending on circumstances and car itself since my early 20’s, however I’ve learned anything material only makes you happy for a curtain amount of time. You get it and all is good for a year or so, after that your still searching for “that next thing” I now refuse to spend more than 35k on a car, if that means I’ll no longer be able to get in to new cars next time I’m In the market for a new car then so be it, I’m not prepared to keep raising my budget chasing that never ending “want” all cars are a depreciating asset and a financial risk and won’t make you happy, not really. Well only for a curtain amount of time. I’m a massive petrol head, have been all my life. I just won’t get involved in that never ending cycle of PCP and kicking a load of credit down the road for 3 to 5 years for a car I’ll never own.
Don't agree. My car is 21 years old and I am still enjoying it a lot almost every time I ride it. It's not the enjoyment of having the newest, most impressive car for others to be envious of, but the enjoyment of having a powerful convertible that serves flawlessly the good old way.
great video! Being a car enthusiast myself, my holy grail of car ownership has always been the rs6 avant. I finally mustered up the courage to buy a slightly used one a few months ago. It's a beautiful machine from all the angles, i always catch myself staring at it when i'm walking away from it. The car is insanely fast and the v8 makes some intoxicating sounds. With that being said, my insurance premium has doubled and i try not to cry every time i look down at the petrol gauge. The difference between an m2 and a car like an RS6 is that when i'm not in the mood to drive it like a maniac, it becomes a very comfortable, serene, spacious and practical form of transportation that i enjoy driving slowly as much i enjoy driving fast. This dual character of the RS6 is really the main reason that keeps me holding on to this car that much longer, but i could see how a very specific purpose built car like the M2 can lose its lustre if you're not using it in the right environment for the right reasons.
It goes back to the old but true statement of its always more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. Loved the video man. Loved the honesty.
@@ChuckYuuuyea exactly a lot of the comments on this video people seem to have had some revelation of some kind. Like OP said something groundbreaking. Seems that many aren’t confident within themselves or where they are at in life. I only clicked on the video because I thought it was going to be funny and not some coaching moment.
You must be new to cars. 99% of car reviewers have been saying slow car fast > fast car slow for about 25 years at this point... The only people who disagree are drag/street racers and people who buy sports cars for the status not bc they like to drive
Mick, just felt as though I have met a soulmate!! Thank you. Everyone needs to hear your message ahead of their future dreamed-for big purchase, just so they understand what is going to happen to them. They will come to the same conclusions. Hopefully they will have had some fun at the start and stayed alive to tell the tale. I'm in my 50s and have loved loved loved cars since forever. XR2, Clio Williams, 2nd hand Alpina B9, then crap cars for ferrying children and meeting the mortgage payments. Finally four years ago I was in the position to get a 2nd hand 997 gen 1 gt3. Amazing car. Took it to the nurburgring and had it for four years, including to the Nurburgirng (which I VERY much recommmend) and did 10 as-fast-as-i-could laps. The problem is that you come home, everywhere is 20 mph (not that I'd race in town anyway), and after the novelty of getting into it has worn off, exactly as you say - the enjoyment per £pound wears thin. It's fine if you're loaded - you can take it to the track numerous times or go abroad and hit the European passes. But if its an absolute dream purchase and a real stretch then watch out. There is nowhere you can really explore its performance except for fleetingly! In the end the heartaches of it getting scuffed by dpd delivery drivers/ the outrageous sums Official Porsche Centres want to charge you, the trackers, the insurance, the tyres I just had to get rid of it. I wanted to be able to "drive" it, and you just can't. Anyone whose got one really just ends up posing/pootling/enjoying the car at normal speeds. It just wasnt worth the cost - I wasn't getting enough out of it. I might as well have been driving something much more ordinary. So i got rid of it. Everyone thought i was mad - but I was the only one who understood my predicament. Taking it out for the odd thrash down the motorway - dont ask! - was just going to mean I eventually wasnt going to be allowed to drive at all!! So completely agree with you - it just took me 30 years longer to come to the same answer. I'll let you into a secret though. Go and test drive a second-hand Lotus Elise! That's what I got to replace it. Even more fun. You sit 6 inches off the ground - feel as though you're doing twice the speed you are, reliable toyota supercharged engine. Skinny tyres, AMAZING handling, much cheaper to run, insure, you can even take the roof off! Honestly, I have found motoring nirvana!! 2025 I'm heading back to the Nurburgring in it! and my son will bring his car..... a bmw! All the best, Seb (just subscribed) (Honestly guys and girls, not putting you off your dream and I enjoyed mine, but eventually ... the penny drops! In the meantime - keep safe, and everyone else around you safe while you're doing it.
You might enjoy my POV drive in a friend's Elise - it didn't get many views but I thought it was a great video! Agree 100% with everything you've said and really appreciate everyone that's been leaving these comments and letting me know I'm not alone!
Bought a new 2014 BRZ and the last 10 years have been a bloody glorious experience. Keeping it for life as the best sports car ever made. It has zero sound deadening, weighs in under 1200kg and always feels like its going 15kph faster than it actually is. Few things are more cathartic than hitting the 7400 rpm redline and not breaking the suburban 50kph speed limit. After a string of RWD V8's I honestly enjoy the BRZ more than any of them. Also costs peanuts to fuel, insure and maintain in general.
I traded a mustang for a Honda Civic SI this week. I bought the mustang years ago impulsively because I wanted something sleek and fast. As a 24 year old bachelor it was a great car. But 5 years, 25,000 miles and a brand new city later, my priorities shifted. I wasn't looking for validation from random people on the street saying "That's a nice mustang". In fact this car tested my patience some. The clutch was stiff and a pain to drive in stop go traffic. The gearbox was meh and hated cold weather. The back seats were practically unusable for any trips longer than 30 minutes, and my passengers complained about that. Other nitpicks - meh gas mileage, poor infotainment system, rough suspension for city commuting. I chose the civic SI because it's sporty enough to feel engaging, very practical with backseats and trunk size, good driver features and great infotainment system. Easy clutch and excellent gearbox. This is all the car I actually need. From a utilitarian perspective, anything more than this is just luxury. Hell even the features being offered in this car is a luxury by some standards.
Why do a lot of immigrants always drive this Honda Civic SI ? Im European i was also to Canada and yeah. Always saw "typical" person driving these cars.
I’m at that point in my late 20’s where I’m realising that peak automotive enjoyment for me at the minute with a semi urban commute is a comfortable German saloon with a whopping big V8 in it. Bought an S500, gave it a res delete and put a hi flow manifold on it and it’s like driving a very angry cloud.
I think my peak enjoyment is a 2-car garage 1 - the most boring car on the road (civic, golf, corolla) that you can park anywhere and nobody looks at you 2 - roadster with skinny tries and little power you can drive 10/10 without breaking the speed limit 3(?) - angry cloud? it does sound fun.
@ Yep absolutely. If you’ve got the room and financial overhead, a 2 car garage cannot be beat. I’ve daily driven a straight piped NC MX5 and an E89 Z4, the NC was the most raw driving experience I’ve ever had due it being heavily tinkered with for the best b-road experience but my GOD was it a pig to live with. The E89 is bit of a fence-sitter, not quite dynamic enough to be a truly great roadster but not soft and comfortable enough for a comfortable commuter. Now that I’ve got the S500 I’m wishing I still had that NC to go alongside it ! And yeah, angry cloud is the best way I can describe it. You don’t feel a thing, nor hear a thing when you’ve got it in comfort and it’s bearly hitting 1.2k revs. But plant your foot and the 5.0L NA V8 purrs to life and you get the kick of lowdown torque to throw you down the road, still not actually feeling like the car is making contact with the road.
Too bad they don't sell the Yangwang U8 here in Canada that would be cool for my 2 car garage. My other vehicle is 2018 911 4S manual with powerkit and ceramic brakes. Great ride even when outside is -10 F. For truly enjoyment awd is essential though
super saloon lovers unite! Got a first gen Panamera GTS recently, and while I've been feeling some of the financial points of this video, it reinforces my decision to avoid the turbo-equipped cars... It's fast enough as it is, and handles absurdly well for its size, but most importantly... It's comfortable and luxurious. And when you drive a lot, long distances, lots of commuting, the luxury matters. Good suspension, good NVH considerations, comfortable seating for long periods, and general ergonomics are all critical things that a lot of more "sensible" cars lack. And if I'm feeling spicy I can open up the sports exhaust valves, switch to sport mode, and hear that N/A V8 roar. Sure, ridiculous speed and handling are definitely things that will seem exciting at first and then fade away, or you may not get to enjoy fully on most roads. Comfort never gets old though.
I felt EXACTLY the same last year. I always wanted a a45 and I slowly built up to it by having a focus ST, 350z, cupra’s etc all before. When I got it I loved it but I ended up feeling like I was forcing myself to love it for the same reasons you’re saying as its just to powerful, numb and grippy for the UK country roads. Imagine saying I’ve now gone from a 440bhp A45 AMG to an old BMW 130i which is 260bhp and I prefer the BM. It’s crazy actually what brings you fun compared to what you dream about owning.
I just bought a 2019 M2 Competition a few weeks ago and oh my God you summed it up perfectly. I am absolutely in love with the car, but I can't help shaking the feeling that, every time I drive it, I am losing so much money. It really is a financial pit you dig yourself. And yes, it's okay on the road but nothing like I had imagined before. It's wide, it's raw, not every drive is fun, ... Not gonna lie I felt it so much when you said you were thinking about selling your car. Owning this car fills me less with happiness and more with a mix of doubt and dread. It's not all doom and gloom of course but these are things that nobody but you talks about and it's only a thing that you experience as soon as you actually own a car like this.
Completely agree with everything you’ve said. With cars that have less hp, you can use 100% all of the time which is more enjoyable as an enthusiast. I think around 200bhp is about right.
I've never loved a video more that speaks to my decisions like this one. This was so real that I feel like maybe the M2 isn't quite for me. I love it but at the same time it costs a lot and the cost to run is high. This was real and made sense to me as a product review. Thank you.
I find this to be very intuitive. Simply maximizing the useable power is the key, anything over is excessive and you won’t even be able to use it on the road. It’s more fun to make a slower car work than to keep a fast car in the stables.
My last car was a GR86 that I had for little over a year, until it was written off by an elderly driver ploughing into the back of me whilst I was in stationary traffic. Once the insurance was settled, I was looking to buy another GR but could only get ones with high mileage 2nd hand and I couldn't buy new as they stopped shipping new models to the UK. So... I ended up getting a BMW Z4 M40I as I've always wanted a Z4 since being a teenanger and had the cash to put a significant despost down from the above event. I've had the Z4 for nearly a year now and whilst I don't regret the purchase, and it is fun to drive and semi practical for a daily. I totally agree with this video and say I had more fun in my GR86 with the percieved feeling of going faster than you actually are around corners, and the feel of acceleration and response from the car etc, but still remaining within the speed limit. The Z4 - Whilst not a true M car or sports car def has it moments in sports mode with the assists off. but I feel like I'm spending more time focusing on not killing myself or someone else than grinning and giggling like I did in my old lesser powered GR. That's my 2 pence anyway - great video.
That's what I was feeling, my dream car was actually a GT86 until the GR86 came around. Ended up getting a GR and don't regret it a single bit. It has just enough power to be fun, the chassis is excellent and it's actually quite practical for a sports car. Yup, perfect for me. I am just not so well off with money atm so that's stressing me a bit, but I will pay it off. Really sorry to hear about yours getting totaled, they also stopped shipping them to Spain so that's one of my fears, specially as those cars are hard to see from bigger SUVs and such. Hope you find something that fills that void in the future, life is long! If you think your z4 does not fill you enough, you will always be able to switch it to another one, those cars don't lose as much value as others.
