You Can 3D Print ANY Warhammer 40k Model But Not A Space Marine...
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Lets set the record straight. This is a really controversial topic in the warhammer community, is it ok to 3d print space marines? what about chaos knights? or even 3d print a warhound titan. I paint a 3d printed warhound titan in this video whileI discuss.
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HI m8 sry for the Q but im thinking in buying a 3D printer and i dont know this, How can i print BIG tyranids?, they kinda bigs and i dont think the plataform can fit
And i dont know if i can print it in parts, maybe they go wrong at the end
As long as the industry doesn’t pivot 100% to 3D printing it really doesn’t matter. I want GW to keep releasing traditional plastic kits for the simple reason that I really like assembling them.
I see it being more of a hybrid thing they will always make the models
True, with resin the processing and assembly is a major pain and a potential health hazard.
@@malakimphoros2164 No
@@PraiseTheSun02 Yes, the /m/ introductory guide says so.
@@malakimphoros2164 I don't think so.
I'm waiting for GW to catch up and just start releasing official stl files to print, much like a lot of other companies in this space do. It's like watching the old Napster and mp3 wars all over again.
I feel like we will be waiting a lifetime!
@@battlebrothersam Exactly!
They will finally release right before they go out of business. It happens often.
Look at MicroSoft. NOT in the hardware business. One of the most profitable companies in the world.
A company will acknowledge the growing 3D community and create a gaming system similar to 40K, upload the rules on PDF and the models on STL. This will catch up and finally past GW
Will neeeeeverrr happen. GW knows piracy happens and unless each .STL expired or was serialized so GW knew who to sue one person buys and nobody else does. GW likes money faaaar too much for that shit.
I was also there 3,000 years ago during the great Napster Wars. Many CDs were burnt. Once the Great Old Ones gave up their ancient ways, adapting the new magic to do their will, a truce was reached... but at what cost.
(All in good fun! Absolutely agree that this feels very similar to the recording industry suing grandma's because their internet connection was used to download music. Now we don't think twice about services like Spotify, Tidal, etc.. Netflix helped find a legal way to stream TV and Movies. GW will adapt or others will step up and fill the gap. I imagine a setup where certain parties (like a FLGS) are given access to files in a controlled manner for local printing.)
Those are independent companies, not large multimillion dollar companies. If they were to release the STL files not only would they cost thousands of dollars you would have to sign a lot of legal forms as well as having files that can only be used a few times before they self destruct.
I’m one that says to print it all. I already have hundreds (not even joking. Probably closer to 1k) of official GW models. But I also have a bunch of children that don’t want the same armies that I want. And I can’t afford armies from GW for another 5-8 people. So I can print models for myself and my kids. Plus, I can print models for other games, for gifts, or even tools/parts for other projects. So if I can get multiple uses for something other than just the joy of a hobby then that’s where my money is going.
Print it all is the way! You've already invested a LOT of money into them and I don't blame ya for 3d printing if your kids are into it aswell! It's bad enough keeping the habit for one person nevermind multiple! Lol
This is what I'm talking about. Got it figured out! Between 40k armies and fixing Xmas trees now with printer
As someone who kind of falls into that in between category, the only reason I still advocate for buying games workshop products is if it’s from a local Game Store. We really want to support our FLGSs, that’s honestly one of the best ways that we can build up the community and make sure that we always have more people to play with.
But that being said, if somebody buys a box of terminators but wants them to have special weapons or bits or some thing, I’ll happily print stuff for them so they can have what they want, support the store, and not have to bankrupt themselves per unit. 🤷♂️
I visited great stores, but the one from my town is managed by dickheads. They are super unfriendly with beginners or try to milk $ from them every time.
Thoughts on 3d printing and related are as follows - GW's frequent discontinuation of old figurines (Guard, Marines, Necrons, and Eldar all have 5+ models that no longer exist in range. There's also things like the tomb king's Khemrian Warsphinx) which makes 3d printing (and recasting) a way to get those models, this is also true for fear of missing out models (Anniversary & limited run models. Same goes for legends units.)
When it comes to Forgeworld's pricing & no quality control in their resin models, 3d prints & related are usually better quality. If it's better quality than the officials, at a better price point, with more care taken in its production, then yeah, go for the not-forgeworld.
There's the mono-pose problem, 3d printing break away from this. Army customization is a huge part of the hobby, one which GW seems to be running away from and 3d printing embraces. Yes you can just snip, sand, & re-glue official models but 3d printed pieces offer more customizable pieces all around.
On the "Play something cheaper/play something else" that gets brought up, ask twenty strangers if they've heard of Warhammer, you'll get yes's. Some will possibly have played / do play. Do the same with lesser known war-games and you'll normally get a lot of "Never heard of it". If the local gaming group doesn't play those other games, neither do you. Getting someone to start another hobby on top of their current one is usually a non-starter.
No GW =/= No Hobby is a garbage argument. One Page Rules and came out of the WH community due to annoyance at codex creep, rules bloat, shit balancing, and zero play-testing. The entirety of Battlefleet Gothic's table top side only exists because fans keep updating it and the models almost exclusively exist as either 3d prints or recasts. Could go into the modding community behind the dawn of war / warhammer rts's as the modding scene keeps those old games alive. Games live & die on their communities want to keep them alive, not the corporate side.