@@corysimpson4499 Honestly mate, if you're going for a newer version Z4 - I'd go M40I as it is powerful enough to have some fun in it but still remain comfortable inside for daily driving, and if you're in the States you get the exhaust 'burps & pops' which enhance the experience with the roof down and in sports mode. Whilst the 30I, I've heard people regret getting it as it's still a nice car etc, but it dosen't have the drive feel and 'power' the m40i has and they wish they just went full in for the more powerful model. I'd also argue a Miata or Toyota GR86 would be a better driving experience for fun and daily than the m30i. Another major downside between the two is cost, as you will be paying anywhere from 15-20k more between models. And if you care, some people may scoff that you're driving the cheaper Z4 etc as people can be snobs.. But at the end of the day, both cars are decent and fun to drive. So if you can afford it and 100% want a Z4 over an M model or porsche get the m40i. But if price is a factor and want to get the 30i - go for it dude. As like this video says, go on your gut feeling and you shouldn't be disappointed on your purchase.
I feel like if your buying a dream car you shouldnt be worried abiut the value because if it really was your dream car you wouldnt be thinking about resale value, you might worry milage just because of maintenance stuff but in all reality its not a dream car if your worried about the gas milage and how much value its loosing because thats the mindset of someone who is planing on replacing the car not someone who bought that car because it was exactly what they wanted
I just recently bought a 2ss camaro and i love it but i bought it knowing its just a stepping stone for the car i think about everyday so thats the only reason im worried about the value but once i have the car i think about daily the only thing that is gonna keep me from enjoying it is the law not the milage or the value
The point is that you're not meant to be able to buy your dream car, or your dream anything. They never live up to expectation and once you have it you see all the things that make it suck. I can afford my dream car, I can afford to run it, maintain it, everything. _What I can't afford is to park it where I live._ That doesn't mean it's not my dream car, it just means modern Britain sucks.
@fredmercury1314 ive never heard anything so ridiculous. Dreams are meant to be achieved and if you think that they aren't meant to be achieved then they arent dreams they are wishes. Dreams are things you work towards and make happen regardless you dont make silly excuses to make your self feel better about not achieving them just yet. Wishes are things you hope for but dont push for they are things you want to be givin to you without working towards them
@fredmercury1314 and you missed the point he was saying how a fast dream car wont make you happy and thats just not true you are talking about not being able to afford to own one two completely different things
Thanks for your honesty!! My father and I once rented an M4. We had a lot of fun with it. After a few hours though we thought „We don‘t need this.“. The better acceleration doesn‘t justify the price at all and 90% of the time you are stuck in traffic anyways. Get a Miata or Mini Cooper instead!
Hey, I got an MX5 ND (2015) about 5 months ago. I can 100% confirm this is the most fun i've had on a car, even compared to 300+ HP cars. In the MX5 you can 90% of the times go full throttle without being in constant danger. The car weights about 1000 kg and is relatively cheap to run. I can get 9L/100km if I floor it and run at 7k rpms all the time, but I can also get 5,5L/100 km when comuting to my work smoothly at about 2-3k rpms. If you plan to daily drive, i highly recommend getting the last gen (ND) as you also get very useful more updated everyday features. I do have to point out tho, the MX5 at slower speeds also lacks a bit of communication on the steering. I still have to confirm if its not a problem with my particular aligment (as these require a relatively high caster) but I've also heard more reports that it indeed lacks a bit of feel so it could be normal. Still, for street roads, I honestly feel its the best choice out there. HIGH FUN without a very high cost.
I bought one 2 months ago, which was a 60 hp downsize from my previous Honda Accord. But boy, I'm having too much fun compared to before. The MX5 ND is super responsive with the NA engine, and rides smoothly with its lightweight chassis. I just love everything about it. I can just push it around the corners and it sticks, I can relax and just commute in the rain and again no problem. At this point I don't know how am I going to ride another car after this at this price range.
ND is actually completely out of the running because steering. Even the ''improved'' ND3 is not what I'm looking for. Current front-runner is a manual-steering NA
@@MickDrivesCars That little blue Fiat X1.9 I've mentioned here, had no power steering, didn't need it. The feedback through its diminutive steering wheel was magic.
YES! I read a thread somewhere about the best steering feel in all cars. #1 was Lotus elise, obviously... you can go watch my pov in one. #2 was the bloody X1.9!!! I really want to drive one.
Honestly if you can’t outright afford anything of this caliber, you should consider very carefully if the risk of owning something luxurious is worth it to you. Nothing more heartbreaking to see a guy buys his dream car or whatever just to flex, but can’t enjoy it because of maintenance cost.
The question is not only whether you can afford but whether you will feel comfortable with the decision. This is different for everybody. I know people who could buy themselfes an M2 once per year without going under but would still feel like overspending..
My “dream” car is a Mazda MX-5. The driving experience it offers within legal limits is unparalleled, and there’s no need for a more powerful car on the street. I hope one day I’ll be able to afford a good MX-5.
I've driven my parents MX-5 nd2 a hundred times and it truly is the perfect car, it feels amazing on country roads in the summer and it's so much fun sliding around corners with the RWD in the winter. I wish I had just a tiny bit more headspace though and the rear-view mirror takes up alot of my visibility.
You're not wrong, I have more fun in my Mk1 Citroen C1 1.0 than my 3.2 TT on country roads.. The sound of the VR6 is what's making me keep her. As James May aka Captain Slow said, 'it's more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow'.
@mariomario2volte debatable buddy, I've had just as much fun in a 3.5t Ford Transit on the lanes... Longer wheel base, longer than the TT but more exhilarating 😎😂 'it's called opinion'
@@mattricopena Could have been also the weight but if you had more fun in a Ford Transit might be the Audi TT with his engine position the problem, buy a Z4 rather then that Audi... I heard from a man that had both... Z4 is on another planet
There's nothing that beats the sound of a VR6. And they're not even slow, if you want it to be quick, spend a few thousand on doing a turbo conversion. Truth is, people who buy fast cars, aren't enjoying the symphony of all the mechanical engineering. They're simply thinking about status and how it's "fast"
This is why I love and cherish my MX5 NB 2002. It's a sport and has all the upgrades so the extra bracing, 6 speed gearbox, alloy wheels, heated leather seats, hard top, big brake kit, torsen LSD. 140ish HP and it weighs just over a ton. You need no mods other than a good set of tyres to have endless fun with this machine. It's not powerful enough that you have to worry about going silly speeds when you put the foot down so you can row through the gears and smash the limiter like a sailor. Torsen LSD bites nicely and let's you kick the end out whenever you like and being an MX5 it's well balanced so you almost never get into a situation you can't control. Steering/gearbox are fantastic little things and overall the car is very easy and cheap to maintain. Engines are bulletproof. They've sold over a million for a reason, spares and brand new parts are so easy to get hold of not to mention the millions of YT videos, articles covering every single aspect of how to repair, replace or service every component. There are at least 3 specialists MX5 garages within 30 minutes drive from my home and I live in a fairly rural part of West Yorkshire. If you buy one, just beware the rust and take it as a necessary part of maintenance every 5-10 years unless you can keep it dry in a heated garage. Sills, archs, front chassis legs are the biggest offenders.
I've got a BMW E90 325i a year ago, and i think it is still in quite "perfect" ratio of being both powerful but still enjoyable. 218HP, but also it is a sedan, so there is some weight, and of course it is NA engine, so it is not so fast. M-sport suspension, and hydraulic steering, so still some of old "BMW feel" in the wheel. Yep, doing town speed it is totally calm car, but on country roads, going 90-100km/h, with the suspension it can really feel aggressive, and actually enjoy it, without going dumb speeds, and as it is NA, it takes some time and effort to work for the power of it. I appreciate your honesty, probably "destroying" some people's dreams about having cars like this, but it is really smart, and it is just true, it comes with a lot of drawbacks, as modern premium cars are really just street legal "track cars"... Which may not sound bad, but well, it is.
E90 330i LCI sedan manual here and Ive been satisfied with it for 13 years. For next car thinking about Macan GTS maybe, everyone praising it as a daily driver and in a snowy cold country it might work well. Its also not a big car which is nice.
I've had some pretty O.K. cars over the years: 911T, 911E, 996 3.4, Boxster, a few turbo Subaru's and so on. Even so, all these years later one of my motoring highlights is still a £175 Puegeot 106 1.5 diesel. It was SO well judged: pedals just right for heel and toe, no power steering so fantastic steering feel. Driving was all about smoothness and momentum. Zero stress, max fun.
Bought my dream car (Mitsubishi Evo 7), and while it did make me happy for a while priorities change over time. Now I just drive around a nice comfy lexus, and use my money on travel instead of car mods,
wanted to buy an M2 in India (they cost $150k here), went for a bike instead (Kawasaki ZX4R). Thing is so much more fun to drive, has no parking issues, looks dope, and was 1/10th the price of the car. So happy with the decision.
Yes bikes are the solution to this issue imo, there’s obvious pros and cons but for an impressive machine that revs above 13krpm and is super car levels of fast (or more practical speed if you get a small bore 4) for 12k or less, there’s nothing that can compete in terms of “fun machines”
As a European person, i have been to India for work. Hope you wont die in that traffic my friend. The traffic is INSANEEEEEE. Where do you even have the space to enjoy the ride with so much traffic? NOWHERE.
@@HermanWillemsright sir no place to enjoy in India and even if u get pace u won't find good roads 😅 so buying cheap and reliable car and bikes are much better 😊
Absolutely right on the speed comments. I’ve had a lot of fast cars including an M340i and Porsches etc. They’re too fast. For me, Impreza WRX and Evo’s were the pinnacle of car ownership- fast enough , small enough, cheap enough and not too fast. Get a GR Yaris or Mini JCW!
Depends on which model year. mine is untouched performance wise and still has enough power to get to antisocial speeds relatively fast, and it's got enough grip to scare me. Being a modern car though, it kinda needs it to cut through all the lack of NVH and Japanese build quality.
wow £1000 a month is absolutely hysterical, glad you're telling people not to make your mistake. Alot can be done regarding wealth building that money.
Thank you for your honesty. There are a small handful of cars that are relatively cheap reliable fun to drive and relatively fast the main one being a Miata.
Hey Mick, you may never read this, but I’ve had a similar experience that may help you. I bought an f87 M2 when that was new as my first significant performance car. It wasn’t as fast as yours, but I shared your reflections about usability/feel/value and also got a lot of unwanted attention - I was eventually car jacked about a year into ownership. Since then I’ve always recommended that people with M cars, r32s, Range Rovers etc keep their house keys separate from their car keys, and never keep any personal/vehicle docs in the car. Since then the best car I’ve owned is my current Alpine a110 - few better cars for the money on a UK b-road imo, usable performance, robust used availability, and I’ve had no unwanted attention a year in. Might be a good option for you too. Mx5 is obviously a great option too - just thought I’d share in case it’s at all helpful. Best wishes for your channel going forward!
Alpine a110 was the first option i was thinking after viewing entire vidéo. Little, Amazing balance, cheapnrunning costs, downside only automatic gearbox. I had a Few sports car 2 lotus evora, 2 Cayman 981, 997S, 992, M2 compétition, RX8. I must admit that thé less powerful werde probably the more enjoyable to drive. Thé car that did make me forget about not driving sports car during thé winter was my Stelvio Veloce Q4, sterling, braies, feedback, cornering speed that car had it all from praticality to sportscar feeling, a kinf of solution if only one car can be purchased.
I've gone through 15+ new sporty, fast and big engine cars in the last 7 years with some being pretty pricey. I totally agree wiith this video and my enthusiasm for new, faster cars as a daily driver has gone. Even smaller classed cars have got way to big for my liking and pricing for new cars is ridiculous now. I'm now in an £8k used 'normal' car and I couldn't be happier and don't worry about kerbing the wheels, running through an overgrown bush on the side of a narrow country road and scratching the paintwork or leaving it in tight car parking spaces. I also feel less stressed when driving it without boy racers trying to race me.
I love driving and been racing gokarts for arround 10 years. I know how to drive and move a car. People laugh at me that I am driving my Renault Twingo RS for so long and having fun with it. They don´t understand my experience. "How can he have fun with a 133HP shit box??". You seem to understand my point and explained it very well. Thank you for this, maybe more people understand that you don't need 300HP+ ship to have fun AND get from A to B.
an mx-5 sounds perfect for you. My 2006 offers a great balance of fun, practicality and insane value for money. Driving the mx5 opens up the roads and makes you feel like you can place it where you like and choose your line. Will hope to see you go down that path!
You can't guess how much respect i have for you, for posting this video, for how much wisdom you have. You just told, what most people are scared to state.
Thank you!
I had nobody to teach me such things so I'm hoping I can do it for someone else
Very true
@@MickDrivesCars Check your emails mate go in another direction like me LOL double down ha ha!
100%, especially the end. In a world where the rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer, if you’re not rich enough to cover yourself multiple times over it doesn’t make sense to keep around nice cars like an M240i / M2 relative to their sportiness, an MX-5 would cover all the driving enjoyment possible while being mechanically simple and cheap enough to maintain for a lifetime
@@MickDrivesCars waste of insurance etc money, noisyness bumpyness is only a problem if its tiring you out, in which case you probably should use shoulder speakers with partial noise cancelation on, and have seat cushion if it does bother you. its illegal to cover ears for saftey reasons in some areas, so if you cant find shoulder speakers which cancel harsh noise, earbuds that do so arnt a option
see video called "my racing sim feels liek real life now" by optimum.
grip limit , steering range of motion, lap type, sound etc all can be personalized... so real life motor sport isn't simply enjoying the mandatory commute
driving funs is escaping perceived danger and driving style for lower emissions(like endurance racing, avoiding need to pitstop for tires, fuel) to whatever extent you wish.
driving rules for sustainability and emissions means: exponential accelerator pedal compression pace from around 5 miler per hour , optimal energy level , engine RPM . put down more power than that before uphills and on downhills brake and steer minimally and steadily.
about emissions: games fail to give that wanted sense of accomplishment if they arnt challenging enough. you might argue "muh study, da uder study, buh buh who fund study, da money printers" etc, but its a good general rule to not mess with natural order. so whatever is lightweight and efficient, Electric car or not, probably good enough. that is how some people truely do care about emissions and arnt only trying to pretend like their somehow better than some other or hopeing theyll get some cheap little admiration, like a nerd or a bimbo or something.
misha choudrins video of power non modified, modified only suspension brakes wheels, someone in comments section said its faster around turns than some speciic supercars, misha said a porsche gt3 level thing doesnt feel faster than a toyota gr 86 non modified by power, only handling mods.
saftey is not a issue if you can move quick and health is good with good mental muscle control practice as you should be doing anyway for memorizing movement control against forgetting when you get alzheimer's, and to wake your body up more. moving weights without moving them by gym machines which demand movement fo particular direction etc makes those stabilizing muscles work more. helps bone strength and testosterone for motivation and feeling more in non kid friendly adult activit, you know what i mean.
silicone bags against microplastic concerns, uber eats boxes, etc for carrying stuff.
parking can be made easier if its hard to find parking not too far from where your going
for life in general:
it seems people FEEL what cant simply be simulated and is most important in life is: family(improving genetic quality of society, etc) then fucking(sekz) because "phermones" at least in healthy opposite gender, no birth control pill, slowly transitioned into natural fat/meat no carb diet, etc. after those 2 is , finding, food, then fragrances., by "finding, i mean regularly dedicating some tome to existential exploration.
its in this order of importance because genes that spread tend to rather help spreading than not. less important parts are less satisfying without the more important ones, sorta of like giving a starving dying person vegetables instead of eggs n meat, expecting itll feel just as good vs having that junk food after hes healthy.
be against anti appreciation desentization as happens from overdose.
Not driving your car to save the miles for the next owner is like not sleeping with your wife or girlfriend because you're saving her for the next guy. Enjoy your car and drive it. You didn't buy it for an investment.
this is the issue with financing a car above your possibilities/needs. You realize that if something happens and you need to sell it or wtv you'll be short and end up paying to get rid of it.
Having money to run and maintain a car is more important that having the money to own it
@@cd.knuckles I'm going to be honest if you are really worried about everything going wrong. Then you should not get it. Even brand new. Because I see this all over everyday vehicles but brand new or newer. Because they're trying to impress or listen to certain others, or do it because someone else is doing it. It's like a cycle of following the crowd instead of self.
thats generally my thought on buying something expensive, if you buy something expensive and cant enjoy it getting used because its getting worn down over time, what joy do you have out of it.
I can’t sell my wife for the new wife when I’m done with her tho.
It’s not just the depreciation, it’s the mad running costs at the pump and servicing and repairs.
James May famously said that on public roads you can have more fun exploring the performance envelope of a Fiat Panda than a super car.
I rented a 70 hp fiat panda in Italy and still got speeding tickets 😞. It was a fun car.
to drive a fast car, you need the balls to drive it, and that can't be purchased, Mr. May.
As a kid, James May was never relatable. Today, his words can never be truer! When he said “desiging a car for thr Nürburgring ruins it!”
@@THESLlCK If you've got really big balls, by a Superkart and go faster around any circuit than all but the most extreme supercars - the lap record is 1:35.42 whilst the fastest GT3 racer is 1:33.8 - which is bonkers. And it'll cost you no more than £20k to get started.
Honestly, getting fast on a racing circuit is the best thing you can do to get it all out of your system. You start to realise just how dangerous a car - even a relatively slow one - can be, because you see the energy going out of them when they have an accident even when they hit the barrier at just 60mph.
Now you might think I'm a sad, boring office fella but in the garage is a Lotus Elise S1 prepped for the circuit, a racing kart (for my son, mostly), I used to ride motorbikes, and I honestly have more fun on the road using our Honda e or even in our Volvo V70 D5. Neither of those are particular fast, but for public road use they're fast enough. Now grow up a little and stop trying to be all macho - it makes you look insecure. And slow.
Dude some of those fiats feel like driving go karts they have like a turbocharger and everything
cheap cars make you so much happier. literally no stress, if it crashes or breaks its not a huge deal. lowers every day stress so much
ur absolutely right.
After spending too much money on cars in a lifetime it’s best to think of cars like footwear…….you actually need lots of different types of shoes for different functions, but they all get sweaty, pissed on and scuffed up (even your dress shoes). Most people only have enough money for one or two cars, so best have a pair of old comfortable and capable boots, and maybe a set of running spikes, or open toes sandals (I hope you get the analogy). What ever you have, just don’t pay too much or obsess about its perfect material condition, as this will detract away from the pleasure of use and ownership.
What a bunch of nonsense
Exactly, went back to a fiesta st after owning a new Bullitt for a few years. Couldn’t be happier now!
I'm pretty sure people who buy 80k car don't care how much it costs to maintain, at least overwhelming majority of owners dont lol
Dream cars are better in a poster…worked for 15 years to get to buy my dream car. The day I bought it I felt nothing. It was a convertible sports car that meant to feed into my dream of spirited drives in the countryside with open top listening to sounds of the engine. Never used the open top in 3 years of my ownership. One day I noticed on the cars mileage calculator that my average speed in whole year and over 7000 miles was less than 30mph. Next day I sold the sports car.
Personally I've found after 33 yrs of existence that the best thing we can do for ourselves is to take proper stock of where one's life is at, where you want to go, and your plan of getting there. Purchases like these can't be on a whimp or you'll ruin yourself. We all have a poison that we need to feed in terms of unreasonable things we spend money on. For some it's expensive watches, for some it's designer clothes, for some it's luxury travel, for some it's sports cars. If you bust your ass working hard, I believe you're entitled to enjoy yourself, otherwise what's the point of it all. Just have a plan and make sure your future self is taken care of
38 y.o. here, totally agree. I quit smoking a while ago and bought myself a fun car with the money I would have been wasting on cigarettes. The only difference is I'll have a fun car at the end of 2 years instead of lung cancer. Everything's carefully budgeted and I have no regrets.
I get what your saying and it's a great mindset for only being 33. It will change when your 43 but your on a good path. Find something productive to focus on as when your 43 mental heath becomes an issue if your not in a good position.
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Well said
you are right boss
This honesty is refreshing from a car youtuber. Fancy cars are hard to enjoy unless you're really really well off! Cheap and cheerful is the way to go.
There is an in-between. Works well for me.
I just finished college and am looking to get an m2. It’s a small stretch for me but this is the best time to do it since I have no kids and minimal expenses.
@@brianschultz7320 you ain’t getting insured on that. save your money
Got a 991.2 GT3 now at 66yo. Retirement prezzie. Drive it til I can’t then sell.
I totally agree with your comment 👍
Did we watch the same video lmfao? That was not the mssage it aint about money its about fun, @10:30 and on pay attention
That same thing happend to me when I first acquired my "dream car".
It's not JUST depreciation, running costs, and not having enough money.
If you ever experienced buying a "dream car" (i.e. something that you envisioned for years of having and thought extensively of using it), it CAN mess with your head once you have it.
Because you put that car on such a high pedestal that when you actually had the opportunity to acquire it (understand that it could have been a financially well-thought-out choice), you can become afraid of ruining it. That is what it is called "fear of spoiling."
That would be the same as being so afraid to ruin a relationship with the partner you always dream of, that you end up being overly jealous, instead of appreciating what you have, probably resulting in you losing your soulmate.
I took a page out of Ed Bolian's book and bought the worst example of my dream car with the money from my first "big boy" job out of school. It was a pretty rough Evo X, definitely survived a bump or two, but completely stock and low miles.
At first, I kicked myself a little bit for not having been more meticulous or patient for a better car to come along, but I think my Evo was a blessing in the long run. It was never going to win any car shows. But it was reliable, fun, comfortable, and, basically, only good for being driven and enjoyed. I still have it and love it even more than on the day I took the keys.
It’s more fun to go fast in a slow car than to go slow in a fast car.
What about going fast in a fast car? That's pretty fun
@@TatersFPVit’s also rarely possible without having your head constantly over your shoulder and having to deal with pricks on the road trying to prove themselves at every turn
I cant afford one i could probably buy one though
I cant buy 3 of them so I can't afford one
@@TatersFPV Not on public roads. It's dangerous. Or you're not actually going that fast and just doing the odd squirt.
72,000 pound car? goddamn that's heavy
american spotted ⚠
Not as heavy as the new M5
About the same as a standard American person
all the cultureless euros getting mad for no reason
70k for a birds car
"money wont make you happy" - a rich guy
It is very difficult for a man to admit his mistakes, especially with such an expensive car. Thanks a lot Mick for the honesty. Love & respect.
Much respect. Finally someone who spoke about this. I feel like most people have cars just for others and not for themselves.. just so others can be impressed with it.. Your car should be something YOU like and something that brings YOU joy. Stop buying cars just so you can say "oh yeah I own that car, I have that much horsepower" and so on.. Go drive your damn car and enjoy yourself.
100%! I test drove an mx5 just for a time kill and immediately just started laughing in disbelief. Never drove anything like it.
Thought about it every day for 3 weeks before going back and buying it.
Everyone else has 4x4 or whatever but I'm so happy and don't care what anyone thinks.
Tbh car speed and performance mattered very little to me. Almost every car I see, slow or crappy or whatever, I just imagine trying to set a fast time with it on a track 😂
That's what capitalism is. Working to hard to buy big houses and nice cars you don't need to impress people you don't like.
Cars don't make happiness but I'd rather cry in a Porsche than a Prius
So true I just got a 2024 Sentra sv in red!
Liked it so much despite the judgement. Convinced nsany has so much potential and as the economy realizes they are a bunch of brokies due to the system….. and the merger kicks in. Pathetic consumers will give nissians Sv line up a second look in 2025 because I got a steal deal for an amazing commuter car. Def gunna upgrade to premium when I refinance. The SR is overpaying. You only need the electric seats /moomroof. Tires look better on the sv although they are smaller . More personal opinions. Previously I only drove bmw :) and in emergencies a v6 ford explorer.
Now it’s Nissan /ford . I’ll get back to bmw later on :)
Absolutely agree, I drive a Mk8 Fiesta ST so it's something fun, relatively quick and pretty cheap in the world of fun modern cars and I love it. I remember the day before I was going to pick it up some random guy was telling me that I should buy an Audi S3 instead - no reason given, but clearly because to him the brand of the car mattered more than anything else. I drive a Ford and I am absolutely fine with that, especially when it comes to servicing/runnning costs! I always make sure I do what I want and not spend my life trying to impress people that don't care anyway.
You need to try an old 911, slower than your M2, much more engaging - and smaller. It'll make the love for them much clearer
Agreed. 300bhp in something smallish and light is a hoot
Haha what’s up jayemm. From a middle class perspective I’d suggest a Miata. Not a collector item. Not skyrocketing in value any time soon. Extremely fun and engaging. Not the end of the world if you crash or it gets dinged up. Low stress, high fun. Personally id be too concerned trying to preserve an old 911.