There's always the bad faith "It'll hurt GW" argument. Simply put, - No, 3d printing & related won't hurt GW, at least not in a way that matters. For those familiar with general accounting, GW operates between a 30%-40% core operational profit. To put this into perspective, in 2022 so far 136.9 million pounds sterling of their total 391.5 million pounds sterling is pure before-taxes profit. Few businesses ever come near that, in comparison the toy making monster Hasbro only gets to 15%-25% core operational profit in amazing sales years with 10% being nearer to the norm.
IP, trademark, and copyright are a rant in and of themselves. IP limbo, lost media, and profit motive hell are a dissertation in itself. Anyone who does meaningful analysis of these systems tends to call them something along the lines of "A hot pustule infested nurgle vomit morass encrusted in whatever crawled out of its grotesque coupling with a troop of slaaneshi daemonette's" - If GW had to work with the original intellectual property, trademark, and copyright laws 40k would have entered public domain in the early 2000's. Instead we get the WTO's application of Disney's "Mickey Mouse Laws" (90 years + the death of the author for copyright & trademark's perpetual 10 year renewal fee) in first world countries.
Generally speaking, 3d printing provides services that GW fails to & allows access into a hobby that wouldn't exist otherwise.
Excellent read brother thanks for your well thought out and clear comment
This is the way. Informative and insightful.
@@battlebrothersam Been faffing about with Warhammer/GW IP's since 5'th ed (Necrons & tomb kings.) Have had a lot of time to think over GW's behaviors & the way GW treats its users.
Love the lore, setting, stories, and factions. People who love the setting write, do art, and make things that expand/make it more interesting. That doesn't excuse GW for being litigious & anti-consumer/anti-user-base focused for decades. GW eating crow, while unlikely (GW's increasing partnerships with Hasbro is not helping), is long overdue.
Lack of product availability is exactly what I was going to write about (but decided against.) Battletech doesn't yet have plastic models of any of their vehicles. They have metal models, based on classic art, available from a company that has one location in Cincinnati. The price for a box of mechs, is about the price of a single plane from that company. No one's really gonna gripe if you print BT vehicles, because they just aren't available to access for some.
@@CommandantLennon Yup. >: poor poor little Eyleuka, its metal cast leaves a lot to be desired.
There's the lost/unseen mechs *and the perpetual mess with harmony gold.*
BT really gets stiffed on a ton of things.
"Pay $175 for the Knight Castellan! Then pay $625 for the Warhound!"
"Lol, lmao"
I fall under the mentality that I am cheap. If I were to have a 100% GW army, it would be all used, repainted, second hand models from eBay. That means that the models that I would be potentially buying, would already have been purchased, which means that GW would have lost out on a total of $0 but also would have made no money off of me anyway. So what difference does it make if I print my own army from STL files. GW isn't losing out on anything, because I wouldn't have purchased directly from them in the first place. It would be interesting to see if these "high and mighty" supporters of GW support buying used models, as you aren't technically supporting GW at all doing that.
Oh I'm sure they would find a way of justifying how it helped GW 😂😂😂
Honestly your viewpoint reminds me of my response when people talk about bringing printed armies to FLGS. they'll say how we aren't supporting the store...but if my army was 100% bought off Ebay, where's the difference to the store?
That being said I do say if people bring those armies to a store to play, support in other ways (paint, basing material, board games, etc...)
@@demon1103 yep. Even the hobby "peripherals" add up fast and most game shops will also be making money off other big games like MTG and random board games for the people who like cycling through those. A few lost warhammer sales here and there isn't the end of the world.
@@demon1103 yea, I recast and slowly making the shit for 3d printing and I primarily buy from my LGS instead of the Warhammer store when I can to help them out.
I play Orks, and at this point I'm not allowed to buy any new ork vehicles. This all started with my looted Basilisk and the Battlewagon I built from the land raider I won in the first 40k tournament I ever played in. I own 3 old 2nd edition trukks I only pull out against people I don't like, and one of the newer Trukks.
Any vehicle I add to my army from now on needs to be visibly looted from another vehicle. My last purchase was a used Tau devilfish, for $13, that I'm hoping to convert into a Chinork. I also have 2 rhinos, one assembled and one new in box, that I'm planning to turn into Trukks. I might actually take apart my newer Trukk for bits and try to get three or four Trukks out of it.
Oh, and I'm in the middle for 3D printing. If you want to play at a store, especially a loyalist store, you have to restrict yourself to printing bits. Of course, if they can't tell that half your minis are 3d printed, then just never admit it. If you mostly play casually at peoples houses, or in a more tolerant store, do what you want. The biggest thing I love about my 3d printer is the larger scale display models, my brother just recently printed us each a 72mm fighting pose Tifa
Your channel is one of the main reasons I started to look into 3d printing.
Thanks brother
Currently i’m in-between, not because I refuse to print full models, i just feel that the injection molded versions are smoother and have better detail. I print all the bits I need to further customize, plus terrain of course. If i ever get some amazing printer that’s fast and produces identical duplicates then i would give it a go.
It's your hobby you do it how you want don't let anyone tell you different
I recommend the Elegoo Mars Pro, it prints super smooth
You're wrong about the detail aspect. I have multiple different STL files that are far superior to GW 3D sculpts. It's really down to the artist.
@@WardenOfTerra just because you have stl files that are supperior to GWs sculpts does not mean your printer can actually make it, spoiler it cant, i have files that are better quality, but that does not mean my CNC machine can make those, spoiler the only way i get to GW levels is by using a CNC machine, and even then you need to know what you are doing and have a good one.
i have printed alot, including a 1.5 kg resin porphyrion. the quality is not the same, and to even get anywhere near, you need a good printer with very low layer height (0,022 around there)
0,022 is still pretty big in the CNC machining world.
printer quality is just worse, and cant do details in the same way plastic sculpts do, this is especially true for GWs new AOS and 40k sculpts, which are extremely high quality.