Maybe a used cayman if I was a rich man lol.
@kipp4805 yeah but for winters I'd want something that isn't rwd. How about a manual dodge dart 1.8 turbo.
Oh my word, Jay in the wild.
Hi Jay! 😁
@@JayEmmOnCars prefer a Subaru to be honest, much better daily than a Porsche
he's absolutely right. I grew up on Top Gear and EVERY. SINGLE. episode that I remember the most, are all the $1,000 car challenges. Buying Old Alpha's and seeing if they can make it to a concourse competition, etc, etc. The episodes I don't remember at all are the ones where they just review some new Ferrari or Aston Martin for 40 minutes.
Second. The realest answer here is that we need Miata type cars from BMW, Audi and Mercedes again. small, light, manual cars with 250ish HP, Little to no tech, and no hybrids. That way cars can be Toys again. where you can have your fun drivers car for cheap and a comfy estate car in the drive at the same time.
Mike I can honestly tell you that it's not the car that sells the video, it's you. It's your combination of honesty, experience and passion that makes the videos interesting, not the car that you're driving. Really glad you made this video, it's helpful to shatter a costly illusion. All the best mate!
I appreciate that!
@@MickDrivesCars Seconded. Really made me reconsider some of my thoughts about a next car.
Very true, i end up listening to Mike and looking at the road in most of the videos, i re watch them to enjoy the interiors and the way he operates the car☺️
True, on my 75hp rustbox i can keep my foot down and not brake the speed limit in 5 seconds
Slow car fast is so much better
@@MickDrivesCars Driving in a 110 HP shitbox will give you 10 times the adrenaline. Try something like an old 2.4 liter honda accord.
@@MickDrivesCars I disagree, having driven a 75 HP car for 6-7 years, it was frustrating and agonising how slow it was when you wanted more performance out of it. If you have multiple cars and have the knowledge that you can jump into a much more powerful car when you want, then sure, it's good for a laugh and you can appreaciate it better. But as an only car, no.
@@Alexandru-T.You're taking the point made here a bit too literally. A slow car doesn't necessarily mean 75hp, but 450 or so is too much for the public road, a GTI or similar is plenty fast.
@@Alexandru-T. I'd say around 200 hp is the sweetspot. In new cars, even 150 is quite zippy and definitely enough in most cases. I agree however, that a car that is too slow is not fun, might even be dangerous e.g. while overtaking.
I sense you still have a scarcity mindset, and since you’re an immigrant, I can’t fault you for that. Im not an immigrant, but I wasn’t born well off, and now I find myself in your shoes. I can have cool cars like this, but at almost 30 years old, I know it’s not smart.
However, I’ve had the pleasure recently of talking to a few people who are all over the age of 90. Not a single one of them wishes they had saved more money. Instead, they wish they used what little they had to squeeze as much enjoyment out of life as possible. They’re at the end of their lives, and they’re realizing they’ll never get that time back. Any chance they had to enjoy life to the fullest is gone forever. They begged me not to make the same mistake.
Live life brother, we only get one
Love this comment, ''scarcity mindset'' is such a good phrase and really encapsulates what I'm trying to say.
It's not like the car caused me any hardship, I've had it almost a year and did enjoy it... It's just that I want to use my ''fun car'' a LOT and it feels like I'm restraining myself because of that scarcity mindset!
@@MickDrivesCars That's when the "consumer" mindset comes in to encourage making more just to spend more, YOLO
@@zedmund9123when you’re on your deathbed, you don’t want to be the richest in the hospital, you want to be the happiest
This is true, but if the car causes you to worry, you're not living to the fullest. It actually is making your life worse. I'd say get your priorities straight, and only when you have the important thing straight, then feel free spend on a nice car. And keep in mind the upkeep of such a car.
@@MickDrivesCars I feel your video its same for me. Everything you said I agree and have thought of it pretty much the same way. I got 3 series old car e90 which is for me "new" and I am avoiding to drive it in some places were I could scratch it, its wide, not really visible from the seating position in some cases etc. Tho we have wider roads, even cross country fast roads, are fun but little wider so you dont have to worry that much, but then around city its crowded and car feels just to big. My smaller car that I got to use from work, is newer smaller but fuel is paid for and all expenses and I can drive it alot... so I end up using that one more, but still Bmw is much more fun for me when I take it out for a drive :)
My 2020 supercharged Mustang GT with 605 WHP makes me happy, happy, joy, joy every time I drive it. Manual with the PP1.
The high cost per mile dissuading you from going on a drive is real. I have a number of driving buddies who went from being down to cruise all the time, to only going out for shorter trips in perfect weather once they got a more expensive car. "Too hot for the turbo" or "too wet for RWD and Cup 2s" or "Too far for the sticky track tires" are real problems!
I just realized that i'm that driving buddy. Thanks for the heads up mate
That's where electric cars come in. I can ENJOY the POWER which cost LITTLE TO NO MONEY. Im just driving on my own solar energy. Beat that.
Yeah thats why i stuck to inline 4 turbos they are still quick, fun, and efficient.
@@HermanWillemsyou can also enjoy real depreciation.
Shouldn't be driving an expensive car if you can't afford to fill it up. Simple
I got a GT500 and it absolutely makes me incredibly happy every single day I get into it. I find myself driving just to drive. One of the few cars I have had that thrills me this way.
It is absurdly fast. So fast it’s basically useless on 50% of roads. Full pulls get you into arresting level speeds so fast they really can’t be done in city limits. The car can only be uncorked on freeways or the track.
Don’t care. The sound, the seats, the pull, the steering feel, the crazy attention it gets from other car guys, it’s the best money I have ever spent.
I will transmit some wisdom I've seen elsewhere online. It talks about Porsches but you could replace the brand name with any other enthusiast car and it still works: "Happiness is buying unloved old Porsches and driving them hard". I have got a 944 Turbo, it's like a MX5 on steroids. I love it every time I drive and I don't worry about depreciation.
The sweet spot for enthusiast car ownership is under 400hp, under 1500 kilos and hydraulic steering. Usually that's a 90s / 2000s car.
Everything else is modern consumerism and full of shit we don't need.
Under 1500 kilos is definitely the requirement for a fun car!
But Drohung sich an old Porsche could make you unbelievable poor if there is any repairmen
200hp or less, under 3000lbs is plenty.
Lets say 300-350hp in a 1300-1400kg car is a rly fun car for daily driving. Also depends what CC and if turbo or NA but lets say 2000cc+ and no huge turbolag.
I got 4 cars, which one of them is a Alfa Romeo 4c. Its the perfect car.
Low taxes, low weight, low maintenance costs, low fuel consumption, high fun, no depreciation (more the opposite) and a lot of joy and fun.
The other one is a Jaguar XKR convertible from 2008. Bought it this year. Also wont depreciate any more, beautiful v8 analogue driving experience, tax advantage in my country because of the Youngtimer status, etc.
I also have a car that is opposite: an Alfa Romeo Stelvio Q. That car just costs a shitload of money. But to be honest, I can pay it. The amount of fun it gives, despite being pratical and bringing me everywhere is incredible. I just could not buy the 4 cylinder, despite how much cheaper it is to run. I just NEED the 6 cylinder. The sound and feeling is unparalleled. But yes, you should have the budget, otherwise you will get a lot of headache.
My 4th car is a hybrid Fiat. Thats the "cheap" town car. That car shaves me a lot of costs of the other cars, especially on the short trips. Is also the car you care about the less... just park it anywhere, etc.
The combination of this cars is absolutely a joy.
Got my dream car, two months ago, thought life would be different, but it’s still the same
I feel this i just bought my dream car and i want to sell it already and just put the money back in the bank and i said would do this mod and that mod to it and to be honest man I dont even want to mod it i want to keep it stock now
What did you think liked would be like?
Did you buy it because you like driving or because it would make you look good?
Not dissing. Just curious.
I bought a “dream car” (civic type R) and I can’t get enough of it. I know if I had bought it for social purposes I would be disappointed because in the end nobody cares what you drive, especially women.
@ I always wanted this car and to be honest I bought it because thought i would look rich in it (ik it sounds silly) and also was my dream car for the last couple of years (Bmw M5 com), I guess things don’t always turn around how you expect them to
@ it’s silly but I understand it and I can relate. Reality doesn’t set in until after you get the car and realize that a) most people don’t care and b) looking rich only only seems create resentment with friends and a family who are less fortunate.
My best memories with the car community were from back when we all had 10+ year old cars and helped each other keep them running lol
Now most of my friends got married and had kids and can no longer afford to own a sports car so I’m sort of alone in my enjoyment.
I love my car and I love cars my friends that did this together with me back with B series was the jam and the K was on the way man those were the days. I retired early due to having kids my friends still drove hard for years. Fast forward 10 years later I got a TTRS MK3 on E and all my friends now drive vans and trucks when we hang out 😐!! I totally didn’t see that coming now it’s just me but honestly it was always just me and it’s something I love. I know it cost money but you only live once and I’m a cloud engineer my kids get all my time and money my car is the only thing I have that’s me everything else is family. So for that by itself I’ll enjoy it until I don’t and once it’s gone that’s it on to the RV game or something else. Have fun folks you never know when things will change so do you and buy things practically as best you can but every now and then you will purchase something crazy just have a plan.
Over here in Nigeria, we have no speed limits. Go as fast as you want but don't die or get arrested in the process. That's simple.
someone saying an m2 is too big massively highlights one of the issues of suvs and big cars becoming the new ford focus. if a m2 is too big, they are way too big, yet they are just becoming more and more common
m2 becomes big because uses m3/4 chassis .... I like the old one more actually.
@@veselingramatikov I like the old one but own a f22 220d and just don’t feel like it’d be enough of a change for me in the future to get a f87
The M2 is not a big car.
@@rich7447 it’s not a big car, but it is a wide car. And SUV’s are also wide cars
@@sammilburn445 BMW specs the M2 at 74.3 inches wide which is the same as my wife's Lexus GX460 mid-size SUV. That may be considered wide in the UK, but it is on the narrower end of normal here in North America. My daily driver is 22 inches wider than the BMW m2.
"The items that you own end up owning you." - I completely agree with everything you said and I have already experienced it. I just want to add a few words as I feel like you didn't stress this enough - the worries that you have after you purchase the car might overwhelm you. You have to think about robbers, about your personal safety, about hateful people who might damage your car simply because, about little or bigger accidents (i.e. where and how to park the car), and therefore - about additional insurance, additional expenses. At one point you are living your life well and might have little to no worries, and next moment you spend 70K and now you have to stress about so many things that you didn't really have to before. Your time and your psychological balance (and calmness) is much more valuable than any car. I am not the type of person who says "reinvest anything". actually I believe we need to live as much as we can while young, but there is always a balance and I am sure that there are so many cheaper cars that will be even more fun while they do not make you nervous every time you open the garage door or go for a little drive.
(BTW, I have been looking at Miatas for quite some time now, while also not excluding the option for an M140 to modify, or a second hand previous gen M2 Comp, and you really helped me clear my head with your video.)
Great video, keep up the good work! This is the first piece of content that I see from this channel and I am really impressed.
If it costs you your peace it costs too much
This*
Even your needs have needs.
The solution is to have just a decently nippy (but not special) car, and use the money you were using for upkeep before on paying for track time. I'm an incredibly safe, conscientious, and pretty slow driver on public roads, and enjoy thrashing a Golf GTI around a track on the occasional track day. It's amazing.
It’s so freeing
GTI is perfect for the roads. Much faster than everyday cars but not too fast where it kills enjoyment on public roads
i was looking for someone to mention the golf gti
2.0L Giulia 👌
which gen GTI?
I'm glad someone hit on this topic. This is something that only true car enthusiasts understand.
Nowadays, especially thanks to social media, where cars are mostly presented as an indicator of financial and social status. Where power is the most important thing. But let's face it, most people out there are NOT good drivers. These modern cars with all this technology and assistants basically drive themselves, which gives these people the false illusion that they are good drivers. This is also why there are so many videos of accidents in luxury cars, because these people do not understand the basic principles of how to behave in such powerful cars.
I have also noticed that more and more people who can actually drive and who have tried many luxury cars are getting bored with them and are enjoying much simpler, cheaper cars that you have to actually drive to get any performance out of them. . A great example was Jeremy Clarkson and his then-joy with the Toyota GT86. A car that many people spat on for having no power, but it was never about power, and a guy like J.C. - a man who has driven basically everything with 4 wheels in a decade - had the best times with it.
From the start to 08:00 the thought going through my mind was….’this bloke needs to get an MX5’
I have a g87 and this thought has been going through my head for months 😅
Absolutely. I have an S3 (obvs not an M2) and I'd still rather be crawling under my old MX-5 getting coated in transmission fluid and swearing.
MX5 is a fun car to drive even with only the 150hp engine MX5 I did test drive. But sadly it is not good for a daily driver with its no room for baggage. I plan on baying a older Porsche Cayman myself.
@@a64738 yeah you nailed it. I had a mk1 V Spec for 14 yrs, did all the work myself, had tons of fun, but i cant do the family shop in it. Now own a 330D which is a phenomenal car but it doesnt have the same fun factor for sure.
You can 100% do a family shop in a NA MX5.
Just make sure not to bring a passenger @@khimaros😅
You don't buy an M car an thing about "how it holds its value", you buy it to have it for as long as the "life of the car" and have fond memories driving it. A car is not an investment. You don't see your shoes as investment, no ? :) Solid video and you describe everything so nicely and thoughtful!
sneakerheads do 🤣
I agree, but I have mine as a summercar, it makes it that much more special to drive it.. I have never had "special" cars as a daily, its just becomes a daily 😅
I spent my adult life always wanting a faster, more capable car than whatever I had. I'd be happy with something for a year or two, and get beaten a few times at a stoplight race or through some corners, and move up to something faster. I ended up with a tuned 400hp AWD Golf that was so stupidly quick and loud that it was completely unenjoyable on the street. I was always scanning my surroundings for police and having to brake hard after 3 seconds of full throttle. Sure, knowing I could beat anyone off the line was fun for a bit, but then along comes a Tesla or two to put me in my place. There's always someone quicker than you. I've now replaced the golf with an old Mini Cooper S with a nice lowered suspension and a burbly exhaust and wooshy intake and it is an absolute riot to drive at any speed. I feel like I'm in a rally just driving to get groceries. Steering is excellent, it corners like a go-kart, and it makes lots of fun noises. And it's plenty fast now that I no longer care about getting beaten at stoplights. It's a cliche because it's true - it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. For me, it was a matter of putting ego aside and not needing to be "king of the road" and I'm much happier now!
I always used to hate mini’s because they weren’t fast, until I realised speed isn’t the be all and end all. Minis being exactly that, mini, is actually so sick, the practicality is awesome. And they’re not even exactly slow cars.
" I was always scanning my surroundings for police and having to brake hard after 3 seconds of full throttle." Yep. What a dream foot flat in second then into third coming off when in fourth. I don't think I can do that let alone third then fourth foot flat for both. Of course if no one were looking. Mk4 Focus ST M330. People don't realise in the main its seconds of fun and then just slow or cruising at tickover and a bit.
This is just perfect, the way you state everything that noone talks about - its always the response ”well then you cant afford it if you struggle with this or that”.
Thank you for your honesty, it is refershing to see and hear these thoughts, despite having the dream car that many desires.
Being authentic is the real deal, doesnt matter if its about humans, cars or anything in between.
Less indeed more in certain situations.
Thank you!
You put into words something I noticed myself many years ago. I used to drive my slow cars fast(and loved it), and now I drive my fast car slow. I thought it was a maturity/age thing, but you’re absolutely right about how my fast car doesn’t allow me to reach its maximum output without breaking laws or endangering myself or others around me.
Track
it's partly an age/maturity thing
Manufacturers figured this out long ago, there's not much you can do over 300hp on the road.
I have an F87 M2, its the fastest car I've ever had. Its about 80bhp less than the one in this video but I just feel you can't put your foot down and enjoy it. 0-60 in 4.3 seconds is pretty quick; its a few seconds then your straight into license losing territory. So any blasts in it are reserved for country roads quite far from me.
Still absolutely love the car. But - and people might laugh at this: I had more fun red lining my previous 2 cars. 200bhp Civic Type R and Corsa VXR. You could experience and enjoy the slower acceleration more without going 0-80 in the blink of an eye.
@@bc1sjw true, I don't have an M2 but I own a MK3 facelift focus ST tuned to 330hp and I thought this would be my dream but damn it's really hitting me hard. It's not only the gas mileage but the stress for the huge tires, engine maintenance due to performance upgrades and stress of the public and my security.
I never felt this way when driving my 2006 VW golf/rabbit. It was an absolute dream. I would beat on that car on my drive to work and wouldn't even notice a difference in mpg. The monthly fuel spend in my old car is what I spend in 2 weeks in my fast car. And that's not even driving it everyday because I'm thinking about the fuel or tires or road conditions. The truth is owning a fast car is an absolute nightmare. People should know the truth.
I daily drive ND2 mx5 and i cannot simply get bored of this car, even a boring commute can turn into a ride with a smile. Weight is where the fun at. 0-100ing heavy german couch in a straight line will get boring at some point. The mazda is also pretty cheap to maintain and refuel
I've owned many fast cars, but my ND2 is hard to beat for pure fun factor in the real world. It's a keeper!
Same I have an ND2. Also people need to realise these new MX5 are not slow. Hagerty did some drag race against s2 audi.and BMW 500E W124 and ND2 was ahead of them almost the whole 1/4 miles.
I daily a MX5 rf nd2 as well. His points still stand. I love the car and i love driving it, 20000 km this year, but is still financially much more expensive than a common used car. In my opinion is money well spent but it is still a lot
lovely car for sure
@Ermy1996 A new nd2 was about half the price of an m2. It's nowhere near like buying and maintaining a car that costs twice as much with more than twice as much power.
I have an nd3 but aside from being 2 seater convertibles, these cars are pretty practical and fairly cheap.
This was a eye opener, I have a corolla at 18, and i think I will stick with it for as long as possible. Thanks Mick
you should!
Less stress owning a decent old runner versus owning a dream car
100% just enjoy it
@@Poodz_ how? why?
Park anywhere,go anywhere@@RenfromBespin
It’s the first time I’m subscribing to someone after watching just one single video.
09:17 “as promised” bro you didnt go sidways at all😂
Man, your wisdom is really strong. Not many people, only ones who really enjoy and understand driving will understand what you said in this video. Love and respect from Russia
Thank you kindly!
It's a bell curve. over time. In 20 years he'll feel the opposite. Both you guys are probably in your 30s. At 50 you will go back to enjoying fast cars.
@@Tj-mb7ch I understand what you are saying, but I’m 19 and a week ago I totally crashed BMW X5M 😂
UK problems. Narrow streets and lanes, low speed limits and high insurance costs. This thing is meant to be driven on German Autobahns without speed limit and German country roads, which are wider.
Having lived in Germany for 6 years and driven the autobahn a lot, especially for work who pay the petrol, I know what speeds I do when I pay and when work pays. 200+kph will drain the tank pretty quickly. Like he said, if you are worried about that cost then this car is not for you.
@redsaints Then you need a fast Diesel. 230 kph is only 13 litres on 100 km with mine. Going as fast as possible still averages around 7-9 litres for me, because of slower cars and recurring speed limits. I usually drive an average speed of 160 and get 7 litres on 100 km. Going fast can be pretty reasonable.
Which diesel do you run@@giorgiom.3833
You must live in London then. Plenty of quality roads away from Peugeot Muppets
Brought my german spec gti performace to the uk twice. Naaaaaa 3rd world roads now. Can't get up to speed don't enjoy it and the best yet bent one alloy and cracked a spring.....but its waaay cheaper to tax and insure than anything in the uk
1998 Integra Type R, amazing to drive, reliable, cheap to run and won't decrease in value. Also perfect for UK roads as 200bhp in a car weighing just over a ton is more than enough.
So I sold my modified NC MX5 and bought a F87 M2 Competition in 2020. Traded it in two years later. All of your criticisms are valid - the expense was nuts, I could barely use the power on normal roads, I was always worried that I'd scratch it or damage it in some way... the pre-planning was a real issue for me as well with mileage. Oh yeah, and the F87 had a awkwardly high seating position that I never got used to. I absolutely miss my MX5 lol
Good points. Although depreciation and mileage never stop me from driving my car daily. It's just a car and I don't care about resale. Making this purchase means it's for me to enjoy, I don't care about owner #2 haha.
You're really right about the numbness to the speeds and how it's not as fun after a while. That's when you but a nice exhaust 😬
Agreed. If you can't enjoy a nice (expensive) car daily without worrying about mileage, maintenance, potential repairs & depreciation then it's not the car for you.
Agreed 100% and learned this the hard way
You were too young for the car. I think a young person in an M car means either a spoilt kid or if then an older person gets it - it’s sad because of a younger person has it then the older person hasn’t really achieved much of a dopey kid can buy a new one.
@@MickDrivesCars Yeah i never understood why people get rid of their cars so quick. Like in the weird middle ground like 50k miles. Theyre the first owners yet they have no intention of keeping it till it dies or becomes too much of a lemon. I plan on keeping my car stock and mint condition for as long as possible like those rare one owner corollas that are pristine even with high mileage.
This is 1000% my mindset. We never think about depreciation on other large non-asset purchases we buy, why is it a consideration with cars? You pay for what you WANT. Not what will make you money. Though I've had my 2024 M4 Comp for about a year now and I've yet to experience speed numbness, it's still just as fun as it was when it was delivered. I'm sure I'll eventually hit that wall, but doesn't look like it will be anytime soon.
Also the fact that if you're driving around a city like london, there's speed restrictions everywhere, and if you put your foot down you immediately end up either in traffic or at a red light, just kinda hard to enjoy lol. This was a really well done video bro! Keep it up!
Agreed if you are in London or even the suburbs it’s a waste of time and money. If I wanted to have a decent drive it would take me 10-15 mins just to get there… and you’d hit traffic on the way back.
Mx5 is one of the best engaging and communicative cars I’ve owned. the gearchange is rifle bolt like. So enjoyable to drive. the Japanese slogan for the mx5 is “Jinba Ittai” which translates as horse and rider as one. And it is exactly that. In Porsche it’s numb you have no idea on feedback from the road. There’s a reason why mx5 drivers smile when driving.
Everyday i get off work when I leave the parking lot I launch it a bit and all the stress from work that day just melts away. To each his own.
that is worth 1-2K/month??
Is that not putting accelerated wear on the car because it hasn't had the chance to warm up yet?
@@senoow4215 uhh i have a 2020, i'm paid off, no lease (rental) for me.
@@hideopalescent I'm in Hawaii, 1min30sec then the jb4 activates, is all i need.
I recently had a 1M for years, loved the looks & performance, but i generally believe you can have more fun in a 200bhp car, where you actually to get to see the revs rise in each gear, rather than foot down & run out of road before you actually have fun.
I got one of my dream cars last year after saving for a while. Full exhaust, got tuned, the whole package. I swear like a month after having everything that I wanted for years, I was over it. The gas was a lot and I had to use premium. My insurance was high. And maintenance wasn’t cheap. I wasn’t pressed for money but it did make me put everything into perspective. It’s just a car. Fast forward 3 months, the exhaust caught fire while driving and totaled the car. I was sad at first but now that I look back, it was a blessing in disguise. Save your money fellas.. and ladies. I now drive a 2002 Honda accord and couldn’t be happier. Great video bro and a lot of wisdom here
Which car was it?
Makes me feel better about being frugal and having a cheap car. Thanks
Honest video.
I lusted after an rs6 for years, finally got one stage 2 720bhp.
Scared to race anything similar because how fast are we actually gonna be going, gonna be scary speeds in no time.
Money pit and I drive it like a granny 😊
Grats on the beautiful car. Continue driving it like a granny - as long as you're happy that's all that matters. I'm the same with my 240i - when I got it it was a kick but now I really have respect for it and if anything drive slower than I did with my previous 320d.