To me that’s the same as gaming piracy. Who prints/ pirate games will not be buying the OG stuff now (due to money, interest, any reason actually)…Hell actually this can even bring someone to the hobby and official stuff in the future.
I've had a few people say they got started on the hobby through 3d printing and ended up buying some of the starter boxes etc.
To me its capitalism. It isnt ripping off Scifi as that is a concept.
@@battlebrothersam I know many people who started out with GW products and ended up with 3d printed products for various reasons. But in any case, they remained in the hobby. Without 3D printing, they wouldn't be doing it.
Honestly, the solution is probably the same as in gaming as well: it's a service problem.
The best way to get people to buy your product over "pirating it" is to provide something you can't get otherwise. I think in the past this was price, and more recently it was quality, but if I wanted to dip my toes into the Warhammer TTG today, I'd probably come out a lot cheaper and almost as good getting a printer and making them myself than buying 2k points of models from the store.
I would feel worse about people 3d printing models if GW wasn't the scummiest, greediest, mots entitled and just flat out antagonistic company around. Like seriously, I don't care and its their fault entirely.
Here is a hobby scenario:
Who is supporting the hobby and economy more?
Person A: They buy GW rule books, GW models, GW paints, GW brushes, GW glues, GW magazine, GW plus.
Person B: They buy an Elegoo printer, Anycubic Resin, Monument paints, Tamiya glue, W&N brushes, WarVault rule books, and various MyMiniFactory and Patreon creators models.
Who is really better for the hobby?
The person who gives all their money to one company, or the one who spreads their money around to those truly deserving of it?
Excellent point! Because of the amount of money you save 3d printing you can afford to be able to buy more supplies per month and from multiple different sources
Meh. Principle vs law. Law wins.
I own a 3d Printer. The focus is on the vendor to ensure what they sell me is legal. As an end user I can still be convicted for piracy if there is clear knowledge and intent.
Doesn't matter who supports what or how fair you think it is. Law is Law.
@@The_Gryph so far I haven't had a lawyer from GW sending me DMCAs for recasting nor any police raiding my house for illegal minis. Over all on an individual level, for me, all this "hurts" is GW even though I probably would have stopped buying years ago but I buy now to recast. But with recession and cost of living going up I can't even justify the cost of recasting anymore. So now 3d printing is a superior alternative for me, cheap or even free stls printed at the same price but better quality than my recasts.
ok, but what if they buy GW models and rules, tamiya glue, artis opus brushes, vallejo / army painter wet pallete/paint.
This all goes towards further creation of new stuff for the hobby
paying a bunch of patreon content creators or other people who have a 3d scanner who just buy an official model, scan it, and sell the file, is not hard work or adding anything, its taking something, scanning it, and uploading it. its pisseasy to do, and its piracy.
elegoo doesent add anything to the hobby, anycubic doesent either, giving money to them wont pay the designers for what you print, it wont pay for the rules, it wont pay for the lore, or the tv shows, or whatnot. if all you care about is getting a cheap model without supporting anything that was required for that model, then do it, but dont try to morally justify it.
Tamiya isent making all their money off glue, they make it off the model kits, if you print all of their model kits, they go banktrupt, and now someone has to design a kit for you, because tamiya isent doing it, and GW isent doing it either if you arent supporting them. you also arent buying tamiya glue or GW glue if you are 3d printing, plastic glue does not work on resin, you buy superglue or for bigger models stuff like JB weld, and brass rods, otherwise your warhound titan is gonna shatter.
0 money, goes to GW / tamiya and other model makers if you 3d print the models from someone, bought superglue and army painter paint to assemble / glue it and artis opus brushes.
at no point here have a single cent gone to anyone who provides a hobby product, except armypainter who makes accesories and paint and artis opus who does the same, the rest was pirated.
This also means the people making the rules you use to play, the models you like so much, the lore, the background, the setting, the tv shows, all that, dont earn anything.
I could clearly see the ladders when the model was painted or covered with just the first coat of paint.
And on the finished model, I no longer see them, even if I look closely.
Magic.
Haha yes maybe i should have linked part 1 where I explain how badly I messed up building this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@battlebrothersam is it video from 31 of May?
@@rina-ehre that's the one!
@@battlebrothersam at the end, your painting technique solved all issues.
@@rina-ehre thanks!
Gotta respect a Northern Irish lad that fits in the word "now" as much as possible in a video.
Now I don't even realise I do it until I go to edit, every sentence feels like it starts with now.. Now 😂😂
I'm wary of commenting on your videos as I'm very much not in the same camp as you, though I am getting in to 3D printing. But you did ask specifically in this case! It's worth mentioning that many of my friends do sit in your camp, and I do not agree with them either, but mostly just leave them to it. If my opinion is asked, I will give it and let it be. There's more to say than I've written below, but I think it get's the bulk of my opinion across.
I definitely fit in this in between category, at least mostly. I 100% support printing supplementary parts - conversion components, extra parts for terrain. But in almost all cases, the things I consider acceptable expand on an existing, purchased model. Unless I had completely 3D sculpted/modelled a complete model myself, I would never replace wholesale models in an army with 3D printed versions, irrespective of them being GW or FW in origin. I just can't see how anyone can argue this isn't IP theft? As for components in that regard, 3D modelling and a 3D printer are no different from putty and plasticard in my mind. whether you're digitally sculpting or physically, those are both fair game in my eyes.
I imagine there may come a time when 3D print files become licensed in some way, rather than solely on a trust basis. I think it's entirely possible that GW explores that one day. At which point, you'd have to ask yourself what's the right thing to do... spend £50 on a 3D asset of a Warhound or download the STLs someone made for free?
I think GW stores have every right to refuse 3D printed minis in their store or tournaments, but if a person wants to play with 3D printed stuff and the folks they're playing with don't mind, then what's the issue. Stealing 'IP' is such a grey area anyway. I belong to a couple of different hobbies and the amount of 'knock off' stuff coming out of China is enormous. This is stuff made by much bigger Western companies than GW and they can't/won't/don't, stop the companies blatantly stealing their IP. The only issue I see is a company ( GW ) that obviously stole/copied/repurposed many, many ideas, concepts and titles/names from numerous other creators and are now complaining when fulfilment of their greed is threatened. If they had bean reasonable in their pricing and availability then the buying public would never go through the trouble of making their own models.
The problem is that files are cheap are dirt cheap I found out that 3 titans cost only 3 dollars that heresy but selling overpriced plastic figures are heresy
3D printing is just fantastic in modelling, I’m not really a warhammer modeller as I’m mostly a military modeller, if I ever need items that aren’t available to purchase at a reasonable price or at my model shop I can 3D print them, I can print things from Barrels to Goliath mines, it’s so good for customising
That's so cool I really want to get into the modelling side I've dabbled with blender
I bought models from the Local GW to help out the manager because he was nice. When a kid took over after he resigned and said “Only 50-power-level games”, I left too.
A friend got me into Horus Heresy. Half the range is OOP so I started buying recast models in bulk. Would still purchase direct from FW stuff that was in stock. Found a great company that remasters models before it casts them.
Then the whole FW store put its prices up 20%. Now I only buy from FW and GW if I can’t get something anywhere else. I collect models and books for Warhammer 40,000 6/7th and Horus Heresy One.
GW can eat my ass with their prices. Resellers or eBay for me.
Do you think games Workshop should make 3d printable files?
@@battlebrothersam They should, but I don’t mind if they don’t do it.
My biggest problem with 3d printing is that it can potentially require as much time as any other part of the hobby. I like that I can buy really nicely made 3d printed minis from different companies for variety in my hobbying, but going through all the work to 3d print myself isn't really in the cards. Between gaming, painting, and trying to have time for a social life, it's just too much. I do fully support 3d printing though, I have a feeling that it's the future of the industry as a whole, there will be molded plastic minis and then 3d printed minis at one point. Old molded resin will become a thing of the past and then we'll potentially have even more loads of options which is great
I really don't care if you 3d print or not, but if the local shop asks you to refrain from bringing printed models, just do as they say. I am tired of hearing people argue with the owner over their printed models.
I have 4 full armies of official models, and 2 more of printed models, and my official armies now have some printed bits or special weapons. When GW doesn't include enough special weapons in a kit to use a legal option, 3d printing picks up the slack. Or if two models are basically the same with slight differences, the 3d printer comes out to make conversion parts. (think rhino to predator)
Excellent use case of 3d printing right here
Hey, I don’t know how much success I’ll have, but I’m planning on building an imperial knight with popsicle sticks, construction paper, and cardboard.
Gotta stay on that poorhammer grindset.
Sounds more than doable brother!
For me the lower price stuff is what I don’t print, but I am considering printing forgeworld stuff. For obvious reasons
Yeah when they have a huge markup on terrible quality controlled resin it's easy to justify a 3d printer
I started back in the hobby just over 1 year ago having taken 25 years off!! I'm finding that I get bored very quickly and want to try so many things in warhammer (mainly painting) and love the freedom 3d printing gives me to try new paint schemes and techniques (osl, blending, airbrushing) on models I wouldn't normally buy.
That's what I found after being away for a decade lol
Honestly you hobby how you want and I'll hobby the way I want. As long as we throw dice at the end of the day who really cares. GW will still make money no matter what.
Well said
I sit in the 3d printing spectrum at: "oh shit, my printer is broken and i don´t have the money to replace him"
I started in the hobby around a year ago with the special edition black templars combat patrol (the one with the codex and the cool art), bought a pack of custodians and one of those really customizable sororitas sets. I do see the point against 3d printing because I believe in supporting the hard working people behind gw, but I also see how 3d printing overall ads for a better community, opening the hobby to more people, making it better for those who are already in, and I believe there might be a balance, where you can support gw via buying the books and some of your figures, but getting some other stuff you wouldn't otherwise pay gw for. For example, a Warlord titan is pretty much unattainable for me, I wouldn't buy it even if I had the money, but I'm about to get a 3d printer to get myself an Imperator Titan (that doesn't even exist in any official way)
I lean both ways, especially when you have units that can all take combi meltas and storm shields, but when a SINGLE box has maybe 2 each and you have a unit of 10... I dont want to have to buy 5 more boxes just to have a loadout that may or may not be illegal next edition when everything comes out.
Man,you nailed it with that entire opening segment. Aaand, subscribed
Thanks!
The only thing keeping me from having a 100 percent printed army is just that my local game store doesn't allow 3d printed armies.