Take it to the track, man. Learn your limits (they'll come way before the car's, it's very capable, lmao). That doesn't mean go all out time attack and try to set a new overall best lap for that particular circuit, but push your car slightly beyond what you'd do on a public road.
As you get more acclimated to the track, its nuances and the feeling of the car itself, you push it 1% further. You've got a stunning car with great work done to it, please enjoy it. I'm dreaming of owning one.
@@michaelkelly3158 I respect what you're trying to say, but babying such a powerful car _could_ lead to less reliability.
The car _should_ redline every now and then, go beyond the speed limit (on a track, safely), reach high temps and cool down, etc. The engine needs to do what it was made for in order to run optimally.
The big bills keep coming and you get nervous of breaking something all the time 😂.
That said she is running as sweet as she ever has been, just had new plugs and APR coils, DRC has been serviced and recharged - so she’s overdue a spirited drive for sure 👌.
@@crazyman1979 I can imagine, lmao. Sounds awesome, enjoy it.
You finally hit petrolhead maturity. BMW's latest obsession with straight line speed killed my love for the brand. They're now no different from Audis. Which are fast, but have no soul. The best fun I had in a BMW was an E30 325i. I was just smiling and happy. Didn't buy it, because it was so crapped out.
The worst fun I had in a BMW was in a 2010 turbo charged X5 shortly after. I remember just worrying how big the car was. I constantly found myself worried I may rear-end cars in traffic. The speed was exhilarating on country roads. And the 400nm was a real kick. But I didn't have as much fun as in the E30. At least it had a hydraulic steering wheel.
Best car, most enjoyable car, I've ragged on a road, in my over 50 years of driving. Was a little blue Fiat X1/9 5spd.....it had next to no power.....but it never felt lacking in power....and no, there has never been a newer high performance road car that has put as big a smile on my face, than that little X1/9. WITHIN road speed limits.
@@Mexxx65 Exactly, it's much more enjoyable to push a slow-ish car to the limits than drive a fast car at 1/10th of its capability because of speed limits.
Why are you comparing a suv to a sedan?
BMW's latest obsession with its indescribable design is what really killed my love for the brand.
As a Volkswagen Audi Group with emphasis on Audi guy I feel this in my soul. The golden era for Audi was 1980-mid 2000's in my opinion. Are they great cars? Absolutely not. But the UrS cars/ early RS badged cars were special and they felt that way. I'll always have my UrS6. To me it is quintessential Audi with a longitudinal 5 cylinder turbo hanging way in the front with traditional quattro and a manual transmission. Present Audi is entirely a disappointment with uninspired outdated interiors and matching driving experiences. Sure they may go quickly from 0-60 but so does a model 3 performance from half the price if that's all anyone cares about.
For me hot hatches are the most fun! Light and zippy, good power to weight ratios!
Yeah and usually not too bad to live with, Peugeot 207 GTI is the best car I ever had. 7 seconds 0 to 60, practical enough to live with, decent fuel economy and just a riot to take down a b road
I love hot hatches but I hate FWD if they were RWD they would be the gift that motoring needed
@@George-nv1ri Truth, even after going to 2nd gear my gtis are too quick for the city speed limits. (200hp for mk5 & 220 for mk7, but the torque is unreal in the mk7) Perhaps in a rural/mountainous area you'd be easier to get away with it, lots of long straights in the country. Had a toyota celica with 140hp & it was always fun banging out gears, even better on fuel without a turbo. Unfortunately the 2001 gt had issues with piston rings so it would eat too much damn oil. Was my 1st manual. rip
You talking it!
I love hot hatches since i drove an Opel Corsa D OPC. The Corsa made it clear to me that 200 hp is perfect-not too much, not too little. A small car is way better for me than a big car. You can park everywhere and you have lower costs for repairs, fuel and maintenance. However, the Corsa also made it clear to me that you have to pay attention to the reliability of cars in general. This car broke down at 180,000 km... For me personally, that is unacceptable. The guy who bought the rest of the car told me that’s normal for a Corsa OPC.
I also looked for a cheap, reliable car that is turbocharged. The story ended with my little Japanese Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart (150 hp). I bought it for €5,000, but you can find the pre-facelift model in Germany for around €3,500. I also purchased an Airtec intercooler for €600, an oil/water temperature display for €100, and a software optimization to achieve 200 reliable hp for €300.
It’s an absolutely fun sleeper car for €6,000 (pre facelift €4500) that can easily reach 300,000 km. Maybe it’s not the nicest, but if you put some love and a bit more money into it, you can have a fully customized car for yourself.
I got the mk4 Focus ST with a mountune map. Superb car wouldn't change it, but unless on a deserted open road the fun comes from acceleration for a few seconds only and that's all you can do. Also the Focus is a wide car for the lanes. She is on the box 330PS and 515NM.
I genuinely love slow driving in my 150hp civic, it’s so fun and I just can’t find myself enjoying an expensive fast car as it will probably get old like a regular car with 5x the cost. Everytime I see or get into my car it just makes me smile and that’s something I can’t find from a super car personally
I used to detail for a retired Silicon Valley millionaire who tracked his cars often, and he told me this. “It's better to drive a slow car fast than drive a fast car slow. It stuck with me to this day. Most cars are ridiculous to drive on the road, and the manufacturers know this, which is why they limit the production of these vehicles. There's no reason a person who doesn't even go to the track should drive around with 600-plus horsepower under their hoods. It just breeds an environment for chaos.
i agree, its just that these performance cars LOOK so good lol, i wish more companies had modest priced good looking alternatives similar to the subaru brz or toyota 86 (but with 50-75 more hp)
Light 300hp is still the best combo for a sportscar on the road.
I work at a german car dealership in the U.S. and its taught me nothing other than to never buy or even drive my dream car. I hop in this absolutely insane AMGs with the 4.0 TT and im brutally dissatisfied to be honest. Put them in race mode and everything, and theyre such good cars that theyre simply underwhelming. I've come to realize that if you want an incredible, life changing experience with a car, buy an older one. early 2000's or older. Obviously there's exceptions with specific drivers cars, but those are expensive!! I went from dreaming about mclarens, 204 c63s, and m3/4s to wanting a c6/c7 corvette, or an fd rx7. they make the most sense in terms of financial balance, and having plenty of car. reality of it is, when you are driving these insane new cars, youre just another input, and the car is doing so much of the driving that you dont even recognize.
I have C7 Z06 since 2020, to enjoy the car on public road you need to get a stupid high speed, tough it looks, sounds and ride nice. I am also considering going to mx5, because this the only one that will keep me out of trouble and with license.
Rx7 and financial balance don't belong in the same sentence.... lol
@@Whiterqbbit came here to write the same, hahahaha
Can confirm. Owned a AMG GT63 S from 2019 for 2 years and it was fun, no doubt. But the car literally does it all for you. Going 250 on the Autobahn with your pinky only? No problem. And that's a problem.
Sports cars and financial balance don't belong in the same sentence. Regardless if it's American, Japanese, or European. Cars like the C7, RX7, Zs, C63s will run your pockets when something breaks. That's just the nature of any performance oriented vehicle.
You hit the nail on the head. What’s worse is when you continue chasing the need for speed. This led me from a 300zx TT all the way up to a 1400hp GTR with several others along the way. The GTR was an absolute rocket ship and guess what, I NEVER wanted to drive it. It was loud, clunky, I was always terrified something was going to break, not to mention you literally couldn’t put the pedal to the floor on the road. It would do 60-130 in 3.7 seconds so literally in just seconds you are more than double the speed limit. I’ve since sold it and haven’t replaced it with anything. I seem to find more enjoyment driving around in my truck with the family on Sunday drives.
What an eye opener
Out of all the many cars I've had my 1998 BMW Z3 2.8L 193hp is by far the most fun. It drives fantastic, has enough power to move, slide, etc., but not so much that I can't push it without going insane speeds, and with the roof down I can enjoy just going for a cruise. I can't recommend it enough.
I have to say I agree with a lot of this. The car I look back on, that always made me smile, was my old Mk2 Focus ST. You could have as much fun as you liked thrashing it through the gears. It was quick but not hyper-hatch quick. My Motech edition M140i runs 436hp, a bucket of torque, and absolutely flies. The problem is that after a few seconds acceleration you are way north of the speed limit and have to back off again. The fun to be had is in enjoying the range of the car, not having one quick blip and being in license-losing territory. I reckon a nicely kept noughties or even nineties hot hatch, £5k tops to pick up, would be more smiles per mile than any of the current crop.
I’m 43 I’ve had new cars every 3 to 6 years depending on circumstances and car itself since my early 20’s, however I’ve learned anything material only makes you happy for a curtain amount of time. You get it and all is good for a year or so, after that your still searching for “that next thing” I now refuse to spend more than 35k on a car, if that means I’ll no longer be able to get in to new cars next time I’m
In the market for a new car then so be it, I’m not prepared to keep raising my budget chasing that never ending “want” all cars are a depreciating asset and a financial risk and won’t make you happy, not really. Well only for a curtain amount of time. I’m a massive petrol head, have been all my life. I just won’t get involved in that never ending cycle of PCP and kicking a load of credit down the road for 3 to 5 years for a car I’ll never own.
Smart man. Lifestyle creep is real when your money starts growing.
Don't agree. My car is 21 years old and I am still enjoying it a lot almost every time I ride it. It's not the enjoyment of having the newest, most impressive car for others to be envious of, but the enjoyment of having a powerful convertible that serves flawlessly the good old way.
What is yours that you OWN then? Nothing hé? You borrow everthing remeber that brother
great video! Being a car enthusiast myself, my holy grail of car ownership has always been the rs6 avant. I finally mustered up the courage to buy a slightly used one a few months ago. It's a beautiful machine from all the angles, i always catch myself staring at it when i'm walking away from it. The car is insanely fast and the v8 makes some intoxicating sounds. With that being said, my insurance premium has doubled and i try not to cry every time i look down at the petrol gauge. The difference between an m2 and a car like an RS6 is that when i'm not in the mood to drive it like a maniac, it becomes a very comfortable, serene, spacious and practical form of transportation that i enjoy driving slowly as much i enjoy driving fast. This dual character of the RS6 is really the main reason that keeps me holding on to this car that much longer, but i could see how a very specific purpose built car like the M2 can lose its lustre if you're not using it in the right environment for the right reasons.
RS6 are unreal! Don’t see too many of them in the states. When I do see them I can’t look away. Congrats on your ride.
It goes back to the old but true statement of its always more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. Loved the video man. Loved the honesty.
You’ve touched a topic no petrol head is talking about.
@@Ali01007 exactly ! RUclipsrs has fooled us into thinking fast cars is what we need
Driving enthusiasts have known this for years, the people just into cars for status and clout are just discovering this
Because its not something to moan about. Its a fact of life. Money pits. But you can enjoy life or moan about it
@@ChuckYuuuyea exactly a lot of the comments on this video people seem to have had some revelation of some kind. Like OP said something groundbreaking. Seems that many aren’t confident within themselves or where they are at in life. I only clicked on the video because I thought it was going to be funny and not some coaching moment.
You must be new to cars. 99% of car reviewers have been saying slow car fast > fast car slow for about 25 years at this point... The only people who disagree are drag/street racers and people who buy sports cars for the status not bc they like to drive
Mick, just felt as though I have met a soulmate!! Thank you. Everyone needs to hear your message ahead of their future dreamed-for big purchase, just so they understand what is going to happen to them. They will come to the same conclusions. Hopefully they will have had some fun at the start and stayed alive to tell the tale.