Let’s not forget They keep making everything last chance to buy, Like hell.. they recently stopped producing ages defence lines. That was like the best generalist terrain anybody can use. Couple points and you get a cover save
Constant limited releases...that doesn't exist with 3d printing 😁
how do you get your prints to look so good on your saturn
I light 7 candles for nurgle and pray to the omnissah 😂😂 I just use the stock settings for abs like resin 0.05 layer height 3 sec exposure 40mm lift speed
I have a small resin printer and gotta say printing big stuff is better than printing small it’s gonna take long but it’s amazing when it’s finished
I do like printing off knight size and bigger
Just found this channel and am super happy with the content. I don't have a printer yet but am starting to look and would print anything and everything GW makes. They have gotten so much of my money by now its like they owe me.
Thanks brother! That's how I felt as well.
As long as GW charges money for the rules, I have no worries about printed minis on the table. I have playable forces from before I had a printer, so I mostly print for customisation. So many talented people provide awesome sculpts!
However I don’t print named character models and I would rather not play against them, simply for ease of recognition. My opponent should be able to easily identify what he‘s up against and that is especially important where special characters are involved, imo.
I don’t care about ‚sti it to GW‘, though. I‘d probably buy STLs from them, if they sold them. 3D printing is just a fun hobby of its own.
What about a stl of captain Titus from space marine game? I prefer my print of him to the other captains I've seen
@@battlebrothersam I‘m not up to date on current space marines, is he a named character now? If so, I‘d prefer to use the official model. Using him as a generic captain? Perfectly fine, just make sure his gear fits. With printed models wysiwyg is even more important, imo.
Seeing old kits that used to go for under 20€ go to over 50€ whilst still being the same exact kit in an uglier box makes me seethe. Even if i should never get a printer; go 3D printing!
That's ridiculous!
You should pay for all the reasonably priced products GW has to offer. That said, waiting for that Day can be pretty boring so i'll be Printing and Painting in the meantime.
Yes OPR vids please. Can't hurt to sprinkle them into the MIx.
You're Welcome!
Thanks brother Jo! 😁 I think that day will take a lifetime to come, don't you? 😂😂
@Battle Brother Sam It will take the Lifetime of all the Whales 😅
GW could make 3D printing extremely profitable for them if they made something akin to Hero Forge and sold the STLs as well as a 3D printing service of their own - collect in store or have delivered. Or if they sold digital models alongside their kits, or if they had a subscription service where every month you got a printable figure and some other stuff to build an army. There are so many ways they could go about monetizing it. They'd still make money from selling physical models, and paints and rule books and all that stuff so it's an opportunity that they should be grasping.
Any tips for finding communities for 40k 3d printing?
R/printedwarhammer subreddit or my discord 😁
@@battlebrothersam Where can I find your discord?
@@battlebrothersam Also do you know any terms for orks?
It's linked to my patreon, link in the description. Orks should be found by just typing ork, the best creators are geargutz, blue sky minis and black crag
The fact that I can basically find all the files for a 2,000 point necron army for about the same price as a singular GW character ($35ish) is the big reason why I’d prefer 3d printing over just buying GW. Will I still buy from GW? Sure I literally just ordered some necromunda stuff.
I print because I can get exactly what I want. Before this I would create molds from parts to upgrade my models.
Oh nice! Like a bootleg recasting?
@@battlebrothersam not really, I designed custom legs for my battlesuits from various bits and greenstuff then made a mold of them. Modding up 20 would have taken forever and none would have matched. Making a mold was less effort and they all matched.
I 3d print bits and make other units with the remaining bits from what i bought.
If anything i think GW can do what lyft/uber does. Start a app store and a creator app where people who make models at home can design their own and sell aslong GW approves it can take 10% of the sale. I can see that as away people can afford to build a army and just buy the book at the store.
I do have a problem with the codex being 55 dollars yet they decide to "update" them, to me feels like wasting money on something they didnt play test to be balanced.
The codex scam is my biggest annoyance yet people defend their logic...
@@battlebrothersam yeah not sure how they can defend that. Hopefully GW make positive changes.
Thanks for the shout out Sam!!
Remember folks this community/hobby is more than just a customer base. It's bigger then that!
No worries brother!
I would 3D print everything, but I have addiction and impulse control issues, and spending money makes my brain go brrrrr
I do too... Its... A battle internally lol
There's also people like me that are like "ooh, a fully GW force that's well painted and fun to play against - that's awesome!" and conversely: "ooh, it's a fully 3D-printed unofficial proxy force that's well-presented and fun to play against - that's awesome!". I'm just here for the hobby.
It is a morale imperative to not give gw money
I can relate to so much of this! I’m exactly like you. I started Warhammer back in the god ole days (early 2000’s) it’s always been something I’ve turned too when things are hard or when I need a break. Lately I’ve been priced out the game (this is coming from a full time music teacher) since I started 3D printing I am now back in the game and BETTER THAN EVER. I’ve never had access to SO MANY MODELS. Not only GW style but all the others too. Plus the options for customisation within 3d software is insane.
To comment more on the “they’re not as good quality as GW” comment. I have proof it’s not true. I went on holiday recently to a friend who has a really active GW scene at his store… and I decided to experiment and take my own set of printed (direct copies…. Naughty i know) marines for some “painting advice” not a single person in the store could tell the difference at all. It was only once I pointed it out, they knew. So that proves that!
Please keep up the content. I love your work. Please do a “make, build and paint” set of videos with various models and armies. It’s interesting to see you work/support them in lychee and then your process for cleaning and painting. It’s like 3D printers perfect viewing! Even if it is a little rinse and repeat! (Literally) thank you!
My main issue with Forgeworld especially with their Death Korps line up is that they’ve gutted a good deal of units or have never made certain units like marksman. So 3D printing is a-ok in my books, cause if the official sources won’t make it you should make it.
I live in Australia and with the massive mark up GW puts on the aud market means I’m more then happy to 3D print proxy’s
To necrons!? Now you deserve a place in my heart
I’m legally blind and chronically ill. I don’t see any way to get into this hobby without my future 3d printer if I can even ever afford that.
I used to be an "in-betweener", but with how much GW has jacked up its prices over the years, I honestly can't blame anyone anymore for 3D printing or buying from recasters.
I 3d print some accessories, heads and extra stuff, rarely whole figures. But I do not think doing so is "sin", i just find it way more convenient to buy most kits rather than 3d print all. I have got better at it, and rarely fail prints anymore, but I still think it will take a longer time than most people do for 3d printing to get to the level of the injection plastic kits we buy. Not to mention injection plastic is incredibly easy to convert. Resin a lot less so, and plastic used by 3d printers is of a different quality as well. A thing like aTitan, though, I would never buy. It would be 3d print for me. Largest kit I'd buy is probably something knight sized. Anything bigger > 3d print.
Any recommendations on a 3d printer? There's so damn many but looks like the Elegoo Saturn 2 is pretty up there in quality. Thanks.
Saturn 2 is probably best in class at the moment
I like 3d printing for a lot of stuff, especially terrain and stuff. I like getting plastic minis that I have to assemble as that's part of the hobby I like, but there's nothing wrong with 3d printing them whole either, especially with GW raising their prices in the midst of a global recession starting
Yeah I already spent alot on gw stuff , and I've realized that it isn't the right thing for me , I think sometimes the pose of a marine isn't right so it's better to print the parts . I love what I get out of my printer and I haven't really printed anything from gw , but marvel crisis protocol, which I had that warhound lol
The warhound is a nice model to sit on the shelf and gather dust 😂😂
@@battlebrothersam That's nearly all of my minis....and I'm collecting 10+ armies XD.
My stance? 3d printer go brrrrrrr.
You’re spot on, 3d printing is the future and GWs market strategy to take hugely overpriced products are back firing. They have to adapt sooner or later. The quality of 3d prints are getting better by the day. The more money GWs tries to make the more people turn towards printing. They should do the other way around, lower the prices and kill off the urge for people to go over to printing. Sure there will always be printing but if the price was much lower on the boxes most people would prints smaller bits and so on.
I know a lot pf people who only 3d print the add on bits and FW. Most of them all say for the simple reason that there isn't any resin that's as solid and easy to deal with as GW plastic.
Each to their own, after building abaddon I can honestly say I'm the opposite I prefer building resin models than gw plastic lol
Can't find the files for the warhound anywhere,mad to print it out for a surprise for my son, great video, keep up the great work
3D printing actually got me into Warhammer. If it wasn't for that then I'd of never have bought my first GW Combat Patrol box, or the 20 other GW boxes I've bought. To me they go together like PB&J
I use so many custom bits that I might as well just 3d print everything. Usually I use 3rd party design proxies, but some 40k factions are too distinct that 3rd party designs just don't work. and so it gets into my murky ethical issue.
That's partially why I've been doing mostly Old World because GW didn't update the models at all so I have been 3d printing Highland Miniatures which are perfect modernized designs.
I've always agreed with the valve approach that if someone is pirating the product there's something wrong with how there selling the product.
I do dnd and i print my stuff but have bought pieces that just looked to good to pass up. I thank table top companys could release basic miniature models for 3d printing for a reasonable price, and have exclusive models for perchance only. I thank that would be a perfect middle ground. Because not everyone wants to get into 3d printing, this would also bring more people to the hobby that cant afford hundreds of dollars for an army.
I do not even print GW models, because there are many models I like more than GW models. I just use other people sculpted models, so 100% legit and full of details, instead of ugly overprice plastic monoposes.
What paints are you using? The metallics are so smooth!
I've very recently started getting into Warhammer lore, and while at a game shop I saw some minies and thought that it would be cool to just grab one or two. I'm not really interested in playing the war game but it's just cool to have and fun to paint. That was until I saw a single tech priest was like $12 and instantly backed out
Haha they don't realise how expensive that is
i'm 100% for 3d printing anything and everything. especially bits. BUT i'm also a big advocate for "Support your local game store" ... showing up to game night with a 3d printed army is like showing up with a deck of proxy mtg cards... you don't wanna be "that guy" who uses the free game space but never spends any money there. so yeah, print and kitbash to your hearts delight, just keep in mind where ya playing. at least buy a paintpot or something.
I want to get into 40k miniatures and honestly I am either 3d printing or not getting into it at all so GW loses 0 money
What do they expect 😂 it's too much to get into for a beginner
Definitely want to see more One Page Rules content from everyone who prints. It’ll help protect you from allegations you’re printing warhammer models, too, because no, you’re not even using them for that.
I like to use 3d prints to add variety to my army. There are only so many times I can have the same set of 3 ork bikers before it gets redundant
That's a great use, even just to use different ork heads as well for the big mob of boyz
I'm on the side of both I wanna 3d print curtain things which obviously has its ups and downs ( especially considering I don't own a 3d printer yet) but I also do like buying kits so imo do what you like it's your army who cares if it's printed or not
Who cares is right brother!