I'm in my 50s and have loved loved loved cars since forever. XR2, Clio Williams, 2nd hand Alpina B9, then crap cars for ferrying children and meeting the mortgage payments. Finally four years ago I was in the position to get a 2nd hand 997 gen 1 gt3. Amazing car. Took it to the nurburgring and had it for four years, including to the Nurburgirng (which I VERY much recommmend) and did 10 as-fast-as-i-could laps. The problem is that you come home, everywhere is 20 mph (not that I'd race in town anyway), and after the novelty of getting into it has worn off, exactly as you say - the enjoyment per £pound wears thin. It's fine if you're loaded - you can take it to the track numerous times or go abroad and hit the European passes. But if its an absolute dream purchase and a real stretch then watch out. There is nowhere you can really explore its performance except for fleetingly! In the end the heartaches of it getting scuffed by dpd delivery drivers/ the outrageous sums Official Porsche Centres want to charge you, the trackers, the insurance, the tyres I just had to get rid of it. I wanted to be able to "drive" it, and you just can't. Anyone whose got one really just ends up posing/pootling/enjoying the car at normal speeds. It just wasnt worth the cost - I wasn't getting enough out of it. I might as well have been driving something much more ordinary. So i got rid of it. Everyone thought i was mad - but I was the only one who understood my predicament. Taking it out for the odd thrash down the motorway - dont ask! - was just going to mean I eventually wasnt going to be allowed to drive at all!! So completely agree with you - it just took me 30 years longer to come to the same answer.
I'll let you into a secret though. Go and test drive a second-hand Lotus Elise! That's what I got to replace it. Even more fun. You sit 6 inches off the ground - feel as though you're doing twice the speed you are, reliable toyota supercharged engine. Skinny tyres, AMAZING handling, much cheaper to run, insure, you can even take the roof off! Honestly, I have found motoring nirvana!! 2025 I'm heading back to the Nurburgring in it! and my son will bring his car..... a bmw!
All the best, Seb (just subscribed)
(Honestly guys and girls, not putting you off your dream and I enjoyed mine, but eventually ... the penny drops! In the meantime - keep safe, and everyone else around you safe while you're doing it.
You might enjoy my POV drive in a friend's Elise - it didn't get many views but I thought it was a great video!
Agree 100% with everything you've said and really appreciate everyone that's been leaving these comments and letting me know I'm not alone!
Ammended title: Fast Cars You Can't Afford to Comfortably Own Won't Make You Happy
My thoughts exactly but couldn’t work out how to word it 😂
With I could speak English that good to express myself! Exactly my thought
Thats not really what the video was about tho.
YES!!
watch the second part too, it's more about how more enjoyable it is to go on slower and smaller cars with higher revs and forcing their grip limits.
Bought a new 2014 BRZ and the last 10 years have been a bloody glorious experience. Keeping it for life as the best sports car ever made. It has zero sound deadening, weighs in under 1200kg and always feels like its going 15kph faster than it actually is. Few things are more cathartic than hitting the 7400 rpm redline and not breaking the suburban 50kph speed limit. After a string of RWD V8's I honestly enjoy the BRZ more than any of them. Also costs peanuts to fuel, insure and maintain in general.
I traded a mustang for a Honda Civic SI this week. I bought the mustang years ago impulsively because I wanted something sleek and fast. As a 24 year old bachelor it was a great car. But 5 years, 25,000 miles and a brand new city later, my priorities shifted. I wasn't looking for validation from random people on the street saying "That's a nice mustang". In fact this car tested my patience some. The clutch was stiff and a pain to drive in stop go traffic. The gearbox was meh and hated cold weather. The back seats were practically unusable for any trips longer than 30 minutes, and my passengers complained about that. Other nitpicks - meh gas mileage, poor infotainment system, rough suspension for city commuting.
I chose the civic SI because it's sporty enough to feel engaging, very practical with backseats and trunk size, good driver features and great infotainment system. Easy clutch and excellent gearbox. This is all the car I actually need. From a utilitarian perspective, anything more than this is just luxury. Hell even the features being offered in this car is a luxury by some standards.
Why do a lot of immigrants always drive this Honda Civic SI ? Im European i was also to Canada and yeah. Always saw "typical" person driving these cars.
Nice decision sir japanese are always amazing reliable, durable, practical, affordable and beautiful offcourse 😊
@@HermanWillems that's really what it's made for.
I’m at that point in my late 20’s where I’m realising that peak automotive enjoyment for me at the minute with a semi urban commute is a comfortable German saloon with a whopping big V8 in it.
Bought an S500, gave it a res delete and put a hi flow manifold on it and it’s like driving a very angry cloud.
I think my peak enjoyment is a 2-car garage
1 - the most boring car on the road (civic, golf, corolla) that you can park anywhere and nobody looks at you
2 - roadster with skinny tries and little power you can drive 10/10 without breaking the speed limit
3(?) - angry cloud? it does sound fun.
@ Yep absolutely. If you’ve got the room and financial overhead, a 2 car garage cannot be beat.
I’ve daily driven a straight piped NC MX5 and an E89 Z4, the NC was the most raw driving experience I’ve ever had due it being heavily tinkered with for the best b-road experience but my GOD was it a pig to live with.
The E89 is bit of a fence-sitter, not quite dynamic enough to be a truly great roadster but not soft and comfortable enough for a comfortable commuter.
Now that I’ve got the S500 I’m wishing I still had that NC to go alongside it !
And yeah, angry cloud is the best way I can describe it. You don’t feel a thing, nor hear a thing when you’ve got it in comfort and it’s bearly hitting 1.2k revs. But plant your foot and the 5.0L NA V8 purrs to life and you get the kick of lowdown torque to throw you down the road, still not actually feeling like the car is making contact with the road.
Too bad they don't sell the Yangwang U8 here in Canada that would be cool for my 2 car garage.
My other vehicle is 2018 911 4S manual with powerkit and ceramic brakes. Great ride even when outside is -10 F.
For truly enjoyment awd is essential though
@@MickDrivesCars I daily a Tiguan and have a NC mx5 with coilovers + exhaust for a Sunday drive and agree with your comment
super saloon lovers unite! Got a first gen Panamera GTS recently, and while I've been feeling some of the financial points of this video, it reinforces my decision to avoid the turbo-equipped cars... It's fast enough as it is, and handles absurdly well for its size, but most importantly... It's comfortable and luxurious.
And when you drive a lot, long distances, lots of commuting, the luxury matters. Good suspension, good NVH considerations, comfortable seating for long periods, and general ergonomics are all critical things that a lot of more "sensible" cars lack. And if I'm feeling spicy I can open up the sports exhaust valves, switch to sport mode, and hear that N/A V8 roar.
Sure, ridiculous speed and handling are definitely things that will seem exciting at first and then fade away, or you may not get to enjoy fully on most roads. Comfort never gets old though.
I felt EXACTLY the same last year. I always wanted a a45 and I slowly built up to it by having a focus ST, 350z, cupra’s etc all before. When I got it I loved it but I ended up feeling like I was forcing myself to love it for the same reasons you’re saying as its just to powerful, numb and grippy for the UK country roads. Imagine saying I’ve now gone from a 440bhp A45 AMG to an old BMW 130i which is 260bhp and I prefer the BM. It’s crazy actually what brings you fun compared to what you dream about owning.
200-300hp is generally the sweet spot.
I just bought a 2019 M2 Competition a few weeks ago and oh my God you summed it up perfectly. I am absolutely in love with the car, but I can't help shaking the feeling that, every time I drive it, I am losing so much money. It really is a financial pit you dig yourself. And yes, it's okay on the road but nothing like I had imagined before. It's wide, it's raw, not every drive is fun, ... Not gonna lie I felt it so much when you said you were thinking about selling your car. Owning this car fills me less with happiness and more with a mix of doubt and dread. It's not all doom and gloom of course but these are things that nobody but you talks about and it's only a thing that you experience as soon as you actually own a car like this.
Completely agree with everything you’ve said. With cars that have less hp, you can use 100% all of the time which is more enjoyable as an enthusiast. I think around 200bhp is about right.
I've never loved a video more that speaks to my decisions like this one. This was so real that I feel like maybe the M2 isn't quite for me. I love it but at the same time it costs a lot and the cost to run is high. This was real and made sense to me as a product review. Thank you.
I'm glad I could be the Guinea pig for you all :)
best video in a while about cars
Really appreciate that, thank you
I find this to be very intuitive. Simply maximizing the useable power is the key, anything over is excessive and you won’t even be able to use it on the road. It’s more fun to make a slower car work than to keep a fast car in the stables.
My last car was a GR86 that I had for little over a year, until it was written off by an elderly driver ploughing into the back of me whilst I was in stationary traffic. Once the insurance was settled, I was looking to buy another GR but could only get ones with high mileage 2nd hand and I couldn't buy new as they stopped shipping new models to the UK. So... I ended up getting a BMW Z4 M40I as I've always wanted a Z4 since being a teenanger and had the cash to put a significant despost down from the above event.
I've had the Z4 for nearly a year now and whilst I don't regret the purchase, and it is fun to drive and semi practical for a daily. I totally agree with this video and say I had more fun in my GR86 with the percieved feeling of going faster than you actually are around corners, and the feel of acceleration and response from the car etc, but still remaining within the speed limit.
The Z4 - Whilst not a true M car or sports car def has it moments in sports mode with the assists off. but I feel like I'm spending more time focusing on not killing myself or someone else than grinning and giggling like I did in my old lesser powered GR.
That's my 2 pence anyway - great video.
That's what I was feeling, my dream car was actually a GT86 until the GR86 came around. Ended up getting a GR and don't regret it a single bit. It has just enough power to be fun, the chassis is excellent and it's actually quite practical for a sports car. Yup, perfect for me. I am just not so well off with money atm so that's stressing me a bit, but I will pay it off.
Really sorry to hear about yours getting totaled, they also stopped shipping them to Spain so that's one of my fears, specially as those cars are hard to see from bigger SUVs and such. Hope you find something that fills that void in the future, life is long! If you think your z4 does not fill you enough, you will always be able to switch it to another one, those cars don't lose as much value as others.
I'm looking at a 2020-up Z4 and am tossed between the 30 and the M40i. Based on your experience, do you think the 30i would suffice for you?
@@corysimpson4499 Honestly mate, if you're going for a newer version Z4 - I'd go M40I as it is powerful enough to have some fun in it but still remain comfortable inside for daily driving, and if you're in the States you get the exhaust 'burps & pops' which enhance the experience with the roof down and in sports mode.
Whilst the 30I, I've heard people regret getting it as it's still a nice car etc, but it dosen't have the drive feel and 'power' the m40i has and they wish they just went full in for the more powerful model. I'd also argue a Miata or Toyota GR86 would be a better driving experience for fun and daily than the m30i.
Another major downside between the two is cost, as you will be paying anywhere from 15-20k more between models. And if you care, some people may scoff that you're driving the cheaper Z4 etc as people can be snobs..
But at the end of the day, both cars are decent and fun to drive. So if you can afford it and 100% want a Z4 over an M model or porsche get the m40i. But if price is a factor and want to get the 30i - go for it dude. As like this video says, go on your gut feeling and you shouldn't be disappointed on your purchase.
I feel like if your buying a dream car you shouldnt be worried abiut the value because if it really was your dream car you wouldnt be thinking about resale value, you might worry milage just because of maintenance stuff but in all reality its not a dream car if your worried about the gas milage and how much value its loosing because thats the mindset of someone who is planing on replacing the car not someone who bought that car because it was exactly what they wanted
I just recently bought a 2ss camaro and i love it but i bought it knowing its just a stepping stone for the car i think about everyday so thats the only reason im worried about the value but once i have the car i think about daily the only thing that is gonna keep me from enjoying it is the law not the milage or the value
The point is that you're not meant to be able to buy your dream car, or your dream anything. They never live up to expectation and once you have it you see all the things that make it suck.
I can afford my dream car, I can afford to run it, maintain it, everything.
_What I can't afford is to park it where I live._
That doesn't mean it's not my dream car, it just means modern Britain sucks.
@fredmercury1314 ive never heard anything so ridiculous. Dreams are meant to be achieved and if you think that they aren't meant to be achieved then they arent dreams they are wishes. Dreams are things you work towards and make happen regardless you dont make silly excuses to make your self feel better about not achieving them just yet. Wishes are things you hope for but dont push for they are things you want to be givin to you without working towards them
@fredmercury1314 and you missed the point he was saying how a fast dream car wont make you happy and thats just not true you are talking about not being able to afford to own one two completely different things
@@r6chronicle676 yep. The only reason he feels this way besides the ease of illegal speeds is he’s not financially ready for that car
I just turned 18 and have an Audi A4 B6. It isn't high hp, but has a lot of torque and takes corners fun at 60. I'm honestly so happy with it.