In terms of the rules changes, I bought the 9th core rules, waited for my guard codex to be released and have basically said I’m not upgrading. I’m looking at arks of omen, but I get around the rules change=army needs to change by not upgrading
I am going to print bits .a am saying that unless You are trying to say to people „don’t buy official models but 3D printer” then there is a problem . I am not fan of 3D printing full minis . But i am not going to burn people for doing so . But for those ho say like i mention before ...
Prepare the stake brother !
I don’t think 3D printing is for me, I hear it’s a hobby in and of itself. I think the codex example you mentioned is 100% valid. I think I’d only pick up 3rd party bits if I wanted to do something really drastic with my minis. I did just recently realize that I don’t really get a chance to play that often and have only really played a handful of games in my 4 years in the hobby. So I transitioned from a gamer to a builder and painter. I’m not gonna disparage anyone who does print but again, it’s not for me.
Having 3d Print of titans ( not the knight class ) is a positive to have. I mean dayum heck no I'm not paying that amount from Forge world.
But plus have custom bits for models is open for custom armies
My warhound cost $60 vs what $500?
@@battlebrothersam almost $650 ( body ) and $77 each weapon arm for world wide currency
Given the fact that gw and forgeworld have stupendous prices, for example like the sokar stormbird which is 1250 euros, i say go for 3D printing all day, everyday
I don’t think we should print scans of ip belonging to others. That said, if a creator has the skills to model a replica suitable for printing, i can’t find an issue with that.
GW is missing the boat. They could charge a small royalty to creators for officially licensed products, and I’d pay it.
Even better, they could sell their stls.
I agree pirating a businesses work just harms everyone
That would be the win win
I live in a country that James Worshop does not support. Its actually cheaper to buy a 3d printer with resin and stuff then import a combat patrol box.
Thats ridiculous! Glad you are apart of the printing community brother
@@battlebrothersam im not a part of the community yet, but a rooting for it.
I love the products GW make, but the price is crazy. I would probably buy a lot more if I wasn't looking at over £20 for some individual minis. I understand that they price them in a way that makes armies balanced so playing an army with a larger number of models doesn't cost significantly more, but I can't help comparing that price with the plastic it's made from.
I don't have any issue with 3D printing. Especially when the models you're printing are original works. GW is a multi-billion pound company, and they still make money from the 3D printer fans from their books, paints, and accessories. There's also mini-agnostic games such as Frostgrave/Stargrave who do fine without the need to sell first-party minis at insane markups.
Lastly, 3D printing means you're directly supporting artists who make a living from these. I'd much rather see a whole range of amazing model makers selling through MMF, Patreon, etc and the money going directly to them, than huge companies like GW making insane amounts of money.
3D printing bits, discontinued models/parts, or unique sculpts for your own kitbashing, is always 100% acceptable, and people saying otherwise are just plain wrong. It's not really different in that regard than using green stuff to sculpt whatever to add to your models. Or, if it's discontinued, 3D printing deprives the IP owner of no sale since, well, there isn't a sale to be made!
If you're looking at 3D printing readily available and reasonably priced stuff, I'm far less accepting of that on the grounds that, yeah, they do need to get paid for their effort in making these things. We don't live in a post scarcity society yet, so we gotta do what we gotta do to get food on the table, rents paid, and enjoy some other stuff. It's all about availability and pricing.
Do you think games Workshop should make 3d printable files?
@@battlebrothersam 100%! It'd certainly make the fans happier, it'd make kitbashing more interesting, and they'd definitely be ahead of the game overall. There's not a lot of good reason to not do it.
I'm limited to filament printing, printing profiles still need work
I've seen excellent prints from well calibrated fdm printers
@@battlebrothersam well, yeah, in sure there can be but i havent reached that sweet spot yet
For me 3D printing lies somewhere in the middle. I don't mind buying boxes at 60$ as long as i feel like i get a decent amount of figures. However 3 Blade Guard/Aggressors/Eradicators for 60$ is just insane. 20$ per mini is not something i can commit to financially, at least not when they are the size they are and you might need to bring anywhere from 3-12 of them. Same thing for Forge World. Fuck that, GW have shown they can make a better version in plastic (Levithan, Contemptor etc) for less price than the coinflip quality of Forge World models.
They are capable of making everything plastic but why would they when they can get people to pay forgeworld prices
Ive not been able to afford GW models for quite some time now due to priorities in life but I fully support 3d Printing the hobby. Still yet to get a resin printer but when I can afford one ill be printing models to paint and play with that will enable me to continue the hobby without forcing me into bankruptcy over severely marked up models.
At this stage GW needs to embrace and release 3d models and maybe release cheaper STL files for those who want to print, its at the point where they adapt or they will start to go under completely .
Definitely want go get into 3d Printing though for particular terrain pieces I want (Like tank wrecks), models I want (trucks and the Malcador), and such.
I play guard and kind of enjoy the army I made and the stories and lore I made up for it and I want that reflected with the models and terrain. Stuff that is hard to achieve with GW stuff either because it's inaccessible or expensive.
Malcadors are a very cool tank model and it is something I absolutely will one day try to 3d print. I'm not paying the price for a Malcador, but Definitely would pay Malcador prices or more to get a printer to have the Malcador.
Warhammer is a fun hobby and even if it means being barred from tournaments I don't particularly care. Games are made to be played and have fun and make friends. Or in Warhammer's case fight great battles, make friends and krumpin buddies, and show off your art skills and creativity. GW cannot stop us from having fun and having cool models.
Printing forgeworld models is one of the big benefits of 3d printers! Makes the models actually worth it
I like a good balance, I've got some fancy gw characters that are official but I also have some goofy vehicles or squads that are fully 3d printed I love a good plastic kit but also love a great 3d model!
I think everyone should adapt this half half mentality
I use 3D printed pieces to upgrade my Units. Like My Black templars I use 3d printed bodies or helmets, shoulder pieces so they can actually look more like black templars. That being said I buy the units from GW and use the upgraded pieces to make them look cooler
Best part about 3d printing is no mold lines or sprue tags that need to be scraped off. Would be nice is gw sold stls of their old and out of print models. Would give people what they wanted without getting in the way of new plastic stuff.
That would be an excellent way for them to branch into 3d printing
I'm a former BattleTech player who wants to get back into the game, but I can't afford to shell out huge amounts of money for a full Galaxy of Clan Omnimechs (over 120 mechs, plus Elemental infantry, support vehicles, and AeroSpace Fighters) as much as I'd love to pay for legit models, even if I could find all the designs I want, such as some of the old "Unseen" mechs (the ones that FASA thought they had the rights to, but ran afoul of the assh*les at Harmony Gold and their ambulance-chasing lawyers) or the designs they have yet to release minis for. For me, picking up a 3D printer and a few spools of filament is the way to go because I can afford that, although if I had my choice, I'd happily pay a few US$ to Catalyst Games for "legal" STL files rather than bootleg them, because people are going to 3D print minis whether companies like GW or WotC accept it or not, and it's better for them to offer a choice of the legit STL file for those who want to print their own AND injection-molded official releases so that those who want to buy minis from their original creators can do so.
It wouldn't be that big of a threat to sales if they just dropped the prices of the kits. It's unpainted plastic.
Now, I don't own a 3D printer, so I do not personally have a stake in this, but I think 3D printing is fine. And as you have pointed out, there are multiple layers to this.
Printing some bits and bases, whilst most of the model is still made by GW is 100% okay, and honestly, IMO should be permitted at GW official events. This whole thing with banning 3d prints at their tournaments is way too harsh. Having custom bits on your models feels so good, it really makes your dudes feel unique.
What I can understand being banned is entire models being 3d printed. GW is a miniature company and this means a loss for them, however there is a caveat to this and that is outdated models no longer in production.
Those models should be, again in my own opinion, made available for purchase at an official STL store. That way GW could still have profit without having to bear the loss that comes from making, distributing etc. As it stands now, GW makes nothing from these models and actually loses more by not doing this.
Now, I would probably be fine with having a printed army, and yet most of my models are official GW stuff. Why? Because honestly, the 3D printing still has its flaws. The resin is brittle for example, leading to bits just snapping. Also prints cannot compete with official level of detail, unless you get one of the really high end printers. So, while having some printed models, I still prefer my plastic crack made officially.
Gw are really just missing the boat with 3d printing but they are large enough to not care about it
I don’t 3D print; but I want to. HOWEVER; I have purchased recast. My rules were that if I can get the model at my FLGS, I will. If I cant, I’ll just buy it recast. This meant OOP, Forgeworld, or online orders only. However, now I mainly just buy used models, and the longer I’m in the hobby the more I want to buy a 3D printer and just print everything.
As you mentioned in your video, times are tough right now, but I’ve made a good chunk of money doing commissions. 3d printing would allow me to up my customizing/basing game and allow me to charge for a more premium service.
But I’m at the point now where I would 3D print an army because I don’t play in GW stores and I only play with friends who wouldn’t care anyway. I’m also 98% a painter, and only play 1-2% of the time :p
I loved 40k I collected armies as a kid. I never played the game though, but i fell out with collecting models due to the price. I bought a printer for complete seperate reasons, ended up printing a 40k tank and boom, i was hooked. Now i buy all the paints and codex's from GW. If i never bought a printer, they would never have made a penny from me!
I only print vehicles, mostly boxy imperial stuff since i use the really nice fdm printer the library has. So square shapes have less trouble with print lines.
I don't have my own house or spare room, so i cannot set aside a safe place to work with resin, and i never want my cat to cone into contact with that stuff.
Most of the time if i really want something il look for a recast. Unless warping will make it a pain to assemble, like a mastodon tank. Then il just use the trusty fdm printer.
Sam thank you for being a voice of reason and standing up for us simple folk. I’ve been after a warhound for forever. Any chance you can share the source of the stl? It would make my millennia
The issue to me is that the prices of GW actually support the huge overhead they have that keeps the juggernaut rolling. They have the teams writing the narrative, writers pumping out multiple novels a week, the artist that make the cover art, the list goes on… Not least of which is the physical cost of running the brick and motor store fronts where people go to paint and play. All the while, week after week we get new models rolled out to the four corners of the world. Yes, how is expensive. But there’s serious business costs the average person is missing.
I’m all for 3D printing. Have one, print models I love from amazing artist… but don’t forget that GW is the source of the hobby. If you reduce their income sufficiently, which is mainly derived from model sales, the rest of the business generating the games/characters and stories we love will slow.
With the forge world part I say it’s can be wrong if your making models that are currently being sold but I believe it’s okay if it’s a retired model that has no plans to return and a good example would be the Tau orca a retired tau drop ship from forge world
I didn't even realise the orca was retired! Ive had the file for it for a while now lol
@@battlebrothersam idk when it got taken down but only way to get one now is to get STL’s online or buy one at an exorbitant rate, so I say it free game when it comes to 3D printing
Is that resin or FDM as I own an fdm printer and have tried a warhound but it doesn’t have good results so I wondering if it was FDM to see what settings you used