Thanks for your honesty!! My father and I once rented an M4. We had a lot of fun with it. After a few hours though we thought „We don‘t need this.“. The better acceleration doesn‘t justify the price at all and 90% of the time you are stuck in traffic anyways. Get a Miata or Mini Cooper instead!
Yeah but you had the sense to realise this before you bought it.
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well I thought so but I think imma stick to my beater for some time after watching this video 😀
Often, not always because tall dude can’t fit in one comfortably - like me, unfortunately. The g87 is perfect.
You beat me to it, I was about to say, “ get an MX5 “.
Or a GR 86
Or gr Yaris
Hey, I got an MX5 ND (2015) about 5 months ago. I can 100% confirm this is the most fun i've had on a car, even compared to 300+ HP cars. In the MX5 you can 90% of the times go full throttle without being in constant danger. The car weights about 1000 kg and is relatively cheap to run. I can get 9L/100km if I floor it and run at 7k rpms all the time, but I can also get 5,5L/100 km when comuting to my work smoothly at about 2-3k rpms.
If you plan to daily drive, i highly recommend getting the last gen (ND) as you also get very useful more updated everyday features. I do have to point out tho, the MX5 at slower speeds also lacks a bit of communication on the steering. I still have to confirm if its not a problem with my particular aligment (as these require a relatively high caster) but I've also heard more reports that it indeed lacks a bit of feel so it could be normal.
Still, for street roads, I honestly feel its the best choice out there. HIGH FUN without a very high cost.
Good comment man, the lack of steering feel could be solved by remapping the EPS module
I bought one 2 months ago, which was a 60 hp downsize from my previous Honda Accord. But boy, I'm having too much fun compared to before. The MX5 ND is super responsive with the NA engine, and rides smoothly with its lightweight chassis. I just love everything about it. I can just push it around the corners and it sticks, I can relax and just commute in the rain and again no problem.
At this point I don't know how am I going to ride another car after this at this price range.
ND is actually completely out of the running because steering. Even the ''improved'' ND3 is not what I'm looking for.
Current front-runner is a manual-steering NA
@@MickDrivesCars That little blue Fiat X1.9 I've mentioned here, had no power steering, didn't need it. The feedback through its diminutive steering wheel was magic.
YES! I read a thread somewhere about the best steering feel in all cars.
#1 was Lotus elise, obviously... you can go watch my pov in one.
#2 was the bloody X1.9!!! I really want to drive one.
Honestly if you can’t outright afford anything of this caliber, you should consider very carefully if the risk of owning something luxurious is worth it to you.
Nothing more heartbreaking to see a guy buys his dream car or whatever just to flex, but can’t enjoy it because of maintenance cost.
Kinda what I’m going through
The question is not only whether you can afford but whether you will feel comfortable with the decision.
This is different for everybody. I know people who could buy themselfes an M2 once per year without going under but would still feel like overspending..
@@nolleypolley7072what did you buy?
In my opinion if you can't pay it off in a year, don't buy it.
@ you mean that you should pay the credit off in a year or you should be able to earn the value in one year?
My E92 M3, an old car by today's standards, not fast by today's standards, makes me happy every time I drive it.
My “dream” car is a Mazda MX-5. The driving experience it offers within legal limits is unparalleled, and there’s no need for a more powerful car on the street. I hope one day I’ll be able to afford a good MX-5.
I've driven my parents MX-5 nd2 a hundred times and it truly is the perfect car, it feels amazing on country roads in the summer and it's so much fun sliding around corners with the RWD in the winter. I wish I had just a tiny bit more headspace though and the rear-view mirror takes up alot of my visibility.
@@Andreas-jl9nr The headroom is indeed tight, especially if you’re tall, but I think that’s part of its character.
@@realtian-7 More room in an NC...just.
unfortunately no more 2.0L engine in Europe.
How did i see the miata coming a quarter mile away lmaooo
You're not wrong, I have more fun in my Mk1 Citroen C1 1.0 than my 3.2 TT on country roads.. The sound of the VR6 is what's making me keep her.
As James May aka Captain Slow said, 'it's more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow'.
It's called short wheelbase
@mariomario2volte debatable buddy, I've had just as much fun in a 3.5t Ford Transit on the lanes... Longer wheel base, longer than the TT but more exhilarating 😎😂 'it's called opinion'
i have a twingo mk1 80 hp 800 kg lol, borbet rims
@@mattricopena Could have been also the weight but if you had more fun in a Ford Transit might be the Audi TT with his engine position the problem, buy a Z4 rather then that Audi... I heard from a man that had both... Z4 is on another planet
There's nothing that beats the sound of a VR6. And they're not even slow, if you want it to be quick, spend a few thousand on doing a turbo conversion. Truth is, people who buy fast cars, aren't enjoying the symphony of all the mechanical engineering. They're simply thinking about status and how it's "fast"
This is why I love and cherish my MX5 NB 2002.
It's a sport and has all the upgrades so the extra bracing, 6 speed gearbox, alloy wheels, heated leather seats, hard top, big brake kit, torsen LSD.
140ish HP and it weighs just over a ton.
You need no mods other than a good set of tyres to have endless fun with this machine. It's not powerful enough that you have to worry about going silly speeds when you put the foot down so you can row through the gears and smash the limiter like a sailor. Torsen LSD bites nicely and let's you kick the end out whenever you like and being an MX5 it's well balanced so you almost never get into a situation you can't control.
Steering/gearbox are fantastic little things and overall the car is very easy and cheap to maintain. Engines are bulletproof. They've sold over a million for a reason, spares and brand new parts are so easy to get hold of not to mention the millions of YT videos, articles covering every single aspect of how to repair, replace or service every component.
There are at least 3 specialists MX5 garages within 30 minutes drive from my home and I live in a fairly rural part of West Yorkshire.
If you buy one, just beware the rust and take it as a necessary part of maintenance every 5-10 years unless you can keep it dry in a heated garage. Sills, archs, front chassis legs are the biggest offenders.
"It is more fun to drive a slow car fast - than a fast car slow" Not to mention the financials\maintenance\etc hanging over your head on the fast car.
I've got a BMW E90 325i a year ago, and i think it is still in quite "perfect" ratio of being both powerful but still enjoyable. 218HP, but also it is a sedan, so there is some weight, and of course it is NA engine, so it is not so fast. M-sport suspension, and hydraulic steering, so still some of old "BMW feel" in the wheel.
Yep, doing town speed it is totally calm car, but on country roads, going 90-100km/h, with the suspension it can really feel aggressive, and actually enjoy it, without going dumb speeds, and as it is NA, it takes some time and effort to work for the power of it.
I appreciate your honesty, probably "destroying" some people's dreams about having cars like this, but it is really smart, and it is just true, it comes with a lot of drawbacks, as modern premium cars are really just street legal "track cars"... Which may not sound bad, but well, it is.
I have a BMW E82 125i so basically the same car and i completely agree with you.
E90 330i LCI sedan manual here and Ive been satisfied with it for 13 years. For next car thinking about Macan GTS maybe, everyone praising it as a daily driver and in a snowy cold country it might work well. Its also not a big car which is nice.
Speaking from experience too, having a nice expensive sporty car in high school and college, especially, people will damage it out of pure jealousy
I've had some pretty O.K. cars over the years: 911T, 911E, 996 3.4, Boxster, a few turbo Subaru's and so on.
Even so, all these years later one of my motoring highlights is still a £175 Puegeot 106 1.5 diesel.
It was SO well judged: pedals just right for heel and toe, no power steering so fantastic steering feel. Driving was all about smoothness and momentum.
Zero stress, max fun.
And don’t forget the sound of that 1.5 diesel as you rev it out, far better than any 911……😂
@@senseofthecommonman Exactly! Sometimes I would take it to nearly 3K revs just because I could.
Bought my dream car (Mitsubishi Evo 7), and while it did make me happy for a while priorities change over time. Now I just drive around a nice comfy lexus, and use my money on travel instead of car mods,
I had an Evo7 and now drive a Lexus!
But I still regret to this day selling it.
wanted to buy an M2 in India (they cost $150k here), went for a bike instead (Kawasaki ZX4R). Thing is so much more fun to drive, has no parking issues, looks dope, and was 1/10th the price of the car. So happy with the decision.
Yes bikes are the solution to this issue imo, there’s obvious pros and cons but for an impressive machine that revs above 13krpm and is super car levels of fast (or more practical speed if you get a small bore 4) for 12k or less, there’s nothing that can compete in terms of “fun machines”
Yeah, but if I take the bike, my mom’ll be like, 'Can you ride without getting drenched in the rain or what?
@notjordanxd my mom thinks imma hit a pebble and get sent flying to my death 😂
As a European person, i have been to India for work. Hope you wont die in that traffic my friend. The traffic is INSANEEEEEE. Where do you even have the space to enjoy the ride with so much traffic? NOWHERE.
@@HermanWillemsright sir no place to enjoy in India and even if u get pace u won't find good roads 😅 so buying cheap and reliable car and bikes are much better 😊
Absolutely right on the speed comments. I’ve had a lot of fast cars including an M340i and Porsches etc. They’re too fast.
For me, Impreza WRX and Evo’s were the pinnacle of car ownership- fast enough , small enough, cheap enough and not too fast.
Get a GR Yaris or Mini JCW!
Depends on which model year. mine is untouched performance wise and still has enough power to get to antisocial speeds relatively fast, and it's got enough grip to scare me. Being a modern car though, it kinda needs it to cut through all the lack of NVH and Japanese build quality.
That is like that with everything. Everyone wants to be happy but we should just be grateful.
Bro making us poor people feel good with our current cars 🙏
Everything in life is about “ experience “ the moment you taste the experience of something, youre off to the next experience.
wow £1000 a month is absolutely hysterical, glad you're telling people not to make your mistake. Alot can be done regarding wealth building that money.
Thank you for your honesty. There are a small handful of cars that are relatively cheap reliable fun to drive and relatively fast the main one being a Miata.
Hey Mick, you may never read this, but I’ve had a similar experience that may help you. I bought an f87 M2 when that was new as my first significant performance car. It wasn’t as fast as yours, but I shared your reflections about usability/feel/value and also got a lot of unwanted attention - I was eventually car jacked about a year into ownership. Since then I’ve always recommended that people with M cars, r32s, Range Rovers etc keep their house keys separate from their car keys, and never keep any personal/vehicle docs in the car. Since then the best car I’ve owned is my current Alpine a110 - few better cars for the money on a UK b-road imo, usable performance, robust used availability, and I’ve had no unwanted attention a year in. Might be a good option for you too. Mx5 is obviously a great option too - just thought I’d share in case it’s at all helpful. Best wishes for your channel going forward!
Alpine a110 was the first option i was thinking after viewing entire vidéo. Little, Amazing balance, cheapnrunning costs, downside only automatic gearbox.
I had a Few sports car 2 lotus evora, 2 Cayman 981, 997S, 992, M2 compétition, RX8. I must admit that thé less powerful werde probably the more enjoyable to drive.
Thé car that did make me forget about not driving sports car during thé winter was my Stelvio Veloce Q4, sterling, braies, feedback, cornering speed that car had it all from praticality to sportscar feeling, a kinf of solution if only one car can be purchased.
I've gone through 15+ new sporty, fast and big engine cars in the last 7 years with some being pretty pricey. I totally agree wiith this video and my enthusiasm for new, faster cars as a daily driver has gone. Even smaller classed cars have got way to big for my liking and pricing for new cars is ridiculous now. I'm now in an £8k used 'normal' car and I couldn't be happier and don't worry about kerbing the wheels, running through an overgrown bush on the side of a narrow country road and scratching the paintwork or leaving it in tight car parking spaces. I also feel less stressed when driving it without boy racers trying to race me.
I love driving and been racing gokarts for arround 10 years. I know how to drive and move a car. People laugh at me that I am driving my Renault Twingo RS for so long and having fun with it. They don´t understand my experience. "How can he have fun with a 133HP shit box??". You seem to understand my point and explained it very well. Thank you for this, maybe more people understand that you don't need 300HP+ ship to have fun AND get from A to B.
an mx-5 sounds perfect for you. My 2006 offers a great balance of fun, practicality and insane value for money. Driving the mx5 opens up the roads and makes you feel like you can place it where you like and choose your line. Will hope to see you go down that path!